WEBVTT - #2133 Will AI Replace Your Brain? - Patrick Bonello 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.600 Oh, get a team. It's bloody project. That's you, of 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:05.040 course it is. It's Patrick, it's Tiffany, it's me, it's 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:09.480 Jumbo in the studio. It's minus fifteen degrees in Hampton. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.920 I was rugged up like a bloody I was going 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.520 to say an Eskimo. You're not allowed to say that. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.960 A what do we say? Patrick? Is it Inuit person 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:20.119 in it? 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.480 I guess it depends on where you come from. If 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.640 it's North America or Canada. I think it's inwit. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.560 Yeah, okay, And Tiffany and Cook who when she lasts, 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.320 which she will in this episode, everyone you'll hear sound 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.599 like a familiar cartoon character. Aka, there she is, There, 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.199 she is, there, she is. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:39.240 It's Muttley. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:40.519 Muttley. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.600 Yeah, Ucky races. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.120 There she is. Even Patrick can tell without being told, 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:53.920 or like, listen to you. Oh gosh, I don't know 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.080 what makes that resonance in your throat. I'm guessing it's 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:03.960 phlem Ei no, no, Well, I wonder how many days 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.160 of podcasts are going to be infiltrated by the bloody 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:12.880 Martley factor. Anyway, we had yesterday, We've got today. Patrick, 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:13.640 how are you? 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:14.440 I'm good? 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.480 By coincidence with the Wacky Races. My only nickname at 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.119 school was Professor Pat Pending. 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.440 That everybody as in Patent Pending. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.120 Yeah, because Pat Pending was one of the characters in 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.200 the Wacky Races. He was the Wacky Professor, and because 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.720 in the Gadget's even as a kid, someone decided that 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.600 Pat Pending would be a good nickname for me. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.720 Well, we might start calling you Pat from now on, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.520 although you are Pat, so maybe we'll just call you 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.319 pp Pat Pending. How have you been it's been a 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.680 couple of weeks. Well, other than bullying Craig Harper savagely 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:54.600 before the recording started, both of you, honestly, yes, now 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.640 you're lying. Paka, can I say everyone? It was about 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.080 three minutes of just let's attack Harps and laugh at 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.200 our own bullying by these two poor little defenseless Harps 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.680 metaphorically in the corner, cowering, and these two standing over him, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:14.120 pointing their fat, little fucking fingers at me and laughing 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.600 at each other with the barbs that they were each throwing. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.960 We were laughing with each other at you, not laughing 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:21.560 at each other. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.639 We would never laugh at each other. Tif is so 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.240 nice to me. She would never laugh at me. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:32.000 Great, all right, I'm bringing hr which is me straight 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:32.480 after this. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.720 I think you'll find it's people in culture, Greig, people 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.520 not here, Patrick, fuck people in culture. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.920 The only culture we have, your freaks. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:51.440 All we have is people. There's no culture. Now. Tips 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.919 turned and might look at her. She's fucking just Oh 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.679 she's thrown her spleen out onto the depths. She's put 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:01.640 her bloody mute on him. Why did you put your 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.880 mic on you? Did you nearly dislocate one of your kidneys? Again? 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.320 I have to put that back in with a spatula? Fuck? 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:09.359 What's going on with you? 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.400 What did it say about my life? You asked me earlier? 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.960 How how I've been? What does it say about my 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:18.960 life that one of the most exciting things that happened 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.480 in the last fortnight was Fritz and I walking along 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.840 a new footpath that was made in our town. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.320 Wow, it's bland. I'd say that probably made the front 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.000 page of the Balan Gallette. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.360 It was pretty pretty exciting. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.680 Is that was that? I mean, all honesty, What does 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.600 that say about me? That I was excited to walk 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.520 on a new footpath? Mind you, I've been here for 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.480 eighteen years and we haven't had any footpaths in the time. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.360 Like you know, most streets don't have footpaths. My street 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.000 where I live doesn't have a footpath, so having a 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.920 new footpath going was quite big for an entire block 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:50.440 as well. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.520 Well, it's good that you're telling everyone in Australia. It's 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.240 because fuck, we're on the edge of our seats. But no, 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.040 I think it's good. You know why I think it's 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.360 good means it doesn't take much to make you happy. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.160 And that's a nice thing. Yeah, yeah, because a lot 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.840 of people it takes a lot. Even when their life's great, 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.120 they're still bitching about shit. Let me find let me 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.440 look past all the good stuff to find something to 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.720 bitch about. You know, Tip's dying over there of fucking 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.000 some lung disease. But she's still smiling. She's still she's 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.960 still showing up Mutley, she's still muttling. Speaking of Mutley, 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.320 there's another dog on the other side. Fritz's Fritz the wunderdog, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.400 who hasn't spoken a word, but somehow as a co 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:37.040 host if other than dying from the black plague. How 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:37.320 are you? 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:39.599 I'm feeling good. I'm good. Thank you? 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.479 M are you better? Than yesterday. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.120 Yes, yeah, I am actually and the. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.280 Day before Patrick or sorry, day before Patrick, we did 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:53.400 a podcast and about halfway through the podcast, Tiff hit 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.680 the wall and you could just see the deterioration. And 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.760 every time I offer to bring her into the chat, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.080 he's like, nah, oh good. And then we had another 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.719 podcast recording straight after that one. She's like, I can't 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.440 do it. I'm like, okay, you go and lie down. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.200 So it's been an interesting medical kind of time over here. 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:22.720 Let's talk about tech and such interesting things. Patrick. I 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:27.080 actually spoke with it this one yesterday, but we'll cover 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.880 it again quickly with David Gillespie about the lady who 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.040 sued Meta and YouTube ended up getting a payout of 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.640 six million. I thought it was three, but apparently it. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.960 Was six three years three US conversion you no, No, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:42.599 it wasn't. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.120 I said that same thing and he corrected me because 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.039 it was three and three for something else. Apparently. Anyway, 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.880 it was millions of dollars. The matter, the money doesn't matter, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.080 but yeah, walk us through this. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:54.280 Well. 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.600 The thing is this has been in the courts and 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.680 it's and it's pretty landmark because whence she have a 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.120 test case in the US courts and something's been proven. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.680 In this particular case, this is a woman who's twenty 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.960 years old. She had been on social media since she 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.600 was a young child, so first it was YouTube and 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.200 then she went over to the meta stuff, so Instagram. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.120 But she was claiming, and the jury have come out 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:24.279 and said, well, yes, she's correct that she became addicted 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.680 to social media and it impacted on her mental state, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:32.640 her sense of self that and it was the algorithms 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:37.320 and the mechanisms behind it that are inherently addictive. 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:38.960 So it was just that. 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.600 And I know you have very strong opinions about this 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.800 to Crago, and at the end of the day, we 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.920 all make those decisions ourselves whether to flick or turn 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:48.200 the phone off and put it away. 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.520 Ultimately, in this particular instance. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.520 It may be a watershed case because it means that 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.120 it's now open the way for potentially hundreds and hundreds, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:02.040 even thousands. Some of it may very well be legitimate. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.720 You know, people who are susceptible to things like addictions. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.560 Electronic addictions are definitely a thing, So you can see 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.440 where there would be a whole lot of people, but 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.080 we're talking that you know, there are potentially sixteen hundred 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.760 plaintifs in additional cases, three hundred and fifty families, two 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.400 hundred and fifty school districts. They're all watching what's happening 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.760 here and potentially lots more. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.080 Cases of its sort. But I mean this is a 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:28.240 drop on the ocean. Mind. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.760 You know, whether it's six million dollars US, that's not 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:32.960 a lot of money to a big. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:33.640 Company like Meta. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.760 But what it may mean is they may have to 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.520 change the way that they use their algorithms, they may 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.320 have to change the mechanisms. So they're still defending themselves saying, well, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:45.480 we didn't do anything wrong. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.880 It's not our platform. And the same with Google and YouTube. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.640 So it could mean a lot of different things in 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:55.080 terms of a more legal cases and b whether it 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.200 could force these big tech companies to change the way 0:07:58.400 --> 0:07:59.000 they try to. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:03.160 People in Yeah, yeah, no, it is fascinating and there's 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:07.680 a kind of an intersection of legal stuff and psychological 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:12.600 stuff and neuroscience stuff, and yeah, what was interesting chatting 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:17.240 with Gillespie because he's a lawyer, right, so he was 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:22.640 with like the challenges to prove causation not just correlation, 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.760 and then you go, well, if if all of these 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.040 millions of people are using what she's using, but they 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.280 don't have what she has. It's very hard to go 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.480 this caused it when there are so many other variables. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.880 But apparently they figured out a way that I think 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.840 the only I think it was the only kind of 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:47.559 social media stuff she used, was that anyway, they found 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:53.280 a way. The they found out a way to allegedly 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.640 prove or to prove. So the judge ruled obviously in 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:01.160 favor of the plaintiff, and now Meta has appealed it. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.600 So yeah, like you said, if that goes down and 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.960 it sticks, David reckons, it could take five years in 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.760 and out of court. So that's what they wanted to do. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.440 They want to they want to manipulate the system so 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.800 they're not guilty just yet, or they don't have to 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:19.960 pay out or And also, like you said, it's not 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.240 about the dough because whatever it is, three or six million, 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.920 they don't that's four minutes of work for them. But 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:32.480 it's the consequences of if this sticks, then that's a 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.720 nightmare for them moving forward. But staying in the legal 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.840 space man court using. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.240 Sorry, can I just before you go on this one 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.320 other little point that you may not have talked about 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.080 and I guess got I mean, obviously the legal ramifications, 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.720 but what I wanted to point out in this particular 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.040 case is this was a young child, so that when 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.520 she started using social media, and it kind of vindicates 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.440 the fact that we've got a now a ban in 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.360 Australia for under sixteen's. UK is now looking at taking 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.400 this on board because we know that the teenage brain 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.160 can be more susceptible. There's a higher level of plasticity, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.319 So if you are manipulating the teenage brain or a 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.280 children a child's brain at a really early age, that's 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.480 another factor that came out in this case. I think 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.440 that's really important to understand that these are young people 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.280 who don't have the ability to make those conscious decisions 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.240 that we do as adults, because we've got our formative brains, 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:29.960 you know, we can look at right and wrong, we 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.679 can make decisions, but young people have a different sort 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.440 of way of thinking. And I think that's the other 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.679 thing that I don't know how much it's been discussed, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.360 but I think it's a very interesting way to look 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.120 at the band that we've got in Australia and how 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.760 other countries are now doing the same thing that we've done, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.360 and taking social media away from children under the age 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:48.920 of sixteen. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.360 Yeah, two things. One I agree with the taking it 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.720 away from them, so I'm not anti this. I agreed 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.679 with you. But to manipulate the teenage brain or the 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.000 child our brain happens constantly in life, with parents, with school, 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.800 with peers, with television, with music, with influences with I mean, 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.320 so to go to manipulate the brain. Yeah, but it's 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.719 always been manipulated. It's always being affected or impacted. But yeah, 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.560 I agree with you, and I don't know. I don't 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.200 know what the answer is, but we'll see. All right, now, 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.960 tell us about the bloke who got caught using smart 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:29.440 glasses to get advice. This is so clever. So he's 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.920 gone to court. He's wearing smart glasses and he's getting 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.520 advice while he's being cross examined by the I guess 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.280 prosecutors what it it's so smart? 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:40.480 Look at easy? 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.720 It isn't because he got caught. So it's an interesting case. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.880 This was in January and it was in the UK 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.760 High Court and it was a Lithuanian guy who's a 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.160 CEO of a company that was trying to battle insolvencies, 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:56.280 so he was fighting against their insolvency ruling. But what 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.400 the judge noticed that during questioning the guy would has 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.480 for a few seconds and then start to answer and 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.839 during cross examination, and so he was being prompted by 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.160 smart glasses. And then of course once the judge realized 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.680 and told him to take off the glasses, he became 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.640 pretty obvious he was just being cheating because he went, 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.680 I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. So 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.400 that was kind of interesting, you know. So it's funny 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:25.920 because it is, and. 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:28.199 I think that. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.319 But the interesting thing is now it's going to get 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.280 more subtle because I saw an article recently. We can 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.480 now get contact lenses are coming out that are smart 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.480 contacts that can actually have. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.800 A little screen built into them. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.240 So it's going to get harder to work out whether 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.760 or not someone's being prompted in a. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.800 Case like this. So that isn't it funny? 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.320 I thought, So whether prompt's visual or auditory. 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.880 On a screen. Now they were on a screen. He's 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:55.959 got his smart glasses. It was projecting on the screen 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:56.920 of the smart glasses. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.720 So was it generating like a script or something? No? 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.040 I think no, actually no, in this particular case, it 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.840 was through his ear It was the little speakers inside 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.040 the smart glasses. So I think there may have been 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.240 a second person listening and then prompting him, and he 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.760 was hearing it, so he was sitting back and listening 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:14.840 and then replying. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.120 In this petition, She's. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:23.120 Just worn an earpiece, way easier. Yeah, this is interesting. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.920 Victorian business is fine for telling influencers to lie about 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.840 paid Instagram posts in first of it's kind penalty, and 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.160 I think, well, to me, what that's I mean, every 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.480 influencer that's selling this or that protein powder or that 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.800 range of vite, you know, and they're like, well this 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.440 is this is how I look like this. No, that's 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.960 just not true. But it's almost like we know that. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.240 Yeah, you're right normally in those cases. But in this instance, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.120 what they did was they told the influences not to 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.840 say that they received something in turn for the review. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:02.320 That's where there's that's all right, Yeah, so you're quite right. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.760 That's what influencers do. They promote a product, and it's 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.120 pretty obvious that they got this. You know, we were 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.520 sent this Tesla and now we're saying it's a great car. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.760 But in this instance, that's not what happens. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:17.520 So the company was fined thirty nine thousand, six hundred dollars. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.360 A company called Thomson consolidated and they have an online 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:26.960 service called Photo book Shop, and so thirty six thirty 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.160 nine thousand dollars for a smaller business is quite a 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.000 significant amount. But it also, you know, puts the message 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.120 out there about the way that you use influencers, in 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.920 the way that products are disclosed, and whether or not 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.280 the disclosed. They also changed someone's review as well. They 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:42.640 were called out changing. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.560 A review that was a little bit critical. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.840 I think the review said something along the lines of 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.840 the product was a bit clunky to use, and they 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:51.080 edited that bit out. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.640 Wow, well you won't like the next one you or tip. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.920 Android brands face a rough twenty twenty six with more 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.400 iPhone switched. In other words, people going to iPhone. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:03.400 Yeah that was. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.280 Distressing for you, you bloody Android groupie. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.960 Well not really because I've got a Pixel phone, and 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.680 Pixel was the least problematic of the Android ecosystem, so 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.000 Pixel didn't do too bad. They're looking like they're still tracking. Okay, 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.720 it's the Samsung's huaweies and all the other phones on 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.880 the market show me that sort of thing. But it 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.960 is interesting that there has been a shift. Australia has 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.200 a very big uptake of Apple products. I've got to 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.920 say now the iPhone is very prolific in Australia. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:31.360 I don't know. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.040 I think it might be one in two, or it 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.800 might even be more. I can't remember what the stats were. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.600 I haven't looked at them for a few years, but 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.440 certainly Australia is a great adopter of Apple iPhones. People 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.680 love iPhones in Australia. That said, that's how it's tracking. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:46.120 At the moment. 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.160 There are concerns because of what's going on in the 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:52.320 Middle East and access to chips, the chips that are 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.320 used in phones, and it looks like that the production 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.160 of Android devices and Snapdragon, the different chips in those, 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.400 and there the tensor trips, the chips that they're being 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.120 used by androids. Where Apple has its own little ecosystem, 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.680 they have a different production line, and so it seems. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.480 Like there's more confidence in the Apple products. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.080 I thought you, how's yours gone, Tiff is in your 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.400 phone being a bit problematic at the moment. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.800 Yes, I write today I would jump ship to an iPhone. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.800 My phone keeps dropping out in phone calls all the time. 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:26.640 I don't know if it's a phone issue or a 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:27.880 network issue or what. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:29.480 Maybe Patrick could help you. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.520 What is it? What sort of phone is it? 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:33.320 So? 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:35.480 Do you restart the phone regularly? 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.280 Yeah? And I believe it started after I did an update. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.920 Yeah. That that can actually be really problematic. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.000 Sometimes when an update comes through, you can roll back updates. 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.200 There's a way to do it. You'd need to google it. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.160 But one of the things that you can solve a 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.760 lot of those problems is to go into aeroplane mode 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.640 for a few minutes and that or a few seconds 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.800 and then switch airplane mode off, and that basically reinitiates 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.200 the connection to the network. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.119 That may help as well, if that's going to be 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.080 ongoing problem. That Yeah is good, didn't she Craigo? 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.880 Oh yeah, she's better than me and potentially better than you. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.160 I'm interested in this because my dad has sleep apna, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.200 and as do a bunch of people. Of course, the 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:25.280 one hundred and ninety nine dollars Vita ring sounds almost 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.920 like a drink. A Vita ring wakes you up mid 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.919 apna before you ever know it. Happened, So what is 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.800 that just vibrated on your finger or something does? 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.360 Yeah, the thing that bear in mind is that one 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.800 hundred and ninety nine is a special on Kickstarter in 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.000 US dollars, so it's got just about maybe two hundred 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.359 and sixty two hundred and seventy dollars. This is one 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.320 of the first smart rings that I've considered getting for myself. 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:52.040 I live by myself and Fritz never complains. Of course, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.040 then go around the other side, but no, he doesn't 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.200 normally explain about me, you know, snoring or making any 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:57.960 noises at night. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:17:58.680 That's it. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.720 This is an interesting one because for people who do 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.600 you smart tech to monitor their sleep, say it's an 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.520 Apple watch or whatever device or a Samsung, the problem 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.520 is that generally you've got to charge them up every 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.439 two or three days, whereas a smart ring like this 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.000 has a lot longer in terms of its ability to track. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.600 But it's also less cumbersome. It looks nice or it's 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:25.560 very solid. Like looking at this particular one, it's it 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:30.359 looks pretty substantive, you know, it's really it's scratch proof, 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:31.359 all that sort of stuff. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:32.840 And they have this system. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.920 So Vedas come up with this idea of alert, advice 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.880 and act. So some of these health metrics that you 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.240 look at are just monitoring and they don't actively do anything. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.399 So you wake up in the morning, you look at 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.399 your smart watch statistics and it says, right, you had 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.639 six and a half hours of really good sleep, but 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.000 you tossed and turned for two hours or something. You know, 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.560 I'm not eveentirely sure what the algorithm says, but in 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.680 this instance, it monitors in real time and it looks 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.320 like yours s patterns are and when it notices you 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.840 potentially going into an appnear mode, that's when the vibration 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.880 starts enough for you to be jolted to the point 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.040 where you may roll over in bed or do something 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.720 different just because of the movement. So it may not 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.199 even wake you up, but it will cause you to 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.159 alter your sleep pattern or your movement in bed. And 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.000 this sounds really interesting. It's got a whole lot of 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:25.639 different met health metrics, so seventeen different health metrics are 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:26.760 being monitored. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:27.040 By the ring. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.159 But I can also see this would be great for 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.160 older people potentially because they're probably more used to wearing 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.160 a ring than a like a smart watch can becomesome 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.480 for them and too technical, whereas this is a lot 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.760 more subtle. And that's what I like about the idea 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:43.680 of wearing something like this. I tried wearing my watch 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.000 to bed a few times. I struggle wearing a watch 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.000 to bed. What about you, guys? Do you do to 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:48.840 health track it all? 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.120 Tiff bed. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.960 I can't wear watches, old fashioned watches because they start, 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.440 you know, the chronograph watches. If I wear a watch, 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.880 the watch like within about an hour. 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:07.000 What yep, yeah, litrically charged. What the hell? 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:11.040 Yeah, I've had it fifty times. I get a watch 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.800 and put it on and the watch stops. Yeah. I 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.159 know that's weird and that you might not believe me. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.440 Like digital watch is fine, but like old school watches, yeah, 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.720 I can't work. That's why you've never seen like neither 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.119