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Speaker 1: I'll good a. Welcome to another installment the You Project,

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Speaker 1: Craig Anthony Harper. This today is different. Today is a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a different angle episode. This lady's never

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Speaker 1: done a podcast. In fact, there's probably a fair assumption,

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Speaker 1: Lily Sarah Ricta, that you may only do in your

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Speaker 1: life one podcast, and this might be it. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that's a fair assumption.

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Speaker 2: It is a very fair assumption. But you never know,

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Speaker 2: Craig Harper, I might just be loved after doing this podcast,

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Speaker 2: so I may want to do more podcasts after this.

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Speaker 2: Who knows.

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Speaker 1: This could I mean, you could overtake me by the

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Speaker 1: middle of the year, and then they'll be saying, Craig,

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Speaker 1: who fuck him. Let's listen to Lily. You might have

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Speaker 1: your own show very soon.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to that old duck Lily.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, let's do that. Let's have I mean, the

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Speaker 1: world needs more, Lily. So thank you for doing this,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. How do you feel? Are

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Speaker 1: you okay? Are you good?

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Speaker 2: I am really good. Yes. Not sure what we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about, but I am really good. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Have you taken a sedative or anything, or perhaps the opposite,

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Speaker 1: some kind of stimulant.

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Speaker 2: No stimulant, no sedative. It's raw and real me on

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Speaker 2: the other side of this microphone.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's twelve fifty three in Melbourne, it's Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: I am just in case you're detecting and everyone, it's

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Speaker 1: a good thing. This is virtual and where you're not

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Speaker 1: sitting in front of me because I'm I'm chock a

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Speaker 1: block full of snot You're welcome. So let's make it

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Speaker 1: about me for a moment. Little. I woke up this

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Speaker 1: morning at three My teeth hurt, my face hurt, like

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Speaker 1: I don't get sinus stuff, but I think I did

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Speaker 1: have sinus stuff, and so I got up at three fifteen,

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Speaker 1: took a pana doole. I don't really take panadole, and

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Speaker 1: then I had a hot.

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Speaker 2: Shower like three fifteen morning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like a big baby that I am.

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Speaker 1: And then I went back to bed. I couldn't sleep

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Speaker 1: because my entire nose was blocked, and I'm when I sleep,

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Speaker 1: nobody needs all of this, but fuck it. When I sleep,

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Speaker 1: I slept. I breathe through my nose, not my mouth,

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Speaker 1: and so it was just I couldn't sleep. I reckon

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Speaker 1: I had sixty minutes sleep. I got up at four

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Speaker 1: o'clock and I was meant to meet my mate at

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Speaker 1: the gym, not at the gym, at the cafe, n Vincent.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Vincent and now I walked for about

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Speaker 1: an hour and a half, got to the gym, the

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Speaker 1: fucking gym, the cafe, and hung out with him for

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Speaker 1: a while. Clearly my cognitive function has dropped. But after

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Speaker 1: one hour of sleep and a lot of snots and

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Speaker 1: a sore head, I don't know why I feel so good,

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Speaker 1: but I still feel pretty good.

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Speaker 2: You're pumped and excited about talking to me. That's why

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Speaker 2: you're feeling so good. By the way you know, by

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Speaker 2: the way you know all this lingo, is it all

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Speaker 2: due to you? I never used to speak like this.

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Speaker 2: I was a prim and proper lady, but I'm no

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Speaker 2: longer a prim and proper lady. The conversation, the retric

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Speaker 2: it's all you.

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Speaker 1: That is that is funny, all right? So why don't

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Speaker 1: you tell people? Now? The reason, part of the reason

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Speaker 1: that I'm doing this is just I mean, this could

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Speaker 1: be dogshit. I said to Lil Wow, if we have

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Speaker 1: a good time, we'll put it up. If we don't,

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Speaker 1: we won't, but I wanted to talk to you because

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Speaker 1: I feel like you and I are a little bit

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Speaker 1: the same in that you probably disagree, so I feel

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Speaker 1: free to disagree, but like neither of And this is

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Speaker 1: not me throwing you under the bus. And we've already

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Speaker 1: I've already cleared this with you. But neither you or

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Speaker 1: I were particularly particularly genetically gifted, you know, neither of us.

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Speaker 1: You're kind of almost the female version of me. It's

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Speaker 1: like you were never a super athlete like me. Correct

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Speaker 1: were decent human beings, though, So tell people when you

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Speaker 1: came into my orbit and how that happened, and maybe yeah,

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Speaker 1: what year was that, What was that like? And what

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Speaker 1: was happening as much or as little as you want

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Speaker 1: to tell us, of course, with your body, your health,

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Speaker 1: and what was what was it like coming to Harpers

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Speaker 1: Harper's was my gym, my very uncreatively named Jim. Give

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Speaker 1: us that story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it was around nineteen ninety seven, a long

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Speaker 2: time ago, that a girlfriend of mine suggested I go

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Speaker 2: and do some personal training. So yeah, I thought, why not,

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Speaker 2: and it's time to look after myself and get healthy.

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Speaker 2: So I went along with my girlfriend to Harper's in

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Speaker 2: but I knew that it was something I really wanted

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Speaker 2: was something that I was definitely committed to doing. So

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Speaker 2: long story short, I met Craig Harper and he introduced

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Speaker 2: me into the world of wellbeing. He introduced me into

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Speaker 2: the world of getting fit. Yeah, strength training, exercise, and

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Speaker 2: I fell for it. I felt for it big time.

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Speaker 2: And after training at Harper's and training with Craig for

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Speaker 2: a number of years, the guru in the industry, that's you.

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Speaker 2: Craig said to me, lil why don't you go and

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Speaker 2: put the theory behind the prack? And I thought, yeah,

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Speaker 2: why not? So in nineteen ninety nine I went and

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Speaker 2: did the Certificate three, Certificate four course in personal training

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Speaker 2: in fitness and then the personal Training course, and twenty

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Speaker 2: five years later, I'm still personal training and loving it,

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Speaker 2: absolutely loving it. Love my work, yeah, don't see it

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Speaker 2: as work, just absolutely love being in the industry.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember what you thank you you did miss

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Speaker 1: out a few bits and pieces that I'll just bring

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Speaker 1: you back to do it. Do you remember do you

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Speaker 1: remember what you weighed when you rocked up to the gym? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: look at you, looking at me. You don't have to answer.

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Speaker 1: But here's why I wanted. I mean, I've said many

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Speaker 1: times I weighed one hundred and seventeen at my heaviest.

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Speaker 1: I've weighed seventy nine as an adult, one hundred and seventeen.

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Speaker 1: I'm about eighty four at the moment. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to ask you your current weight. I'm not that dumb,

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Speaker 1: but it's fair to say, all right, why don't you

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Speaker 1: tell me this? How much weight did you need to lose?

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Speaker 1: Perhaps when you started.

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Speaker 2: With me thirty kilosk and I lost the thirty kilos

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Speaker 1: Yes, and what for you? Because it's like it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say, right that, like a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: said to me over the years. And I'm sure you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been a trainer for over a quarter

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Speaker 1: least likely trainer of all the people that came through

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Speaker 1: my door because you in a loving, caring way. You

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Speaker 1: weren't a princess in that you were precious, but you know,

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Speaker 1: you were very very much part of your community, your

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Speaker 1: with people like me. I was like a fucking well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what, but it didn't dawn on me

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Speaker 1: until sometime later what a fucking wild man I was,

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Speaker 2: Actually, Craig, I didn't know that somebody like you actually existed.

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Speaker 2: So it was an eye opener, meaning somebody like you. You

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Speaker 2: definitely didn't dot your eyes, you definitely didn't cross your teas,

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Speaker 2: you said what you thought, and and myself and my

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Speaker 2: training partners, we all absolutely loved it. So yeah, what

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not trying to get my ties

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Speaker 1: pumped up today, everyone, I'm just trying to what was

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Speaker 1: the thing that, like, why did you stay? Because there,

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Speaker 1: you know, like with personal trainers, and you stayed for

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Speaker 1: a long time. You lost the weight, you transformed your body.

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Speaker 1: You stepped into personal training, but you know, and you

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Speaker 1: amazing shape. What what was it about? Not me, but

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Speaker 2: That the journey? That journey, Yeah, like.

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Speaker 1: What kept you doing it?

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Speaker 2: Well? First of all, Achieving results makes you want to

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Speaker 2: continue doing it. Feeling good makes you want to continue

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Speaker 2: doing it. Achieving goals you never thought you'd be able

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Speaker 2: that I could run five hundred meters, and you know,

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Speaker 2: doing the thirteen k All Women's Female Fun Run, something

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Speaker 2: I never thought I would do. So, you know, training,

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Speaker 2: exercising it was euphoric. It is euphoric no matter what

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Speaker 2: When you can't do some when you perceive yourself as

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Speaker 2: achieve it and do it makes you feel wonderful, makes

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Speaker 1: Now I'm only asking this to provide context for seventy

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Speaker 1: Seventy five percent of my followers I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I just talk about stuff that perhaps resonates more it

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Speaker 1: but I'm this old or I've got these genetics, so

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Speaker 1: we know that you're not genetically gifted as am I not.

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Speaker 1: We're both endomorphs. We both will a donut now ask

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Speaker 1: it's bigger, right both of us. How old are you

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Speaker 2: I am going to be sixty five in May.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a minute away. And what I so that's

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Speaker 1: next month now because it's April one today. What a

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying this because it's a nice

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Speaker 1: thing to say in the show Lily Sarah Richtor. But

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Speaker 1: I reckon your brain and your mind and your mental

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Speaker 1: energy and also your emotional state is as good as

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Speaker 1: it's ever been. Like I still do a little bit

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Speaker 1: of coaching with you. Full disclosure. I see little once

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Speaker 1: a week or once a fortnite, which is essentially a

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Speaker 1: coffee in at chat and I'll give it a fucking family, right.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you she's getting the deal of

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Speaker 1: a lifetime. We need to we need to review that

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Speaker 1: because fuc andell mum's got a hip operation coming up.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't really But you know what I loved was

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Speaker 1: I reckon, Now you're almost in a better place than

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Speaker 1: when I met you. When you were I don't know whatever,

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Speaker 1: you were, like thirty something years.

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Speaker 2: Old, thirty eight years old. Do you know how I

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Speaker 2: know that I was thirty eight years old? Actually you

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Speaker 2: met when I was thirty seven years old, but I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you how I know I was thirty eight years old.

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Speaker 2: So when you told me to go and suggested, not

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Speaker 2: told that I go and put the theory behind the prack,

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Speaker 2: I thought, great, I'm going to do this, and I

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Speaker 2: went and did the course. At the end of the course,

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Speaker 2: you've got to do forty hours work experience. So I thought,

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Speaker 2: given that I trained with Craig five days a week,

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Speaker 2: anything that I need to know about personal training. I

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Speaker 2: Okay. So I was training many times a week at Harper's,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so true. It's so true, and it's so true.

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Speaker 1: Was it a big psychological and emotional or tell us

432
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: a bit about and I don't necessarily mean in relation

433
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: to Craig Harper or Harper's but whatever you want to,

434
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: because you came out of a really particular, as did

435
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: many of your friends, right, Like, we had a really

436
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: big base Jewish clients for a long time, and I

437
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: was like this fucking almost like this little cult leader

438
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: for all of these people who are like Crake up

439
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: is like just this weirdo. But I don't know what

440
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: it's why it seemed to work, right, But tell me

441
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: about coming out of that. Like you used to talk

442
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: about the bubble, and I like ripped you out of

443
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: the bubble by your hair and when batten down the hatches.

444
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: Let's get into it was that psychological and emotional shift

445
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: and sociological shift out of a very kind of particular

446
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: environment and group and lifestyle. Tell us about that.

447
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: So I was brought up, yes, in quite an insular community,

448
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: and meeting the likes of you and the type of

449
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 2: people that go into a gym, I mean I never

450
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: went into a gym. Meeting people from all walks of

451
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: life was interesting, eye opening and a breath of fresh air.

452
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, it was wonderful to meet people who

453
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: weren't brought up the same way as me and to

454
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: learn again, to learn from people and to experience from people.

455
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: It brings me to an interesting story Craig. I remember

456
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: that you would encourage me to go for a run

457
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: around Colfield Park, and I was so excited when I

458
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: managed to do that two point two k's around Corfield Park,

459
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: and I would run into the gym and I would

460
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: tell you I did the two point two k's and

461
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: you'd say to me, okay, and on Friday, you're going

462
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: to do four point four k's and I would think, oh, no,

463
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: I can't do that. I mean, I just could not

464
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: do that anyway. There was no coming back into training

465
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: weights with you unless I went out and did the

466
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: four point four k So I managed the four point

467
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: four k's and I came back elated. Anyway, long story short,

468
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: every Friday for I can't even remember how long I

469
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: would be doing ten k's around Corfield Park and Sunday

470
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: eleven eleven, correct eleven case. Honestly, I don't know how

471
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: I managed to do it, but I knew if I

472
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 2: didn't do it, I didn't get to do what I

473
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: really wanted to do, and that was weight training. So

474
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: I had to do the cardio in order to get

475
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: the backsight leaner and the legs leaner. I had to

476
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: do the cardio. So I remember one day doing it

477
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: and I rang you at the end of the run,

478
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: and I was bawling. Everybody else is walking around Corfield

479
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: Park and enjoying themselves, and you're forcing me to do

480
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: five laps of Corfield Park anyway. Reality check. The next morning,

481
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: you took me to Duncan and mckinnanoble and no one

482
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: there was walking. Everybody was running. So it just highlighted

483
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: to me that what I thought was not the norm

484
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: was only not the norm in my environment, in an

485
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: environment that I, you know, was exposed to expose yourself

486
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 2: to a different environment, to a different group of people,

487
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: and you realize that your norm is just your norm.

488
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: And I also quickly realized that my ability was much

489
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: greater than what I thought it was.

490
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and what I love about you, know,

491
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: your story is that like you kind of got reprogrammed.

492
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 1: You know, you became more resilient, You became more open minded,

493
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: you became more aware, you became more educated, you became fitter, stronger, leaner, healthier,

494
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: Like you improved in so many ways, and all of

495
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: that stuff was a byproduct of you getting uncomfortable all

496
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: of it.

497
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: That's right, and being comfortable with being uncomfortable. That's another thing, right,

498
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: I mean, no one wants to be uncomfortable, but learning

499
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: to sit with discomfort and learning to appreciate that discomfort

500
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: will eventually hopefully lead to where you want to be

501
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: or where you want to go, is one of the

502
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: one of the good lessons in life.

503
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: Learned to be sorry? Sorry? Sorry? Do you think that?

504
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: How do I ask this? Like, Okay, I'm going to premise,

505
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: preface what I'm going to ask you with something that

506
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: I've So I feel like some people relate to me

507
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: more deeply than say, you know, some guru or some expert,

508
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: because I'm so fucking at rich.

509
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: Right.

510
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, yeah, but Craig you are in

511
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: the Olympics, or Craig you're a fucking genius, or Craig

512
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: you're a physiological Marvel, or Craig you know you've won

513
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: an oscar, Right, No, just an ex fat kid from

514
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: fucking Latro Valley having a crack and falling down and

515
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: fucking up and getting up. Right. So, I feel like

516
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: part of if there's any appeal to me, that's arrogant,

517
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 1: But part of the perhaps appeal is that people go, well,

518
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: if he can do it, I can do it, and

519
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: I feel like with you maybe, And by the way,

520
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your current situation and how

521
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: much work you're still doing, which is crazy, but I

522
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: feel like you've got you've got a level of credibility

523
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: that some people don't have because well, one, you've been

524
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: doing it for a very long time, you've been qualified,

525
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: and you've been at the coal face for a long time,

526
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: and you've trained fucking a million people now and you've

527
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: answered a million questions and learned a million things. But also,

528
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: as you to say to me, not my words, everyone,

529
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're just a fat chick from your or

530
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: you were just a fat chick from Corefield or whatever

531
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: like you used to say to me all the time,

532
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: which you're not now. But that that you know, that relatability. Oh,

533
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: she's not spectacular, she's not she's not genetically gifted. She

534
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: can't run a kilometer in three minutes, she's she's not

535
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: doing fifteen chins and she doesn't have abs, and you

536
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: know it's yeah, I think that. Plus also you're a

537
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: good communicator and people love being around you and all

538
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: of that. But do you think the fact that you

539
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: are kind of for one, of a better term normal regular,

540
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: that people trust you and connect with you more some people.

541
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: I think a couple of things. I think, first of all,

542
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: because I'm a work in progress all the time, I

543
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 2: think that you know that appeals to a lot of people.

544
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: And when I say a work in progress, I mean

545
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: that life deals you medical issues, health issues, time issues,

546
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: all sorts of issues that you have to navigate. And

547
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: I'm very transparent with my clients. So because you know

548
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: my clients, not that your clients are your friends, but

549
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: you spend so much time with your clients that you

550
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: tend to have this relationship, this real, honest relationship with them,

551
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: sometimes more honest than with your real friends, because they

552
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: see you on a daily basis or a twice a

553
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: week basis or three times a week basis, so they

554
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: share in your lifestyle, they share in what's going on

555
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: with you, and they know that you're constantly, like them,

556
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: working against whatever's being thrown in your path. And even

557
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: if it's not being thrown in your path, something like

558
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: just you know, time constraints, you know, an aging mother

559
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: or you know, wanting to help out with your grandchildren.

560
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: All sorts of things limit the time you have for yourself.

561
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: My clients can relate to the fact that I'm constantly

562
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: working around those not constraints, They're definitely not constraints, but

563
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: those life issues to continue doing the things that I'm doing,

564
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: so whether it be working or whether it be training.

565
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, my clients know that I get

566
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: up every day at five o'clock in the morning, five

567
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: days a week, have done since nineteen ninety nine, and

568
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: I rock up to work not because I necessarily have to,

569
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: but because I genuinely want to and I love every

570
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: opportunity that I have to work with my clients to

571
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: help them create the change that they want to create.

572
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: And not everybody wants to create the same change. So

573
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: whatever it is that they're hoping to achieve for themselves,

574
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 2: whatever it is that they wish however they want to

575
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 2: better their daily lives, I'm happy to be part of

576
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: that journey for them.

577
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

578
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: Did that answer your question?

579
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, that's good. What's

580
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: interesting about or there's a bunch of interesting things, But

581
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things is, you know, like you said,

582
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: in a minute, you're sixty five, your husband ready has

583
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 1: a good business. He's successful. Shout out to Renny who'll

584
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: listen to this, get a champ and all the boys

585
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: of course. But like you don't have to work, but

586
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: not only, not only do you choose to work, you

587
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: really want to work. And I know because we sit

588
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: together once a week. You really want to work because

589
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: you love it. I mean, I've never met anyone who

590
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: I've never met a trainer anyway who loves their job

591
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: more than you. I might have met someone or two

592
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: who love it as much. But after a quarter of

593
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: a century of training, you know, you've got three boys,

594
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: You've got a few challenges here and there with things,

595
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: just normal human things. You've got a mum who's old,

596
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: bless her. Hello, Marla, you old fucking love you know,

597
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: you've got grand.

598
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: Shit Igdores you Craig by the way, she will be

599
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: drilled at your Heartburt.

600
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: I love you, Marla, and I'm available, so I mean,

601
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, just hit me up. And you know, but

602
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: in the middle of all of that mayhem and looking

603
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: after grandkids and you know, doing a million things, you

604
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: still work full time as a trainer and also so

605
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: just to enlighten people. So for quite a few years

606
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: you and your business partner had a pet studio called

607
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: Revive Right.

608
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: I have that for two thousand and two to twenty

609
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: and twenty and the only reason we closed in twenty

610
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: and twenty is because COVID hit and we realized that

611
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: for a long time we're not going to be able

612
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: to do things the way we were comfortable doing things,

613
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: so we close the facility.

614
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: Yes, and now you have what is probably Australia's best

615
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: equipped double garage. I mean essentially you've got a small

616
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: commercial gym in your I think it might be in

617
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: a two and a half garage. Your garage is big.

618
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: You've also got an area out the back. But it's

619
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: hilarious because people have a bit of gym equipment in

620
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: their garage. Do not picture that like this. This is like,

621
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's got to be the best part

622
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: of one hundred grand worth of equipment. But it's bloody

623
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: amazing And and you don't have what to do. You

624
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: don't have you don't market, you don't for advertise, and

625
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: you're booked out, you're booked out, and you do you know,

626
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: like I spoke to you, and it's obviously we're not

627
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: going to talk about money or anything, but you train

628
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and it's fair to say that

629
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: you do okay working out of the old garage.

630
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: I do okay working out of the old garage. I

631
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: just want to say, first of all, when I decided

632
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: to relocate to home, it was very much because of

633
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: what happened because COVID broke out, But I also felt

634
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: that it could possibly end up being the place I

635
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: stay now because it's actually really comfortable for me and

636
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: it's very comfortable for my clients as well. I didn't

637
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: want to short change my clients by not having the

638
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: equipment that they were used to using when I had

639
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: a much bigger space, So I tried to make sure

640
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: that I mean, I had to consolidate. You can't put

641
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 2: everything I had in that bigger space into this space.

642
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: But I really didn't want to short change my clients.

643
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 2: I wanted to have the same, you know, the good

644
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: equipment that I've got, and also because of COVID, I

645
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: needed to create it. I needed to create an outdoor

646
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: area because there were times that we really wanted fresh air,

647
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: outdoor spaces training because we weren't allowed to work in doors.

648
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Speaker 2: And today I just love it, absolutely love it.

649
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Speaker 1: And what I love also is, you know, and I

650
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: don't take any credit for anything you've done, obviously, because

651
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: I didn't do any of it. But I'm going to

652
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: take a tiny bit of credit because I reckon one

653
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Speaker 1: thing that you learned at Harper's was how to create

654
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Speaker 1: an environment that people want to be in, or at

655
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: the very least, the importance of building a space, a culture,

656
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: a family, and energy. And I've been at your place

657
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: when people are training, and you've done it, like You've

658
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: got this little space and everyone knows everyone, and everyone talks,

659
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: and it's like it's a really nice like people look

660
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: forward to going to that place other than the workout

661
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: and the physiological benefits, but you've just built a little

662
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: almost a club that people want to be in.

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Speaker 2: I think that's true. You know, I was training a

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Speaker 2: couple of ladies this morning. One lady is in her

665
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: seventies and one has just turned forty, and there was

666
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: a lot of chatting going on, and I said to

667
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: the two ladies in here, I said, tell me something,

668
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 2: Are we achieving what we want to achieve by being

669
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: in here this morning? Or is there too much chatter

670
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: going on? And one of them turned around and said

671
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: to me, you know that the physical and the mental

672
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: go together. And I said, that's true, they do. I said,

673
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: but I want a little more physical and a little

674
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: less mental and we'll all be happy. So continue your chatting,

675
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: but no pregnant pauses with your exercise. Chat away, but

676
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 2: keep working. And so we got them working. They continued working.

677
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: They walked out the door, and instead of hopping straight

678
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 2: into their car to go home, they stood outside here.

679
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: I really should have a coffee machine outside. You don't

680
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: know how many people don't want to leave after their session.

681
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure they just want to continue talking.

682
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: Oh, when I go and train with a crab, even

683
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Speaker 1: if we're there for an hour and a half, I

684
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: do twenty minutes of training and we're talking for an

685
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 1: hour and ten minutes because I just want to catch

686
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: up with a friend twenty minutes, though, is scintillating that

687
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: I do? Do I just go?

688
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: Can I just add something? I have one session a

689
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: week runs for an hour where anybody who trains during

690
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: the week who hasn't been able to make their normal

691
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: time slot can make up their time slot in this

692
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: one hour. So sometimes I can have you know, I mean,

693
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: I don't train elite athletes, but in my my atmosphere

694
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: of my world, those that are lifting really heavy and

695
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: wanting to be, you know, elite athletes, and then just

696
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: the lady who wants to move a little better and

697
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: function a little better. I have these people all at

698
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: the same time, and everybody enjoys that one hour the banter,

699
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: watching the other person doing what they're good at doing,

700
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 2: watching the other person struggle to achieve what I've asked

701
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: them to achieve. It's just a I don't know. It's

702
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: a really nice hour. And not only did the clients

703
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: benefit from it, I benefit from it. I benefit from

704
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: watching people interacting with one another who come from totally

705
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: different walks of life and working out together.

706
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Speaker 1: Do you ever think about if you hadn't been encouraged

707
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: to go to doesn't matter that it was Harper's, but

708
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: you hadn't had that experience of going into an environment

709
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: that you felt safe and embraced and inspired, and then

710
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 1: yourself made a decision and you went and studied, and

711
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: then this bastard made you go and do field work

712
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: somewhere else because he wouldn't give you the hours, and

713
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: then you went through all of that shit. And imagine

714
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: if you had to turn left instead of right when

715
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: you were thirty eight and none of this had to happen.

716
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that slow doors reality of

717
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: I wonder what my life would look like as an

718
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: almost sixty five year old if I hadn't have gone

719
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: down this path.

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Speaker 2: I do look at that, and I am so grateful

721
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: that I walked through the door that I walked through.

722
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: But I'm also really grateful that I understand that things

723
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: are not often easy, but you've just got to push

724
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: through it and keep practicing it something. You know. I'm

725
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: also not the sort of person that will dive into

726
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: something I like to I like a soft launch into things.

727
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: So I remember, even when I started personal training, I

728
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: didn't give up teaching. I was a school teacher before

729
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: I became a personal trainer full time. So to me,

730
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: you know, the whole concept of soft launch was also

731
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: a really good thing. But I'm glad that I did,

732
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: I did pursue it, and I'm lad that I am

733
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: where I am today, and I feel blessed. I feel grateful.

734
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: I feel grateful that it's through resistance training and it's

735
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: through cardiovascular training that I have an opportunity to be

736
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: with the people that I'm with and to help them

737
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: be a better version of themselves. Whatever that means.

738
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Speaker 1: Do you reckon you're going to be training people when

739
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: you're seventy.

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00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: I do not see myself retiring. I see myself growing

741
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 2: older with my clients. That doesn't mean I don't get

742
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: new young clients, because I do. By the way we

743
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: mentioned before, I don't advertise, and everything's word of mouth.

744
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: I do have what I would consider to be a

745
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 2: full book. But I don't say no to clients because

746
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not saying people come and go because

747
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: the client. I've had clients for over twenty years that

748
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: are still here. But people work gives people, makes people

749
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: leave their time slot for a certain period of time.

750
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: People travel for a bit. So even though I don't

751
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: actively go out there getting new clients, I never say

752
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: not or client because I just enjoy it. I enjoy it.

753
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: I enjoy being with people.

754
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about you or many things, Lily

755
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: Sarah Erector.

756
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: But so.

757
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: Here's this grandmother of two who trains people in her garage,

758
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: who doesn't advertise, who doesn't promote, who wouldn't know what

759
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: fucking Instagram was if it bitter on the ass, Who's

760
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, never been an athlete, blah blah, all of

761
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: that stuff, and you are busier than ninety nine percent

762
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: of trainers in Australia, like, hands down, because I know

763
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: because I talk to trainers all the time and wherever

764
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: I go, wherever I travel, even in the gym that

765
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: I work at, I know how many sessions you do

766
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: a week, and I know ballpark how many sessions you know?

767
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: And the trainers where I train, they're great, they're great.

768
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a credit to you that you are

769
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: so great at what you do, and not that it

770
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: should matter. Of course, it shouldn't matter how old you are.

771
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: It shouldn't matter at all, but sometimes it does matter

772
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: because people want to be with a trainer who looks

773
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: a certain way or has done a certain thing, or

774
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: has got a certain brand or got a certain profile.

775
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: But do you ever think how like you're not just

776
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: doing well for you And not that it's a comparison,

777
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: but compared to most people in the industry, you're in

778
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: the one percent. Have you ever thought about that?

779
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: No, I've never thought about that. But Craig, do you

780
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: remember we recently had a conversation about retiring and you

781
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: use the words retiring from what like, I don't see

782
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: myself retiring. I love what I do. I enjoy getting

783
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: up every morning. I don't ever remember a morning getting

784
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: up and saying, oh shit, I've got to go to

785
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: work this morning. Oh you know, so and so is

786
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: going to walk in the door. How am I going

787
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: to manage that? Never every morning is I want to

788
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: go to work. I want to interact with the people

789
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: that I'm interacting with. I want to challenge them, I

790
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: want to show them new exercises, new things that I've

791
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: learned to discussed new things with them. Every day is

792
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: you know, it's an enjoyable workday for me.

793
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: And I think also back to your I love it.

794
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: You know the idea of retirement, which generally is held

795
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: in high regard in Australia, where retirement's a good thing,

796
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: which the idea and the reality and not the same

797
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: for many people. I will say that because there's anyway

798
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But retirement doesn't work. I'm not talking

799
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: about financially, but psychologically, emotionally, socially and physiologically. For quite

800
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: a decent percentage of the population, retirement is the beginning

801
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: of the end. It's where the rapid decline starts. But

802
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: you know that that whole idea of retiring is well,

803
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: you're moving away from something not good and moving towards

804
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: something better. It's like yep, but in you like but

805
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: what I'm but oh yeah, you People say to me

806
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: a lot, you work too much. I'm like, based on what?

807
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: But like, what are you basing that on? Because I'm

808
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: not anxious, I'm not sad, I'm not depressed. I'm not unhealthy.

809
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: I fucking love my life. I love the people I

810
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: work with. I love talking to crowds and groups. I

811
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: love podcasting, Like right now I'm chatting to you who

812
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: we've been friends for decades. This show is going to

813
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: be sponsored. I'm partnered with Nova on the nov Entertainment Network.

814
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: Right now, technically I'm working. Well, that's a fucking scam

815
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: because this is nothing like work. You know, like you

816
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: and I sit together on usually on a Sunday morning,

817
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: at an undisclosed location, surrounded by security guards, drinking coffee.

818
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: And what I love about you is at at You know,

819
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: twenty five years, twenty six years into your PT career,

820
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: you still come with questions every week, and they could

821
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: be business questions. They could be you know, training stuff,

822
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: food stuff, that could be about how to have a

823
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: particular conversation You've got to have and every time, and

824
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: this is what I love. One of the things I

825
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: love about you is you bring and usually you bring

826
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: an a four spiral bound book. You bring your pen,

827
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: and we talk and you write notes, You write notes,

828
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: write notes, write notes, and you come with really specific questions.

829
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: And I won't say what about. But like the other day,

830
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: before I met you, or before I met Lily, everyone

831
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Speaker 1: she sent me a video, doesn't matter what it's about.

832
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: But anyway, I watched this video and she's like, watch

833
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: the last seven minutes because you wanted to have a

834
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody, but you wanted to hear what I

835
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: thought about this particular topic. But I watched it, and

836
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: then you went, what did you think? And I went,

837
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that rather than you just

838
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: going in guns blazing, having this conversation being you know,

839
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: you wanted to get another opinion that's not yours. You

840
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: wanted to hear from somebody else, and you didn't set

841
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: me up, You didn't preface it with anything. You just said,

842
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: could you watch this please? And then I want to

843
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: talk to you about it, and I watched it when

844
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: we spoke about it, and I love that you know

845
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: you're still In fact, I think you're more curious now.

846
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: I think you're learning more now than when you were younger.

847
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: Maybe because it's easier to learn now, let's be honest,

848
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: because we've got access to so much shit. But two,

849
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: maybe you're less fearful. You know you're less You're less

850
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: worried about asking a question that you think you should

851
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: know the answer to, whereas you know, it doesn't matter

852
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: if I know it or don't know it. And also,

853
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: by the way, Craig might might not know the answer,

854
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: and that's okay too.

855
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: Also, you know, we only know what we know, and

856
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: there is so much out there to learn. The more

857
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: questions you ask, the more knowledgeable you're going to get.

858
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: I had a client in here last night that asked

859
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: me a question that I really don't know the answer to,

860
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: but I know that somebody in my industry will know

861
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: the answer to it. And it's not only the answer

862
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: to that question is how do I take that answer

863
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: and relate that answer to my particular client? Because everyone

864
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: is different, and so I love being asked questions and

865
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: I don't you know At the age of thirty eight,

866
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: I would have hated to have to say I don't

867
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: know the answer to something. I would have thought, you

868
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: need to know the answer. Why don't you know the answer?

869
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: But today I know that I don't know the answer

870
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: to all things, And ask me a question. If I

871
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: don't know the answer, I will source the answer and

872
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: I will make it relevant to you, or try and

873
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: make it relevant to you.

874
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think it is

875
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: about you? And I know this is a hard question

876
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: to answer because your self effacing and self deprecating, and

877
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: you don't have a big opinion of you. But you've

878
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: got a lot more confidence, I think than you used to.

879
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: But what do you think it is about you that

880
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: people come back for twenty years? I mean it's not

881
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: like they need you in inverted comments, but they want you.

882
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: They want to train with you. Like when people are

883
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: paying a fair bit of money every week for twenty years,

884
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: I mean that's almost fucking unheard of. Like, what do

885
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: you think it is about you? And I'm not saying

886
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: this because I want to praise you. I want to

887
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: give other people an insight into because if I was

888
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: listening this, I would think, what the fuck does this

889
00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: woman do?

890
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: Like?

891
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: How does she do it? I want a little bit

892
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: of an insight, because you can have twelve degrees and

893
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: you know all the stuff, and your clients drop off

894
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: after two weeks because it's not only about knowledge. So

895
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: what is it that seems to work so well that

896
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: you do well?

897
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: I think that I've created a great rapport with my clients.

898
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 2: I listen. I'm a really good listener, so when somebody's

899
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: got something to say, I know how to listen. I

900
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: know now that I don't have to have all the answers.

901
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes just listening is enough. I also know how to

902
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: read my clients. I know that for some people, just

903
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: rocking up is congratulations. I don't say that to them,

904
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: but I know that for some people walking through that

905
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: door when they've had a really shitty night for whatever reason,

906
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: or a really bad day at work, thank you rocking up.

907
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: I don't thank you for me, I thank you for you,

908
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 2: and they know that I thank them for them. I'm

909
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: thrilled for them. And you know, Craig, I still write

910
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: programs with a pen and paper. My clients laugh at

911
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: me for using whiteout. They think Honestly, that whiteout is

912
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: as old as I am. And I can write a

913
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: program for a client they walk in the door, I

914
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: can sense immediately that that program is not going to

915
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: work for them for whatever reason, and I will change it.

916
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: I'll change it to accommodate their frame of mind. Now,

917
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they're not going to work. They are

918
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: going to work. They're here to work. I'm mindful of

919
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: the fact they're paying me to get a workout. They're

920
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: not paying me for coffee and cake or a psychological

921
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: appraisal or whatever. They're paying to do a workout. But

922
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: I read them, and I know what's going on, and

923
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: I know what they're capable of doing today, and I

924
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: think that that's what endears people to me. I had

925
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: a client that sms'd me in July of last year.

926
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: Haven't seen her for about four years, and she said,

927
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: just saw you walking down Church Street, Brighton in your

928
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: Lulu lemonngear, wondering whether you're still training people. And I

929
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 2: wrote back, yes, still training people. And she said, would

930
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 2: you take an old client back? And I said, of course,

931
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: I'd take an old client back anyway. She sent me

932
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: an SMS and said, please don't get the fright of

933
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: your life. When I walk through the door, I'm certainly not.

934
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 2: I don't look like the girl you trained pre COVID. Anyway,

935
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: she walked in the door, and I embraced her and

936
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: made her feel comfortable straight away, and we discussed what

937
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: she needed to do, and we discussed the timeframe she

938
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 2: thought she could do it in the timeframe I thought

939
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: she could do it in. And I just created an

940
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: environment where she she felt safe and comfortable, and she's

941
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: achieved her goals.

942
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: If I can say, what did she what's the outcome?

943
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: We want to know what'd she lose?

944
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: So she came in weighing one hundred kilos in July,

945
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: the eleventh of July last year, and she's sixty six

946
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 2: kilos today. She trains twice a week every week, and

947
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: she's embraced a little bit of cardio while she's out

948
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: of here. So you know, she was never a walker

949
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: or even a jogger. And yeah, she's embraced exercise out

950
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: of here.

951
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: And do you how much input do you have into Well,

952
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: let's talk about her her diet, like does she track

953
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: her food? Do you look at it? Do you do

954
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: you have her in the background or do you talk specifics?

955
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: How does that work?

956
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: So again, when she came in, we discussed what would

957
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: be good for her. So she felt that she needed

958
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: to be weighed every week, so we agreed to weighing

959
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 2: every week. She felt that talking to me about food

960
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: and what she was eating would benefit her, so so

961
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 2: we did. We agreed to that. You know, we worked

962
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: together to help her get where she wanted to go.

963
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, she kept a food diary for a while.

964
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: There was a time that she was semssing me what

965
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: she ate at the end, you know, at the end

966
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: of the day, what she ate, and together we made

967
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: it happen.

968
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: So unlike the dictatorship that you grew up in at Harpers,

969
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: you've created a collaborative experience.

970
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: A collaborative experience exactly right, chatting, negotiating, working out what

971
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: might work for them, and yeah, together together making it happen.

972
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to take the power away

973
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: from people. You want to encourage them to have the

974
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: power and just to use you when they feel that

975
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: they have that power or they don't have that knowledge,

976
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 2: to use you as the crutch to help them get

977
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: where they want to go. But yeah, getting back to

978
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: why people come back. I also feel I also know

979
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: people well enough to have put people together for training.

980
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: So you know, a lot of people used to train

981
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: one on one, and I was able to create time

982
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: for me, more time slots for me to take on

983
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: clients by speaking to people about training together at certain times, slots,

984
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: knowing who would want to be with who. And sometimes

985
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: I've got clients in here that I have to shout

986
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: over them so that they can hear what I want

987
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: them to do. And again, like I said before, allowing

988
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: them to talk, allowing them to engage because interaction is

989
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: so powerful, but also making sure that they do what

990
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: they came here to do.

991
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: We're about to wind up. You're doing great, by the way,

992
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: beautiful debut. What do you think some of the most

993
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: valuable lessons that you have learned in your journey since

994
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, from when you were thirty

995
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: eight till now, Like, what are the things that you think,

996
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad I know that, or I'm glad I did that,

997
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: or you know something that for you has been really

998
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: powerful to know or to create.

999
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: Greg, I think that I've got a lot of strengths

1000
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: and I know what they are, but I've also got

1001
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: a lot of weaknesses, and learning to liaise with the

1002
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: right people for me to help me overcome my weaknesses

1003
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: was a very good thing for me. There was a

1004
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: time where I thought asking questions or going to mentoring

1005
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: or even having you know, my own coach physical and

1006
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: mental coach, was a sign of weakness. But it is

1007
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: definitely not a sign of weakness. It's a find of growth.

1008
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: I think that we know what we're capable of doing,

1009
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: but we don't know how capable we are. We don't

1010
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: actually know what we can achieve. And sometimes eating a

1011
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: bit of humble pie, sometimes just you know, being courageous,

1012
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: putting on your big putting on your big boys pants

1013
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: like somebody used to tell me, and getting out there

1014
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: and just learning, experiencing and not being afraid, not being

1015
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: afraid to try.

1016
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: Do you remember you and me going for runs in

1017
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: the dark around where you and I would go and

1018
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: run through the streets. We'd run through suburbia in the dark.

1019
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?

1020
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: That was My favorite favorite part of my training was

1021
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: the dark was great because you couldn't see you, and

1022
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: you didn't worry about other people seeing you. You just

1023
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: you just ran or you walked, or you the dark

1024
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: was good when you're not full of confidence, the dark

1025
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: was good, you know when I was.

1026
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow wow. How do you feel about your body now?

1027
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: Well? I still think that I'm constantly striving to achieve something.

1028
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: There's times I've been fitter and times I've been leaner

1029
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: and healthier. But I know that I know a couple

1030
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: of things, Craig. I know that movement is king. I

1031
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: know that we need to lift for muscle mass. We

1032
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: don't want to atrophy as we get older. I'm getting

1033
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: older and as many of my clients, I want to

1034
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: move better, I want to perform better. I want to

1035
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: be a better version of me every single day. And

1036
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: some days are easier to be that better version and

1037
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: work towards that better version. Some days are harder, but

1038
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: I keep trying, and my clients can see. My clients

1039
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: can see that I try just like they try.

1040
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: Last question, I think, so people who are listening, who

1041
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: go I want to get into some strength training, which

1042
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, flexibility and cardio and balance and

1043
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: coordination and bit of aerobic and muscular endurance all important,

1044
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: But maybe if we had to, I think probably the

1045
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: biggest the most neglected component for a lot of people,

1046
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: say fifty to fifty five onwards, is the fact that

1047
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: they don't do anything to consciously get strong, build muscle,

1048
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: build function, improve bone density, or if they do, they

1049
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: do it periodically spasmodically, they stop and start. How often

1050
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: do you think for any guys and girls, but maybe

1051
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: primarily ladies who are listening to this, who want to

1052
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: get into some strength training, what would you recommend? How often?

1053
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: How long? Fucking how hard? What's the lily recommendation?

1054
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: So, Craig, I'll tell you many clients come to me

1055
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: and say to me, how long or what do I

1056
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: have to do in order to do this? And I

1057
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 2: say to people, doing something every day is fantastic. So

1058
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,479
Speaker 2: if you can go for a walk every second day,

1059
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: if you can lift weights every second day, you're doing

1060
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: the right thing for yourself, for your body, for you.

1061
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: But I also tell people that if you can only

1062
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: give yourself one hour a week, one hour a week

1063
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: is better than no hours a week. And people who

1064
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: tend to give themselves one hour a week eventually want

1065
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: to give themselves more because they feel better. They feel

1066
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: better for walking, they feel better for lifting some weights,

1067
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: they feel better. You know some people say to me,

1068
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: well I can't come to you more than once a week.

1069
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 2: Say well, you don't need to come to me more

1070
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: than once a week. Doesn't cost anything to go for

1071
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: a walk, It doesn't host anything to ask me during

1072
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: one of your sessions, what sort of body weight stuff, Lily,

1073
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: do you think I can do once a week at home?

1074
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: So you don't need to be with a personal trainer

1075
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: five six, seven days a week. You need to find

1076
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: what's good for you financially, time wise. You need to

1077
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: find what's good for you and work with that or

1078
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: build on that. So there is no formula. There is

1079
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: no exact answer for you really depends on who's asking

1080
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: the question.

1081
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh I love it well, Lily. That was your debut,

1082
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 1: your bloody amazing, and you've inspired me a little bit,

1083
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: even though you did rip me off a year of

1084
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: training and financially set me back years. But that's okay.

1085
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: I think I made up for it, Craig. That year

1086
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 2: finished and I continued training with.

1087
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: You, so it's true.

1088
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 2: That's and also remember the gifts I used to want

1089
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: to give you, the Selene on disc that you looked

1090
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: at me when I gave it to you once and thought, jeez,

1091
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: she really knows me by buying me a Selenity on disc.

1092
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: I could say so many things, but I feel like

1093
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to alienate people if I comment on that

1094
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: Seleniti on disc. So I won't say, but thank you

1095
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: for that disc, Lily, I use it all the time.

1096
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: I won't tell it capacity congratulations on your debut on

1097
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: the U project. We may even get you back. If

1098
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: you've got any questions for Lily, just go to the

1099
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: group and leave them there. We might get it back

1100
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: and do a Q and A. How do you think

1101
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: you went? Did you enjoy it? We're still rolling.

1102
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: I absolutely loved it. I loved talking to you. I've

1103
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: always loved talking to you, Craig. I could continue talking

1104
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: to you for hours.

1105
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: All Right, everyone, I'll say go buy you off here

1106
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: in a moment a little but for now, thank you

1107
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: and to the rest of you, see you next time.

1108
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 2: M