1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: They just gone ten degrees in Adelaide. I reckon it'll 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: be a tad caller. Up in the Northern Flinders where 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: I spent the weekend with Operation Flinders, there's great charity 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: that does a lot of work with young people, teenage 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: boys and girls who are nominated by their schools primarily 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: to go up to the Northern Flinders to yankin in 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: a station take part in the excellent program they run 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: up there, teaching resilience and a program that helps them 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: push the boundaries in their own comfort zone to go 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: beyond that and realize that life potentially could be better 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: than how they've known it and they need to push 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: themselves to get the most out of life. It's an 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: excellent thing. And one of the people up there, doctor 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: Lauren Butler, one of those heavily involved with Operation Flinders. 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: She develops the Next Step program and I talked to 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: her about that program for Operation Flinders. Tell me a 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: little bit about that. What's that involved? What is Step Out? 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: Step Out is a program that Operation Blenders has created 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: for young people to access our core program who aren't 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: able to access it through their school or through their 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: community group. Okay, so we have teams of young people 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: come together. We run a few sessions with them before 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: they head up here so they can get to know 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: each other and get to know the adults who will 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: be supporting them throughout the program. Then we bring them 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: up here to do the eight day experience. 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: And similar sort of ages fourteen to eighteen essentially. 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes we have thirteen year olds as well. Yeah, 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: thirteen to eighteen do's age. 30 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: So the groups that are here this weekend are all 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: from the same school, Whether they know each other from 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: the school or not, at least they've got that as 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: a sort of initial bonding experience before the program begins 34 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: once they get here. How do young people get involved 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: in Stepout? Is it the parents suggesting them? Is it 36 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: still schools putting them forward? 37 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: How do they get nominated to come? 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: A few different avenues. We've even had some young people 39 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: nominate themselves or say to an adult, I'm interested in 40 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 2: doing Operation Plenders. How can I get involved? I think 41 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: mostly we get referrals from parents or caregivers, but we 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: do have other organizations, whether it's a social worker or 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 2: somebody who works in a care team for a young 44 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: person nominating them to be a part of it. Once 45 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: they've been nominated, then we'll talk to the cares or 46 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: their people about how the program runs and try and 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: find an appropriate team for them, which sometimes can be 48 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: very quick and sometimes it can. 49 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: Take a while so they get the same value out 50 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: of it. I don't know if you've done comparisons between 51 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: the groups that are here from schools or your Step 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: Out program, whether they appreciate it more seeing they want 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: to come on it because some of the kids coming 54 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: from school initially are reluctant, some of them to do this. 55 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is still true of step Out. I 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: think every time we've had really good outcomes individually, the 57 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: team dynamic, I think is a little bit different, just 58 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: because when they go home, they're not they're not together 59 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: as a group anymore. And one of our major focuses 60 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: is actually getting our Step Out participants into next steps 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: so that they can continue their engagement with the organization 62 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: and this community and with each other on a long 63 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: term basis. 64 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: It's been running four years now, step Out, So do 65 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: you do you find that people come back as peer 66 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: group leaders or assistant team leaders? Are people interested in 67 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: doing that over that period? 68 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: The program hasn't been running long enough yet for our 69 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: participants to come in back as atls as assistant team leaders, 70 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: but we have seen quite a few now come through 71 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: Next Step and even take that next step in Next 72 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: Step to become a peer group mentor, which is really cool. 73 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: Even on our first walk this year with the Stepout team, 74 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: we actually had a peer group mentor with us who 75 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: did step Out last year. So for us running the program, 76 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: that was really really lovely to see and to see 77 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 2: her journey kind of do that full circle was really cool. 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: Well, that's brilliant. 79 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Just meeting all the people here today, the kids out 80 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: in the camp situations, the people behind the scenes running everything. 81 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much what's the word, is it? 82 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: Love? 83 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: For what happens here? It's just beautiful. 84 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, there's a magic up here and a lot 85 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: If you talk to any of the adults, I think 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: they feel it. And it's really when the young people 87 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: come and they sort of the start is quite it's challenging, 88 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: it's really hard what they're doing, and it's hard to 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: get yourself into the mood to actually do it. They 90 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: come through and by the end of the week they're 91 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: sort of thinking, oh, it's coming to an end. And 92 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: what's next. And I think they take a piece of 93 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: that magic with them. And honestly, when you're hanging around 94 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: base camp talking to the adults here, everybody just has 95 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: this passion, really strong passion driving them and we just 96 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: talk about it constantly about how there's hundreds of people 97 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 2: behind the scenes doing lots of little things throughout the 98 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: whole year to make this happen for the young people 99 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: and to be a part of this community is very special. Yeah, 100 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: it's a huge privilege. 101 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: Lauren, Good on you for doing what you're doing and 102 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: obviously you're changing people's lives. 103 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. 104 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: I love it, Doctor Lauren Butler, who has developed the 105 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: Step Out program as part of Operation Flinders. For As 106 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: I said, there's ten different groups out there from ten 107 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: different schools and they're all within their school group as 108 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: they are taken through an eight day program and for 109 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: some it has ended this morning or even yesterday morning. 110 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: I think the first group. 111 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: There is still a few out there that started a 112 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: few days after and they sort of staggered through, but 113 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: they are going through. And one of the things they 114 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: do out there is meet up overnight with some of 115 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: the indigenous people of the area and I caught up 116 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: with a couple of them, Cheryl and Judy, and they 117 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: told me about what they tell the kids on Operation 118 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Flinders camps at Yankin in the station Artie Cheryl Arty, Judy. 119 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: Tell me firstly your local people. Obviously, what's the We. 120 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 4: Are Agna Muttner's Yeah, and we're Argue. Muttner's sisters were 121 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 4: south Wind. We're Matheries and Judy is my yacker man 122 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: in big sister. 123 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: Okay, what's your role out here? I know there's a 124 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: cultural opportunity for the kids out in the camps. 125 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: What do they learn? What do you teach them? 126 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 4: Well, we just go and tell them and dreamtime stories 127 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 4: and Cheryl will tell them a bit more. 128 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 5: And we just cooked damper and kangaroos. 129 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: Tell Steer they were looking forward to that last night. 130 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: I think they were looking forward to some real food. 131 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 5: They said, yeah, they were. 132 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 4: And tell them stories like I tell a story and 133 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: it's in Agna Mutner. But then I did a translation 134 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 4: as well, so they will understand. And we welcome them 135 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: to country. And one of the special things is, yeah, 136 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 4: you care for the country, you respect the country, the 137 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: country will respect you. 138 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 5: To the land will respect you. And so will our spirits. 139 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: One of them told me that yesterday that's what they learned, 140 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: that that's what you told them, and they've really taken 141 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: that to heart. 142 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: So you must be hearten yourself to hear that. 143 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm proud of that, because every group I tell 144 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: them we are proud of them for what they are doing. 145 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: I'm magna matna. I wouldn't be able to walk the 146 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 4: distance that they are doing. And so yeah, I'm proud, 147 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: and I hope they keep their heads up eye when 148 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: they go home, because to Jesus, are tracking here. Their friends, 149 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: their families don't know what they have gone through, the 150 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: hard jacker of walking and the camping out and with 151 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 4: frost like we had this morning. Yeah that was cold. 152 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 153 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: And you're camping out there too, aren't you. Yeah yeah, 154 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: meeting them the way. 155 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's lovely being out there out in bush, 156 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: you know. Just but we've got the tent, we got 157 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 4: the Hilton. Yeah, we've got everything there. Yeah, we've got 158 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 4: our Hilton too. 159 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 160 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: Can you share one of the stories that you tell them, 161 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: one of the dream time stories. 162 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 4: We talk about the O, which is the Robin red breast, 163 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: you know, in we tell them how their family was 164 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 4: coming for a big ceremony and there was a big 165 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 4: storm coming. They make plans to stay the night so 166 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 4: they can feed the children and make shelter. But the 167 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: husband says he's hungry, so he wants to have actually 168 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: missileto He goes off to do that, and the wife 169 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: she's there trying to make shelter and the storm is 170 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: getting closer and closer, and she's calling out to her husband, 171 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 4: but the husband is saying to her, no, one's not 172 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 4: fool yet. Still I'm still eating. So what she does 173 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 4: she picks up a waddy and she cracks him over 174 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 4: the head. He starts bleeding. So the Robin Redbreast today 175 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 4: is that's him. The moral of that story is to 176 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 4: listen to you because you've got to help her with 177 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 4: her with their children. And you know, we do see 178 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 4: Robin Redbreast out there, and a lot of our stories 179 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 4: they are not dream times. 180 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: We've got morals to driving around here, and I've covered 181 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: we worked out about one hundred and fifty two hundred 182 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: k's around the station over the twenty four hours that 183 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: I've been here. You get the sense such ancient land, 184 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: really old, and why. 185 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: Is it so special? To your people. 186 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 4: Well it's it's all rocky. But why it's so significant 187 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: to me is my dad was born not the first creek, 188 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 4: but the other little creek over and my Mooly and Agane, 189 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: my grandparents stay lived over in the black Aches. So 190 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 4: that's why this auiyana has got a lot of significance 191 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 4: to me. And aiyana means oi yananda, that's that big 192 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: storm that the why was trying to tell the husband 193 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 4: to get about your stomach, come and help you with't shelter. 194 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 5: For our kids. 195 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: You must love the opportunity to tell this to the kids. 196 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it. 197 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 4: Yes, And even though you know, like I explained to them, 198 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 4: Judy and I we are sisters. But my old grandfather, 199 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: old Mooley, he didn't have an English name, but it 200 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 4: was Judy's great grandfather who gave my grandfather and the 201 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: other old chaply Ted their English name so they could 202 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: get Russian. Say, Judy, I have to give you a 203 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 4: good pat on the back. 204 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 5: We were about to go out and yeah, kangaroo Dale, excellent, 205 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 5: lovely meeting you. 206 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: Mat So the kid's got an education in that. And 207 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: I caught up with Derek, who's been a long time 208 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: volunteer up at Operation Flinders. So Derek, you're here volunteering 209 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: at Operation Flinders. You're doing the exciting stuff, the high 210 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: ropes where the kids are good. What ten fifteen meters 211 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: up in the air here at the rock face the 212 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: ad sailing, which I've just done, by the way, a 213 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: fantastic experience. 214 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 6: Yeah you did great there, Matt, who showed no fear 215 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 6: as you came down there. 216 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: What brings you here? What has got you here? And 217 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: I know there's a background at Port Adelaide. 218 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 5: Well that's that's the beginning was. 219 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 6: I went on board the One and All back in 220 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 6: nineteen ninety seven as cook. I didn't expect much. In fact, 221 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 6: it's been a big challenge for me. I was fifty 222 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 6: at the time, and I kept seeing these young people 223 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 6: come on board. 224 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 5: And then on day. 225 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 6: Three there'd be this miserable negative bunch in the morning, 226 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 6: and in the evening there were all these happy, bright individuals. 227 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 6: It just blew me away. What's going on? What's happening 228 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 6: out there? I mean I knew nothing about sale training, 229 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 6: but that kept repeating itself with each trip that came through. 230 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 6: And then a bunch of PGMs from what Flinders came on. 231 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: Board peer group mentors. 232 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 5: Peer group mentors. 233 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, and the difference between those participants and the private 234 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 6: school participants who had been coming on before was just 235 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 6: chalk and cheese. There's still that same turnaround, but just 236 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 6: the they've seemed more interesting, you know, they're just more 237 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 6: interesting to work with. 238 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: You get that turnaround here as well with kids who 239 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: were a bit reluctant at the beginning, and then as 240 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: the days go by, the right into it mostly and 241 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: most of them. 242 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: So what do you put that down to? What happens? 243 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 5: Fear is overcome. 244 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 6: They start to change from I can't do it to 245 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 6: I can do it. They start to change from I 246 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 6: don't want to be here too, Oh, perhaps it's quite 247 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 6: nice out here, and that because it's all in the 248 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 6: head and that mental attitude change. They've been working with 249 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 6: people that they didn't trust to start with. 250 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 5: There's just so many things going on, and it's this. 251 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 6: Sort of little social microcosm where they can do all 252 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 6: sorts of stuff and test themselves out. Nobody's going to 253 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 6: give them a hard time, test themselves at their own rate, 254 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 6: and then they can come out the other side and 255 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 6: start going mm hmm. 256 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can do this. 257 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: How did you get involved here? From one and all? 258 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 6: Well, that's a bunch of PGMs that came on board. 259 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 6: It's a lady called Verlaine Bell who was a copper 260 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 6: down at Victor Harbor. 261 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 5: Who was leading them. 262 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 6: And I spoke to her and said, any jobs has cooked, 263 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 6: basically camp up there, and she said, well, the operations 264 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 6: managers come going to come and meet us, Come and 265 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 6: have a chat. So I had a chat with him 266 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 6: and he said, yes, come and join us, Come and 267 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 6: join us. 268 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: So here you are. That's fantastic. 269 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: And okay, it's a bit different sailing the ocean or 270 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: the golf, at least to the Flinders. 271 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 6: Yep, yep, it's the same and different. So both work 272 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 6: with kids. In the wilderness. On the ship, they've got 273 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 6: sea sickness, they've got tiredness, they've got getting up in 274 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 6: the middle of the night, they've got all those things 275 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 6: to deal with. Here they've got blisters, packs on their backs. 276 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 6: So there's these hard things to overcome. But in both 277 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 6: wilderness cases, they can't. 278 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 5: Get out of it. 279 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 6: It's no saying i'll do this anymore. Let me out, 280 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 6: let me out. So yeah, I mean I went out 281 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 6: on board on the on the one and all and 282 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 6: the same here. When I had to look around after 283 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 6: a few times up here, I thought it looks more 284 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 6: fun out there. 285 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,359 Speaker 5: I went out with the team staff. 286 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: And no regrets. So I take it you're still here. 287 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 5: It's actually been in my life. 288 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 6: I've done all sorts of things, but nothing's kept me 289 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 6: interested for more than seven years. 290 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 5: This kept me interested for twenty five years. 291 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: Now you're on almost four times, so that's good. What's 292 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: the biggest thing you get out of it? Is it 293 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: the kids? Like seeing them change over the period. 294 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 6: Both Really, it's the changes in the kids and seeing 295 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 6: them make that switch in there. There's a negative switch 296 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 6: and positive switch in the head you're pointing to you, Yeah, 297 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 6: And it's so easy to switch that switch if you 298 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 6: can find it, and if you're determined to actually look 299 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 6: for him. 300 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 5: Here you get that chance to have that determination. 301 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 6: So it's not just the kids, and I think I 302 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 6: can possibly speak for everybody here. We all say we're 303 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 6: here for the kids, but we're also here for ourselves 304 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 6: because we get the same sort of stuff out of 305 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 6: it as the kids too. 306 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 5: We go back renewed, refreshed and ready to take on 307 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 5: the next. They're always session of our lives. 308 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 3: They're always looking for volunteers. That sounds like a call 309 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: to action, but you. 310 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 5: Come and enjoyed us. Said, yeah, you wouldn't regret it. 311 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 5: You wouldn't regret it in any way whatsoever. 312 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 6: And if you want a life changing experience, come out 313 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 6: here and do it. 314 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 3: Good luck you, Derek, thank you, my pleasure.