WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 2 October

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about Happy Wednesday, nozooks, no left This is the

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<v Speaker 2>plan again this evening.

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to getting into that in the moment

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<v Speaker 1>or two time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, about these protests, the headlines tonight are that regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of whether they are ruled illegal in the lead up

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<v Speaker 2>to the anniversary of October seventh, they will be marching anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there has been a weekly march.

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<v Speaker 2>At times they have been more peaceful than not, but

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<v Speaker 2>at other times there have been plenty of people who

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<v Speaker 2>have been willing to drown out the messages about the

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<v Speaker 2>people of Palestine. Now you know where this is gone

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<v Speaker 2>since Hesbalah and its leader was killed a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>days ago, and particularly the nonsense that you saw on

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<v Speaker 2>the streets of Sydney and Melbourne last weekend. Now, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I always trying to sort of talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Australia first, and I know that there is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about this All the time, I try to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about lots of other things that are around, not

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't care about this issue, but because I

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<v Speaker 2>try to offer you a little bit of a different

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<v Speaker 2>take come this time of the night. But there is

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<v Speaker 2>something that is really important to say about these protests.

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<v Speaker 2>There are of course a collection of high profile people

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<v Speaker 2>who say they absolutely should not be taking place, and

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>Court orders need to be sought and I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>anyone in law.

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<v Speaker 4>Enforcement wants to see these protests go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Hope that Victoria can follow suit with the new South

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<v Speaker 5>Wales police application to the court to stop what would

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<v Speaker 5>be a grotesque gathering to celebrate the death of the

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<v Speaker 5>slaughter of twelve hundred people in Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>All rights have limits, and in our society we need

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<v Speaker 6>to balance certain rights.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are the lone voices in mainstream politics who

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<v Speaker 2>say that they should go ahead at a fairly obviously

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<v Speaker 2>provocative time, with the most recent version of these protests

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<v Speaker 2>involving people who were waving the flags and wearing terrorist symbols,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean alter At the end of the day, we

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<v Speaker 2>are a Western liberal democracy and people.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a right to protest. That is our hallmark of

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<v Speaker 1>our society.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, of course you may will have the right to protest,

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<v Speaker 2>but as a Western democracy we have every right to

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<v Speaker 2>say that the types of symbols which people bring to

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<v Speaker 2>the protest are acceptable and not acceptable. We have lived

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<v Speaker 2>through an absolute nonsense of the past couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>that when the government wants to crack down they will

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<v Speaker 2>arrest women in their pajamas for posting about protests on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen rubber bullets.

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<v Speaker 2>Fired at people who broke curfew during COVID at the

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<v Speaker 2>War Memorial in Melbourne. We have seen the absolute heavy

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<v Speaker 2>handedness of guaranteeing that anyone turning up to a planned

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<v Speaker 2>protest during COVID, well, of course those people were not

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to get on a train, and if they did

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<v Speaker 2>get on a train, they'd be arrested for getting Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if they want to crack down, they can crack down,

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<v Speaker 2>but as we know multiple times, they have chosen not to.

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<v Speaker 2>And even when we go back to the nonsense of

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<v Speaker 2>the Opera House, which obviously was a celebration of what

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<v Speaker 2>had happened on October the seventh, now again, if you

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<v Speaker 2>step down and go through the detail, the protests that

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<v Speaker 2>have existed for largely much of the fifty two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>are apparently in support of those who are living in

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<v Speaker 2>places like Gaza. So okay, they have their right to protest,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you agree with it or not. But just like

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<v Speaker 2>the celebration of what happened on October the seventh out

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<v Speaker 2>the front of the Opera House when it was the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish community's moment to mourn. These were not approved, There

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<v Speaker 2>was no approval given to those protests. But police did

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<v Speaker 2>not shut them down. Police did not shut them down

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<v Speaker 2>in the fashion in which they would have shut down

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<v Speaker 2>any other form of protest because, and I'll be very direct,

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<v Speaker 2>their fear was that if they did stop people from

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<v Speaker 2>marching from the town hall to a thirty minute march

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<v Speaker 2>down to the Opera House, that the shops would have

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<v Speaker 2>been bashed up along the way. Now again police have

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<v Speaker 2>shown and this is a very pro police show, but

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<v Speaker 2>the upper echelons of the police have decided that one

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<v Speaker 2>group of people will cop the rubber bullets, others well will.

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<v Speaker 1>What can we possibly do? So here is the solution.

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<v Speaker 2>If these people do choose to protest at a time

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<v Speaker 2>which is clearly insensitive, clearly provocative, then let's follow the

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<v Speaker 2>model that both New so Whales and Victoria have already

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<v Speaker 2>put in place for organizations that required extra police to

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<v Speaker 2>turn up because of potential conflicts. Firstly, remember mate Nigel

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<v Speaker 2>Farage came to Australia and he and the promoters of

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<v Speaker 2>his tour were literally handed the bill for the police

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<v Speaker 2>to be outside of that event because the protesters were

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<v Speaker 2>going to cause trouble. Meantime, in Victoria, when Milo Uanopolis

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<v Speaker 2>was hosting again a private event, you buy a ticket

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<v Speaker 2>that because the rabble turns up, the police have to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the rabble. And the bill was sent to

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<v Speaker 2>the organizers of the talkfest that Eanopolis was involved with.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the solution.

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<v Speaker 2>Send the bill for this weekend to the people and

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<v Speaker 2>organizations that are going to defy the court orders. They

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<v Speaker 2>are very freely identifiable on the Internet. They put out

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<v Speaker 2>press releases with telephone numbers at the bottom of them,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can call the organizers. The organizers have the

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<v Speaker 2>capacity to be interviewed at a moment noticed by the men.

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<v Speaker 2>If they march this weekend, send them the bill. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the bill can be as little as three thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>when it came to the scenario involving Nigel Ferrage. It

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<v Speaker 2>can be fifty thousand dollars when it came to the

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<v Speaker 2>Malo Unanopolis thing, or would the crazy protests that the

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<v Speaker 2>nutters put on in Melbourne a few weeks ago, when

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<v Speaker 2>that weapons expo was in play. Remember when members of

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<v Speaker 2>the media were being turned on and they were going nuts. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Saturday Herald Sun claims that that whole thing cost

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<v Speaker 2>thirty million dollars. Thirty million dollars in terms of police time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, will they pay the bill?

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<v Speaker 2>Most probably not, But there's then a proceeding that you

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<v Speaker 2>can go after organizations and individuals who refuse to pay

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<v Speaker 2>those bills. Now, let's see whether an uneven police hierarchy

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<v Speaker 2>will respond to the protest.

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<v Speaker 1>COVID bad this okay, because there's too many people to

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<v Speaker 1>push back on.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether they'll send a bill to people who book a hall,

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<v Speaker 2>sell tickets and speak nothing else. But because people want

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<v Speaker 2>to protest, the people inside the hall or the person speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>At the hall, they get sent the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the protesters who do the damage, but the people

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<v Speaker 2>organizing the event. Let's see whether that happens between now

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<v Speaker 2>and then. Let's get that question asked of the premiers of.

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<v Speaker 1>NIWS, wl Was and Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>Will the organizations that plan to defy the courts if

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<v Speaker 2>the courts say you cannot march, will they be.

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<v Speaker 1>Sent the bill?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we both know what the answer may be,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's hold out some hope that between now and

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the week, when this thing becomes a

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<v Speaker 2>virtual inevitability, the position is clear, and everyone knows if

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<v Speaker 2>they choose to turn up, a bill will be coming

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<v Speaker 2>their way and they will have to pay it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about the vice presidential debate which took place

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States today. Now, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do my usual thing where I'm going to show you

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<v Speaker 2>nine hundred different pieces of clips and evidence and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to turn around and show you all this

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<v Speaker 2>polling information and all the rest of it. Right, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to show you the most bald faced version of

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<v Speaker 2>a politician lying on a global scale, and it's that

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<v Speaker 2>bloke Tim Waltz. Now, Tim Waltz loves telling stories about

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<v Speaker 2>his past, and many of them are just not true.

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<v Speaker 2>There may be a sort of grain of truth somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>but he always finds a way to spin the story up,

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<v Speaker 2>like a fishing story, to be bigger and bigger and bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody b sing about how big the fish was that

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<v Speaker 2>caught this weekend. This is a bloke who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>be a heartbeat away from the presidency and the person

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<v Speaker 2>who Kamala Harris thinks should help govern the biggest democracy, well,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly the most significant democracy in the Western world. This

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<v Speaker 2>was the question that he was asked by the moderators today.

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<v Speaker 7>Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during

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<v Speaker 7>the deadly Tieneman Square protests in the spring of nineteen

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<v Speaker 7>eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets

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<v Speaker 7>are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until

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<v Speaker 7>August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a discrepancy, it's a lie. It's middle stump.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been caught, and he's been caught on national and

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<v Speaker 2>therefore international television.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>I would normally show you lots of little things, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is the insight into the bloke who has told

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<v Speaker 2>lies all the way to get up the greasy pole,

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<v Speaker 2>but now is telling lies about himself in order to

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<v Speaker 2>take the ultimate step, which is to be working in

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<v Speaker 2>the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>This is his full answer. You heard the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's his absolute non answer, wrapped in a lie, wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>in a look over there a rabbit.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in.

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<v Speaker 8>Small rural Nebraska, a town of four hundred town that

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<v Speaker 8>you rode your bike with your buddies. Still the street

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<v Speaker 8>lights come on, and I wish was that China. I

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<v Speaker 8>joined the National Guard at seventeen two Caves Farms, and

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<v Speaker 8>then I use the GI Bill to become a teacher,

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<v Speaker 8>passion about it a young China subject. First year out,

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<v Speaker 8>I got the in the summer of a question you

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<v Speaker 8>told people be able to square home became the blood.

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<v Speaker 1>You hadn't even been the Aisia.

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<v Speaker 8>We would pay, we would take baseball teams, we would

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<v Speaker 8>take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China.

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<v Speaker 8>The issue for that was was to try and learn. Now, look,

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<v Speaker 8>my community knows who I am.

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<v Speaker 1>They saw I know who you are. They I will

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<v Speaker 1>be the.

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<v Speaker 8>First to tell you I have poured my heart into

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<v Speaker 8>my community. I've tried to do the best I can.

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<v Speaker 8>You had the question perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's always been about that. Those same people elected

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<v Speaker 8>me to Congress for twelve years, and in Congress I

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<v Speaker 8>was one of the most bipartisan people, working on things

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<v Speaker 8>like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits,

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<v Speaker 8>and then the people of Minnesota were able to elect

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<v Speaker 8>me to governor twice. So look, my commitment has been

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<v Speaker 8>from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for

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<v Speaker 8>the people, to make sure.

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<v Speaker 1>That I get this right.

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<v Speaker 8>I will say, more than anything, A lot of times

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<v Speaker 8>I have been ali.

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<v Speaker 2>I will not the rhetoric, but I'm qualified to be

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<v Speaker 2>the impact vice president of the United State.

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<v Speaker 1>In my life, I learned a lot about China.

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<v Speaker 8>I hear the critiques of this. I would make the

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<v Speaker 8>case that Donald Trump should have come on one of

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<v Speaker 8>those trips with us and.

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<v Speaker 1>Go way, go, way, go go. Say that that goes

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<v Speaker 1>on for another minute.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, now, what he should have done is

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<v Speaker 2>when anyone is caught in a stone cold lie in life,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty simple. Sorry, shouldn't have said it instead? Because

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<v Speaker 2>these people are so used to no one, no one

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<v Speaker 2>putting pressure on them, they just think they can be

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<v Speaker 2>as their way through it. And largely there were plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of people in the media today in the postgame who

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even bring that moment up, but of course it

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<v Speaker 2>was Bam.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're blowing the Teneman square question when you

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<v Speaker 1>look more nervous than the dudes staring down the tank.

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<v Speaker 2>At least they did, and it was a good joke, unbelievable, right,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, as for who won the debate, Vance

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<v Speaker 2>won the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest, I didn't think he was going to.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that Tim Watson had had some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>special superpower that he'd been hiding for a long period

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<v Speaker 2>of time. He's been through many debates, governor, running for Parliament,

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<v Speaker 2>the House multiple times. But Jade Evans just knocked him out,

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<v Speaker 2>just started playing with him now. He was, Yes, the

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<v Speaker 2>most level headed version of Jade Vance that many people

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<v Speaker 2>have ever seen, myself included. But in the end, who

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<v Speaker 2>cares when everyone from the New York Times to the

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Mail say that you won, and our dear friend

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<v Speaker 2>Megan Kelly couldn't hide her excitement at how well Ants

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<v Speaker 2>deed and how polly that liar went.

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<v Speaker 9>The moderators were not much better. They were a little

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<v Speaker 9>better than ABC News, but JD. Vance put on a

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<v Speaker 9>master class in how to handle biased moderators and a

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<v Speaker 9>lying opponent. And it was a thing of beauty. It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like.

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<v Speaker 9>Every Republican or Republican voter or person who in this

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<v Speaker 9>case is rooting for Trump knows exactly what I am

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<v Speaker 9>feeling right now, which is just thank God.

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<v Speaker 2>Now as for her guests in the post game. The

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<v Speaker 2>bloke who's in the business suit, he's the straight journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>The very smiley guy is the Democrat. The guy in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of Sean Spicer, who you know used to

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<v Speaker 2>work as the press secretary for Donald Trump, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course a regular guest with my mate Andrew Bolt on

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<v Speaker 2>his program. And all of them thought exactly the Simons.

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<v Speaker 1>Megan. I thought Tim Walls worked a little overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 10>He looked, frankly, a little small and simple.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's lucky that he was bailed out by

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<v Speaker 2>the moderators, because he what was a mismatch had been

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<v Speaker 2>a massacre had it been a level playing field.

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<v Speaker 1>His performance was shaky.

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<v Speaker 11>So how do you expect Tim Waltz, who frankly is

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<v Speaker 11>handicapped from doing a good job to begin with, because

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<v Speaker 11>he wasn't a good debater, to articulate somebody else's positions

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<v Speaker 11>that he doesn't know, she doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Walls did seem unsteady and frankly. What I saw in

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<v Speaker 6>Walls is somebody who has not faced questions on a

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<v Speaker 6>national stage since he became the Democratic nominee. It was

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<v Speaker 6>simply out of practice.

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<v Speaker 2>So now it's two from two when the media played

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<v Speaker 2>alone with the Harrison Waltz game of no serious interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>no press conferences. Eventually, the people aren't match feet for

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<v Speaker 2>when they have to get into the ring and have

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<v Speaker 2>to divide their case. In Jade Vance's case, he's done

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<v Speaker 2>something like one hundred, literally one hundred different interviews since

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<v Speaker 2>being named as Donald Trump's running mate. One was match fit.

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<v Speaker 2>One thought that they could coast as Again, one of

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<v Speaker 2>those people said, if it wasn't for the moderators and

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<v Speaker 2>one of whom was just a bismol abismol, then it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been even more obvious. But by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the CNN poll, which you may will have heard, was

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one to forty nine in favor of Jade Vance.

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<v Speaker 2>They oversampled Democrats by five percent, so he won, and

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<v Speaker 2>he won by a much bigger margin, but statistically that's

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<v Speaker 2>why it ended up at fifty one forty nine. But

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<v Speaker 2>as for the mega lefties over on MSNBC, well, this

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<v Speaker 2>was their review to what you just saw.

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<v Speaker 12>I think the big picture takeaway from this is that

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<v Speaker 12>one of these candidates is much slicker than the other,

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<v Speaker 12>is a much more practiced kind of professional debate style speaker,

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<v Speaker 12>and the other candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>One, sorry, the guy who's asked directly about a lie

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<v Speaker 2>exposed on national international television takes us for a ride

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<v Speaker 2>through his childhood and.

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<v Speaker 1>Bikes and not answering the question.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit like Kamala Harris with so, how are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to fix the economy? Well, middle class and

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<v Speaker 2>lawns and all that other garbage that was thrown out there, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>just but that's the world they live in, Megan Kelly

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<v Speaker 2>on the show tomorrow night. Now, there is a chance

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<v Speaker 2>that the current Prime minister may be about as politically

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<v Speaker 2>smart as a former prime minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Abenezy, well, he believes that he's got a special

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<v Speaker 2>connection with the Australian people and no matter what he does,

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<v Speaker 2>he will end up winning in the end, which reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me a little bit of the Ghost, because you see,

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<v Speaker 2>remember the Ghost in twenty and sixteen decided to call

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<v Speaker 2>a double disillusion election.

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<v Speaker 1>This meant that all of.

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<v Speaker 2>The senators were up for grad and of course the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate cross bench became even wilder.

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<v Speaker 1>To deal with. But he was playing four in chess

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<v Speaker 1>because I am so amazing and have a leather jacket. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Abernezi is getting ready to pull a Turnbull.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't go to a d D though, well probably

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<v Speaker 2>won't go to a d D because it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>a great result for you, would it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, wait and see.

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<v Speaker 2>So a double disilusion I've said before, Bring it on.

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<v Speaker 2>The poles couldn't be worse for the government right now,

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't be worse personally for the Prime Minister right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But still the threat is out there. You see, if

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<v Speaker 2>the same piece of legislation is rejected twice by the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate in a certain period of time, then the government

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<v Speaker 2>is allowed to go to an election, where not just

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<v Speaker 2>everyone downstairs in the House of Representatives, but everyone upstairs

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<v Speaker 2>in the Senate all goes to an election at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time. But the fourteen percent of the vote quota

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<v Speaker 2>that you need to become a senator, well it drops

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<v Speaker 2>down by half, which guarantees there would be multiple Jackie

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<v Speaker 2>Lamby's in the Parliament. There'd be multiple people from one nation,

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<v Speaker 2>there would be relatively easy re elect for the United

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<v Speaker 2>Australia Party, and there'd be a whole lot more that

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<v Speaker 2>would blow out a cross bench that has already rejected

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<v Speaker 2>something once. But there'd be more of them to reject

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<v Speaker 2>it a second time, So of course there is no need.

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<v Speaker 1>For the double disillusion election.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet guess what they're bringing back the bill, So just

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<v Speaker 2>in case the double d.

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<v Speaker 1>Bluff is still on the table.

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<v Speaker 2>Clara O'Neill, clueless Claire who's now the Housing Minister after

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<v Speaker 2>stuffing up our borders, now she wants to screw up housing.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister has left it, left that really open

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a serious proposition because we're serious about addressing.

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<v Speaker 1>The housing crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you really remember we showed you last night just

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<v Speaker 2>what thirteen thousand new dwellings have been approved in August.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, only a third in the past couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years since they became the government of dwellings had been

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<v Speaker 2>approved to match the immigration numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>But nothing to see here.

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<v Speaker 2>And again the Prime Minister may need to be aware

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<v Speaker 2>of his own polling here because while he thinks our

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<v Speaker 2>laborer win will win in the end, it doesn't even

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<v Speaker 2>matter if we're a minority. He is below water in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of what Australians think of his leadership right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So if he thinks that Australians are ready for a

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<v Speaker 2>however many week election, campaign where it's all elbow all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. This is where he's starting from. In News poll,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty two percent of people disapprove, he is eight points

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<v Speaker 2>under water in terms of approval and disapproval, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Resolve Pole fifty three percent of people say he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>a poor, very poor job, and even over in the

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<v Speaker 2>Turnabul Times the Guardian poll, only forty two percent of

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<v Speaker 2>people approve of him and his leadership at this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course Anthony Albernizi and much of the people

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<v Speaker 2>who cover him in them or hold the water for

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<v Speaker 2>him in that canbra bubble, well, they all think that,

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<v Speaker 2>of course he's guaranteed to just increase his majority, not

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<v Speaker 2>go backwards, which is what every single pole is predicting

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of course he's running against Peter Dutton and.

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<v Speaker 2>The ugur booger factor of the daily drum beat of

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<v Speaker 2>fear they try to raise about the alternative prime Minister. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Turmble Times again more than happy to report that

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<v Speaker 2>Albaneze he says that Dutton thinks politics is all about testosterone.

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<v Speaker 2>As character attacks escalate, this is the Prime Minister again

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<v Speaker 2>fighting with the caricature of Peter Dutton, rather than the

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<v Speaker 2>bloke who in some poles is even leading him as

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<v Speaker 2>preferred Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 3>My government works through issues in an orderly consistent way

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<v Speaker 3>and when we make a decision, we pursue it. But

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton hasn't called for an end to all gambling

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<v Speaker 3>ads and so I'm not quite sure where he's coming

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<v Speaker 3>from except his mucho stance. He thinks that politics is

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<v Speaker 3>all about testosterone. Well, it's about getting things right and

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<v Speaker 3>making the right decisions for the right reasons, and we

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<v Speaker 3>will do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the two little too late tax cuts, increasing the

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<v Speaker 2>overall spend of the budget into welfare, building in a

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<v Speaker 2>structural deficit that your own treasury says will put us

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<v Speaker 2>into deficit every year between now and the twenty sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>bringing in the best part of a Midian people in

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years, when clearly the only reason to

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<v Speaker 2>do that is to prop up the federal budget because

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<v Speaker 2>the rental cues and every other queue in Australia is

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<v Speaker 2>already too long for people to find a house. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're logical and achieving wonderful things. And then again

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<v Speaker 2>there's this nonsense which turned up yesterday from Tony Burke.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know why Tony burk Turki is desperate to

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<v Speaker 2>change the subject from any sort of accountability for people

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<v Speaker 2>who are born in this country who are part of

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<v Speaker 2>the protests that we've been talking about the past few days. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to pretend that all of these protesters can

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<v Speaker 2>be deported. They can't be because in many cases, as

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<v Speaker 2>I say, they were born here and in some cases

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<v Speaker 2>they're from his electorate.

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<v Speaker 13>With Peter Dudden, it is always about the Middle East

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<v Speaker 13>and never about Middle Australia. The moment, it's about something

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<v Speaker 13>on the other side of the world. Peter Dunden wants

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<v Speaker 13>to talk about that and nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you notice the by the way that they're playing

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<v Speaker 2>home games on Radio National. That's how big a trouble

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<v Speaker 2>layer in right now. That the labor ministers are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the place where the easiest questions will

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<v Speaker 2>be asked, and then the turbul times will turn around

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<v Speaker 2>and dutifully right up the attack line of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not venturing outside the most bubbly bit of the

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<v Speaker 2>camera bubble. But while he talks about the obsession with

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East, we do know that we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>protests that have happened in Australia where people have been

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<v Speaker 2>holding the terrorist symbols, where people were mourning the death

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<v Speaker 2>of the terrorist. It's not a conversation about the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a conversation about Australia and what we're willing to

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<v Speaker 2>put up with in Australia. But of course Peter Dutton's

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<v Speaker 2>the problem now. Last night I told you a story

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<v Speaker 2>about Tony Armstrong. Now, Tony Armstrong is a very popular

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman and he is a host over there on Channel

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<v Speaker 2>two and he's sort of moving from the news side

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<v Speaker 2>of things to the entertainment side of things. And as

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<v Speaker 2>we told you, there was a little story done by,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, my mate, none other than the wonderful Jeanine Perrott.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember here almost every night during the first few

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<v Speaker 2>years of this program. A dear friend of mine never

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<v Speaker 2>hired it and she's been filling in on the Media

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<v Speaker 2>Watch program and she was able to reveal that his

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<v Speaker 2>little side gig while We're looking for the ABC was

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<v Speaker 2>doing ads for an insurance company.

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<v Speaker 14>He's not only on the breakfast TV couch. In recent

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<v Speaker 14>months he's appeared at night on a new sports show.

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<v Speaker 14>He's one of many appearing in ABC News promos and

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<v Speaker 14>the face of his own five part series, So.

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<v Speaker 8>Come with me on my hunt for our most Extraordinary Things.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 14>So we were stunned when we got confirmation that Tony

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<v Speaker 14>was selling an insurance company as well, with Tony's voice

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<v Speaker 14>also embedded in these sponsored ad breaks during nine News.

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<v Speaker 4>And our remain Insurance a help company.

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<v Speaker 14>Now, plenty of ABC stars are engaged in outside work,

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<v Speaker 14>often as MC's at corporate events. But putting aside whether

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<v Speaker 14>doing such corporate work is advisable and for ABC journalists,

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<v Speaker 14>we think it is problematic. Voicing the commercial is a

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<v Speaker 14>whole different game.

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<v Speaker 2>So middle stump right in the same way that media

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<v Speaker 2>watch has got many middle stumps some people in the commercial,

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<v Speaker 2>Well they got a middle stump on an A star

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<v Speaker 2>and credit to them for taking on a very significant,

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<v Speaker 2>very well protected person over there at Channel two. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>now the response the race card is being played by

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<v Speaker 2>his boss. The ABC News director is calling out racist

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<v Speaker 2>attacks on Tony Armstrong and criticizes inflammatory mainstream media. And

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<v Speaker 2>remember the story was broken by the ABC on the ABC.

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<v Speaker 2>But the ABC News director, Justin Stevens, has called out

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<v Speaker 2>the racist abuse Tony Armstrong has received saying the Indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>presenter has been targeted on social media and in comments

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<v Speaker 2>on news sites in a despicable way. Now again, anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who is abusing him in that fashion, you shouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do it on social media, don't do it in

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<v Speaker 2>the comments section. But to pretend that everyone but the

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<v Speaker 2>ABC is all involved in some sort of artificial pylon

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<v Speaker 2>for a person who you use in your news promos,

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<v Speaker 2>who then turns around and as a side gig is

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<v Speaker 2>flowing commercial products over on your rivals, like say Channel nine,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm sorry you're not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>play the race card on this one, but no doubt

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<v Speaker 2>it will continue to happen. And by the way, what

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about when it was this last night or

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<v Speaker 2>the Cydney Morning Herald with their COVID inquiry where they

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<v Speaker 2>concluded everything that we said on Sky News and myself

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<v Speaker 2>in particular was one hundred percent right about why lockdowns

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<v Speaker 2>were too harsh, and of course they didn't admit at

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<v Speaker 2>all the fault in their reporting. So the response to

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<v Speaker 2>calling out this very obvious weird standard at the ABC

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<v Speaker 2>or calling out the turmbul times as frequently as I do,

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<v Speaker 2>or calling out the Channel one newspapers as I do,

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<v Speaker 2>means they'll all be coming back to try to crack

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<v Speaker 2>at us or specifically at me. So if you do

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<v Speaker 2>read anything in the next few weeks, that's why, not

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<v Speaker 2>what they're able to invent, but that's why they're writing it.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, I don't have many friends anymore outside

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<v Speaker 2>of this building in the Australian media because as somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who always dreamt of working in this business, as somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's had the honor of being able to work in

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<v Speaker 2>this business, we owe it to you to be honest

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:22.680
<v Speaker 2>about the failings of this business. At times when they're

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<v Speaker 2>legitimate and they are mine, I'll own them like I

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 2>have in the past, because when you're broadcast five days

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<v Speaker 2>a week for basically eleven months of the year, hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of shows, you do get things wrong from time to

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<v Speaker 2>time and a couple of bin doozies. But I've always

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<v Speaker 2>apologized for it. The idea that nobody apologizes for this,

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 2>just like nobody apologizes for the COVID coverage, well that's

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<v Speaker 2>what pisces me off, which is why I fire up

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 2>in the manner that I do. But as we also

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<v Speaker 2>told you last night the ABC in addition to underpaying

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<v Speaker 2>its staff by millions of dollars over multiple years, in

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<v Speaker 2>addition to problems when it comes to sexual harassment in

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>their own news division, they also had the report last week.

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<v Speaker 2>This week, I should say about issues when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to racism, systemic baked in racism, in the way the

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<v Speaker 2>organization works and what some of the people are doing

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 2>inside the organization. So the boss of Channel two went

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<v Speaker 2>on to one of the ABC programs and went through

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<v Speaker 2>a struggle session. Have a look at this being laid

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<v Speaker 2>on rather thick.

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<v Speaker 10>Hello, welcome Jinjawler in the language of my ancestors, the

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<v Speaker 10>Bungelong people of the far North coast of New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you Managing Director David Anderson for joining us here

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<v Speaker 10>on this really momentous occasion. Is really significant that we

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<v Speaker 10>take the opportunity to step into this new space as

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<v Speaker 10>I would like to call it, that's been created today

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<v Speaker 10>where we reflect on the legacy of what has been

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<v Speaker 10>reflected on in this review and the steps that are

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<v Speaker 10>being outlined in terms of how we move forward as

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<v Speaker 10>an organization. So in recognition of that, just acknowledging, we're

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<v Speaker 10>here today on gadigil country, paying respects to elders past

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<v Speaker 10>and present, and just respecting the manner in which that

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<v Speaker 10>we have this conversation to start off with, David Anderson,

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<v Speaker 10>for you as managing director, coming through this process from

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<v Speaker 10>fifteen months ago when this was announced, what are you

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<v Speaker 10>reflecting on today as you step through the testimony of

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<v Speaker 10>some one hundred and twenty ABC staff who have shared

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 10>some really deeply painful moments of their experience here working

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<v Speaker 10>at the ABC.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Miriam.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, I'd also like to acknowledge the traditional custodians the

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 10>land upon which we're meeting today, the gatical people of

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<v Speaker 10>the Aora nation.

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<v Speaker 1>And pay my respects to elders past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, quick break, plenty more to talk about, No sooks,

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 2>no lefties this evening. Michael Kroger and Roman Bishop will

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 2>be joining us about a whole lot more when it

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>comes to Australia, the United States, the world, all of it.

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 2>But I promise you you're in exactly the right place

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>and you're not going anywhere for at least the next

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes. Thanks very much for watching. No looks, no

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 2>lefties tonight. Apologies The wonderful Bromber Bishop carry over a

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>champ as always on a Wednesday night. This will throw

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 2>all of the lefties that I hate watching tonight taking

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>their notes down for the weekly Whatevers, and the wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Kroger joining us from Melbourne as well. Now, let's

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<v Speaker 2>start with you first, Michael, about that struggle session with

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<v Speaker 2>the boss of the ABC now now again right that

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<v Speaker 2>they've got the report, it shows they have a problem

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 2>and he has to try to go out there and

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 2>say okay, I get it now. Literally when you watch

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 2>that presentation, there was one anchor who throws to another

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 2>anchor and that's the person who you saw interviewing him.

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 2>And then after all of that then he of course

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<v Speaker 2>responds with welcome to country. I do think that's called

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<v Speaker 2>a struggle session.

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<v Speaker 4>Made.

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<v Speaker 15>I agree with what everyone watching this program misthinking themselves.

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<v Speaker 15>That video speaks for itself and there's nothing you can

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<v Speaker 15>usefully add to that except to say that is there

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<v Speaker 15>any wonder that the ABC's ratings are at pretty well

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 15>record lows. It's good in Country Australia, Rural Australia because

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 15>they liked their local rural ABC radio. But most things

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 15>coming out of the ABC in Sydney and Melbourne. The

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 15>ratings are in the toilet and you want to know why.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why.

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<v Speaker 2>But also remember, you know, way back when when there

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<v Speaker 2>was like teachers strikes, when I was going to school,

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 2>when there were teacher strikes and there was like closed

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>circuit television meetings that were being sort of shown at

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 2>all the pubs at insert state, it felt like all

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 2>of that was just for all the people watching monitors

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 2>in the building, none of the people actually watching the

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<v Speaker 2>television at the time.

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<v Speaker 16>Well, I have long advocated that the Act that governs

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<v Speaker 16>the ABC should be changed to make the Charter enforceable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and let me tell you what.

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<v Speaker 16>The charter says that they shall broadcast programs that contribute

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<v Speaker 16>to a sense of national identity and inform and entertain

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 16>and reflect cultural diversity of the Australian community. That interview

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<v Speaker 16>that you've just shown did none of that. But it

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<v Speaker 16>goes on to say at the bottom of the charter,

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<v Speaker 16>despite it all being set out there, that nobody can

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<v Speaker 16>actually take legal action to make them do it. Now,

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<v Speaker 16>if you changed that and actually inserted a provision that

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<v Speaker 16>it could be legally enforceable, you might start to get

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<v Speaker 16>some proper results, Yes, because that demonstration we just saw

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<v Speaker 16>was a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, right, he has every right, as the boss

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<v Speaker 2>of an organization that's just going to report about what

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 2>is going on inside his organization, to turn around and

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<v Speaker 2>try to reassure his organization that he's going.

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<v Speaker 1>To change it. The idea that we all were forced

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<v Speaker 1>to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Along felt to me quite well, as Michael says, stands

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<v Speaker 2>for itself.

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<v Speaker 1>But I completely agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what about the four D chess that the Ghost

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>was playing and eventually a double disillusion where he of

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<v Speaker 2>course almost lost his majority, in fact barely held on

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 2>to it in twenty sixteen. Well, apparently an early election

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 2>based off a housing bill may well be the exact

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>same or worse result for Anthony Albernezi, because unlike the Ghost,

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 2>he's not starting with a landslide like the one Tobdy

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Habbit handed him in two thousand and or that was

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 2>taken from him after the twenty thirteen election, or of.

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<v Speaker 1>Course in the case of.

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<v Speaker 2>Rudd and it being taken from him and Gillard of

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 2>course peddling it up against the wall. He's got two,

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<v Speaker 2>remember two, he's on seventy six as a majority that

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 2>he's got to spare two more because he's on seventy eight.

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 2>So what four d chess or is it just Titley

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Winks is currently going on with the government pretending they

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>may well have double dissolusion, which of course will explode

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 2>across bench, making it even harder to get something through

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate.

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<v Speaker 15>Michael made he's on seventy eight, but as I said

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 15>to you, he's actually on sixty seven. Come election day,

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.760
<v Speaker 15>Dutton's on seventy two already, and I think Dutton's going higher.

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:17.959
<v Speaker 15>I don't want to upset my friend Stephen Conry because

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<v Speaker 15>when I say seventy two, he has a migrain. So

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.839
<v Speaker 15>given that he's probably not watching at this minute because

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 15>it's passed his bedtime, Dutton's probably on seventy four by now.

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, I don't say that to Stephen.

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 15>Look, this bloke, Albanize's polls are getting worse every day,

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 15>as we keep saying, he's in free fall. This has

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 15>been another disaster week for him, starting off with the

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 15>capital gains tax that no one asked for. Maybe they

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.879
<v Speaker 15>did it was just their own work and Treasury et cetera,

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 15>et cetera. He did no charms. I mean, what a

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 15>complete chamozol over a serious issue. Now he's towing with

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 15>the idea of a double dissolution. He told Andrews, now

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 15>we have to wait and see. Well, I'll tell you

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 15>that you don't have to wait, and you don't have

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.399
<v Speaker 15>to see. He ain't calling a double dissolution elections right

0:34:56.440 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 15>because the quator from the Senate zero chance? What was that,

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 15>you know, Steve what was his own carew Carrell? In anyways,

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 15>Seve Grell, he said zero chants when he sat at

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 15>the back of that mortgage breakers meeting. In the big

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 15>short the quota in the Senate goes from fourteen point

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.479
<v Speaker 15>three percent to get a senator elected, it's a seven

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 15>point seven percent. So it's much easier for minor parties

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 15>to get elected in a Senate in a double which

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 15>means the cross bench effectively in the Senate will be

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 15>larger than it is now. Its grandmother's fruitcake now to

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.839
<v Speaker 15>be three fruitcakes. So Albow ain't going to do that,

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 15>and he ain't going to call election anytime soon because

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 15>if he does, he'll get flogged. A zero chance. There's

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 15>zero chances to him holding his majority. You know, I've

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 15>been saying this for months, there's zero chances to him

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 15>going in his own right. And if he called an

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.919
<v Speaker 15>election anytime soon, will it be ringing? Adam Ban saying,

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 15>all of the given forgiven.

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<v Speaker 16>There's a couple of reasons, Michael, why Mike carls Early.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you think you think you could actually press the.

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 16>Button, but not a double dissolution ife anything else, says

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<v Speaker 16>the interesting question that section fifty seven of the Constitution says,

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 16>and that the Senate must the bill must fail to pass.

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 16>Now whether postponing a vote to November, as the Greens

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 16>and Coalition.

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>First trigger little on the second is a moot.

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 16>Point and they've got to ask the Governor General and

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 16>convince him it's part in the sky. But the reason

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 16>he might be interested in having an early election is

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.399
<v Speaker 16>I kept thinking he will is because you've already got

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 16>other contenders who think they'll make better prime ministers starting

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 16>to count numbers. You've got the snake Charmer, You've got Burke,

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 16>and you've got Tanya Plibusak, who's busy out there say

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 16>look at me, look at me, look at me. So

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 16>if he wants to say, well, I'm going to go

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 16>off there and he can go, he can just call it.

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 16>And the second thing is, you know, when he mucked

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 16>up like he's doing now in the lead up to

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 16>the last election, he used to send him off on COVID.

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Lead Cod's had to disappear for a week.

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:06.919
<v Speaker 16>He's he's got COVID. They can't do that now there's

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 16>no there's no disease that they can send him out of.

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I had forgotten about it. This is why the institutional

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:13.839
<v Speaker 1>memory of view too. I love it, and I love

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 1>it here each and every week right now. In the

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Queensland election, well.

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Under the Liberal Party because they made the decision Greens

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 2>go last, right, That's exactly what the position should be

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 2>in my view. You know, there's there's no case for

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the Greens being anything but at the very bottom of

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 2>the ticket. There may well be a certain person in

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>a certain seat, but as a rule dead last, right.

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, Jewish groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Have actually got together with other minority groups and are

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<v Speaker 2>trying to inform the public about how ethnic minorities are

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<v Speaker 2>not in fact best represented by the Greens, who, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>remember trying to pretend that they are, you know, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the Aussie version of the United Nations, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael, what do you think. I know you speak very.

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<v Speaker 2>Warmly of the decision that the Libs have made in

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<v Speaker 2>Queens and I hope it's one that happens nationally. We

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:03.479
<v Speaker 2>all know labor should but won't because literally there would

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 2>be a lot bigger number than seventy we'd be potentially

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<v Speaker 2>talking about here as a potential government.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's good not just to make.

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<v Speaker 2>These moves, but also for people to be willing to

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<v Speaker 2>put up posters and send the message to the average

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<v Speaker 2>voter so they know the Greens equals something other than

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<v Speaker 2>what the Greens are putting their own posters up about.

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<v Speaker 15>This is just a fantastic development, the fact that someone

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<v Speaker 15>in the Jewish community that the Hindu community are getting

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<v Speaker 15>together to basically say these people don't represent minorities and

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 15>they may not get a huge number of votes, but

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 15>they're making the point to people putting pressure on the

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 15>Greens to get people to understand that this group that

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 15>tooks a big game are basically a hard left, fanatical,

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 15>extreme pro anarchist organization that are not the friend of

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 15>minorities unless they're Palestinian extremists in this country unfortunately. But

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<v Speaker 15>the bigger question is not so much about the Queensland

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<v Speaker 15>election because we know Steven will be looking for a

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.799
<v Speaker 15>job after the election up there. The bigger question about

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<v Speaker 15>Queensland is the federal seat of Griffith. You keep your

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<v Speaker 15>eye on this seat because Max Chandler Maither, who is

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<v Speaker 15>the Greens member, was only elected because they got Labor

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 15>Party preferences. Right Chandler May they got thirty five percent

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<v Speaker 15>of the primary vote, Labor became third, they preferenced him

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<v Speaker 15>in he won. So hello, mister Albanzi, you're going to

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<v Speaker 15>preference him again and get him elected.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to do that, mister Alberanzi.

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<v Speaker 15>This is the bigger question, not what the Liberals are doing,

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<v Speaker 15>because they've got a principal stand in Queensland and Dutton

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 15>will do the same Australia wide. These people are going last.

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 15>They are extremists who will ruin this country. The question

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<v Speaker 15>is this, Albanize, You're going to have the guts to

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<v Speaker 15>do the right thing by middle Australia and say, yep,

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<v Speaker 15>we agree the Greens are going last. We're preferencing the

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 15>Liberals or is he going to preference the Greens? Because

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<v Speaker 15>if he does, that'll be the end of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and also I agree, But also the thinking is that,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, we've send this kabooki theater of then

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:06.399
<v Speaker 2>pretending to be at war with each other being Labor

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and the Greens, where the reality is that they're always

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<v Speaker 2>going to end up either electing each other to Parliament

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 2>or certainly supporting each other in a parliament. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about what Michael just said.

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<v Speaker 16>I agree with everything that Michael said. I just wish

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:22.879
<v Speaker 16>we had put the Greens last when we gave preferences

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 16>to mister Bant and he got elected on liberal preferences

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 16>and look what we've got as a result. So hopefully

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<v Speaker 16>that mistake will never be made again. But the bottom

0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 16>line is this. The Greens hate the Australian country people.

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 16>They hate the concept of the nation state. They want

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<v Speaker 16>to see the populace dumbed down so that when they

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<v Speaker 16>rise up to be the elitist leaders, they have absolute control.

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 16>And everything about them is almost evil. They are really

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:58.360
<v Speaker 16>bad people and if you listen to their rhetoric, listen

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.359
<v Speaker 16>carefully to what they say, you wouldn't feed them.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course, Albanez, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>We are speaking in metaphors for those that are getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready to write their letter of complaint. We are speaking

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<v Speaker 2>in political.

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<v Speaker 16>Metaphors, yes we are, Yes we are. But the point

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 16>is that they hate Australia. They just hate Australia.

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you know what you think at any time? Send

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 2>men email pull Let's go on neews dot com dot au.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, quick break back.

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>The more plenty to talk about, including a new report

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 2>which exposes just how dirty parts of the Victorian system

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 2>has now become modesty. All right, quick run through the

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 2>rest of the day's news before we get to the

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>late debate about twelve minutes from now with Bromben Bishop

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and with Michael Kruger.

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<v Speaker 1>No sooks, no left.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice and comfortable here this Wednesday evening. Now, a

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 2>survey came out today from the Corruption Commission in Victoria

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 2>about what people in and around the public service of

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Victoria think about potential stench of corruption in Victoria. It

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>won't surprise you that a significant number of people that

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>are in the public service think that they're is a problem.

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:02.800
<v Speaker 1>With widespread corruption.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Michael, what's been fascinating to see here is that

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:13.720
<v Speaker 2>the Corruption Commission, the Commissioner, the former Commissioner multiple reports

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 2>have talked about great corruption where it's not about you know,

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 2>you do this, and I get that. What it ends

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>up being is that basically sort of overtly political decisions.

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Are being made in and around the.

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Public service, which is not meant to be an arm

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 2>of in this case Labor Party.

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:33.000
<v Speaker 1>But that's what's been happening.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the perception is widespread that there's something rotten

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.760
<v Speaker 2>in Victoria, yet every time he gets pointed out, nothing

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:44.319
<v Speaker 2>gets changed, what does that say about Victoria's capacity to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with this problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you might be able to deal with under this government.

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 15>And unfortunately, and I'm not saying for a minute that

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 15>Leandrew's government or the arm government of corrupt. No, no,

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.759
<v Speaker 15>of course, let me say that at the outset. But

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 15>there are perceptions in Victoria things have happened which people

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 15>don't think are proper. A lot of it had to

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 15>do with how the government dealed with COVID and there

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 15>was a Royal Commission which people felt didn't quite get

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 15>to the right answers.

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 4>There were problems.

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<v Speaker 15>With the Labor Party and investigation into the red Shirt scandal,

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 15>and there are many other things that have happened in Victoria.

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 15>Where the public think this labor government have got away

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.919
<v Speaker 15>with murder, and that has just seeped down and there's

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 15>been a lack of loss of confidence in Victoria about

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 15>our system of government, about propriety and integrity and honesty,

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 15>and so many things have happened over this period of

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:38.320
<v Speaker 15>this labor government.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether they were corrupt or.

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.480
<v Speaker 15>Not, the perception is, the perception is that things have

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 15>happened and they've fallen on the wrong side of the line.

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 15>Whether they have or not as a question for the

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 15>criminal courts, but that's the perception, and it's a very

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.800
<v Speaker 15>bad perception to have of any state, and we're copying

0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 15>the brunt of it unfortunately.

0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again particularly you know my central view all

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:04.360
<v Speaker 2>of this again built out of former corruption commissioners talking

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 2>about that gray corruption right, and remember previous premiers said,

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I've never read that letter, I never knew that was around.

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 1>That's where you.

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<v Speaker 2>Need a good upper house and that at the very

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 2>least will have the beginnings of public inquiries. But of

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 2>course Greens, animal justice, cannabis, they end up voting virtually

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 2>every time to shut these things down. They should reverse it.

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the debate today. What did you think

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.239
<v Speaker 2>of JD. Vans because I'm not going to lie. I'm

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 2>not going to muck around. I'm not going to pretend

0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I was always in the corner. He had a terrible

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:39.839
<v Speaker 2>start to his time as a vice presidential candidate. There's

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the dogs and cat staff, there's the childless cat lady.

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Stuff that meant a caricature was built of him. But

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 2>at that debate he absolutely blew it away. But he

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:51.279
<v Speaker 2>blew it all away.

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.760
<v Speaker 1>And people now see him as the handbrake on Trump.

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<v Speaker 16>Well, I liked him from the time I read his book,

0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 16>which I read back in twenty sixteen. I remember I

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:01.320
<v Speaker 16>bought it in.

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:03.240
<v Speaker 1>You did He'll really? I look again, Yes.

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<v Speaker 16>You did, so, I thought today he was a very

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 16>polished performer, very competent, instilled in somebody who is watching

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:13.720
<v Speaker 16>that you can trust.

0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 1>That blook yes.

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 16>And also it shows good succession planning. It shows a

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:24.280
<v Speaker 16>complementarity between Trump and Vance, which just doesn't exist between

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:32.480
<v Speaker 16>Kamelo and stand There's no working synergy there to benefit

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.439
<v Speaker 16>America at all. So I just think what we saw

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 16>was something that gave great confidence. I would think every

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:44.760
<v Speaker 16>Republican would be very happy. As Megan said on Your clip.

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 16>But I thought his ability to finess was also.

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Very good, because I mean, look, the reality of anyone

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 2>with a big and long and complicated life is that

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 2>there are going to be some things that when they

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 2>come back, you either have to turn around and say, yes,

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I was sorry about that, or and if you are

0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>in that position, then it's pretty obvious what the trick is. Yes,

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent wrong. Here's the subject, right, we know

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 2>what happens. But when Waltz was confronted on that China

0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 2>question and again the only grab I played off the

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 2>debate tonight, the fact that the two minute answer went

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>everywhere and nowhere and frankly, just filled you with the

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 2>sense of dread that, honestly I hadn't felt since the

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Biden implosion in the.

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 1>First minutes of that debate.

0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:32.360
<v Speaker 2>It's not as bad because he'll stay on our ticket

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 2>all the rest of it, but it was that bad.

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 1>It was what do you reckon?

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 15>Michael? But I loved your voiceover. I loved your voiceover

0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 15>early in the shade because it just it just pointed

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 15>out that this polybabble waffle just went and on on. Look,

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 15>here's the truth of what happened. Whilst is obviously a

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 15>reasonable person. He plods away, he's a football coach or

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 15>whatever he is. He's probably a nice guys in a

0:46:58.480 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 15>class of his own.

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:00.239
<v Speaker 4>And it showed to day.

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.400
<v Speaker 15>I mean Vance Vance is a class actor, right, Brodwin,

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:05.479
<v Speaker 15>like you, I read that book. What a magic piece

0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:07.320
<v Speaker 15>of writing that is. I mean, the guy's got a

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 15>phenomenal intellect, an extraordinary backstory. You know, he wasn't in

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 15>he was in Dallas the day Kennedy was killed. Obviously,

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 15>Tim Walson, and that was embarrassing. I mean, who says that?

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 15>Who says that?

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 4>What Wald said?

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 15>But anyway, so the truth is it doesn't affect the

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 15>result much historically, but boy.

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:28.920
<v Speaker 4>It's given.

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 15>It's given the Trump Vance ticket a big lift. And Paul,

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 15>you may not have noticed, but you know, I keep

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 15>quoting the betting markets occasionally. The reason you look at

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 15>the betting markets is they don't they don't care who wins.

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 15>They're not biased, they don't give a stuff who wins.

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 15>It's all about the money. So you look at them

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 15>and you know, it's not like a CNN poll or

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:50.520
<v Speaker 15>a ccenn show or whatever. It's you know, they're trying

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 15>to pump up this one, that one. They're trying to

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:55.760
<v Speaker 15>pump up the Democrats. For the first time in six weeks.

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 15>Donald Trump has taken the lead again in the betting

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 15>marks betting markets from Harris, not so much because of

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 15>the debate, but because of what's happening in the Middle East,

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.800
<v Speaker 15>in my opinion, where they think you've got.

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 4>On the one hand, a San Francisco.

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 15>Liberal and a football coach. That's one mob, and then

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 15>you've got that nasty Donald Trump and a very.

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:23.560
<v Speaker 4>Serious player in Vance on the other hand.

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 15>So what is happening in world few of politics is

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 15>affecting the vote in America, and as I said, Trump

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:30.760
<v Speaker 15>is now favorite to win.

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent.

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Also, there is a huge strike which is happening in

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 2>around the docks, meaning nothing's moving off the ports. If

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:37.719
<v Speaker 2>that I mean, that's gone for a couple of days.

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 2>If it goes any longer, well people will start to notice,

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:42.360
<v Speaker 2>and that too will cause its troubles. We're out of

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<v Speaker 2>time for tonight, so thank you very much to former senators,

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.799
<v Speaker 2>future senators and just you for watching stand by for

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<v Speaker 2>the late debate. Megan Kelly on the Shodow Morrick today