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Speaker 3: Now and fire both are extremes that are affecting different
Speaker 3: parts of our country. I start with this tonight because
Speaker 3: it is the greatest urgency for the people living in
Speaker 3: those areas. Not everything's political, so let's focus in on
Speaker 3: these people and also look, there is no good news
Speaker 3: out of these scenarios, but seemingly the situation in Townsville
Speaker 3: has gotten better. However, the focus now moves a little
Speaker 3: further north, about halfway between Townsville and Cans. Don't hit
Speaker 3: me on the absolute kilometers, but basically halfway the city
Speaker 3: of Ingham.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Ingham is a small but beautiful part of Queensland, and
Speaker 3: it is being absolutely smashed. It has been smashed where
Speaker 3: it has been cut off. It has no power, There
Speaker 3: are problems with drinking water, there are mass evacuations, There
Speaker 3: are all sorts of problems that are.
Speaker 4: Happening in that part of Queensland right now. Here are
Speaker 4: some of the people that are caught up in it. Now,
Speaker 4: Strength and love to everyone in Ingham tonight.
Speaker 5: There's so many properties around here that are so heavily
Speaker 5: affected by it. In all my life to them, I've
Speaker 5: never experienced so much water since I've lived here in Engham, I.
Speaker 1: Haven't seen anything like it. Bloody, it's hard, it's hard.
Speaker 2: A lot of people are doing it tough, very very tough.
Speaker 3: I should also say when it comes to Townsville that
Speaker 3: there have still been plenty of evacuations in evacuation centers.
Speaker 3: We're not pretending there's no story there. But the epicenter
Speaker 3: of the problems in North Queensland right now, the most
Speaker 3: urgent is what is happening right now in and around
Speaker 3: in Ingham. This is the latest that the Queensland authorities
Speaker 3: are telling the locals, and I pass on to you
Speaker 3: tonight by a Sky News Regional Flash or Fox Tell.
Speaker 5: We have more police on the ground than possibly ever before.
Speaker 5: We have almost six hundred police working across the region,
Speaker 5: assisted bybout one hundred and forty police have been deployed
Speaker 5: from other areas, coupled with hundreds of SES volunteers, and
Speaker 5: as we heard earlier, there are hundreds more on the way,
Speaker 5: not only from down south but from Mina State.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In a second, I'm going to check in with someone
Speaker 3: in Ingham for the latest information. How the Tan's holding
Speaker 3: up and whether they are getting the support that they
Speaker 3: so desperately need. Stick around for that, because obviously, if
Speaker 3: you're in the middle of it, you desperately want to know.
Speaker 3: If you, like me, love the people all over this country,
Speaker 3: particularly regional Australia, well you want to know exactly what
Speaker 3: help is on its way.
Speaker 2: Meantime.
Speaker 3: Fires, now, you haven't heard a lot about these, because
Speaker 3: again it seems like the media can only kind of
Speaker 3: handle one thing at a time. But we know there
Speaker 3: have been some fires in around the Grampians in Victoria.
Speaker 2: We know there has been.
Speaker 3: Several properties and lots of evacuations. This is the latest
Speaker 3: that we hear from them about the events of the
Speaker 3: past couple of days. And again I say for the
Speaker 3: unday time, strength and love to everyone dealing with this stuff.
Speaker 6: That's really challenging forested terrain. We've got rocky escarpments, so
Speaker 6: we can't necessarily just what we traditionally do is use
Speaker 6: bulldozers to cut lines in around these fires and then
Speaker 6: do backburning operations or burning out operations to remove the
Speaker 6: fuel from in front of these fires. That is really difficult.
Speaker 3: So we're keeping on all of it. If you are
Speaker 3: in a position to communicate with us, please do so.
Speaker 3: Paul It's goodnews dot com. DOUF you would like a
Speaker 3: message to go out to the rest of the country,
Speaker 3: to the officials about help that is greater needed. But
Speaker 3: as always, thanks to everyone who's the volunteer. Thanks to
Speaker 3: everyone who is in the community helping a neighbor, a stranger,
Speaker 3: family or friend. And thank you to everyone whose full
Speaker 3: time job is to go towards people on.
Speaker 2: The toughest days of their lives. A grateful nation says
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: Of course, I would not expend such grace to the
Speaker 3: politicians of our country, but specifically the Prime Minister. As
Speaker 3: I explained in great chapter and verse last night, he
Speaker 3: wants to pretend that everything is awesome, but the reality is.
Speaker 2: Quite the opposite.
Speaker 3: Direct question today from Peter Dutton, it basically was along
Speaker 3: the lines of what I laid out last night, again
Speaker 3: in great detail, about everything that's actually gone wrong in
Speaker 3: the past three years. And by that I don't mean
Speaker 3: stuff that happened two years ago. I'm saying today on
Speaker 3: February fourth, where Australians are compared to where they.
Speaker 7: Were on day one of albert Under this week Albanzi
Speaker 7: Labor Government. Interest rates have increased twelve times, energy bills
Speaker 7: have risen by one thousand dollars, living standards have collapsed,
Speaker 7: twenty seven thousand businesses have gone insolvent, and we're in
Speaker 7: a record breaking household recession. Will the Prime Minister now
Speaker 7: apologize for promising Australians they would be better off and
Speaker 7: admit that they can't afford another three years of this week,
Speaker 7: Albanzi Labor Government.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: The nature of the way the question was actually asked
Speaker 4: meant the Prime Minister had well a giant hole that
Speaker 4: he could jump through, and of course he said, nothing
Speaker 4: to see here. You should be skipping in the streets
Speaker 4: and thanking the great Landlord of Australia.
Speaker 2: When we came to office.
Speaker 8: Really, incomes we're going backwards, Inflation was going up. Rises
Speaker 8: had a six in front of it, and indeed we
Speaker 8: had people's living standards going backwards, and we had deficits,
Speaker 8: a seventy eight billion dollar deficit that we inherited in
Speaker 8: the March twenty and twenty two budget.
Speaker 3: But as we know, the Camera bubble and those who
Speaker 3: protect the Canberra bubble, or they want to pretend the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister's version of events that look, it's COVID style
Speaker 3: where we've been through the worst of Congratulations everyone, you're
Speaker 3: the new version of the ANZACs because we did this together. Well,
Speaker 3: it's not going to work because unlike a situation like that,
Speaker 3: this one is so many more multiple fronts and they
Speaker 3: are trying to say look over there, while the reality
Speaker 3: of the experienced people are having is very different. Put
Speaker 3: simply in Parliament House, every MP, every senator has got
Speaker 3: three pay rises in this term. Every public servant has
Speaker 3: got the biggest pay rise in a decade. They live
Speaker 3: in very rarefied era and good luck to you if
Speaker 3: you're on the gravy train. But it is as far away.
Speaker 2: From the real world as you can imagine.
Speaker 3: Because in the suburbs, and it doesn't matter if we're
Speaker 3: talking about the suburbs of Perth, Dubbo, Darwin, Lonnie.
Speaker 4: Or you pick it where you are, the struggle, the
Speaker 4: struggle is real.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to show you this every night because
Speaker 3: I want this to be as clear as day as
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister tries to pretend I was a burning
Speaker 3: binfire and then we put the burning binfire out and
Speaker 3: thanks to the hard work of Australians. We've all got
Speaker 3: through this together. There's not just light at the end
Speaker 3: of the tunnel. We're out on the other side and
Speaker 3: the open fields. The reality in February of twenty and
Speaker 3: twenty five, after this first term of this awful government,
Speaker 3: it's lying must be called out because the reality of
Speaker 3: life under labor is as follows. Thirty percent of homes
Speaker 3: are in mortgage stress, fifty eight percent of low income
Speaker 3: households are in rental stress. Twelve interest rate rises have
Speaker 3: resulted in fourteen thousand, four hundred dollars extra in repayments
Speaker 3: for every five hundred thousand dollars that you have borrowed.
Speaker 2: So double it to twenty eight if you've got a million,
Speaker 2: and go from there.
Speaker 3: Those numbers again, not from some far right wing think tank.
Speaker 2: I've got the receipts.
Speaker 3: I can gladly send them to anyone who wishes to
Speaker 3: dispute them. Twenty one months, the average Australian has been
Speaker 3: in a recession, while the government barely keeps itself alive
Speaker 3: by borrowing money from China and just hurling it into
Speaker 3: the air by, among other things, hiring more public servants.
Speaker 2: And giving them high pay rises.
Speaker 3: So in the real world, it's the lowest living standards
Speaker 3: since nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 4: Twenty seven. Five hundred and eighty businesses have gone bust
Speaker 4: since Alberanzi was elected. Three million people are this close
Speaker 4: to homelessness. Three point seven million go hungry every single week.
Speaker 4: Yet despite all of those problems, let's bring in another
Speaker 4: one point three million people to add to the ever
Speaker 4: growing issues. And just a reminder to the Prime Minister
Speaker 4: and the people who seek to give him a free
Speaker 4: pass between now and the election because they like the
Speaker 4: arrangements as they currently are, as opposed to a government
Speaker 4: who promised to make it better being punished because they
Speaker 4: failed to do so.
Speaker 2: In fact, it got worse.
Speaker 3: There was an interesting piece of research which came out
Speaker 3: today about just how little money the average Australian has
Speaker 3: in the bank. Now think about this. According to Finder Today,
Speaker 3: one in five Australians have less than one hundred dollars
Speaker 3: in the bank, not five hundred, not one thousand, one hundred.
Speaker 2: Now you think about where that.
Speaker 3: Hundred dollars is supposed to stretch until the next time
Speaker 3: they get a payment, either from the government via welfare
Speaker 3: or maybe it's the fifteenth of the month when it
Speaker 3: comes to work. If they're casuals, maybe it's each and
Speaker 3: every week. That statistic is an indictment on the government
Speaker 3: because it shows the reality of a society where more
Speaker 3: people are having double jobs to make ends meet, yet
Speaker 3: still one in five have less than one hundred dollars
Speaker 3: in the bank. These are the people who are frightened
Speaker 3: if something happens to the fridge. These are the people
Speaker 3: who are frightened if the head gasket in the car
Speaker 3: that they already fixed last year is going to go again.
Speaker 3: These are the people who will simply go without in
Speaker 3: order to make it through to the next day. Supposedly
Speaker 3: the people that the bloke from the housing commissioned stock
Speaker 3: would remember, but of course he does not. He just
Speaker 3: uses those people as a prop, those people as a
Speaker 3: prop to say, I am of this flock. But in
Speaker 3: terms of how he lives his life he of course
Speaker 3: six hundred thousand dollars. Of course the Prime Minister should
Speaker 3: be paid a significant amount of money that as an
Speaker 3: example of the life lived. Come on the taxpayer funded mansion.
Speaker 3: The staff everywhere, let alone the people that, as I say,
Speaker 3: every person in the Parliament.
Speaker 2: The life of upgrade Elbow is.
Speaker 3: A very very long way away from the story of
Speaker 3: which he.
Speaker 2: Was most famous for. Good luck to him.
Speaker 3: He's done whatever he can to get to the place
Speaker 3: that he always dreamed of, that being the Lodge. But
Speaker 3: that is about as far away from the real world
Speaker 3: as possible for any Australian. And good luck having this
Speaker 3: bloke and the little dab too to be able to
Speaker 3: relate to the average Australian. When yes, he has been
Speaker 3: able to play the system. That means he's got a
Speaker 3: bunch of investment properties. So on top of his six
Speaker 3: hundred thousand, on top of his lifetime pension, on top
Speaker 3: of the two taxpayer funded mansions, his property portfolio sends
Speaker 3: him one hundred and twenty thousand dollars in rent each
Speaker 3: every year. So good luck telling everything that everyone that
Speaker 3: everything is awesome, because the reality in the Urbs is
Speaker 3: it ain't and it got worse under your leadership. It
Speaker 3: got worse because of your leadership. And they will send
Speaker 3: a message. And I know this because the people who
Speaker 3: are trying to find the way to build the case
Speaker 3: for the benefit of the doubt the people who will
Speaker 3: gladly reprint all the stuff that you've got in the
Speaker 3: dirt unit, which has produced very little, by the way,
Speaker 3: when it comes to Peter Dutton and trying to scare
Speaker 3: people with ads, even on taxpayer television. When they sent
Speaker 3: a reporter out into the western suburbs of Sydney on
Speaker 3: a field trip, presumably not many people who work for
Speaker 3: Channel two live in this part of the world.
Speaker 2: Maybe this bloke did, Maybe he knew the right people
Speaker 2: to talk to.
Speaker 3: He went to the seat of Wherrerower where Awer in
Speaker 3: Sydney's West is one the Labour parties held onto for
Speaker 3: a bloody long time, but its margins have been being
Speaker 3: eaten away.
Speaker 2: It's now at about five percent.
Speaker 3: It would be one of the seats that statistically could
Speaker 3: be up for grabs at this election. And believe it
Speaker 3: or not, it was breaking news on four Corners last
Speaker 3: night what I have been telling you every night and
Speaker 3: you have been living for three years under this bloke.
Speaker 3: But they did tell the part of the country that
Speaker 3: would like to think it's not a problem that it is.
Speaker 1: For the first time.
Speaker 9: Four Corners reveals that in eighty two percent of seats
Speaker 9: most households are in financial stress, astonishingly up from just
Speaker 9: eight percent three years ago. That's where paychecks barely cover
Speaker 9: basic living expenses and WHEREWA has the second highest level
Speaker 9: of financial stress in Australia.
Speaker 3: It's up to the opposition to make the case that
Speaker 3: it is time not just to break up with the
Speaker 3: people you've always voted for, but that there is a
Speaker 3: better plan They will achieve or not that in the
Speaker 3: next few weeks and months.
Speaker 2: But people are ready.
Speaker 3: They are ready to for the first time for the
Speaker 3: party they have never voted for, similar to Boris Johnson,
Speaker 3: similar to Donald Trump. May be so when it comes
Speaker 3: to the Liberal Party and Peter Darton, here's somebody who
Speaker 3: you presume by the way they were presented in the show,
Speaker 3: who'd been a regular labor voter no more in where
Speaker 3: or were for this lady.
Speaker 10: They're seeing that, you know, crime has changed, that it's
Speaker 10: not the same place where they grew up, where everyone
Speaker 10: got along, and it is becoming overpopulated, but there's not
Speaker 10: enough infrastructure and supports out there to help maintain it.
Speaker 10: And there's like some very different ideas are kind of
Speaker 10: getting all mixed together and there's no kind of unity for.
Speaker 2: Like the Australian values. You see that that's we're.
Speaker 10: Losing a bit of that. We're overready for the labor
Speaker 10: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and why not.
Speaker 10: Because we want to set your change and we think
Speaker 10: that's probably the way the way that that can happen,
Speaker 10: and that maybe the government starts looking at our area
Speaker 10: as an area that isn't just going to sit around
Speaker 10: and let what's happening to it happen.
Speaker 3: They even found an academic, yes, an academic who said
Speaker 3: that Western Sydney is one.
Speaker 4: Of the parts of Australia that might be a little
Speaker 4: dut and curious. We will all find out together.
Speaker 3: But the Prime Minister needs to change his tune if
Speaker 3: he thinks that he's going to be able to sit
Speaker 3: inside the camper bubble where everyone's got three pay prices
Speaker 3: on the floor of Parliament and all the staff, all
Speaker 3: the rest of it, good luck because the people who
Speaker 3: are watching on and to be honest, most of them
Speaker 3: are not white because they've had enough of this bloke.
Speaker 3: They are not going to fall for it. That's all
Speaker 3: wait and see. But certainly one of the other things
Speaker 3: that is really frustrating people is that the system under
Speaker 3: which that we work, and by that I mean a
Speaker 3: system that finds different ways to squeeze us all for
Speaker 3: cash each and every day. Now, I've spoken at great
Speaker 3: length and I try to show you that reports the data,
Speaker 3: all the rest of it. Now, it doesn't mean we're perfect,
Speaker 3: doesn't mean people are going to come for us. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: if we have a swing, they're going to have a
Speaker 3: swing back. You get how this works, right, But one
Speaker 3: of the things that I've worked out that is one
Speaker 3: of the most effective things that I can do as
Speaker 3: a person who thinks the country is in the wrong
Speaker 3: direction and we need to make a change. A way
Speaker 3: is to arm you with the information to be able
Speaker 3: to have the arguments that may well convince people or
Speaker 3: maybe they see the video where they watch the show.
Speaker 3: Certainly I would like that. But let's talk about tax
Speaker 3: Let's talk about where the government gets its money from.
Speaker 2: Well, as I've told you many times, it's you.
Speaker 3: It's people working, it's the people paying as they go
Speaker 3: each and every month. When it comes to taxation, all
Speaker 3: of that has increased under this government. The dirty little
Speaker 3: side taxes like booze and cigarettes and petrol, all of
Speaker 3: those again at record highs under this government. And then
Speaker 3: of course the cost of everything once you get to
Speaker 3: a shop is nothing to do with tax, but it
Speaker 3: means that what little money you have, you're very careful
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: And when there is such a big part of.
Speaker 3: Your income going to the government, you want to make
Speaker 3: sure that they are actually taking care of people. And
Speaker 3: if three point seven million people don't know where the
Speaker 3: food's going to come from by the end of the week,
Speaker 3: three million people are this close to homelessness. Even the
Speaker 3: ABC telling you what, almost ninety percent of homes in
Speaker 3: the key electorates are in financial stress. No one is
Speaker 3: going to buy that this government has done well with
Speaker 3: the money that they get.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know where this sits on the political spectrum,
Speaker 3: and sometimes I fail the purity test of being in
Speaker 3: this pocket or that pocket, or singing from this song
Speaker 3: sheet or whatever. I am who I am, And we've
Speaker 3: been mates for a long time. And I don't know
Speaker 3: whether this appeals to one side of politics more than
Speaker 3: the other. But this that I'm about to show you
Speaker 3: has to change. This is what Australians have had enough of.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: For some that might be right wing economic populism that
Speaker 3: they're going to be drawn to. For others, it's going
Speaker 3: to be far left wing economic populism. But tell me
Speaker 3: if you're okay with this system. The federal government, according
Speaker 3: to Budget Paper number one, last year, it got six
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty eight billion.
Speaker 4: Dollars in revenue. Forty seven billions dollars of that is
Speaker 4: axis tax. Like I said, it's a beer and petrol
Speaker 4: and cigarettes, even clothing and footwear. The GST eighty seven
Speaker 4: billion dollars. Now that money basically is cutoff, doesn't get
Speaker 4: hived off to the federal government, but goes back to
Speaker 4: the states.
Speaker 2: And the states always are asking for more money.
Speaker 3: They'd be the ones who'd love an increase in the
Speaker 3: GST because that number would clearly go up in the
Speaker 3: revenue that would come to them. But to be the
Speaker 3: federal government that would end up copying the politics for
Speaker 3: that quote unquote increase in tax. Of the six hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty eight b for billion dollars the federal government
Speaker 3: was expecting in revenue, one hundred and thirty nine billion
Speaker 3: dollars of that is company tax. And the single greater
Speaker 3: source of the three six hundred and fifty eight billion
Speaker 3: dollars in revenue is personal income tax. Pay as you
Speaker 3: go is now three hundred and twenty six B for
Speaker 3: billion dollars. Do the sums on how many multiples that
Speaker 3: is of beer and petrol, how many multiples that is
Speaker 3: of company tax? How many multiples that is of the GST?
Speaker 3: And we have a system that is broken. So when
Speaker 3: they turn around and say, well, we deserve you know,
Speaker 3: we deserve a pat on the back because too little,
Speaker 3: too late tax cuts. Remember the overall tax cut per
Speaker 3: week for somebody earning about forty five thousand dollars to
Speaker 3: people in safe places like where are what?
Speaker 2: Fourteen bucks? Fourteen dollars?
Speaker 3: And when everything else was going up in prices, including
Speaker 3: of course power. But it wasn't that supposed to be
Speaker 3: fixed by now all of that has not just been
Speaker 3: gobbled up. It was never noticed. It did not even
Speaker 3: touch the middle, let alone the sides of the problem.
Speaker 3: That in part is why the Prime Minister is where
Speaker 3: he is. And guess what I've got even more bad
Speaker 3: news for because the latest polling about the Prime Minister
Speaker 3: and the opposition leader is fascinating to watch. As always,
Speaker 3: I like that I go into the detail of or
Speaker 3: I am able to give you the detail of the
Speaker 3: polling information about the Prime Minister, about the opposition leader
Speaker 3: that comes to us from the turbul Times.
Speaker 2: But you know what the headlines say.
Speaker 3: The Albernezi says that he's going to be a majority government,
Speaker 3: but the reality.
Speaker 2: Is probably not going to happen.
Speaker 3: Why because even in the Guardian that as I said,
Speaker 3: they're going to spin. They don't spin the numbers, but
Speaker 3: they spin the tale of the numbers. So this is
Speaker 3: where they were a couple of weeks ago that the
Speaker 3: voters were more positive. Now they were like one two
Speaker 3: points more positive. Okay, but you know he's in trouble
Speaker 3: when this is the best that the joint that his
Speaker 3: press secretary used to work for can spin. On today's pole,
Speaker 3: more voters say Anthony Aberneze is out of touch with
Speaker 3: ordinary Australians than Peter Dunton. Oh I imagine the joy
Speaker 3: they had trying to sub that headline. That's the best
Speaker 3: thing they could put on it for the Prime minister.
Speaker 3: Why because in the Essential poll today, sixty three percent
Speaker 3: of people say the Prime Minister is out of touch,
Speaker 3: Fifty one percent of people say that he doesn't handle pressure.
Speaker 3: Only forty three percent of people think that he's decisive.
Speaker 3: Only forty two percent believe that he is trustworthy, and
Speaker 3: only twenty seven percent think that he's got a better
Speaker 3: get up and go a bit of aggression, bit of
Speaker 3: agro in him. And by that I don't just mean
Speaker 3: fighting Tories, I mean fighting for the very people who
Speaker 3: supposedly he is of who he represents. But i'd upgrade
Speaker 3: he's about as far off the mark as you could
Speaker 3: possibly imagine. I also want to say something here about
Speaker 3: politics when it comes to Australia and people on the
Speaker 3: conservative side of politics who would desperately love you know,
Speaker 3: why can't we have a Trump right? Why can't dunt
Speaker 3: just basically click do a Trump and therefore we would
Speaker 3: get the same result. Now you know how much I
Speaker 3: love Trump, I've got a bit to say in a
Speaker 3: moment about just how much is winning in the past
Speaker 3: twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: And it has actually been phenomenal, the wins that he
Speaker 2: has had.
Speaker 4: In just the first two weeks, two weeks of his
Speaker 4: presidency truly transformational stuff. But we do have to tempest
Speaker 4: some expectations about what the alternative Prime minister can possibly
Speaker 4: do in terms of replicating the language, the decision making
Speaker 4: and many other things to do with DJT. But of
Speaker 4: course it won't stop much of the left wing media
Speaker 4: trying to link any decision that is made in campaign style,
Speaker 4: policy or rhetoric, oh to Trumpian because you know ulgad
Speaker 4: boga Trump bad orange man, bad bald man, even worse.
Speaker 3: You get it the New York Times. Who in the
Speaker 3: New York Times is reading about Australian politics. But anyway,
Speaker 3: Australia's top conservative follows Trump's playbook in taxpayer TV and radio,
Speaker 3: mirroring Trump dunn'ts and aim at diversity in the nine
Speaker 3: papers straight from the Trump playbook. You see this over
Speaker 3: and over and over again. And any attempt to grain
Speaker 3: in the spending or to change the way that taxation works, well,
Speaker 3: of course that is just Elon Musk right. Any how
Speaker 3: many times do you see headlines or versions of this?
Speaker 3: You know you sent a price with her new job
Speaker 3: that somehow all of this. And we saw today the
Speaker 3: Business Council of Australia, who by the way, were standing
Speaker 3: behind the Prime Minister clapping him on while he made
Speaker 3: the choices about forty three percent of one percent of
Speaker 3: carbon emissions and eighty something percent of power lines and
Speaker 3: power to come from renewable energy. They are now saying
Speaker 3: that Australia needs a Musk style agenda The Guardian again,
Speaker 3: the Turnbull Times. I say that because, of course he
Speaker 3: helped will it into action. Dunton wants to slash thousands
Speaker 3: of government jobs and an Elon must style cruise. Sayed Now,
Speaker 3: the reason I mention all of this is because I
Speaker 3: love what's happening in the United States right now. I
Speaker 3: like them rather than incremental change.
Speaker 4: And oh what happens if we make a really big decision?
Speaker 2: Well, have we got enough political who cares?
Speaker 3: You've got the power ram change change, chain change.
Speaker 2: Now for those who didn't vote for it.
Speaker 3: They go, oh, this guy's falling in destruction. Guess what
Speaker 3: he was hired to do. To break what doesn't work
Speaker 3: and to rebuild something that is better. That's why it
Speaker 3: works in the United States. But why Australia can't have
Speaker 3: a Trump is a whole bunch of reasons. But I
Speaker 3: want to explain this to people because inevitably I get asked, hey,
Speaker 3: why can't we all it wouldn't your love in US
Speaker 3: Ossie Trump? Yeah, of course, but we don't have power
Speaker 3: in Australia that exists in one person and one office
Speaker 3: in the United States, they have a thing called executive power,
Speaker 3: the authority that comes to the presidency. Remember, of course,
Speaker 3: you can have a bill in the lower House that's
Speaker 3: passed by the upper House. It's not law until the
Speaker 3: president signs it or can veto it. There's also about
Speaker 3: four thousand jobs in the American government which every time
Speaker 3: there is a new president, they are wiped and they
Speaker 3: are reset with the people whom the president approves off.
Speaker 3: About twelve hundred of those need to go through the
Speaker 3: Senate process. But put simply, rather than a public service
Speaker 3: where everyone in it has been there for a very
Speaker 3: long time and they know at the end of the
Speaker 3: day they can probably slow play the ball. Wait, you
Speaker 3: out leak to the opposition. Well, in America, basically the
Speaker 3: whole top is ripped off these organizations and a new
Speaker 3: one is put on top. That is not our system
Speaker 3: that we have in Australia. I personally think that it
Speaker 3: would be much more efficient for all governments of all
Speaker 3: stripes at all times to have more opportunities to be
Speaker 3: able to make a dramatic change at the top developments
Speaker 3: of the public service, to be able to make appointments
Speaker 3: that will carry out their agenda. And then sure they
Speaker 3: ever lose power, guess what they would lose that as well.
Speaker 3: The next team would be able to come in, but
Speaker 3: we would be able to avoid the scenario that often
Speaker 3: plays out in Australia, which is that the government that's
Speaker 3: about to go out the back door feels as many
Speaker 3: positions as possible on like five year contracts for people
Speaker 3: who they know are going to create trouble for the
Speaker 3: government that is coming in. That's why it's difficult, if
Speaker 3: not impossible, for the trumpy thing to happen here. The
Speaker 3: second thing at the very heart of the Trump agenda
Speaker 3: in the first term, and even sharper focus in the
Speaker 3: second is that for every new regulation that is introduced,
Speaker 3: they have to get rid of at least two pieces
Speaker 3: of regulation that already exists. In Australia, we seem to
Speaker 3: have this idea that the way that the system works
Speaker 3: or the laws works, should just be like sediment at
Speaker 3: the bottom of the ocean. You can't possibly undo what
Speaker 3: the government.
Speaker 2: Too before you did.
Speaker 3: Instead of none of you've just got to accept that
Speaker 3: that's the way things are. You must absolutely deliver on
Speaker 3: the promises of long gone prime ministers, or somehow you're
Speaker 3: involved in some sort of revolution or cut cut cut
Speaker 3: cut cart. And the third reason why in Australia we
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to have the same type of situation
Speaker 3: the place out of the United States is that there
Speaker 3: is no alternative economy now in the United States because
Speaker 3: the population is so big. Literally, there are mobile phone
Speaker 3: companies that will exclusively market to a certain political section
Speaker 3: of America. Literally, I think it's called Patriot Mobile. There
Speaker 3: are banks that are more open and favorable to one
Speaker 3: side of the country than the other. There's somewhere to
Speaker 3: go when it's not your mob that's in charge in
Speaker 3: this country. But business went woke a long time ago.
Speaker 3: They need to reverse it because they need to reconnect
Speaker 3: with their customer base, something that I make cost Samarus
Speaker 3: wrote about quite interestingly today in the Financial Review. Couses
Speaker 3: the bloke who runs the Red Bridge organization. He'll be
Speaker 3: with us each and every Sunday, or is offside of Steve,
Speaker 3: who are great insights into the data of where the
Speaker 3: country is right now. He of course used to work
Speaker 3: for the Labour Party, so he'll obviously at times find
Speaker 3: a way to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3: But still for the past twenty years, businesses have been
Speaker 3: aligned when it comes to their strategies with the values
Speaker 3: of the professional class, focusing on diversity programs, climate policies,
Speaker 3: progressive branding. While these initiatives have resonated with a stable
Speaker 3: and affluent demographic, teals they risk alienating a growing and
Speaker 3: increasingly vocal group of new swinging voters.
Speaker 2: See the lady that I just showed you before in.
Speaker 1: Where or one.
Speaker 3: This volatile demographic, particularly in the outer suburbs and regional areas,
Speaker 3: views the corporate gestures is out of touch with their
Speaker 3: economic realities. For them, priorities such as job security, cost
Speaker 3: of living, community investment far out weigh the displays of
Speaker 3: virtue signaling last one. As their political influence grows, business
Speaker 3: risks becoming simple of elite neglect. The backlash against woke
Speaker 3: capitalism is already evident in the public boycotts and political campaigns,
Speaker 3: and underscoring the urgent need for companies to reassess their priorities.
Speaker 3: Plenty more where that came from. As we roll on
Speaker 3: here tonight on pal Murray Life. But let's go back
Speaker 3: to the scenario that's playing out in North Queensland right now,
Speaker 3: specifically in Ingham and their mayor joins us right now.
Speaker 3: Raymond jo is his name, and he joins us now.
Speaker 3: Nice to see you, mate. Forgive me about the past
Speaker 3: couple of days. What we're seeing looks like it's bloody awful.
Speaker 3: Thinks slightly better or slightly worse tonight. Looking a bit
Speaker 3: better there, Paul, first, wee mate. Sorry I didn't shave
Speaker 3: for you, mate, I haven't had much time.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. I didn't shave for you either.
Speaker 4: It's all good now, feeling a bit more relaxed. The
Speaker 4: river is showing signs of receding finally, So just to
Speaker 4: put it all in perspective, we've had about seventeen hundred
Speaker 4: millimeters of rain in the last seven days, and essentially
Speaker 4: our Shire, which sits between Towns and kens three thousand
Speaker 4: square klomate, we probably had about three quarters of it underwater.
Speaker 4: Blind blood massive flood. We haven't seen floods like this
Speaker 4: since nineteen sixty seven. So yeah, it was a big
Speaker 4: shock to everybody. But fortunately we think that the water
Speaker 4: is receding.
Speaker 3: What are some of the little acts of kindness that
Speaker 3: you've seen over the past few days. You've seen it
Speaker 3: from people with a teeny helping somebody else out to
Speaker 3: somebody in a uniform. But when you think back over
Speaker 3: how your community and the people who've come to help
Speaker 3: your community have reacted in the past few days, what's
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that jumps to mind for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're quite lucky that we've got a caring community.
Speaker 4: And as you as you pointed out, you know, people
Speaker 4: in tennees helping out keep their neighbors in a bit
Speaker 4: of distress as the waters.
Speaker 2: Was coming up.
Speaker 4: We've had a lot of good work done by Swift
Speaker 4: Water Rescue, your crews and the SEES volunteers. Without them,
Speaker 4: we would have been in a lot of strife. But
Speaker 4: the neighbors all chipping in and also just the information
Speaker 4: sharing between the neighbors as the water was coming up.
Speaker 4: You know, we have a lot of new people in
Speaker 4: town and the old people of the town. You know,
Speaker 4: we're telling them what to expect, where the water would
Speaker 4: come from, how hi it might go. But yeah, everyone
Speaker 4: got surprised about the extent of water that we did.
Speaker 4: So we do have a good community. We have a
Speaker 4: resilient community. They're out there straight away now as soon
Speaker 4: as the water starts receding, they're out there, you know,
Speaker 4: starting to clean down, so I chase the water out
Speaker 4: of town, helping their neighbors with the debris and that
Speaker 4: taking the rubbish out to the road. So yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a good community. Actually, love our community. I love a
Speaker 4: picture that I saw somewhere. Forgive me if I mispronounced,
Speaker 4: I'm probably going to the hotel Yuramo?
Speaker 1: Is that it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And they had how do I pronounce that properly? Durama?
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: That don't help with it anyway, Sorry, pol Yeah, I
Speaker 3: made it all the way through year twelve, made public education.
Speaker 2: It just does me so well every day. I love
Speaker 2: this picture.
Speaker 3: There's a picture there, and I'm sorry I don't have
Speaker 3: the ability to shout right now, but basically it is
Speaker 3: the pub, water right up to it, tinnies all lined
Speaker 3: up at the front like a bunch of horses turning up,
Speaker 3: you know in the gold Rush. Yet the pub, even
Speaker 3: when parts of it had water lapping away there they
Speaker 3: are water up to the ankles, but they're still turning
Speaker 3: the sausages and they're still serving the beers. I just
Speaker 3: love that wherever the high spot was, turn up and
Speaker 3: we'll take.
Speaker 1: Care of you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually you remote that's in our neighbor in council.
Speaker 2: Are further up the road.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we've got similar we've got similar situations, similar
Speaker 4: similar positions where all the locals go to in time
Speaker 4: of need.
Speaker 2: And yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Watering points are the points to shelter them. Yes, for
Speaker 4: many different reasons for the good people in North Queen's Land.
Speaker 4: Now let's talk about the next little while and inevitable
Speaker 4: cleanups that have to take place here because as a
Speaker 4: council council, as the regional council, every dollar you're getting
Speaker 4: in rates, you're spending on everything from fixing potholes to
Speaker 4: picking up garbage, all the rest of it. Right, what
Speaker 4: do you need when inevitably there's an awful lot of
Speaker 4: stuff to gurney, there's a lot of stuff to clean up,
Speaker 4: and there's maybe extra bridges and roads that need to
Speaker 4: be fixed. And is there an ability for you to
Speaker 4: pick up the phone of the premiere down in Brisbane
Speaker 4: and something happens or are we going to be getting
Speaker 4: complaints from you in six months time that what they
Speaker 4: promised at the photo op never happened. Now, look, you
Speaker 4: know I have to say we've got a very good
Speaker 4: state government, and we've got a very good premier. Now
Speaker 4: that Premier has been talking to us every single day
Speaker 4: since this event started, not just me, everyone up the
Speaker 4: coast so and you know they're on board. They've thrown
Speaker 4: their resources at us. We've had so many state resources
Speaker 4: you are looking after us since it started that I've
Speaker 4: never ever seen.
Speaker 2: It like this before.
Speaker 4: As we go forward, obviously as the water goes down,
Speaker 4: we'll do our assessments and we'll see what the infrastructure damages.
Speaker 4: And then we also in Queensland, we're pretty lucky. We've
Speaker 4: got a good authority called the Queensland Reconstruction Authority that
Speaker 4: comes on boards and helps us. Now I can say
Speaker 4: this with a lot of conference. So just to give
Speaker 4: you an idea this flooding, although the extent of the
Speaker 4: flooding this time around was quite large. You know, we
Speaker 4: get a flood every year. The Herbert River, which is
Speaker 4: our main river system through the inch Brook, it drains
Speaker 4: seventy two percent of the wet tropics. So that gives
Speaker 4: you an idea how much water comes out of way.
Speaker 4: So you know this is not our first rodeo port
Speaker 4: so and but the Queensland government sits with us there
Speaker 4: with Queensland Reconstruction Authority, the assessments are done, the other
Speaker 4: money comes through, the work gets done and you know, actually,
Speaker 4: I don't want to say this to be too callous,
Speaker 4: but you know, flooding is pretty good for us because
Speaker 4: it creates a lot of work. It creates a lot
Speaker 4: of employment. We're always fixing a road or some infrastructure
Speaker 4: that's damaged in the flood. So you know we've got
Speaker 4: you know, a big turnover happening with it, right.
Speaker 3: I love it Raymond, that you're not you know, you're
Speaker 3: not going to build the lily. If there's a silver lining,
Speaker 3: let's go for it. As a Cowboys fan, you'd be
Speaker 3: hoping they're going to win the camp as much as
Speaker 3: your town's going to get over and get over things
Speaker 3: and get back on track in the next little while.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that that's the Cowboys on you chest there,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, boys, this is boy's going to say, mate, gee
Speaker 3: sid put you know, rip my tongue out if it
Speaker 3: was otherwise all the best mate to everyone who's in
Speaker 3: the area. And yeah, we'll check back in a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks time. Thanks mate. How good is it that's
Speaker 3: the top of me. You want, right, someone who's not
Speaker 3: going to pump it up and carry on other guy's
Speaker 3: falling in. Yes, okay, trouble, We've haut trouble. This how
Speaker 3: we felt fixed it. This is how we dealt with it.
Speaker 3: This is how you know there is the slight positive
Speaker 3: in and around it. Good stuff to hear. All right again,
Speaker 3: Strength and love to everyone dealing with all of that,
Speaker 3: as well as the issues that are going to continue
Speaker 3: on up and down parts in North Quoinslane can always
Speaker 3: send me in them my pullets gonews dot com dot are.
Speaker 2: You now in a second? There are people who want us.
Speaker 3: To change lots of laws around the country to stop
Speaker 3: hate speech. I understand why, but I'm going to whine
Speaker 3: and warn you why that's not a great idea. Next,
Speaker 3: let me remind you we are coming to Bateman's Bay. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I made a deal which camera to start on. Apologies
Speaker 3: how other things in my head. So we're coming to
Speaker 3: Batman's Bay. We're looking forward to being there in a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks time. I want to give it another
Speaker 3: shout out because I want to fill this room. Okay,
Speaker 3: So if you are anywhere in and around the South coast.
Speaker 3: You would like to see the show live, I promise
Speaker 3: you the biggest room that we can have fun in
Speaker 3: in and around Bateman's Bay. We will do so Sunday,
Speaker 3: the twenty third of February. You know the way I
Speaker 3: want this to go, which is I want the people
Speaker 3: who watch the show, like the show, to be the
Speaker 3: first people to respond to say they are coming to
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Even if you're somebody who thinks you can bring ten friends,
Speaker 4: don't send me an email and say, oh, yeah, Paul,
Speaker 4: I left ten ticket. No, No, this is for a
Speaker 4: couple of people, you know, four people that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Right, we reckon We can fill the joint. I honestly
Speaker 3: think we can do so. And we're going to be
Speaker 3: doing something very special in Bateman's Bay at the same time.
Speaker 3: So send me an email tonight if you can get
Speaker 3: there camera. Maybe make your way across like you normally
Speaker 3: do in your summer holidays, but you'll be sticking around
Speaker 3: on a Sunday night, Sunday the twenty third.
Speaker 2: Send me an email out tent's goingews dot com.
Speaker 3: That are you so back to the camera that I
Speaker 3: thought that I got confused with before? Now you know
Speaker 3: about the anti Semitic attacks that have been going on
Speaker 3: too long in this country, and you also know that
Speaker 3: there's not a day that goes by where there's not
Speaker 3: a big conversation about this. And there was some pretty
Speaker 3: amazing stuff that I've got to say came up in
Speaker 3: again some polling that.
Speaker 2: I'll discuss on this issue.
Speaker 4: The a Legra spender, who represents one of the areas
Speaker 4: that have been the targets of these disgraceful acts, well,
Speaker 4: she of course has been relatively low profile through all
Speaker 4: of this, but she's coming out now and she's saying
Speaker 4: that she needs to know we should be strengthening the
Speaker 4: hate speech laws to cover serious vilification. This in part,
Speaker 4: is her explaining why she thinks that hates speech laws
Speaker 4: nationwide should be tightened up.
Speaker 10: What I'm seeking to do in this legisation is to
Speaker 10: put it is to include an offense for serious vilification
Speaker 10: is part of the original drafting. It has been removed.
Speaker 10: I'm seeking to bring it back again.
Speaker 3: As for her partis into Allen in Victoria is also
Speaker 3: considering issues when it comes to hate laws. Jewish organizations
Speaker 3: have asked for those hate laws to be beefed up
Speaker 3: in New South Wales. There is also a conversation in
Speaker 3: and around all of that. In fact, the Victorian lives though,
Speaker 3: they've got a shopping list of what they'd like to
Speaker 3: tighten up when it comes to hate speech laws.
Speaker 11: Seeing flags for her muss around Victoria is not something anyone.
Speaker 11: Free speech I support is given people the opportunity to
Speaker 11: have their say where it's fair and it's not hate.
Speaker 11: But we want to make sure that if we're bringing
Speaker 11: in legislation that we're not giving those protests the right
Speaker 11: to use an exemption which will end up in court
Speaker 11: hasn't been tried as yet, and the government can't even
Speaker 11: guarantee that it won't rule out anti Semitic behavi you're
Speaker 11: seeing now.
Speaker 2: I mentioned some polling before. There was very interesting polling.
Speaker 4: That basically showed that it was the low forties of
Speaker 4: people who believe that antisemitism is a major issue in.
Speaker 2: The Australia Right now.
Speaker 4: There was something in and around again about the same
Speaker 4: number who believe that it is a significant issue. But disgracefully,
Speaker 4: there was polling that came out today that showed that
Speaker 4: in certain sections of the community they don't believe there's
Speaker 4: any problem now the idea that you wouldn't think there's
Speaker 4: any problem here when childcare centers the caravan with the explosives,
Speaker 4: let alone, how many times do you need to say
Speaker 4: see if to not conclude that there is an obvious
Speaker 4: targeted problem here.
Speaker 2: The issue that I have, though, is how we respond
Speaker 2: to these things.
Speaker 3: Now, for very obvious reasons, we need to have a
Speaker 3: society that will not cop this, that will do every
Speaker 3: and anything in its power to stamp this stuff out.
Speaker 3: But I get nervous around the hate speech stuff. Not
Speaker 3: because I want to protect those who would consider themselves
Speaker 3: in business or wanting to do said things, say it
Speaker 3: because you don't know what some of the unintended consequences are.
Speaker 3: You might think that you've set up this whole sort
Speaker 3: of legal trap for people that clearly is about people
Speaker 3: who mean you harm, and therefore those people would be
Speaker 3: treated at the most serious end of the offenses. My
Speaker 3: issue with things that are at times as vague as
Speaker 3: this is that I don't want to see a scenario
Speaker 3: when somebody is able to use these laws to punish
Speaker 3: somebody for what they perceive to be hate speech but
Speaker 3: was never intended to clearly be something that was offensive Now,
Speaker 3: if you're writing f the you meant to do it.
Speaker 3: But if you made a comment about someone because of
Speaker 3: something they did, but because of who someone is, they're
Speaker 3: able to have access to these laws to be able
Speaker 3: to go after you for what you said about their actions,
Speaker 3: and I mean non criminal actions. You might just disagree
Speaker 3: with a whole series of decisions that they've made, political
Speaker 3: or otherwise, would they be able to use this legislation.
Speaker 3: I don't know, not a lawyer, not even a Bush lawyer,
Speaker 3: but it is something that always concerns me that we're
Speaker 3: going to turn around here, because there has to remain
Speaker 3: a legal standard about not just something someone finds offensive,
Speaker 3: but there also has to be an intent for somebody
Speaker 3: to go out and offend to be hateful. Because if
Speaker 3: it is just only ever in the eye of the
Speaker 3: beholder of the person who is the victim of this
Speaker 3: or who will put themselves forward as the victim of this,
Speaker 3: then I think we're going to be in a place
Speaker 3: where most Australians wouldn't be comfortable. But it feels like
Speaker 3: there is one march and one march only that is
Speaker 3: being accepted when it comes to to this legislation. So
Speaker 3: I say travel cautiously, double check the dots and maybe
Speaker 3: even put a sunset clause in where after two years
Speaker 3: of the laws there's an opportunity to renew them or
Speaker 3: to change them. That way, if somebody has misused the laws,
Speaker 3: you have an opportunity to change it right quick break.
Speaker 2: Back with more.
Speaker 3: Nigel Farras next here on Paul Murray Life. Speaking of
Speaker 3: the floods, could this be the most Australian thing you've
Speaker 3: ever seen?
Speaker 2: And wear Australians.
Speaker 1: Just stop there?
Speaker 4: Only in townsh guys, check this out?
Speaker 1: This is that the weir?
Speaker 4: No, it's not that, the damn the you're this guy?
Speaker 10: Wow?
Speaker 3: Niger Frars joins us from London. You know when there's
Speaker 3: flooding in the UK, are they catching fish with their
Speaker 3: bare hands?
Speaker 2: Are they just going into.
Speaker 4: The rivers and grabbing the biggest one they can and
Speaker 4: throwing it over the shoulder or do we just leave
Speaker 4: that to the outer rims?
Speaker 12: Oh, I think we'll leave that to you guys. The
Speaker 12: sad thing is and I kind of used to watch
Speaker 12: rex Hunt, that great Australian fisherman, and I've got to
Speaker 12: be honest, I'm a big rex Hunt fan.
Speaker 1: You've got better fish than we've got. I'd a met that.
Speaker 3: All right, far enough, fair enough, all right, let's talk
Speaker 3: about a huge event that's coming up for Reform. You
Speaker 3: are going to hold the biggest rally in UK political history.
Speaker 3: How many people were and you expect they're going to
Speaker 3: turn up? Have they promised? Have they bought the tickets?
Speaker 3: Tell us about what you're planning.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean normally when political parties in Britain have conferences,
Speaker 12: they might get three.
Speaker 1: Thousand, they might on a very big day get four thousand,
Speaker 1: but that's about it.
Speaker 12: And we've got a very very enthusiastic new memberships.
Speaker 1: So we've booked a big venue in Birmingham.
Speaker 12: It'll be the launch of our local election campaign as
Speaker 12: the English counties go to vote on May the first,
Speaker 12: and we have mayors being contested in many parts of
Speaker 12: the country. So yeah, we're going to get five figures
Speaker 12: plus turning up and the others Labor and Conservative can't
Speaker 12: do that. There's no energy, there's no enthusiasm, and at
Speaker 12: the moment Reform is on a bit of a role.
Speaker 12: We're feeling very optimistic about things.
Speaker 3: I was talking before about a caution or maybe a
Speaker 3: problem that exists in our parliamentary systems. That means we
Speaker 3: can't have the full Trump right, We don't have the
Speaker 3: executive power, we don't have as many people that are
Speaker 3: appointed to governments. There's not entirely the alternative economy or
Speaker 3: conservative economy that exists in things like the United States.
Speaker 2: But back bye bye.
Speaker 3: But we can have leaders like yourself who have the
Speaker 3: same want to get on with it. And hasn't it
Speaker 3: been amazing the first two weeks of Trump. The first
Speaker 3: two weeks of Trump, it's a dozen things a day
Speaker 3: and it's not chaos. It's like they have done their
Speaker 3: homework in the four years that they were out and
Speaker 3: they didn't just come up with what do we want
Speaker 3: to do? But how are we going to do it?
Speaker 3: And everything from problems in the FBI to the trade
Speaker 3: scenario where basically without firing a shot, he's got ten
Speaker 3: thousand troops that Mexico is going to put on the
Speaker 3: board at the southern border, and effectiveness in the relationship
Speaker 3: with Canada. This is the future of the type of
Speaker 3: leadership that people want, which is not oh, incremental change,
Speaker 3: no no, no, no, fix it.
Speaker 12: Yeah no, I mean right across the West, what people
Speaker 12: want is real genuine radical change because the sort of
Speaker 12: global estatus quo just hasn't helped anybody. But I know
Speaker 12: you're right to put your finger on something that the
Speaker 12: American president does have executive powers and also the ability
Speaker 12: through patronage to put people into powers a position in
Speaker 12: a way that doesn't happen in Australia and doesn't happen here.
Speaker 1: But but if.
Speaker 12: You have a prime minister who is committed to a
Speaker 12: radical agenda, with a party behind them in Parliament that's
Speaker 12: in a majority and is you can still do it.
Speaker 12: I'm thinking back forty years to the early eighties. Margaret
Speaker 12: Thatcher had everybody against her, the BBC, the trade unions,
Speaker 12: you name it. Everybody was against her, the civil service.
Speaker 12: But she was able because she had a united Party
Speaker 12: behind her to put in place some radical, though painful
Speaker 12: in the short term changes. So it can be done
Speaker 12: in our countries, not as quickly as America, but we
Speaker 12: do need unity of purpose within our parties.
Speaker 3: But also fascinating to think about as well, the types
Speaker 3: of things that are being confronted here. Now you know,
Speaker 3: again a week ago, but still how important When Trump's
Speaker 3: talking about d banking, all right, and I was watching
Speaker 3: a conversation amongst a bunch of people obsessing about politics
Speaker 3: in the United States from the United States, and.
Speaker 2: They were all kind of shocked. What's he talking about?
Speaker 3: This thing that's just being pulled out out of his backside?
Speaker 2: So blind?
Speaker 3: So blind are some of the people who parade as
Speaker 3: the professionals who should know all sides to what you
Speaker 3: went through in the UK that plenty have gone through.
Speaker 1: In the US.
Speaker 12: Yeah, my D banking scandal sort of dominated the front
Speaker 12: pages for about two weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean it was as if the.
Speaker 12: Whole banking industry were trying to drive me out of
Speaker 12: the country.
Speaker 1: It was astonishing. I won in the end, and the.
Speaker 12: Chief executive of Britain's biggest bank had to resign, the
Speaker 12: chief executive subsidiary had to resign. So there were two
Speaker 12: pretty good scalps that I was pleased with. But no,
Speaker 12: this is happening, not just here, it's happening. And by
Speaker 12: the way, D banking is now in the Oxford English
Speaker 12: Dictionary thanks to me, I've changed the language.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled.
Speaker 12: So what these commentators in America are saying, oh, we've
Speaker 12: never heard of D banking, Well to tell me what
Speaker 12: it's in the OED and Trump is going to fight
Speaker 12: very hard on this one too. You see, Ultimately, the
Speaker 12: more digitized we become, you can't survive or exist without
Speaker 12: bank accounts or means of payment. If you think about it,
Speaker 12: it's the ultimate form of cancel culture. And it must
Speaker 12: be four everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in my last minute here, but well
Speaker 3: done on the pole. You're number one at twenty five,
Speaker 3: Labour twenty four, Conservatives twenty one.
Speaker 2: Then it's four ahen and nine. Mate. We begin where
Speaker 2: we end, where we begin.
Speaker 3: The joint is wrapping itself around a movement for change.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, and you know what, the consensus we've had for
Speaker 12: years doesn't work. Ordinary folk get poorer, our borders are open,
Speaker 12: excess migration changes our communities. People want strong, patriotic, real
Speaker 12: leadership that actually cares about ordinary people, not just the
Speaker 12: big corporates.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you've had to time out before.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Nigel to appreciate it. He knows
Speaker 4: what it's like when the clock and they're deafening in
Speaker 4: the ear that it's time to go.
Speaker 3: We'll talk again next week, Thank you mate. Well see
Speaker 3: you again tomorrow night, where our special guest is the
Speaker 3: Wonderful Megan Killy Late debate next on Sky News