WEBVTT - The Media Show | 31 May

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<v Speaker 1>Vince is the Media Show with Jack Outen.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to the Media Show. Tonight we'll have

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<v Speaker 2>the media's reaction to the Trump verdict and a Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>UNI professor in hot water. But first, the ABC's star

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<v Speaker 2>political correspondent, Laura Tingle survives another day to campaign against

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<v Speaker 2>the Coalition, and despite calling the country racist and claiming

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<v Speaker 2>that Peter Duttan's budget speech was dangerous, there have been

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<v Speaker 2>no real penalties. Now, if you need a refresh, this

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<v Speaker 2>was Tingle last week at a writer's festival with her

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<v Speaker 2>insightful analysis we are a.

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<v Speaker 3>Racist capulate's face if we always have been a stray

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<v Speaker 3>pressin To give a license like that I find profoundly

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<v Speaker 3>depressin and a terrible prospect for.

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<v Speaker 1>The next election.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, the ABC has been humiliated for anyone with a

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<v Speaker 2>neutral eye watching along, but the response from Boss David

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson has just been bizarre. Here he is at centered

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<v Speaker 2>estimates saying that Tingle has simultaneously been punished but also

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<v Speaker 2>did nothing wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Im mature nation, regardless of political views, should be able

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<v Speaker 4>to discuss such issues in a respectful and intelligent way.

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<v Speaker 4>The ABC's role and the work of our journalists like

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<v Speaker 4>miss Tingle is to help facilitate those debates on our platforms. Finally,

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<v Speaker 4>Miss Tingle does not deserve the ferocity and frankly vicious

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<v Speaker 4>attacks that we've seen this week.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was it? Was Laura Tingle cautioned because what

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<v Speaker 2>she did was wrong? Or do you defend her? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson seems to want it both ways, and that incompatible

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<v Speaker 2>logic is what hurts the ABC the most. There was

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<v Speaker 2>also a bunch of excuses the ABC made for Tingle

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<v Speaker 2>that don't add up. They claimed she made the comments

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<v Speaker 2>in her personal capacity when the event was advertised by

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<v Speaker 2>the ABC on its own website, Join us at the Writers' Festival,

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<v Speaker 2>the ABC Roade and it's taxpayer funded website in April.

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<v Speaker 2>They even had ABC shows at the event. But more

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<v Speaker 2>to the point, as we reported last week, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the worst comments Tingle made were broadcast by the ABC itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Heresue was an Insiders one week prior to the Writers' Festival.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think what was concerning is for a political

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<v Speaker 5>leader to come out and say, not only is housing

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<v Speaker 5>the fault of migrants, but you can't get a childcare space,

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<v Speaker 5>you can't get through the traffic on the roads, you

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<v Speaker 5>can't get in to see the doctor because of migration.

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<v Speaker 5>That is lighting this thing up in a really disturbing way,

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<v Speaker 5>regardless of the arguments about whether there's you know, there

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<v Speaker 5>should be more or less migration, regardless of whether his

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<v Speaker 5>policies make sense. And I would say that they don't

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<v Speaker 5>make coherent sense in what he's put out in his

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<v Speaker 5>budget reply. You know, the hot buttons he's pressing there,

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<v Speaker 5>I think are very dangerous for our community.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Anderson was asked about this by Sarah Henderson because

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<v Speaker 2>it meant the ABC actually did publish bias comments. His

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<v Speaker 2>core argument, which save Tingle, is completely dismantled by this fact.

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<v Speaker 6>She said, the hot buttons he's pressing that they are

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<v Speaker 6>very dangerous for our community. She again, she again was

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<v Speaker 6>very yeah. She again was very disparaging of mister Dutton

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<v Speaker 6>and whistling, thank you, we will have order.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you love those interjections? When we have radicals from

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<v Speaker 2>the Greens Party siding with the ABC on the issue,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't that just prove the point Tingle is their person.

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<v Speaker 2>They love her because she campaigns for them and their policies,

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<v Speaker 2>and you pick up the bill amazingly Anderson still backs

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<v Speaker 2>Tingle's right to say absurd things like a major election

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<v Speaker 2>policy is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>If you look at miss Tingle's reporting, she has laid

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<v Speaker 4>out what was mister Dutton's budget reply speech and laid

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<v Speaker 4>out caution with regard to that, and I think by

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<v Speaker 4>summarizing it in that fashion in those comments at the

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<v Speaker 4>Sydney Writers Festival was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's bring in the panel. I'm joined by media

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<v Speaker 2>writer at The Australian, Sophie Elsworth and PR Council's Christy McSweeney. Now, Sophie,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start with you, well done. This has

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<v Speaker 2>been your story. You broke it, you got the audio

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<v Speaker 2>and you published it and what a firestorm did it

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<v Speaker 2>set off?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Jack, I think it's important with this story to

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<v Speaker 3>show Australians what ABC taxpayer funded journalists are putting out

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<v Speaker 3>in the public domain, whether it's on platform or off platform. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>Laura Tingle attended the Sydney Writer Festival as an ABC journalist.

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<v Speaker 3>She can't just divorce herself of her duties from the

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<v Speaker 3>ABC and as a board director the staff elected board director.

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<v Speaker 3>But look, this is a real headache for ABC. It's

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<v Speaker 3>caused problems this week. Clearly among management. I suspect Kim

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<v Speaker 3>Williams is very unhappy with this because for once they

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<v Speaker 3>came out and actually said she was cautioned over this

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<v Speaker 3>commentary criticizing Peter Dutton. Mister Anderson also said jacket sented

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<v Speaker 3>estimates it was a misstep, a mistake, and that he

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<v Speaker 3>regretted that it had happened. But as always the ABC,

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<v Speaker 3>high profile, particularly female high profile stars protected at the

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<v Speaker 3>ABC no matter what they do. All that's really happened

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<v Speaker 3>here is Laura Tingle has apparently been told off. She's

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<v Speaker 3>issued an essay about why she could make the statements,

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<v Speaker 3>and the caravan rolls on. But they now have a

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<v Speaker 3>problem on their hands because she's the most senior political

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<v Speaker 3>correspondent and I think she's damaged her credibility to show

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<v Speaker 3>that she can be objective and impartial in that role.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I completely agree. I think her job's untenable. Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton has criticized her, She's shown her true colors, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be getting into an election period soon

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<v Speaker 2>and she is presumably going to be playing a very

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<v Speaker 2>front and center role. Now. Christy picking up on what

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie is saying about David Anderson's performance. I noticed that, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he was criticizing her to a degree in a very

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<v Speaker 2>measured and controlled way, saying that she'd made mistakes, but

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<v Speaker 2>then in other conversations completely backing her, explaining it away,

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<v Speaker 2>attempting to minimize. What did you make of his performance?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, First of all, Jack, I'd like to say I

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<v Speaker 7>attended the Opposition leader's budgeting replys spoach and packed out

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<v Speaker 7>sold out ballroom of people in Canberra, gave it a

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<v Speaker 7>very very good reception and didn't think it was incoherent,

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<v Speaker 7>and I certainly didn't as an interested observer and someone

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<v Speaker 7>who listens to a lot of speeches, I certainly wasn't

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<v Speaker 7>on the Joe Biden train of incoherence. Secondly, I will

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<v Speaker 7>say that it's very clear that ABC management is not

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<v Speaker 7>cautious of how this is presented to the public, though

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<v Speaker 7>cautious of how this is presented to the government, and

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<v Speaker 7>cautious of how it's presented internally to the staff. We

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<v Speaker 7>know that particularly here in Melbourne and also in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 7>the ABC City newsrooms and the senior staff. Essentially it

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<v Speaker 7>is the tail wagging the dog. The similar problems at

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<v Speaker 7>Channel nine, so it is an internal knot and that

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<v Speaker 7>is how the ABC considers it in the hierarchy of

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<v Speaker 7>priorities to protect their messaging on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very very strange stuff. Let's move on, though, because

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian Jewish Association has also weighed into the Laura

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<v Speaker 2>Tingle saga because she made a strange excuse for her

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<v Speaker 2>Australia as racist comment in a statement she said, we

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<v Speaker 2>clearly have an issue with racism. For some months now,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, the Australian newspaper has been devoting considerable space

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<v Speaker 2>to its alarm about a rise in anti Semitism in Australia. Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>so Laura is pretending that she was talking about Jewish populations. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what an absurd attempt to pivot And what did the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish Association think of this?

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<v Speaker 6>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>CEO Robert Gregory labeled it ridiculous. Laura Tingle should not

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<v Speaker 2>drag in the Jewish community to defend her ridiculous statement.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia is perhaps the least racist country in the world. Ironically,

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<v Speaker 2>the ABC, where Miss Tingle works, has significantly contributed to

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<v Speaker 2>anti Jewish sentiment with its inaccurate and biased reporting, including

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<v Speaker 2>recently describing hermus terrorist rocket attack on the Jewish state

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<v Speaker 2>as a show of resilience. Now let's bring the panel

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<v Speaker 2>back in to discuss Sophie. Laura Tingle put this statement

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<v Speaker 2>out to explain her comments in greater context. As soon

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<v Speaker 2>as I saw her talking about anti semitism, I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just completely bizarre because that's clearly not what her

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<v Speaker 2>comments were targeted at. Her comments were in response to

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<v Speaker 2>the budget reply speech, which was about immigration. Well, Jack, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Did publish or the ABC published her thirteen hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>eighty word explanation about why she made these remarks at

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<v Speaker 3>the Sydney Writers Festival. Now that strikes me as almost

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<v Speaker 3>essay like and an awful lot of backpeddling after what

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<v Speaker 3>has been a disaster for her this week. It's damaged

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<v Speaker 3>her professionally. And this is the thing, Jack, These journalists

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<v Speaker 3>get on these platforms at these leftist activist writers' festivals.

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<v Speaker 3>You can hear in the audio she's applauded by the crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably everyone there thought none the wiser and thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was quite normal.

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<v Speaker 6>But when you put.

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<v Speaker 3>These remarks out into the public forum, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people that disagree with what she's saying. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's a little bit disingenuous to try and wrap

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<v Speaker 3>this in with coverage of what's happening in Israel. But again,

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<v Speaker 3>she's trying to get herself out of this giant hole

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<v Speaker 3>that has damaged her professionally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good point. And there was also reference

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<v Speaker 2>Christy by the Jewish Association to the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>ABC has had this issue with this show of resilience

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<v Speaker 2>post that they did on Instagram, and he's saying, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bit ironic that you're saying you're standing up

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<v Speaker 2>for anti Semitism when your organization is calling terrorist attacks

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<v Speaker 2>targeted rocket firing onto Israeli citizenry, you're calling that a

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<v Speaker 2>show of resilience. It's absurd.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, it's clearly a tactic for the ABC to clutch

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<v Speaker 7>at straws to demonstrate they do not have a conscious

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<v Speaker 7>bias towards this. And if I was part of the

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<v Speaker 7>Jewish community, I'd be absolutely horrified at the ABC using

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<v Speaker 7>their coverage of the Israel atrocities to prove a point

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<v Speaker 7>about them being unconscious about them being unbiased. I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>surprised that Jewish identities have decided to make public statements

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<v Speaker 7>relating to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really, strange stuff. Let's move on all night. All

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<v Speaker 2>eyes are on Nine as speculation mounts that CEO Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Sneezeby will leave the network over his handling of the

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<v Speaker 2>Darren Wick allegations. Now, Sneasbury has survived thus far despite

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure, but the headlines are getting more brute by

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<v Speaker 2>the day. Nine Boss Mike Sneezbe a dead man walking.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine Entertainment chair Peter Costello has refused to publicly back

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<v Speaker 2>in battle Chief Executive Mike Sneezeby as the Media Group

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<v Speaker 2>seven person board prepares to meet for the first time

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<v Speaker 2>since sexual harassment allegations against former News boss Darren Wick

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<v Speaker 2>were revealed. Now, Sneezeby's main vulnerability is the fact he

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<v Speaker 2>handed Wick a near one million dollar payout despite knowing

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<v Speaker 2>the serious allegations were hanging over his head. So will

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<v Speaker 2>Sneezebe whether the storm or will he soon find himself

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<v Speaker 2>out of the job. Let's bring the paddle back into

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<v Speaker 2>discuss Sophie, You've been doing some brilliant reporting on this,

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<v Speaker 2>really leading the pack. What do you make of Sneezebe,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically putting aside the Darren Wick allegations. Does he hang

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<v Speaker 2>on to this job.

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<v Speaker 7>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>At the moment. The answer is yes. There's been meetings

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<v Speaker 3>are at nine, you know, with staff all around the

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<v Speaker 3>country all week, even today there was meetings with staff

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<v Speaker 3>about what's going on. This is something that has giant

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<v Speaker 3>opened a giant can of worms and shown that there

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<v Speaker 3>is a problem within the organization of how they deal

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<v Speaker 3>with harassment allegations, you know, claims of inappropriate conduct. I

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<v Speaker 3>think Nine thought this story would go away. We are

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<v Speaker 3>now nearly two weeks on from when we broke that

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<v Speaker 3>story first at The Australian, and this story is far

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<v Speaker 3>from over. There's a lot of people within the nine

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<v Speaker 3>organization incredibly displeased with how this has been handled. It's

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<v Speaker 3>damaged their brand, it's damaged their reputation. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>Mike sneeze Mey is hanging on to his job with

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<v Speaker 3>dear life. But he is safe for now. But Jack,

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<v Speaker 3>you and I know in this industry you can be

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<v Speaker 3>gone quickly. You think you're safe one minute and you

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<v Speaker 3>go on the next. So I think he'll be trying

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<v Speaker 3>to work in overdrive to make sure he can hold

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<v Speaker 3>onto that CEO position. But interestingly Chairman Peter Costello has

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<v Speaker 3>not spoken out publicly to date supporting Mike Sneezebee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really interesting that the silence from Costello and Christy.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make of the situation?

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<v Speaker 7>I think Sophy is entirely correct and well done Sophie

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<v Speaker 7>on bringing issues to the store on this story to light.

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<v Speaker 7>From a brand and reputation standpoint, it's only going to

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<v Speaker 7>get worse. So you and I know that the one

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<v Speaker 7>thing media survives on is advertising dollars, and nine now

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<v Speaker 7>wrapping all of their print and broadcast and news radio

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<v Speaker 7>publications under the one banner and seeking to spread advertising

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<v Speaker 7>dollars out across all of them. This is going to

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<v Speaker 7>start really impacting in a drastic way. If this start

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<v Speaker 7>continues to.

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<v Speaker 2>Roll on and be unresolved, we'll see how it all

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<v Speaker 2>plays out. But we're going to take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>When we're back. Meet the Sydney University professor who tried

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<v Speaker 2>to minimize the October seven attacks. Welcome back. Now on

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<v Speaker 2>to yet another case of radical leftist morons using phrases

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<v Speaker 2>such as misinformation and fake news to spread actual fake news.

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<v Speaker 2>But this one is worse than normal. The latest conspiratorial

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<v Speaker 2>rant came from a university lecturer. Meet Sujatha Fernandez who

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<v Speaker 2>gave a lecture to students claiming that mass rapes and

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<v Speaker 2>sexual violence committed by Hermas terrorists was all just a hoax.

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<v Speaker 2>The Australian reports a University of Sydney professor has told

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<v Speaker 2>first year students that Hermasa's mass rapes and sexual violence

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<v Speaker 2>in October seven were fake news and a hoax peddled

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<v Speaker 2>by the media, and that Israel had engaged in ethnic

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<v Speaker 2>cleansing propped up by Western governments had repressed domestic dissent.

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<v Speaker 2>Now even the compromised ICC has stated that it has

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<v Speaker 2>evidence to prove that these rapes occurred. The BBC has

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<v Speaker 2>published the full charges against the Harmask commanders and it

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<v Speaker 2>includes rape and other acts of sexual violence, including rape

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<v Speaker 2>in captivity. The un has also cited evidence for the

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<v Speaker 2>mass rape claim. Now all of this information is public,

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<v Speaker 2>but this professor thinks it is all rubbish. Her direct

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<v Speaker 2>quote was Western media has played the role of an

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<v Speaker 2>ideological state apparatus by suppressing coverage of the atrocities, peddling

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<v Speaker 2>fake news, promoted the hoaxes that her Musk beheaded babies

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<v Speaker 2>and carried out mass rape in order to shore up

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<v Speaker 2>support for Israel, and distorting events but we contacted the university,

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<v Speaker 2>which told us she remains in her position and that

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<v Speaker 2>they are investigating. They also wanted us to know on

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<v Speaker 2>background that they respected her freedom of speech and academic freedoms.

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<v Speaker 2>Truly crazy stuff, especially when protesters are taking over campuses

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<v Speaker 2>across the country, intimidating Jewish students and in one case

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<v Speaker 2>even storm the lecture hall of a Jewish professor spreading

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories that minimize October seven should be a line

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<v Speaker 2>that no one crosses. Well, Sophie, let's go to you.

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<v Speaker 2>This was an exclusive by The Australian, So well done

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<v Speaker 2>on your masthead for breaking this. These academics, they've completely

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<v Speaker 2>lost the plot and I thought it was very bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>for the media team to try and talk about her

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<v Speaker 2>freedoms from an academic point of view. What about that

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<v Speaker 2>could possibly be academic?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's interesting when you get the media and communications

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<v Speaker 3>team at universities involved.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Pr problem for them and they need to try and

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<v Speaker 3>squash it very quickly. Jack. And also for the university

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<v Speaker 3>lecture our professor to be criticizing the media, I think

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<v Speaker 3>is a pretty poor thing to do. But she sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like she could be in a bit of hot water,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is under investigation, but problematic when you have

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<v Speaker 3>these academics on very good salaries educating the up and

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<v Speaker 3>coming students of this country. So I think they have

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<v Speaker 3>to address this pretty promptly before she continues on her

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<v Speaker 3>way and who knows what else she will be telling people,

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<v Speaker 3>including studentsh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a good point, I mean, Christy, this is

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<v Speaker 2>someone who is shaping the minds of the future leaders

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<v Speaker 2>of the country. Universities get billions of dollars from the

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer every year. Shouldn't there be some accountability rather than

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<v Speaker 2>these highly paid pr teams essentially covering up these scandals.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Jack, we've tried that before, universities having to justify

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<v Speaker 7>their research, and more to the point, we did it

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<v Speaker 7>with foreign influence too, with China. To submit to the

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<v Speaker 7>government what research institutions you're partnering with overseas, and then

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<v Speaker 7>we would evaluate your research funding. Julian Lisa is calling

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<v Speaker 7>for a judicial inquiry into universities, particularly around the promotion

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<v Speaker 7>of the right of these encampments to exist, and I

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<v Speaker 7>dare say that idea could be extended to include content

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<v Speaker 7>that's being provided to young people in classes certainly around this.

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<v Speaker 7>The other thing we know is that to attain the

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<v Speaker 7>tenure or to attain the title of being a professor,

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<v Speaker 7>you only attain that if your research is peer reviewed.

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<v Speaker 7>That means it has to be true. And this doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>seem to be extending into the classroom. I'm as horrified

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<v Speaker 7>as any other Australian who has heard those comments.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, what do we expect the students

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<v Speaker 2>to do if you have some teacher who's supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be in that position of trust and privilege telling them

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<v Speaker 2>that October seven was a hoax. Of course they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be going to these encampments and protesting and everything

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<v Speaker 2>because they're trusting someone who is telling them something that's

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<v Speaker 2>patently false. But anyway, let's move on now to the

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump hush money trial and how the media has

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<v Speaker 2>reacted to a jury finding that the former president is

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<v Speaker 2>guilty of thirty four counts of falsifying business records.

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<v Speaker 1>A historic day in America. A former president of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States now a convicted felon. We've been holding our

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<v Speaker 1>breath as a country for a long time, waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>the cavalry to arrive in the form of the rule

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<v Speaker 1>of law, and it did arrive today, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>majestic day. The test for US now as a country

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<v Speaker 1>is whether or not this former president and his allies

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<v Speaker 1>will have succeeded in trying to undermine the rule of

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<v Speaker 1>law so that people reject this as a legitimate function

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<v Speaker 1>of the rule of law in our country. A wide

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<v Speaker 1>range of options. He could get up to four years.

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<v Speaker 5>He could also do weekends in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's bring the panel back in Sophie. A few of

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<v Speaker 2>the typical media outlets doing a bit of a victory lab.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make of the reaction? Look, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very interesting to see the reaction today from the

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<v Speaker 3>US media. There certainly seemed to be appear that some

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<v Speaker 3>media presenters and media personalities were quite thrilled with the

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<v Speaker 3>result with Donald Trump, but I don't know that this

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<v Speaker 3>will really do him the immense harm that many would hope,

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<v Speaker 3>and including in Australia, it seemed that some of the

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<v Speaker 3>reporting seemed to be a little bit gleeful that this

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<v Speaker 3>was a guilty verdict. So it'd be really interesting to

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<v Speaker 3>see how this plays out, particularly in the run up

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<v Speaker 3>to the presidential election. But President Trump has a huge

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<v Speaker 3>social media platform.

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<v Speaker 2>He can put a.

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<v Speaker 3>Spin on this that suits his agenda. He's already come

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<v Speaker 3>out doing and I think we'll see more of this

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<v Speaker 3>in the coming weeks and days as the fallout from

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<v Speaker 3>this continues.

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<v Speaker 2>And Christy, how does this play out from a pr

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<v Speaker 2>point of view? Does this help Trump? Does this play

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<v Speaker 2>into the narrative that the state is attempting to shut

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<v Speaker 2>him down? Or do you think that this will impact

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<v Speaker 2>him negatively?

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<v Speaker 7>This is like the halftime at the Super Bowl ad

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<v Speaker 7>spot this verdict today. Everyone in America has watched it,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's only going to increase the encourage his base.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, from what I have listened to of

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<v Speaker 7>legal experts across many of the networks, Democrat based and

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<v Speaker 7>Republican based networks, some of them have been prudent enough

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<v Speaker 7>to gain coverage from legal experts who have put forward

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<v Speaker 7>a view that this was a really confected argument. And

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<v Speaker 7>there are many people CenTra see the legal profession, who

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<v Speaker 7>are thinking this doesn't really sit well with me. How

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<v Speaker 7>the justice system has been manipulated by this very very

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<v Speaker 7>strange legal argument that only has one or two precedents.

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<v Speaker 7>So it might pull people from the center who just think,

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<v Speaker 7>oh my God, our democracy is being so confected at

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<v Speaker 7>either end of this scale. But if you're even slightly

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<v Speaker 7>inclined to like Trump, I think you're going to like

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<v Speaker 7>him a whole lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's going to be interesting to watch. Christy, Sophie,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for joining me. That's all the

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<v Speaker 2>time we have for tonight, But up next is lefties

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<v Speaker 2>losing it.