Speaker 1: Oh, get a team. It's bloody project. That's you, of
Speaker 1: course it is. It's Patrick, it's Tiffany, it's me, it's
Speaker 1: Jumbo in the studio. It's minus fifteen degrees in Hampton.
Speaker 1: I was rugged up like a bloody I was going
Speaker 1: to say an Eskimo. You're not allowed to say that.
Speaker 1: A what do we say? Patrick? Is it Inuit person
Speaker 1: in it?
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on where you come from. If
Speaker 2: it's North America or Canada. I think it's inwit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And Tiffany and Cook who when she lasts,
Speaker 1: which she will in this episode, everyone you'll hear sound
Speaker 1: like a familiar cartoon character. Aka, there she is, There,
Speaker 1: she is, there, she is.
Speaker 3: It's Muttley.
Speaker 1: Muttley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ucky races.
Speaker 1: There she is. Even Patrick can tell without being told,
Speaker 1: or like, listen to you. Oh gosh, I don't know
Speaker 1: what makes that resonance in your throat. I'm guessing it's
Speaker 1: phlem Ei no, no, Well, I wonder how many days
Speaker 1: of podcasts are going to be infiltrated by the bloody
Speaker 1: Martley factor. Anyway, we had yesterday, We've got today. Patrick,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good?
Speaker 2: By coincidence with the Wacky Races. My only nickname at
Speaker 2: school was Professor Pat Pending.
Speaker 1: That everybody as in Patent Pending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Pat Pending was one of the characters in
Speaker 2: the Wacky Races. He was the Wacky Professor, and because
Speaker 2: in the Gadget's even as a kid, someone decided that
Speaker 2: Pat Pending would be a good nickname for me.
Speaker 1: Well, we might start calling you Pat from now on,
Speaker 1: although you are Pat, so maybe we'll just call you
Speaker 1: pp Pat Pending. How have you been it's been a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Well, other than bullying Craig Harper savagely
Speaker 1: before the recording started, both of you, honestly, yes, now
Speaker 1: you're lying. Paka, can I say everyone? It was about
Speaker 1: three minutes of just let's attack Harps and laugh at
Speaker 1: our own bullying by these two poor little defenseless Harps
Speaker 1: metaphorically in the corner, cowering, and these two standing over him,
Speaker 1: pointing their fat, little fucking fingers at me and laughing
Speaker 1: at each other with the barbs that they were each throwing.
Speaker 2: We were laughing with each other at you, not laughing
Speaker 2: at each other.
Speaker 3: We would never laugh at each other. Tif is so
Speaker 3: nice to me. She would never laugh at me.
Speaker 1: Great, all right, I'm bringing hr which is me straight
Speaker 1: after this.
Speaker 2: I think you'll find it's people in culture, Greig, people
Speaker 2: not here, Patrick, fuck people in culture.
Speaker 3: The only culture we have, your freaks.
Speaker 1: All we have is people. There's no culture. Now. Tips
Speaker 1: turned and might look at her. She's fucking just Oh
Speaker 1: she's thrown her spleen out onto the depths. She's put
Speaker 1: her bloody mute on him. Why did you put your
Speaker 1: mic on you? Did you nearly dislocate one of your kidneys? Again?
Speaker 1: I have to put that back in with a spatula? Fuck?
Speaker 1: What's going on with you?
Speaker 2: What did it say about my life? You asked me earlier?
Speaker 2: How how I've been? What does it say about my
Speaker 2: life that one of the most exciting things that happened
Speaker 2: in the last fortnight was Fritz and I walking along
Speaker 2: a new footpath that was made in our town.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's bland. I'd say that probably made the front
Speaker 1: page of the Balan Gallette.
Speaker 3: It was pretty pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: Is that was that? I mean, all honesty, What does
Speaker 2: that say about me? That I was excited to walk
Speaker 2: on a new footpath? Mind you, I've been here for
Speaker 2: eighteen years and we haven't had any footpaths in the time.
Speaker 2: Like you know, most streets don't have footpaths. My street
Speaker 2: where I live doesn't have a footpath, so having a
Speaker 2: new footpath going was quite big for an entire block
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Well, it's good that you're telling everyone in Australia. It's
Speaker 1: because fuck, we're on the edge of our seats. But no,
Speaker 1: I think it's good. You know why I think it's
Speaker 1: good means it doesn't take much to make you happy.
Speaker 1: And that's a nice thing. Yeah, yeah, because a lot
Speaker 1: of people it takes a lot. Even when their life's great,
Speaker 1: they're still bitching about shit. Let me find let me
Speaker 1: look past all the good stuff to find something to
Speaker 1: bitch about. You know, Tip's dying over there of fucking
Speaker 1: some lung disease. But she's still smiling. She's still she's
Speaker 1: still showing up Mutley, she's still muttling. Speaking of Mutley,
Speaker 1: there's another dog on the other side. Fritz's Fritz the wunderdog,
Speaker 1: who hasn't spoken a word, but somehow as a co
Speaker 1: host if other than dying from the black plague. How
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 4: I'm feeling good. I'm good. Thank you?
Speaker 1: M are you better? Than yesterday.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I am actually and the.
Speaker 1: Day before Patrick or sorry, day before Patrick, we did
Speaker 1: a podcast and about halfway through the podcast, Tiff hit
Speaker 1: the wall and you could just see the deterioration. And
Speaker 1: every time I offer to bring her into the chat,
Speaker 1: he's like, nah, oh good. And then we had another
Speaker 1: podcast recording straight after that one. She's like, I can't
Speaker 1: do it. I'm like, okay, you go and lie down.
Speaker 1: So it's been an interesting medical kind of time over here.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about tech and such interesting things. Patrick. I
Speaker 1: actually spoke with it this one yesterday, but we'll cover
Speaker 1: it again quickly with David Gillespie about the lady who
Speaker 1: sued Meta and YouTube ended up getting a payout of
Speaker 1: six million. I thought it was three, but apparently it.
Speaker 2: Was six three years three US conversion you no, No,
Speaker 2: it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I said that same thing and he corrected me because
Speaker 1: it was three and three for something else. Apparently. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was millions of dollars. The matter, the money doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: but yeah, walk us through this.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: The thing is this has been in the courts and
Speaker 2: it's and it's pretty landmark because whence she have a
Speaker 2: test case in the US courts and something's been proven.
Speaker 2: In this particular case, this is a woman who's twenty
Speaker 2: years old. She had been on social media since she
Speaker 2: was a young child, so first it was YouTube and
Speaker 2: then she went over to the meta stuff, so Instagram.
Speaker 2: But she was claiming, and the jury have come out
Speaker 2: and said, well, yes, she's correct that she became addicted
Speaker 2: to social media and it impacted on her mental state,
Speaker 2: her sense of self that and it was the algorithms
Speaker 2: and the mechanisms behind it that are inherently addictive.
Speaker 3: So it was just that.
Speaker 2: And I know you have very strong opinions about this
Speaker 2: to Crago, and at the end of the day, we
Speaker 2: all make those decisions ourselves whether to flick or turn
Speaker 2: the phone off and put it away.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, in this particular instance.
Speaker 2: It may be a watershed case because it means that
Speaker 2: it's now open the way for potentially hundreds and hundreds,
Speaker 2: even thousands. Some of it may very well be legitimate.
Speaker 2: You know, people who are susceptible to things like addictions.
Speaker 2: Electronic addictions are definitely a thing, So you can see
Speaker 2: where there would be a whole lot of people, but
Speaker 2: we're talking that you know, there are potentially sixteen hundred
Speaker 2: plaintifs in additional cases, three hundred and fifty families, two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty school districts. They're all watching what's happening
Speaker 2: here and potentially lots more.
Speaker 3: Cases of its sort. But I mean this is a
Speaker 3: drop on the ocean. Mind.
Speaker 2: You know, whether it's six million dollars US, that's not
Speaker 2: a lot of money to a big.
Speaker 3: Company like Meta.
Speaker 2: But what it may mean is they may have to
Speaker 2: change the way that they use their algorithms, they may
Speaker 2: have to change the mechanisms. So they're still defending themselves saying, well,
Speaker 2: we didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 3: It's not our platform. And the same with Google and YouTube.
Speaker 2: So it could mean a lot of different things in
Speaker 2: terms of a more legal cases and b whether it
Speaker 2: could force these big tech companies to change the way
Speaker 2: they try to.
Speaker 1: People in Yeah, yeah, no, it is fascinating and there's
Speaker 1: a kind of an intersection of legal stuff and psychological
Speaker 1: stuff and neuroscience stuff, and yeah, what was interesting chatting
Speaker 1: with Gillespie because he's a lawyer, right, so he was
Speaker 1: with like the challenges to prove causation not just correlation,
Speaker 1: and then you go, well, if if all of these
Speaker 1: millions of people are using what she's using, but they
Speaker 1: don't have what she has. It's very hard to go
Speaker 1: this caused it when there are so many other variables.
Speaker 1: But apparently they figured out a way that I think
Speaker 1: the only I think it was the only kind of
Speaker 1: social media stuff she used, was that anyway, they found
Speaker 1: a way. The they found out a way to allegedly
Speaker 1: prove or to prove. So the judge ruled obviously in
Speaker 1: favor of the plaintiff, and now Meta has appealed it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like you said, if that goes down and
Speaker 1: it sticks, David reckons, it could take five years in
Speaker 1: and out of court. So that's what they wanted to do.
Speaker 1: They want to they want to manipulate the system so
Speaker 1: they're not guilty just yet, or they don't have to
Speaker 1: pay out or And also, like you said, it's not
Speaker 1: about the dough because whatever it is, three or six million,
Speaker 1: they don't that's four minutes of work for them. But
Speaker 1: it's the consequences of if this sticks, then that's a
Speaker 1: nightmare for them moving forward. But staying in the legal
Speaker 1: space man court using.
Speaker 2: Sorry, can I just before you go on this one
Speaker 2: other little point that you may not have talked about
Speaker 2: and I guess got I mean, obviously the legal ramifications,
Speaker 2: but what I wanted to point out in this particular
Speaker 2: case is this was a young child, so that when
Speaker 2: she started using social media, and it kind of vindicates
Speaker 2: the fact that we've got a now a ban in
Speaker 2: Australia for under sixteen's. UK is now looking at taking
Speaker 2: this on board because we know that the teenage brain
Speaker 2: can be more susceptible. There's a higher level of plasticity,
Speaker 2: So if you are manipulating the teenage brain or a
Speaker 2: children a child's brain at a really early age, that's
Speaker 2: another factor that came out in this case. I think
Speaker 2: that's really important to understand that these are young people
Speaker 2: who don't have the ability to make those conscious decisions
Speaker 2: that we do as adults, because we've got our formative brains,
Speaker 2: you know, we can look at right and wrong, we
Speaker 2: can make decisions, but young people have a different sort
Speaker 2: of way of thinking. And I think that's the other
Speaker 2: thing that I don't know how much it's been discussed,
Speaker 2: but I think it's a very interesting way to look
Speaker 2: at the band that we've got in Australia and how
Speaker 2: other countries are now doing the same thing that we've done,
Speaker 2: and taking social media away from children under the age
Speaker 2: of sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two things. One I agree with the taking it
Speaker 1: away from them, so I'm not anti this. I agreed
Speaker 1: with you. But to manipulate the teenage brain or the
Speaker 1: child our brain happens constantly in life, with parents, with school,
Speaker 1: with peers, with television, with music, with influences with I mean,
Speaker 1: so to go to manipulate the brain. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: always been manipulated. It's always being affected or impacted. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the answer is, but we'll see. All right, now,
Speaker 1: tell us about the bloke who got caught using smart
Speaker 1: glasses to get advice. This is so clever. So he's
Speaker 1: gone to court. He's wearing smart glasses and he's getting
Speaker 1: advice while he's being cross examined by the I guess
Speaker 1: prosecutors what it it's so smart?
Speaker 3: Look at easy?
Speaker 2: It isn't because he got caught. So it's an interesting case.
Speaker 2: This was in January and it was in the UK
Speaker 2: High Court and it was a Lithuanian guy who's a
Speaker 2: CEO of a company that was trying to battle insolvencies,
Speaker 2: so he was fighting against their insolvency ruling. But what
Speaker 2: the judge noticed that during questioning the guy would has
Speaker 2: for a few seconds and then start to answer and
Speaker 2: during cross examination, and so he was being prompted by
Speaker 2: smart glasses. And then of course once the judge realized
Speaker 2: and told him to take off the glasses, he became
Speaker 2: pretty obvious he was just being cheating because he went,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. So
Speaker 2: that was kind of interesting, you know. So it's funny
Speaker 2: because it is, and.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing is now it's going to get
Speaker 2: more subtle because I saw an article recently. We can
Speaker 2: now get contact lenses are coming out that are smart
Speaker 2: contacts that can actually have.
Speaker 3: A little screen built into them.
Speaker 2: So it's going to get harder to work out whether
Speaker 2: or not someone's being prompted in a.
Speaker 3: Case like this. So that isn't it funny?
Speaker 1: I thought, So whether prompt's visual or auditory.
Speaker 2: On a screen. Now they were on a screen. He's
Speaker 2: got his smart glasses. It was projecting on the screen
Speaker 2: of the smart glasses.
Speaker 1: So was it generating like a script or something? No?
Speaker 2: I think no, actually no, in this particular case, it
Speaker 2: was through his ear It was the little speakers inside
Speaker 2: the smart glasses. So I think there may have been
Speaker 2: a second person listening and then prompting him, and he
Speaker 2: was hearing it, so he was sitting back and listening
Speaker 2: and then replying.
Speaker 3: In this petition, She's.
Speaker 1: Just worn an earpiece, way easier. Yeah, this is interesting.
Speaker 1: Victorian business is fine for telling influencers to lie about
Speaker 1: paid Instagram posts in first of it's kind penalty, and
Speaker 1: I think, well, to me, what that's I mean, every
Speaker 1: influencer that's selling this or that protein powder or that
Speaker 1: range of vite, you know, and they're like, well this
Speaker 1: is this is how I look like this. No, that's
Speaker 1: just not true. But it's almost like we know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right normally in those cases. But in this instance,
Speaker 2: what they did was they told the influences not to
Speaker 2: say that they received something in turn for the review.
Speaker 3: That's where there's that's all right, Yeah, so you're quite right.
Speaker 2: That's what influencers do. They promote a product, and it's
Speaker 2: pretty obvious that they got this. You know, we were
Speaker 2: sent this Tesla and now we're saying it's a great car.
Speaker 3: But in this instance, that's not what happens.
Speaker 2: So the company was fined thirty nine thousand, six hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: A company called Thomson consolidated and they have an online
Speaker 2: service called Photo book Shop, and so thirty six thirty
Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars for a smaller business is quite a
Speaker 2: significant amount. But it also, you know, puts the message
Speaker 2: out there about the way that you use influencers, in
Speaker 2: the way that products are disclosed, and whether or not
Speaker 2: the disclosed. They also changed someone's review as well. They
Speaker 2: were called out changing.
Speaker 3: A review that was a little bit critical.
Speaker 2: I think the review said something along the lines of
Speaker 2: the product was a bit clunky to use, and they
Speaker 2: edited that bit out.
Speaker 1: Wow, well you won't like the next one you or tip.
Speaker 1: Android brands face a rough twenty twenty six with more
Speaker 1: iPhone switched. In other words, people going to iPhone.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was.
Speaker 1: Distressing for you, you bloody Android groupie.
Speaker 2: Well not really because I've got a Pixel phone, and
Speaker 2: Pixel was the least problematic of the Android ecosystem, so
Speaker 2: Pixel didn't do too bad. They're looking like they're still tracking. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's the Samsung's huaweies and all the other phones on
Speaker 2: the market show me that sort of thing. But it
Speaker 2: is interesting that there has been a shift. Australia has
Speaker 2: a very big uptake of Apple products. I've got to
Speaker 2: say now the iPhone is very prolific in Australia.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it might be one in two, or it
Speaker 2: might even be more. I can't remember what the stats were.
Speaker 2: I haven't looked at them for a few years, but
Speaker 2: certainly Australia is a great adopter of Apple iPhones. People
Speaker 2: love iPhones in Australia. That said, that's how it's tracking.
Speaker 3: At the moment.
Speaker 2: There are concerns because of what's going on in the
Speaker 2: Middle East and access to chips, the chips that are
Speaker 2: used in phones, and it looks like that the production
Speaker 2: of Android devices and Snapdragon, the different chips in those,
Speaker 2: and there the tensor trips, the chips that they're being
Speaker 2: used by androids. Where Apple has its own little ecosystem,
Speaker 2: they have a different production line, and so it seems.
Speaker 3: Like there's more confidence in the Apple products.
Speaker 1: I thought you, how's yours gone, Tiff is in your
Speaker 1: phone being a bit problematic at the moment.
Speaker 5: Yes, I write today I would jump ship to an iPhone.
Speaker 5: My phone keeps dropping out in phone calls all the time.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a phone issue or a
Speaker 5: network issue or what.
Speaker 4: Maybe Patrick could help you.
Speaker 3: What is it? What sort of phone is it?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: Do you restart the phone regularly?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I believe it started after I did an update.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That that can actually be really problematic.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when an update comes through, you can roll back updates.
Speaker 3: There's a way to do it. You'd need to google it.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that you can solve a
Speaker 2: lot of those problems is to go into aeroplane mode
Speaker 2: for a few minutes and that or a few seconds
Speaker 2: and then switch airplane mode off, and that basically reinitiates
Speaker 2: the connection to the network.
Speaker 3: That may help as well, if that's going to be
Speaker 3: ongoing problem. That Yeah is good, didn't she Craigo?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's better than me and potentially better than you.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in this because my dad has sleep apna,
Speaker 1: and as do a bunch of people. Of course, the
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety nine dollars Vita ring sounds almost
Speaker 1: like a drink. A Vita ring wakes you up mid
Speaker 1: apna before you ever know it. Happened, So what is
Speaker 1: that just vibrated on your finger or something does?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing that bear in mind is that one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety nine is a special on Kickstarter in
Speaker 2: US dollars, so it's got just about maybe two hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty two hundred and seventy dollars. This is one
Speaker 2: of the first smart rings that I've considered getting for myself.
Speaker 2: I live by myself and Fritz never complains. Of course,
Speaker 2: then go around the other side, but no, he doesn't
Speaker 2: normally explain about me, you know, snoring or making any
Speaker 2: noises at night.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one because for people who do
Speaker 2: you smart tech to monitor their sleep, say it's an
Speaker 2: Apple watch or whatever device or a Samsung, the problem
Speaker 2: is that generally you've got to charge them up every
Speaker 2: two or three days, whereas a smart ring like this
Speaker 2: has a lot longer in terms of its ability to track.
Speaker 2: But it's also less cumbersome. It looks nice or it's
Speaker 2: very solid. Like looking at this particular one, it's it
Speaker 2: looks pretty substantive, you know, it's really it's scratch proof,
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: And they have this system.
Speaker 2: So Vedas come up with this idea of alert, advice
Speaker 2: and act. So some of these health metrics that you
Speaker 2: look at are just monitoring and they don't actively do anything.
Speaker 2: So you wake up in the morning, you look at
Speaker 2: your smart watch statistics and it says, right, you had
Speaker 2: six and a half hours of really good sleep, but
Speaker 2: you tossed and turned for two hours or something. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not eveentirely sure what the algorithm says, but in
Speaker 2: this instance, it monitors in real time and it looks
Speaker 2: like yours s patterns are and when it notices you
Speaker 2: potentially going into an appnear mode, that's when the vibration
Speaker 2: starts enough for you to be jolted to the point
Speaker 2: where you may roll over in bed or do something
Speaker 2: different just because of the movement. So it may not
Speaker 2: even wake you up, but it will cause you to
Speaker 2: alter your sleep pattern or your movement in bed. And
Speaker 2: this sounds really interesting. It's got a whole lot of
Speaker 2: different met health metrics, so seventeen different health metrics are
Speaker 2: being monitored.
Speaker 3: By the ring.
Speaker 2: But I can also see this would be great for
Speaker 2: older people potentially because they're probably more used to wearing
Speaker 2: a ring than a like a smart watch can becomesome
Speaker 2: for them and too technical, whereas this is a lot
Speaker 2: more subtle. And that's what I like about the idea
Speaker 2: of wearing something like this. I tried wearing my watch
Speaker 2: to bed a few times. I struggle wearing a watch
Speaker 2: to bed. What about you, guys? Do you do to
Speaker 2: health track it all?
Speaker 3: Tiff bed.
Speaker 1: I can't wear watches, old fashioned watches because they start,
Speaker 1: you know, the chronograph watches. If I wear a watch,
Speaker 1: the watch like within about an hour.
Speaker 3: What yep, yeah, litrically charged. What the hell?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had it fifty times. I get a watch
Speaker 1: and put it on and the watch stops. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: know that's weird and that you might not believe me.
Speaker 1: Like digital watch is fine, but like old school watches, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't work. That's why you've never seen like neither
Speaker 1: of you have seen me ever with a watch. I
Speaker 1: like watching. I just can't wear them.
Speaker 2: So what this battery powered and wind up So both
Speaker 2: you've tried both the battery ones and the wind up ones.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I well, definitely had wind up ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they stop. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a reason for that. I was just going to say, Patrick,
Speaker 1: I could see you in a potential mister Patrick getting
Speaker 1: married and exchanging Vita rings at the altar?
Speaker 3: Did that at work?
Speaker 2: I do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like as long as he's a geek as well.
Speaker 1: Google's start shaming apps that drain your battery?
Speaker 2: How good is that? This is interesting? We'll see what
Speaker 2: people may not realize. Well, look, for most of us,
Speaker 2: we know we're in a new city or where somewhere
Speaker 2: where we haven't been, and turn on our GPS and
Speaker 2: use our phone to walk around and get around the place.
Speaker 3: Our batteries get drained pretty significantly. I don't know if you've.
Speaker 2: Noticed that before, but certainly using GPS drains your battery. However,
Speaker 2: what a lot of people don't realize is that lots
Speaker 2: of apps do lots of different things and use up
Speaker 2: different system resources. Consequently, they actually take up more power
Speaker 2: than other apps.
Speaker 3: So in this.
Speaker 2: Instance, what Google is now doing is it's rolling out
Speaker 2: in the play Store a little indicated to say how
Speaker 2: much that app is power.
Speaker 3: Hungry, which is kind of cool.
Speaker 2: So it means that when you're loading up new apps
Speaker 2: on your phone, you can say, okay, this may be problematic,
Speaker 2: or you switch the app off. So you know that
Speaker 2: it's not going to cause problems if you want, you know,
Speaker 2: I like that. A lot of phones now go into
Speaker 2: a power save mode so you can set and this
Speaker 2: is an interesting one. If you're going to spend a
Speaker 2: whole day away from chargers and you don't want to
Speaker 2: waste battery, what you can do is go into power
Speaker 2: save mode. That will effectively turn off all the things
Speaker 2: that aren't necessary, so you'll extend the battery life. I
Speaker 2: was at a constant recently and a friend of mine
Speaker 2: his phone was dropped down to like about fifteen percent
Speaker 2: or less than that. And so I've got a battery
Speaker 2: share feature. So at dinner, I flipped my phone over
Speaker 2: and my phone can share my battery power and charge
Speaker 2: his phone.
Speaker 3: So that was kind of cool. We did that for
Speaker 3: a little bit. The Pixel phone does that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about other phones that can do that
Speaker 2: as well, but I can share my battery with other people,
Speaker 2: just kind of Can I tell.
Speaker 1: You something funny that is interesting? When it said I
Speaker 1: thought this said this heading Google starts shaming apps. I
Speaker 1: thought that were apps that shamed people. That's how I
Speaker 1: read it. Yeah, yeah, and I thought I'd created these
Speaker 1: apps that shame people and also happen to drain your battery.
Speaker 1: So I'm a fucking idiot, is the take home message.
Speaker 1: Chemistry student develops clear nail polish that turns your fingernail
Speaker 1: into a touchscreen stylust.
Speaker 3: How good is that?
Speaker 2: This is really interesting because I've observed now there's a
Speaker 2: lady who's a receptionist at a company I do some
Speaker 2: work with, and whenever she uses her smartphone, it does
Speaker 2: my head in because she's got really long fingernails. When
Speaker 2: she uses a smartphone, there's this really bizarre way that
Speaker 2: she has to flatten her hand to use the s
Speaker 2: because generally we just kind of broaden punch.
Speaker 1: Souse the nail gets in the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So this student and this I love this that this
Speaker 2: is a student at Centenary College of Louisiana and her
Speaker 2: name is Manside de Sai, and she noticed that it
Speaker 2: was problematic.
Speaker 3: So she is a researcher.
Speaker 2: In the area of I think it was like in
Speaker 2: cosmetic chemistry. So she had the smarts in that area.
Speaker 2: So she's come up with a clear nail polish that
Speaker 2: acts effectively as a styluss once it's coated on the nail,
Speaker 2: it becomes a styluss and it makes it easier for
Speaker 2: you to use on your phone.
Speaker 3: I thought that's awesome. Isn't it a great idea?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I see a couple of issues. So the
Speaker 1: nail keeps growing, right, and then you've got to cut
Speaker 1: the nail or shape the nail. Do you have to
Speaker 1: keep you must have to keep reapplying the stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess if it's just the one finger,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, that's fine, You're right, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: It's not going to affect for the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm just planning for my styluss fingernail.
Speaker 3: See, do do you let your fingernails grow very much?
Speaker 2: Because I get to a point where I have to
Speaker 2: cut them because I used to do a lot of
Speaker 2: rock climbing and these are way too long. I'm just
Speaker 2: noticing the talons at the end of my fingers at
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's creepy. It's funny you ask, because I
Speaker 1: actually have an inch answer. So, as some people know,
Speaker 1: I used to play guitar a lot for a long time,
Speaker 1: but I have not picked up a guitar in ten years.
Speaker 1: And so the other day I took my guitars. I've
Speaker 1: got a few up to the old guitar mechanic and went,
Speaker 1: can you make these or razzle dazz or put some
Speaker 1: new strings on them? Blah blah blah. So a lot
Speaker 1: of guitarists, like people who play a lot. You'll notice
Speaker 1: if they're a normal right handed guitar player, their left
Speaker 1: hand will have no fingernails. Their right hand will have
Speaker 1: long fingernails, so they can pluck. You're right, and so
Speaker 1: right now my right nails are or my right hand
Speaker 1: has got long nails, my left hand has got short nails.
Speaker 1: So that's a weird little bit of trivia that people
Speaker 1: don't need to know. But generally mine is short, tip
Speaker 1: yours short? Sure its functional?
Speaker 4: Yes, because I'm learning guitar harps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know you are. My nails down
Speaker 1: the female Tommy Emmanuel, you can maybe let the right
Speaker 1: side grow. Patrick, tell me about the ideal amount of
Speaker 1: coffee allegedly that's going to there seems almost a counterintuitive statement,
Speaker 1: the right amount of coffee to lower stress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that interesting? This is not just an arbitrary study.
Speaker 2: So the researchers in China, and this is I find
Speaker 2: this interesting because it actually says China. I paid the
Speaker 2: most have ever paid for a cup of coffee in China.
Speaker 2: Was crap because Chinese generally don't drink that much coffee.
Speaker 1: And I'm not not renowned for it.
Speaker 2: No, paid fourteen dollars for a coffee like That's outrageous,
Speaker 2: isn't it?
Speaker 3: And it was terrible.
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, anyway, I should have gone back and
Speaker 2: got more, but any other language barrier. But so, what
Speaker 2: these researchers did at Fudan University in China, they took
Speaker 2: some findings, and it was findings from over four hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty thousand individuals over thirteen point four years. And
Speaker 2: what they did was they looked at the mental health
Speaker 2: at the start of the study and then over that
Speaker 2: span of time they charted how much. It was just
Speaker 2: self reporting, but they said, you know, how much coffee
Speaker 2: do you drink? And they seem that after the number crunching,
Speaker 2: those people who drank two to three cups of coffee
Speaker 2: a day were the least likely to develop mental health
Speaker 2: problems compared to those that didn't drink coffee at all
Speaker 2: or who drank more than three cups. So that sweet
Speaker 2: spot is two to three cups is what they found out.
Speaker 2: Now this again they were looking at other people's research
Speaker 2: and they collated it all. But it seems like, you know,
Speaker 2: nearly half a million people over such a long amount
Speaker 2: of time, and that's conclusions that they drew from that,
Speaker 2: you know, that number crunching of that data.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. One thing I would want to know is
Speaker 1: how many milligrams of caffeine per cup, because that can
Speaker 1: vary from forty into one hundred and forty to like
Speaker 1: one hundred. So but yeah, it's I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think moderate caffeine intake for me, and it is not
Speaker 1: medical advice everyone, but for me, definitely better, Like it's
Speaker 1: a kind of a good stimulant, not a crazy, out
Speaker 1: of control stimulant. Definitely an improved cognitive performance for me,
Speaker 1: attention focus for a period of time. And also just
Speaker 1: I like my little morning ritual Patrick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, I mate, I mean I was running,
Speaker 2: I wasn't actually running late this morning, but I had
Speaker 2: a shower, I got ready because I've got to go
Speaker 2: into Melbourne on the train on the chu Chuo.
Speaker 3: I can't believe just said that. Can you cut that
Speaker 3: out to anyway? I love it.
Speaker 1: The chuo choo that you do. Did you do yeah?
Speaker 3: Did you chose a direction?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 1: Fuck that. Let's know, let's leave that all in yep,
Speaker 1: go on. So what's your coffee ritual?
Speaker 2: Well, this morning I had to have a coffee before
Speaker 2: I came in, and you're probably not going to be
Speaker 2: you might be able to see it. It's a really
Speaker 2: cute mug that I've got. Can you see that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, loved by a schnauzer, loved by someone gave.
Speaker 1: You've obviously heard Dame Edner's or watched the video about
Speaker 1: if have you ever seen Dame Edner talking about his
Speaker 1: wife schnauzer? Yes, viewers, Viewers, you probably if you haven't, viewers, listeners,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen that, just Dame Edner. It's on
Speaker 1: Park Parkinson.
Speaker 3: Liz Patterson. It was Liz Patterson.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, sorry, Les Patterson. Exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very very funny. New psychology research reveals the cognitive cost
Speaker 1: of smartphone notifications. Oh this is see.
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one because we talk about the
Speaker 2: impact of using your phones and being distracted by technology,
Speaker 2: and it seems that it's not how long you spend
Speaker 2: on the device. It's how often you're distracted by the device,
Speaker 2: is what this particular study. So this was a study
Speaker 2: in computers and human behavior, and what they looked at
Speaker 2: is how your concentration gets broken by notifications. So one
Speaker 2: of the things I realized many many, many years ago
Speaker 2: was that every time I was using my computer and
Speaker 2: Outlook was checking for emails, I'd get a ping and
Speaker 2: that would be distracting because the first thing that you
Speaker 2: do when you hear the ping is you rush to
Speaker 2: your inbox to see it might be a new email.
Speaker 2: It's that kind of reward, you know, the ping is
Speaker 2: the notification. The reward is to see if there's a
Speaker 2: new email. So I turn off my Outlooks ability to
Speaker 2: check for emails so that only I choose when I
Speaker 2: want to check for emails. So I kind of take
Speaker 2: it away from there and I'm not distracted. But smartphones
Speaker 2: do this all the time when you look at your notifications.
Speaker 2: You know, I always turn notifications off when I'm teaching
Speaker 2: or I'm going to be in a meeting. One of
Speaker 2: the loveliest features, my favorite feature of my phone, my
Speaker 2: pixel is I like that when you turn it upside down,
Speaker 2: it goes into do not disturb mode, and I find
Speaker 2: that when I go into a meeting or I'm talking
Speaker 2: to someone, putting your phone fail down is also a
Speaker 2: very visual queue that I want to talk to you
Speaker 2: and not be distracted by my phone. I think that
Speaker 2: says sends a clear message when you're somebody, because there's
Speaker 2: nothing worse than having a conversation and the person picks
Speaker 2: up the phone and you think, are you talking to
Speaker 2: me or are you're looking at your phone? And I
Speaker 2: know people who are like that mid conversation will start
Speaker 2: looking at their phone. So it makes a lot of
Speaker 2: sense when it comes to being distracted. You think about
Speaker 2: all the different ways you're distracted during the day. Tip
Speaker 2: do you have notifications on what pings on your phone?
Speaker 2: What you know, what's your computer doing?
Speaker 1: It's not a fair question because she's got ADHD. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I turned all my notifications off and very few of
Speaker 5: them will show the.
Speaker 4: Red dots, and I hide things.
Speaker 5: But I'm still stupidly addicted to still pick it up,
Speaker 5: pick it up all the time. Check I'll pick it
Speaker 5: up for one thing, and I opened four other apps first,
Speaker 5: and then I forget what I picked it up to do.
Speaker 3: It was a landmark court case recently, Tiff that you
Speaker 3: may be with the leaving readjob.
Speaker 4: We're thinking about it.
Speaker 2: You can retire six million US. Holy crap, that's worth
Speaker 2: the case, isn't it?
Speaker 4: No mate, I'm on big bucks at type. That's not
Speaker 4: worth it for me.
Speaker 2: We do in fact, Craig Didy double my, would I
Speaker 2: get for the Joe this year?
Speaker 1: You're too okay now you go? Yeah, fucking idiots. That's
Speaker 1: what I had before the start of the show. Everyone,
Speaker 1: I expect me to pay them. Get good and we
Speaker 1: might talk about it. AI software for smart glasses wins
Speaker 1: a million dollar or a million pound prize for technology
Speaker 1: to help people with dementia. I might have to get
Speaker 1: some for some people that I know quite closely.
Speaker 2: This is interesting because you know, there's lots of talk
Speaker 2: around smart glasses and the use and applications, and there's
Speaker 2: the centers in one sense that call them glassholes because
Speaker 2: they can film things when you're not sure about. But
Speaker 2: this is actually a really interesting one and it kind
Speaker 2: of comes to heart to me because Mum had dementia
Speaker 2: and what they're talking about is embedding AI software into
Speaker 2: smart glasses so that people wearing them can be prompted
Speaker 2: whilst with verbal cues, and that's really good. So think
Speaker 2: about maybe, you know one of the things that happened
Speaker 2: with mum. Dad still worked and Mum was at home,
Speaker 2: and if there were a few times where there was
Speaker 2: one instance where Mum turned the burner on on the
Speaker 2: stove and put the plastic kettle on the electric kettle.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that's the reality of how dementia can work.
Speaker 2: And you know, keeping people at home safe is really important.
Speaker 2: So potentially the smart glasses could be monitoring what's happening
Speaker 2: on a day to day basis and if you went
Speaker 2: to you know, if you could imagine then turn the
Speaker 2: gas off, if those prompts were being able to be
Speaker 2: given to the person with dementia, it could make their
Speaker 2: life so much safer. So there's no there's no surprise
Speaker 2: that they've won a one million pound fries.
Speaker 3: To further develop this.
Speaker 2: So it's called cross Sense and but quickly you wear
Speaker 2: it and it's a chatty assistant. It's called Wispy and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's able to give you prompts and feedback during tasks,
Speaker 2: so verbal cues and now you can even have text
Speaker 2: floating in front of your eyes and you can ask
Speaker 2: questions to it, you know, and engage in conversation. So
Speaker 2: even the loneliness factor of somebody suffering from dementia, they
Speaker 2: may be able to combat that as well.
Speaker 3: I think it's awesome. This is really exciting stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the I think that's brilliant too.
Speaker 1: One of the challenges is like my mum's you know,
Speaker 1: she's in that space and she's eighty six and she's
Speaker 1: had an iPhone for like that I buy every few
Speaker 1: years a new one, like for the last ten years,
Speaker 1: and she still doesn't know how to use an iPhone,
Speaker 1: like and she taps it with her finger and I
Speaker 1: like a fucking woodpecker. I'm like, Mum, you know, just
Speaker 1: just put your index on, you know, just use your finger,
Speaker 1: not your nail. And it's like if she comes the
Speaker 1: higher she comes from, like if it doesn't work, then
Speaker 1: she taps it harder, you know, Like it's like force
Speaker 1: is going to make I don't know, like it's.
Speaker 3: A capable as you can buy now that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get that. Let's get some of that for her.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about this one because I and
Speaker 1: I wear headphones all the time when I'm about has
Speaker 1: it as substances found in all headphones, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: tested by the tox Free Project.
Speaker 2: So this was an article in The Guardian a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago, and it really kind of frightened me a
Speaker 2: little bit because I do wear headphones all day long.
Speaker 2: I have in my office and they sit on they
Speaker 2: literally sit on me all the time. But that means
Speaker 2: that that plastic is sitting against my skin and so
Speaker 2: it heats up and it cools down. And so this organization,
Speaker 2: this tox Free Pronchi, is looking at what actually happens
Speaker 2: when we come into contact with plastics. And I know
Speaker 2: plastics are the whole new Achilles Heel of the human
Speaker 2: race at the moment, and it's frightening to think that,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, how long has plastics been around
Speaker 2: for It's a petroleum product, that's you know, and it's
Speaker 2: in everything. But now they're saying that even the top
Speaker 2: level brands. This is what the report said in the Guardian,
Speaker 2: bows Panasonic, Samsung, sen Hi. So we're found to contain
Speaker 2: harmful chemicals because of the way the plastics are made.
Speaker 2: So the formula of the plastics which they're actually made of,
Speaker 2: and there's nothing regulating what sort of plastic is being
Speaker 2: used in manufacturing, so there is somewhat they call not
Speaker 2: medical grade, I think they call they call it medical
Speaker 2: grade plastics. So they're designed to be used in medical
Speaker 2: products or they're safe safer to use, so whether it's
Speaker 2: being used in a microwave or being used to store food.
Speaker 2: But that's not necessarily the case with headphones. And this
Speaker 2: is where the industry is now home under scrutiny because
Speaker 2: these plastics are in contact with us constantly, and that's
Speaker 2: the concern because we've got them in our ears, we've
Speaker 2: got them.
Speaker 3: Vibrating against our jaws or whatever, or over ear headphones.
Speaker 2: And now they're kind of saying, well, there's no immediate
Speaker 2: health risk, but what they're concerned about is the long
Speaker 2: term exposure. So don't throw away your headphones now. But
Speaker 2: they talk again about vulnerable group groups like teenagers, as
Speaker 2: children are growing, what are the impacts of having chemicals
Speaker 2: like coming out of these plastics that potentially could be
Speaker 2: influencing because they're even talking about affecting young males, and
Speaker 2: with some of the plastics mimic hormones as well, so
Speaker 2: they have the same effect that hormones do on young
Speaker 2: forming bodies here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're called end to crime disruptors, and you're
Speaker 1: exactly right. So, and what we know is the softer
Speaker 1: the plastic, the worse because it's more permeable. And so
Speaker 1: you get a bottle of water, you leave it in
Speaker 1: your car and it's day. You should absolutely not drink
Speaker 1: that absolutely also somewhat distressing for most of our audience
Speaker 1: that I'm about to share with. Think about a warm
Speaker 1: or a hot coffee, or worse, a black coffee in
Speaker 1: a takeaway cup with a plastic lid. You put your
Speaker 1: lips on the plastic, and then you have this heated
Speaker 1: liquid coming through the plastic into your mouth. I think,
Speaker 1: and I've never heard this theory, this is mine, maybe
Speaker 1: somebody else came up with it. I think we're going
Speaker 1: to find out that's a big fucking problem down the
Speaker 1: track because you've literally got this stuff that can permeate
Speaker 1: a that's a very vulnerable type of plastic that and
Speaker 1: we're drinking through that plastic. That's a pretty easy entry
Speaker 1: system into your physiology. So either drink out of a
Speaker 1: mug like a ceramic mug or whatever is my advice,
Speaker 1: or get yourself a steal keep cup.
Speaker 2: Now that's interesting you say that though, because I've got
Speaker 2: a glass keep cup and we thought, oh yeah, glass
Speaker 2: keep cup.
Speaker 3: That's a bit of option. But the lead is still plastic.
Speaker 1: That's right, and that that is an issue.
Speaker 3: That's a more plastic though, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's that's very very hard. I've got the same I've
Speaker 1: got a steel keep cup and the lid is like
Speaker 1: steel plastic. It's still I'm not, I'm not. It's great,
Speaker 1: but I will often take the lid off anywhere and
Speaker 1: just drink out of the you know, like unless you
Speaker 1: need it to be hot for ouse. We've got to
Speaker 1: wind up very quickly because we've all got to get
Speaker 1: out early. Is today, let's do one more tell us
Speaker 1: about mini brains replacing lab animals. I do not even
Speaker 1: know what that means.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is yeah what I love it being a vegan.
Speaker 2: You. I finally introduced it into the conversation and there
Speaker 2: was a bit of seguey there, no, what the idea
Speaker 2: is that they're now lab growing cells.
Speaker 3: That's tickled fancy there by the.
Speaker 4: Way look on that his face is.
Speaker 3: Just it is.
Speaker 2: I wish we could if you show this to our listeners,
Speaker 2: because you know he does get that. Look, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: he's going to pick up his shabby now and wipe
Speaker 2: his face.
Speaker 4: I think you just swap into his smart glasses so he.
Speaker 3: May put him at the start of the show.
Speaker 1: See what I mean? Everyone, what I mean bullying? Bullying?
Speaker 1: It's subversive, it seems low level, and they gang up
Speaker 1: on me like that all the time. Yeah, the comments
Speaker 1: are going to be boo fucking who harps? And then
Speaker 1: that makes you a bully as well?
Speaker 3: That boo who harps?
Speaker 1: Is that the title of the episode. Yeah, boo boo,
Speaker 1: poor poor fragile jumbo. I'll survive, all right, tell us
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 2: So obviously, mice and rats and pigs have often been
Speaker 2: used as the animals for bio research. Now we can
Speaker 2: culture and we're talking two hundred million animals used in
Speaker 2: labs every year, and if we can combat that. And
Speaker 2: the thing is, you know, we've cured cancer and so
Speaker 2: many different mice, but is pothetically identical to us. So
Speaker 2: the reality of it is, even though we're using animals
Speaker 2: that are very similar to us genetically, they're not identical
Speaker 2: to us. So if we can culture stem cells that
Speaker 2: then grow into say a brain culture, and then we
Speaker 2: use that for study and research that has a lot
Speaker 2: of merit because they're human brain cells, not a pig
Speaker 2: or a chicken or whatever it is using. So it
Speaker 2: has this double benefit, one being that you know, two
Speaker 2: hundred million animals may not necessarily have to be experimented on,
Speaker 2: and we're closely aligning whatever we're researching with what's genetically
Speaker 2: much closer to us.
Speaker 1: Well, that's good. That's good for a range of reasons.
Speaker 3: The win win, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: It certainly is? Patrick. Where can people find you and
Speaker 1: you know, come and see you and employ your.
Speaker 2: Services websites noow dot com dot au and if you
Speaker 2: have anything you want us to talk about. If you
Speaker 2: think we should be bullying Craig regularly on the show,
Speaker 2: please feel free to contact me and I will pass
Speaker 2: it on.
Speaker 1: I will accept it. I will take it now because
Speaker 1: it's all about getting uncomfortable. It's okay, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1: You're bullying equals my resilience, So have at it. You
Speaker 1: just you just let lose you too and bully TIF.
Speaker 1: What have you got to say for yourself?
Speaker 4: Nothing?
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 5: I think you're fabulous in your floating today and it's
Speaker 5: been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: So you don't try and you can't wind it back.
Speaker 1: Now what's done is done, and don't worry. It's it's
Speaker 1: locked away in the fucking cognitive vault. So don't you
Speaker 1: come to me for any favors. Ah, we're just gagging.
Speaker 1: We love each other everyone, so don't think, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there actually is a if there's no fucking riff. I
Speaker 1: always say to people, if I pick on you, I
Speaker 1: love you. So if I don't pick on you, oh.
Speaker 3: Sorry, can I just tell you a quick quit thing?
Speaker 3: I know we shouldn't do this. Ah, when I was
Speaker 3: in Italy.
Speaker 1: Fucker now, it's like you know, when you've said good
Speaker 1: night to your mum and she still keeps talking on
Speaker 1: the phone night and you're not fucking getting.
Speaker 3: So we're gon.
Speaker 2: We're on a golf buggy tour of Rome, right, so
Speaker 2: three of us in the back of these little cabs
Speaker 2: at the back of this thing. Anyway, we're twenty minutes
Speaker 2: into the tour and the tour guy turns around and says,
Speaker 2: you guys must be really good friends because you keep
Speaker 2: giving each other shit.
Speaker 3: It's like, because that's what I do with my friends.
Speaker 2: And it's true, isn't it When we rip each other
Speaker 2: and do all that, we don't really make it because
Speaker 2: we love you.
Speaker 1: Do you know who's not as good at it?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 1: Ladies? Ladies? Ladies like a lady.
Speaker 4: And then I realized you weren't talking about me, as
Speaker 4: I'm old lady.
Speaker 1: No, no, lady, Well you know that you've said that,
Speaker 1: But what about you know, Diane comes up in a
Speaker 1: new Frock and Gail goes, that is fucking horrible, Like,
Speaker 1: what did someone pay you? Is this a bet? What's
Speaker 1: going on with that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Because ladies are more I guess, caring and empathetic, and
Speaker 1: they'll lie their asses off to make someone feel good.
Speaker 1: Am I right? You're not like if you think that
Speaker 1: something's fucking horrible, you're a lady of friends, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I think some women would go I would
Speaker 1: tell them. I don't know though in the real world, ladies,
Speaker 1: let me know. Am I wrong or right? Go to
Speaker 1: the Facebook page? I think because you want to make
Speaker 1: people feel good, so you'll tell, as Mary would say,
Speaker 1: a little white lie, a little white lie, because you
Speaker 1: don't want to hurt people's feelings. See, but blokes We're like, nah,
Speaker 1: fuck you, you look like a bag of shit. All right,
Speaker 1: great story, great ad, by the way, fucking hell that'll
Speaker 1: go down. Then in the fucking the trophy cabinet of
Speaker 1: typ do you.
Speaker 2: Reckon anyone's even listening, because we already kind of signed off.
Speaker 3: See you guys, see Craig, see t Bye.