1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: From the newsroom and news. 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 2: To come to the. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 3: Okoday. There, I'm Andrew Buckalow. Hey have you seen all 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 3: the photos from yesterday's met Gala? If you haven't, do 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 3: yourself a favor godenews dot com dot au and check 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 3: out our gallery of the wildest looks. The most bizarre one, 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 3: in my opinion, was from an Aussie, a billionaire named 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 3: Anthony Pratt. He kind of looked like the Riddler from Batman. 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: He was wearing this green suit and running shoes. Who 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: wears running shoes to the met gala? Anthony? Just because 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 3: your surname is Pratt does not mean you need to 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 3: dress like one. As for what is making us today, 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: where the eyes of the world are on Vatican City 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: as the conclave begins, That, of course, is the super 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: secretive vote that takes place inside the Cystine Chapel to 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: elect a new Pope. In just a moment, we're going 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 3: to cross the room to get all the details on 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 3: that mysterious ritual and find out who the front runners are. 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: Freaking news this morning, Pope Francis has passed away. The 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: Vatican mediaannounce meant just moments ago, saying the eighty eight 21 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: year old Bishop of Rome has returned to the house 22 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: of the Father. 23 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: Well. Brother Mark O'Connor, who is bick Up, a communications 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 3: for the Diocese of Paramatta, joins me. Now, Mark, is 25 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 3: it right that you were in Rome when the Pope 26 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: died on April twenty one? 27 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 4: Well, actually, strangely enough, I had been in Rome for 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 4: a week around Easter and had left Rome that morning, 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: had flown to Leon, and when I got off the 30 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 4: plane at eleven am, when I turned on my phone, 31 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 4: I discovered that he'd passed away at seven thirty am 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 4: while I was at get actually at the airport when 33 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 4: it happened. So I just got on a plane and 34 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: came back to Rome, and yeah, so I've. 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 5: Been here ever since. 36 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: After his death, of course, mourners were able to pay 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: their respects to Pope Francis at Saint Peter's Basilica, where 38 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: he lay in an open coffin. Did you get a 39 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: chance to go and do that? 40 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 5: I did. Yeah. 41 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: It was a long queue and very moving, hundreds of 42 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 4: thousands of people, and then there were two fifty thousand 43 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 4: at his funeral and another one hundred and fifty thousand 44 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 4: in the streets as his coffin was taken in a 45 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 4: the old one of a reconstructed pope ma bill through 46 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 4: the streets of Rome from Saint Peter's to Saint Mary Major's. 47 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: So yeah, it was all it was sad, but it 48 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: was also there was also kind of a bittersweet moment 49 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 4: because you know, he'd made a remarkable contribution over his 50 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 4: twelve years and very charismatic, very inspiring, and very different 51 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 4: sort of pope from many that we've had in the past. 52 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 4: So you know, I was sad, but I was also 53 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 4: kind of I didn't feel kind of totally overwhelmed with 54 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: grief because I think he there was a sense of 55 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: completion because I'd seen him, you know, from a distance 56 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 4: in the week before, on actually on Easter Sunday of 57 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 4: the day before, as he drove around in the Pope bill, 58 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: and he looked terrible and clearly he was you know, 59 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: you wondered how long he go on in that condition, 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 4: But no, no, it was it was a very moving event, 61 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 4: and he's he's somebody that I think has inspired not 62 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: just Catholics, but millions and millions of people were not 63 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 4: Catholics who were impressed by his ability to reach out 64 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: to people, especially people on the margins. 65 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: You mentioned, he was a very different pope. Tell me 66 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 3: more about that. How will history remember him? 67 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 5: Well? 68 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: I think you know, he's first of all, he's the 69 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: first pope that. 70 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 5: Came from from America, from South America. 71 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 4: He's a guy who refused to live in the Apostolic Palace, 72 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: the grandeur of the palace there and lived in a 73 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: in a hostel. He was down to earth. He was 74 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 4: a simple man. He you know, refused to drive an 75 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 4: expensive vehicles and were driven around but you know, just 76 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 4: was driven around in a simple, ordinary lot on a 77 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 4: mini mini car. And he was also somebody who couldn't 78 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: be controlled. I mean in the previous papercies for a 79 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: long time, you know, the career. You know, they controlled 80 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: access to the pope. This pope by living in the 81 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: Santa Marta, which is a sort of a hotel next 82 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 4: to the Saint Peter's had a mobile phone in his 83 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: back pocket and took his own messages and made his 84 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 4: own appointments, and people came and saw him, and you know, 85 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: so the gatekeepers couldn't keep out people that he wanted 86 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: to see if he wanted, if he actually thought they 87 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: could had something to say to him. So he was 88 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 4: from that point of view. He was I wouldn't say 89 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 4: he was conservative. I wouldn't say he was liberal. I 90 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 4: would say he was radical. He was somebody who particularly 91 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 4: focused on reaching out to migrants, to refugees, to people 92 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: in the margins. 93 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: The Conclave, of course, is about to begin on Wednesday 94 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 3: night Australian time. It's a very secretive, closed door meeting 95 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: where all the Catholic cardinals gather to elect a new pope. 96 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 3: Can you run us through how it works? 97 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 4: Well, it begins on Wednesday night, or it begins with 98 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 4: a Mass on Wednesday and then a procession, and then 99 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 4: they all take an oath of secrecy and they put 100 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: their hand on the Gospel in front of the Last 101 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 4: Judgment scene in the Sistine Chapel and promise that they 102 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: will elect somebody according to their conscience, so they really 103 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: believe should be the next pope. And then they will 104 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 4: have the first vote on the Wednesday night. They have 105 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 4: to get a two thirds majority. There's one hundred and 106 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 4: thirty three cardinals. Therefore, again you've got to have around 107 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 4: ninety to get a two thirds majority. So it'd be 108 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 4: highly an u usual whether that there'd be a pope 109 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 4: elected on the first vote on the Wednesday night, it's possible. 110 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 5: But so there'll be black smoke. 111 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: I think on the Wednesday night Thursday, you know, is 112 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 4: where they have two votes a day, that could happen. 113 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 4: I mean, if you know there are some people who 114 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 4: are named, you know, you'd be a fool to say, 115 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: you know, you know that you knew who were going 116 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: to be elected pope. 117 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 5: It's just impossible to predict. 118 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 4: But there's one cardinal who's the Secretary of State, who's 119 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: a diplomat, an Italian. There's a block of support around him, 120 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 4: Cardinal Perolin. And there's another one from the Philippines, Cardinal Taglay, 121 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 4: who is now based in Rome, but he's more of 122 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 4: like an Asian Pope Francis. But if there is no 123 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 4: pope after the second or third day, you know, after 124 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: the voting, then it would be almost certain that there's 125 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 4: no clear candidate. So the field will then open up 126 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 4: and it could be anybody in that sense, it could 127 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 4: be somebody. Then they'll have to look for a compromise. 128 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: So yeah, I would say, though my view is that 129 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 4: that that it's highly likely there'll be a pope by Saturday. 130 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 5: Rome time you. 131 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: Mentioned smoke, signals there they used to announce the outcome 132 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: of the conclave. Just tell us how that works. 133 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 4: That's right, Well, the black indicates they have this sort 134 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: of chemical they put into the votes which they burn, 135 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 4: and that you know if there's a black vote, that 136 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 4: there's any that's inconclusive. They having a candidate has not 137 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 4: got two thirds of majority. When it's white smoke, that 138 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 4: means the candidate has been elected. And you know, they 139 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 4: were famous scenes even the last time twenty thirteen, it 140 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 4: was a rainy March spring night and people were crowded 141 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 4: in the square and suddenly the white smoke came up. 142 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: Let's have a listen to that moment from ABC News 143 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: in America, seven h six pm. 144 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 5: Grown time, White smoke. 145 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: And as that smoke rose and billowed into the night air, 146 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: Saint Peter's Square in Erupt, it was a moment of 147 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: pure joy for them, a profound prayer of the chance 148 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: to witness history. Soon the square was packed with more 149 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: than one hundred thousand rain soaked people, their eyes turned 150 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: upward in anticipation to the red draped windows of the 151 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: logo of Saint Peter's. Everyone waiting to see the new pope. 152 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: The Vatican band marched into cheers, followed by the Swiss guards, 153 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: the Pope's personal truth, and then French Cardinal Torrent stepped 154 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: out to pronounce the ancient words we have a pope, 155 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: but who sang fier Romania Cargolio Jorge Mario Burgoglio of 156 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: Argentina waited in the wings Vatican TV, capturing the moments 157 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: before he greeted the world under his new name, Hope Francis, 158 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: the first of that name. 159 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 4: It's kind of a little bit medieval, but it's all 160 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 4: part of the ritual and to some degree the sort 161 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: of the history of the whole situation. But you know, 162 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 4: I would say, you know, there. 163 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 5: There are various views on this. 164 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: Some people say, well, there might be a candidate elected 165 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: who wants to reverse things about what Paive Francis did, 166 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: you know, like you know, use the reverse gear in 167 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 4: a car. 168 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 5: I don't think that's likely. I think, you know, people 169 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 5: will be more moderate. 170 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: There are some though, who might say, we like pay Francis, 171 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 4: but but maybe he was just a bit too radical 172 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: for us, and we need somebody to calm the church 173 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 4: down a bit, because he did, you know, he had 174 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: people who loved him and there are some people who 175 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: hated him. 176 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 5: There might be. 177 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 4: Others who might say, well, no, we want to go 178 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 4: in the direction to Francis, but we can't get another 179 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 4: Francis because he was unique, you know. So we might 180 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 4: put the thing in cruise control and have somebody who's 181 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 4: kind of a moderate, and then then and then there 182 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 4: are a few candidates who would really accelerate what Francis 183 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 4: did and say, yes, he was great, and we want 184 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 4: to keep and keep the speed going further and further 185 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 4: and further in his reform of the church. But to 186 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 4: be honest, you know, it's a tense moment, an anxious 187 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 4: moment for lots of people. We don't really know what's 188 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: going to happen because there's all these cardinals, you know, 189 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 4: from all different. 190 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 5: Parts of the world. There's one hundred and thirty three 191 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 5: of them. 192 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: That's the biggest number that I've ever had of cardinals, 193 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 4: and a lot of them actually don't know each other. 194 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: So it's very hard to predict, but it's certainly exciting. 195 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: Stick around in just a moment, I'm gonna ask Mark 196 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: about the Conclave movie and find out if there's any 197 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: truth to the rumor that cardinals do actually campaign behind 198 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: closed doors to become pope. Welcome back, I'm chatting to 199 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: Marc O'Connor now, Mark, I, like so many other people, 200 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: have recently watched the movie Conclave, starring Rape Fines and 201 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: Stanley Tucci. One of the things that happens in the 202 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 3: movie is some of the cardinals campaign behind the scenes. 203 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 5: This is a concluve. It's not a war. It is 204 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 5: a war, and you have to commit to a side. 205 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 3: Mark, do cardinals actually campaign to become pope? 206 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: Well, campaign might be not quite the right word, but 207 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 4: that they would use. But certainly this week before the Conclave, 208 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 4: their meeting discussing in they call a general congregation. Yeah. Sure, 209 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: if you overtly politically, you know, promote yourself, you know, 210 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 4: then you're automatically kind of pushed out of the whole thing. 211 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: You know, you can't promote yourself, et cetera. However, there 212 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: might be people who might say, well, in terms of 213 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 4: policies we want, they might be talking about two or 214 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: three will who are in this direction, and this, a 215 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 4: few more in this direction, and another in this direction, 216 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 4: et cetera. So they'd be talking about not necessarily like 217 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: you know, Dutton versus Albanesi, but they'd be talking about, 218 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 4: you know, directions in the church and which way should 219 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: you go? And yeah, they'd be talking privately about about names. 220 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 4: But like it's absolutely and no, no to actually be saying, 221 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: you know, I want to be pape, you'd have to 222 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 4: be crazy. You know, if you want to be pope, 223 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: it's a very good sign that you shouldn't be pap 224 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 4: et cetera. 225 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 3: What about you personally, Mark, is there someone that you 226 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: would really like to see be the next pope? 227 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 5: Well, you know there are several. 228 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 4: You know, I think Tagley, whom I've met and I 229 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 4: hosted him in Australia in two fourteen for a week. 230 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 4: I think he would be great. Filipino, very past for 231 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 4: a very much like Pope Francis good Man, speaks good Italian, 232 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 4: which helps when you're the Bishop of Rome as well 233 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 4: when you're the pope. There's an American. Normally you would 234 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 4: say Americans. No, you know, geopolitically Trump and you know 235 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 4: you can't have an American as pope and in this 236 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 4: kind of world, But there is an American guy called 237 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 4: Robert Prevost who is in charge of appointing bishops around 238 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 4: the world and he's a different sort of American, because 239 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 4: yes he's an American. He's from Chicago, from the Midwest, 240 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 4: a French mother and an Italian father. 241 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 5: Was born in Chicago. 242 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 4: But he was Superior General of the Augustinians, which is 243 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 4: an international religious order, so he knows the world, speaks 244 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 4: several languages, traveled around. He also lived as a priest 245 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 4: and as a bishop in Peru, you know, in a 246 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 4: rather poor area for almost twenty years. So he's very 247 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 4: well known by all the Latin Americans. And he speaks 248 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: plific Spanish, obviously, and he's very sympathetic towards Pope Francis's 249 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 4: view of things, but perhaps less charismatic, so he'd be 250 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: good somebody tagler or prevost. I would like several other 251 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 4: names that could come forward, but I'm certain that won't 252 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 4: be somebody who reverses what Francis been doing. But you know, 253 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 4: exactly who we get is going to depend hopefully on 254 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 4: the Holy Spirit and hopefully on the common sense and 255 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 4: the goodness of the people who are discussing things. 256 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 3: Well, Mark, you are watching history Unfold. Have a great time, 257 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: and thank you so much for jumping on the. 258 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 5: Podcast for us. No problem, no pleasure. 259 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: We will bring you the latest updates from the conclave 260 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: at news dot com dot au. Thank you so much 261 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: for listening like Chati you again tomorrow. 262 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: Follow or subscribe to from the newsroom wherever you get 263 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: your podcasts.