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Speaker 2: For the record.

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Speaker 3: I'm done trying to make you uncomfortable for the record.

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Speaker 3: You ain't trying to grow downer stuff for.

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Speaker 2: Your right for the record.

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Speaker 4: Stuff for the record, for the record, for the for

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Speaker 4: the record, for the record, for the record, for the record,

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Speaker 3: I don't try and make you uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Rack.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the Clink twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: What a year this year is going to be and

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Speaker 1: it's kicking off with Season seventeen of The Clink. I

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Speaker 1: can to enable everybody out there to make the best

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Speaker 1: have your best life. This season is specifically targeting at

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Speaker 1: making sure that we are able to give you the

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Speaker 1: tools to better at yourself and chase your dreams. Today's

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Speaker 1: guest is a wonderful guest. He is a man that

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Speaker 1: I actually truly am inspired by. He is what you

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Speaker 1: would call a fighter. And when I say a fighter,

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Speaker 1: this man has literally jumped the ropes. He has fought

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Speaker 1: the best of the best and he today teaches people

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Speaker 1: how to be the best they can be. Here's a

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Speaker 1: mindset coach, mindset mentor let me correct myself.

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Speaker 5: His name is Iggy McGowan. Iggy, Welcome to the Clink.

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Speaker 2: What an intro. Thanks Brand, It's great to be here, mate,

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Speaker 5: I look, I'm gonna be straight to the punch here.

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Speaker 5: I've gotten to know I knew of.

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Speaker 1: You for many men many years through muy Thai and

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Speaker 1: the wonderful things that you have achieved, and not only that,

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Speaker 1: that are absolutely wonderful humans and doing.

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Speaker 5: Some amazing things in this world.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that you'll be able to share with

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Speaker 5: And I really, I'm truly inspired.

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Speaker 1: So having you on today, I feel is something that

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Speaker 1: will bring so much value to other people's lives and

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Speaker 2: We can achieve anything.

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Speaker 1: That we want to be the best we can be.

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Speaker 1: I truly love the fact that you're not the silver

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Speaker 5: But there is a true story.

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Speaker 1: Behind Iddie McGowan, one that when I say the word fighter,

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Speaker 1: you have been fighting pretty much all your life to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, indeed. So I think that's a good analysis

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Speaker 2: of my life up until this point. And yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: that's ultimately why I'm so passionate about my work, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and that's what brings us here today because

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Speaker 5: Hasn't always been perfect for you?

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Speaker 1: Was always more than the when you say street fighting,

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Speaker 1: it's was always seen as the dirty sport, the eight limbs,

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Speaker 2: And that's why it was so appealing, you know. To me,

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Speaker 2: International Kickbox of magazines. That was just that was it?

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Speaker 2: So at school I was I was quite popular. Schoolwork

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Speaker 1: Our family, Sorry, can I just can I just ask

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Speaker 1: part of that structure, the building. Yeah, the caretakers I

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Speaker 1: believe your family were at this particular orphanage. Can we

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Speaker 2: And yeah, look, so that that orphanage, Saint John's Orphanage

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Speaker 2: so it had been. It wasn't running so big, old

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Speaker 2: great memories of the orphanage. So we loved it, you know,

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Speaker 5: Able to play sid eerie. Was it something that made

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Speaker 5: Instantly I was like, yeah, haunted house sort of feel.

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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you this, brent On the I stayed

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Speaker 5: I have no doubt.

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Speaker 5: That's how old was it.

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Speaker 1: How I looked, And like you talk about Golden so

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Speaker 1: those that don't know Goldben, it's got some cooh some history,

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Speaker 1: both good, bad and ugly, and it is this. It

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Speaker 7: Very very cold, yeah, very eerie, and to be in

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Speaker 7: such And this is why I just wanted to touch

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Speaker 7: on it, because it captured me in your short post,

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Speaker 7: not only about why and the purpose of the post.

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Speaker 1: Which you know, I'll allow you to continue that conversation,

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Speaker 1: but just that grab of you know, the story and

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Speaker 1: being a child that grew up in foster care. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't help but think of some of the atrocities that

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Speaker 1: the things, and to me instantly. Being a spiritual man also,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't help but think, surely there's got to be

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Speaker 2: And so there were like we made it, we made

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Speaker 2: it great. Like while we were there, it was you know,

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Speaker 2: as I said, many really fond memories of that place

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Speaker 2: we just didn't go like we it was our home

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Speaker 2: once we'd been to it. There was just a dark

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Speaker 5: Why, because you.

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Speaker 1: I'm big on everybody has something to do. There's a

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Speaker 5: That to me is what we're about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, and so I think that

436
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Speaker 2: significance is a big driving force of you know why

437
00:24:02,801 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: there are some of these things that you gave examples of.

438
00:24:05,921 --> 00:24:09,441
Speaker 2: I just keep the focus on my intention, what I'm

439
00:24:09,441 --> 00:24:12,001
Speaker 2: here to do, and I just thought it was an

440
00:24:12,041 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: interesting observation of yours, which it was spot on. But now,

441
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,041
Speaker 2: as I said, over the last couple of years, I

442
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: find that it is time to share it more. As

443
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: I said, I've always shared it with anyone that I

444
00:24:25,961 --> 00:24:28,161
Speaker 2: work with, but to be able to put it out

445
00:24:28,201 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: there online because there's new people always coming across my content,

446
00:24:33,001 --> 00:24:36,041
Speaker 2: and I just want to be able to share with

447
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: people my underlying main message, which is if I can

448
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,121
Speaker 2: do it, so can you. That's the thing. And if

449
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: I'm not special, anything I've been able to do, you

450
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,681
Speaker 2: can do it. Also, if you accept responsibility and you

451
00:24:50,961 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: commit to the process, you can absolutely turn everything around

452
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: and come back from rock bottom.

453
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Speaker 1: And I love that and I think sometimes, you know,

454
00:24:58,441 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: you really do have to hit rock bottom to realize

455
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: that life is great and that we can achieve whatever

456
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,281
Speaker 1: we put ourselves out there to desire, whether it be

457
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,161
Speaker 1: through you know, hard work or just.

458
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Speaker 6: Being a good human and being a family pan, a woman.

459
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Speaker 5: A father.

460
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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's endless and I feel that so

461
00:25:20,041 --> 00:25:25,121
Speaker 1: many people out there today and look, it's okay because

462
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: we've both been there, and I feel that, you know,

463
00:25:29,521 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: we give up sometimes too easy. I mean, it's not

464
00:25:32,041 --> 00:25:35,481
Speaker 1: in this to give up, but I have been. I've

465
00:25:35,481 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: given up on things in the past until learning that

466
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Speaker 1: giving up is not an option. You know, finding a

467
00:25:42,321 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: way through or around it is how we need to

468
00:25:46,481 --> 00:25:49,321
Speaker 1: work with it rather than to coming to the fact

469
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: that I can't or it won't. Is this is a

470
00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: language that we need to really start to correct. And

471
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,961
Speaker 1: I feel that if we're able to inspire others through

472
00:25:58,961 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: what we're doing here today and giving people those tools.

473
00:26:02,721 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter where you are and what

474
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,761
Speaker 1: stage in life, whether you're younger and you're just testing

475
00:26:07,801 --> 00:26:10,561
Speaker 1: the waters, whether you're deep in the shit, or whether

476
00:26:10,561 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: you're on the back end of it, you know, looking

477
00:26:12,201 --> 00:26:14,521
Speaker 1: for that light and wanting to just try and make

478
00:26:14,761 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: your life better. Yeah, you know, these tools, if you will,

479
00:26:19,241 --> 00:26:21,201
Speaker 1: are tools that everybody can use.

480
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly and just being able to notice an opportunity

481
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: and act on it, knowing that change is possible, you know.

482
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:31,001
Speaker 2: I know that, say, even back then, as that young

483
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,521
Speaker 2: kid that was in Goldwen that then an opportunity presented,

484
00:26:34,561 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: which was that our family was going to relocate to Wogger.

485
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: My dad had gotten a job opportunity there. So the

486
00:26:39,921 --> 00:26:43,321
Speaker 2: family is going to pack up and move. And to me,

487
00:26:43,561 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: I didn't care that it meant having to start, you know,

488
00:26:47,201 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: at a new school and having to build friends again.

489
00:26:51,001 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: None of that mattered to me. I was like, this

490
00:26:53,561 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 2: is my opportunity to find a Muay Thai trainer. I

491
00:26:56,481 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: might find one bigger town. You know, there's a chance.

492
00:27:00,001 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: So once we moved that in that first few days,

493
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Speaker 2: once my mum got a chance, she ran me around

494
00:27:07,001 --> 00:27:10,801
Speaker 2: town all day long. And I've been through the yellow

495
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: pages back when they had yellow pages, and I looked

496
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,041
Speaker 2: at it that said for exactly, looked up, looked up

497
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,041
Speaker 2: any anywhere where there might be a muy Thai gym

498
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,521
Speaker 2: or trainer. I couldn't see anything. They had kickboxing, judo,

499
00:27:28,281 --> 00:27:31,441
Speaker 2: not kickboxing, The had karate, judo, taekwondo, you name it.

500
00:27:32,001 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 2: But I couldn't see anything listed, but she drove me

501
00:27:35,441 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: around all day long. We went to every PC y C,

502
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: every gym. After the whole day, we finally pulled up

503
00:27:42,481 --> 00:27:45,401
Speaker 2: at the last gym. We've been everywhere in town all

504
00:27:45,481 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: day and she said, look done and this will have

505
00:27:47,281 --> 00:27:50,241
Speaker 2: to be the last place. I said, okay. I went in.

506
00:27:50,681 --> 00:27:53,121
Speaker 2: It was called Workout Gym in Wagga. As I get

507
00:27:53,201 --> 00:27:55,281
Speaker 2: up near the counter, I see a business card that

508
00:27:55,321 --> 00:28:00,641
Speaker 2: says boxing, kickboxing, muay Thai, Jason Lightning Lee, Maximum Impact.

509
00:28:00,521 --> 00:28:02,281
Speaker 5: And this is back like this is this is a

510
00:28:02,281 --> 00:28:02,921
Speaker 5: long time ago.

511
00:28:03,001 --> 00:28:07,121
Speaker 1: So for those that don't know mouytai, like we said earlier,

512
00:28:07,281 --> 00:28:10,041
Speaker 1: it wasn't something that you would find just everywhere. You

513
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,241
Speaker 1: could go to the pcyse and throw on the gloves

514
00:28:12,281 --> 00:28:14,241
Speaker 1: and there was plenty of boxes and plenty of people

515
00:28:14,241 --> 00:28:17,761
Speaker 1: that will have a crack yep. But moy Thai for

516
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,001
Speaker 1: what it is, it was. It was a drop in

517
00:28:21,041 --> 00:28:22,801
Speaker 1: the ocean for where we are.

518
00:28:23,041 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't exactly made. And so I got this

519
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: business card and I went back out and I felt

520
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: like Charlie and the Chocolate Factor with the Golden ticket.

521
00:28:31,441 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I found it. I found it, and

522
00:28:34,201 --> 00:28:36,001
Speaker 2: I got in the car and I was like, oh good,

523
00:28:36,001 --> 00:28:39,001
Speaker 2: and then so that was it. I gave Jason a

524
00:28:39,081 --> 00:28:42,841
Speaker 2: call and started training with him, you know, the next week,

525
00:28:42,921 --> 00:28:46,281
Speaker 2: and to me, I was like this, this is it,

526
00:28:46,401 --> 00:28:48,961
Speaker 2: Like I finally met someone. This is the thing. When

527
00:28:49,001 --> 00:28:52,641
Speaker 2: I met my trainer, Jason, who ended up being an

528
00:28:52,641 --> 00:28:57,681
Speaker 2: older brother figure and best friend, it was like meeting

529
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Speaker 2: someone that finally understood me. Before that, I'd felt like

530
00:29:01,641 --> 00:29:04,721
Speaker 2: I was an alien. I didn't think anyone understood me

531
00:29:04,761 --> 00:29:08,241
Speaker 2: at all. I didn't connect with anyone. And then with him,

532
00:29:08,281 --> 00:29:11,001
Speaker 2: I was like, he gets me and I get him,

533
00:29:11,241 --> 00:29:13,841
Speaker 2: and I just loved it. I'd train four hours a day,

534
00:29:13,841 --> 00:29:17,041
Speaker 2: two hours in the morning, two hours after school. Started

535
00:29:17,081 --> 00:29:22,401
Speaker 2: fighting a year later at sixteen, and at that time

536
00:29:22,521 --> 00:29:25,881
Speaker 2: they only had like they had weight division. I never

537
00:29:25,881 --> 00:29:28,521
Speaker 2: saw anyone else my age or even close to my

538
00:29:28,641 --> 00:29:31,641
Speaker 2: age on the circuit. It was on these shows. It

539
00:29:31,721 --> 00:29:34,281
Speaker 2: was just men, and I loved it for that reason.

540
00:29:34,601 --> 00:29:36,401
Speaker 2: I think that it's really good these days that they

541
00:29:36,441 --> 00:29:39,321
Speaker 2: have all these different avenues into the sport. You can

542
00:29:39,321 --> 00:29:41,841
Speaker 2: get matched up around other kids your age. I think

543
00:29:41,841 --> 00:29:44,761
Speaker 2: that's all great. However, I wouldn't change it for the world.

544
00:29:45,441 --> 00:29:47,281
Speaker 2: How I was able to come up. I mean I'd

545
00:29:47,321 --> 00:29:49,641
Speaker 2: be standing in there looking across the ring at this

546
00:29:50,201 --> 00:29:54,681
Speaker 2: tattooed up man and then I'd knock him out. And

547
00:29:54,801 --> 00:29:57,721
Speaker 2: I would be like, yes, knocking men out.

548
00:29:57,561 --> 00:30:00,361
Speaker 1: But what about the giant you ended up fighting years lady?

549
00:30:00,521 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that just puts it all in perspective. I

550
00:30:03,201 --> 00:30:05,321
Speaker 1: can't wait for you to share that little moment, because

551
00:30:05,321 --> 00:30:08,721
Speaker 1: for everybody that's listening, when Iggy speaks about fighting men

552
00:30:08,921 --> 00:30:13,081
Speaker 1: and being a younger, I guess adolescent, it really did

553
00:30:13,481 --> 00:30:15,081
Speaker 1: come into play in your whole.

554
00:30:15,361 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Scripture, It really did, you know. I always loved that

555
00:30:19,201 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: taking on the greater challenge and doing the things that

556
00:30:22,801 --> 00:30:25,201
Speaker 2: others didn't want to do, the things that people feared.

557
00:30:25,321 --> 00:30:28,081
Speaker 2: I'd look at that and I'd go, Yep, that's for me.

558
00:30:28,561 --> 00:30:31,041
Speaker 2: That's for me. So we will come to that one.

559
00:30:31,441 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: I guess when when when training with Jason, it was

560
00:30:34,801 --> 00:30:38,801
Speaker 2: that was really the foundation of my mindset still to

561
00:30:38,841 --> 00:30:44,841
Speaker 2: this day, meaning the discipline, the conditioning, the doing the

562
00:30:44,921 --> 00:30:48,561
Speaker 2: hard thing and really just having control over that voice

563
00:30:48,601 --> 00:30:50,681
Speaker 2: in the head and not giving up just putting in

564
00:30:50,721 --> 00:30:53,961
Speaker 2: the work. I mean, the training with him was extreme,

565
00:30:54,481 --> 00:30:58,121
Speaker 2: where As I said, it's like four hours a day training.

566
00:30:58,161 --> 00:31:02,481
Speaker 2: But he was one hundred and ten kilos, like ripped machine,

567
00:31:02,761 --> 00:31:08,601
Speaker 2: and yourself exactly looked exactly like you. I was just

568
00:31:08,641 --> 00:31:14,041
Speaker 2: about to say that, and yeah and yeah, humble anyway,

569
00:31:14,281 --> 00:31:17,801
Speaker 2: And so when sparring at the time, at that age,

570
00:31:17,881 --> 00:31:20,881
Speaker 2: I was I was fighting at sixty nine kilos and

571
00:31:22,361 --> 00:31:25,641
Speaker 2: he's one hundred and ten and when sparring, he he

572
00:31:25,681 --> 00:31:28,361
Speaker 2: wouldn't hold back, and it was it was really just

573
00:31:28,401 --> 00:31:33,001
Speaker 2: about survival. But what it did was I just knew

574
00:31:33,041 --> 00:31:37,081
Speaker 2: that sparring him, I could walk through people my weight

575
00:31:37,441 --> 00:31:39,481
Speaker 2: if I could take the shots that he was trying

576
00:31:39,561 --> 00:31:42,881
Speaker 2: and give it back, then when it got in against

577
00:31:42,881 --> 00:31:45,481
Speaker 2: anyone my weight, bank it's fine, they can't hurt me.

578
00:31:45,641 --> 00:31:48,721
Speaker 2: It can't hurt me. And that was something that because

579
00:31:49,001 --> 00:31:53,681
Speaker 2: to me, that was my first real training with muy

580
00:31:53,681 --> 00:31:56,281
Speaker 2: Thai with fighting, I just thought that's just what you

581
00:31:56,361 --> 00:31:58,921
Speaker 2: had to do, like it was to me, that was

582
00:31:58,961 --> 00:32:03,081
Speaker 2: the norm. It wasn't until years later that I found

583
00:32:03,121 --> 00:32:06,401
Speaker 2: out the extreme nature of the training that we did.

584
00:32:06,441 --> 00:32:08,081
Speaker 2: I mean we had you know, we've got the raft

585
00:32:08,121 --> 00:32:10,841
Speaker 2: based down there in wag We had some says guys

586
00:32:10,881 --> 00:32:12,801
Speaker 2: come and do some training with us one time, and

587
00:32:13,041 --> 00:32:16,641
Speaker 2: after like two days. They just said that's sick, and

588
00:32:16,761 --> 00:32:19,441
Speaker 2: not cool sick. They said, that's sick. They said, that's

589
00:32:20,041 --> 00:32:22,681
Speaker 2: what you're what you're going through, what you'll be that's

590
00:32:22,681 --> 00:32:25,401
Speaker 2: harder than the training that we've done. And we'd have

591
00:32:25,481 --> 00:32:28,201
Speaker 2: these other you know, so called hard men from town

592
00:32:28,241 --> 00:32:30,081
Speaker 2: that had come and do some you know, a couple

593
00:32:30,121 --> 00:32:32,521
Speaker 2: of days training with us here and there, and that

594
00:32:32,761 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: drop off. No one would stick with him, whereas I

595
00:32:35,721 --> 00:32:39,041
Speaker 2: wouldn't let him break me. And you know, many years

596
00:32:39,081 --> 00:32:42,041
Speaker 2: later he said to me, the things I used to

597
00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:46,681
Speaker 2: set for you, he said, I I was like, I'd

598
00:32:46,721 --> 00:32:49,361
Speaker 2: stay up at night and draw it all up and

599
00:32:49,401 --> 00:32:51,881
Speaker 2: I'd think, this will fucking do it, and he goes.

600
00:32:51,761 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: And then it was all Strategici. It was like the

601
00:32:55,441 --> 00:32:57,561
Speaker 5: art of war, the art of wards.

602
00:32:57,561 --> 00:33:00,281
Speaker 2: Are breaking him the gown exactly, and you just kept

603
00:33:00,281 --> 00:33:03,641
Speaker 2: doing everything and so anyway, but but look, it was

604
00:33:03,761 --> 00:33:07,161
Speaker 2: I'm really grateful for for those years. Had a lot

605
00:33:07,161 --> 00:33:08,921
Speaker 2: of success in a short amount of time, a lot

606
00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:11,961
Speaker 2: of fights over a couple of years, won a couple

607
00:33:12,041 --> 00:33:18,161
Speaker 2: of titles, and when training and when fighting in camp,

608
00:33:19,161 --> 00:33:24,121
Speaker 2: I felt on track. I wasn't thinking about killing myself.

609
00:33:24,161 --> 00:33:26,921
Speaker 2: I was I had a sense of purpose and that piece,

610
00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:30,401
Speaker 2: that level of peace because I was present often because

611
00:33:30,641 --> 00:33:35,321
Speaker 2: I'm constantly training, constantly hard, sparring, constantly fighting, so I'm

612
00:33:35,361 --> 00:33:38,481
Speaker 2: present and when present, there's no problems. So that was

613
00:33:38,521 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: all good and well. However, there is, of course the

614
00:33:41,241 --> 00:33:44,681
Speaker 2: crossover with the criminal world that's always been there with

615
00:33:44,721 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: the fight scene, and I was drawn to it. So

616
00:33:48,881 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: if there was a break in between fights, you know,

617
00:33:51,481 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: I started doing some jobs in that world, whether I

618
00:33:54,281 --> 00:33:58,681
Speaker 2: was dealing debt, collecting, standing over people. It just came naturally,

619
00:33:58,881 --> 00:33:59,521
Speaker 2: if you could.

620
00:33:59,361 --> 00:34:01,241
Speaker 5: Say, when hand in hand, it really did.

621
00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:05,921
Speaker 2: And so so that was that, And and after a

622
00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:08,321
Speaker 2: couple of years of fighting, I felt like a burned

623
00:34:08,361 --> 00:34:12,161
Speaker 2: out racehorse because I'd just been doing one after the

624
00:34:12,161 --> 00:34:14,121
Speaker 2: other after the other, and it was all very good

625
00:34:15,081 --> 00:34:17,681
Speaker 2: and they were through, you know, those years of sixteen seventeen,

626
00:34:17,721 --> 00:34:20,601
Speaker 2: eight a nineteen, So I felt like I'd missed out

627
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:22,921
Speaker 2: on a lot of different things with you know, making

628
00:34:22,961 --> 00:34:27,161
Speaker 2: sacrificing of different school parties and all of that. So

629
00:34:27,881 --> 00:34:30,921
Speaker 2: I made up for it. I had some time off

630
00:34:30,961 --> 00:34:37,481
Speaker 2: fighting and went heavily into partying, you know, raves and whatnot.

631
00:34:38,121 --> 00:34:41,001
Speaker 2: And there was there's destruction.

632
00:34:40,841 --> 00:34:43,401
Speaker 5: Coming along with that, lots of the hangers in good times.

633
00:34:44,321 --> 00:34:46,401
Speaker 2: There definitely was what it was. Yeah, there was. There

634
00:34:46,441 --> 00:34:48,401
Speaker 2: was a lot of And what I didn't realize at

635
00:34:48,441 --> 00:34:51,401
Speaker 2: the time was that it was self medicating. You know,

636
00:34:51,441 --> 00:34:53,761
Speaker 2: That's that's ultimately what it was, because it's not like

637
00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:58,001
Speaker 2: I would feel any any extreme high again, it was

638
00:34:58,081 --> 00:35:01,241
Speaker 2: just that same that level of peace that I got

639
00:35:01,601 --> 00:35:04,801
Speaker 2: from fighting, but I was doing it in this destructive way.

640
00:35:05,761 --> 00:35:08,761
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what go back then, and I

641
00:35:08,761 --> 00:35:10,881
Speaker 1: think this is relevant to what you're saying. We didn't

642
00:35:10,921 --> 00:35:16,441
Speaker 1: look at it or know of it being self medicating.

643
00:35:16,481 --> 00:35:18,401
Speaker 1: It was just what we did.

644
00:35:18,641 --> 00:35:19,441
Speaker 2: It was a good time.

645
00:35:19,641 --> 00:35:22,081
Speaker 1: It was just you know, like I remember the underground Racene,

646
00:35:22,121 --> 00:35:22,961
Speaker 1: especially in Sydney.

647
00:35:23,081 --> 00:35:24,761
Speaker 5: It was epic, you know, like.

648
00:35:25,361 --> 00:35:28,121
Speaker 1: Seeing DJ's play on two decks and three decks for

649
00:35:28,161 --> 00:35:29,961
Speaker 1: the first time. Like I mean, people wouldn't even know

650
00:35:30,001 --> 00:35:31,721
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, because I don't even think that

651
00:35:31,801 --> 00:35:34,361
Speaker 1: you know, that that would even phase someone today to

652
00:35:34,401 --> 00:35:36,921
Speaker 1: see George Vegas playing on two Dixon Peewee.

653
00:35:36,881 --> 00:35:43,401
Speaker 8: Decks, Pewey Ferris and and sneaking into these underground Redfern

654
00:35:43,441 --> 00:35:45,841
Speaker 8: and Ultimow And remember he used to have the double

655
00:35:45,841 --> 00:35:47,641
Speaker 8: O double five number, and you'd be in the city

656
00:35:47,681 --> 00:35:49,241
Speaker 8: and you have to go to the public telephone and

657
00:35:49,521 --> 00:35:51,561
Speaker 8: everybody'd have this number and the window would.

658
00:35:51,321 --> 00:35:54,001
Speaker 1: Be like an hour for a location and he'd punch

659
00:35:54,041 --> 00:35:55,841
Speaker 1: it in the next minute to be like a hundred

660
00:35:55,841 --> 00:35:58,441
Speaker 1: taxis up Oxford Street and all our way through the city.

661
00:35:58,481 --> 00:36:01,761
Speaker 1: And if he just trains and that was that was

662
00:36:01,841 --> 00:36:02,601
Speaker 1: just amazing.

663
00:36:02,681 --> 00:36:05,081
Speaker 5: And yes, they were the best mdm A pills. You

664
00:36:05,081 --> 00:36:07,121
Speaker 5: will have it. If you didn't have them, you'll never

665
00:36:07,161 --> 00:36:08,441
Speaker 5: have him again, So suck over.

666
00:36:08,641 --> 00:36:12,601
Speaker 2: But those raves wasn't about self medicating.

667
00:36:12,641 --> 00:36:13,921
Speaker 5: It was it was a good time.

668
00:36:14,121 --> 00:36:17,841
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was, and I think that like I

669
00:36:17,881 --> 00:36:20,641
Speaker 2: remember as you were saying some of that. I remember,

670
00:36:21,201 --> 00:36:24,281
Speaker 2: you know, after winning a title fight in Sydney, and

671
00:36:24,681 --> 00:36:27,401
Speaker 2: when we were training it was everything was one hundred

672
00:36:27,441 --> 00:36:31,841
Speaker 2: percent extreme discipline. There was no drinking, no mucking around.

673
00:36:31,881 --> 00:36:35,241
Speaker 2: But then it was train hard, party hard. So we'd

674
00:36:35,321 --> 00:36:38,881
Speaker 2: have that fight, camp, have the fight, and then we'd

675
00:36:38,961 --> 00:36:41,081
Speaker 2: have a two day bender so to be going out

676
00:36:41,121 --> 00:36:44,761
Speaker 2: in the cross. And I remember one great rave was Plastic,

677
00:36:44,921 --> 00:36:51,441
Speaker 2: this club underground and amazing and so really great. Yeah,

678
00:36:51,481 --> 00:36:54,881
Speaker 2: so I remember in the cross after having a fight

679
00:36:55,641 --> 00:36:57,841
Speaker 2: and then going out for a couple of days in

680
00:36:57,881 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: the cross and they'd have underground club plastic awesome rave

681
00:37:02,321 --> 00:37:05,921
Speaker 2: and it was it was really it was all great fun.

682
00:37:06,161 --> 00:37:09,841
Speaker 2: And to know, quite a young guy, I was, I

683
00:37:09,881 --> 00:37:12,121
Speaker 2: was like, look at this world, this is unreal. But

684
00:37:12,161 --> 00:37:14,241
Speaker 2: then as soon as we got back to town, be

685
00:37:14,521 --> 00:37:18,681
Speaker 2: straight back into Camp one hundred, no mucking around, just

686
00:37:19,201 --> 00:37:23,281
Speaker 2: everything about fighting again. So that was all really good

687
00:37:23,281 --> 00:37:25,961
Speaker 2: and well when I was training and fighting. But then,

688
00:37:26,001 --> 00:37:30,441
Speaker 2: as I said, after feeling burned out after having a

689
00:37:30,441 --> 00:37:33,041
Speaker 2: lot of fights, then had that time out of the

690
00:37:33,121 --> 00:37:36,801
Speaker 2: ring and that's where things started going downhill. And quite

691
00:37:36,841 --> 00:37:39,801
Speaker 2: quickly I was, you know, I was doing a lot

692
00:37:39,841 --> 00:37:43,441
Speaker 2: of this and that, and things in town were getting

693
00:37:43,521 --> 00:37:47,681
Speaker 2: very hot. So I moved over to Canberra for about

694
00:37:47,761 --> 00:37:50,321
Speaker 2: nine months and worked over their security at the American

695
00:37:50,361 --> 00:37:55,681
Speaker 2: embassy and in a couple of hotels, and then back

696
00:37:55,721 --> 00:38:00,601
Speaker 2: in Waga, Jason ended up getting put inside. He was

697
00:38:00,641 --> 00:38:04,881
Speaker 2: done for some firearm stuff and some home invasion, tying

698
00:38:04,961 --> 00:38:09,481
Speaker 2: up some drug dealers, that sort of thing. And I,

699
00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:12,681
Speaker 2: after being in in Canberra for that time, I thought,

700
00:38:12,721 --> 00:38:15,321
Speaker 2: you know what, I really need to get my act together.

701
00:38:15,641 --> 00:38:19,121
Speaker 2: I really need to straighten out. So I ended up

702
00:38:19,121 --> 00:38:21,641
Speaker 2: setting myself then to ASRock. I moved up to as

703
00:38:21,721 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: Rock for six months and worked in the resort there.

704
00:38:25,841 --> 00:38:27,441
Speaker 2: I wanted to get I wanted to get my people

705
00:38:27,561 --> 00:38:32,001
Speaker 2: skills back, and obviously wanted to be not using any drugs.

706
00:38:32,401 --> 00:38:37,161
Speaker 2: So went up there and just committed to just working training.

707
00:38:37,761 --> 00:38:40,641
Speaker 2: So that was all really good. Then after being there

708
00:38:40,641 --> 00:38:43,881
Speaker 2: in airs Rock, I went back to Wogga. I worked

709
00:38:43,881 --> 00:38:48,161
Speaker 2: in a call center, so call center and was back

710
00:38:48,201 --> 00:38:53,641
Speaker 2: in the room. Yeah, the phone, that's right, that's right.

711
00:38:54,881 --> 00:38:56,801
Speaker 5: I actually could be into that.

712
00:38:57,161 --> 00:39:01,441
Speaker 2: I was great at it, you know. I had a

713
00:39:01,441 --> 00:39:03,601
Speaker 2: great time there. It was to me, it was it

714
00:39:03,641 --> 00:39:06,881
Speaker 2: was all fun and games. Remember I'll see this. There

715
00:39:06,881 --> 00:39:09,601
Speaker 2: were so many people that took it way too seriously.

716
00:39:09,641 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: I'd see these these older women around my mum's age,

717
00:39:13,521 --> 00:39:17,081
Speaker 2: who they would be in tears because it was an

718
00:39:17,121 --> 00:39:20,721
Speaker 2: inbound center, so customers would call up and be complaining

719
00:39:20,761 --> 00:39:24,321
Speaker 2: about their bill and whatnot. And some people they're just rude,

720
00:39:24,361 --> 00:39:26,641
Speaker 2: aren't they. So you'd get these people calling up being

721
00:39:26,761 --> 00:39:32,001
Speaker 2: very aggressive, complaining and I'd see these women crying and

722
00:39:32,041 --> 00:39:35,481
Speaker 2: I'm thinking it's just someone on the end of the phone. Meanwhile,

723
00:39:36,801 --> 00:39:38,761
Speaker 2: I'd have quite a bit of fun with it. And

724
00:39:39,721 --> 00:39:43,601
Speaker 2: if someone called up and they had an attitude, I'd say, okay, well,

725
00:39:43,641 --> 00:39:46,081
Speaker 2: i'd I'd like to help you with that, sir. Let

726
00:39:46,161 --> 00:39:48,361
Speaker 2: me just get into your account. Can I be your password?

727
00:39:48,361 --> 00:39:48,601
Speaker 1: Please?

728
00:39:48,641 --> 00:39:51,561
Speaker 2: And they would go password or didn't think I had

729
00:39:51,561 --> 00:39:54,121
Speaker 2: a password, and then so they'd ratle off, rat a

730
00:39:54,161 --> 00:39:57,641
Speaker 2: off five different passwords and I'm like, no, sorry, we

731
00:39:58,121 --> 00:40:01,281
Speaker 2: don't have that here. There must be another way into

732
00:40:01,321 --> 00:40:04,281
Speaker 2: the account. What I said, okay, there is. I can

733
00:40:04,321 --> 00:40:07,841
Speaker 2: ask a few quest So what type of car do

734
00:40:07,921 --> 00:40:11,841
Speaker 2: you drive? How would you know that? And I said, sir,

735
00:40:12,561 --> 00:40:16,801
Speaker 2: we're Telstra, we know everything. And he'd be like, it's

736
00:40:16,801 --> 00:40:19,361
Speaker 2: a red Ford And I'm like, okay, we're getting closer.

737
00:40:20,241 --> 00:40:22,681
Speaker 2: Now what type of fuel do you run?

738
00:40:22,721 --> 00:40:22,801
Speaker 1: On?

739
00:40:24,441 --> 00:40:24,561
Speaker 8: Oh?

740
00:40:24,641 --> 00:40:27,361
Speaker 2: Come on, how would you I'm like, sir, I'm trying

741
00:40:27,401 --> 00:40:32,081
Speaker 2: to get into the account. He's like it's unleaded, and

742
00:40:32,081 --> 00:40:36,721
Speaker 2: I'm like okay, and where is? And then I'd end up, yeah, anyway,

743
00:40:36,841 --> 00:40:39,321
Speaker 2: end up just dropping the call and think someone else

744
00:40:39,361 --> 00:40:43,361
Speaker 2: can handle this. But anyway, I called Carl Baron one time,

745
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:47,401
Speaker 2: so this will then move on. But back then he

746
00:40:47,481 --> 00:40:49,201
Speaker 2: was on the Football Show. Was back when he was

747
00:40:49,241 --> 00:40:51,801
Speaker 2: like first hitting the scene. And I don't know if

748
00:40:51,841 --> 00:40:53,521
Speaker 2: you remember him being on the Footy Show.

749
00:40:53,321 --> 00:40:55,921
Speaker 5: But absolutely every Thursday night.

750
00:40:55,961 --> 00:41:00,201
Speaker 2: And yeah, So because he'd been on there, he came

751
00:41:00,241 --> 00:41:02,921
Speaker 2: to mind and I thought, I can look up anyone's

752
00:41:03,121 --> 00:41:06,121
Speaker 2: you know, anyone's address, anyone's fine number on here. So

753
00:41:06,161 --> 00:41:08,881
Speaker 2: I've started looking up some famous people and I'm like, oh,

754
00:41:08,961 --> 00:41:11,721
Speaker 2: Carl Baron great and a mate on the other side

755
00:41:11,721 --> 00:41:15,081
Speaker 2: of the call center used to know how to how

756
00:41:15,081 --> 00:41:17,161
Speaker 2: to jump on my call so we could hear each

757
00:41:17,201 --> 00:41:20,721
Speaker 2: other talking to someone. So I'll give him the wave

758
00:41:20,801 --> 00:41:28,281
Speaker 2: and he jumps on and I'll call Carl and Carl answers. Hey, Carl,

759
00:41:28,481 --> 00:41:33,841
Speaker 2: He's like, who's this? You can tell us a joke?

760
00:41:34,201 --> 00:41:37,121
Speaker 2: And he's like, what, how'd you get this number? Who

761
00:41:37,241 --> 00:41:41,441
Speaker 2: is He hung up. I call him back and he goes,

762
00:41:42,321 --> 00:41:45,081
Speaker 2: who is it? How'd you get this number? I'm like, listen, Carl,

763
00:41:45,921 --> 00:41:49,601
Speaker 2: just tell me joke, right, I said, let's tell stra

764
00:41:50,841 --> 00:41:54,561
Speaker 2: if you change your number, if you change your number,

765
00:41:54,601 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: I'll find your number, right, Just tell me one joke anyway,

766
00:41:58,721 --> 00:42:02,081
Speaker 2: Why I did that? But one of his jokes was

767
00:42:02,761 --> 00:42:06,081
Speaker 2: one of his jokes was that people would always come

768
00:42:06,161 --> 00:42:07,841
Speaker 2: up to him as if he was some sort of

769
00:42:07,921 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: vending machine on the street and say, tell us a joke.

770
00:42:11,081 --> 00:42:13,441
Speaker 2: So that's why I thought that'd be funny. Anyhow, I

771
00:42:13,481 --> 00:42:15,121
Speaker 2: did do a lot of work while I was there

772
00:42:15,161 --> 00:42:17,641
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, that was the call, and I was

773
00:42:17,681 --> 00:42:21,921
Speaker 2: back in the ring, had some boxing fights and then

774
00:42:23,121 --> 00:42:27,521
Speaker 2: I had a knee reconstruction, so my knee blew out.

775
00:42:27,761 --> 00:42:33,321
Speaker 2: I was unloading a truck, knee dislocated, and my focus

776
00:42:33,401 --> 00:42:35,641
Speaker 2: was just on getting back into the ring because if

777
00:42:35,681 --> 00:42:38,241
Speaker 2: I was in the ring, if I was fighting, then

778
00:42:38,281 --> 00:42:42,561
Speaker 2: I was on track. So when that knee went, it

779
00:42:42,681 --> 00:42:47,281
Speaker 2: was a long road of having that operation. So outside

780
00:42:47,361 --> 00:42:50,961
Speaker 2: of that, I was still self medicating and I didn't

781
00:42:50,961 --> 00:42:54,601
Speaker 2: want to go back to destruction, you know. I didn't

782
00:42:54,601 --> 00:42:57,921
Speaker 2: want things to go really off track. So then my

783
00:42:58,001 --> 00:43:01,721
Speaker 2: girlfriend and I at the time moved to Sydney, and

784
00:43:02,481 --> 00:43:04,841
Speaker 2: once I was up there, then I started glazing on

785
00:43:05,361 --> 00:43:10,321
Speaker 2: sites with the focus of getting back into the ring. However,

786
00:43:11,961 --> 00:43:14,121
Speaker 2: I was in a pretty dark place because I'd been

787
00:43:14,201 --> 00:43:17,761
Speaker 2: out of the ring after that knee operation. The relationship

788
00:43:17,841 --> 00:43:21,521
Speaker 2: end up came to an end, and work was drying

789
00:43:21,601 --> 00:43:25,201
Speaker 2: up in Sydney and I was just in a dark place.

790
00:43:25,241 --> 00:43:28,241
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd pretty much lived in darkness up until

791
00:43:28,281 --> 00:43:31,281
Speaker 2: this point. I was twenty one at this age, but

792
00:43:31,881 --> 00:43:36,241
Speaker 2: at this point it was very dark. And you know,

793
00:43:36,321 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: I'd contemplated suicide so many times from the age of ten,

794
00:43:40,081 --> 00:43:43,121
Speaker 2: but this time I thought, you know what, I'm done.

795
00:43:43,441 --> 00:43:46,081
Speaker 2: I am done. So i'd made my mind up. One night,

796
00:43:46,681 --> 00:43:49,921
Speaker 2: I'd drunk a bottle of tequila, I'd had a handful

797
00:43:49,961 --> 00:43:52,641
Speaker 2: of sleeping tablets. I'd rigged up the car in a

798
00:43:52,681 --> 00:43:56,881
Speaker 2: backstreet in Kujie and I went out and I was

799
00:43:56,921 --> 00:44:00,041
Speaker 2: gassing myself in the car, just waiting to go for

800
00:44:00,081 --> 00:44:04,361
Speaker 2: that big sleep. And then my phone rung. And now

801
00:44:04,481 --> 00:44:06,481
Speaker 2: I didn't know I had a phone on me, but

802
00:44:06,601 --> 00:44:08,241
Speaker 2: it was. I had a phone in my pocket, a

803
00:44:08,241 --> 00:44:12,801
Speaker 2: little nockia, and I've fumbled around, I've got it and

804
00:44:12,801 --> 00:44:14,761
Speaker 2: I've pulled it out and I looked at it and

805
00:44:14,801 --> 00:44:18,401
Speaker 2: it said Mum. Now, I had an agreement with my

806
00:44:18,481 --> 00:44:22,081
Speaker 2: mum from years earlier that i'd always answer her call.

807
00:44:23,201 --> 00:44:25,201
Speaker 2: If it was anyone else, I wouldn't have answered. But

808
00:44:25,441 --> 00:44:26,241
Speaker 2: I've looked at it.

809
00:44:26,961 --> 00:44:27,121
Speaker 6: Now.

810
00:44:27,161 --> 00:44:31,161
Speaker 2: This agreement came about because I'd be out doing this

811
00:44:31,201 --> 00:44:35,321
Speaker 2: and that, and if Mum called, I used to not

812
00:44:35,361 --> 00:44:37,081
Speaker 2: want to answer because I knew that what I was

813
00:44:37,121 --> 00:44:41,921
Speaker 2: doing wasn't disappo, wasn't the correct thing exactly. I had

814
00:44:41,961 --> 00:44:44,241
Speaker 2: shame around what I was doing. I could have been

815
00:44:44,761 --> 00:44:47,241
Speaker 2: most likely was off my head, could have just done

816
00:44:47,281 --> 00:44:50,641
Speaker 2: a job, could have just bashed someone. And then I

817
00:44:50,681 --> 00:44:52,681
Speaker 2: didn't want to answer the phone. So I said to Mum.

818
00:44:53,961 --> 00:44:57,721
Speaker 2: She said, why don't you answer? I said, because I'm embarrassed, Mum.

819
00:44:58,361 --> 00:45:01,881
Speaker 2: And she said, look, I can't sleep. I'm worried if

820
00:45:01,921 --> 00:45:06,481
Speaker 2: you don't answer, I can't sleep. I said, well, but

821
00:45:06,521 --> 00:45:08,921
Speaker 2: if you ask what I'm doing, she said, I won't ask.

822
00:45:10,281 --> 00:45:12,881
Speaker 2: All I will do is I'll only ask are you okay?

823
00:45:13,441 --> 00:45:15,401
Speaker 2: And if you say yes, then I can get to sleep.

824
00:45:15,441 --> 00:45:18,281
Speaker 2: And I said, okay, I promise you I will always answer.

825
00:45:19,321 --> 00:45:22,441
Speaker 2: And I kept that promise, and so I could be

826
00:45:22,481 --> 00:45:25,361
Speaker 2: out doing this and that if Mom called, i'd answer,

827
00:45:25,761 --> 00:45:29,201
Speaker 2: hey mom. Others around me like you're mad? Is that

828
00:45:29,241 --> 00:45:31,321
Speaker 2: your mum? And I'm like, good on your mom, I'm

829
00:45:31,361 --> 00:45:34,881
Speaker 2: all good, have a good sleep, mum. So anyway, jump

830
00:45:34,961 --> 00:45:37,521
Speaker 2: forward to this, when I'm in the car and I

831
00:45:37,601 --> 00:45:43,081
Speaker 2: see it, I think I've got to answer, and I

832
00:45:43,121 --> 00:45:44,801
Speaker 2: think I've just got to get this call over and

833
00:45:44,841 --> 00:45:47,281
Speaker 2: done with and then I'll continue on with what I

834
00:45:47,321 --> 00:45:51,921
Speaker 2: was doing. I answer and it was my dad calling

835
00:45:51,961 --> 00:45:55,801
Speaker 2: off my mum's phone. And I hadn't spoken to him

836
00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:59,481
Speaker 2: or anyone in a few months. I distanced myself from everyone.

837
00:45:59,481 --> 00:46:02,081
Speaker 2: Didn't feel like I had anything good to share. That's

838
00:46:02,081 --> 00:46:05,881
Speaker 2: a part of the blackness. And when I answered, he

839
00:46:06,001 --> 00:46:08,841
Speaker 2: was just being so lovely. He was just right from

840
00:46:08,921 --> 00:46:11,201
Speaker 2: the get goes like, okay, mate, mate, I've got a

841
00:46:11,281 --> 00:46:14,161
Speaker 2: day off tomorrow and I'm coming to see you. They

842
00:46:14,201 --> 00:46:17,081
Speaker 2: lived in a town six hours away. I'm in Sydney

843
00:46:17,081 --> 00:46:20,641
Speaker 2: there in Waga. And I said, no, no, not tomorrow,

844
00:46:20,721 --> 00:46:24,321
Speaker 2: don't don't come tomorrow. He goes, yeah, mate, mate, I've

845
00:46:24,321 --> 00:46:26,801
Speaker 2: got the day off. I've already I've reversed the car in,

846
00:46:26,841 --> 00:46:28,561
Speaker 2: I've already fueled up. I'm going to be on the

847
00:46:28,641 --> 00:46:31,361
Speaker 2: road early, mate, going to be there tomorrow, really looking

848
00:46:31,401 --> 00:46:34,841
Speaker 2: forward to it. Anyway. He wouldn't take no for an answer,

849
00:46:35,561 --> 00:46:39,641
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what about next week, No, mate, mate,

850
00:46:39,641 --> 00:46:42,161
Speaker 2: I'm going to be there. You're going to be there, okay, mate,

851
00:46:42,641 --> 00:46:46,761
Speaker 2: I said, yep. I hung up the phone and I

852
00:46:46,881 --> 00:46:49,521
Speaker 2: just thought I can't have my dad show up and

853
00:46:49,561 --> 00:46:53,641
Speaker 2: find my dead body. So that put a stop to

854
00:46:53,681 --> 00:46:56,481
Speaker 2: my plan, and I thought I broke down. Once I

855
00:46:56,561 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: hung up, I broke down. I turned the car off,

856
00:47:00,241 --> 00:47:02,521
Speaker 2: and I thought, I've got to get this visit over

857
00:47:02,561 --> 00:47:05,601
Speaker 2: and done with tomorrow and then I'll do it. So

858
00:47:05,641 --> 00:47:09,001
Speaker 2: I stumbled upstairs, passed out on the bed, wake up

859
00:47:09,041 --> 00:47:12,721
Speaker 2: the next morning like a zombie, to the phone ringing.

860
00:47:13,281 --> 00:47:16,041
Speaker 2: He says that he's in town. So I go and

861
00:47:16,081 --> 00:47:20,681
Speaker 2: meet him in Waterloo. And when I get there, then

862
00:47:20,721 --> 00:47:22,641
Speaker 2: my brother, who again I hadn't talked to him in

863
00:47:22,681 --> 00:47:26,081
Speaker 2: maybe six months, one of my older brothers, wrath. He

864
00:47:26,201 --> 00:47:28,721
Speaker 2: jumped out from the passenger side of the car. He's like, hey,

865
00:47:29,761 --> 00:47:34,201
Speaker 2: just they're both just been so lovely and they end

866
00:47:34,321 --> 00:47:36,601
Speaker 2: up saying, look, mate, we actually came up here to

867
00:47:36,681 --> 00:47:39,801
Speaker 2: take your home. We didn't just come for a visit.

868
00:47:40,241 --> 00:47:42,201
Speaker 2: We want you to come home, mate, come be around

869
00:47:42,201 --> 00:47:45,601
Speaker 2: people that love you. And to me it felt like

870
00:47:45,641 --> 00:47:48,561
Speaker 2: a backward step. I was like, no, no, you know,

871
00:47:48,721 --> 00:47:51,241
Speaker 2: I'm picking up some work here and there, and they're like, mate,

872
00:47:51,921 --> 00:47:54,561
Speaker 2: come back be around people love you. You can always come

873
00:47:54,601 --> 00:47:58,201
Speaker 2: back up here again. They wouldn't take no for an answer,

874
00:47:58,241 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: and I was in no place to really argue, so

875
00:48:01,401 --> 00:48:05,241
Speaker 2: we packed up everything and headed back to wager Yeah

876
00:48:05,801 --> 00:48:08,201
Speaker 2: that neck. That night, I was sitting with my mum

877
00:48:08,241 --> 00:48:11,601
Speaker 2: at the kitchen table at their place, just her and I,

878
00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:15,441
Speaker 2: and she said, I'm going to ask you a question,

879
00:48:15,961 --> 00:48:18,401
Speaker 2: and I want you to please tell me the truth.

880
00:48:19,321 --> 00:48:22,561
Speaker 2: I said, what's that, Mum? She said, what were you

881
00:48:22,601 --> 00:48:26,361
Speaker 2: doing last night? I said, please don't ask me that, Mom,

882
00:48:26,601 --> 00:48:29,641
Speaker 2: don't ask me that. She said, what were you doing

883
00:48:29,721 --> 00:48:35,801
Speaker 2: last night? I said, I was killing myself, Mum, And

884
00:48:35,921 --> 00:48:40,041
Speaker 2: the look on her face. She's a very stoic woman.

885
00:48:40,121 --> 00:48:42,281
Speaker 2: I can count on one hand still to this day

886
00:48:42,561 --> 00:48:46,001
Speaker 2: the times I've seen Mama cry. One was where my

887
00:48:46,001 --> 00:48:51,201
Speaker 2: older sister passed away and she immediately welled up and

888
00:48:51,641 --> 00:48:54,801
Speaker 2: she said, if you did that, it would end me.

889
00:48:55,481 --> 00:48:59,121
Speaker 2: And that was the first time I realized the impact

890
00:48:59,161 --> 00:49:03,841
Speaker 2: that it would actually have. Before that, I one hundred

891
00:49:03,881 --> 00:49:06,121
Speaker 2: percent thought I was doing the best thing for everyone.

892
00:49:06,841 --> 00:49:10,801
Speaker 2: I could not see another way. I had myself convinced

893
00:49:11,361 --> 00:49:13,601
Speaker 2: this is the only option and this is the best

894
00:49:13,601 --> 00:49:19,321
Speaker 2: thing for everyone. So seeing that reaction with Mum was

895
00:49:19,361 --> 00:49:21,961
Speaker 2: like a big slack in the face. That woke me up,

896
00:49:22,001 --> 00:49:24,881
Speaker 2: and I said I'm sorry, mum. I'm sorry. I'll never

897
00:49:24,921 --> 00:49:28,121
Speaker 2: do it again. I'm sorry, I'll do whatever it takes.

898
00:49:28,521 --> 00:49:33,081
Speaker 2: Suicide won't be an option again. And that's really where

899
00:49:33,121 --> 00:49:38,561
Speaker 2: my rebuild started. Up until that point, it had always

900
00:49:38,561 --> 00:49:41,361
Speaker 2: been like the ace up my sleeve. It was no

901
00:49:41,361 --> 00:49:43,521
Speaker 2: matter what, I could always just kill myself. So then

902
00:49:43,521 --> 00:49:47,561
Speaker 2: when making this promise that that wasn't an option anymore, well,

903
00:49:47,601 --> 00:49:49,961
Speaker 2: it's like burning the boats, isn't it. It's like, okay, well,

904
00:49:50,241 --> 00:49:54,201
Speaker 2: I've got to somehow make things better. So I started

905
00:49:54,561 --> 00:50:00,601
Speaker 2: studying the mind, doing courses, I spoke with psychologists, psychiatrists, counselors,

906
00:50:01,281 --> 00:50:02,881
Speaker 2: you name it. And I just took things and I

907
00:50:02,921 --> 00:50:07,481
Speaker 2: applied it, trying to get control over my mind, trying

908
00:50:07,521 --> 00:50:13,401
Speaker 2: to make things better. And that's really where my heavy

909
00:50:13,441 --> 00:50:16,001
Speaker 2: focus on learning how to control the mind begun.

910
00:50:16,161 --> 00:50:17,281
Speaker 5: It's a long journey.

911
00:50:17,361 --> 00:50:19,001
Speaker 6: It's a really, really long journey.

912
00:50:19,041 --> 00:50:21,441
Speaker 2: Brother, that's yeah.

913
00:50:21,481 --> 00:50:24,561
Speaker 5: Wow, Well, I'm sorry, I'm a little bit.

914
00:50:26,401 --> 00:50:30,001
Speaker 1: I've never had that relationship with a mum, so I

915
00:50:30,081 --> 00:50:30,841
Speaker 1: can only.

916
00:50:32,241 --> 00:50:35,641
Speaker 6: Take on how your mum would feel. Why I've never

917
00:50:35,681 --> 00:50:38,721
Speaker 6: had my mom, So for me, it's just that's life.

918
00:50:38,761 --> 00:50:43,241
Speaker 6: But I've always appreciated every one of my mate's mums

919
00:50:43,281 --> 00:50:46,761
Speaker 6: and to hear you speak in that way and then

920
00:50:46,881 --> 00:50:51,081
Speaker 6: know that you know it's just yeah, it's just not

921
00:50:51,321 --> 00:50:52,721
Speaker 6: me for six you know, like wow.

922
00:50:53,841 --> 00:50:56,921
Speaker 2: That concludes Part one of Brand's chat with Iggy McGown.

923
00:50:57,441 --> 00:51:00,041
Speaker 1: In part two, we'll hear more about his recovery, his

924
00:51:00,121 --> 00:51:02,721
Speaker 1: life with muy Thai, and his new role as a

925
00:51:02,761 --> 00:51:03,321
Speaker 1: mindset man.

926
00:51:04,161 --> 00:51:07,201
Speaker 3: Don't try and make your off the book for the record.

927
00:51:07,361 --> 00:51:09,761
Speaker 3: You ain't trying to grow that stuff for your pride

928
00:51:09,881 --> 00:51:13,081
Speaker 3: for the record, lab on me going all the way

929
00:51:13,161 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: for the record. Ain't trying to link, No, trying to waste.

930
00:51:15,641 --> 00:51:20,041
Speaker 4: Stop for the record, for the record. H for the

931
00:51:21,401 --> 00:51:26,361
Speaker 4: for the record, for the record, for the record, for

932
00:51:26,481 --> 00:51:26,961
Speaker 4: the record.

933
00:51:30,961 --> 00:51:40,841
Speaker 1: H m hmmmmmm.