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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, July two, twenty twenty five. The juries still

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Speaker 1: out in the Aaron Patterson triple murder case, and on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday they'll begin a third day of deliberations. That's about

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Speaker 1: the fatal lunch of beef Wellington's laced with deadly deathcap mushrooms.

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Speaker 1: Patterson is pleaded not guilty. As soon as there's a verdict,

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Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com do au. The crowd at

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Speaker 1: Glastonbury's Music Festival has turned on Keir Starmer, and so

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Speaker 1: is the rest of Britain apparently, as populists Nigel Farage

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Speaker 1: on the right and Jeremy Corbyn on the left steal

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Speaker 1: the Labour PM's popularity today. What's gone wrong for Starmer

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Speaker 1: and British Labor just a year after their Landslide election victory?

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Speaker 1: Before we begin, this episode is about British politics, so

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Speaker 1: there's a bit of swearing.

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Speaker 2: Starmer is having a rough time of it lately. He's

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Speaker 2: fallen behind reform in the polls. Labor, of course, are

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Speaker 2: facing growing calls for regime change.

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Speaker 1: Now is has a.

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Speaker 3: Government less than year old allowed this revolt to happen?

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Speaker 1: Are in House UK political expert is Richard Ferguson, who,

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Speaker 1: as you're here, is a proud Scotsman. Richard kir Starmer

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Speaker 1: has only been Prime Minister for a year and the

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Speaker 1: joy and exuberance of his election has been replaced by

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Speaker 1: chance of fuck Kirs Starmer at the Glastonbury Music Festival.

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Speaker 4: What's gone wrong?

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Speaker 3: I think Claire that Keer Starmer's first year has revealed

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Speaker 3: three huge problems with him. Number One, his election was

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Speaker 3: not a vote for Kerstarmer and Labor. It was a

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Speaker 3: vote against Richie Sunak, Liz Truss, Boris Johnson, Theresa May,

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Speaker 3: David Cameron and the Tories and everything that they had

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Speaker 3: stood for for the past fourteen years. Number Two, he

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Speaker 3: has proven to be an awful political manager and communicator.

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Speaker 3: There were already doubts about his political management and communication

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Speaker 3: early on when he'd become the leader of the Labor

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Speaker 3: Party after the catastrophe of Jeremy corbyin but he'd managed

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Speaker 3: to quell some of that. But he's made some very

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Speaker 3: bad decisions since he's been in government. And free is

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Speaker 3: actually not in his control, which is that Britain is

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Speaker 3: just in a dark mood. Its productivity is disastrous. Brexit

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Speaker 3: has struggled in lots of he has a very very

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Speaker 3: shallow mandate and two he's just made some really bad mistakes.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't long after his election that he got himself

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Speaker 1: into controversy over accepting gifts from labor donors. And these

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Speaker 1: are things that Kiirs Starmer, who seems to be a

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Speaker 1: pretty wealthy guy he's a QC, didn't seem to need

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Speaker 1: gifts of clothes for his wife, for example, hospitality accommodation.

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Speaker 1: Why would Kirstarmer have accepted things like that?

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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, Claire.

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Speaker 3: The acceptance of the gifts from the labor donor, Lord Dali,

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Speaker 3: and the early chaos in his office where his chief

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Speaker 3: were huge dents. And the promise, the promise from Kir

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Speaker 3: Starmer was I am the antithesis of Boris Johnson and Ledstross.

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Speaker 3: I am not chaoti, I am organized, I am sober,

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Speaker 3: I am serious.

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Speaker 4: There is no drama with me.

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Speaker 3: So when he had to sack a chief of staff

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Speaker 3: who wasn't getting on with anybody, that was a huge problem.

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Speaker 4: And then two of the acceptance.

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Speaker 3: Of Lord Ali it was I am the former Director

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Speaker 3: I am integrity in human form, and immediately that was

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Speaker 3: wiped away after all the scandals that followed Boris Johnson

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Speaker 3: with the COVID parties and the women and all of that.

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Speaker 3: So the only two things that appeared to make him authentic,

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Speaker 3: considering he, you know, is considered in Britain to have

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Speaker 3: no political opinions of his own, was that he's a

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Speaker 3: those were both wiped away very early on, and it's

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Speaker 5: I stop, mister speaker. The fact of the matter is this,

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Speaker 5: they left for twenty.

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Speaker 6: Two brilliant pound black hole from the OBR. Richard Hughes

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Speaker 6: is upsolutely clear.

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Speaker 1: Keiths Stalmer's government came into power claiming that the Tories

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Speaker 1: had left them with the tens of billions of dollar

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Speaker 1: black hole that they needed to plug, and one of

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Speaker 1: the first attempts to do that was scrapping winter fuel

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Speaker 1: payments for pensioners. That's a very dearly held value of

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Speaker 1: many of Labour's own MPs that they help poor people

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Speaker 1: through winter with payments. The Government's going to be means

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Speaker 1: testing some of those. Where has that fuel issue ended up?

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Speaker 1: And why has that been so hard for Keys Stalmer

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Speaker 3: The winter fuel payment was an absolutely disastrous moment for

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Speaker 3: Keir Starmer and shored has lack of political notes, I

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Speaker 3: think Claire. For years the Labor Party, including himself, had

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Speaker 3: been campaigning against Tory austerity and pairing back welfare budgets. No,

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Speaker 3: this is not to see that welfare reform isn't important

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Speaker 3: and often, as was the case with Hot Kidding for example,

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Speaker 3: it's up to Labor governments to have the political capital

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Speaker 3: to make tough economic reform and welfare reform that you

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Speaker 3: know Tories wouldn't get away with. But he didn't have

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Speaker 3: the sweeteners, He didn't have the message to explain why

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Speaker 3: he was making this his first order of business, taking

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Speaker 3: winter few payments away from pensioners essentially, and it exposed

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Speaker 3: him very very badly. It showed that he didn't understand

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Speaker 3: his own MPs. He does not have a good management

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Speaker 3: of his huge majority, and he didn't understand why he

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Speaker 3: was elected. He had been elected to not be a Tory,

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Speaker 3: and he was acting like a Tory. But I think

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Speaker 3: in many ways, you know, his welfare reforms are exactly

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Speaker 3: what Britain needs. But he just falls into the trap

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Speaker 3: again and again of appearing to go against the principles

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Speaker 3: of his own party in a way that Tony Blair,

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Speaker 3: despite the fact that people talk about Tony Blair as

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Speaker 3: this by Blair was very good at balancing the left

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Speaker 4: Keir Starmer is not good at that.

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Speaker 1: Kis Talma backflipped on those winter fuel payments and now

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Speaker 1: he's had to backflip again, this time under threat of

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Speaker 1: a revolt by his own Labor MPs. And this is

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Speaker 1: about bigger welfare reforms centering on something called the Personal

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Speaker 1: Independence Payment or PIP. It's one of those great government acronyms,

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Speaker 1: isn't it, Richard. But it's a bit like Australia's NDIS.

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Speaker 1: It means a payment to help you if you are

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Speaker 1: disabled with the costs.

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Speaker 4: Of daily Life.

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Speaker 1: The government announced dramatic cuts to that program, then, faced

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Speaker 1: with labor MP's horror, had to scale back those changes.

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Speaker 1: Was there a risk there or is there a risk

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Speaker 1: that Kirstealmer could lose his position as Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: I think in the medium term, the beggar risk is

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Speaker 3: Rachel Reeves the Chancellor losing her possession.

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Speaker 6: I think the honorable gentlemen for that question that the

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Speaker 6: government carefully considered all of the policies in the autumn

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Speaker 6: budget in the context of the difficult fiscal inheritance that

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Speaker 6: we faced from the party opposite the decisions doing.

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Speaker 3: She seems to be the one that Kier Starmer will

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Speaker 3: labor and PS are still very unhappy with the concessions

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Speaker 3: that Kir Starmer has made. He could still lose this fight.

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Speaker 3: From a policy perspective, Britain's budget and probably a lot

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Speaker 3: of disabled people in Britain would benefit from changes that

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Speaker 3: help them get into work that if they can work

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Speaker 3: and they want to work, will actually benefit them, and

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Speaker 3: kir Starmer has said this. The only problem is that

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Speaker 3: every time Kiir Starmer says something, he changes his mind

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Speaker 3: once it gets politically.

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Speaker 4: Difficult for him.

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Speaker 3: He appears to have very little political backbone.

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Speaker 1: One thing that he has been relatively staunchown is support

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Speaker 1: for Israel and critique of and Semitism, and that's brought

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Speaker 1: him into conflict with the hip hop trio Kneecap, which

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Speaker 1: during their headlining set at Glastonbury led a chant of

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Speaker 1: that one of them is facing allegations which he denies,

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Speaker 1: of supporting Hezblah. The crowd at Glastonbury have paid eight

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Speaker 1: hundred bucks for their tickets. They are wealthy, they're kind

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Speaker 1: of progressive people who you would think are rusted on

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Speaker 1: labor voters. Who are they going to vote for?

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Speaker 4: Is it the Greens?

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Speaker 1: Like it would be here?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the thing.

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Speaker 3: The Glastonbury sets biggest problem is that they all love

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Carbin. They all love Jeremy Corbyn. They still cannot

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Speaker 3: get over the fact that Jeremy Corburn lost twenty nineteen

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Speaker 3: saw badly. It was the Libra Party's worstter feat ever

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Speaker 3: and they haven't quite gotten over that. So the beggest

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Speaker 3: threat at the moment, Claire could be Jeremy Corbin.

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Speaker 5: Quite simply, isn't the truth that this is a gunment

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Speaker 5: that protects the super rich while the rest of us

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Speaker 5: pick up the bill through cuts, austerity, poverty, homelessness, low

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Speaker 5: wages and slashing of local services all over the country.

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Speaker 5: That is the reality of a Tory government Prime minister.

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Speaker 3: He seems to be on his way to setting up

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Speaker 3: his own political party. He's very close to a group

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Speaker 3: of Muslim independents who won seats at the last election

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Speaker 3: in some key labor areas, so it could be a

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Speaker 3: kind of a socialist version of reform that's a threat

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Speaker 3: to him. But the polls would say that in the

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Speaker 3: labor heartlands the threat is not Jeremy Corbyn, it is

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Speaker 3: Nigel Farage, it is reform.

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Speaker 6: This just seems to be a total lack of comprehension

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Speaker 5: By the left wing standards of the BBC, I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's not pretty point.

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Speaker 3: Reform seems to have completely exterminated what life was left

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Speaker 3: in the Tories and it's a huge threat to cure Starmer.

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Speaker 3: So he will face a lot of pressure for within

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Speaker 3: the Labor Party to take a more Jeremy KORbin esque

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Speaker 4: But the Post still say that the threat is Nigel Farage.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's populism on the left, but really popularism

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Speaker 4: Is that what he's saying?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, He is a technocrat in a country that is

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Speaker 3: not interested in technocracy anymore.

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Speaker 4: It wants radical change.

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Speaker 3: That is what Nigel Farage and Jeremy Corbin in a

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Speaker 3: far less charismatic manner represent Do you know what clear

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Speaker 3: he really.

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Speaker 4: Has the Joe Briden problem.

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Speaker 3: I think Kir Starmer, which is that you can be

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Speaker 3: and competent, and so far his government has failed it.

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Speaker 4: Both.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, what are the lessons for Australia is labor

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Speaker 1: PM What does it tell us about Anthony Albanesi. There's

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Speaker 1: criticism here of Anthony Albanesi from the left and from

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Speaker 1: the right for not doing exactly what they want on

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Speaker 1: issues like, for example, Gaza, but generally he has been

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Speaker 1: extremely cautious on for example, issues like America. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's not doing what the Americans want. He's also not

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Speaker 1: doing exactly what the Chinese want on defense spending, for example,

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Speaker 1: does the Starmer example explain Anthony Alberanesi's behavior.

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Speaker 3: I think that Kier Starmer as an example of Anthony

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Speaker 3: Albanesi and what not to do. And an interview with

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Speaker 3: the Sunday Thames are Sister Masthead and Breton Kiir Starmer

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Speaker 3: said that one of the reasons he hasn't been able

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Speaker 3: to deal with these welfare reform rebellions among his own

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Speaker 3: Anthony Albinizi has been a lot more clever in making

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Speaker 3: green infrastructure, paid parental leaves for perrannuation. The other thing

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Speaker 3: that I think distinguishes Albanzi and Starmar is that Starmar's

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Speaker 3: not a politician.

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Speaker 4: Starmar was a lawyer. He acts like a lawyer, he

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Speaker 4: thinks like a lawyer at the end of the day. Clear.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how many barristers and doctors

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Speaker 3: you and I have seen come through Australian politics and

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Speaker 3: everybody thinks they'll be brilliant because they were a brilliant

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Speaker 3: barrister or doctor or whatever they did outside parliament and

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Speaker 3: then it turns out that they're a crummy politician. While

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Speaker 3: as Anthony Albanzi lives and breaths politics since the moment

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Speaker 3: he got out the womb, he is a politician first

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Speaker 3: and foremost. He knows how to work other politicians. Keir

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Speaker 3: Starmer doesn't know how to do that. He treats everything

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Speaker 3: like a brief in a case in front of the

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Speaker 3: High Court. Sometimes you need to know how to schmooze

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Speaker 3: united to negotiate, and that's not care Starmer's strength, while

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Speaker 3: he is Anthony Albineasy strength.

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