Speaker 1: Approche production.
Speaker 2: This is not just the story of a missing man.
Speaker 2: It's the story of how ambiguous loss can not only
Speaker 2: hurt a family, it can tear them apart. Belle Wilma
Speaker 2: and her husband Darren believe her dad was killed for money.
Speaker 2: Police believe that he's missing presumed dead. You can head
Speaker 2: back to previous episodes to make your own decisions. In
Speaker 2: the last four years, John's bank accounts have not been touched,
Speaker 2: he didn't have a mobile phone, his healthcare card or
Speaker 2: any other documents that link to him have not been accessed.
Speaker 2: As with most missing persons cases, the public plays an
Speaker 2: integral part in helping police in the family get closure.
Speaker 2: It's the reason we put these podcasts together. We think
Speaker 2: that maybe we could reach a new audience, an audience
Speaker 2: that may have not heard the story of a missing
Speaker 2: grandfather from Perth. I asked the investigating officer, Joe from
Speaker 2: homicide in wa was assigned to the missing persons unit,
Speaker 2: if there'd been any signings of Jawn since his disappearance.
Speaker 3: For the media were very good at the time. The
Speaker 3: media really engaged with us as a police force and
Speaker 3: they were able to get the message out. The sisters
Speaker 3: will getting that message out to members of the public.
Speaker 3: We had some fightings come forward to us, people that
Speaker 3: suspected that they may have seen mister Johnson in and
Speaker 3: around Lanceton at the time, But unfortunately, despite our attempts,
Speaker 3: we weren't able to corroborate those titans. There was one
Speaker 3: or two that I felt were unlikely. There was one
Speaker 3: that was possible but couldn't be proved. And regardless of that, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: other than placing him in Lancelin at the time, they
Speaker 3: didn't offer anything that could lead to the resolution of
Speaker 3: the case or locating mister Jensen. So the members of
Speaker 3: the public were great coming forward, but unfortunately I couldn't
Speaker 3: corroborate or the opposites that were dealing at the time
Speaker 3: to not corroborate any of that. CCTV or any service Science.
Speaker 2: Talk me through the man that was spotted. I believe
Speaker 2: it was by someone that was riding a bike. Is
Speaker 2: that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think on the twenty fifth of June, about
Speaker 3: eight am, remember, the public was riding a bike in Lancelin.
Speaker 3: He saw a mail that wasn't this similar in appearance
Speaker 3: to mister Jensen. He said that the man was walking carefully,
Speaker 3: not boldly, as if he was worried about traffic. Remember,
Speaker 3: the public did say hello to this gentleman. He could
Speaker 3: never be identified by us, and there is every possibility
Speaker 3: that that was mister Jensen, but there's also every possibility
Speaker 3: that it wasn't. It's something that we couldn't We couldn't confirm.
Speaker 3: If this gentleman did fight mister Jensen, then we would
Speaker 3: know that mister Jensen was on his own at the time,
Speaker 3: but we can't take that as evidence then use that
Speaker 3: because we just can't confirm it. So it's frustrating from
Speaker 3: an investigative point of view because I'd like to be
Speaker 3: able to confirm that or be able to disregard it.
Speaker 3: And despite all the investigation that's taken place, I can't
Speaker 3: be sure that mister Jensen was the person that that
Speaker 3: gentleman saw on the day.
Speaker 2: Bill also confirmed a few sidings that led to nothing.
Speaker 4: I mean, there was a bit of a flurry I
Speaker 4: found around Facebook because obviously social media nowadays, you know,
Speaker 4: You've been a lot of comments and apparently the gardener
Speaker 4: up there looks familiar, all looks similar to my father.
Speaker 4: Quite a few people had said that, so I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not sure but there was comments from one particular
Speaker 4: witness saying that there was a man dressed in black
Speaker 4: stating next to my dad's vehicle texting, you know, and
Speaker 4: then he was seeing texting again, you know, in the
Speaker 4: beer garden. Whether this person is is was possibly the
Speaker 4: one that dropped the vehicle off, I don't know, but no,
Speaker 4: there was no sightings off my father.
Speaker 2: When you have ambiguous loss and not knowing the answer,
Speaker 2: you you sometimes and I think we all do this,
Speaker 2: you look for answers. And one of the places that
Speaker 2: you looked for answers was with a psychic medium.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct. I mean, you know, it's something I guess,
Speaker 4: you know, you get desperate. I'm not the only one.
Speaker 4: There's plenty of cold cases where people have reached out
Speaker 4: in those situations, and you know, it was something that
Speaker 4: you know, you know, I've been interested in anyway, so
Speaker 4: back and you know, my sister even once had a
Speaker 4: psychic party years ago at her house and my mum
Speaker 4: was there, and you know what I mean. So we
Speaker 4: were just in that sort of stuff and my mum died.
Speaker 4: We actually went to see John Edwards together, you know.
Speaker 4: Again it was just more interesting or whatever, and so
Speaker 4: basically once a year to the day, popped up on
Speaker 4: my Facebook feed this particular medium which I can't disclose
Speaker 4: his name, but you know, I was doing a seminar
Speaker 4: at Tune Reception Center. So I thought, bugaret, you know,
Speaker 4: it was actually cheaping. Only these things are expensive. So
Speaker 4: I said to my girlfriend, why don't you come along,
Speaker 4: you know, why don't we just go?
Speaker 5: And and we did.
Speaker 4: But yeah, weirdly enough, my sister and O her husband
Speaker 4: were also at that same seminar, but we were obviously
Speaker 4: estranged by that point, so we did not go together
Speaker 4: as such.
Speaker 2: And did the psychic say anything?
Speaker 4: He did, look, I didn't sort of get a reading.
Speaker 4: It was sort of one of those, you know, fairly
Speaker 4: intimate little settings where you know, he'll go around reading people.
Speaker 4: And I kept putting my hand up right at the
Speaker 4: very end, and you know, because I was keen to
Speaker 4: try and get it ready, I was just in I
Speaker 4: didn't know what to expect, you know, a bit dubious,
Speaker 4: I guess, you know, I've never had a connection or anything,
Speaker 4: you know, but I thought one not, I really know,
Speaker 4: I put my hand up writer yet and then he
Speaker 4: and then he pit me and obviously you know, sort
Speaker 4: of started sort of connecting or whatever, and then you
Speaker 4: could see him instantly, Yeah, look quite ill and just
Speaker 4: when what what's happened? And then he goes, was your
Speaker 4: dad murdered? And I said, well, it's still under investigabe
Speaker 4: me know, he haven't found his body. And he goes,
Speaker 4: I can't talk to you about this in front of
Speaker 4: everyone else, you know, I'll talk to you after the
Speaker 4: seminar geographic sort of information that was coming through, and
Speaker 4: so yeah, he was kind of enough and he said, look,
Speaker 4: I didn't want to talk to both of you as
Speaker 4: in a sister and myself, you know, after after the fact.
Speaker 4: So finished up the show and yeah he had private reading.
Speaker 4: And yeah, the information that was told to us that night,
Speaker 4: it's not the sort of fluffy, airy fairy, lovey dovey
Speaker 4: information that you know, traditionally psychic or you know, medium sorry,
Speaker 4: you know, would tell you. You know, so this guy's
Speaker 4: been pretty blatantly honesty. You could tell it affected him
Speaker 4: in terms of the information he was trying to pass on.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he made it very clear that you know,
Speaker 4: dad has met with foul play and you know, openly
Speaker 4: telling it to both of us and sort of giving
Speaker 4: us details, graphic details that you don't want to hear.
Speaker 4: Obviously as the daughter, obviously he didn't want to tell us.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, it just sort of cemented my It's
Speaker 4: cemented my theories.
Speaker 2: I guess my thoughts.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, I knew he had passed obviously, and
Speaker 4: I knew he committed citicide. And he was very clear
Speaker 4: with that ressage. He goes, I've been doing this for
Speaker 4: so many years. I know when that for me to suicide,
Speaker 4: you know, And I know it's a weird topic. It's
Speaker 4: something that's very out of the ordinary. It's very you know,
Speaker 4: some people you know my sort of.
Speaker 6: I'm naturally skeptic. And yeah, the things he said, you.
Speaker 4: Don't take it lightly, you don't take it.
Speaker 5: I don't know who.
Speaker 6: Would say those things anyhow, But yeah, it's but he
Speaker 6: also said many things as far as money and all that,
Speaker 6: which very much rained true.
Speaker 5: So for Belle was very much a confirmation.
Speaker 4: Was just a confirmation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not the first time that I've talked
Speaker 2: to someone who suffers from ambiguous loss and that has
Speaker 2: contacted a psychic. You don't have to be a believer
Speaker 2: to understand that when someone your love disappears without a trace.
Speaker 2: You'll do anything to find an answer, even if that
Speaker 2: goes against what you've believed for most of your life.
Speaker 2: Bell has passed over a copy of the recording that
Speaker 2: her and a sister made with a psychic medium in
Speaker 2: Perth on the twenty sixth of June twenty eighteen to
Speaker 2: recap Both Bell and her sister, who at the time
Speaker 2: were estranged, happened to go to the same psychic medium
Speaker 2: at a reception hall in Perth after seeing an ad
Speaker 2: on Facebook. They sat away from each other and never interacted.
Speaker 2: During the evening, Bell raised her hand and in Bell's words,
Speaker 2: the psychic knew that something had happened and he said
Speaker 2: that post show they should meet him private. Bell's sister
Speaker 2: also attended this meeting backstage. The following recording is the
Speaker 2: actual recording of that meeting, which is being played with
Speaker 2: the psychic medium's permission. His website says he's a well
Speaker 2: respected psychic medium in Australia and he's passionate about helping others.
Speaker 2: He starts by talking about how Jawn is coming to him.
Speaker 7: Because that's the way that he cuts through the way
Speaker 7: that he showed me as well and I need to
Speaker 7: be honest as well.
Speaker 5: It's like he was.
Speaker 7: What's what's that? What's what's an ax? He keeps showing
Speaker 7: me your next. Was he hit with an ax?
Speaker 1: Was he murdered with the ax?
Speaker 4: There was blood at the house. We don't know what happened.
Speaker 4: It's been analyzed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cause he keeps showing me your next.
Speaker 7: But this is the way that that uh, I don't
Speaker 7: know if there was something to do. But he's also
Speaker 7: showing you people taking or people have got him or.
Speaker 1: There was males that have got him gender.
Speaker 7: Yea, what people are getting him or or taking him
Speaker 7: or have abducted him.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a group of males.
Speaker 5: That have got.
Speaker 1: It's all known.
Speaker 7: He's deceased, but the way that he passed or the
Speaker 7: way it's like somebody has taken him or got him.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean when he was alive. Kakay cause
Speaker 1: this is like foul play.
Speaker 4: Yep, I knew it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's what Dad showing me. And it's like
Speaker 7: people coming in and and and it's not giving me, Oh,
Speaker 7: this is what that child and that's why do you
Speaker 7: wanna talk about it? But it's like, I mean, getting
Speaker 7: you that he's talking about it in the boot and
Speaker 7: and he's gone his his life, that that gotten rid
Speaker 7: of it?
Speaker 1: What's with the boot? What's in the boot? Did that
Speaker 1: find in anything in the boot? Just he felt how
Speaker 1: how like you think? Okay?
Speaker 7: Because he keeps talking about in his boot. I don't
Speaker 7: know if there was blood or he was in the boot,
Speaker 7: but they cause I feel like here the way that
Speaker 7: he come through is like he's taken or his beat
Speaker 7: he's beat bashed. And that's that's what I keep seeing him. Okay,
Speaker 7: hasn't he been found or what's what?
Speaker 4: No? Not everything.
Speaker 1: That flood in the house. Yeah, he's I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: It's he's been dragged out.
Speaker 7: It's like somebody has has taken what three guys have
Speaker 7: come in and take me and they and that's what
Speaker 7: what he keeps seeing. And he keeps seeing me. I
Speaker 7: don't know if this is know him is my man?
Speaker 7: Here's something there's a connection there, yes, with you. And
Speaker 7: there's also what he keeps showing me is with his acts.
Speaker 1: This is how old is going be. Please be honest,
Speaker 1: because they're wacking the moment there. Yeah, and they're waking
Speaker 1: him in the back like the wacky movie. But it's
Speaker 1: like he's gone in he in the ditch.
Speaker 7: Or he's buried in blush land because he's showing me bushland,
Speaker 7: or like he's uried. You're not gonna find what he's
Speaker 7: he's saying, but he's what he showing.
Speaker 1: He is, Like, what's with the kitchen? Is it? Did
Speaker 1: you find it?
Speaker 4: Was? He was bothing his feet out near the kitchen area.
Speaker 7: It's okay because this is where they've come in and
Speaker 7: this is where they work and it's free grise and
Speaker 7: this is what And that's why I said.
Speaker 1: I can't talk about it in front of the room
Speaker 1: because it's like he's been.
Speaker 7: Was taking every gus. But these guys that did it,
Speaker 7: they were cleaning up that. It was like they made
Speaker 7: sure where where the mess was and where the blood
Speaker 7: not to have it everywhere.
Speaker 1: Were there and.
Speaker 4: It wasn't on the part of it, not in his car, but.
Speaker 7: There was struggling with him, but there was three three guys.
Speaker 7: But they keep whacking in over the back of the
Speaker 7: head like they keep knocking him out.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's what your day.
Speaker 7: Keep sure when you say it was found played, does
Speaker 7: he give you any hints of to to why or
Speaker 7: or outlaither. Way that he's talking about is is like
Speaker 7: it's not just somebody's just disappeared.
Speaker 1: There's it's about like there's there's something there that there's.
Speaker 2: Something but was it?
Speaker 5: Was it robbery or was it It's like your.
Speaker 1: Dad or your father knew knew of them, or new
Speaker 1: friends that knew of them.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if there was money or owing
Speaker 7: money or something to do with money, And what's I
Speaker 7: don't know if there was a bank account. Actually there
Speaker 7: was some money gone, but it's had to do with that, okay.
Speaker 7: And what's April?
Speaker 4: I keep saying an April, Dad, April, we have a
Speaker 4: big falling Easter.
Speaker 2: This psyekic does not know the sisters. There is a
Speaker 2: chance that he could have read some of the details
Speaker 2: about John's disappearance in the paper, but it would be
Speaker 2: unusual for him to have any information about the kitchen
Speaker 2: and why it was important. Also him knowing about the
Speaker 2: significance of April and the fact that money or missing
Speaker 2: money was a possible motive. He also makes a claim
Speaker 2: that in his contact on the other side with their dad,
Speaker 2: the dad is saying, one of my daughters thinks I
Speaker 2: went missing. One of my daughters thinks I was taken,
Speaker 2: and she's right.
Speaker 7: I don't know if what he believe one story will
Speaker 7: believe that that's not the way to happen. What are
Speaker 7: you saying, is like one of the daughters or one
Speaker 7: of the girls that liked him, this has happened, like
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, Yeah, I thought, and he's going and
Speaker 7: she thinks that someone it is if someone's coming in.
Speaker 7: But yeah, people come to me for private roads and stuff.
Speaker 7: And I have no idea what you guys come for.
Speaker 7: Like you sit there and I just got a little
Speaker 7: of it. And there's so many times ago we believe you.
Speaker 7: Then what because everything you say matches of yea, yeah,
Speaker 7: and this is the way. It's like, that's why I
Speaker 7: couldn't talk about it, because but your day keep showing
Speaker 7: me your next.
Speaker 1: For me if I see I say it, and that's
Speaker 1: what what you don't keep showing me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll never give up though, So it's not over.
Speaker 2: The psychic medium's final claim this was not suicide. George
Speaker 2: Jensen was murdered, most likely for money.
Speaker 7: The way that they did it and then everything else
Speaker 7: is it's like they covered and you're not going to
Speaker 7: fight like it's.
Speaker 1: You can keep looking, you can keep but you know what, when.
Speaker 7: It's your turn to pass, Dad will be there waiting
Speaker 7: for you, and you will and you know what, you
Speaker 7: guys were meant to be here tonight, and you work
Speaker 7: because I can only tell you what I'm seeing, what
Speaker 7: he's passing on, and that's the confirmation about the nation
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 1: So for me, that's it comes through, very very sure
Speaker 1: that it does.
Speaker 7: I've never felt like this before a show, and the
Speaker 7: way that it's like this was definitely your dad.
Speaker 4: I can't help pilip so many.
Speaker 7: But he keeps showing you the back and like somebody
Speaker 7: go out of that bang bang bang.
Speaker 2: Whether you believe in mediums or not, you can only
Speaker 2: imagine how shocking this would have been to hear. For
Speaker 2: Belle and her sister. This medium is saying that a
Speaker 2: dad was taken by three men and was bashed. He says,
Speaker 2: her dad knews amen, and after they attacked him with axe,
Speaker 2: they buried him in a ditch in the bush. Bell
Speaker 2: has been very careful in our chat, and as I've
Speaker 2: mentioned before, we're not making any suggestions that anyone has
Speaker 2: done anything wrong. We're just presenting the facts as we
Speaker 2: know them. In saying this, I didn't want to beat
Speaker 2: around the bush with Belle about asking her a question
Speaker 2: that I think I already knew the answer to. What
Speaker 2: does Bell think happen to her dad?
Speaker 4: No, I, one hand, on my heart, believe he was murdered,
Speaker 4: and I believe the fact that, yeah, there's red flags
Speaker 4: that sort of point to why he could have been.
Speaker 2: What do you believe a possible motive would be for
Speaker 2: someone taking a dad's.
Speaker 4: Life money he had nobody left to take. He told
Speaker 4: me the friday before that he was only down to
Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars, you know, with the money next to
Speaker 4: his seeing it, And now I know maybe he was
Speaker 4: just keeping me in the loop. I don't know, but
Speaker 4: it was weird why he felt like you need to
Speaker 4: tell me that it was only down to ten thousand,
Speaker 4: you know how, I said, he normally have about eighty thousand,
Speaker 4: and he realized he was only about down to ten
Speaker 4: ten And I found out later that apparently it was
Speaker 4: only four when it was taken from the house. But
Speaker 4: even if we say four thousand, that's still doesn't make
Speaker 4: sense why he would have gone to the atm that
Speaker 4: many times, especially after the four if he did, you know,
Speaker 4: having that four thousand next to his bed. Dad did
Speaker 4: have a will and it was fifty to fifty for
Speaker 4: both of his daughters. And that's the other thing. That
Speaker 4: was three phone calls Thursday, Friday, Saturday leading up to
Speaker 4: my father's disappearance from unknown numbers. And I still don't
Speaker 4: know who those people are. I still don't know why
Speaker 4: he's random. Three people, random numbers been called my father
Speaker 4: just happened to be the three days before. I don't know.
Speaker 4: They don't even check, you spone until I had actually
Speaker 4: flagged with him, probably about May nineteen or something like that.
Speaker 4: I said to you please check his phone, his phone records,
Speaker 4: you know, because things weren't adding up, and I just
Speaker 4: I really wanted to. Yeah, so I've I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would love it if if they did, and I
Speaker 4: could at least have an answer, because you know, he
Speaker 4: had certain friends, and I said to the police, you
Speaker 4: can easily analyze his you know, telephone records, because it's
Speaker 4: other than me, sister Phil. You certain certain people that
Speaker 4: he calls, you know, So these three phone calls are
Speaker 4: out of the ordinary.
Speaker 2: Bell How has this affected your life.
Speaker 4: I'll never been same. You know, I've had people people
Speaker 4: part the in front of my house. I've been followed.
Speaker 4: I've even followed someone because she was down to the
Speaker 4: front of my house. I remember I went to go
Speaker 4: get fish and chips with my daughter. I had her
Speaker 4: in the car and I realized, all this is weird
Speaker 4: and and I'm not chasing this woman because I knew
Speaker 4: she'd been out in front of my house. And then
Speaker 4: I turned around. O shit, I got my daughter in
Speaker 4: so Spain. I've got my daughter in the car, and
Speaker 4: then I looked at her face and she was panicking
Speaker 4: on what am I doing. And we've had another incidents where,
Speaker 4: you know, we've had a scare the day we went
Speaker 4: to see a barrister. You know, we've had two people
Speaker 4: drive past our house and intimidate us and we went
Speaker 4: into hiding. We pulled my kids out of school and
Speaker 4: we went into hiding. It's we've got a house on
Speaker 4: alert because we are worried for our lives. And why
Speaker 4: would we have this worries if you committed suicide, why
Speaker 4: would people care? That's what I don't get. But there
Speaker 4: is something not right, and yes, it's affected my life
Speaker 4: every single day.
Speaker 6: It has affected us as Belsen, where you have had
Speaker 6: people park outside our house. But there was definitely this
Speaker 6: one day where I was in the kitchen and I
Speaker 6: held this very loud music coming from a car which
Speaker 6: was straightened for our street when a cold sacks an
Speaker 6: area and whatever else and older people in the streets
Speaker 6: and that it just got my attention straight away, and
Speaker 6: I went straight to the front of the window and
Speaker 6: there was this old commodore parked out the front.
Speaker 5: Of our house. They were staring at her house.
Speaker 6: They started tooting the horn like crazy, and a couple
Speaker 6: of big, sort of hairy guys in the car and
Speaker 6: they just stared up at the house for a while
Speaker 6: and then they just gunned it off.
Speaker 5: Took off laughing. They looked each laughing at this.
Speaker 6: It was designed to get our attention, and it did.
Speaker 6: We immediately went into hiding for a few days. Immediately
Speaker 6: called Joe birth, the person in charge of our case,
Speaker 6: which he took it seriously. As Bell said, there's an alert
Speaker 6: on the house so if anything does happen in the future,
Speaker 6: where you can make a call and the police will
Speaker 6: be there straightaway. I hear noises in the middle of
Speaker 6: night and I've got to get up to see if
Speaker 6: everything's okay. You could look after my family. I now
Speaker 6: sleep with a small axe next to my bed. I
Speaker 6: don't know what I'm going.
Speaker 5: To do, just be was a bigger man of than me.
Speaker 6: But yeah, we're not making this stuff that someone has
Speaker 6: tried to attendidays, They tried to get our attention, and
Speaker 6: that doesn't happen with suicide.
Speaker 5: This has affected us greatly and it still will.
Speaker 6: And we get scared on what to say sometimes because
Speaker 6: even doing this was a big deal, because we think
Speaker 6: some serious people have been used to get rided bells
Speaker 6: down to get regressed for money, and it's a scary
Speaker 6: thought thing.
Speaker 5: Those people are trying to scare you off. So it's yeah,
Speaker 5: you're a you're a husband, you.
Speaker 6: Want to protect your family in every way, and yeah,
Speaker 6: that's constantly on my mind, constantly on my mind, and
Speaker 6: it's not fair to live like that. Yeah I'm not
Speaker 6: easily shaken, but yeah that trok me for sure, Belle.
Speaker 2: One of my final questions, is there any chance that
Speaker 2: your dad drove from his house for an hour and
Speaker 2: seventeen minutes parked his car at the Lancelod Beach Hotel
Speaker 2: walked down to the water and drowned himself.
Speaker 4: No, absolutely not. No. Wait and if anyone else would
Speaker 4: glad to challenge me on that, please step forward. You know,
Speaker 4: I've been vocal, I've been honest. I've done my Facebook page,
Speaker 4: I and everything. If there's anybody else that can tell
Speaker 4: me contrary to that, then please speak up, like I'm uh,
Speaker 4: please prove me wrong.
Speaker 2: The Facebook page is called Justice for Jessper.
Speaker 5: How can people help?
Speaker 4: Already? The amount of support I've had just when the
Speaker 4: general community has been overwhelming, Like it's not something I
Speaker 4: ever expected to have to do, you know, but I've
Speaker 4: sort of reached five hundred likes, and I just people
Speaker 4: can just help me buy continuing to support me. You know,
Speaker 4: they've been sharing my posts, they've been you know, just
Speaker 4: offering support. And the amount of people that have reached out,
Speaker 4: like you know, and I've had brib investigators reached out.
Speaker 4: You know, I want to help you for free and
Speaker 4: thinks because obviously they no, we don't have the money.
Speaker 4: And there's this there's some beautiful people out there that
Speaker 4: restores your faith, you know, But it's just if you
Speaker 4: know something, say something, even if it's little. Even if
Speaker 4: it's something small, I just want I just wait. Silence
Speaker 4: is not what you need when you have this type
Speaker 4: of ambiguous loss. You need people to speak up. And
Speaker 4: there are people that know what happened to my dad.
Speaker 4: So if there's people that know, please just support any
Speaker 4: information other than that, you know, the support that they
Speaker 4: keep receiving from everyone is just overwhelming, and that's all
Speaker 4: I can hope for. I just I'll never give up.
Speaker 2: Joe Burr, the investigating officer in the case of John Jensen,
Speaker 2: may not necessarily agree with Belle and Darren's view on
Speaker 2: what happened to their dad, but they do share the
Speaker 2: common goal of finding an answer.
Speaker 3: The best way for anybody to give us some information
Speaker 3: that we previously don't know is the contact crime stoppers.
Speaker 3: Crime Stoppers they are excellent and collating information that comes
Speaker 3: into them and feeding it through to it in person.
Speaker 3: So any intelligence that comes in is automatically then transferred
Speaker 3: to us and a sign to us as investigators to
Speaker 3: follow up on. If anybody out there did have some
Speaker 3: information that we don't currently know, or do you think
Speaker 3: that we may not currently have to know, I'd be
Speaker 3: more than happy to look at that because although this
Speaker 3: has gone to the coroners, that's by no means the
Speaker 3: end of the situation. I mean Bells are and the
Speaker 3: rest of the family They've obviously still living this night there.
Speaker 3: So anything that can help us bring that to some
Speaker 3: kind of inclusion for them and help them move on
Speaker 3: from this whole situation would be very much appreciated and
Speaker 3: something that we would be easier to hear.
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