WEBVTT - A medium told me my Dad was murdered. 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:07.281 Approche production. 0:00:12.521 --> 0:00:15.681 This is not just the story of a missing man. 0:00:17.001 --> 0:00:20.081 It's the story of how ambiguous loss can not only 0:00:20.161 --> 0:00:25.160 hurt a family, it can tear them apart. Belle Wilma 0:00:25.601 --> 0:00:29.441 and her husband Darren believe her dad was killed for money. 0:00:30.401 --> 0:00:37.081 Police believe that he's missing presumed dead. You can head 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:47.120 back to previous episodes to make your own decisions. In 0:00:47.161 --> 0:00:50.281 the last four years, John's bank accounts have not been touched, 0:00:50.961 --> 0:00:54.961 he didn't have a mobile phone, his healthcare card or 0:00:55.001 --> 0:00:58.161 any other documents that link to him have not been accessed. 0:00:59.681 --> 0:01:03.201 As with most missing persons cases, the public plays an 0:01:03.241 --> 0:01:07.041 integral part in helping police in the family get closure. 0:01:08.641 --> 0:01:12.240 It's the reason we put these podcasts together. We think 0:01:12.321 --> 0:01:15.360 that maybe we could reach a new audience, an audience 0:01:15.401 --> 0:01:17.720 that may have not heard the story of a missing 0:01:17.761 --> 0:01:24.681 grandfather from Perth. I asked the investigating officer, Joe from 0:01:24.721 --> 0:01:29.041 homicide in wa was assigned to the missing persons unit, 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.000 if there'd been any signings of Jawn since his disappearance. 0:01:34.881 --> 0:01:36.481 For the media were very good at the time. The 0:01:36.521 --> 0:01:41.440 media really engaged with us as a police force and 0:01:41.081 --> 0:01:43.440 they were able to get the message out. The sisters 0:01:43.441 --> 0:01:45.920 will getting that message out to members of the public. 0:01:46.961 --> 0:01:50.401 We had some fightings come forward to us, people that 0:01:51.441 --> 0:01:54.441 suspected that they may have seen mister Johnson in and 0:01:54.481 --> 0:01:58.921 around Lanceton at the time, But unfortunately, despite our attempts, 0:01:58.921 --> 0:02:03.601 we weren't able to corroborate those titans. There was one 0:02:03.681 --> 0:02:07.761 or two that I felt were unlikely. There was one 0:02:07.881 --> 0:02:13.281 that was possible but couldn't be proved. And regardless of that, unfortunately, 0:02:13.361 --> 0:02:16.201 other than placing him in Lancelin at the time, they 0:02:16.281 --> 0:02:20.201 didn't offer anything that could lead to the resolution of 0:02:20.601 --> 0:02:24.481 the case or locating mister Jensen. So the members of 0:02:24.481 --> 0:02:26.881 the public were great coming forward, but unfortunately I couldn't 0:02:26.881 --> 0:02:29.160 corroborate or the opposites that were dealing at the time 0:02:29.201 --> 0:02:32.960 to not corroborate any of that. CCTV or any service Science. 0:02:35.081 --> 0:02:39.280 Talk me through the man that was spotted. I believe 0:02:39.321 --> 0:02:41.281 it was by someone that was riding a bike. Is 0:02:41.281 --> 0:02:41.841 that correct? 0:02:42.641 --> 0:02:45.881 Yeah, I think on the twenty fifth of June, about 0:02:45.881 --> 0:02:50.081 eight am, remember, the public was riding a bike in Lancelin. 0:02:51.161 --> 0:02:56.401 He saw a mail that wasn't this similar in appearance 0:02:57.201 --> 0:03:01.721 to mister Jensen. He said that the man was walking carefully, 0:03:02.361 --> 0:03:06.881 not boldly, as if he was worried about traffic. Remember, 0:03:06.921 --> 0:03:09.601 the public did say hello to this gentleman. He could 0:03:09.641 --> 0:03:12.841 never be identified by us, and there is every possibility 0:03:12.881 --> 0:03:15.800 that that was mister Jensen, but there's also every possibility 0:03:15.881 --> 0:03:23.761 that it wasn't. It's something that we couldn't We couldn't confirm. 0:03:24.361 --> 0:03:27.161 If this gentleman did fight mister Jensen, then we would 0:03:27.201 --> 0:03:29.161 know that mister Jensen was on his own at the time, 0:03:29.601 --> 0:03:32.800 but we can't take that as evidence then use that 0:03:32.841 --> 0:03:37.161 because we just can't confirm it. So it's frustrating from 0:03:37.161 --> 0:03:40.041 an investigative point of view because I'd like to be 0:03:40.081 --> 0:03:42.641 able to confirm that or be able to disregard it. 0:03:42.681 --> 0:03:46.041 And despite all the investigation that's taken place, I can't 0:03:46.081 --> 0:03:48.641 be sure that mister Jensen was the person that that 0:03:48.721 --> 0:03:49.801 gentleman saw on the day. 0:03:50.161 --> 0:03:53.721 Bill also confirmed a few sidings that led to nothing. 0:03:54.601 --> 0:03:56.401 I mean, there was a bit of a flurry I 0:03:56.561 --> 0:04:00.041 found around Facebook because obviously social media nowadays, you know, 0:04:00.561 --> 0:04:03.161 You've been a lot of comments and apparently the gardener 0:04:03.241 --> 0:04:05.481 up there looks familiar, all looks similar to my father. 0:04:05.881 --> 0:04:09.841 Quite a few people had said that, so I'm not 0:04:10.441 --> 0:04:13.401 I'm not sure but there was comments from one particular 0:04:13.441 --> 0:04:15.201 witness saying that there was a man dressed in black 0:04:15.241 --> 0:04:18.401 stating next to my dad's vehicle texting, you know, and 0:04:18.401 --> 0:04:20.281 then he was seeing texting again, you know, in the 0:04:20.361 --> 0:04:24.441 beer garden. Whether this person is is was possibly the 0:04:24.481 --> 0:04:27.361 one that dropped the vehicle off, I don't know, but no, 0:04:27.401 --> 0:04:29.121 there was no sightings off my father. 0:04:31.401 --> 0:04:34.200 When you have ambiguous loss and not knowing the answer, 0:04:34.361 --> 0:04:38.161 you you sometimes and I think we all do this, 0:04:38.281 --> 0:04:40.881 you look for answers. And one of the places that 0:04:40.961 --> 0:04:45.041 you looked for answers was with a psychic medium. 0:04:45.961 --> 0:04:50.961 Yeah, that's correct. I mean, you know, it's something I guess, 0:04:51.001 --> 0:04:53.361 you know, you get desperate. I'm not the only one. 0:04:53.361 --> 0:04:55.721 There's plenty of cold cases where people have reached out 0:04:55.761 --> 0:04:58.041 in those situations, and you know, it was something that 0:04:58.121 --> 0:05:01.400 you know, you know, I've been interested in anyway, so 0:05:01.481 --> 0:05:03.520 back and you know, my sister even once had a 0:05:03.561 --> 0:05:05.961 psychic party years ago at her house and my mum 0:05:06.081 --> 0:05:07.361 was there, and you know what I mean. So we 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.121 were just in that sort of stuff and my mum died. 0:05:10.401 --> 0:05:12.520 We actually went to see John Edwards together, you know. 0:05:13.161 --> 0:05:16.080 Again it was just more interesting or whatever, and so 0:05:16.241 --> 0:05:18.320 basically once a year to the day, popped up on 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.561 my Facebook feed this particular medium which I can't disclose 0:05:21.601 --> 0:05:24.001 his name, but you know, I was doing a seminar 0:05:24.001 --> 0:05:26.601 at Tune Reception Center. So I thought, bugaret, you know, 0:05:26.841 --> 0:05:29.880 it was actually cheaping. Only these things are expensive. So 0:05:29.961 --> 0:05:31.561 I said to my girlfriend, why don't you come along, 0:05:31.681 --> 0:05:32.641 you know, why don't we just go? 0:05:34.681 --> 0:05:35.841 And and we did. 0:05:36.841 --> 0:05:40.960 But yeah, weirdly enough, my sister and O her husband 0:05:41.001 --> 0:05:43.841 were also at that same seminar, but we were obviously 0:05:43.921 --> 0:05:45.961 estranged by that point, so we did not go together 0:05:47.241 --> 0:05:47.681 as such. 0:05:48.201 --> 0:05:49.681 And did the psychic say anything? 0:05:50.401 --> 0:05:52.481 He did, look, I didn't sort of get a reading. 0:05:52.521 --> 0:05:53.721 It was sort of one of those, you know, fairly 0:05:53.761 --> 0:05:56.801 intimate little settings where you know, he'll go around reading people. 0:05:56.841 --> 0:05:58.440 And I kept putting my hand up right at the 0:05:58.481 --> 0:06:02.161 very end, and you know, because I was keen to 0:06:02.161 --> 0:06:03.801 try and get it ready, I was just in I 0:06:03.801 --> 0:06:06.041 didn't know what to expect, you know, a bit dubious, 0:06:06.081 --> 0:06:08.361 I guess, you know, I've never had a connection or anything, 0:06:08.401 --> 0:06:10.761 you know, but I thought one not, I really know, 0:06:10.761 --> 0:06:12.481 I put my hand up writer yet and then he 0:06:14.201 --> 0:06:16.121 and then he pit me and obviously you know, sort 0:06:16.121 --> 0:06:18.320 of started sort of connecting or whatever, and then you 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:23.041 could see him instantly, Yeah, look quite ill and just 0:06:23.081 --> 0:06:26.721 when what what's happened? And then he goes, was your 0:06:26.761 --> 0:06:29.241 dad murdered? And I said, well, it's still under investigabe 0:06:29.241 --> 0:06:31.241 me know, he haven't found his body. And he goes, 0:06:31.521 --> 0:06:32.961 I can't talk to you about this in front of 0:06:32.961 --> 0:06:34.761 everyone else, you know, I'll talk to you after the 0:06:34.801 --> 0:06:38.841 seminar geographic sort of information that was coming through, and 0:06:40.001 --> 0:06:42.161 so yeah, he was kind of enough and he said, look, 0:06:42.161 --> 0:06:43.881 I didn't want to talk to both of you as 0:06:43.961 --> 0:06:46.961 in a sister and myself, you know, after after the fact. 0:06:47.081 --> 0:06:50.801 So finished up the show and yeah he had private reading. 0:06:50.841 --> 0:06:54.201 And yeah, the information that was told to us that night, 0:06:54.961 --> 0:06:58.641 it's not the sort of fluffy, airy fairy, lovey dovey 0:06:59.041 --> 0:07:04.280 information that you know, traditionally psychic or you know, medium sorry, 0:07:05.281 --> 0:07:07.840 you know, would tell you. You know, so this guy's 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.281 been pretty blatantly honesty. You could tell it affected him 0:07:10.321 --> 0:07:12.801 in terms of the information he was trying to pass on. 0:07:12.881 --> 0:07:16.081 But yeah, he made it very clear that you know, 0:07:16.161 --> 0:07:19.801 dad has met with foul play and you know, openly 0:07:20.161 --> 0:07:23.001 telling it to both of us and sort of giving 0:07:23.081 --> 0:07:26.081 us details, graphic details that you don't want to hear. 0:07:26.401 --> 0:07:28.721 Obviously as the daughter, obviously he didn't want to tell us. 0:07:29.161 --> 0:07:34.041 But but yeah, it just sort of cemented my It's 0:07:34.041 --> 0:07:36.281 cemented my theories. 0:07:36.321 --> 0:07:37.160 I guess my thoughts. 0:07:37.121 --> 0:07:38.681 So, I mean, I knew he had passed obviously, and 0:07:38.721 --> 0:07:41.041 I knew he committed citicide. And he was very clear 0:07:41.041 --> 0:07:42.521 with that ressage. He goes, I've been doing this for 0:07:42.561 --> 0:07:45.241 so many years. I know when that for me to suicide, 0:07:45.281 --> 0:07:46.881 you know, And I know it's a weird topic. It's 0:07:46.921 --> 0:07:50.681 something that's very out of the ordinary. It's very you know, 0:07:50.841 --> 0:07:53.241 some people you know my sort of. 0:07:54.921 --> 0:08:01.281 I'm naturally skeptic. And yeah, the things he said, you. 0:08:03.241 --> 0:08:05.081 Don't take it lightly, you don't take it. 0:08:05.361 --> 0:08:06.041 I don't know who. 0:08:05.881 --> 0:08:10.081 Would say those things anyhow, But yeah, it's but he 0:08:10.521 --> 0:08:14.001 also said many things as far as money and all that, 0:08:14.041 --> 0:08:15.600 which very much rained true. 0:08:15.721 --> 0:08:18.521 So for Belle was very much a confirmation. 0:08:18.721 --> 0:08:19.481 Was just a confirmation. 0:08:19.801 --> 0:08:24.841 Yeah, this is not the first time that I've talked 0:08:24.881 --> 0:08:28.641 to someone who suffers from ambiguous loss and that has 0:08:28.721 --> 0:08:31.481 contacted a psychic. You don't have to be a believer 0:08:32.041 --> 0:08:35.721 to understand that when someone your love disappears without a trace. 0:08:36.481 --> 0:08:40.001 You'll do anything to find an answer, even if that 0:08:40.041 --> 0:08:43.281 goes against what you've believed for most of your life. 0:08:47.481 --> 0:08:50.161 Bell has passed over a copy of the recording that 0:08:50.281 --> 0:08:53.041 her and a sister made with a psychic medium in 0:08:53.121 --> 0:08:58.401 Perth on the twenty sixth of June twenty eighteen to 0:08:58.521 --> 0:09:03.081 recap Both Bell and her sister, who at the time 0:09:03.161 --> 0:09:06.801 were estranged, happened to go to the same psychic medium 0:09:07.241 --> 0:09:10.241 at a reception hall in Perth after seeing an ad 0:09:10.281 --> 0:09:14.681 on Facebook. They sat away from each other and never interacted. 0:09:17.201 --> 0:09:20.881 During the evening, Bell raised her hand and in Bell's words, 0:09:21.401 --> 0:09:24.361 the psychic knew that something had happened and he said 0:09:24.401 --> 0:09:28.961 that post show they should meet him private. Bell's sister 0:09:29.561 --> 0:09:36.441 also attended this meeting backstage. The following recording is the 0:09:36.481 --> 0:09:40.081 actual recording of that meeting, which is being played with 0:09:40.121 --> 0:09:46.121 the psychic medium's permission. His website says he's a well 0:09:46.161 --> 0:09:50.761 respected psychic medium in Australia and he's passionate about helping others. 0:09:51.881 --> 0:09:56.161 He starts by talking about how Jawn is coming to him. 0:09:56.041 --> 0:09:59.281 Because that's the way that he cuts through the way 0:09:59.281 --> 0:10:01.241 that he showed me as well and I need to 0:10:01.281 --> 0:10:03.081 be honest as well. 0:10:03.161 --> 0:10:04.521 It's like he was. 0:10:06.441 --> 0:10:09.881 What's what's that? What's what's an ax? He keeps showing 0:10:09.881 --> 0:10:12.961 me your next. Was he hit with an ax? 0:10:13.081 --> 0:10:14.201 Was he murdered with the ax? 0:10:14.681 --> 0:10:17.081 There was blood at the house. We don't know what happened. 0:10:17.321 --> 0:10:18.241 It's been analyzed. 0:10:18.841 --> 0:10:20.361 Yeah, okay, cause he keeps showing me your next. 0:10:20.401 --> 0:10:23.881 But this is the way that that uh, I don't 0:10:23.921 --> 0:10:26.721 know if there was something to do. But he's also 0:10:26.721 --> 0:10:29.721 showing you people taking or people have got him or. 0:10:29.641 --> 0:10:31.721 There was males that have got him gender. 0:10:31.921 --> 0:10:37.601 Yea, what people are getting him or or taking him 0:10:37.921 --> 0:10:39.721 or have abducted him. 0:10:40.521 --> 0:10:42.761 It's like there's a group of males. 0:10:42.441 --> 0:10:43.001 That have got. 0:10:45.161 --> 0:10:45.801 It's all known. 0:10:45.921 --> 0:10:49.001 He's deceased, but the way that he passed or the 0:10:49.041 --> 0:10:51.721 way it's like somebody has taken him or got him. 0:10:51.721 --> 0:10:56.241 That's what I mean when he was alive. Kakay cause 0:10:56.281 --> 0:10:57.401 this is like foul play. 0:10:58.201 --> 0:10:59.841 Yep, I knew it. 0:11:00.441 --> 0:11:03.721 Yeah, And that's what Dad showing me. And it's like 0:11:04.001 --> 0:11:09.001 people coming in and and and it's not giving me, Oh, 0:11:09.001 --> 0:11:11.601 this is what that child and that's why do you 0:11:11.681 --> 0:11:15.321 wanna talk about it? But it's like, I mean, getting 0:11:15.361 --> 0:11:17.441 you that he's talking about it in the boot and 0:11:17.441 --> 0:11:20.361 and he's gone his his life, that that gotten rid 0:11:20.401 --> 0:11:20.561 of it? 0:11:22.761 --> 0:11:24.601 What's with the boot? What's in the boot? Did that 0:11:24.641 --> 0:11:26.481 find in anything in the boot? Just he felt how 0:11:26.801 --> 0:11:28.401 how like you think? Okay? 0:11:28.881 --> 0:11:30.681 Because he keeps talking about in his boot. I don't 0:11:30.681 --> 0:11:32.841 know if there was blood or he was in the boot, 0:11:32.881 --> 0:11:36.161 but they cause I feel like here the way that 0:11:36.201 --> 0:11:37.961 he come through is like he's taken or his beat 0:11:38.121 --> 0:11:41.561 he's beat bashed. And that's that's what I keep seeing him. Okay, 0:11:44.721 --> 0:11:46.161 hasn't he been found or what's what? 0:11:46.441 --> 0:11:47.881 No? Not everything. 0:11:55.361 --> 0:11:59.001 That flood in the house. Yeah, he's I'm gonna be honest. 0:11:59.001 --> 0:12:00.161 It's he's been dragged out. 0:12:01.361 --> 0:12:04.241 It's like somebody has has taken what three guys have 0:12:04.321 --> 0:12:08.721 come in and take me and they and that's what 0:12:09.121 --> 0:12:11.041 what he keeps seeing. And he keeps seeing me. I 0:12:11.081 --> 0:12:14.041 don't know if this is know him is my man? 0:12:15.801 --> 0:12:18.241 Here's something there's a connection there, yes, with you. And 0:12:18.281 --> 0:12:21.801 there's also what he keeps showing me is with his acts. 0:12:21.641 --> 0:12:28.561 This is how old is going be. Please be honest, 0:12:30.081 --> 0:12:33.841 because they're wacking the moment there. Yeah, and they're waking 0:12:33.921 --> 0:12:37.121 him in the back like the wacky movie. But it's 0:12:37.161 --> 0:12:38.921 like he's gone in he in the ditch. 0:12:38.761 --> 0:12:41.801 Or he's buried in blush land because he's showing me bushland, 0:12:41.881 --> 0:12:44.561 or like he's uried. You're not gonna find what he's 0:12:44.761 --> 0:12:47.681 he's saying, but he's what he showing. 0:12:47.761 --> 0:12:51.681 He is, Like, what's with the kitchen? Is it? Did 0:12:51.721 --> 0:12:52.041 you find it? 0:12:52.281 --> 0:12:54.361 Was? He was bothing his feet out near the kitchen area. 0:12:54.521 --> 0:12:56.681 It's okay because this is where they've come in and 0:12:56.761 --> 0:12:59.841 this is where they work and it's free grise and 0:12:59.881 --> 0:13:01.201 this is what And that's why I said. 0:13:01.001 --> 0:13:02.401 I can't talk about it in front of the room 0:13:02.441 --> 0:13:03.721 because it's like he's been. 0:13:05.201 --> 0:13:09.361 Was taking every gus. But these guys that did it, 0:13:09.361 --> 0:13:12.681 they were cleaning up that. It was like they made 0:13:12.721 --> 0:13:14.921 sure where where the mess was and where the blood 0:13:15.001 --> 0:13:16.241 not to have it everywhere. 0:13:17.881 --> 0:13:18.601 Were there and. 0:13:18.561 --> 0:13:21.241 It wasn't on the part of it, not in his car, but. 0:13:22.881 --> 0:13:25.521 There was struggling with him, but there was three three guys. 0:13:25.521 --> 0:13:27.521 But they keep whacking in over the back of the 0:13:27.601 --> 0:13:29.121 head like they keep knocking him out. 0:13:29.161 --> 0:13:30.561 And so that's that's what your day. 0:13:30.641 --> 0:13:32.961 Keep sure when you say it was found played, does 0:13:33.001 --> 0:13:35.201 he give you any hints of to to why or 0:13:35.481 --> 0:13:38.241 or outlaither. Way that he's talking about is is like 0:13:39.001 --> 0:13:41.001 it's not just somebody's just disappeared. 0:13:41.041 --> 0:13:44.201 There's it's about like there's there's something there that there's. 0:13:44.001 --> 0:13:45.121 Something but was it? 0:13:45.201 --> 0:13:47.681 Was it robbery or was it It's like your. 0:13:47.641 --> 0:13:51.961 Dad or your father knew knew of them, or new 0:13:52.041 --> 0:13:53.361 friends that knew of them. 0:13:53.521 --> 0:13:56.361 And I don't know if there was money or owing 0:13:56.361 --> 0:13:58.601 money or something to do with money, And what's I 0:13:58.601 --> 0:14:00.481 don't know if there was a bank account. Actually there 0:14:00.521 --> 0:14:04.401 was some money gone, but it's had to do with that, okay. 0:14:05.681 --> 0:14:06.441 And what's April? 0:14:06.521 --> 0:14:09.401 I keep saying an April, Dad, April, we have a 0:14:09.481 --> 0:14:10.281 big falling Easter. 0:14:13.441 --> 0:14:16.641 This psyekic does not know the sisters. There is a 0:14:16.721 --> 0:14:18.721 chance that he could have read some of the details 0:14:18.761 --> 0:14:22.161 about John's disappearance in the paper, but it would be 0:14:22.241 --> 0:14:25.681 unusual for him to have any information about the kitchen 0:14:26.201 --> 0:14:30.041 and why it was important. Also him knowing about the 0:14:30.041 --> 0:14:33.961 significance of April and the fact that money or missing 0:14:34.001 --> 0:14:38.041 money was a possible motive. He also makes a claim 0:14:38.161 --> 0:14:41.001 that in his contact on the other side with their dad, 0:14:41.721 --> 0:14:44.561 the dad is saying, one of my daughters thinks I 0:14:44.601 --> 0:14:48.801 went missing. One of my daughters thinks I was taken, 0:14:49.521 --> 0:14:50.321 and she's right. 0:14:52.961 --> 0:14:55.601 I don't know if what he believe one story will 0:14:55.641 --> 0:14:58.081 believe that that's not the way to happen. What are 0:14:58.081 --> 0:14:59.921 you saying, is like one of the daughters or one 0:14:59.921 --> 0:15:03.161 of the girls that liked him, this has happened, like 0:15:03.761 --> 0:15:06.241 what I'm saying, Yeah, I thought, and he's going and 0:15:06.321 --> 0:15:10.001 she thinks that someone it is if someone's coming in. 0:15:10.081 --> 0:15:15.801 But yeah, people come to me for private roads and stuff. 0:15:15.801 --> 0:15:18.401 And I have no idea what you guys come for. 0:15:18.721 --> 0:15:20.361 Like you sit there and I just got a little 0:15:20.401 --> 0:15:24.121 of it. And there's so many times ago we believe you. 0:15:24.401 --> 0:15:28.161 Then what because everything you say matches of yea, yeah, 0:15:28.361 --> 0:15:29.921 and this is the way. It's like, that's why I 0:15:29.921 --> 0:15:31.961 couldn't talk about it, because but your day keep showing 0:15:32.001 --> 0:15:33.441 me your next. 0:15:33.081 --> 0:15:35.921 For me if I see I say it, and that's 0:15:35.961 --> 0:15:37.241 what what you don't keep showing me. 0:15:39.041 --> 0:15:41.561 Yeah, I'll never give up though, So it's not over. 0:15:45.201 --> 0:15:50.761 The psychic medium's final claim this was not suicide. George 0:15:50.801 --> 0:15:54.721 Jensen was murdered, most likely for money. 0:15:57.321 --> 0:15:59.201 The way that they did it and then everything else 0:15:59.321 --> 0:16:01.641 is it's like they covered and you're not going to 0:16:01.641 --> 0:16:02.881 fight like it's. 0:16:03.081 --> 0:16:06.561 You can keep looking, you can keep but you know what, when. 0:16:06.641 --> 0:16:08.641 It's your turn to pass, Dad will be there waiting 0:16:08.681 --> 0:16:10.681 for you, and you will and you know what, you 0:16:10.681 --> 0:16:12.481 guys were meant to be here tonight, and you work 0:16:12.601 --> 0:16:15.481 because I can only tell you what I'm seeing, what 0:16:15.601 --> 0:16:17.761 he's passing on, and that's the confirmation about the nation 0:16:17.841 --> 0:16:18.161 as well. 0:16:18.441 --> 0:16:22.681 So for me, that's it comes through, very very sure 0:16:22.841 --> 0:16:23.201 that it does. 0:16:23.881 --> 0:16:28.281 I've never felt like this before a show, and the 0:16:28.321 --> 0:16:31.041 way that it's like this was definitely your dad. 0:16:31.561 --> 0:16:34.361 I can't help pilip so many. 0:16:33.881 --> 0:16:36.921 But he keeps showing you the back and like somebody 0:16:37.041 --> 0:16:38.561 go out of that bang bang bang. 0:16:42.361 --> 0:16:45.201 Whether you believe in mediums or not, you can only 0:16:45.241 --> 0:16:47.321 imagine how shocking this would have been to hear. For 0:16:47.441 --> 0:16:51.481 Belle and her sister. This medium is saying that a 0:16:51.601 --> 0:17:00.321 dad was taken by three men and was bashed. He says, 0:17:01.321 --> 0:17:05.521 her dad knews amen, and after they attacked him with axe, 0:17:06.201 --> 0:17:13.401 they buried him in a ditch in the bush. Bell 0:17:13.521 --> 0:17:16.080 has been very careful in our chat, and as I've 0:17:16.120 --> 0:17:20.241 mentioned before, we're not making any suggestions that anyone has 0:17:20.281 --> 0:17:23.760 done anything wrong. We're just presenting the facts as we 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.121 know them. In saying this, I didn't want to beat 0:17:27.120 --> 0:17:30.001 around the bush with Belle about asking her a question 0:17:30.041 --> 0:17:33.321 that I think I already knew the answer to. What 0:17:33.360 --> 0:17:35.761 does Bell think happen to her dad? 0:17:37.721 --> 0:17:41.561 No, I, one hand, on my heart, believe he was murdered, 0:17:42.961 --> 0:17:46.441 and I believe the fact that, yeah, there's red flags 0:17:47.001 --> 0:17:51.441 that sort of point to why he could have been. 0:17:52.721 --> 0:17:55.080 What do you believe a possible motive would be for 0:17:55.201 --> 0:17:56.360 someone taking a dad's. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:03.840 Life money he had nobody left to take. He told 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.120 me the friday before that he was only down to 0:18:07.201 --> 0:18:10.640 ten thousand dollars, you know, with the money next to 0:18:10.681 --> 0:18:12.920 his seeing it, And now I know maybe he was 0:18:13.001 --> 0:18:16.641 just keeping me in the loop. I don't know, but 0:18:16.761 --> 0:18:19.080 it was weird why he felt like you need to 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:20.680 tell me that it was only down to ten thousand, 0:18:20.761 --> 0:18:22.881 you know how, I said, he normally have about eighty thousand, 0:18:22.921 --> 0:18:25.281 and he realized he was only about down to ten 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.440 ten And I found out later that apparently it was 0:18:28.481 --> 0:18:31.521 only four when it was taken from the house. But 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.241 even if we say four thousand, that's still doesn't make 0:18:35.281 --> 0:18:37.281 sense why he would have gone to the atm that 0:18:37.360 --> 0:18:42.640 many times, especially after the four if he did, you know, 0:18:42.681 --> 0:18:45.441 having that four thousand next to his bed. Dad did 0:18:45.481 --> 0:18:47.880 have a will and it was fifty to fifty for 0:18:47.961 --> 0:18:51.640 both of his daughters. And that's the other thing. That 0:18:51.721 --> 0:18:55.680 was three phone calls Thursday, Friday, Saturday leading up to 0:18:55.721 --> 0:18:58.561 my father's disappearance from unknown numbers. And I still don't 0:18:58.561 --> 0:19:02.761 know who those people are. I still don't know why 0:19:02.921 --> 0:19:06.080 he's random. Three people, random numbers been called my father 0:19:06.241 --> 0:19:09.561 just happened to be the three days before. I don't know. 0:19:10.281 --> 0:19:12.761 They don't even check, you spone until I had actually 0:19:12.801 --> 0:19:17.080 flagged with him, probably about May nineteen or something like that. 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.441 I said to you please check his phone, his phone records, 0:19:19.481 --> 0:19:23.080 you know, because things weren't adding up, and I just 0:19:23.201 --> 0:19:26.041 I really wanted to. Yeah, so I've I don't know. 0:19:26.921 --> 0:19:29.160 I would love it if if they did, and I 0:19:29.201 --> 0:19:33.640 could at least have an answer, because you know, he 0:19:33.681 --> 0:19:36.041 had certain friends, and I said to the police, you 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.880 can easily analyze his you know, telephone records, because it's 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.761 other than me, sister Phil. You certain certain people that 0:19:42.801 --> 0:19:44.600 he calls, you know, So these three phone calls are 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:45.401 out of the ordinary. 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.041 Bell How has this affected your life. 0:19:53.041 --> 0:19:58.281 I'll never been same. You know, I've had people people 0:19:58.521 --> 0:20:02.361 part the in front of my house. I've been followed. 0:20:02.721 --> 0:20:05.440 I've even followed someone because she was down to the 0:20:05.441 --> 0:20:08.160 front of my house. I remember I went to go 0:20:08.241 --> 0:20:10.480 get fish and chips with my daughter. I had her 0:20:10.521 --> 0:20:12.640 in the car and I realized, all this is weird 0:20:12.681 --> 0:20:15.961 and and I'm not chasing this woman because I knew 0:20:15.961 --> 0:20:18.240 she'd been out in front of my house. And then 0:20:18.281 --> 0:20:20.041 I turned around. O shit, I got my daughter in 0:20:20.120 --> 0:20:21.761 so Spain. I've got my daughter in the car, and 0:20:21.761 --> 0:20:24.160 then I looked at her face and she was panicking 0:20:24.241 --> 0:20:27.400 on what am I doing. And we've had another incidents where, 0:20:27.521 --> 0:20:29.481 you know, we've had a scare the day we went 0:20:29.481 --> 0:20:31.161 to see a barrister. You know, we've had two people 0:20:31.241 --> 0:20:33.720 drive past our house and intimidate us and we went 0:20:33.721 --> 0:20:35.561 into hiding. We pulled my kids out of school and 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.880 we went into hiding. It's we've got a house on 0:20:38.921 --> 0:20:42.921 alert because we are worried for our lives. And why 0:20:42.961 --> 0:20:45.521 would we have this worries if you committed suicide, why 0:20:45.521 --> 0:20:48.561 would people care? That's what I don't get. But there 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.200 is something not right, and yes, it's affected my life 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:52.441 every single day. 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.441 It has affected us as Belsen, where you have had 0:20:57.561 --> 0:21:02.681 people park outside our house. But there was definitely this 0:21:02.721 --> 0:21:06.640 one day where I was in the kitchen and I 0:21:06.721 --> 0:21:10.360 held this very loud music coming from a car which 0:21:10.441 --> 0:21:14.600 was straightened for our street when a cold sacks an 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.120 area and whatever else and older people in the streets 0:21:17.120 --> 0:21:19.960 and that it just got my attention straight away, and 0:21:20.001 --> 0:21:22.160 I went straight to the front of the window and 0:21:22.201 --> 0:21:25.441 there was this old commodore parked out the front. 0:21:25.201 --> 0:21:27.441 Of our house. They were staring at her house. 0:21:27.481 --> 0:21:30.761 They started tooting the horn like crazy, and a couple 0:21:30.801 --> 0:21:34.680 of big, sort of hairy guys in the car and 0:21:34.761 --> 0:21:37.281 they just stared up at the house for a while 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.601 and then they just gunned it off. 0:21:40.561 --> 0:21:43.041 Took off laughing. They looked each laughing at this. 0:21:47.481 --> 0:21:52.801 It was designed to get our attention, and it did. 0:21:53.921 --> 0:21:57.001 We immediately went into hiding for a few days. Immediately 0:21:57.120 --> 0:22:00.801 called Joe birth, the person in charge of our case, 0:22:02.281 --> 0:22:04.880 which he took it seriously. As Bell said, there's an alert 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.880