Speaker 1: I get a tiff, I'm good, a habs. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm very good.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 4: You were just guzzling your daily bloody intake in one
Speaker 4: hit of water.
Speaker 1: How do you drink a set amount of water per day?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm doing that thing where I'm drinking a
Speaker 3: lot of water.
Speaker 1: Right, good?
Speaker 3: Good? Three to over three leaders?
Speaker 1: Wow? And what's your weight?
Speaker 4: I know most people we can't ask this, but you
Speaker 4: don't give a fuck about sixty right?
Speaker 3: A sixty one?
Speaker 1: So sixty one three letters of water?
Speaker 2: I know there's sixty four you know when she's finished
Speaker 2: the three leaders?
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, and then in about half half
Speaker 3: an hour will be sixty three and a half again water.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm no expert, but water is important. I think
Speaker 4: I think a lot of your body.
Speaker 2: Is there a reason why you're drinking so much water, Tiff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing a seventy five hard challenge, and one
Speaker 3: if you do a bunch of things every single day
Speaker 3: for seventy five days, and one of those things is
Speaker 3: drinking a gallon of water, tell you what, I don't
Speaker 3: drink enough water generally, And you get really, it's distounded me.
Speaker 3: How quickly after a few I don't know, maybe a
Speaker 3: week how thirsty I got despite drinking a lot of water,
Speaker 3: because your body's like, oh you've got the message. Now
Speaker 3: what thirsty means.
Speaker 4: It seems weird to me to have a set amount
Speaker 4: of water, considering the variability of body weights and how
Speaker 4: much people sweat or don't sweat.
Speaker 2: It seems like you don't know what the challenge is.
Speaker 2: The challenge might be wear a clown hat one day
Speaker 2: and drink three liters of water another day. You don't
Speaker 2: know what it's all about.
Speaker 1: I do, Yeah, I do know what it's all about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean a lot of people are pretty
Speaker 4: regularly dehydrated, and there's some pretty serious consequences like brain function,
Speaker 4: cognitive function being one of them. You don't have to
Speaker 4: be too dehydrated for your IQ to drop, so that's
Speaker 4: a good reason to drink water.
Speaker 2: Tip you feel lack of sleep or key you a
Speaker 2: lot quicker than lack of water.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yah, lack of sleep booze?
Speaker 1: Do you well? Your brains whatever? Seventy percent water.
Speaker 4: Your blood's ninety percent water, So being dehydrated's going to
Speaker 4: give you a thicker blood, which ain't good.
Speaker 1: All that stuff.
Speaker 2: Sorry I interrupted you. You asked typical question.
Speaker 3: Well, the question is, am I have I been smarter?
Speaker 2: Harps?
Speaker 3: How clever have I been lately?
Speaker 1: So you you're fucking annoying?
Speaker 4: Annoying at the gym, can attitudy attitudy.
Speaker 1: She's the only person that says.
Speaker 4: She wants me to train her, and then I tell
Speaker 4: you tell her what to do and she doesn't want
Speaker 4: me to train.
Speaker 3: Her tell what to do.
Speaker 4: If you don't want me to tell you what to do,
Speaker 4: then don't fucking come to the gym where I'm going
Speaker 4: to tell you what to do.
Speaker 1: That's literally the situation, David.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've had a bit of a strength
Speaker 3: decline in recent well oh year, really, and Harps doesn't
Speaker 3: they ever take that in account? So sometimes when he
Speaker 3: tells me certain weights and reps to get to and
Speaker 3: they're hard, I'll get angry. Not at me. I get
Speaker 3: angry at him because I'm falling below expectations on what
Speaker 3: I could once lift. I get so angry, though, don't
Speaker 3: I or hungry? I have few emotions in the gym.
Speaker 4: Well, part of it's because you're thirty percent dude, and
Speaker 4: you may or may not be taking pestosterone.
Speaker 1: We're not sure yet. I don't say that.
Speaker 3: People believe that. Harps said that to me once, David
Speaker 3: perhaps once said when he first started training me three
Speaker 3: months in, when I ripped up a bit, he goes,
Speaker 3: if I didn't know you and I saw you in
Speaker 3: the gym, I'd think you were on the gear. And
Speaker 3: do you know how self conscious that made me?
Speaker 5: Or what.
Speaker 4: You don't understand is that's a fucking compliment. It's like, Also,
Speaker 4: you've got to remember, I come from a background of
Speaker 4: you know, I'm part from training proper athletes, and I
Speaker 4: don't mean that disrespectfully bodybuilders, but I mean athlete athletes
Speaker 4: who run and jump and lift.
Speaker 1: And shit and go to the Olympics.
Speaker 4: But I've also trained lots of bodybuilders, and most female
Speaker 4: bodybuilders who look like you, which is I mean, you're
Speaker 4: a fourty one year old woman who's muscular and lean
Speaker 4: and walking around just looks like an athlete. I mean
Speaker 4: you're a bit of a unicorn. And most women who
Speaker 4: look like you that I have met anyway that is strong, lean,
Speaker 4: all that kind of athletic, strong as fuck. They might
Speaker 4: have a little bit of something and a bolic on
Speaker 4: board That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You do realize that this tape is going to be
Speaker 2: wheeled out if she ever tries to go to the
Speaker 2: Olympics or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a Well she's a boxer and it is
Speaker 4: an Olympic sport, so yeah, that's a distinct possibility. Are
Speaker 4: you a big water drinker, Dave? Or do you just
Speaker 4: like do you actually drink water?
Speaker 1: Like? Do you have bottled water that you scoff through
Speaker 1: the day?
Speaker 2: No, because no, I drink anything. I drink, yeah, water,
Speaker 2: whatever's to hand when I'm thirsty. I don't intensionally go
Speaker 2: out of my way to drink vast quantities of water.
Speaker 2: Do you drink booze every now and then? If there's
Speaker 2: someone offer, what's your preference? It depends what the occasion is.
Speaker 2: You know, if people are drinking beer, I'll drink beer,
Speaker 2: and if they're drinking wine, I'll drink wine. And I
Speaker 2: probably won't drink spirits just because I don't like them much.
Speaker 1: Bobby Booth, tif, when was the last time you had alcohol?
Speaker 1: You have a wine, don't you? Or something? The old wine?
Speaker 3: Whenever? The last time when I hopped in my friend's
Speaker 3: brand new spa at the back of the place. We
Speaker 3: had a glass of wine. We had a bottle of wine.
Speaker 3: I don't drink a lot, though, so I'm a spirits
Speaker 3: or a wine. I'm a gin gin or brong.
Speaker 1: When I was about fifteen, I had some cake, I
Speaker 1: had a bit of rum in it. That's been my
Speaker 1: alcoholic highlight.
Speaker 2: That's about the same as my wife, Lizzie, which is
Speaker 2: why I don't drink much most of the time, because
Speaker 2: I'm in a household where they the other adult doesn't
Speaker 2: drink at all.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Lizzie.
Speaker 4: Now you sent me the worst segue ever, but you
Speaker 4: sent me nonetheless. A very interesting article about.
Speaker 1: The use of.
Speaker 4: Smartphones in the UK, and an organization called EE has
Speaker 4: recommended that kids under eleven should be given basically, what
Speaker 4: is a version of the old brick, the old motorola brick.
Speaker 4: That not that size, of course, but I call it
Speaker 4: a dumb phone, so not a smartphone. And I also
Speaker 4: read with bloody fascination that a quarter of five to
Speaker 4: seven year olds, I guess this is UK research own
Speaker 4: a smartphone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be higher than that. Here
Speaker 2: Australia tends to be on the leading edge of a
Speaker 2: lot of technology adoption, so it's probably higher than that here.
Speaker 2: First of all, who is EE Unless you're from the UK,
Speaker 2: you won't know who they are. Then, the biggest telco
Speaker 2: in the UK because mobile provider in the UK. They're
Speaker 2: owned by British Telecom. They used to be called that. Well,
Speaker 2: they're the result of a merger between Orange and the
Speaker 2: German teleco network T Mobile. So they've got I think
Speaker 2: twenty two million subscribers, so they're not number one. And
Speaker 2: they've come out and they've said we don't think our
Speaker 2: customers should be purchasing smartphones for our kids.
Speaker 1: That's quite a thing for an organized, a profit driven organization,
Speaker 1: sharehold driven, I would imagine. Are they a public company?
Speaker 2: Well there aren't, by British Telecom, so not really no,
Speaker 2: right so but still you know, money matters. And they've
Speaker 2: looked at the research and they've said we are concerned.
Speaker 2: We are concerned at giving these devices to children because
Speaker 2: the research is quite clearly saying that there's a problem
Speaker 2: giving these things to kids. And that backs up some
Speaker 2: stuff that's been coming out in the media here lately.
Speaker 2: So a few weeks ago, the Queensland Chief Health Officer
Speaker 2: said that really kids shouldn't be getting not just young kids,
Speaker 2: but teenagers as well, shouldn't be being allowed to have
Speaker 2: unfettered access to smartphones. And the reason he gave for
Speaker 2: that was the massive, significant, recent increase in mental illness
Speaker 2: in adolescents in Australia. It's more than doubled in the
Speaker 2: last ten years. You know, the stats are in now
Speaker 2: on this stuff. Now, when I wrote my book teen Brain,
Speaker 2: which I think came out about twenty fourteen, it was
Speaker 2: you know, I was looking back at the recent past
Speaker 2: three to four years ago and saying, well, you know,
Speaker 2: the iPad and the iPhone came out a few years ago.
Speaker 2: We're already starting to see the leading edge of problems
Speaker 2: in the US on this and this is going to
Speaker 2: be a big problem here. Well, now we've actually got
Speaker 2: the starts to back that up, and it is a
Speaker 2: big problem here. We are seeing anxiety, depression, ADHD, self harm,
Speaker 2: you know, all going through the roof like we've never
Speaker 2: ever ever seen before, and alarm bells are starting to
Speaker 2: ring to the point where you've got someone whose job
Speaker 2: really is to make money out of selling these things,
Speaker 2: you know, because that's how they make money. You can't
Speaker 2: use much data if the only thing you can do
Speaker 2: with the phone is is send a text, so you know,
Speaker 2: it's self sacrificing in a way to say no, no,
Speaker 2: don't buy devices that use data, which is how we
Speaker 2: make our money, because it's too dangerous for kids to have.
Speaker 1: I was fascinated that they did that because I was
Speaker 1: thinking that, Like with you, I'm like, they're literally it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's great because it seems like they're being ethically driven
Speaker 1: or morally driven, however you want to frame it.
Speaker 4: It's amazing. But yeah, also from a commercial point of view,
Speaker 4: shooting themselves in the foot. And I caught up with
Speaker 4: someone who used to work for me, who doesn't matter
Speaker 4: they used to work for me anyway, This person that
Speaker 4: used to work with me, we had a coffee today
Speaker 4: and they were telling me about one.
Speaker 1: Of their kids.
Speaker 4: So this person and their partner are separated, and one
Speaker 4: of their kids. They were talking about how the only
Speaker 4: issues that they have, the only time that this kid
Speaker 4: ever loses their shit is about the use of phone
Speaker 4: and tablet and access to internet. And the only way
Speaker 4: at times, not generally, but you know, at times, the
Speaker 4: only way they can get compliance is to restrict internet use,
Speaker 4: so to basically turn off the Internet for that kid.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's like everything else, perfect but absolute horrendous
Speaker 4: behavior when it comes to any kind of.
Speaker 1: Regulation or limitation.
Speaker 4: Of access to their you know, their phone or their
Speaker 4: iPad or whatever.
Speaker 2: And almost all of your listeners who are parents of
Speaker 2: teenage children would be able to tell you similar stories. Now,
Speaker 2: this is not like being teenagers of parent you know, sorry,
Speaker 2: parents are teenagers ten years ago because this didn't exist.
Speaker 2: You know, the first iPad entered Australia in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: So if you were a parent of a teen before
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, you don't know what I'm talking about here
Speaker 2: unless your kid was a drug addict. But parents today
Speaker 2: are experienced, almost all of them are experiencing exactly what
Speaker 2: you're talking about, which is these kids behave like addicts
Speaker 2: when you take the drugs away and they can't help it.
Speaker 2: They're addicted. They're addicted on purpose by the manufacturers of
Speaker 2: this software. And we would have a real problem with
Speaker 2: any company that said, look, what we want to do
Speaker 2: is we want to go into the schools and we
Speaker 2: want to give kids highly addictive substances with their lunch.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be allowing that to happen under any circumstances. So,
Speaker 2: you know, if we had the canteen dispensing vodka at lunchtime,
Speaker 2: or gin, if it was TIFF's canteen, and you.
Speaker 4: Know, protein bars was mine because I'm an excitement machine,
Speaker 4: chickens wreasts.
Speaker 2: So but that's effectively what we're doing, and it's worse
Speaker 2: than vodka at lunchtime because that's a one off hit.
Speaker 2: We're saying, put them on a drip of vodka all day,
Speaker 2: every day, and if they act out, if they behave badly,
Speaker 2: give them men fetamines to calm them down. That's what
Speaker 2: we're saying at the moment, and rather unsurprisingly, where really
Speaker 2: getting the results of that, which is a consequence of
Speaker 2: addiction is anxiety and depression, and that's why those rates
Speaker 2: have doubled in ten years. It's not a coincidence that
Speaker 2: those are the ten years when we've been giving kids
Speaker 2: highly addictive software to operate at will twenty four hours
Speaker 2: a day.
Speaker 4: So in a way, it's not just a kid behaving badly,
Speaker 4: is it at all?
Speaker 2: Given it's not a kid, it's not even a kid
Speaker 2: behaving badly. Yes, yes, it's an addict, and the kid
Speaker 2: has no more control over that than any other addict,
Speaker 2: and the only way to stop it is to break
Speaker 2: the addiction. And we're getting to a point where almost
Speaker 2: everybody in society is going to be severely addicted and
Speaker 2: we are not going to enjoy the society that that's
Speaker 2: part of that. That is because alongside these things, alongside
Speaker 2: the anxiety and depression, we see massive drops in impulse control,
Speaker 2: have increases in violence like assaults, domestic violence, et cetera.
Speaker 2: They're all the consequences. It's exactly the same as if
Speaker 2: everybody was a crackhead. Imagine living in a society where
Speaker 2: everybody's a crackhead. That's what we're traveling towards at high speed.
Speaker 1: Yes, what's the and I know there's no three step plan,
Speaker 1: but what's the what's the beginning of the plan? And
Speaker 1: I know it's because also you think a lot of kids,
Speaker 1: and that's what this person was talking to me about today.
Speaker 1: Then they go to school and they do a lot
Speaker 1: of their stuff on pads or iPads or similar like
Speaker 1: their school work, and they have internet access at school.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's any way that that's regulated
Speaker 4: but you know they go to.
Speaker 2: St it's heavily regulated. But the problem is every second
Speaker 2: kid can hot spot you, so you know, you know,
Speaker 2: while the schools stand there and say, oh, we control
Speaker 2: our networks and now they won't be accessing this stuff
Speaker 2: over our network, who cares if if they block access
Speaker 2: over their network, then the kids will just hotspot it.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And for the grandparents listening, that means that
Speaker 4: they can. Essentially I could get I could use TIFF's
Speaker 4: Internet from her phone if I don't have Internet access
Speaker 4: on my phone, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, if you're using a school iPad, for example,
Speaker 2: and you're not and the school network stops you getting
Speaker 2: to Instagram, then you can say to Tiff, can you
Speaker 2: just hotspot me? She'll turn on a Wi Fi access
Speaker 2: point on her phone, which every phone can do, and
Speaker 2: then you can access the Internet via her phone and
Speaker 2: there you go. Bob's your uncle. You're onto Instagram at school.
Speaker 1: When did you get your first phone, your first mobile phone?
Speaker 1: Do you remember what year and do you remember what
Speaker 1: it was?
Speaker 2: I do remember it. I remember it very starkly because
Speaker 2: of the circumstance it happened in. So this was in
Speaker 2: the late nineteen nineties, mid nineteen nineties, ninety five, ninety six,
Speaker 2: something like that. I was working for a large law
Speaker 2: firm and phones were starting to be you'll probably remember
Speaker 2: this crag starting to be a bit of a something
Speaker 2: people wanted to have. You know, they cost thousands of
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of dollars, but if you had one,
Speaker 2: well you must be special anyway. So I was working
Speaker 2: for this firm and the partner calls me in and
Speaker 2: he says, oh, I've got your phone now. The firm's
Speaker 2: brought to your phone, you know, so that and I said, well,
Speaker 2: why do I need a phone. I'm here during the
Speaker 2: day and when I'm at home, I don't want to
Speaker 2: talk to you.
Speaker 1: So you haven't changed. It's good to know you've always
Speaker 1: been a prick. I like that. I'm glad you just
Speaker 1: don't turn it on for me.
Speaker 2: And he said, well, but I might need to contact you.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, fine, well you can wait till
Speaker 2: the next day and talk to me when I come
Speaker 2: into work. So I handed him his phone back.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious, did you guys? Thanks? But no thanks. I better.
Speaker 1: I bet every other.
Speaker 4: Person in that organization their eyes would have lit up
Speaker 4: like Christmas trees when they got the same opportunity.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well a lot of people did take the
Speaker 2: phones and I thought they were insane. I thought, what
Speaker 2: on earth do you want your boss to be able
Speaker 2: to ring you when you're not at work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's an issue. Now.
Speaker 4: That's been a very topical conversation recently in Melbourne. Has
Speaker 4: that been all over Australia that conversation or just in Melbourne.
Speaker 3: TIV I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: It's definitely they've been talking about that a lot in Melbourne,
Speaker 4: about bosses not being able to call employees outside of workouts.
Speaker 2: That I think. I think there's a lot of leg
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of exceptions in that legislation.
Speaker 2: I think you have to read it pretty carefully. I
Speaker 2: think it pretty muchlies, you know, to to you know,
Speaker 2: the lowest tier of an organization that you can probably
Speaker 2: start enforcing stuff like that. But the further up you go,
Speaker 2: you know, it starts to be things like, oh, well
Speaker 2: you've got to take account of your responsibilities and the
Speaker 2: fact're on a salary and blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and it ends up being not much of anything at all.
Speaker 4: Picked the lawyer and the conversation TIF ready Ready said,
Speaker 4: listen to.
Speaker 3: You to run your eyes over the Pea contract.
Speaker 4: You might have to get him to write it first.
Speaker 4: You might have to get him to create it. Just
Speaker 4: reminds me of Sheldon Cooper, which nobody do you never
Speaker 4: watch The Big Bang Theory TIF to you?
Speaker 3: I have occasionally.
Speaker 2: Every now and then.
Speaker 4: The roommate agreement Sheldon's got a million different agreements.
Speaker 2: Were seventeen paragraph.
Speaker 1: Do you know what?
Speaker 4: Speaking of TV? On your recommendation? And I know we're
Speaker 4: fucking but what's new you? Yeah, like a dog with
Speaker 4: three dicks, But we'll come back on track very soon.
Speaker 4: David would never use that, but I do. Everyone. You're welcome.
Speaker 4: You recommended a show to me. Now, this is an
Speaker 4: indictment on me, But I don't want much watch much Telly,
Speaker 4: like mainstream Telly. But I'll get in bed every night
Speaker 4: at stupid o'clock and watch an episode of something, which
Speaker 4: I know you're not meant to do, but I sleep
Speaker 4: like a champion anyway.
Speaker 1: Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 4: I think you recommended that to me either two weeks
Speaker 4: or four weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: And I'm both proud and embarrassed to say that I think.
Speaker 4: Last night I watched episode nineteen of the first season.
Speaker 4: There's twenty two. There's twenty two episodes in the first season.
Speaker 4: And the reason that you pointed that out to me,
Speaker 4: which obviously I went in a cognizant of that thing
Speaker 4: that you highlighted, was that the first series starts in
Speaker 4: two thousand and six and spills into two thousand and seven,
Speaker 4: So it starts like eighteen years ago when it was filmed,
Speaker 4: and it's set in a school with all these or
Speaker 4: in a town with a lot of young people and
Speaker 4: a football team and school and blah blah blah. But yeah,
Speaker 4: nobody's there are no smartphones, and the language is different,
Speaker 4: and the way that kids socialize and interact is different.
Speaker 4: And I know that it goes for five or six
Speaker 4: or seven seasons and that changes towards.
Speaker 1: The end of the thing. But yeah, it's like, firstly,
Speaker 1: thank you, because you've got me addicted to that. So
Speaker 1: not really.
Speaker 4: Now I'm watching teenage romance like a fucking idiot. I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1: No, don't do that, don't do that. Oh I wonder
Speaker 1: if they'll get back together. I'm a fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I know that's why you're sticking with it.
Speaker 2: But the reason I recommended it was exactly that is,
Speaker 2: it's like a sort of time capsule. It is, it's
Speaker 2: set over a period. But that turned out to be
Speaker 2: critically important to the way teenagers interact with each other.
Speaker 2: And we're going to be able to look back on this,
Speaker 2: and even today, a teenager looking back at that show
Speaker 2: will we'll think it's a totally foreign concept. As you say,
Speaker 2: the way they interact with each other. You know. So
Speaker 2: there's a scene in the gym somewhere in there where
Speaker 2: the football team comes out, I think this is in
Speaker 2: the first season and they start, you know, they're dressed
Speaker 2: as girls or something like that, and start dancing around
Speaker 2: and they pan across the stadium at all the other
Speaker 2: kids watching it, and you're so used to these days
Speaker 2: in a scene like that, everyone would have their phone out,
Speaker 2: everyone would be filming these football players dressed as girls,
Speaker 2: and not a single one as there. They're just cheering it,
Speaker 2: they're living it. They're part of the moment, and it's
Speaker 2: a real contrast to today. And as the show goes on,
Speaker 2: as you get towards the end of it, I think
Speaker 2: series five or something is the end of it. There
Speaker 2: are starting to be smartphones and you can see how
Speaker 2: it changes even the interactions in the show.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like and that's I watched this thing the
Speaker 1: other day.
Speaker 4: We're digressing, but fuck it, we don't need to follow
Speaker 4: an agenda. Chris Hemsworth, he does this series where tif
Speaker 4: you've seen some that, haven't you, where he does these
Speaker 4: challenges and one of the challenges that he set for
Speaker 4: himself was to learn drums and he ended up playing
Speaker 4: drums back up drums for Ed Sheeran in front of
Speaker 4: seventy thousand people, right, So he trained for months and
Speaker 4: clearly he's not the best drummer in the world, but
Speaker 4: he trained himself to be competent enough to play and
Speaker 4: get away with it. But what was funny was, you know,
Speaker 4: they were talking about that and Chris Hemsworth on stage
Speaker 4: and then Ed Sheeran brought him out from behind the
Speaker 4: drums and said, hey, everyone, this guy's been playing drums
Speaker 4: for the last four songs and he killed it. And
Speaker 4: everyone's like ah, And all you saw was like seventy
Speaker 4: thousand fucking phones in the air, like nobody's actually watching
Speaker 4: in real time.
Speaker 1: Everybody's filming yeah, and it's just like, oh yeah, this
Speaker 1: is yeah. You just see what looks like one million
Speaker 1: lights out in the audience, which is essentially everybody's you know,
Speaker 1: phone filming. This like we're so preoccupied with catching stuff
Speaker 1: on camera, that's like we miss it in the moment.
Speaker 2: I know you intended to do this, Craig, but in
Speaker 2: your Grandpa rant there, you've actually happened across. One of
Speaker 2: the solutions to phone addiction.
Speaker 1: I meant it, I completely meant it.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, which is focus on something to be good
Speaker 2: enough to play drums with Ed Sharant. Now, the amount
Speaker 2: of focus required for Chris to get good enough yes
Speaker 2: to play drums for Ed Sharant and not be a
Speaker 2: mess yes is absolutely addiction breaking. So the answer to
Speaker 2: the question you asked me earlier on which is what
Speaker 2: do you do about it? How do you get kids
Speaker 2: out of this addiction? How do you get them out
Speaker 2: of this state? Is find something they're interested in and
Speaker 2: drive them to be focused on it until they are
Speaker 2: in the flow of doing that thing, and then they
Speaker 2: won't even remember they had an iPad let alone that
Speaker 2: they were addicted to it.
Speaker 1: Mmmmm, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: Well, one of my friends, she's got a twelve.
Speaker 1: Year how old I am.
Speaker 4: She's got a twelve year old granddaughter who's just a
Speaker 4: superstar athlete who trains all the time, represents the state
Speaker 4: in footy and basketball.
Speaker 1: Her name is Indy. Shout out to Indy.
Speaker 4: And yeah, like her life is so busy with school
Speaker 4: and sport and that none of these very typical things
Speaker 4: are an issue for her. But that's because I guess,
Speaker 4: like you're saying, her energy and her focus is somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Well, she's getting a high somewhere else. So you know,
Speaker 2: runners high is a real thing. When you exercise intensely,
Speaker 2: your body generates endorphins, and doorphins are endogenous morphines, you know,
Speaker 2: that's the uncontracted version of that. So your body creates morphine,
Speaker 2: which is on an addictive drug. And so when you
Speaker 2: do intense exercise, you get a hit of endorphins, which
Speaker 2: is why runners become addicted to it. It's why people
Speaker 2: become addicted to exercise. It's why Tiff can't walk past
Speaker 2: a gym on a day when she's supposed to be
Speaker 2: in the gym. You know, it's an addiction and it's
Speaker 2: a real addiction, and people give it a free pass
Speaker 2: because well, the side effects of that addiction aren't so bad.
Speaker 2: But when the side effects of an addiction are that
Speaker 2: it just gets worse and worse and worse, which is
Speaker 2: what happens with your more classic addiction like gambling or
Speaker 2: gaming or drugs, is that you destroy the rest of
Speaker 2: your life.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Now it's possible to do that with a health addiction too.
Speaker 2: It's possible to be so obsessed with running, so obsessed
Speaker 2: with working out, that the rest of your life goes
Speaker 2: to shit.
Speaker 1: I've had it.
Speaker 4: I've had it. There's a thing called athletic and nevosa.
Speaker 4: So when I was a kid, I was fat kid,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. Then I started running, and I went
Speaker 4: from being the adest kid to being the fittest kid
Speaker 4: or one of the fittest kids in my school. Not
Speaker 4: because I was talented or anything, but just because I was,
Speaker 4: you know, fifty percent crazy and fifty percent discipline. But
Speaker 4: I lost thirty odd kilos. I went from never running
Speaker 4: to running all the time. And you know, I did
Speaker 4: push ups and sit ups and chin ups every day,
Speaker 4: and I went from being out of shape to in shape.
Speaker 4: But that state of being fit and strong and not
Speaker 4: fat anymore, and not socially isolated anymore, and not picked
Speaker 4: last for teams anymore.
Speaker 1: Now I'm picked first, or now I'm picked in the
Speaker 1: first few anyway, and now I'm not socially invisible, and
Speaker 1: now good things are happening. Right, So you have this association. Well, fuck,
Speaker 1: if I look good, then all this good stuff happens.
Speaker 2: So I ad ad a biochemical level, I know you're
Speaker 2: going to give us some psychological blood.
Speaker 1: No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 2: At a biochemical level, what's going on there is that
Speaker 2: positive feedback from your peer group generates oxytocin. And and
Speaker 2: don't mean hit.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I agree with you. I'm not even
Speaker 1: going to psycho babbel it for you.
Speaker 4: But what I was going to say was I played
Speaker 4: a game of footy and I fucked my ankle really
Speaker 4: badly and I couldn't run. Now that's like saying to
Speaker 4: a heroin addict, well just go off heroin for a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks, right, And I'm like, well, that's because
Speaker 4: I ran every day. It wouldn't matter. Wouldn't matter, Like
Speaker 4: I ran three hundred and sixty five days of the
Speaker 4: year for years, right, it wouldn't matter, There's no reason
Speaker 4: I wouldn't run. And I couldn't even put my foot flat,
Speaker 4: and I snuck out of my I couldn't even walk right,
Speaker 4: and I snuck out of my bedroom window.
Speaker 1: This is how stupid I was because I needed to run.
Speaker 1: I was about.
Speaker 4: Fifteen or sixteen, and I thought, I know it's going
Speaker 4: to hurt, but I'm just going to run a few
Speaker 4: k's and just deal with the pain. And it was
Speaker 4: so excruciating I couldn't, like it was just agony, and
Speaker 4: I literally couldn't. And while I was walking back to
Speaker 4: my house dejectedly at ten o'clock at night in Latro Valley,
Speaker 4: I put my foot in the gutter. And what that
Speaker 4: did was kind of super my foot, which made it
Speaker 4: turn my foot out like my So I was leaning
Speaker 4: on the outside of my ankle, rolling in as pronation
Speaker 4: out as supernation. But when I had my foot in
Speaker 4: that position, it took away about eighty percent of the pain.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so when I.
Speaker 4: Got in a certain position. So I spent the next
Speaker 4: couple of weeks sneaking out the window at night running
Speaker 4: with one foot in the gutter. That's how crazy I was,
Speaker 4: and it's like I didn't feel good until I've done it.
Speaker 4: I was completely addicted, completely, and and that.
Speaker 2: Just shows it it's possible to beat him. By the way.
Speaker 2: Sure we'll fun fact I saw during the week. So
Speaker 2: the how you know chili peppers, how they taste hot?
Speaker 4: And you heard it here first, folks, that's you're welcome,
Speaker 4: David Gillespie.
Speaker 1: Mate, there's our fucking there's our video grab. You're welcomed to.
Speaker 1: Of all the shit you've said, that probably the dumbest,
Speaker 1: but you're welcome.
Speaker 2: So do you know why they taste hot?
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, I it's got whatever that stuff is.
Speaker 2: Capt that stuff. Yes, there's a chemical in chilies, But
Speaker 2: how it makes it taste hot is it interacts with
Speaker 2: our nerves to actually simulate genuine heat, so our brain
Speaker 2: thinks we are genuinely on fire. So it's not similar
Speaker 2: to being on fire as far as our brain's concerned.
Speaker 2: We are, which is why people break out in a
Speaker 2: sweat and so on when they consume really really hot chilies.
Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about that is that it has
Speaker 2: the same effect on dopamine as actually being burnt, so
Speaker 2: you actually get a dopamine stimulus from consuming a hot
Speaker 2: chili in the same way you would from cutting yourself
Speaker 2: or inflicting pain in any way, because pain generates an
Speaker 2: indorphan response. So instead of going for that marathon run,
Speaker 2: you could just chow down on a bowl of really
Speaker 2: hot chili and you would get that same dopamine response. Wow.
Speaker 4: Hey, here's something for our listeners and for you that
Speaker 4: you might not even know about.
Speaker 1: So there's a show on YouTube called hot Ones. Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of it?
Speaker 4: No, So the point of the show, which you would think,
Speaker 4: this is fucking ridiculous, it's never going to take off, Tiff,
Speaker 4: just google that, right, In fact, google Ryan Reynolds and
Speaker 4: Hugh Jackman hot Ones. They were on about four weeks ago.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it now. Twenty seven million people have
Speaker 4: watched their episode. So what they do, David, is they
Speaker 4: get famous people on this dude and they give them
Speaker 4: a bit of meat for whatever it is, and it
Speaker 4: will have a progressively hotter and hotter source. It gets
Speaker 4: to the point where like this one will kill you.
Speaker 4: And they just started I don't know, level one, and
Speaker 4: they go up to level fifteen out of ten. But yeah,
Speaker 4: and the whole point of the show is to see
Speaker 4: how hot people can go. And it's funny because you
Speaker 4: get these like often an alpha male who's like, fuck this,
Speaker 4: I've got this, and they're in tears, They've got snot
Speaker 4: coming down their face, their face starts to swell and
Speaker 4: goes red, their tongue swells, they can't talk, and it's
Speaker 4: it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Everyone have a look. It's called hot ones and
Speaker 1: have a look at them. I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 1: Have a look at Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman. It
Speaker 1: came out a month ago.
Speaker 2: You know I was in a movie once with Hugh Jackman.
Speaker 1: You were in a movie?
Speaker 4: Yeah, hell so I would have been more respectful, No,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't movie.
Speaker 1: What movie?
Speaker 2: When? When Sweet Poison first came out, there was a
Speaker 2: movie made of the movie version of the book was
Speaker 2: made by a local austrain actor, Damon Gamo and he
Speaker 2: Madman Films I think produced it, etc. I think to
Speaker 2: this day it's still the highest grossing nonfiction documentary type
Speaker 2: film ever made in Australia. And Hugh Jackman did a
Speaker 2: cameo in the film to promote not eating sugar.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So if you ever want to see that you'll find it.
Speaker 2: What is the name of the film, sweet something or other?
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but anyway, it's yeah, so yeah. So
Speaker 2: my claim to fame there as I was in a
Speaker 2: movie with Hugh Jackman. I didn't actually get to meet him, right,
Speaker 2: we're in the same movie together.
Speaker 5: Well, my claim to fame is I was doing an
Speaker 5: online seminar and they had like twenty people from around
Speaker 5: the world, like it was a conference, and Deepak Chopra
Speaker 5: was one of the speakers, and him and I were
Speaker 5: next to each other on the card It's got luck
Speaker 5: Wow pack and then Fatty Harps from fucking Latro Valley
Speaker 5: just right next to him. I took about thirty two
Speaker 5: screenshots so that went, look who I'm presenting with That
Speaker 5: we didn't we weren't even on the same continent, but made.
Speaker 4: Me feel good. All right, let's wrap this up. So
Speaker 4: how do we put a little how do we put
Speaker 4: a little ribbon on this? Is there any gold that
Speaker 4: you want to share regarding this?
Speaker 2: Look? To me, I think it's it's a really important
Speaker 2: step forward that you've got a major telcode in the
Speaker 2: world and the UK saying do not buy our product
Speaker 2: because it is dangerous for children. I think that's a
Speaker 2: really interesting point. We've reached here where someone who stands
Speaker 2: to make real money out of selling this product is saying,
Speaker 2: don't buy it if it's going to be given to
Speaker 2: a child, and that should be taken as the warning
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing. I think good on them, like
Speaker 1: good on them for doing that, because they're not doing
Speaker 1: themselves a favor. They're doing themselves commercially a disservice. But
Speaker 1: it seems like they're doing the right thing. Mate, say,
Speaker 1: we'll say goodbye here, but as always, are you famous bastard?
Speaker 1: You and Hugh Jackman, Yeah and you yeah, yeah yeah
Speaker 1: in the pod. That's all right, Thanks Tiff, Thanks guys,