WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 4 February

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<v Speaker 1>From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Cherry gooda mate, come on into the man cave.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, sooks no left this tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>And our special guest, none other than the Great Nigel

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<v Speaker 3>for us joining us the only time you've seen me

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<v Speaker 3>on Aussie Telly is only regular appearance here every Tuesday night.

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<v Speaker 3>Make sure you strap yourself in if you fired up

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<v Speaker 3>good and ready. Oh yeah, in a second, have a

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<v Speaker 3>look at some of the stuff in and around question time,

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<v Speaker 3>not just the stuff you've heard, but some of the

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<v Speaker 3>strategy behind it that gives us an idea of what

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<v Speaker 3>they want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do in the next couple of weeks and how they

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<v Speaker 2>plan to fight the election. And an early shout out.

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<v Speaker 3>The first Ourtown of twenty twenty five is in beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>Dot February the twenty third Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of weeks. I've got the biggest room. We

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't get as many people in as possible. So if

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<v Speaker 3>Now and fire both are extremes that are affecting different

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<v Speaker 3>parts of our country. I start with this tonight because

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<v Speaker 3>it is the greatest urgency for the people living in

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<v Speaker 3>those areas. Not everything's political, so let's focus in on

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<v Speaker 3>these people and also look, there is no good news

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<v Speaker 3>out of these scenarios, but seemingly the situation in Townsville

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<v Speaker 3>has gotten better. However, the focus now moves a little

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<v Speaker 3>further north, about halfway between Townsville and Cans. Don't hit

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<v Speaker 3>me on the absolute kilometers, but basically halfway the city

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<v Speaker 3>of Ingham.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Ingham is a small but beautiful part of Queensland, and

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<v Speaker 3>it is being absolutely smashed. It has been smashed where

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<v Speaker 3>it has been cut off. It has no power, There

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<v Speaker 3>are problems with drinking water, there are mass evacuations, There

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<v Speaker 3>are all sorts of problems that are.

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<v Speaker 4>Happening in that part of Queensland right now. Here are

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<v Speaker 4>some of the people that are caught up in it. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>Strength and love to everyone in Ingham tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>There's so many properties around here that are so heavily

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<v Speaker 5>affected by it. In all my life to them, I've

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<v Speaker 5>never experienced so much water since I've lived here in Engham, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't seen anything like it. Bloody, it's hard, it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people are doing it tough, very very tough.

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<v Speaker 3>I should also say when it comes to Townsville that

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<v Speaker 3>there have still been plenty of evacuations in evacuation centers.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not pretending there's no story there. But the epicenter

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<v Speaker 3>of the problems in North Queensland right now, the most

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<v Speaker 3>urgent is what is happening right now in and around

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<v Speaker 3>in Ingham. This is the latest that the Queensland authorities

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<v Speaker 3>are telling the locals, and I pass on to you

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<v Speaker 3>tonight by a Sky News Regional Flash or Fox Tell.

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<v Speaker 5>We have more police on the ground than possibly ever before.

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<v Speaker 5>We have almost six hundred police working across the region,

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<v Speaker 5>assisted bybout one hundred and forty police have been deployed

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<v Speaker 5>from other areas, coupled with hundreds of SES volunteers, and

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<v Speaker 5>as we heard earlier, there are hundreds more on the way,

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<v Speaker 5>not only from down south but from Mina State.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>In a second, I'm going to check in with someone

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<v Speaker 3>in Ingham for the latest information. How the Tan's holding

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<v Speaker 3>up and whether they are getting the support that they

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<v Speaker 3>so desperately need. Stick around for that, because obviously, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're in the middle of it, you desperately want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>If you, like me, love the people all over this country,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly regional Australia, well you want to know exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>help is on its way.

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<v Speaker 2>Meantime.

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<v Speaker 3>Fires, now, you haven't heard a lot about these, because

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<v Speaker 3>again it seems like the media can only kind of

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<v Speaker 3>handle one thing at a time. But we know there

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<v Speaker 3>have been some fires in around the Grampians in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>We know there has been.

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<v Speaker 3>Several properties and lots of evacuations. This is the latest

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<v Speaker 3>that we hear from them about the events of the

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<v Speaker 3>past couple of days. And again I say for the

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<v Speaker 3>unday time, strength and love to everyone dealing with this stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>That's really challenging forested terrain. We've got rocky escarpments, so

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<v Speaker 6>we can't necessarily just what we traditionally do is use

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<v Speaker 6>bulldozers to cut lines in around these fires and then

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<v Speaker 6>do backburning operations or burning out operations to remove the

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<v Speaker 6>fuel from in front of these fires. That is really difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're keeping on all of it. If you are

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<v Speaker 3>in a position to communicate with us, please do so.

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<v Speaker 3>Paul It's goodnews dot com. DOUF you would like a

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<v Speaker 3>message to go out to the rest of the country,

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<v Speaker 3>to the officials about help that is greater needed. But

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<v Speaker 3>as always, thanks to everyone who's the volunteer. Thanks to

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<v Speaker 3>everyone who is in the community helping a neighbor, a stranger,

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<v Speaker 3>family or friend. And thank you to everyone whose full

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<v Speaker 3>time job is to go towards people on.

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<v Speaker 2>The toughest days of their lives. A grateful nation says

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, I would not expend such grace to the

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<v Speaker 3>politicians of our country, but specifically the Prime Minister. As

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<v Speaker 3>I explained in great chapter and verse last night, he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to pretend that everything is awesome, but the reality is.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite the opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>Direct question today from Peter Dutton, it basically was along

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<v Speaker 3>the lines of what I laid out last night, again

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<v Speaker 3>in great detail, about everything that's actually gone wrong in

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<v Speaker 3>the past three years. And by that I don't mean

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that happened two years ago. I'm saying today on

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<v Speaker 3>February fourth, where Australians are compared to where they.

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<v Speaker 7>Were on day one of albert Under this week Albanzi

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<v Speaker 7>Labor Government. Interest rates have increased twelve times, energy bills

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<v Speaker 7>have risen by one thousand dollars, living standards have collapsed,

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<v Speaker 7>twenty seven thousand businesses have gone insolvent, and we're in

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<v Speaker 7>a record breaking household recession. Will the Prime Minister now

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<v Speaker 7>apologize for promising Australians they would be better off and

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<v Speaker 7>admit that they can't afford another three years of this week,

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<v Speaker 7>Albanzi Labor Government.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 4>The nature of the way the question was actually asked

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<v Speaker 4>meant the Prime Minister had well a giant hole that

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<v Speaker 4>he could jump through, and of course he said, nothing

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<v Speaker 4>to see here. You should be skipping in the streets

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<v Speaker 4>and thanking the great Landlord of Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>When we came to office.

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<v Speaker 8>Really, incomes we're going backwards, Inflation was going up. Rises

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<v Speaker 8>had a six in front of it, and indeed we

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<v Speaker 8>had people's living standards going backwards, and we had deficits,

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<v Speaker 8>a seventy eight billion dollar deficit that we inherited in

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<v Speaker 8>the March twenty and twenty two budget.

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<v Speaker 3>But as we know, the Camera bubble and those who

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<v Speaker 3>protect the Canberra bubble, or they want to pretend the

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister's version of events that look, it's COVID style

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<v Speaker 3>where we've been through the worst of Congratulations everyone, you're

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<v Speaker 3>the new version of the ANZACs because we did this together. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to work because unlike a situation like that,

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<v Speaker 3>this one is so many more multiple fronts and they

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<v Speaker 3>are trying to say look over there, while the reality

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<v Speaker 3>of the experienced people are having is very different. Put

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<v Speaker 3>simply in Parliament House, every MP, every senator has got

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<v Speaker 3>three pay rises in this term. Every public servant has

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<v Speaker 3>got the biggest pay rise in a decade. They live

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<v Speaker 3>in very rarefied era and good luck to you if

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<v Speaker 3>you're on the gravy train. But it is as far away.

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<v Speaker 2>From the real world as you can imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>Because in the suburbs, and it doesn't matter if we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the suburbs of Perth, Dubbo, Darwin, Lonnie.

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<v Speaker 4>Or you pick it where you are, the struggle, the

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<v Speaker 4>struggle is real.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm going to show you this every night because

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<v Speaker 3>I want this to be as clear as day as

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<v Speaker 3>the Prime Minister tries to pretend I was a burning

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<v Speaker 3>binfire and then we put the burning binfire out and

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<v Speaker 3>thanks to the hard work of Australians. We've all got

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<v Speaker 3>through this together. There's not just light at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the tunnel. We're out on the other side and

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<v Speaker 3>the open fields. The reality in February of twenty and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five, after this first term of this awful government,

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<v Speaker 3>it's lying must be called out because the reality of

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<v Speaker 3>life under labor is as follows. Thirty percent of homes

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<v Speaker 3>are in mortgage stress, fifty eight percent of low income

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<v Speaker 3>households are in rental stress. Twelve interest rate rises have

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<v Speaker 3>resulted in fourteen thousand, four hundred dollars extra in repayments

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<v Speaker 3>for every five hundred thousand dollars that you have borrowed.

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<v Speaker 2>So double it to twenty eight if you've got a million,

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<v Speaker 2>and go from there.

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<v Speaker 3>Those numbers again, not from some far right wing think tank.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got the receipts.

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<v Speaker 3>I can gladly send them to anyone who wishes to

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<v Speaker 3>dispute them. Twenty one months, the average Australian has been

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<v Speaker 3>in a recession, while the government barely keeps itself alive

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<v Speaker 3>by borrowing money from China and just hurling it into

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<v Speaker 3>the air by, among other things, hiring more public servants.

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<v Speaker 2>And giving them high pay rises.

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<v Speaker 3>So in the real world, it's the lowest living standards

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<v Speaker 3>since nineteen fifty nine.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty seven. Five hundred and eighty businesses have gone bust

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<v Speaker 4>since Alberanzi was elected. Three million people are this close

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<v Speaker 4>to homelessness. Three point seven million go hungry every single week.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet despite all of those problems, let's bring in another

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<v Speaker 4>one point three million people to add to the ever

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<v Speaker 4>growing issues. And just a reminder to the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 4>and the people who seek to give him a free

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<v Speaker 4>pass between now and the election because they like the

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<v Speaker 4>arrangements as they currently are, as opposed to a government

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<v Speaker 4>who promised to make it better being punished because they

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<v Speaker 4>failed to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it got worse.

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<v Speaker 3>There was an interesting piece of research which came out

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<v Speaker 3>today about just how little money the average Australian has

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<v Speaker 3>in the bank. Now think about this. According to Finder Today,

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<v Speaker 3>one in five Australians have less than one hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in the bank, not five hundred, not one thousand, one hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you think about where that.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundred dollars is supposed to stretch until the next time

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<v Speaker 3>they get a payment, either from the government via welfare

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe it's the fifteenth of the month when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to work. If they're casuals, maybe it's each and

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<v Speaker 3>every week. That statistic is an indictment on the government

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<v Speaker 3>because it shows the reality of a society where more

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<v Speaker 3>people are having double jobs to make ends meet, yet

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<v Speaker 3>still one in five have less than one hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in the bank. These are the people who are frightened

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<v Speaker 3>if something happens to the fridge. These are the people

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<v Speaker 3>who are frightened if the head gasket in the car

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<v Speaker 3>that they already fixed last year is going to go again.

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<v Speaker 3>These are the people who will simply go without in

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<v Speaker 3>order to make it through to the next day. Supposedly

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<v Speaker 3>the people that the bloke from the housing commissioned stock

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<v Speaker 3>would remember, but of course he does not. He just

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<v Speaker 3>uses those people as a prop, those people as a

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<v Speaker 3>prop to say, I am of this flock. But in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of how he lives his life he of course

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<v Speaker 3>six hundred thousand dollars. Of course the Prime Minister should

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<v Speaker 3>be paid a significant amount of money that as an

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<v Speaker 3>example of the life lived. Come on the taxpayer funded mansion.

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<v Speaker 3>The staff everywhere, let alone the people that, as I say,

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<v Speaker 3>every person in the Parliament.

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<v Speaker 2>The life of upgrade Elbow is.

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<v Speaker 3>A very very long way away from the story of

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<v Speaker 3>which he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was most famous for. Good luck to him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's done whatever he can to get to the place

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<v Speaker 3>that he always dreamed of, that being the Lodge. But

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<v Speaker 3>that is about as far away from the real world

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<v Speaker 3>as possible for any Australian. And good luck having this

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<v Speaker 3>bloke and the little dab too to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>relate to the average Australian. When yes, he has been

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<v Speaker 3>able to play the system. That means he's got a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of investment properties. So on top of his six

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand, on top of his lifetime pension, on top

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<v Speaker 3>of the two taxpayer funded mansions, his property portfolio sends

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<v Speaker 3>him one hundred and twenty thousand dollars in rent each

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<v Speaker 3>every year. So good luck telling everything that everyone that

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<v Speaker 3>everything is awesome, because the reality in the Urbs is

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<v Speaker 3>it ain't and it got worse under your leadership. It

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<v Speaker 3>got worse because of your leadership. And they will send

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<v Speaker 3>a message. And I know this because the people who

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<v Speaker 3>are trying to find the way to build the case

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<v Speaker 3>for the benefit of the doubt the people who will

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<v Speaker 3>gladly reprint all the stuff that you've got in the

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<v Speaker 3>dirt unit, which has produced very little, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to Peter Dutton and trying to scare

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<v Speaker 3>people with ads, even on taxpayer television. When they sent

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<v Speaker 3>a reporter out into the western suburbs of Sydney on

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<v Speaker 3>a field trip, presumably not many people who work for

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<v Speaker 3>Channel two live in this part of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this bloke did, Maybe he knew the right people

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to.

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<v Speaker 3>He went to the seat of Wherrerower where Awer in

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney's West is one the Labour parties held onto for

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<v Speaker 3>a bloody long time, but its margins have been being

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<v Speaker 3>eaten away.

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<v Speaker 2>It's now at about five percent.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be one of the seats that statistically could

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<v Speaker 3>be up for grabs at this election. And believe it

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<v Speaker 3>or not, it was breaking news on four Corners last

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<v Speaker 3>night what I have been telling you every night and

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<v Speaker 3>you have been living for three years under this bloke.

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<v Speaker 3>But they did tell the part of the country that

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<v Speaker 3>would like to think it's not a problem that it is.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first time.

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<v Speaker 9>Four Corners reveals that in eighty two percent of seats

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<v Speaker 9>most households are in financial stress, astonishingly up from just

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<v Speaker 9>eight percent three years ago. That's where paychecks barely cover

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<v Speaker 9>basic living expenses and WHEREWA has the second highest level

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<v Speaker 9>of financial stress in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>It's up to the opposition to make the case that

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<v Speaker 3>it is time not just to break up with the

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<v Speaker 3>people you've always voted for, but that there is a

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<v Speaker 3>better plan They will achieve or not that in the

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<v Speaker 3>next few weeks and months.

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<v Speaker 2>But people are ready.

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<v Speaker 3>They are ready to for the first time for the

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<v Speaker 3>party they have never voted for, similar to Boris Johnson,

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<v Speaker 3>similar to Donald Trump. May be so when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to the Liberal Party and Peter Darton, here's somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>you presume by the way they were presented in the show,

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<v Speaker 3>who'd been a regular labor voter no more in where

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<v Speaker 3>or were for this lady.

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<v Speaker 10>They're seeing that, you know, crime has changed, that it's

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<v Speaker 10>not the same place where they grew up, where everyone

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<v Speaker 10>got along, and it is becoming overpopulated, but there's not

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<v Speaker 10>enough infrastructure and supports out there to help maintain it.

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<v Speaker 10>And there's like some very different ideas are kind of

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<v Speaker 10>getting all mixed together and there's no kind of unity for.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the Australian values. You see that that's we're.

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<v Speaker 10>Losing a bit of that. We're overready for the labor

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<v Speaker 10>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and why not.

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<v Speaker 10>Because we want to set your change and we think

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<v Speaker 10>that's probably the way the way that that can happen,

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<v Speaker 10>and that maybe the government starts looking at our area

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<v Speaker 10>as an area that isn't just going to sit around

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<v Speaker 10>and let what's happening to it happen.

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<v Speaker 3>They even found an academic, yes, an academic who said

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<v Speaker 3>that Western Sydney is one.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the parts of Australia that might be a little

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<v Speaker 4>dut and curious. We will all find out together.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Prime Minister needs to change his tune if

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<v Speaker 3>he thinks that he's going to be able to sit

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<v Speaker 3>inside the camper bubble where everyone's got three pay prices

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<v Speaker 3>on the floor of Parliament and all the staff, all

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of it, good luck because the people who

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<v Speaker 3>are watching on and to be honest, most of them

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<v Speaker 3>are not white because they've had enough of this bloke.

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<v Speaker 3>They are not going to fall for it. That's all

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<v Speaker 3>wait and see. But certainly one of the other things

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<v Speaker 3>that is really frustrating people is that the system under

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<v Speaker 3>which that we work, and by that I mean a

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<v Speaker 3>system that finds different ways to squeeze us all for

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<v Speaker 3>cash each and every day. Now, I've spoken at great

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<v Speaker 3>length and I try to show you that reports the data,

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<v Speaker 3>all the rest of it. Now, it doesn't mean we're perfect,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean people are going to come for us. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>if we have a swing, they're going to have a

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<v Speaker 3>swing back. You get how this works, right, But one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things that I've worked out that is one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most effective things that I can do as

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<v Speaker 3>a person who thinks the country is in the wrong

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<v Speaker 3>direction and we need to make a change. A way

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<v Speaker 3>is to arm you with the information to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to have the arguments that may well convince people or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they see the video where they watch the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Certainly I would like that. But let's talk about tax

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about where the government gets its money from.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as I've told you many times, it's you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's people working, it's the people paying as they go

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<v Speaker 3>each and every month. When it comes to taxation, all

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<v Speaker 3>of that has increased under this government. The dirty little

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<v Speaker 3>side taxes like booze and cigarettes and petrol, all of

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<v Speaker 3>those again at record highs under this government. And then

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<v Speaker 3>of course the cost of everything once you get to

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<v Speaker 3>a shop is nothing to do with tax, but it

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<v Speaker 3>means that what little money you have, you're very careful

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<v Speaker 3>with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And when there is such a big part of.

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<v Speaker 3>Your income going to the government, you want to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that they are actually taking care of people. And

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<v Speaker 3>if three point seven million people don't know where the

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<v Speaker 3>food's going to come from by the end of the week,

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<v Speaker 3>three million people are this close to homelessness. Even the

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<v Speaker 3>ABC telling you what, almost ninety percent of homes in

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<v Speaker 3>the key electorates are in financial stress. No one is

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<v Speaker 3>going to buy that this government has done well with

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<v Speaker 3>the money that they get.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where this sits on the political spectrum,

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes I fail the purity test of being in

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<v Speaker 3>this pocket or that pocket, or singing from this song

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<v Speaker 3>sheet or whatever. I am who I am, And we've

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<v Speaker 3>been mates for a long time. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>whether this appeals to one side of politics more than

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<v Speaker 3>the other. But this that I'm about to show you

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<v Speaker 3>has to change. This is what Australians have had enough of.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>For some that might be right wing economic populism that

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be drawn to. For others, it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be far left wing economic populism. But tell me

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<v Speaker 3>if you're okay with this system. The federal government, according

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<v Speaker 3>to Budget Paper number one, last year, it got six

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty eight billion.

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<v Speaker 4>Dollars in revenue. Forty seven billions dollars of that is

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<v Speaker 4>axis tax. Like I said, it's a beer and petrol

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<v Speaker 4>and cigarettes, even clothing and footwear. The GST eighty seven

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollars. Now that money basically is cutoff, doesn't get

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<v Speaker 4>hived off to the federal government, but goes back to

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<v Speaker 4>the states.

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<v Speaker 2>And the states always are asking for more money.

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<v Speaker 3>They'd be the ones who'd love an increase in the

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<v Speaker 3>GST because that number would clearly go up in the

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<v Speaker 3>revenue that would come to them. But to be the

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<v Speaker 3>federal government that would end up copying the politics for

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<v Speaker 3>that quote unquote increase in tax. Of the six hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty eight b for billion dollars the federal government

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<v Speaker 3>was expecting in revenue, one hundred and thirty nine billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars of that is company tax. And the single greater

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<v Speaker 3>source of the three six hundred and fifty eight billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars in revenue is personal income tax. Pay as you

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<v Speaker 3>go is now three hundred and twenty six B for

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<v Speaker 3>billion dollars. Do the sums on how many multiples that

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<v Speaker 3>is of beer and petrol, how many multiples that is

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<v Speaker 3>of company tax? How many multiples that is of the GST?

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<v Speaker 3>And we have a system that is broken. So when

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<v Speaker 3>they turn around and say, well, we deserve you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we deserve a pat on the back because too little,

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<v Speaker 3>too late tax cuts. Remember the overall tax cut per

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<v Speaker 3>week for somebody earning about forty five thousand dollars to

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<v Speaker 3>people in safe places like where are what?

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<v Speaker 2>Fourteen bucks? Fourteen dollars?

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<v Speaker 3>And when everything else was going up in prices, including

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<v Speaker 3>of course power. But it wasn't that supposed to be

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<v Speaker 3>fixed by now all of that has not just been

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<v Speaker 3>gobbled up. It was never noticed. It did not even

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<v Speaker 3>touch the middle, let alone the sides of the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>That in part is why the Prime Minister is where

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<v Speaker 3>he is. And guess what I've got even more bad

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<v Speaker 3>news for because the latest polling about the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>and the opposition leader is fascinating to watch. As always,

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<v Speaker 3>I like that I go into the detail of or

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<v Speaker 3>I am able to give you the detail of the

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<v Speaker 3>polling information about the Prime Minister, about the opposition leader

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<v Speaker 3>that comes to us from the turbul Times.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what the headlines say.

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<v Speaker 3>The Albernezi says that he's going to be a majority government,

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<v Speaker 3>but the reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Is probably not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Why because even in the Guardian that as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to spin. They don't spin the numbers, but

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<v Speaker 3>they spin the tale of the numbers. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>where they were a couple of weeks ago that the

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<v Speaker 3>voters were more positive. Now they were like one two

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<v Speaker 3>points more positive. Okay, but you know he's in trouble

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<v Speaker 3>when this is the best that the joint that his

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<v Speaker 3>press secretary used to work for can spin. On today's pole,

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<v Speaker 3>more voters say Anthony Aberneze is out of touch with

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<v Speaker 3>ordinary Australians than Peter Dunton. Oh I imagine the joy

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<v Speaker 3>they had trying to sub that headline. That's the best

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<v Speaker 3>thing they could put on it for the Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Why because in the Essential poll today, sixty three percent

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<v Speaker 3>of people say the Prime Minister is out of touch,

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<v Speaker 3>Fifty one percent of people say that he doesn't handle pressure.

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<v Speaker 3>Only forty three percent of people think that he's decisive.

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<v Speaker 3>Only forty two percent believe that he is trustworthy, and

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<v Speaker 3>only twenty seven percent think that he's got a better

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<v Speaker 3>get up and go a bit of aggression, bit of

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<v Speaker 3>agro in him. And by that I don't just mean

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<v Speaker 3>fighting Tories, I mean fighting for the very people who

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<v Speaker 3>supposedly he is of who he represents. But i'd upgrade

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<v Speaker 3>he's about as far off the mark as you could

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<v Speaker 3>possibly imagine. I also want to say something here about

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<v Speaker 3>politics when it comes to Australia and people on the

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<v Speaker 3>conservative side of politics who would desperately love you know,

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<v Speaker 3>why can't we have a Trump right? Why can't dunt

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<v Speaker 3>just basically click do a Trump and therefore we would

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<v Speaker 3>get the same result. Now you know how much I

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<v Speaker 3>love Trump, I've got a bit to say in a

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<v Speaker 3>moment about just how much is winning in the past

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>And it has actually been phenomenal, the wins that he

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<v Speaker 2>has had.

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<v Speaker 4>In just the first two weeks, two weeks of his

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<v Speaker 4>presidency truly transformational stuff. But we do have to tempest

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<v Speaker 4>some expectations about what the alternative Prime minister can possibly

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<v Speaker 4>do in terms of replicating the language, the decision making

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<v Speaker 4>and many other things to do with DJT. But of

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<v Speaker 4>course it won't stop much of the left wing media

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<v Speaker 4>trying to link any decision that is made in campaign style,

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<v Speaker 4>policy or rhetoric, oh to Trumpian because you know ulgad

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<v Speaker 4>boga Trump bad orange man, bad bald man, even worse.

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<v Speaker 3>You get it the New York Times. Who in the

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<v Speaker 3>New York Times is reading about Australian politics. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>Australia's top conservative follows Trump's playbook in taxpayer TV and radio,

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<v Speaker 3>mirroring Trump dunn'ts and aim at diversity in the nine

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<v Speaker 3>papers straight from the Trump playbook. You see this over

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<v Speaker 3>and over and over again. And any attempt to grain

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<v Speaker 3>in the spending or to change the way that taxation works, well,

0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 3>of course that is just Elon Musk right. Any how

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<v Speaker 3>many times do you see headlines or versions of this?

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<v Speaker 3>You know you sent a price with her new job

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 3>that somehow all of this. And we saw today the

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<v Speaker 3>Business Council of Australia, who by the way, were standing

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<v Speaker 3>behind the Prime Minister clapping him on while he made

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<v Speaker 3>the choices about forty three percent of one percent of

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<v Speaker 3>carbon emissions and eighty something percent of power lines and

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<v Speaker 3>power to come from renewable energy. They are now saying

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<v Speaker 3>that Australia needs a Musk style agenda The Guardian again,

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<v Speaker 3>the Turnbull Times. I say that because, of course he

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<v Speaker 3>helped will it into action. Dunton wants to slash thousands

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<v Speaker 3>of government jobs and an Elon must style cruise. Sayed Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the reason I mention all of this is because I

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<v Speaker 3>love what's happening in the United States right now. I

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 3>like them rather than incremental change.

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 4>And oh what happens if we make a really big decision?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, have we got enough political who cares?

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 3>You've got the power ram change change, chain change.

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<v Speaker 2>Now for those who didn't vote for it.

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 3>They go, oh, this guy's falling in destruction. Guess what

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 3>he was hired to do. To break what doesn't work

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<v Speaker 3>and to rebuild something that is better. That's why it

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<v Speaker 3>works in the United States. But why Australia can't have

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<v Speaker 3>a Trump is a whole bunch of reasons. But I

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<v Speaker 3>want to explain this to people because inevitably I get asked, hey,

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 3>why can't we all it wouldn't your love in US

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Ossie Trump? Yeah, of course, but we don't have power

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 3>in Australia that exists in one person and one office

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 3>in the United States, they have a thing called executive power,

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 3>the authority that comes to the presidency. Remember, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>you can have a bill in the lower House that's

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<v Speaker 3>passed by the upper House. It's not law until the

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<v Speaker 3>president signs it or can veto it. There's also about

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<v Speaker 3>four thousand jobs in the American government which every time

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.160
<v Speaker 3>there is a new president, they are wiped and they

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 3>are reset with the people whom the president approves off.

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<v Speaker 3>About twelve hundred of those need to go through the

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Senate process. But put simply, rather than a public service

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 3>where everyone in it has been there for a very

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<v Speaker 3>long time and they know at the end of the

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<v Speaker 3>day they can probably slow play the ball. Wait, you

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<v Speaker 3>out leak to the opposition. Well, in America, basically the

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 3>whole top is ripped off these organizations and a new

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 3>one is put on top. That is not our system

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.879
<v Speaker 3>that we have in Australia. I personally think that it

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.160
<v Speaker 3>would be much more efficient for all governments of all

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<v Speaker 3>stripes at all times to have more opportunities to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to make a dramatic change at the top developments

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<v Speaker 3>of the public service, to be able to make appointments

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 3>that will carry out their agenda. And then sure they

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<v Speaker 3>ever lose power, guess what they would lose that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>The next team would be able to come in, but

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<v Speaker 3>we would be able to avoid the scenario that often

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<v Speaker 3>plays out in Australia, which is that the government that's

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 3>about to go out the back door feels as many

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<v Speaker 3>positions as possible on like five year contracts for people

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.439
<v Speaker 3>who they know are going to create trouble for the

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<v Speaker 3>government that is coming in. That's why it's difficult, if

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<v Speaker 3>not impossible, for the trumpy thing to happen here. The

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<v Speaker 3>second thing at the very heart of the Trump agenda

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<v Speaker 3>in the first term, and even sharper focus in the

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<v Speaker 3>second is that for every new regulation that is introduced,

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<v Speaker 3>they have to get rid of at least two pieces

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 3>of regulation that already exists. In Australia, we seem to

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<v Speaker 3>have this idea that the way that the system works

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<v Speaker 3>or the laws works, should just be like sediment at

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom of the ocean. You can't possibly undo what

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<v Speaker 3>the government.

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Too before you did.

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:50.639
<v Speaker 3>Instead of none of you've just got to accept that

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 3>that's the way things are. You must absolutely deliver on

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:58.680
<v Speaker 3>the promises of long gone prime ministers, or somehow you're

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<v Speaker 3>involved in some sort of revolution or cut cut cut

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 3>cut cart. And the third reason why in Australia we

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't be able to have the same type of situation

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 3>the place out of the United States is that there

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<v Speaker 3>is no alternative economy now in the United States because

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 3>the population is so big. Literally, there are mobile phone

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 3>companies that will exclusively market to a certain political section

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 3>of America. Literally, I think it's called Patriot Mobile. There

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 3>are banks that are more open and favorable to one

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 3>side of the country than the other. There's somewhere to

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 3>go when it's not your mob that's in charge in

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:48.360
<v Speaker 3>this country. But business went woke a long time ago.

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 3>They need to reverse it because they need to reconnect

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 3>with their customer base, something that I make cost Samarus

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 3>wrote about quite interestingly today in the Financial Review. Couses

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 3>the bloke who runs the Red Bridge organization. He'll be

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 3>with us each and every Sunday, or is offside of Steve,

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 3>who are great insights into the data of where the

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 3>country is right now. He of course used to work

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 3>for the Labour Party, so he'll obviously at times find

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 3>a way to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>But still for the past twenty years, businesses have been

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<v Speaker 3>aligned when it comes to their strategies with the values

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 3>of the professional class, focusing on diversity programs, climate policies,

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:28.360
<v Speaker 3>progressive branding. While these initiatives have resonated with a stable

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 3>and affluent demographic, teals they risk alienating a growing and

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 3>increasingly vocal group of new swinging voters.

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 2>See the lady that I just showed you before in.

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Where or one.

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 3>This volatile demographic, particularly in the outer suburbs and regional areas,

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 3>views the corporate gestures is out of touch with their

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 3>economic realities. For them, priorities such as job security, cost

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 3>of living, community investment far out weigh the displays of

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 3>virtue signaling last one. As their political influence grows, business

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 3>risks becoming simple of elite neglect. The backlash against woke

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 3>capitalism is already evident in the public boycotts and political campaigns,

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 3>and underscoring the urgent need for companies to reassess their priorities.

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<v Speaker 3>Plenty more where that came from. As we roll on

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 3>here tonight on pal Murray Life. But let's go back

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.239
<v Speaker 3>to the scenario that's playing out in North Queensland right now,

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 3>specifically in Ingham and their mayor joins us right now.

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:25.959
<v Speaker 3>Raymond jo is his name, and he joins us now.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice to see you, mate. Forgive me about the past

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 3>couple of days. What we're seeing looks like it's bloody awful.

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Thinks slightly better or slightly worse tonight. Looking a bit

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<v Speaker 3>better there, Paul, first, wee mate. Sorry I didn't shave

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 3>for you, mate, I haven't had much time.

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry. I didn't shave for you either.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all good now, feeling a bit more relaxed. The

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 4>river is showing signs of receding finally, So just to

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 4>put it all in perspective, we've had about seventeen hundred

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 4>millimeters of rain in the last seven days, and essentially

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 4>our Shire, which sits between Towns and kens three thousand

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 4>square klomate, we probably had about three quarters of it underwater.

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 4>Blind blood massive flood. We haven't seen floods like this

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<v Speaker 4>since nineteen sixty seven. So yeah, it was a big

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 4>shock to everybody. But fortunately we think that the water

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 4>is receding.

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<v Speaker 3>What are some of the little acts of kindness that

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 3>you've seen over the past few days. You've seen it

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 3>from people with a teeny helping somebody else out to

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 3>somebody in a uniform. But when you think back over

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 3>how your community and the people who've come to help

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 3>your community have reacted in the past few days, what's

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 3>some of the stuff that jumps to mind for you.

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're quite lucky that we've got a caring community.

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 4>And as you as you pointed out, you know, people

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 4>in tennees helping out keep their neighbors in a bit

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 4>of distress as the waters.

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Was coming up.

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 4>We've had a lot of good work done by Swift

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 4>Water Rescue, your crews and the SEES volunteers. Without them,

0:30:58.000 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 4>we would have been in a lot of strife. But

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 4>the neighbors all chipping in and also just the information

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 4>sharing between the neighbors as the water was coming up.

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 4>You know, we have a lot of new people in

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 4>town and the old people of the town. You know,

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 4>we're telling them what to expect, where the water would

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 4>come from, how hi it might go. But yeah, everyone

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 4>got surprised about the extent of water that we did.

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 4>So we do have a good community. We have a

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 4>resilient community. They're out there straight away now as soon

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 4>as the water starts receding, they're out there, you know,

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 4>starting to clean down, so I chase the water out

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 4>of town, helping their neighbors with the debris and that

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 4>taking the rubbish out to the road. So yeah, it's

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 4>a good community. Actually, love our community. I love a

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 4>picture that I saw somewhere. Forgive me if I mispronounced,

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm probably going to the hotel Yuramo?

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Is that it?

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 2>And they had how do I pronounce that properly? Durama?

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 3>That don't help with it anyway, Sorry, pol Yeah, I

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 3>made it all the way through year twelve, made public education.

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 2>It just does me so well every day. I love

0:31:58.320 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 2>this picture.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a picture there, and I'm sorry I don't have

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 3>the ability to shout right now, but basically it is

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 3>the pub, water right up to it, tinnies all lined

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 3>up at the front like a bunch of horses turning up,

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 3>you know in the gold Rush. Yet the pub, even

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 3>when parts of it had water lapping away there they

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 3>are water up to the ankles, but they're still turning

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 3>the sausages and they're still serving the beers. I just

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 3>love that wherever the high spot was, turn up and

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 3>we'll take.

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<v Speaker 1>Care of you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's actually you remote that's in our neighbor in council.

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Are further up the road.

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, we've got similar we've got similar situations, similar

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 4>similar positions where all the locals go to in time

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 4>of need.

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Watering points are the points to shelter them. Yes, for

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 4>many different reasons for the good people in North Queen's Land.

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<v Speaker 4>Now let's talk about the next little while and inevitable

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 4>cleanups that have to take place here because as a

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 4>council council, as the regional council, every dollar you're getting

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 4>in rates, you're spending on everything from fixing potholes to

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 4>picking up garbage, all the rest of it. Right, what

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 4>do you need when inevitably there's an awful lot of

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 4>stuff to gurney, there's a lot of stuff to clean up,

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 4>and there's maybe extra bridges and roads that need to

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 4>be fixed. And is there an ability for you to

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 4>pick up the phone of the premiere down in Brisbane

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 4>and something happens or are we going to be getting

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 4>complaints from you in six months time that what they

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 4>promised at the photo op never happened. Now, look, you

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 4>know I have to say we've got a very good

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 4>state government, and we've got a very good premier. Now

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 4>that Premier has been talking to us every single day

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 4>since this event started, not just me, everyone up the

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 4>coast so and you know they're on board. They've thrown

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 4>their resources at us. We've had so many state resources

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 4>you are looking after us since it started that I've

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 4>never ever seen.

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 2>It like this before.

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 4>As we go forward, obviously as the water goes down,

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 4>we'll do our assessments and we'll see what the infrastructure damages.

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 4>And then we also in Queensland, we're pretty lucky. We've

0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 4>got a good authority called the Queensland Reconstruction Authority that

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 4>comes on boards and helps us. Now I can say

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 4>this with a lot of conference. So just to give

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 4>you an idea this flooding, although the extent of the

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 4>flooding this time around was quite large. You know, we

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 4>get a flood every year. The Herbert River, which is

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 4>our main river system through the inch Brook, it drains

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 4>seventy two percent of the wet tropics. So that gives

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 4>you an idea how much water comes out of way.

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 4>So you know this is not our first rodeo port

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 4>so and but the Queensland government sits with us there

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:33.399
<v Speaker 4>with Queensland Reconstruction Authority, the assessments are done, the other

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 4>money comes through, the work gets done and you know, actually,

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to say this to be too callous,

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.760
<v Speaker 4>but you know, flooding is pretty good for us because

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 4>it creates a lot of work. It creates a lot

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 4>of employment. We're always fixing a road or some infrastructure

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 4>that's damaged in the flood. So you know we've got

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, a big turnover happening with it, right.

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 3>I love it Raymond, that you're not you know, you're

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 3>not going to build the lily. If there's a silver lining,

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 3>let's go for it. As a Cowboys fan, you'd be

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 3>hoping they're going to win the camp as much as

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 3>your town's going to get over and get over things

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<v Speaker 3>and get back on track in the next little while.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that that's the Cowboys on you chest there,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, boys, this is boy's going to say, mate, gee

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 3>sid put you know, rip my tongue out if it

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 3>was otherwise all the best mate to everyone who's in

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 3>the area. And yeah, we'll check back in a couple

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 3>of weeks time. Thanks mate. How good is it that's

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 3>the top of me. You want, right, someone who's not

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 3>going to pump it up and carry on other guy's

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 3>falling in. Yes, okay, trouble, We've haut trouble. This how

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 3>we felt fixed it. This is how we dealt with it.

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 3>This is how you know there is the slight positive

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 3>in and around it. Good stuff to hear. All right again,

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 3>Strength and love to everyone dealing with all of that,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as the issues that are going to continue

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 3>on up and down parts in North Quoinslane can always

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 3>send me in them my pullets gonews dot com dot are.

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<v Speaker 2>You now in a second? There are people who want us.

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<v Speaker 3>To change lots of laws around the country to stop

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 3>hate speech. I understand why, but I'm going to whine

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 3>and warn you why that's not a great idea. Next,

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 3>let me remind you we are coming to Bateman's Bay. Sorry,

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 3>I made a deal which camera to start on. Apologies

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 3>how other things in my head. So we're coming to

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<v Speaker 3>Batman's Bay. We're looking forward to being there in a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks time. I want to give it another

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<v Speaker 3>shout out because I want to fill this room. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So if you are anywhere in and around the South coast.

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<v Speaker 3>You would like to see the show live, I promise

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 3>you the biggest room that we can have fun in

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 3>in and around Bateman's Bay. We will do so Sunday,

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty third of February. You know the way I

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 3>want this to go, which is I want the people

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 3>who watch the show, like the show, to be the

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 3>first people to respond to say they are coming to

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<v Speaker 3>the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Even if you're somebody who thinks you can bring ten friends,

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<v Speaker 4>don't send me an email and say, oh, yeah, Paul,

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 4>I left ten ticket. No, No, this is for a

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 4>couple of people, you know, four people that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, we reckon We can fill the joint. I honestly

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 3>think we can do so. And we're going to be

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 3>doing something very special in Bateman's Bay at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>So send me an email tonight if you can get

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 3>there camera. Maybe make your way across like you normally

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:53.959
<v Speaker 3>do in your summer holidays, but you'll be sticking around

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 3>on a Sunday night, Sunday the twenty third.

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:57.879
<v Speaker 2>Send me an email out tent's goingews dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>That are you so back to the camera that I

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 3>thought that I got confused with before? Now you know

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 3>about the anti Semitic attacks that have been going on

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 3>too long in this country, and you also know that

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 3>there's not a day that goes by where there's not

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 3>a big conversation about this. And there was some pretty

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<v Speaker 3>amazing stuff that I've got to say came up in

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<v Speaker 3>again some polling that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll discuss on this issue.

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<v Speaker 4>The a Legra spender, who represents one of the areas

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<v Speaker 4>that have been the targets of these disgraceful acts, well,

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<v Speaker 4>she of course has been relatively low profile through all

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<v Speaker 4>of this, but she's coming out now and she's saying

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<v Speaker 4>that she needs to know we should be strengthening the

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 4>hate speech laws to cover serious vilification. This in part,

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<v Speaker 4>is her explaining why she thinks that hates speech laws

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<v Speaker 4>nationwide should be tightened up.

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<v Speaker 10>What I'm seeking to do in this legisation is to

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<v Speaker 10>put it is to include an offense for serious vilification

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<v Speaker 10>is part of the original drafting. It has been removed.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm seeking to bring it back again.

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<v Speaker 3>As for her partis into Allen in Victoria is also

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<v Speaker 3>considering issues when it comes to hate laws. Jewish organizations

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<v Speaker 3>have asked for those hate laws to be beefed up

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<v Speaker 3>in New South Wales. There is also a conversation in

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<v Speaker 3>and around all of that. In fact, the Victorian lives though,

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 3>they've got a shopping list of what they'd like to

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<v Speaker 3>tighten up when it comes to hate speech laws.

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<v Speaker 11>Seeing flags for her muss around Victoria is not something anyone.

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<v Speaker 11>Free speech I support is given people the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 11>have their say where it's fair and it's not hate.

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<v Speaker 11>But we want to make sure that if we're bringing

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<v Speaker 11>in legislation that we're not giving those protests the right

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<v Speaker 11>to use an exemption which will end up in court

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<v Speaker 11>hasn't been tried as yet, and the government can't even

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<v Speaker 11>guarantee that it won't rule out anti Semitic behavi you're

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 11>seeing now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned some polling before. There was very interesting polling.

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<v Speaker 4>That basically showed that it was the low forties of

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 4>people who believe that antisemitism is a major issue in.

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<v Speaker 2>The Australia Right now.

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.399
<v Speaker 4>There was something in and around again about the same

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:08.720
<v Speaker 4>number who believe that it is a significant issue. But disgracefully,

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<v Speaker 4>there was polling that came out today that showed that

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<v Speaker 4>in certain sections of the community they don't believe there's

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<v Speaker 4>any problem now the idea that you wouldn't think there's

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<v Speaker 4>any problem here when childcare centers the caravan with the explosives,

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<v Speaker 4>let alone, how many times do you need to say

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<v Speaker 4>see if to not conclude that there is an obvious

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 4>targeted problem here.

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<v Speaker 2>The issue that I have, though, is how we respond

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<v Speaker 2>to these things.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, for very obvious reasons, we need to have a

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 3>society that will not cop this, that will do every

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 3>and anything in its power to stamp this stuff out.

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<v Speaker 3>But I get nervous around the hate speech stuff. Not

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<v Speaker 3>because I want to protect those who would consider themselves

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<v Speaker 3>in business or wanting to do said things, say it

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<v Speaker 3>because you don't know what some of the unintended consequences are.

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 3>You might think that you've set up this whole sort

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 3>of legal trap for people that clearly is about people

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 3>who mean you harm, and therefore those people would be

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<v Speaker 3>treated at the most serious end of the offenses. My

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<v Speaker 3>issue with things that are at times as vague as

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<v Speaker 3>this is that I don't want to see a scenario

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<v Speaker 3>when somebody is able to use these laws to punish

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<v Speaker 3>somebody for what they perceive to be hate speech but

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 3>was never intended to clearly be something that was offensive Now,

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 3>if you're writing f the you meant to do it.

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 3>But if you made a comment about someone because of

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<v Speaker 3>something they did, but because of who someone is, they're

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<v Speaker 3>able to have access to these laws to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to go after you for what you said about their actions,

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 3>and I mean non criminal actions. You might just disagree

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<v Speaker 3>with a whole series of decisions that they've made, political

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<v Speaker 3>or otherwise, would they be able to use this legislation.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, not a lawyer, not even a Bush lawyer,

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 3>but it is something that always concerns me that we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to turn around here, because there has to remain

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<v Speaker 3>a legal standard about not just something someone finds offensive,

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 3>but there also has to be an intent for somebody

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 3>to go out and offend to be hateful. Because if

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 3>it is just only ever in the eye of the

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<v Speaker 3>beholder of the person who is the victim of this

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 3>or who will put themselves forward as the victim of this,

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<v Speaker 3>then I think we're going to be in a place

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<v Speaker 3>where most Australians wouldn't be comfortable. But it feels like

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<v Speaker 3>there is one march and one march only that is

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<v Speaker 3>being accepted when it comes to to this legislation. So

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<v Speaker 3>I say travel cautiously, double check the dots and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>even put a sunset clause in where after two years

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 3>of the laws there's an opportunity to renew them or

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 3>to change them. That way, if somebody has misused the laws,

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 3>you have an opportunity to change it right quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Back with more.

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<v Speaker 3>Nigel Farras next here on Paul Murray Life. Speaking of

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<v Speaker 3>the floods, could this be the most Australian thing you've

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 3>ever seen?

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And wear Australians.

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Just stop there?

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.319
<v Speaker 4>Only in townsh guys, check this out?

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:26.720
<v Speaker 1>This is that the weir?

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 4>No, it's not that, the damn the you're this guy?

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:33.760
<v Speaker 10>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Niger Frars joins us from London. You know when there's

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 3>flooding in the UK, are they catching fish with their

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 3>bare hands?

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Are they just going into.

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.399
<v Speaker 4>The rivers and grabbing the biggest one they can and

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 4>throwing it over the shoulder or do we just leave

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<v Speaker 4>that to the outer rims?

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<v Speaker 12>Oh, I think we'll leave that to you guys. The

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 12>sad thing is and I kind of used to watch

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 12>rex Hunt, that great Australian fisherman, and I've got to

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 12>be honest, I'm a big rex Hunt fan.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got better fish than we've got. I'd a met that.

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:19.319
<v Speaker 3>All right, far enough, fair enough, all right, let's talk

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 3>about a huge event that's coming up for Reform. You

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 3>are going to hold the biggest rally in UK political history.

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:30.840
<v Speaker 3>How many people were and you expect they're going to

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 3>turn up? Have they promised? Have they bought the tickets?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us about what you're planning.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean normally when political parties in Britain have conferences,

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 12>they might get three.

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Thousand, they might on a very big day get four thousand,

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 1>but that's about it.

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.320
<v Speaker 12>And we've got a very very enthusiastic new memberships.

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:52.799
<v Speaker 1>So we've booked a big venue in Birmingham.

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<v Speaker 12>It'll be the launch of our local election campaign as

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.880
<v Speaker 12>the English counties go to vote on May the first,

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 12>and we have mayors being contested in many parts of

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 12>the country. So yeah, we're going to get five figures

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 12>plus turning up and the others Labor and Conservative can't

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 12>do that. There's no energy, there's no enthusiasm, and at

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 12>the moment Reform is on a bit of a role.

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.320
<v Speaker 12>We're feeling very optimistic about things.

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 3>I was talking before about a caution or maybe a

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 3>problem that exists in our parliamentary systems. That means we

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:25.960
<v Speaker 3>can't have the full Trump right, We don't have the

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 3>executive power, we don't have as many people that are

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 3>appointed to governments. There's not entirely the alternative economy or

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.360
<v Speaker 3>conservative economy that exists in things like the United States.

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 2>But back bye bye.

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 3>But we can have leaders like yourself who have the

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 3>same want to get on with it. And hasn't it

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 3>been amazing the first two weeks of Trump. The first

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.399
<v Speaker 3>two weeks of Trump, it's a dozen things a day

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 3>and it's not chaos. It's like they have done their

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 3>homework in the four years that they were out and

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 3>they didn't just come up with what do we want

0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 3>to do? But how are we going to do it?

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:02.440
<v Speaker 3>And everything from problems in the FBI to the trade

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 3>scenario where basically without firing a shot, he's got ten

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.319
<v Speaker 3>thousand troops that Mexico is going to put on the

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 3>board at the southern border, and effectiveness in the relationship

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 3>with Canada. This is the future of the type of

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 3>leadership that people want, which is not oh, incremental change,

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:19.680
<v Speaker 3>no no, no, no, fix it.

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 12>Yeah no, I mean right across the West, what people

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 12>want is real genuine radical change because the sort of

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 12>global estatus quo just hasn't helped anybody. But I know

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 12>you're right to put your finger on something that the

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 12>American president does have executive powers and also the ability

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.839
<v Speaker 12>through patronage to put people into powers a position in

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 12>a way that doesn't happen in Australia and doesn't happen here.

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:49.320
<v Speaker 1>But but if.

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 12>You have a prime minister who is committed to a

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:58.359
<v Speaker 12>radical agenda, with a party behind them in Parliament that's

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 12>in a majority and is you can still do it.

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 12>I'm thinking back forty years to the early eighties. Margaret

0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 12>Thatcher had everybody against her, the BBC, the trade unions,

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.280
<v Speaker 12>you name it. Everybody was against her, the civil service.

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:17.720
<v Speaker 12>But she was able because she had a united Party

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 12>behind her to put in place some radical, though painful

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.839
<v Speaker 12>in the short term changes. So it can be done

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 12>in our countries, not as quickly as America, but we

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 12>do need unity of purpose within our parties.

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 3>But also fascinating to think about as well, the types

0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:38.239
<v Speaker 3>of things that are being confronted here. Now you know,

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<v Speaker 3>again a week ago, but still how important When Trump's

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<v Speaker 3>talking about d banking, all right, and I was watching

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<v Speaker 3>a conversation amongst a bunch of people obsessing about politics

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<v Speaker 3>in the United States from the United States, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They were all kind of shocked. What's he talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>This thing that's just being pulled out out of his backside?

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<v Speaker 2>So blind?

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<v Speaker 3>So blind are some of the people who parade as

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<v Speaker 3>the professionals who should know all sides to what you

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<v Speaker 3>went through in the UK that plenty have gone through.

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<v Speaker 1>In the US.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, my D banking scandal sort of dominated the front

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<v Speaker 12>pages for about two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was as if the.

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<v Speaker 12>Whole banking industry were trying to drive me out of

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<v Speaker 12>the country.

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<v Speaker 1>It was astonishing. I won in the end, and the.

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<v Speaker 12>Chief executive of Britain's biggest bank had to resign, the

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<v Speaker 12>chief executive subsidiary had to resign. So there were two

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<v Speaker 12>pretty good scalps that I was pleased with. But no,

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<v Speaker 12>this is happening, not just here, it's happening. And by

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<v Speaker 12>the way, D banking is now in the Oxford English

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<v Speaker 12>Dictionary thanks to me, I've changed the language.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thrilled.

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<v Speaker 12>So what these commentators in America are saying, oh, we've

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<v Speaker 12>never heard of D banking, Well to tell me what

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<v Speaker 12>it's in the OED and Trump is going to fight

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<v Speaker 12>very hard on this one too. You see, Ultimately, the

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<v Speaker 12>more digitized we become, you can't survive or exist without

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<v Speaker 12>bank accounts or means of payment. If you think about it,

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<v Speaker 12>it's the ultimate form of cancel culture. And it must

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<v Speaker 12>be four everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean in my last minute here, but well

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<v Speaker 3>done on the pole. You're number one at twenty five,

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<v Speaker 3>Labour twenty four, Conservatives twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it's four ahen and nine. Mate. We begin where

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<v Speaker 2>we end, where we begin.

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<v Speaker 3>The joint is wrapping itself around a movement for change.

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<v Speaker 12>Absolutely, and you know what, the consensus we've had for

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<v Speaker 12>years doesn't work. Ordinary folk get poorer, our borders are open,

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<v Speaker 12>excess migration changes our communities. People want strong, patriotic, real

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<v Speaker 12>leadership that actually cares about ordinary people, not just the

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<v Speaker 12>big corporates.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like you've had to time out before.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much, Nigel to appreciate it. He knows

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<v Speaker 4>what it's like when the clock and they're deafening in

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<v Speaker 4>the ear that it's time to go.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk again next week, Thank you mate. Well see

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<v Speaker 3>you again tomorrow night, where our special guest is the

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<v Speaker 3>Wonderful Megan Killy Late debate next on Sky News