Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Think about Happy Wednesday, nozooks, no left This is the
Speaker 2: plan again this evening.
Speaker 1: I look forward to getting into that in the moment
Speaker 1: or two time.
Speaker 2: Now, about these protests, the headlines tonight are that regardless
Speaker 2: of whether they are ruled illegal in the lead up
Speaker 2: to the anniversary of October seventh, they will be marching anyway.
Speaker 1: Now there has been a weekly march.
Speaker 2: At times they have been more peaceful than not, but
Speaker 2: at other times there have been plenty of people who
Speaker 2: have been willing to drown out the messages about the
Speaker 2: people of Palestine. Now you know where this is gone
Speaker 2: since Hesbalah and its leader was killed a couple of
Speaker 2: days ago, and particularly the nonsense that you saw on
Speaker 2: the streets of Sydney and Melbourne last weekend. Now, as
Speaker 2: you know, I always trying to sort of talk about
Speaker 2: Australia first, and I know that there is a lot
Speaker 2: to talk about this All the time, I try to
Speaker 2: talk about lots of other things that are around, not
Speaker 2: because I don't care about this issue, but because I
Speaker 2: try to offer you a little bit of a different
Speaker 2: take come this time of the night. But there is
Speaker 2: something that is really important to say about these protests.
Speaker 2: There are of course a collection of high profile people
Speaker 2: who say they absolutely should not be taking place, and
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: Court orders need to be sought and I don't think
Speaker 3: anyone in law.
Speaker 4: Enforcement wants to see these protests go ahead.
Speaker 5: Hope that Victoria can follow suit with the new South
Speaker 5: Wales police application to the court to stop what would
Speaker 5: be a grotesque gathering to celebrate the death of the
Speaker 5: slaughter of twelve hundred people in Israel.
Speaker 6: All rights have limits, and in our society we need
Speaker 6: to balance certain rights.
Speaker 2: And there are the lone voices in mainstream politics who
Speaker 2: say that they should go ahead at a fairly obviously
Speaker 2: provocative time, with the most recent version of these protests
Speaker 2: involving people who were waving the flags and wearing terrorist symbols,
Speaker 2: I mean alter At the end of the day, we
Speaker 2: are a Western liberal democracy and people.
Speaker 1: Have a right to protest. That is our hallmark of
Speaker 1: our society.
Speaker 2: Now, of course you may will have the right to protest,
Speaker 2: but as a Western democracy we have every right to
Speaker 2: say that the types of symbols which people bring to
Speaker 2: the protest are acceptable and not acceptable. We have lived
Speaker 2: through an absolute nonsense of the past couple of years
Speaker 2: that when the government wants to crack down they will
Speaker 2: arrest women in their pajamas for posting about protests on Facebook.
Speaker 1: We've seen rubber bullets.
Speaker 2: Fired at people who broke curfew during COVID at the
Speaker 2: War Memorial in Melbourne. We have seen the absolute heavy
Speaker 2: handedness of guaranteeing that anyone turning up to a planned
Speaker 2: protest during COVID, well, of course those people were not
Speaker 2: allowed to get on a train, and if they did
Speaker 2: get on a train, they'd be arrested for getting Well,
Speaker 2: if they want to crack down, they can crack down,
Speaker 2: but as we know multiple times, they have chosen not to.
Speaker 2: And even when we go back to the nonsense of
Speaker 2: the Opera House, which obviously was a celebration of what
Speaker 2: had happened on October the seventh, now again, if you
Speaker 2: step down and go through the detail, the protests that
Speaker 2: have existed for largely much of the fifty two weeks
Speaker 2: are apparently in support of those who are living in
Speaker 2: places like Gaza. So okay, they have their right to protest,
Speaker 2: whether you agree with it or not. But just like
Speaker 2: the celebration of what happened on October the seventh out
Speaker 2: the front of the Opera House when it was the
Speaker 2: Jewish community's moment to mourn. These were not approved, There
Speaker 2: was no approval given to those protests. But police did
Speaker 2: not shut them down. Police did not shut them down
Speaker 2: in the fashion in which they would have shut down
Speaker 2: any other form of protest because, and I'll be very direct,
Speaker 2: their fear was that if they did stop people from
Speaker 2: marching from the town hall to a thirty minute march
Speaker 2: down to the Opera House, that the shops would have
Speaker 2: been bashed up along the way. Now again police have
Speaker 2: shown and this is a very pro police show, but
Speaker 2: the upper echelons of the police have decided that one
Speaker 2: group of people will cop the rubber bullets, others well will.
Speaker 1: What can we possibly do? So here is the solution.
Speaker 2: If these people do choose to protest at a time
Speaker 2: which is clearly insensitive, clearly provocative, then let's follow the
Speaker 2: model that both New so Whales and Victoria have already
Speaker 2: put in place for organizations that required extra police to
Speaker 2: turn up because of potential conflicts. Firstly, remember mate Nigel
Speaker 2: Farage came to Australia and he and the promoters of
Speaker 2: his tour were literally handed the bill for the police
Speaker 2: to be outside of that event because the protesters were
Speaker 2: going to cause trouble. Meantime, in Victoria, when Milo Uanopolis
Speaker 2: was hosting again a private event, you buy a ticket
Speaker 2: that because the rabble turns up, the police have to
Speaker 2: deal with the rabble. And the bill was sent to
Speaker 2: the organizers of the talkfest that Eanopolis was involved with.
Speaker 1: So here's the solution.
Speaker 2: Send the bill for this weekend to the people and
Speaker 2: organizations that are going to defy the court orders. They
Speaker 2: are very freely identifiable on the Internet. They put out
Speaker 2: press releases with telephone numbers at the bottom of them,
Speaker 2: so you can call the organizers. The organizers have the
Speaker 2: capacity to be interviewed at a moment noticed by the men.
Speaker 2: If they march this weekend, send them the bill. Now,
Speaker 2: the bill can be as little as three thousand dollars
Speaker 2: when it came to the scenario involving Nigel Ferrage. It
Speaker 2: can be fifty thousand dollars when it came to the
Speaker 2: Malo Unanopolis thing, or would the crazy protests that the
Speaker 2: nutters put on in Melbourne a few weeks ago, when
Speaker 2: that weapons expo was in play. Remember when members of
Speaker 2: the media were being turned on and they were going nuts. Well,
Speaker 2: the Saturday Herald Sun claims that that whole thing cost
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars. Thirty million dollars in terms of police time.
Speaker 1: Now, will they pay the bill?
Speaker 2: Most probably not, But there's then a proceeding that you
Speaker 2: can go after organizations and individuals who refuse to pay
Speaker 2: those bills. Now, let's see whether an uneven police hierarchy
Speaker 2: will respond to the protest.
Speaker 1: COVID bad this okay, because there's too many people to
Speaker 1: push back on.
Speaker 2: Whether they'll send a bill to people who book a hall,
Speaker 2: sell tickets and speak nothing else. But because people want
Speaker 2: to protest, the people inside the hall or the person speaking.
Speaker 1: At the hall, they get sent the bill.
Speaker 2: Not the protesters who do the damage, but the people
Speaker 2: organizing the event. Let's see whether that happens between now
Speaker 2: and then. Let's get that question asked of the premiers of.
Speaker 1: NIWS, wl Was and Victoria.
Speaker 2: Will the organizations that plan to defy the courts if
Speaker 2: the courts say you cannot march, will they be.
Speaker 1: Sent the bill?
Speaker 2: I think we both know what the answer may be,
Speaker 2: but let's hold out some hope that between now and
Speaker 2: the end of the week, when this thing becomes a
Speaker 2: virtual inevitability, the position is clear, and everyone knows if
Speaker 2: they choose to turn up, a bill will be coming
Speaker 2: their way and they will have to pay it. Now,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the vice presidential debate which took place
Speaker 2: in the United States today. Now, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: do my usual thing where I'm going to show you
Speaker 2: nine hundred different pieces of clips and evidence and then
Speaker 2: I'm going to turn around and show you all this
Speaker 2: polling information and all the rest of it. Right, I'm
Speaker 2: going to show you the most bald faced version of
Speaker 2: a politician lying on a global scale, and it's that
Speaker 2: bloke Tim Waltz. Now, Tim Waltz loves telling stories about
Speaker 2: his past, and many of them are just not true.
Speaker 2: There may be a sort of grain of truth somewhere,
Speaker 2: but he always finds a way to spin the story up,
Speaker 2: like a fishing story, to be bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1: But I'm like.
Speaker 2: Somebody b sing about how big the fish was that
Speaker 2: caught this weekend. This is a bloke who wants to
Speaker 2: be a heartbeat away from the presidency and the person
Speaker 2: who Kamala Harris thinks should help govern the biggest democracy, well,
Speaker 2: certainly the most significant democracy in the Western world. This
Speaker 2: was the question that he was asked by the moderators today.
Speaker 7: Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during
Speaker 7: the deadly Tieneman Square protests in the spring of nineteen
Speaker 7: eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets
Speaker 7: are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
Speaker 7: August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy.
Speaker 2: It's not a discrepancy, it's a lie. It's middle stump.
Speaker 2: He's been caught, and he's been caught on national and
Speaker 2: therefore international television.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: I would normally show you lots of little things, but
Speaker 2: this is the insight into the bloke who has told
Speaker 2: lies all the way to get up the greasy pole,
Speaker 2: but now is telling lies about himself in order to
Speaker 2: take the ultimate step, which is to be working in
Speaker 2: the White House.
Speaker 1: This is his full answer. You heard the question.
Speaker 2: Here's his absolute non answer, wrapped in a lie, wrapped
Speaker 2: in a look over there a rabbit.
Speaker 1: I grew up in.
Speaker 8: Small rural Nebraska, a town of four hundred town that
Speaker 8: you rode your bike with your buddies. Still the street
Speaker 8: lights come on, and I wish was that China. I
Speaker 8: joined the National Guard at seventeen two Caves Farms, and
Speaker 8: then I use the GI Bill to become a teacher,
Speaker 8: passion about it a young China subject. First year out,
Speaker 8: I got the in the summer of a question you
Speaker 8: told people be able to square home became the blood.
Speaker 1: You hadn't even been the Aisia.
Speaker 8: We would pay, we would take baseball teams, we would
Speaker 8: take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China.
Speaker 8: The issue for that was was to try and learn. Now, look,
Speaker 8: my community knows who I am.
Speaker 1: They saw I know who you are. They I will
Speaker 1: be the.
Speaker 8: First to tell you I have poured my heart into
Speaker 8: my community. I've tried to do the best I can.
Speaker 8: You had the question perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times,
Speaker 8: but it's always been about that. Those same people elected
Speaker 8: me to Congress for twelve years, and in Congress I
Speaker 8: was one of the most bipartisan people, working on things
Speaker 8: like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits,
Speaker 8: and then the people of Minnesota were able to elect
Speaker 8: me to governor twice. So look, my commitment has been
Speaker 8: from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for
Speaker 8: the people, to make sure.
Speaker 1: That I get this right.
Speaker 8: I will say, more than anything, A lot of times
Speaker 8: I have been ali.
Speaker 2: I will not the rhetoric, but I'm qualified to be
Speaker 2: the impact vice president of the United State.
Speaker 1: In my life, I learned a lot about China.
Speaker 8: I hear the critiques of this. I would make the
Speaker 8: case that Donald Trump should have come on one of
Speaker 8: those trips with us and.
Speaker 1: Go way, go, way, go go. Say that that goes
Speaker 1: on for another minute.
Speaker 2: By the way, now, what he should have done is
Speaker 2: when anyone is caught in a stone cold lie in life,
Speaker 2: it's pretty simple. Sorry, shouldn't have said it instead? Because
Speaker 2: these people are so used to no one, no one
Speaker 2: putting pressure on them, they just think they can be
Speaker 2: as their way through it. And largely there were plenty
Speaker 2: of people in the media today in the postgame who
Speaker 2: didn't even bring that moment up, but of course it
Speaker 2: was Bam.
Speaker 1: You know, you're blowing the Teneman square question when you
Speaker 1: look more nervous than the dudes staring down the tank.
Speaker 2: At least they did, and it was a good joke, unbelievable, right,
Speaker 2: by the way, as for who won the debate, Vance
Speaker 2: won the debate.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I didn't think he was going to.
Speaker 2: I thought that Tim Watson had had some sort of
Speaker 2: special superpower that he'd been hiding for a long period
Speaker 2: of time. He's been through many debates, governor, running for Parliament,
Speaker 2: the House multiple times. But Jade Evans just knocked him out,
Speaker 2: just started playing with him now. He was, Yes, the
Speaker 2: most level headed version of Jade Vance that many people
Speaker 2: have ever seen, myself included. But in the end, who
Speaker 2: cares when everyone from the New York Times to the
Speaker 2: Daily Mail say that you won, and our dear friend
Speaker 2: Megan Kelly couldn't hide her excitement at how well Ants
Speaker 2: deed and how polly that liar went.
Speaker 9: The moderators were not much better. They were a little
Speaker 9: better than ABC News, but JD. Vance put on a
Speaker 9: master class in how to handle biased moderators and a
Speaker 9: lying opponent. And it was a thing of beauty. It's beautiful.
Speaker 4: It was like.
Speaker 9: Every Republican or Republican voter or person who in this
Speaker 9: case is rooting for Trump knows exactly what I am
Speaker 9: feeling right now, which is just thank God.
Speaker 2: Now as for her guests in the post game. The
Speaker 2: bloke who's in the business suit, he's the straight journalist.
Speaker 2: The very smiley guy is the Democrat. The guy in
Speaker 2: the middle of Sean Spicer, who you know used to
Speaker 2: work as the press secretary for Donald Trump, and of
Speaker 2: course a regular guest with my mate Andrew Bolt on
Speaker 2: his program. And all of them thought exactly the Simons.
Speaker 1: Megan. I thought Tim Walls worked a little overwhelmed.
Speaker 10: He looked, frankly, a little small and simple.
Speaker 2: I think he's lucky that he was bailed out by
Speaker 2: the moderators, because he what was a mismatch had been
Speaker 2: a massacre had it been a level playing field.
Speaker 1: His performance was shaky.
Speaker 11: So how do you expect Tim Waltz, who frankly is
Speaker 11: handicapped from doing a good job to begin with, because
Speaker 11: he wasn't a good debater, to articulate somebody else's positions
Speaker 11: that he doesn't know, she doesn't know.
Speaker 6: Walls did seem unsteady and frankly. What I saw in
Speaker 6: Walls is somebody who has not faced questions on a
Speaker 6: national stage since he became the Democratic nominee. It was
Speaker 6: simply out of practice.
Speaker 2: So now it's two from two when the media played
Speaker 2: alone with the Harrison Waltz game of no serious interviews,
Speaker 2: no press conferences. Eventually, the people aren't match feet for
Speaker 2: when they have to get into the ring and have
Speaker 2: to divide their case. In Jade Vance's case, he's done
Speaker 2: something like one hundred, literally one hundred different interviews since
Speaker 2: being named as Donald Trump's running mate. One was match fit.
Speaker 2: One thought that they could coast as Again, one of
Speaker 2: those people said, if it wasn't for the moderators and
Speaker 2: one of whom was just a bismol abismol, then it
Speaker 2: would have been even more obvious. But by the way,
Speaker 2: the CNN poll, which you may will have heard, was
Speaker 2: fifty one to forty nine in favor of Jade Vance.
Speaker 2: They oversampled Democrats by five percent, so he won, and
Speaker 2: he won by a much bigger margin, but statistically that's
Speaker 2: why it ended up at fifty one forty nine. But
Speaker 2: as for the mega lefties over on MSNBC, well, this
Speaker 2: was their review to what you just saw.
Speaker 12: I think the big picture takeaway from this is that
Speaker 12: one of these candidates is much slicker than the other,
Speaker 12: is a much more practiced kind of professional debate style speaker,
Speaker 12: and the other candidate.
Speaker 2: One, sorry, the guy who's asked directly about a lie
Speaker 2: exposed on national international television takes us for a ride
Speaker 2: through his childhood and.
Speaker 1: Bikes and not answering the question.
Speaker 2: A little bit like Kamala Harris with so, how are
Speaker 2: you going to fix the economy? Well, middle class and
Speaker 2: lawns and all that other garbage that was thrown out there, honestly,
Speaker 2: just but that's the world they live in, Megan Kelly
Speaker 2: on the show tomorrow night. Now, there is a chance
Speaker 2: that the current Prime minister may be about as politically
Speaker 2: smart as a former prime minister.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 2: Anthony Abenezy, well, he believes that he's got a special
Speaker 2: connection with the Australian people and no matter what he does,
Speaker 2: he will end up winning in the end, which reminds
Speaker 2: me a little bit of the Ghost, because you see,
Speaker 2: remember the Ghost in twenty and sixteen decided to call
Speaker 2: a double disillusion election.
Speaker 1: This meant that all of.
Speaker 2: The senators were up for grad and of course the
Speaker 2: Senate cross bench became even wilder.
Speaker 1: To deal with. But he was playing four in chess
Speaker 1: because I am so amazing and have a leather jacket. Well,
Speaker 1: Anthony Abernezi is getting ready to pull a Turnbull.
Speaker 2: You couldn't go to a d D though, well probably
Speaker 2: won't go to a d D because it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: a great result for you, would it.
Speaker 3: Well, well, wait and see.
Speaker 2: So a double disilusion I've said before, Bring it on.
Speaker 2: The poles couldn't be worse for the government right now,
Speaker 2: They couldn't be worse personally for the Prime Minister right now.
Speaker 2: But still the threat is out there. You see, if
Speaker 2: the same piece of legislation is rejected twice by the
Speaker 2: Senate in a certain period of time, then the government
Speaker 2: is allowed to go to an election, where not just
Speaker 2: everyone downstairs in the House of Representatives, but everyone upstairs
Speaker 2: in the Senate all goes to an election at the
Speaker 2: same time. But the fourteen percent of the vote quota
Speaker 2: that you need to become a senator, well it drops
Speaker 2: down by half, which guarantees there would be multiple Jackie
Speaker 2: Lamby's in the Parliament. There'd be multiple people from one nation,
Speaker 2: there would be relatively easy re elect for the United
Speaker 2: Australia Party, and there'd be a whole lot more that
Speaker 2: would blow out a cross bench that has already rejected
Speaker 2: something once. But there'd be more of them to reject
Speaker 2: it a second time, So of course there is no need.
Speaker 1: For the double disillusion election.
Speaker 2: Yet guess what they're bringing back the bill, So just
Speaker 2: in case the double d.
Speaker 1: Bluff is still on the table.
Speaker 2: Clara O'Neill, clueless Claire who's now the Housing Minister after
Speaker 2: stuffing up our borders, now she wants to screw up housing.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has left it, left that really open
Speaker 2: and it's a serious proposition because we're serious about addressing.
Speaker 1: The housing crisis.
Speaker 2: Are you really remember we showed you last night just
Speaker 2: what thirteen thousand new dwellings have been approved in August.
Speaker 2: In fact, only a third in the past couple of
Speaker 2: years since they became the government of dwellings had been
Speaker 2: approved to match the immigration numbers.
Speaker 1: But nothing to see here.
Speaker 2: And again the Prime Minister may need to be aware
Speaker 2: of his own polling here because while he thinks our
Speaker 2: laborer win will win in the end, it doesn't even
Speaker 2: matter if we're a minority. He is below water in
Speaker 2: terms of what Australians think of his leadership right now.
Speaker 2: So if he thinks that Australians are ready for a
Speaker 2: however many week election, campaign where it's all elbow all
Speaker 2: the time. This is where he's starting from. In News poll,
Speaker 2: fifty two percent of people disapprove, he is eight points
Speaker 2: under water in terms of approval and disapproval, and the
Speaker 2: Resolve Pole fifty three percent of people say he's doing
Speaker 2: a poor, very poor job, and even over in the
Speaker 2: Turnabul Times the Guardian poll, only forty two percent of
Speaker 2: people approve of him and his leadership at this moment.
Speaker 2: But of course Anthony Albernizi and much of the people
Speaker 2: who cover him in them or hold the water for
Speaker 2: him in that canbra bubble, well, they all think that,
Speaker 2: of course he's guaranteed to just increase his majority, not
Speaker 2: go backwards, which is what every single pole is predicting
Speaker 2: right now, and that's.
Speaker 1: Because of course he's running against Peter Dutton and.
Speaker 2: The ugur booger factor of the daily drum beat of
Speaker 2: fear they try to raise about the alternative prime Minister. Well,
Speaker 2: the Turmble Times again more than happy to report that
Speaker 2: Albaneze he says that Dutton thinks politics is all about testosterone.
Speaker 2: As character attacks escalate, this is the Prime Minister again
Speaker 2: fighting with the caricature of Peter Dutton, rather than the
Speaker 2: bloke who in some poles is even leading him as
Speaker 2: preferred Prime minister.
Speaker 3: My government works through issues in an orderly consistent way
Speaker 3: and when we make a decision, we pursue it. But
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton hasn't called for an end to all gambling
Speaker 3: ads and so I'm not quite sure where he's coming
Speaker 3: from except his mucho stance. He thinks that politics is
Speaker 3: all about testosterone. Well, it's about getting things right and
Speaker 3: making the right decisions for the right reasons, and we
Speaker 3: will do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the two little too late tax cuts, increasing the
Speaker 2: overall spend of the budget into welfare, building in a
Speaker 2: structural deficit that your own treasury says will put us
Speaker 2: into deficit every year between now and the twenty sixties,
Speaker 2: bringing in the best part of a Midian people in
Speaker 2: a couple of years, when clearly the only reason to
Speaker 2: do that is to prop up the federal budget because
Speaker 2: the rental cues and every other queue in Australia is
Speaker 2: already too long for people to find a house. I know,
Speaker 2: but they're logical and achieving wonderful things. And then again
Speaker 2: there's this nonsense which turned up yesterday from Tony Burke.
Speaker 2: We all know why Tony burk Turki is desperate to
Speaker 2: change the subject from any sort of accountability for people
Speaker 2: who are born in this country who are part of
Speaker 2: the protests that we've been talking about the past few days. Instead,
Speaker 2: he's trying to pretend that all of these protesters can
Speaker 2: be deported. They can't be because in many cases, as
Speaker 2: I say, they were born here and in some cases
Speaker 2: they're from his electorate.
Speaker 13: With Peter Dudden, it is always about the Middle East
Speaker 13: and never about Middle Australia. The moment, it's about something
Speaker 13: on the other side of the world. Peter Dunden wants
Speaker 13: to talk about that and nothing else.
Speaker 2: Now you notice the by the way that they're playing
Speaker 2: home games on Radio National. That's how big a trouble
Speaker 2: layer in right now. That the labor ministers are trying
Speaker 2: to go to the place where the easiest questions will
Speaker 2: be asked, and then the turbul times will turn around
Speaker 2: and dutifully right up the attack line of the day.
Speaker 2: They're not venturing outside the most bubbly bit of the
Speaker 2: camera bubble. But while he talks about the obsession with
Speaker 2: the Middle East, we do know that we're talking about
Speaker 2: protests that have happened in Australia where people have been
Speaker 2: holding the terrorist symbols, where people were mourning the death
Speaker 2: of the terrorist. It's not a conversation about the Middle East.
Speaker 2: It's a conversation about Australia and what we're willing to
Speaker 2: put up with in Australia. But of course Peter Dutton's
Speaker 2: the problem now. Last night I told you a story
Speaker 2: about Tony Armstrong. Now, Tony Armstrong is a very popular
Speaker 2: gentleman and he is a host over there on Channel
Speaker 2: two and he's sort of moving from the news side
Speaker 2: of things to the entertainment side of things. And as
Speaker 2: we told you, there was a little story done by,
Speaker 2: of course, my mate, none other than the wonderful Jeanine Perrott.
Speaker 2: You remember here almost every night during the first few
Speaker 2: years of this program. A dear friend of mine never
Speaker 2: hired it and she's been filling in on the Media
Speaker 2: Watch program and she was able to reveal that his
Speaker 2: little side gig while We're looking for the ABC was
Speaker 2: doing ads for an insurance company.
Speaker 14: He's not only on the breakfast TV couch. In recent
Speaker 14: months he's appeared at night on a new sports show.
Speaker 14: He's one of many appearing in ABC News promos and
Speaker 14: the face of his own five part series, So.
Speaker 8: Come with me on my hunt for our most Extraordinary Things.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 14: So we were stunned when we got confirmation that Tony
Speaker 14: was selling an insurance company as well, with Tony's voice
Speaker 14: also embedded in these sponsored ad breaks during nine News.
Speaker 4: And our remain Insurance a help company.
Speaker 14: Now, plenty of ABC stars are engaged in outside work,
Speaker 14: often as MC's at corporate events. But putting aside whether
Speaker 14: doing such corporate work is advisable and for ABC journalists,
Speaker 14: we think it is problematic. Voicing the commercial is a
Speaker 14: whole different game.
Speaker 2: So middle stump right in the same way that media
Speaker 2: watch has got many middle stumps some people in the commercial,
Speaker 2: Well they got a middle stump on an A star
Speaker 2: and credit to them for taking on a very significant,
Speaker 2: very well protected person over there at Channel two. Well,
Speaker 2: now the response the race card is being played by
Speaker 2: his boss. The ABC News director is calling out racist
Speaker 2: attacks on Tony Armstrong and criticizes inflammatory mainstream media. And
Speaker 2: remember the story was broken by the ABC on the ABC.
Speaker 2: But the ABC News director, Justin Stevens, has called out
Speaker 2: the racist abuse Tony Armstrong has received saying the Indigenous
Speaker 2: presenter has been targeted on social media and in comments
Speaker 2: on news sites in a despicable way. Now again, anyone
Speaker 2: who is abusing him in that fashion, you shouldn't do it.
Speaker 2: Don't do it on social media, don't do it in
Speaker 2: the comments section. But to pretend that everyone but the
Speaker 2: ABC is all involved in some sort of artificial pylon
Speaker 2: for a person who you use in your news promos,
Speaker 2: who then turns around and as a side gig is
Speaker 2: flowing commercial products over on your rivals, like say Channel nine,
Speaker 2: then I'm sorry you're not going to be able to
Speaker 2: play the race card on this one, but no doubt
Speaker 2: it will continue to happen. And by the way, what
Speaker 2: I talked about when it was this last night or
Speaker 2: the Cydney Morning Herald with their COVID inquiry where they
Speaker 2: concluded everything that we said on Sky News and myself
Speaker 2: in particular was one hundred percent right about why lockdowns
Speaker 2: were too harsh, and of course they didn't admit at
Speaker 2: all the fault in their reporting. So the response to
Speaker 2: calling out this very obvious weird standard at the ABC
Speaker 2: or calling out the turmbul times as frequently as I do,
Speaker 2: or calling out the Channel one newspapers as I do,
Speaker 2: means they'll all be coming back to try to crack
Speaker 2: at us or specifically at me. So if you do
Speaker 2: read anything in the next few weeks, that's why, not
Speaker 2: what they're able to invent, but that's why they're writing it.
Speaker 2: As I said, I don't have many friends anymore outside
Speaker 2: of this building in the Australian media because as somebody
Speaker 2: who always dreamt of working in this business, as somebody
Speaker 2: who's had the honor of being able to work in
Speaker 2: this business, we owe it to you to be honest
Speaker 2: about the failings of this business. At times when they're
Speaker 2: legitimate and they are mine, I'll own them like I
Speaker 2: have in the past, because when you're broadcast five days
Speaker 2: a week for basically eleven months of the year, hundreds
Speaker 2: of shows, you do get things wrong from time to
Speaker 2: time and a couple of bin doozies. But I've always
Speaker 2: apologized for it. The idea that nobody apologizes for this,
Speaker 2: just like nobody apologizes for the COVID coverage, well that's
Speaker 2: what pisces me off, which is why I fire up
Speaker 2: in the manner that I do. But as we also
Speaker 2: told you last night the ABC in addition to underpaying
Speaker 2: its staff by millions of dollars over multiple years, in
Speaker 2: addition to problems when it comes to sexual harassment in
Speaker 2: their own news division, they also had the report last week.
Speaker 2: This week, I should say about issues when it comes
Speaker 2: to racism, systemic baked in racism, in the way the
Speaker 2: organization works and what some of the people are doing
Speaker 2: inside the organization. So the boss of Channel two went
Speaker 2: on to one of the ABC programs and went through
Speaker 2: a struggle session. Have a look at this being laid
Speaker 2: on rather thick.
Speaker 10: Hello, welcome Jinjawler in the language of my ancestors, the
Speaker 10: Bungelong people of the far North coast of New South Wales.
Speaker 10: Thank you Managing Director David Anderson for joining us here
Speaker 10: on this really momentous occasion. Is really significant that we
Speaker 10: take the opportunity to step into this new space as
Speaker 10: I would like to call it, that's been created today
Speaker 10: where we reflect on the legacy of what has been
Speaker 10: reflected on in this review and the steps that are
Speaker 10: being outlined in terms of how we move forward as
Speaker 10: an organization. So in recognition of that, just acknowledging, we're
Speaker 10: here today on gadigil country, paying respects to elders past
Speaker 10: and present, and just respecting the manner in which that
Speaker 10: we have this conversation to start off with, David Anderson,
Speaker 10: for you as managing director, coming through this process from
Speaker 10: fifteen months ago when this was announced, what are you
Speaker 10: reflecting on today as you step through the testimony of
Speaker 10: some one hundred and twenty ABC staff who have shared
Speaker 10: some really deeply painful moments of their experience here working
Speaker 10: at the ABC.
Speaker 1: Thanks Miriam.
Speaker 10: Look, I'd also like to acknowledge the traditional custodians the
Speaker 10: land upon which we're meeting today, the gatical people of
Speaker 10: the Aora nation.
Speaker 1: And pay my respects to elders past and present.
Speaker 2: Wow, quick break, plenty more to talk about, No sooks,
Speaker 2: no lefties this evening. Michael Kroger and Roman Bishop will
Speaker 2: be joining us about a whole lot more when it
Speaker 2: comes to Australia, the United States, the world, all of it.
Speaker 2: But I promise you you're in exactly the right place
Speaker 2: and you're not going anywhere for at least the next
Speaker 2: thirty minutes. Thanks very much for watching. No looks, no
Speaker 2: lefties tonight. Apologies The wonderful Bromber Bishop carry over a
Speaker 2: champ as always on a Wednesday night. This will throw
Speaker 2: all of the lefties that I hate watching tonight taking
Speaker 2: their notes down for the weekly Whatevers, and the wonderful
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger joining us from Melbourne as well. Now, let's
Speaker 2: start with you first, Michael, about that struggle session with
Speaker 2: the boss of the ABC now now again right that
Speaker 2: they've got the report, it shows they have a problem
Speaker 2: and he has to try to go out there and
Speaker 2: say okay, I get it now. Literally when you watch
Speaker 2: that presentation, there was one anchor who throws to another
Speaker 2: anchor and that's the person who you saw interviewing him.
Speaker 2: And then after all of that then he of course
Speaker 2: responds with welcome to country. I do think that's called
Speaker 2: a struggle session.
Speaker 4: Made.
Speaker 15: I agree with what everyone watching this program misthinking themselves.
Speaker 15: That video speaks for itself and there's nothing you can
Speaker 15: usefully add to that except to say that is there
Speaker 15: any wonder that the ABC's ratings are at pretty well
Speaker 15: record lows. It's good in Country Australia, Rural Australia because
Speaker 15: they liked their local rural ABC radio. But most things
Speaker 15: coming out of the ABC in Sydney and Melbourne. The
Speaker 15: ratings are in the toilet and you want to know why.
Speaker 4: That's why.
Speaker 2: But also remember, you know, way back when when there
Speaker 2: was like teachers strikes, when I was going to school,
Speaker 2: when there were teacher strikes and there was like closed
Speaker 2: circuit television meetings that were being sort of shown at
Speaker 2: all the pubs at insert state, it felt like all
Speaker 2: of that was just for all the people watching monitors
Speaker 2: in the building, none of the people actually watching the
Speaker 2: television at the time.
Speaker 16: Well, I have long advocated that the Act that governs
Speaker 16: the ABC should be changed to make the Charter enforceable.
Speaker 1: Yes, and let me tell you what.
Speaker 16: The charter says that they shall broadcast programs that contribute
Speaker 16: to a sense of national identity and inform and entertain
Speaker 16: and reflect cultural diversity of the Australian community. That interview
Speaker 16: that you've just shown did none of that. But it
Speaker 16: goes on to say at the bottom of the charter,
Speaker 16: despite it all being set out there, that nobody can
Speaker 16: actually take legal action to make them do it. Now,
Speaker 16: if you changed that and actually inserted a provision that
Speaker 16: it could be legally enforceable, you might start to get
Speaker 16: some proper results, Yes, because that demonstration we just saw
Speaker 16: was a disgrace.
Speaker 2: Now again, right, he has every right, as the boss
Speaker 2: of an organization that's just going to report about what
Speaker 2: is going on inside his organization, to turn around and
Speaker 2: try to reassure his organization that he's going.
Speaker 1: To change it. The idea that we all were forced
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 2: Along felt to me quite well, as Michael says, stands
Speaker 2: for itself.
Speaker 1: But I completely agree.
Speaker 2: Now, what about the four D chess that the Ghost
Speaker 2: was playing and eventually a double disillusion where he of
Speaker 2: course almost lost his majority, in fact barely held on
Speaker 2: to it in twenty sixteen. Well, apparently an early election
Speaker 2: based off a housing bill may well be the exact
Speaker 2: same or worse result for Anthony Albernezi, because unlike the Ghost,
Speaker 2: he's not starting with a landslide like the one Tobdy
Speaker 2: Habbit handed him in two thousand and or that was
Speaker 2: taken from him after the twenty thirteen election, or of.
Speaker 1: Course in the case of.
Speaker 2: Rudd and it being taken from him and Gillard of
Speaker 2: course peddling it up against the wall. He's got two,
Speaker 2: remember two, he's on seventy six as a majority that
Speaker 2: he's got to spare two more because he's on seventy eight.
Speaker 2: So what four d chess or is it just Titley
Speaker 2: Winks is currently going on with the government pretending they
Speaker 2: may well have double dissolusion, which of course will explode
Speaker 2: across bench, making it even harder to get something through
Speaker 2: the Senate.
Speaker 15: Michael made he's on seventy eight, but as I said
Speaker 15: to you, he's actually on sixty seven. Come election day,
Speaker 15: Dutton's on seventy two already, and I think Dutton's going higher.
Speaker 15: I don't want to upset my friend Stephen Conry because
Speaker 15: when I say seventy two, he has a migrain. So
Speaker 15: given that he's probably not watching at this minute because
Speaker 15: it's passed his bedtime, Dutton's probably on seventy four by now.
Speaker 4: But anyway, I don't say that to Stephen.
Speaker 15: Look, this bloke, Albanize's polls are getting worse every day,
Speaker 15: as we keep saying, he's in free fall. This has
Speaker 15: been another disaster week for him, starting off with the
Speaker 15: capital gains tax that no one asked for. Maybe they
Speaker 15: did it was just their own work and Treasury et cetera,
Speaker 15: et cetera. He did no charms. I mean, what a
Speaker 15: complete chamozol over a serious issue. Now he's towing with
Speaker 15: the idea of a double dissolution. He told Andrews, now
Speaker 15: we have to wait and see. Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 15: that you don't have to wait, and you don't have
Speaker 15: to see. He ain't calling a double dissolution elections right
Speaker 15: because the quator from the Senate zero chance? What was that,
Speaker 15: you know, Steve what was his own carew Carrell? In anyways,
Speaker 15: Seve Grell, he said zero chants when he sat at
Speaker 15: the back of that mortgage breakers meeting. In the big
Speaker 15: short the quota in the Senate goes from fourteen point
Speaker 15: three percent to get a senator elected, it's a seven
Speaker 15: point seven percent. So it's much easier for minor parties
Speaker 15: to get elected in a Senate in a double which
Speaker 15: means the cross bench effectively in the Senate will be
Speaker 15: larger than it is now. Its grandmother's fruitcake now to
Speaker 15: be three fruitcakes. So Albow ain't going to do that,
Speaker 15: and he ain't going to call election anytime soon because
Speaker 15: if he does, he'll get flogged. A zero chance. There's
Speaker 15: zero chances to him holding his majority. You know, I've
Speaker 15: been saying this for months, there's zero chances to him
Speaker 15: going in his own right. And if he called an
Speaker 15: election anytime soon, will it be ringing? Adam Ban saying,
Speaker 15: all of the given forgiven.
Speaker 16: There's a couple of reasons, Michael, why Mike carls Early.
Speaker 1: Oh you think you think you could actually press the.
Speaker 16: Button, but not a double dissolution ife anything else, says
Speaker 16: the interesting question that section fifty seven of the Constitution says,
Speaker 16: and that the Senate must the bill must fail to pass.
Speaker 16: Now whether postponing a vote to November, as the Greens
Speaker 16: and Coalition.
Speaker 1: First trigger little on the second is a moot.
Speaker 16: Point and they've got to ask the Governor General and
Speaker 16: convince him it's part in the sky. But the reason
Speaker 16: he might be interested in having an early election is
Speaker 16: I kept thinking he will is because you've already got
Speaker 16: other contenders who think they'll make better prime ministers starting
Speaker 16: to count numbers. You've got the snake Charmer, You've got Burke,
Speaker 16: and you've got Tanya Plibusak, who's busy out there say
Speaker 16: look at me, look at me, look at me. So
Speaker 16: if he wants to say, well, I'm going to go
Speaker 16: off there and he can go, he can just call it.
Speaker 16: And the second thing is, you know, when he mucked
Speaker 16: up like he's doing now in the lead up to
Speaker 16: the last election, he used to send him off on COVID.
Speaker 1: Lead Cod's had to disappear for a week.
Speaker 16: He's he's got COVID. They can't do that now there's
Speaker 16: no there's no disease that they can send him out of.
Speaker 1: I had forgotten about it. This is why the institutional
Speaker 1: memory of view too. I love it, and I love
Speaker 1: it here each and every week right now. In the
Speaker 1: Queensland election, well.
Speaker 2: Under the Liberal Party because they made the decision Greens
Speaker 2: go last, right, That's exactly what the position should be
Speaker 2: in my view. You know, there's there's no case for
Speaker 2: the Greens being anything but at the very bottom of
Speaker 2: the ticket. There may well be a certain person in
Speaker 2: a certain seat, but as a rule dead last, right.
Speaker 1: Well, Jewish groups.
Speaker 2: Have actually got together with other minority groups and are
Speaker 2: trying to inform the public about how ethnic minorities are
Speaker 2: not in fact best represented by the Greens, who, of course,
Speaker 2: remember trying to pretend that they are, you know, sort
Speaker 2: of the Aussie version of the United Nations, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 1: Michael, what do you think. I know you speak very.
Speaker 2: Warmly of the decision that the Libs have made in
Speaker 2: Queens and I hope it's one that happens nationally. We
Speaker 2: all know labor should but won't because literally there would
Speaker 2: be a lot bigger number than seventy we'd be potentially
Speaker 2: talking about here as a potential government.
Speaker 1: But it's good not just to make.
Speaker 2: These moves, but also for people to be willing to
Speaker 2: put up posters and send the message to the average
Speaker 2: voter so they know the Greens equals something other than
Speaker 2: what the Greens are putting their own posters up about.
Speaker 15: This is just a fantastic development, the fact that someone
Speaker 15: in the Jewish community that the Hindu community are getting
Speaker 15: together to basically say these people don't represent minorities and
Speaker 15: they may not get a huge number of votes, but
Speaker 15: they're making the point to people putting pressure on the
Speaker 15: Greens to get people to understand that this group that
Speaker 15: tooks a big game are basically a hard left, fanatical,
Speaker 15: extreme pro anarchist organization that are not the friend of
Speaker 15: minorities unless they're Palestinian extremists in this country unfortunately. But
Speaker 15: the bigger question is not so much about the Queensland
Speaker 15: election because we know Steven will be looking for a
Speaker 15: job after the election up there. The bigger question about
Speaker 15: Queensland is the federal seat of Griffith. You keep your
Speaker 15: eye on this seat because Max Chandler Maither, who is
Speaker 15: the Greens member, was only elected because they got Labor
Speaker 15: Party preferences. Right Chandler May they got thirty five percent
Speaker 15: of the primary vote, Labor became third, they preferenced him
Speaker 15: in he won. So hello, mister Albanzi, you're going to
Speaker 15: preference him again and get him elected.
Speaker 4: You're going to do that, mister Alberanzi.
Speaker 15: This is the bigger question, not what the Liberals are doing,
Speaker 15: because they've got a principal stand in Queensland and Dutton
Speaker 15: will do the same Australia wide. These people are going last.
Speaker 15: They are extremists who will ruin this country. The question
Speaker 15: is this, Albanize, You're going to have the guts to
Speaker 15: do the right thing by middle Australia and say, yep,
Speaker 15: we agree the Greens are going last. We're preferencing the
Speaker 15: Liberals or is he going to preference the Greens? Because
Speaker 15: if he does, that'll be the end of him.
Speaker 2: Well, and also I agree, But also the thinking is that,
Speaker 2: as I said, we've send this kabooki theater of then
Speaker 2: pretending to be at war with each other being Labor
Speaker 2: and the Greens, where the reality is that they're always
Speaker 2: going to end up either electing each other to Parliament
Speaker 2: or certainly supporting each other in a parliament. What do
Speaker 2: you think about what Michael just said.
Speaker 16: I agree with everything that Michael said. I just wish
Speaker 16: we had put the Greens last when we gave preferences
Speaker 16: to mister Bant and he got elected on liberal preferences
Speaker 16: and look what we've got as a result. So hopefully
Speaker 16: that mistake will never be made again. But the bottom
Speaker 16: line is this. The Greens hate the Australian country people.
Speaker 16: They hate the concept of the nation state. They want
Speaker 16: to see the populace dumbed down so that when they
Speaker 16: rise up to be the elitist leaders, they have absolute control.
Speaker 16: And everything about them is almost evil. They are really
Speaker 16: bad people and if you listen to their rhetoric, listen
Speaker 16: carefully to what they say, you wouldn't feed them.
Speaker 1: But of course, Albanez, of course.
Speaker 2: We are speaking in metaphors for those that are getting
Speaker 2: ready to write their letter of complaint. We are speaking
Speaker 2: in political.
Speaker 16: Metaphors, yes we are, Yes we are. But the point
Speaker 16: is that they hate Australia. They just hate Australia.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Can you know what you think at any time? Send
Speaker 2: men email pull Let's go on neews dot com dot au.
Speaker 1: All right, quick break back.
Speaker 2: The more plenty to talk about, including a new report
Speaker 2: which exposes just how dirty parts of the Victorian system
Speaker 2: has now become modesty. All right, quick run through the
Speaker 2: rest of the day's news before we get to the
Speaker 2: late debate about twelve minutes from now with Bromben Bishop
Speaker 2: and with Michael Kruger.
Speaker 1: No sooks, no left.
Speaker 2: It's nice and comfortable here this Wednesday evening. Now, a
Speaker 2: survey came out today from the Corruption Commission in Victoria
Speaker 2: about what people in and around the public service of
Speaker 2: Victoria think about potential stench of corruption in Victoria. It
Speaker 2: won't surprise you that a significant number of people that
Speaker 2: are in the public service think that they're is a problem.
Speaker 1: With widespread corruption.
Speaker 2: Now, Michael, what's been fascinating to see here is that
Speaker 2: the Corruption Commission, the Commissioner, the former Commissioner multiple reports
Speaker 2: have talked about great corruption where it's not about you know,
Speaker 2: you do this, and I get that. What it ends
Speaker 2: up being is that basically sort of overtly political decisions.
Speaker 1: Are being made in and around the.
Speaker 2: Public service, which is not meant to be an arm
Speaker 2: of in this case Labor Party.
Speaker 1: But that's what's been happening.
Speaker 2: But if the perception is widespread that there's something rotten
Speaker 2: in Victoria, yet every time he gets pointed out, nothing
Speaker 2: gets changed, what does that say about Victoria's capacity to
Speaker 2: deal with this problem.
Speaker 4: Well, you might be able to deal with under this government.
Speaker 15: And unfortunately, and I'm not saying for a minute that
Speaker 15: Leandrew's government or the arm government of corrupt. No, no,
Speaker 15: of course, let me say that at the outset. But
Speaker 15: there are perceptions in Victoria things have happened which people
Speaker 15: don't think are proper. A lot of it had to
Speaker 15: do with how the government dealed with COVID and there
Speaker 15: was a Royal Commission which people felt didn't quite get
Speaker 15: to the right answers.
Speaker 4: There were problems.
Speaker 15: With the Labor Party and investigation into the red Shirt scandal,
Speaker 15: and there are many other things that have happened in Victoria.
Speaker 15: Where the public think this labor government have got away
Speaker 15: with murder, and that has just seeped down and there's
Speaker 15: been a lack of loss of confidence in Victoria about
Speaker 15: our system of government, about propriety and integrity and honesty,
Speaker 15: and so many things have happened over this period of
Speaker 15: this labor government.
Speaker 4: Whether they were corrupt or.
Speaker 15: Not, the perception is, the perception is that things have
Speaker 15: happened and they've fallen on the wrong side of the line.
Speaker 15: Whether they have or not as a question for the
Speaker 15: criminal courts, but that's the perception, and it's a very
Speaker 15: bad perception to have of any state, and we're copying
Speaker 15: the brunt of it unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again particularly you know my central view all
Speaker 2: of this again built out of former corruption commissioners talking
Speaker 2: about that gray corruption right, and remember previous premiers said,
Speaker 2: I've never read that letter, I never knew that was around.
Speaker 1: That's where you.
Speaker 2: Need a good upper house and that at the very
Speaker 2: least will have the beginnings of public inquiries. But of
Speaker 2: course Greens, animal justice, cannabis, they end up voting virtually
Speaker 2: every time to shut these things down. They should reverse it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the debate today. What did you think
Speaker 2: of JD. Vans because I'm not going to lie. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to muck around. I'm not going to pretend
Speaker 2: I was always in the corner. He had a terrible
Speaker 2: start to his time as a vice presidential candidate. There's
Speaker 2: the dogs and cat staff, there's the childless cat lady.
Speaker 2: Stuff that meant a caricature was built of him. But
Speaker 2: at that debate he absolutely blew it away. But he
Speaker 2: blew it all away.
Speaker 1: And people now see him as the handbrake on Trump.
Speaker 16: Well, I liked him from the time I read his book,
Speaker 16: which I read back in twenty sixteen. I remember I
Speaker 16: bought it in.
Speaker 1: You did He'll really? I look again, Yes.
Speaker 16: You did, so, I thought today he was a very
Speaker 16: polished performer, very competent, instilled in somebody who is watching
Speaker 16: that you can trust.
Speaker 1: That blook yes.
Speaker 16: And also it shows good succession planning. It shows a
Speaker 16: complementarity between Trump and Vance, which just doesn't exist between
Speaker 16: Kamelo and stand There's no working synergy there to benefit
Speaker 16: America at all. So I just think what we saw
Speaker 16: was something that gave great confidence. I would think every
Speaker 16: Republican would be very happy. As Megan said on Your clip.
Speaker 16: But I thought his ability to finess was also.
Speaker 2: Very good, because I mean, look, the reality of anyone
Speaker 2: with a big and long and complicated life is that
Speaker 2: there are going to be some things that when they
Speaker 2: come back, you either have to turn around and say, yes,
Speaker 2: I was sorry about that, or and if you are
Speaker 2: in that position, then it's pretty obvious what the trick is. Yes,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent wrong. Here's the subject, right, we know
Speaker 2: what happens. But when Waltz was confronted on that China
Speaker 2: question and again the only grab I played off the
Speaker 2: debate tonight, the fact that the two minute answer went
Speaker 2: everywhere and nowhere and frankly, just filled you with the
Speaker 2: sense of dread that, honestly I hadn't felt since the
Speaker 2: Biden implosion in the.
Speaker 1: First minutes of that debate.
Speaker 2: It's not as bad because he'll stay on our ticket
Speaker 2: all the rest of it, but it was that bad.
Speaker 1: It was what do you reckon?
Speaker 15: Michael? But I loved your voiceover. I loved your voiceover
Speaker 15: early in the shade because it just it just pointed
Speaker 15: out that this polybabble waffle just went and on on. Look,
Speaker 15: here's the truth of what happened. Whilst is obviously a
Speaker 15: reasonable person. He plods away, he's a football coach or
Speaker 15: whatever he is. He's probably a nice guys in a
Speaker 15: class of his own.
Speaker 4: And it showed to day.
Speaker 15: I mean Vance Vance is a class actor, right, Brodwin,
Speaker 15: like you, I read that book. What a magic piece
Speaker 15: of writing that is. I mean, the guy's got a
Speaker 15: phenomenal intellect, an extraordinary backstory. You know, he wasn't in
Speaker 15: he was in Dallas the day Kennedy was killed. Obviously,
Speaker 15: Tim Walson, and that was embarrassing. I mean, who says that?
Speaker 15: Who says that?
Speaker 4: What Wald said?
Speaker 15: But anyway, so the truth is it doesn't affect the
Speaker 15: result much historically, but boy.
Speaker 4: It's given.
Speaker 15: It's given the Trump Vance ticket a big lift. And Paul,
Speaker 15: you may not have noticed, but you know, I keep
Speaker 15: quoting the betting markets occasionally. The reason you look at
Speaker 15: the betting markets is they don't they don't care who wins.
Speaker 15: They're not biased, they don't give a stuff who wins.
Speaker 15: It's all about the money. So you look at them
Speaker 15: and you know, it's not like a CNN poll or
Speaker 15: a ccenn show or whatever. It's you know, they're trying
Speaker 15: to pump up this one, that one. They're trying to
Speaker 15: pump up the Democrats. For the first time in six weeks.
Speaker 15: Donald Trump has taken the lead again in the betting
Speaker 15: marks betting markets from Harris, not so much because of
Speaker 15: the debate, but because of what's happening in the Middle East,
Speaker 15: in my opinion, where they think you've got.
Speaker 4: On the one hand, a San Francisco.
Speaker 15: Liberal and a football coach. That's one mob, and then
Speaker 15: you've got that nasty Donald Trump and a very.
Speaker 4: Serious player in Vance on the other hand.
Speaker 15: So what is happening in world few of politics is
Speaker 15: affecting the vote in America, and as I said, Trump
Speaker 15: is now favorite to win.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Also, there is a huge strike which is happening in
Speaker 2: around the docks, meaning nothing's moving off the ports. If
Speaker 2: that I mean, that's gone for a couple of days.
Speaker 2: If it goes any longer, well people will start to notice,
Speaker 2: and that too will cause its troubles. We're out of
Speaker 2: time for tonight, so thank you very much to former senators,
Speaker 2: future senators and just you for watching stand by for
Speaker 2: the late debate. Megan Kelly on the Shodow Morrick today