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Speaker 1: I get a tiff, I'm good, a habs. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: You were just guzzling your daily bloody intake in one

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Speaker 4: hit of water.

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Speaker 1: How do you drink a set amount of water per day?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm doing that thing where I'm drinking a

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Speaker 3: lot of water.

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Speaker 1: Right, good?

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Speaker 3: Good? Three to over three leaders?

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Speaker 1: Wow? And what's your weight?

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Speaker 4: I know most people we can't ask this, but you

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Speaker 4: don't give a fuck about sixty right?

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Speaker 3: A sixty one?

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Speaker 1: So sixty one three letters of water?

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Speaker 2: I know there's sixty four you know when she's finished

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Speaker 2: the three leaders?

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Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, and then in about half half

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Speaker 3: an hour will be sixty three and a half again water.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm no expert, but water is important. I think

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of your body.

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Speaker 2: Is there a reason why you're drinking so much water, Tiff?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing a seventy five hard challenge, and one

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Speaker 3: if you do a bunch of things every single day

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Speaker 3: for seventy five days, and one of those things is

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Speaker 3: drinking a gallon of water, tell you what, I don't

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Speaker 3: drink enough water generally, And you get really, it's distounded me.

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Speaker 3: How quickly after a few I don't know, maybe a

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Speaker 3: week how thirsty I got despite drinking a lot of water,

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Speaker 3: because your body's like, oh you've got the message. Now

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Speaker 3: what thirsty means.

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Speaker 4: It seems weird to me to have a set amount

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Speaker 4: of water, considering the variability of body weights and how

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Speaker 4: much people sweat or don't sweat.

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Speaker 2: It seems like you don't know what the challenge is.

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Speaker 2: The challenge might be wear a clown hat one day

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Speaker 2: and drink three liters of water another day. You don't

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Speaker 2: know what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: I do, Yeah, I do know what it's all about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean a lot of people are pretty

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Speaker 4: regularly dehydrated, and there's some pretty serious consequences like brain function,

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Speaker 4: cognitive function being one of them. You don't have to

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Speaker 4: be too dehydrated for your IQ to drop, so that's

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Speaker 4: a good reason to drink water.

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Speaker 2: Tip you feel lack of sleep or key you a

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Speaker 2: lot quicker than lack of water.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yah, lack of sleep booze?

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Speaker 1: Do you well? Your brains whatever? Seventy percent water.

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Speaker 4: Your blood's ninety percent water, So being dehydrated's going to

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Speaker 4: give you a thicker blood, which ain't good.

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Speaker 1: All that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Sorry I interrupted you. You asked typical question.

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Speaker 3: Well, the question is, am I have I been smarter?

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Speaker 2: Harps?

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Speaker 3: How clever have I been lately?

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Speaker 1: So you you're fucking annoying?

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Speaker 4: Annoying at the gym, can attitudy attitudy.

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Speaker 1: She's the only person that says.

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Speaker 4: She wants me to train her, and then I tell

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Speaker 4: you tell her what to do and she doesn't want

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Speaker 3: Her tell what to do.

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Speaker 4: If you don't want me to tell you what to do,

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Speaker 4: then don't fucking come to the gym where I'm going

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Speaker 1: That's literally the situation, David.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've had a bit of a strength

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Speaker 3: decline in recent well oh year, really, and Harps doesn't

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Speaker 3: they ever take that in account? So sometimes when he

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Speaker 3: tells me certain weights and reps to get to and

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Speaker 3: they're hard, I'll get angry. Not at me. I get

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Speaker 3: angry at him because I'm falling below expectations on what

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Speaker 3: I could once lift. I get so angry, though, don't

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Speaker 3: I or hungry? I have few emotions in the gym.

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Speaker 4: Well, part of it's because you're thirty percent dude, and

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Speaker 4: you may or may not be taking pestosterone.

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Speaker 1: We're not sure yet. I don't say that.

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Speaker 3: People believe that. Harps said that to me once, David

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Speaker 3: perhaps once said when he first started training me three

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Speaker 3: months in, when I ripped up a bit, he goes,

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Speaker 3: if I didn't know you and I saw you in

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Speaker 3: do you know how self conscious that made me?

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Speaker 5: Or what.

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Speaker 4: You don't understand is that's a fucking compliment. It's like, Also,

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Speaker 4: you've got to remember, I come from a background of

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Speaker 4: don't mean that disrespectfully bodybuilders, but I mean athlete athletes

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Speaker 1: And shit and go to the Olympics.

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Speaker 4: But I've also trained lots of bodybuilders, and most female

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Speaker 4: bodybuilders who look like you, which is I mean, you're

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Speaker 4: a fourty one year old woman who's muscular and lean

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Speaker 4: look like you that I have met anyway that is strong, lean,

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Speaker 4: all that kind of athletic, strong as fuck. They might

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Speaker 2: You do realize that this tape is going to be

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Speaker 2: Olympics or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a Well she's a boxer and it is

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Speaker 4: an Olympic sport, so yeah, that's a distinct possibility. Are

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Speaker 4: you a big water drinker, Dave? Or do you just

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Speaker 4: like do you actually drink water?

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Speaker 1: Like? Do you have bottled water that you scoff through

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Speaker 2: No, because no, I drink anything. I drink, yeah, water,

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Speaker 2: whatever's to hand when I'm thirsty. I don't intensionally go

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Speaker 2: Do you drink booze every now and then? If there's

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Speaker 2: someone offer, what's your preference? It depends what the occasion is.

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Speaker 2: You know, if people are drinking beer, I'll drink beer,

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Speaker 2: probably won't drink spirits just because I don't like them much.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Booth, tif, when was the last time you had alcohol?

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Speaker 1: You have a wine, don't you? Or something? The old wine?

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Speaker 3: Whenever? The last time when I hopped in my friend's

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Speaker 1: When I was about fifteen, I had some cake, I

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Speaker 2: That's about the same as my wife, Lizzie, which is

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Speaker 4: Now you sent me the worst segue ever, but you

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Speaker 1: The use of.

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Speaker 4: Smartphones in the UK, and an organization called EE has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be higher than that. Here

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Speaker 1: That's quite a thing for an organized, a profit driven organization,

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Speaker 1: I was fascinated that they did that because I was

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Speaker 1: thinking that, Like with you, I'm like, they're literally it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's great because it seems like they're being ethically driven

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Speaker 1: Of their kids.

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Speaker 4: So this person and their partner are separated, and one

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it's like everything else, perfect but absolute horrendous

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Speaker 1: Regulation or limitation.

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Speaker 4: Of access to their you know, their phone or their

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Speaker 2: And almost all of your listeners who are parents of

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Speaker 2: this is not like being teenagers of parent you know, sorry,

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Speaker 2: parents are teenagers ten years ago because this didn't exist.

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Speaker 2: So but that's effectively what we're doing, and it's worse

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Speaker 1: When did you get your first phone, your first mobile phone?

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Speaker 1: So you haven't changed. It's good to know you've always

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Speaker 2: And he said, well, but I might need to contact you.

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious, did you guys? Thanks? But no thanks. I better.

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Speaker 4: Person in that organization their eyes would have lit up

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Speaker 3: You to run your eyes over the Pea contract.

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Speaker 4: You might have to get him to write it first.

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Speaker 4: You might have to get him to create it. Just

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Speaker 4: reminds me of Sheldon Cooper, which nobody do you never

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Speaker 4: The roommate agreement Sheldon's got a million different agreements.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what?

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Speaker 4: Speaking of TV? On your recommendation? And I know we're

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Speaker 4: fucking but what's new you? Yeah, like a dog with

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Speaker 4: David would never use that, but I do. Everyone. You're welcome.

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Speaker 4: You recommended a show to me. Now, this is an

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Speaker 1: Friday Night Lights.

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Speaker 4: I think you recommended that to me either two weeks

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Speaker 4: And I'm both proud and embarrassed to say that I think.

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Speaker 4: Last night I watched episode nineteen of the first season.

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Speaker 4: There's twenty two. There's twenty two episodes in the first season.

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Speaker 4: So it starts like eighteen years ago when it was filmed,

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Speaker 4: Now I'm watching teenage romance like a fucking idiot. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: No, don't do that, don't do that. Oh I wonder

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I know that's why you're sticking with it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's like and that's I watched this thing the

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Speaker 4: We're digressing, but fuck it, we don't need to follow

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Speaker 1: Everybody's filming yeah, and it's just like, oh yeah, this

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Speaker 2: I know you intended to do this, Craig, but in

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Speaker 1: I meant it, I completely meant it.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, which is focus on something to be good

440
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Speaker 2: enough to play drums with Ed Sharant. Now, the amount

441
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Speaker 2: of focus required for Chris to get good enough yes

442
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Speaker 2: to play drums for Ed Sharant and not be a

443
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 2: mess yes is absolutely addiction breaking. So the answer to

444
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Speaker 2: the question you asked me earlier on which is what

445
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Speaker 2: do you do about it? How do you get kids

446
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: out of this addiction? How do you get them out

447
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,239
Speaker 2: of this state? Is find something they're interested in and

448
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: drive them to be focused on it until they are

449
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Speaker 2: in the flow of doing that thing, and then they

450
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: won't even remember they had an iPad let alone that

451
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Speaker 2: they were addicted to it.

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Speaker 1: Mmmmm, yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 4: Well, one of my friends, she's got a twelve.

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Speaker 1: Year how old I am.

455
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Speaker 4: She's got a twelve year old granddaughter who's just a

456
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Speaker 4: superstar athlete who trains all the time, represents the state

457
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Speaker 4: in footy and basketball.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Indy. Shout out to Indy.

459
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Speaker 4: And yeah, like her life is so busy with school

460
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Speaker 4: and sport and that none of these very typical things

461
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Speaker 4: are an issue for her. But that's because I guess,

462
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Speaker 4: like you're saying, her energy and her focus is somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: Well, she's getting a high somewhere else. So you know,

464
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Speaker 2: runners high is a real thing. When you exercise intensely,

465
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Speaker 2: your body generates endorphins, and doorphins are endogenous morphines, you know,

466
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Speaker 2: that's the uncontracted version of that. So your body creates morphine,

467
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Speaker 2: which is on an addictive drug. And so when you

468
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Speaker 2: do intense exercise, you get a hit of endorphins, which

469
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Speaker 2: is why runners become addicted to it. It's why people

470
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Speaker 2: become addicted to exercise. It's why Tiff can't walk past

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Speaker 2: a gym on a day when she's supposed to be

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Speaker 2: in the gym. You know, it's an addiction and it's

473
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Speaker 2: a real addiction, and people give it a free pass

474
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Speaker 2: because well, the side effects of that addiction aren't so bad.

475
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Speaker 2: But when the side effects of an addiction are that

476
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Speaker 2: it just gets worse and worse and worse, which is

477
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Speaker 2: what happens with your more classic addiction like gambling or

478
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Speaker 2: gaming or drugs, is that you destroy the rest of

479
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Speaker 2: your life.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Now it's possible to do that with a health addiction too.

482
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Speaker 2: It's possible to be so obsessed with running, so obsessed

483
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Speaker 2: with working out, that the rest of your life goes

484
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Speaker 2: to shit.

485
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Speaker 1: I've had it.

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Speaker 4: I've had it. There's a thing called athletic and nevosa.

487
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Speaker 4: So when I was a kid, I was fat kid,

488
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Speaker 4: blah blah blah. Then I started running, and I went

489
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Speaker 4: from being the adest kid to being the fittest kid

490
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Speaker 4: or one of the fittest kids in my school. Not

491
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Speaker 4: because I was talented or anything, but just because I was,

492
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Speaker 4: you know, fifty percent crazy and fifty percent discipline. But

493
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Speaker 4: I lost thirty odd kilos. I went from never running

494
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Speaker 4: to running all the time. And you know, I did

495
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Speaker 4: push ups and sit ups and chin ups every day,

496
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Speaker 4: and I went from being out of shape to in shape.

497
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Speaker 4: But that state of being fit and strong and not

498
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Speaker 4: fat anymore, and not socially isolated anymore, and not picked

499
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Speaker 4: last for teams anymore.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm picked first, or now I'm picked in the

501
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Speaker 1: first few anyway, and now I'm not socially invisible, and

502
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: now good things are happening. Right, So you have this association. Well, fuck,

503
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Speaker 1: if I look good, then all this good stuff happens.

504
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Speaker 2: So I ad ad a biochemical level, I know you're

505
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Speaker 2: going to give us some psychological blood.

506
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Speaker 1: No, not at all, not at all.

507
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Speaker 2: At a biochemical level, what's going on there is that

508
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Speaker 2: positive feedback from your peer group generates oxytocin. And and

509
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Speaker 2: don't mean hit.

510
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I agree with you. I'm not even

511
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Speaker 1: going to psycho babbel it for you.

512
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Speaker 4: But what I was going to say was I played

513
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Speaker 4: a game of footy and I fucked my ankle really

514
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Speaker 4: badly and I couldn't run. Now that's like saying to

515
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Speaker 4: a heroin addict, well just go off heroin for a

516
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: couple of weeks, right, And I'm like, well, that's because

517
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Speaker 4: I ran every day. It wouldn't matter. Wouldn't matter, Like

518
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Speaker 4: I ran three hundred and sixty five days of the

519
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 4: year for years, right, it wouldn't matter, There's no reason

520
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: I wouldn't run. And I couldn't even put my foot flat,

521
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Speaker 4: and I snuck out of my I couldn't even walk right,

522
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Speaker 4: and I snuck out of my bedroom window.

523
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Speaker 1: This is how stupid I was because I needed to run.

524
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Speaker 1: I was about.

525
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Speaker 4: Fifteen or sixteen, and I thought, I know it's going

526
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Speaker 4: to hurt, but I'm just going to run a few

527
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Speaker 4: k's and just deal with the pain. And it was

528
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Speaker 4: so excruciating I couldn't, like it was just agony, and

529
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 4: I literally couldn't. And while I was walking back to

530
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Speaker 4: my house dejectedly at ten o'clock at night in Latro Valley,

531
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Speaker 4: I put my foot in the gutter. And what that

532
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Speaker 4: did was kind of super my foot, which made it

533
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Speaker 4: turn my foot out like my So I was leaning

534
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Speaker 4: on the outside of my ankle, rolling in as pronation

535
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 4: out as supernation. But when I had my foot in

536
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Speaker 4: that position, it took away about eighty percent of the pain.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so when I.

538
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: Got in a certain position. So I spent the next

539
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Speaker 4: couple of weeks sneaking out the window at night running

540
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Speaker 4: with one foot in the gutter. That's how crazy I was,

541
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Speaker 4: and it's like I didn't feel good until I've done it.

542
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 4: I was completely addicted, completely, and and that.

543
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Speaker 2: Just shows it it's possible to beat him. By the way.

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Speaker 2: Sure we'll fun fact I saw during the week. So

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Speaker 2: the how you know chili peppers, how they taste hot?

546
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Speaker 4: And you heard it here first, folks, that's you're welcome,

547
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Speaker 4: David Gillespie.

548
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Speaker 1: Mate, there's our fucking there's our video grab. You're welcomed to.

549
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Speaker 1: Of all the shit you've said, that probably the dumbest,

550
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Speaker 1: but you're welcome.

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Speaker 2: So do you know why they taste hot?

552
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, I it's got whatever that stuff is.

553
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: Capt that stuff. Yes, there's a chemical in chilies, But

554
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: how it makes it taste hot is it interacts with

555
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: our nerves to actually simulate genuine heat, so our brain

556
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: thinks we are genuinely on fire. So it's not similar

557
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: to being on fire as far as our brain's concerned.

558
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: We are, which is why people break out in a

559
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: sweat and so on when they consume really really hot chilies.

560
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about that is that it has

561
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Speaker 2: the same effect on dopamine as actually being burnt, so

562
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: you actually get a dopamine stimulus from consuming a hot

563
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: chili in the same way you would from cutting yourself

564
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Speaker 2: or inflicting pain in any way, because pain generates an

565
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: indorphan response. So instead of going for that marathon run,

566
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: you could just chow down on a bowl of really

567
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: hot chili and you would get that same dopamine response. Wow.

568
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Speaker 4: Hey, here's something for our listeners and for you that

569
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Speaker 4: you might not even know about.

570
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Speaker 1: So there's a show on YouTube called hot Ones. Have

571
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Speaker 1: you ever heard of it?

572
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 4: No, So the point of the show, which you would think,

573
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 4: this is fucking ridiculous, it's never going to take off, Tiff,

574
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 4: just google that, right, In fact, google Ryan Reynolds and

575
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: Hugh Jackman hot Ones. They were on about four weeks ago.

576
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it now. Twenty seven million people have

577
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: watched their episode. So what they do, David, is they

578
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 4: get famous people on this dude and they give them

579
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Speaker 4: a bit of meat for whatever it is, and it

580
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: will have a progressively hotter and hotter source. It gets

581
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Speaker 4: to the point where like this one will kill you.

582
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Speaker 4: And they just started I don't know, level one, and

583
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: they go up to level fifteen out of ten. But yeah,

584
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Speaker 4: and the whole point of the show is to see

585
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Speaker 4: how hot people can go. And it's funny because you

586
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: get these like often an alpha male who's like, fuck this,

587
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: I've got this, and they're in tears, They've got snot

588
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 4: coming down their face, their face starts to swell and

589
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: goes red, their tongue swells, they can't talk, and it's

590
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 4: it's hilarious.

591
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Anyway, Everyone have a look. It's called hot ones and

592
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: have a look at them. I'm looking at it now.

593
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: Have a look at Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman. It

594
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Speaker 1: came out a month ago.

595
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Speaker 2: You know I was in a movie once with Hugh Jackman.

596
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Speaker 1: You were in a movie?

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00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, hell so I would have been more respectful, No,

598
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: I wouldn't movie.

599
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Speaker 1: What movie?

600
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Speaker 2: When? When Sweet Poison first came out, there was a

601
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: movie made of the movie version of the book was

602
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: made by a local austrain actor, Damon Gamo and he

603
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: Madman Films I think produced it, etc. I think to

604
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: this day it's still the highest grossing nonfiction documentary type

605
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: film ever made in Australia. And Hugh Jackman did a

606
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Speaker 2: cameo in the film to promote not eating sugar.

607
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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So if you ever want to see that you'll find it.

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Speaker 2: What is the name of the film, sweet something or other?

610
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but anyway, it's yeah, so yeah. So

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Speaker 2: my claim to fame there as I was in a

612
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Speaker 2: movie with Hugh Jackman. I didn't actually get to meet him, right,

613
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Speaker 2: we're in the same movie together.

614
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Speaker 5: Well, my claim to fame is I was doing an

615
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Speaker 5: online seminar and they had like twenty people from around

616
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Speaker 5: the world, like it was a conference, and Deepak Chopra

617
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Speaker 5: was one of the speakers, and him and I were

618
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Speaker 5: next to each other on the card It's got luck

619
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Speaker 5: Wow pack and then Fatty Harps from fucking Latro Valley

620
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Speaker 5: just right next to him. I took about thirty two

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Speaker 5: screenshots so that went, look who I'm presenting with That

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Speaker 5: we didn't we weren't even on the same continent, but made.

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Speaker 4: Me feel good. All right, let's wrap this up. So

624
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Speaker 4: how do we put a little how do we put

625
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Speaker 4: a little ribbon on this? Is there any gold that

626
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Speaker 4: you want to share regarding this?

627
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Speaker 2: Look? To me, I think it's it's a really important

628
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Speaker 2: step forward that you've got a major telcode in the

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Speaker 2: world and the UK saying do not buy our product

630
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Speaker 2: because it is dangerous for children. I think that's a

631
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Speaker 2: really interesting point. We've reached here where someone who stands

632
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Speaker 2: to make real money out of selling this product is saying,

633
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Speaker 2: don't buy it if it's going to be given to

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Speaker 2: a child, and that should be taken as the warning

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: I think that's amazing. I think good on them, like

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Speaker 1: good on them for doing that, because they're not doing

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Speaker 1: themselves a favor. They're doing themselves commercially a disservice. But

639
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Speaker 1: it seems like they're doing the right thing. Mate, say,

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Speaker 1: we'll say goodbye here, but as always, are you famous bastard?

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Speaker 1: You and Hugh Jackman, Yeah and you yeah, yeah yeah

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Speaker 1: in the pod. That's all right, Thanks Tiff, Thanks guys,