WEBVTT - Sharri | 2 July 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.199 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:05.080 This is Shari. 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.080 Good evening, and welcome to the show. I'm Caleb Bond, 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.400 filling in for Sharry Marks and this week coming up 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.400 on the program tonight, I asked the biggest Islamic groups 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.480 in the country what they thought of hate preacher Hadad 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.520 being ruled racist by the Federal Court. I'll tell you 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:25.240 their response shortly. Plus no albow, Trump meeting, no tariff exemption, 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.800 no Walcus guarantee. What did Pennywong actually achieve in Washington? 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.480 David Gazzard and Graham Richardson, Hopefully we'll have some answers soon. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.600 And Trump announces that Israel has agreed to a sixty 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.919 day cease far in Gaza, But of course, will Hamas 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.559 accept the conditions. Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Sharen Haskell will 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.800 discuss with me a little later now. I talked at 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.960 length last night about the Federal Court's judgment against hate 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.760 preacher Wizam Hadad. He was found to have breached Section 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.880 eighteen C of the Racial Discrimination Act in a number 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.720 of sermons in which he said Jews with the descendants 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.600 of pigs and apes, that they were vile and treacherous, 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.840 and on and on it goes. He also justified the 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:08.560 killing of Jews in the end times. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:09.679 Some of it was. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.679 Loosely based on the Qur'an and the Hadith. But as 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.280 I showed you last night, the court found that the 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.600 Qoran itself doesn't actually instruct Muslims to hate Jews or 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.720 say that they are inherently bad people. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.559 But the expert witnesses on Islamic theology from both sides 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:31.360 agree that neither the Qur'an nor the Hadith teach that 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:37.280 Jews have an inherent negative quality as a people. Ibrahim, 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.759 the respondence expert, said that Islam does not encourage hatred 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.800 towards Jews. I was not called on to decide whether 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:50.000 religious belief can ever be a justification for propagating racist, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.160 bigotry and hate, but. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.760 I also pointed out that even if that's the case, 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:59.240 it's strange how the biggest Muslim organizations in Australia have 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:04.040 failed to the rancid hatefield preachings of Hadad. I mean, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.080 you'd think that if Hadad isn't representative of what most 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.240 Muslims think, mainstream Imams, the biggest Islamic groups in the 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.520 country would come out and repudiate him and say this 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.080 is not on this isn't us. We can't have this 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.320 kind of bile being preached in the name of our religion. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.240 Even if they hadn't said anything until now, which they hadn't. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.160 You'd think after he lost in court that they might 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.760 say something, and yet they have it. I'll let you 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.799 come to your own conclusions. 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:33.360 About why that might be. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.680 And I said last night that we'd extended the opportunity 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.000 for someone from the Australian National Imam's Council to come 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.720 on the show and talk to me to condemn Hadad's 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.359 comments or explain why they don't think they deserve condemnation. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:47.480 And I would have thought. 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.960 They'd be pretty keen to clear the air, given that 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.680 Hadad said in court that Shaik Shady, the president of 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.560 the National Imams Council, was the man who took him 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.520 under his wing and led him to religion. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:02:59.760 But we didn't hear. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.720 My team also extended the same opportunity to the Australian 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:08.040 Federation of Islamic Councils and the Lebanese Muslim Association today 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.160 and we didn't hear back from them either, and in 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.840 venis just in case they thought I was too scary 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.919 as an interviewer. We gave them the opportunity to provide 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.440 a written statement instead. Funnily enough, none of the three 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.359 groups took me up on that. I keep in mind 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.240 this is a bloke. Well, actually bloke is probably a 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:31.079 bit generous. This pond scum doesn't believe in democracy, has 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.240 advocated for jihad and has supported ISIS is one from 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:36.040 the archives. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.920 Supporters of IS in Australia are predictably angry at the 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.839 federal government's decision with some Hadad Is, a carpet layer 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.320 turned militant activist who ran the Al Rissala bookstore and 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.840 community center at Bankstown and Sydney's West. Al Rissala became 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:59.000 notorious for giving a platform to hardliners sympathizing with global jihad. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.560 T it hit the height of notoriety. The Al Rissala 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.400 bookstore had become a lightning ride for militants enraged by 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.280 the slaughter of sorting Muslims in the Syrian Civil War, 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.280 but its ideology is about more than just the Syrian opposition. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.720 Our Rissala's online presence conveyed an ideology that was sympathetic 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.320 to global jihad. The restoration of the Caliphate and the 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:25.799 rejection of Western government. Wis Hadad ran the operation until 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.200 last Friday, the day he says the business was finally 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.200 wound up. On social media, he flies the shiharda flag 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.480 used by the self proclaimed Islamic state group. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:38.840 That was eleven years ago. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:44.120 So again I'll ask, why won't three allegedly mainstream, prominent 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.000 Islamic bodies in Australia come out and condemn the hate 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.120 preachings of a man who's flown the ISIS flag. Of 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.960 course I can't answer that question. They have to answer it, 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.599 but for some reason they don't seem to want. 0:04:58.520 --> 0:04:58.919 To do so. 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.640 I'll tell you what, if the Victorian Liberal Party was 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.000 a girl, you'd tell your son she was crazy and 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.480 never to be brought home to dinner. Again, the never 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.560 ending John Pursuito and more Redeeming saga continues to drag on. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.680 Today it's that four more members of the party's administrative 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.360 committee have joined Colleen Harken in challenging a loan from 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.239 the party to mister Pursuito to pay what he owes 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.520 to misdeeming after he was found to have defamed her. Now, 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.960 if you're not aware of the recent details. In short, 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.240 mister Pursuito had to pay Misdeeming two point three million 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.960 dollars in legal costs on top of the three hundred 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.520 thousand that he had to cough up for defaming her. 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.720 He managed to raise nearly eight hundred grand himself, but 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.560 the deadline to pay was looming last month and he 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.520 didn't have the rest of the cash. So there were 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.880 two options. Either someone stepped in to pick up the tab, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.679 or it'd had to declare bankruptcy. Now, bankrupts aren't allowed 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.960 to sit in Parliament, so that had forced a by 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.440 election in his seat of Hawthorne, and there was a 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.000 real risk that the could lose it. So the party's 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.840 administrative Committee agreed in a secret ballot to loan one 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.799 and a half million dollars to Pursuito from a party 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.800 entity called Vapold, and that was meant to ensure that 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.160 Pursuito didn't go bankrupt. Deeming got her money and then 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.239 everyone would be able to move on. Except they haven't 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.279 been able to move on because, as Stevie Wonder could 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.920 have seen coming, there are plenty of people in the 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.400 party not happy that members and donors are having to 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.320 stump up a serious amount of money to essentially bail 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.640 out a fool who picked a fight he didn't need 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.719 to and never should have to bring down a female MP, 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.600 and then refuse to settle, which would have stopped all 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.520 of this pilava in the first place. So Miss Harkin 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.880 launched an injunction on the money through the courts last week, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.039 and now four of her fellow committee members have joined her. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.159 They argue that the loan was invalid under the party's constitution. 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.279 Now my understanding is that the party was made aware 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.680 of the injunction on the day it was lodged and 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.960 then paid the money before it could be heard in court, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.400 basically preventing the possibility of an emergency injunction. But the 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.920 case will return to court this Friday. The Herald Son 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.880 reported today that in new documents lodged with the court, 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.320 the five member group wants the one point five to 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.320 five million dollar loan to be repaid in full, with 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.040 a declaration that the funds are held in trust for 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.440 the members of the Liberal Party. They also want the 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.600 court to declare that Vappold directors Alan Stockdale, a former 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:30.280 Victorian treasurer current party treasurer Karen Sobles and Christopher Pius 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.760 have acted in breach of trust by paying the funds 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:38.080 to the trust account of lawyers for Missus Deeming Giles George. 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.480 That would mean Misdeeming giving the money back and mister 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.640 pursuito they're knowing her again, which would most likely end 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.800 up in new bankruptcy proceedings that could force him out 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.760 of parliament. Sources close to the case told the paper 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.920 that it could go on for as long as twelve months, 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.000 which is the last thing the Liberal Party needs, because 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.920 there's a state election in November next year and they'd 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:00.960 like to think that they'd have a chance of finally 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:05.080 running Andrews turn Allen government out of town. Some senior 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.520 Liberals certainly hope this loan would be the end of 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.560 the matter and that they'd be able to get on 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.280 with trying to win an election, but that's certainly not 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.120 how it's played out, and they have no one to 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.440 blame but themselves. Fancy thinking that you could just bail 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.640 out a former leader who's trashed and defamed one of 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.360 his own MP's exiled her from the party and that 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.400 there wouldn't be a backlash from members and donors and 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:30.400 party officials. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.920 I mean, these are the people who. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.840 Pay their hard earned money for the benefit of the party, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.160 and they do that so the party can succeed, so 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.640 it can win elections, not so it can protect dopey 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.640 men like Pursuito, who's done a great deal to hurt 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.840 the Victorian Liberal Party in recent years and may will 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.360 be the reason that they lose their fourth election on 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.600 the trot because you just know Labor is going to 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.040 bring all of this stuff out and all the dirty 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.520 laundry that was aired during the defamation case come out 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.280 again when the campaign starts, and I'm sure the proponents 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.920 of this loan will be screaming and carrying on and 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.680 accusing Colin Harken and co. Of tearing the party apart, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.960 But they may want to reflect on the fact that 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.360 it was mister Pursuito who tore the party apart when 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.720 he decided to wrongly accuse Miss Deeming of being connected 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.440 to neo Nazis after she spoke at a women's rights rally. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.200 It was mister Pursuito who tore the party apart when 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.400 he then moved for her to be kicked out of 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.600 the party. It was mister pursuito who made matters worse 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.200 when he refused to settle. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.680 The matter for one hundred rand and instead. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.600 Let it go to trial, which is what led to 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.560 this massive debt and a court case where Liberal front 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:46.200 benches gave evidence against their own then leader. And for 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:50.880 all this, the party rewards him by saving him from bankruptcy. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.720 They should have just let him go bankrupt and forced 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.280 a buy election, because let's be honest, if they're worried 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.840 about the fact that they could lose a by election, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.120 I mean, they really think that Pursuto would be able 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.440 to defend his seat next year after all this carry on. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:12.839 He's the one who caused this mess in the first place. Well, 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.240 the quad meeting has wrapped up and lots of lingering questions. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.760 Penny Wong didn't do his self any favors with the 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.319 media rounds afterwards. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.360 We can't secure a meeting between our leaders. There has 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.480 been no tariff deal. Are you concerned? 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.480 I think that the Trump administration and President Trump has 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:34.760 made very clear to the world that he envisages a 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.760 different role for America in the world. I was very 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.400 grateful that the Secretary again express his regret for the 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.000 meeting that was scheduled for the G seven having to 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:44.760 be rescheduled. 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:49.040 He did Marco Rubio guarantee that August will go ahead. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.079 I think we both understand the importance to both our 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.160 countries and to the United Kingdom, and you would have 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.840 seen what Secretary Rubio has previously said. The issue of 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.800 Australia's defense budget was not raised with me, either in 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.760 the Quad or in my Bilatural meeting. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.360 Not one hundred percent sure what she's managed to achieve. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.480 I'm not sure she is either with me now. Is 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.800 labor Legend Graham Richardson and DPG Advisory Solutions founded David 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.360 Gazzard Richo. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.280 I mean, it doesn't sound like. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.240 The chats were overly productive, perhaps friendly, but what really 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:25.040 came out of this. 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:27.040 Not a whole lot. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.760 I think I'd have to concede. I think we'd all 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.800 have liked to have seen a little more come out. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:37.200 But you know Trump, dealing with the Trump administration is 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.680 an incredibly difficult thing. Rubio himself, I think it's probably 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.240 a pretty good fellow. It always looks to me to 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.160 be slightly out of his death. I think they need 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.400 better cattle than they've got in some of these positions. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.360 But Ruby O, David is close to the president to 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.520 not come out of this meeting with a future meeting 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.240 date set down to meet with the president, and it 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:01.280 is surely a failure. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.600 Well it's not. It doesn't look good. I'm not going 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:06.240 to defend that. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.600 But you know what Trump's like, I've been trying to 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.520 deal with that administration is really pot luck. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.200 One day you're going well, the next day you're not, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:16.640 and you never know why. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.000 It's an incredibly difficult job that Penny Wong's got. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.840 I do not envy her task at all. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.000 Your view, David, Well, the other members of the quad 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.079 have all got meetings. That's the truth to it. And 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.400 I think Graham is overlooking the point that we've got 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.680 an ambassador in Washington that has personally denigrated the president 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.880 and he is the key lynch pin in trying to 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.640 secure a meeting with the president. Now, Penny Wong says 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.280 America has changed. That is true, but the other countries 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:55.040 have all managed to secure meetings, and they probably don't 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.840 have the lead in their saddlebags are having an ambassador 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.720 that's personally attacked the president, and most of the cabinet, 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:07.400 including the Prime Minister himself. So these are not good omens. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:11.000 And we've already heard over the course of the week 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:16.200 the President's polster because we heard this before election from 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.520 one of his former chief of staff that they've got 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.240 a target on Kevin Rudd. So I think Anthony Albneazi 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:27.479 faces an invidious choice here to withdraw his handpicked ambassador 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.440 in the interests of the of the Alliance, or to 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.320 leave it there and Australia doesn't get a meeting. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:35.320 That's true. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.160 The only thing we'd have to consider though is if 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.480 they moved right on, he might come back to Australia 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.080 and then we'd have to deal within here. So I'm 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.439 not sure whether that's good for us either, to be honest. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.680 Part of the reason though, that things may not have 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.320 gone as well as they should have, is that she 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.840 took it upon herself while she was over there, Penny 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.760 Wong to gift Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State a 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.440 Port Adelaide, Guernsey. He's got all the trimmings, it's got 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.960 his name number one and all this sort of stuff. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.480 You know, rich O, I know you're probably an NRL man, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.240 being from New South Wales, but I'm from RSA and 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.040 I'm an Adelaide crows man, and I know Chris Kenny, 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.040 if he's watching, will be feeling exactly the same as me. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.560 This is an absolute disgrace of all the things Penny 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.600 Wong has ever done. To give a port Adelaide guernsey 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.120 to the US Secretary of State is so offensive. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.360 Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. There should have been a 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.480 sin George rug Jersey and I would be applauded. 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.200 And my girlfriend would agree with you on that count too. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.320 I should note that Alexander Downer did exactly the same 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.280 thing in two thousand and five, but with a crows Gundi. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.240 So I guess they're balancing the Ledger now. Quantus was 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.480 hit by a major cyber attack today. The personal information 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:50.360 of six million customers, names, birthdays, phone numbers, email addresses 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.320 have all been breached. Thankfully, David, there was no credit 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.760 card information or passports being passed on. I think most 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.600 of this comes from their quarters Frequent Flyer pro but 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.400 it seems like every second day now we see one 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.000 of these cases where there is a hack, a significant 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.800 hack on large amounts of user data that then ends 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.320 up on the dark web and sold for nefarious purposes. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.520 We have to be seriously careful about this stuff. Will 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.960 ask the question, why do we keep handing so much 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:25.640 data over for free? It's so valuable, that's why people 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:26.400 keep hacking it. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.840 Well, this is I agree with you on that, Caleb. 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.880 You're almost forced to You don't have a choice. Sign 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.880 up to a new bank account, you get to a restaurant, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.240 you order a meal with a QR code. They're collecting 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.880 your data. But what you don't know is the safety 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.880 of that data. So if you're going to move into 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.840 the next frontier and jump into the next frontier and 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:53.560 offer these AI driven solutions and tech solutions, you've got 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.880 to have the capability of protecting people's data, no doubt 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.920 about that. The government keeps threatening a big stick on this, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.560 but there seems to be no unified effort to force 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:13.600 big corporates in particular that do store valuable information with 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:20.040 the threats to make them update their cybersecurity controls. So 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.400 you know, in the case of Connis today, they've promised there, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.520 well they're going to go out and review all of 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.200 their call centers because this one seems to have happened 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.760 through Philippines. But that should have happened that this is 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:36.400 part and parcel of running a serious international business. You 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.560 are going to be under cyber attack. It is just 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:45.160 the new cost of doing business. So you know, at 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.040 some point, I think we need practical guidelines from the 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.160 government about what the minimum standards are for companies that 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.720 are in this space, so that customers and voters everywhere 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.960 can have the confidence that their data is protected. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.800 And of course, Richo, the the Fedial government wants to 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.880 bring in all these age verifications for social media etc. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:09.040 Very soon, and that will involve private companies collecting biometric 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.159 data and god knows what happens to it after that. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.280 I mean, the amount of stuff that these companies have 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.520 on us now is obscene and seemingly there's no real 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:18.360 protection of it. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.160 I think a lot of these companies know more about 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:22.399 us than we know ourselves. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:27.040 I mean, it's quite terrifying the amount of data that 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.680 they've been able to collect on individuals. I don't think 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.280 you consider out anymore and talk about privacy because we 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.879 have very little left and with each day it seems 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:40.880 to be eroading more. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.280 Yeah, look, this should be front and center for governments, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.560 but it just doesn't seem to be creecket Australia. Goodness, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.480 they've decided to be politically correct again. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:52.680 Second year in a row. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.440 There won't be a game on Australia Day next year, 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.400 which is only the second time. It should be noted 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.600 in thirty one years that they haven't had anything on 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:01.400 Australia Day. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:03.120 But they're a bit tricky about it. 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.880 They insist it isn't about Australia Day because they say 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.720 that if the Big Bash Final is washed out the 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.360 night before the Sunday, the twenty fifth, then they'll play 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.560 it on Australia Day instead, So they claim, David, they 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:17.880 have no issue with. 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.399 Australia Day whatsoever. But it seems a. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.439 Little convenient that for nearly thirty years you have matches, 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.639 whether they're tests, then one days and eventually t twenties 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.400 on Australia Day, and then the last two years, when 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.600 things are heating up, not there. 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:38.520 Anymore, the Boxing Day tests, the Australia Day test. Icons 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.359 of Australia will get the fact that there's a group 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.359 of Australians who feel aggrieved by this, but we also 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.639 get the fact that we've had a referendum about treating 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:54.160 people differently and most Australians have rejected that idea. Now 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.960 you can be sensitive towards the views of our Indigenous 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:04.560 brothers and sisters without having to stop playing a cricket game. 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.800 I mean, it's a day of unifying all Australians, no 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:13.359 matter what race, creed or color. Playing a sporting game 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.240 on Australia Day I just I mean you kind of 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:23.200 weep over the pointless virtue see signaling of our sporting codes. Thankfully, 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.879 it appears to me that we've sort of crossed that 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.719 rubicon and people are starting to underwind those positions and 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.800 they're listening to the view of the majority, and the majority, 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.959 you know, to want to support Australia Day and they 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.040 want to support things like the Australia Day Test. 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.240 Yeah, they should have the Australia Day Test back in 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.880 Adelaide where it belongs, I reckon rich O. The New 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.240 South Wales Liberal members are weighing up whether to fund 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.560 a court challenge and indignified Bradfield candidate Zill Capteriian in 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.520 a bit to have her failed election result overturned and 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.160 a prompt buy election in the country's most marginal seat 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.360 that's directly from the Sydney Morning Herald today. The some 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.800 members are apparently lobbying the party to challenge it in 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:08.080 the Small Claims Court, sorry, at the Court of Disputed Returns, 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.320 because of course there was a recount and then the 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.840 seat went to nicol Itt Buller, the Teal seat. 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:16.200 Why would you bother? 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.360 I mean, surely they're on a hiding to nothing if 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.160 they try to challenge this in court. They've had the recount, 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:22.280 it came back with the result. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:28.159 Yeah, I think you're wasting your time. Look, when you 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.600 look at a seat like Bradfield, it is extraordinary that 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:35.000 we're even talking about it. If you drive around Bradfield, 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:37.760 trying to imagine how the Liberals don't win it by 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:43.680 our country mile is very difficult. It's the kind of 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.600 the seat that you'd think they'd be getting seventy five 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:50.520 percent of every time. I don't understand what's happened to 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.720 the Liberal vote in Bradfield, but obviously an awful lot 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:56.440 of people have lost confidence in them. 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.520 Now that suits me to say, I admitted, but it's 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:00.679 a fact that Well. 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.560 Just quickly before we go, gents, I'll ask you about 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:08.640 you know, Kanye West, controversial American rapper Tony Burke said 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.639 today that his Australian visa had been canceled because he 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.680 released a song called Hale Hitler, and of course his 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.399 wife is Australian, so he apparently had a visa that 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.679 meant he could sort of come and go from Australia 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:20.440 as he likes. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.880 Richo. Correct decision, I'd. 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.920 Say, so, Look, I don't think we need this fella. 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.480 You know, I don't know problems in Australia. Why import 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.280 another one? The guy? 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.040 I mean, I can use the crude expression the guy 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:37.560 is a dickhead. Everyone knows that. 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:39.080