1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Pit Talk brought to you by Shannon's. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: Cars are our passion, building, restoring or modifying. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: It's about making it our own. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 3: It's an obsession. Shannons know what it's worth. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: That's why the agreed value includes all your modifications. 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 3: Get a quote online today. 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 4: This is the moment, then, that we've all been waiting 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 4: for for in a romax. 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: Here comes Oscar Piastree, Lando Norris. 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 4: They aren't playing hardball out there at the moment. Steve 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 4: peverchool moment to twenty twenty four. 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's. 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 2: On this week's episode, Max Mustappen claims his third win 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: of the season ahead of McLaren in a muddle over 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: team orders with Lando Norris and Oscar Piastre, And we 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: look back at the Murder GP round in Barcelona and 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: ahead to this weekend's first and duro in the Supercars Championship. 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: My name is Michael Lomonado. It's great to have your 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: company and the company of my co host. Was he 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: saying boo or Zach boo? Rounds at the podium ceremony. 21 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: It's a math question. I'll say both. 22 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 4: It's nice to spread nice to spread that that was 23 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 4: quite an interesting little aside of many things that were 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 4: interesting in the tail end of that Grand Prix that 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll get to in the next half an hour. 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 3: But I didn't quite see that coming. 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: No, I was surprised by that. 28 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we know that the crowd in 29 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: Monsu is always partisan, but not normally about third party. 30 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it's they had an opinion on everything. Piastre 31 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 4: has good Italian surname, isn't it. 32 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: I suppose though they assumed that he must have been 33 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: your future Ferrari driver. I guess maybe you will be 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: a little bit of a twist, I think. But of 35 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: course that was after what became the unexpected climax of 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: this Grand Prix, because despite very action packed first few laps, 37 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: not too much happened in the middle of the Grand Prix, 38 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: at least in terms of the lead battle, until the 39 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: last ten or so laps when it came time for 40 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: McLaren to make its pit stops for Norris and Piastre, 41 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: and second and third pretty comfortable but uncompetitive, I suppose, 42 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: second or third, non contested second and third and lo 43 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: and behold, Norris ended up with a slow pit stop 44 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: and behind Piastre and the contentious is and of course 45 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: has been the talking point in the Formula One world 46 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: for the last and Sprenk Corps so hours was that 47 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: McLaren asked them to change back. The team justified afterwards 48 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: this was about fairness, sporting fairness. Was a team mistake 49 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: the drivers for on their accounts, of course unsurprising, I 50 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: supposed toad the party line afterwards. That's been very much 51 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: the story at McLaren all season. Look, let's just start. 52 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: What was your reaction to it. 53 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: I'd like to read a piece from a story that 54 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 4: I read today from a bloke called Michael Lemanata from 55 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 4: Fox sports dot Com that are you going to I'm 56 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 4: going to read your own story back to you, because 57 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: this sums it up quite nicely. 58 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 3: Team orders are common in Formula One. 59 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 4: Usually they take place when a following driver is clearly 60 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 4: faster than the leader, or when they're on different strategies. Rare, However, 61 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: does a team intervene on the grounds of natural justice? 62 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 4: Rareer still does it happen when there's a championship on 63 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: the line. It's ironic that McLaren's laudable efforts to be 64 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 4: scrupulously fair in this championship battle risk the team itself 65 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 4: becoming the chief source of controversy. So the reason, well, 66 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: thank you, But to my mind, are we now starting 67 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: to litigate over luck? 68 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: Are we? And what can of worms? 69 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 4: Have we just taken the lid off here if you're McLaren, 70 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 4: because look, Lando Norris was, to use a Sky Sports word, robbed. 71 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: He had a really unfortunate pit stop. Nothing to do 72 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 4: with him, He did nothing wrong to start litigating the 73 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: reversal of positions and the way we're going to allow 74 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 4: these two to race based on luck? Where does this end? 75 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 4: Is there a natural end point to this? Is the 76 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 4: end point where they've won the Constructor's Championshi, which they'll 77 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 4: do next round in Baku. Is the end where Max 78 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: Vstappen is mathematically eliminated from title contention, and then only 79 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: a McLaren can win the World Championship. So you can't 80 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 4: justify decisions like this based on the fact that someone 81 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: I was quite sneaking. If we don't do this properly, 82 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 4: I just thought it was a massive overreach. And yes, 83 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 4: Oscarpe has his championship lead by virtue of the fact 84 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: that Lando Norris had a very unlucky engine failure in Zandfort. 85 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: This was another piece of poor luck for Norris. 86 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 4: But are we really going to start flipping drivers around 87 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 4: based on fortune? And where does this actually stop? I mean, 88 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: are we in a situation now where McLaren said, Oscar Piastri. Look, 89 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 4: Norris had a D and F and lost eighteen points 90 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 4: on a day where you won the Grand Prix at 91 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 4: Zandvoort because of something that was out of his control. 92 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: So we'd like you to also lose eighteen points at 93 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 4: some point to make Where do we draw the line 94 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 4: with this? 95 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? 96 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: I think that for me is the interesting point, and 97 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: I do think this is a more This is really 98 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: an unusually nuanced situation in my opinion, at least because 99 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: it's rare. I mean, every circumstance is when we one 100 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: is different, right, every incident we ever analyze, they're very 101 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: rarely that a tour arelike enough to say, well, you know, 102 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: this is what should have been done, because it has 103 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: been done. But I find this so interesting because in 104 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: this circumstance you almost had your test tube experiment, right, 105 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: These too cars virtually had no one else star racing 106 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: against they happened to be roughly the same place on track. 107 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: Two pit stops that were meant to be identical, exactly 108 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 2: the same tis pretty much the same age two times 109 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: it almost exactly as fast as one another, and you 110 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: happen to get this poor like. 111 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: So I kind of see that. 112 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: But then there's that ethical element, I guess from the 113 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: team's perspective, which is they made a mistake and interfere 114 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: in the championship unexpectedly in a way they didn't want to. 115 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting the way that I think 116 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: it was Andrea stellar, if not as Oscar Piastre. 117 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: Certainly you talked. 118 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: About wanting to take the heat off the team members 119 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: who were not the high profile athletes, which I also 120 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 2: found kind of interesting. One album and I want to 121 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: put to you though, I sort of think he has 122 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: gone a little. 123 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Bit under the radar, and Pastri. 124 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: Sort of alluded to this in his Sky Sports post 125 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: raise interview, which I can see on the KO replay. 126 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: He only alluded to it, so I guess it's sort 127 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: of my interpretation, but he talked about if this had happened, 128 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: because it's important to remember as well, the mechanics do 129 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: pit stops a jointly from both garags right, and there's 130 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 2: this weird that's the element of motorsport that's unusual. But 131 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: the risk of creating a rift between in the garage 132 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: its then starts to happen if a pitstop, because we 133 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: don't know who was on that front left, we know 134 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: whose garage was from was on that front left tire, 135 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: the risk of a rift happening because the focus goes 136 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: on the mechanics that made a mistake and influence the championship. 137 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: I also thought was interesting. There are a lot of elements. 138 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily saying I'm falling on either side of 139 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: the Fenceyer, I do have a opinion, I suppose, but 140 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: it changes a lot. 141 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: I'd be surprised. 142 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: But there's a lot that goes into this decision more 143 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: than just while he was ahead before and now he's 144 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: not and we should go back to it. And I 145 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: found that kind of interesting the way Pastri summed it up. 146 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: But you're talking about the human element. This is a 147 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 4: human sport, Like if we want to take the human 148 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 4: element out of it and the randoms, then why don't 149 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: we just simulate all of this and not bother actually 150 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 4: having a world championship at this point, let's just do 151 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 4: it all on someone's laptop and let us know who. 152 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: We watched that automated Racing League once and that wasn't 153 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 2: very good. 154 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 4: Right, So what was interesting to me is Piastre's reaction here. 155 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 4: I actually thought he played this really really intelligently in 156 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: that clearly he's not going to be happy with the 157 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: outcome here. I thought he put the question out over 158 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 4: the radio because you know that's going to be broadcast, 159 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: and he has kept his powder dry here for two reasons. One, 160 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 4: he has a thirty one point championship lead. Two, there's 161 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 4: eight rounds to go. So if they're now going to 162 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 4: start setting a precedent for we are going to treat 163 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 4: these two drivers unscrupulously fairly the entire way through. This 164 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 4: may pay Piastre back somewhere down the line if he 165 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 4: actually needs it to be paid back. So to my mind, 166 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 4: that's a card that he now has to play at 167 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 4: a moment that he could deploy that for his own benefit. 168 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: And McLaren are kind of boxed into a bit of 169 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: a corner here because if he chooses to play this card, 170 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 4: if he needs to play it, they can't very well, 171 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: go back on what they've done in this instance, because 172 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: that's going to unravel all of the good they're trying 173 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: to do here by trying to make this as fair 174 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 4: as possible. And so to my mind, I thought he 175 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 4: handled it. Now, whether that was prerehearsed or in the 176 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 4: moment or whatever, I actually thought that he handled it 177 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: incredibly well, and that you can kick up a massive 178 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: stink here and you go back through Formula one history 179 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: and you can nominate ten drivers right now that would 180 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: have thrown every toy they had out of the cot. 181 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: But there's eight rounds to go. That's the key part 182 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: for me. 183 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: If this is happening with three rounds to go, it's 184 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: a different response, even if the points gap is still 185 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: the same. If there's three rounds left, then perhaps you 186 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: go hang on a minute, No, no, no, that's not right. 187 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 4: He's kept his power to drive for another day, and 188 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 4: it's a card that he will be able to play 189 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: at some point if he needs to. Now, whether that 190 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 4: was intentional or not, I thought in the moment that 191 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 4: was actually pretty savvy. 192 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 193 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: I like the idea, you know, we talked about it 194 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: after the Dutch Grand Prix. Has got this big lead now, 195 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: and we talked about, well, now he can start to 196 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: play a little bit that numbers game. It doesn't have 197 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: to be at one hundred percent all the time. I 198 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: actually think in this instance it wasn't so much the 199 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: equation saying well I don't necessarily need the three points. 200 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: It felt to me like those three points have been 201 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: cashed in for something else, yep, which is this political card. 202 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: And it reminds me. 203 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: And we talked about this after the British Grand Prix 204 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: the way he responded after the penalty for the safety car, 205 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: and he put the question out there, and he surely 206 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 2: didn't expect a positive response from but he said, well, 207 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 2: if you guys think the penalty was unfair, yep, why 208 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: don't we just back and we'll. 209 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: Go, we'll race again. 210 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: Of course it wasn't going to happen, But then again 211 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: I say, of course something similar ish happened this weekend 212 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: ish part. 213 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: But that's another little building block for. 214 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: An argument he may need to make down the line, 215 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: which I think is very interesting because if we take 216 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: to the logical extension, the decision making mclarent appears to 217 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: have made. It's worth emphasizing here as well, Andreas Stelle 218 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: in particular, says, and I like the way he says 219 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: it because I think it gets him out of some 220 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: needing to answer some questions, and for what it's worth. 221 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: I think he manages the team very well. 222 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: I'm not being critical of him, but he talks about 223 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,359 Speaker 2: not rules but values and principles. 224 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: And the great thing about values in principles is it's 225 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: up to you to decide how they kind of it's 226 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: not a hard and fast rule r. 227 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: But these principles decided in Hungry as an example, I 228 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: know we've already mentioned this, but that Lando Norris accidentally 229 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: ending up on the fastest strategy and it was an accident, 230 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: but that that was fair enough, and the penalty in 231 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: Silicon was fair enough. Maybe going forward now, if we 232 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: find ourselves in a similar situation, Patrick Piastri gets a 233 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: great start leading the race. Norris is fifth, but he 234 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: does the one stop whatever is the case, and ends 235 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: up ahead. 236 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: Piastre says, but he's on it. 237 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: If you've given him a different strategy, you've affected the 238 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: outcome of this race without my Because the other thing 239 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: that I think is important distinction here is that Norris 240 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: gave his permission to be pit second. Yes, And at 241 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: that point, because he's the lead driver, he gets to 242 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: control what happens. You can argue that that's kind of 243 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 2: on him what happened subsequent to that, if he is 244 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: a slow stop, it you see the control of that. 245 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 246 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: And so I think that this now, and this is 247 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: the problem for McLaren going forward, because while I'm surprising 248 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: if exactly this situation happened again, these drivers are so 249 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: closely matched, and we know that at some races you 250 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: do have other drivers in the mix, it's not inconceivable 251 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: that a similar situation happens, in which case Piastre will say, well, 252 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: hang on, now, we've got these these different understanding your fairness. 253 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: The whole concept of having team orders based around luck 254 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 4: is the thing that I don't necessarily like here. 255 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: Now, the penalty Piastre he. 256 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 4: Got at Sylvestone was very stiff, and you could argue 257 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 4: whether it was just or not, but it was still 258 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 4: an inverted Comma's mistake. He made a mistake and you 259 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: pay the price for that mistake. So let's just have 260 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 4: a hypothetical situation. Piastre comes in for his next PIC 261 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 4: first pit stop in Baku in two weeks time and 262 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 4: Asauber gets released in front of him in the pit 263 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: lane and it's an unsay for release and Piastre has 264 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 4: to check up and he loses one point seven seconds? 265 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 4: Is the exits of pit lane? Like on the radio 266 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 4: to Lando and Orlando, can you lose one point seven 267 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 4: seconds on your next lap? Because Oscar's been unfairly compromised 268 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 4: by someone else in the pits? 269 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: What are we doing here? 270 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 4: We're making this far too complicated, but I did want 271 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 4: to We could do three hours on this. Let's not 272 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: I want to get to a narrative that we're reading 273 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: a lot through comments to anything that you're writing, and 274 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,359 Speaker 4: just in the general Australian sporting space this whole McClaren 275 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 4: wants Norris to win the title, not Piastre narrative. Let's 276 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 4: open more cancer worms here, because to my mind, we're 277 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 4: kind of asking the wrong question here. Does McClaren expressly 278 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 4: want this to happen? 279 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: No? 280 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 4: I don't think so. Is there some justification in McLaren 281 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 4: preferring Lando Norris to be the driver that ends its 282 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 4: World Championship rout? It's gone back since Lewis Hamilton. From 283 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 4: a business point of view, yes, because they've invested a 284 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 4: lot of time and a lot of money in Norris 285 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 4: as he's come all the way through. He's a McLaren guy, 286 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: through and through. McLaren swooped on Pastre because Alpine left 287 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 4: a loophole open in Pastre's contract, and when Pastre signed 288 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 4: with McLaren, we never thought we would be discussing a 289 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 4: potential World championship push within three seasons. And I go 290 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 4: back to this because I was right in the thick 291 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 4: of covering this the last time it happened. It's the 292 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 4: Weber vessel situation at Red Bull, and I dug out 293 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 4: a quote from the Brazil twenty ten press conference that 294 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 4: I remember really clearly. I think I wasn't supposed to 295 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 4: be in the hunt at all, so maybe it's been 296 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 4: quite inconvenient. And that's Mark Webber in the penultimate race 297 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 4: of twenty ten. And if you're looking at it from 298 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 4: McLaren's point of view, just as a return on investment, 299 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 4: of course, you would prefer the person you've invested all 300 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 4: this time, time and money and resource in to win 301 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: the World Championship against basically anybody else. But if the 302 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 4: outcome is to win the World championship. It makes sense 303 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 4: that they might prefer it to be Norris, Am I 304 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 4: wrong I. 305 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: Say that argument. 306 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: I was thinking similar the way that Mark would talk 307 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: about not a direct favoritism in the team, although there 308 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 2: were some instances of probably he probably couldn't, but talking 309 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: about an emotional preference. It has an effect on decision making. 310 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: I don't if that's there, McClaren, I don't think it's 311 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: to the magnitude was at Red Bull continues to be 312 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: in Red Bull. I don't think that that's there. I 313 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: think there is a justification for that. I think there's 314 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: also though McLaren and I can see in the decision 315 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: making this weekend the idea that by making this team order, 316 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: it actually takes everything away from the drivers and it's 317 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: all about the team. It kind of protects the brands 318 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: of both drivers. 319 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: Right. 320 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: You can't now say whatever happens at the end of 321 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: the year, if it's decided by three points or whatever, 322 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: the difference is that it had anything to do with 323 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: Piastri getting an unfair advantage because the team accidentally prioritized 324 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: him at the getting notice a slow stop, so you 325 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: can also almost see the reverse here, and this goes 326 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: back to that scrupulous lee fair approach they're taking, which 327 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: is that one of them is going to win the championship. 328 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: McLaren's going to get its first driver's champion since Lewis Hamilton's. 329 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: Correct, right. 330 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: But if the team has to absorb stress and reputational 331 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: damage but not at the expense of the drivers, maybe 332 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: that's preferable because as much as the team is the 333 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: big show, and we talk about the team's number one 334 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: in this year, when the team's going to win both titles, 335 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: the talking point is going to be the driver that 336 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: wins the title, not the fact that McLaren's won. 337 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: Another champions I agree, but sometimes the right driver doesn't 338 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 4: win the championship. Twenty sixteen, Nico Rosberg won the World 339 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 4: Championship mostly because Lewis Hamilton blew up in Malaysia and 340 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 4: that would have been you know, that was a stroke 341 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 4: of bad light in twenty ten, as much as it 342 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: was tough to take at the time for Australian fans. 343 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 4: So basically, invest won the World Championship, and he won 344 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: the World Championship because he went out and won the 345 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 4: last race. But I will quick sixty second story time here, Yes, 346 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 4: go I was there in Aberdabi and t and I 347 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 4: remember having to fight my way through the Vettel celebration 348 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: party in the Red Bull Hospitality to get to Webber. 349 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 4: I was the only Australian journal that spoke to Mark 350 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 4: that night, and there was a wake going on in 351 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: one corner of the Red Bull Hospitality unit and the 352 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 4: largest party of all time because it was their first 353 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 4: World championship in twenty ten. But the emotional investment you 354 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 4: talked about the whole night was trying to imagine what 355 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 4: that would have been like if it had been reversed. 356 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 4: And the older guy whose speed was inconvenient came in 357 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 4: and he won the championship over the guy that they'd 358 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: invested all the time and money and resource and emotion 359 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: in now different ends of their career. Obviously, Vetel turned 360 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: out to be a pretty damn good driver. Mark Webber 361 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 4: was a very good driver, but not a world champion. 362 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 4: But that comment about the inconvenient thing, I can't help. 363 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: And of course the irony of all this is pastre 364 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: is managed by Mark Webber. You know all the parallels 365 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: fifteen years on, but you can't tell me that if 366 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: McLaren had a preference as to who they would prefer 367 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: win the World Championship hand on heart, Why would you 368 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: prefer the person you've invested all this time and money, 369 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 4: over all these years into they're going to win the 370 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: World Championhip? 371 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: Terrific? Are we making this far more complicated than it 372 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: needs to be right now? 373 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? It will be not would be. 374 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: Very interesting to see how it goes down after the 375 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: championship has decided one way or another. Before he heard 376 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: Zach Brown talk about the way they've asked both drivers, 377 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: how that'd like to be dealt with after Abuy Darby 378 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: giving one of them won't win it, That would be interesting. 379 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: I want to put one question to you before we 380 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: sort of wrap up the McLaren angle here, which is. 381 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: The talking Have we got two and a half more 382 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: hours on mcla We've got plenty of hour. 383 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: We've got as long as you like go back to 384 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: the audio only podcast after this is an extended edition. 385 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: There's been some things made about the fact that Piastre 386 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: very quickly acquiesced to the team order. There have been 387 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: some opinions put out there that he's not ruthless enough 388 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: for that. Asking the question whether or not an ax 389 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: with staff on or Michael Schumacher or insert great champion here, Sena. 390 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: Would have done the same that he did. 391 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: I think that that's kind of interesting because the text 392 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: of all of those drivers is very different to the 393 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: context at McLaren. Yes, do you think there's a situation 394 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: in which Oscar would have ignored that team all to 395 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 2: though if it was for the victory, do you think. 396 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: It would have been different? 397 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: Not necessarily, because I think that the biggest number for 398 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 4: me is the eight races to go in that he knows, say, 399 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 4: if it was for the victory, he knows that he's 400 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 4: winning the court of public opinion on that one, and 401 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 4: he would still have a championship lead, so he becomes 402 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 4: the winner. But if he doesn't win that race, if 403 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: that's for the victory of that particular race, So to me, 404 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 4: the number is not so much whether it's third to second, 405 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 4: second to first. How many races are there left? And 406 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 4: does he have the requisite ruthlessness to be able to 407 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 4: do what he needs to do as we get closer 408 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 4: to Abu Dhabi. I think if that needs to be deployed, 409 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 4: it will come out. I just think eight races to go, 410 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 4: it's a third of the season. Sorry, it's a long 411 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: time to keep things at that emotional pitch, and I 412 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 4: just thought the smart move. Yes, did he acquiesce a 413 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 4: little bit too meekly perhaps in this instance, But I 414 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 4: think you can't just say that without looking at the 415 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 4: context of how many races there are to go and 416 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 4: the way that Formula one operates these days. It's so 417 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 4: much more open that you talked about Michael Schumacher and 418 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,239 Speaker 4: Maxims staff and they've never had a teammate that's been 419 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 4: close to them in a World championship situation, so it's 420 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 4: not a comparison in my mind. I just thought that 421 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 4: I liked the way he played it, in that he 422 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 4: brought himself some cards to play in the future if 423 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 4: he needs to, and he can do that because he's 424 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: in a position of advantage. He still has a thirty 425 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 4: one point championship leak. 426 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still enormous. I'm inclined to agree. I think 427 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 2: the Piastre is smart enough that I'm willing to believe 428 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: that in the lap or whatever amount of time he 429 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: had to make that decision, he thought it through and 430 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: decided that there was much more upside to having that 431 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: card in his pocket than having the argument with the team, 432 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: which he may have ended up losing by the end 433 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: of the day, so anyway, they may have verbally beat 434 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 2: him down from a position much like they did Norris 435 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: in Hungary last year. 436 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 3: And then what if you lose that for the remainder 437 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: of the season. That's that's the bigger play here. 438 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: And there and the greater difficulty after that if you 439 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: ignore a team order at this point. With this advantage 440 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: is that maybe the team then isn't one hundred percent 441 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 2: on your side in the way they were, or when 442 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: you do need you know, think about Azerbaijan last year, 443 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: where Norris did help him win the Grand Prix by 444 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 2: signing down Sergio Perry's Maybe that wouldn't happen and there 445 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: is precedent for that to be required considering. Something we 446 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: haven't talked about is the fact that Piastre was asked 447 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: to help Norris make it through to Q three yes 448 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: this weekend, which I think is also quietly remarkable. I 449 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: understand the team interest argument better there because it's in 450 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 2: the teams interest to how I guess both. 451 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: Drivers in Q three. 452 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: I kind of get that, but that is an understatedly 453 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 2: remarkable thing to ask a title rival to do. 454 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 4: Also, if you're Lando Norris and you're in a McLaren, 455 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 4: why don't need any help getting into Q three? 456 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I think that question is there so 457 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: in the unlikely event, because Piastre has been much less 458 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: of a position to require the help of his teammate 459 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: this year. But we can't say that won't be needed. 460 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: Well you left out one keyword yet, yes, exactly, And 461 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: like I say, Azbaijan last year, that was it could 462 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 2: happen again. It feels like a bit of a pastre. 463 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: It's gonna be really interesting to see how this plays out. 464 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: It's not really about I thought by now we'd be 465 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: talking about a flashpoint and some tension. Weirdly, it's not 466 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: about that. It's about the corner McLaren is built for 467 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: itself and then backed itself into it. That is going 468 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,239 Speaker 2: to be really interesting to see how it unfolds over 469 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: the next eight races. But that was a fascinating way 470 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: to end the European season. 471 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: I thought it was soul. 472 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 4: We also just mention that Max for Steppen won the 473 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: Girl Prix. I said at the time, we're into it. 474 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 4: It's not twenty twenty three all over. It yes, it 475 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 4: really was that kind of race. Actually third only third 476 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 4: Women of the year worth reflecting ones in Italy. 477 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 2: Good for him, indeed, an Italian race engineer, great outcome. 478 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: Let's move on to Move of the Week, brought to 479 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: you by Shannon's two races this weekend, of course, Barcelona 480 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: Motorcycle Grand Prix as well as the Italian Formula One 481 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: Grand Prix. That's probably good because there wasn't a lot 482 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: of overtaking in Italy after the first few laps. 483 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 4: None that we're not team orders anyway, well, yes, which 484 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: is why for my Move of the Week I'm actually 485 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: going to nominate Alex albom here. This is a very 486 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 4: very strong ange left field one which is kind of 487 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 4: my corns. We get corners with painting ourselves into Alex 488 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 4: albon Seventh in the World Championship. 489 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: Yes, ahead of Antonelli. 490 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 3: Now, uh huh. 491 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 4: And when you're looking at a series where you've got 492 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: in some sort of order, McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes and Red 493 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 4: Bull are clearly the four dominant teams. For anyone else 494 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 4: to muscle into that top eight in the World Championship 495 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 4: from any other team is a pretty remarkable achievement. So 496 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: he's had eleven points finishes in sixteen Grand Prix and 497 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 4: this is the stat that I can't believe. With Alex Albon, 498 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 4: he has outscored his teammate Carlos Science seventy points to sixteen. Now, 499 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 4: if anyone had that before the season started, then send 500 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 4: me your details and we'll go to have a very 501 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: very large dinner together or something. But who would have 502 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 4: seen that coming. But he's he's had such a good 503 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 4: season and it's quite start. You look at him on 504 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 4: the points table down and go, oh okay, yeah, that's 505 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 4: believable and sustainable, but it still makes you sit up. 506 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is remarkable. 507 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: I mean some of that obviously was in those first 508 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: five races whatever it was, where Carlos Science was clearly 509 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: not at home with the car. But I sort of 510 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: thinking about, this is the dribe isn't here? Weirdly enough, 511 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: the Carlos signs in a great position to score points 512 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: this weekend and then, in my opinion, caused a collision 513 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: for which Oliver Abadmin was penalized. I understand why, but 514 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: I think it was wrong totally needless, like totally needless 515 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: to get himself in that position when he probably would 516 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: have finished, he would have got maybe four points. 517 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: I think more or less needed points. 518 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: I think because while it's clear, the pace is there 519 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 2: and he's kind of thereabouts, and like any driver that 520 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: moved this year, it's so easy to say, well, we're 521 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: here because of twenty twenty six, like you're not here 522 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 2: because of twenty twenty five. We're here to get our 523 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: feet under the desk. I don't know, it's starting to 524 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: get a little bit. I don't want to say too 525 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: grim for Carlos, but it's it doesn't look great. 526 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 4: Sixteen points and sixteen rounds. Yeah, very very average. So 527 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 4: that's my take on move of the weekend is a move. 528 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 4: It's moved into seventh place in the World Championship, but 529 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 4: I dare say you've probably got something for this category. 530 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: More on track, well, I really liked it was on track. 531 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: Oscar Piastri's move on Charlotte Claire. I think it was 532 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: on lap two, but there were quite a few movements 533 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 2: between here. Charlotte Clairs really summed it up pretty well, 534 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 2: like a tiny mistake and someone passes. I thought, if 535 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 2: that was the tone of the race, I thought were 536 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: really cracking. 537 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: One hour and twelve to twelve. 538 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 2: Yes, but I really like this move around the outside 539 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: of the first kne because at that point, you know, 540 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: the talk of the weekend with this, what was the 541 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: thirty four point lead, was that he didn't need to 542 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 2: take too many risks. You play the numbers game, you're 543 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: going to be okay. This was a really risky move. 544 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: I mean required trust in Leclaire, and Leclair is a 545 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: guy you can I can't. I'm trying to think now, 546 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 2: but I'm struggling to think of any major mistake he's 547 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: made in a combat situation like that. Just really gutsy 548 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: to put his car there, knowing the risk was there 549 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: that he might be eliminated and all of a sudden, 550 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: a loss of three points scenarios could be a loss 551 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: of eighteen if very fair, wouldn't it. After the Dutch 552 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: con Prix, I just really enjoyed that move. That showed 553 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: that he's still out there, really trying to go hard 554 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: at these races. There's no inclination to think about the 555 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: points lead. It is still about winning races and stamping 556 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 2: is authority on the series. 557 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 4: And the point you mentioned is knowing who you're racing against. Yes, 558 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: I think that's a big part of that. There are 559 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 4: certain people you would not put your car in that 560 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 4: particular position with, and can Mark we're a reference of 561 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 4: the of the podcast this week. I'm thinking a lot 562 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: so where a rouge. 563 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's no other two drivers almost that you 564 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: would you could pull that off with. 565 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. 566 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 4: And the reason that Mark went for that where he 567 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 4: went for it was because of who was racing against. 568 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: A Because it's awesome if it comes off, and b 569 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 4: because I can trust this guy to do the right thing. 570 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 4: And there was a much lower scale version of that 571 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 4: going on. 572 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 3: With Piastre and Leclair. 573 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 4: But I like the fact that you sum up who 574 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 4: you're racing against and you race that person accordingly or 575 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 4: not based on the situation. That's why I think it's 576 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 4: a really good nomination. 577 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: It's worth remembering that as well. And every time a 578 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: driver says I don't know who's in the car, just 579 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: see the. 580 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: Other car, it's not true. Yes, obviously not true. 581 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: Let's move on away from form to one briefly to 582 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 2: interested with his experts, because we've had a murdor GP 583 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: round in which I'm interested. This weekend we'll have a 584 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: Supercars round and I'll tell you about that in the moment, 585 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: or I. 586 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Can tell you about that. 587 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 4: Now you tell me, let's I'll be more interested. You 588 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 4: can be the expert. How do of that sound? 589 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: Okay, let's do let's do it now. All I know 590 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: this is how this is how interested I am. First 591 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: and Dura of the season at the Bend. 592 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 2: Yes, Bend, not at Sandown, which is unusual. Indeed Sandown 593 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: is later though, sant nag it's a final slot. 594 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 4: What what's the what's the because you know it's separate 595 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 4: season in a lot of respects. What's the narrative going 596 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 4: into this? Because it's unusual, as you said, to have 597 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 4: the first and juror at this particular track. 598 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a question I've been wondering for the 599 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: last few weeks. I was in Sydney a couple of 600 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: weeks ago last week for the Bathist launch event. You 601 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: mentioning that on our website on social media. The more 602 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: stuff from that later anyway, and it struck me because 603 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: I really like the Bathists is the ideas of standalone. 604 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: It didn't used to be part of the championship was 605 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: a race in which you just go all out and 606 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: an iconic event still is an iconic event, but it 607 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: plays a role in the championship and in previous years 608 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 2: before the final series, you know, it was important to 609 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: the narrative of the champions You've ever scored the most 610 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: points potentially affect the order. It still does that to 611 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: an extent because there are the bonus points for the finals, 612 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 2: but it's much more standalone now. If you're Brock Feenie 613 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 2: or Will Brown or even all the way down bro 614 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: Brodie Caustick and even lower, it's kind of a bit 615 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: of a free hit. I know this is two rounds 616 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: away from the bend, but stick stick with me. I 617 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: put this to a couple of drivers and I said, yes, 618 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: except if you were on the bubble for the finals. 619 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because all of a sudden you've got these 620 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: two big points paying races, three hundred points, all the 621 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 2: points in one event. That's a lot of risk for 622 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: guys who are on the bubble for the finals. So 623 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: we'll get I've got the points down here, so I'll 624 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: get them wrong. And the points there's a lot of 625 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: big numbers and supercars. Anton Divisquali is seventh. He's one 626 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: hundred and four points ahead of tenth place, which is 627 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 2: held by Thomas round right. 628 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: Andre Humgud has only twenty one points ahead. In eighth. 629 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 1: Ryan Wood's only fourteen points ahead. Just out of here. 630 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: This is a story. 631 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,239 Speaker 2: I mean, we fascinately see how this ends up by 632 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: the end of the season or by the finals. I 633 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: guess Kay Allen eleventh, only twenty points out because of 634 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: this late surge in the last couple of rounds. I 635 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 2: suppose after starting as a rookie, and then Cameron Hill, 636 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: who was in the ten earlier in the year, has 637 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: had a bit of a rough time of things. In 638 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: the last again two or three rounds, He's one hundred 639 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: and eight points out. 640 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: Obviously there are more drivers involved, but for me. 641 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: I could be totally wrong, which would be remarkable, not 642 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: because I'd be wrong, but because it'd be a great story. 643 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: One hundred points either side fields like you'd need a 644 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: pretty big twist, because the other thing is, it's not 645 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: as if you not all of these drivers are going 646 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: to DNF and then cameraon's calling me in the end 647 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: of the band. 648 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, chances are most of them will score points. 649 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: I think that's really interesting for them because this is 650 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: the total opposite now of the Bend and Baptist of 651 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 2: a free hit. You've really got to play the points 652 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: in a way you haven't in the endurers before, because 653 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 2: if you were tenth last year, you're not gonna win 654 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: the championship. 655 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: You just go and try and win it. 656 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: You're gonna still try and win it now, but now 657 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 2: you're going to be super aware where these other drivers are. 658 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: And I think that's a. 659 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: Really interesting and maybe understated so far twist in the injury. 660 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 4: Season well, and where these particular drivers sit in the 661 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 4: order of the race. You'll need to have eyes on 662 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 4: two different parts of the timing tower here, because you 663 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 4: might not necessarily be watching a guy competing in the 664 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 4: top four, but hang on, this guy's eighth in this race, 665 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 4: what does that mean relative to the guys he's racing? 666 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 3: And I do like it. 667 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: Yes, there's a real duel element to the in duros 668 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: this year. 669 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: One is that we're just going to find out who's 670 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 2: going to win the first bend and duro and then 671 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: of course the bathest one thousand. The second element is 672 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: obviously who's going to win the finals how they do it. 673 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: I hope we've invested in a live sub championship leader board, 674 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: tenth place leader board, but it'll be very interested to say. 675 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: So that's something to keep an eye. Had to bend 676 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: this weekend, the first the curtain raiser of Bathos stuff. Yes, 677 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: tell me a little bit about Barcelona, because I believe 678 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: I say deliberately A Marquez. 679 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 4: Won a Marquees. Yes, A Marquez did win the race. 680 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 4: This is a funny one in that you know, Mark 681 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 4: Marquez came into this weekend on a fourteen race winning streak, 682 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 4: which sounds as silly as it is, but going to 683 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 4: a track where it's not a great circuit for Mark, 684 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 4: the circuit of Barcelona Catalonia, which sounds ridiculous, and he 685 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 4: has one here the only two times he's won this 686 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 4: Grand Prix twenty fourteen, when he won the first ten 687 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 4: races of the season twenty nineteen where he finished every 688 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 4: race bar one in first or second. So it's been 689 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 4: absolutely top shelf. Market's one here. It's a motor GP 690 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 4: track and he's on the best bike in the field. 691 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: But it's the configuration of this particular circuit. We know 692 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 4: Mark's got this supernatural ability in left handers. This track 693 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 4: only has two more right handers than left handers. But 694 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 4: it's the configuration of the right handers. They're big, long 695 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 4: radius right hand corners and it's where they are in 696 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 4: the lap, and so Alex Marquez is particularly good through 697 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 4: high speed, long radius, right handed turn. It's almost a 698 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 4: perfect track this in Malaysia. He's two really strong tracks 699 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 4: for that reason. And as good as Mark is, he 700 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 4: wasn't fantastic at this track even before he had four 701 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 4: shoulder surgeries from twenty twenty onwards, so it actually has 702 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 4: been a bit of a weak point. So to my mind, 703 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 4: they were kind of both winners here on the weekend 704 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 4: because Alex Marquez, after he chucked it in the sprint, 705 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 4: which is one of the silliest mistakes we've seen for 706 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 4: a very long while, Mark ended up winning that race 707 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 4: to win fifteen straight races. But the way this Grand 708 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 4: Prix built on Sunday you had Alex and Mark were 709 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 4: just in a totally different league. Everyone else was a 710 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 4: million miles behind. And if you're Alex Marquez after you've 711 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 4: thrown it down the road and the sprint from victory 712 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 4: previous day, and you've got a guy on a fifteen 713 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: race winning street sitting within two to six tenths of 714 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 4: a second for sixteen consecutive laps. That's a lot of 715 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 4: pressure to soca. And also you can almost know your 716 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 4: enemy too well in that because they're brothers and they 717 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 4: know each other's strengths and weaknesses so well. That's a 718 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 4: different feeling for Alex marquistern I've got this guy behind me. 719 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 4: It's not just some random opponent who you may not 720 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 4: know that well and therefore probably take some of the 721 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 4: stress out of being pursued by Mark Marquez. So tremendous 722 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 4: win for him, really just really coolly executed. It's a 723 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 4: really tactical race Barcelona because it's a super low grip track, 724 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 4: it's really hot, and it comes down to the point 725 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 4: that you're not going to have twenty four laps of 726 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 4: thire life. You've probably got about eighteen good laps. It's 727 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 4: just when do you deploy them, and so it turns 728 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 4: into this really canny strategy based race, which we don't 729 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 4: often see in motor GDP because they're forty minute races. 730 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 4: It's always a different feel there. But the fact that 731 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 4: Mark Marquez hung that close to his brother's very very 732 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 4: good at this circuit with its configuration. Mark didn't win, 733 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 4: but it's an expects thing right, and I guess the 734 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 4: interesting part about all of this now is that it 735 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 4: has taken away the chance for Mark Marquees to win 736 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 4: this seventh Motor GP World Championship at Masano this weekend. 737 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 4: There was a part of me that was kind of 738 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 4: hoping it might happen in Valentido Rossi's backyard, just for 739 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 4: the narrative of the storyline, but it looks very likely 740 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 4: that it's now going to be decided in Japan, which 741 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 4: given it was three years ago that Mark told Honda 742 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 4: in Japan that he was leaving them to go to 743 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 4: Ducati to kick start this second part of his career, 744 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 4: it quite neatly closes the circle. So if that ends 745 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 4: up becoming the story, then great. But it was just 746 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 4: a really interesting tactical race between two guys at the 747 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 4: absolute top of their game and a Abastianini I think 748 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 4: finished six seconds off the in third place and no 749 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 4: one else was within ten seconds. You do not see 750 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 4: that in modern day motor GP. 751 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 3: They were an absolute class of their own. It was very, 752 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 3: very tense, high quality racing. 753 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: The part of you that wanted the championship three one 754 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: in San Reno is not the part that has to 755 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: read the social media coments. 756 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm guessing so yeah, that part. 757 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely not enjoyed the race, enjoyed Alex Baker's rolling through 758 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: the gravel afterwards. I felt very random to me when 759 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,959 Speaker 2: I enjoyed it and then. But it was the brotherly 760 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: element to this, which is obviously not very rare in 761 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: any sport, but certainly even in Motor GP until this year. 762 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 4: Well, this is crazy, right, So we were talking about 763 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 4: this off air before until Mark and Alex were on 764 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 4: the podium together in Germany last year. That was the 765 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 4: first time in since nineteen ninety seven we'd had siblings 766 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 4: on the same Motor GP podium. If you add the 767 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 4: sprints in the Grand Prix this year, seventeen podiums have 768 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 4: shared this year. Now the scoreline is Mark fifteen Alex two, 769 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 4: which you could probably imagine, but imagine, you know, two 770 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 4: brothers at the absolute peak of their power sharing podiums 771 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 4: in the elite level of their particular motorsport sort of. 772 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 4: I was listening to Matt Oxley's podcast, which is one 773 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 4: you should absolute listen. 774 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 3: To and everyone else would listen to as well. 775 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 4: He was talking about siblings being at the absolute top 776 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 4: of their game, in worldwide sports, and he was talking 777 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 4: about Sun and Venus Williams, and it's hard to think 778 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 4: of too many others other than that. This is what 779 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 4: these two guys are doing this year. It's been pretty 780 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: amazing to watch. 781 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a special moment Marquez era. We're certainly in yes, 782 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: and great for Alex Well, like you wouldn't have thought 783 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: he'd be in the position. Okay, drifted way off the 784 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 2: championship leaving sure compared to he was at the start, 785 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: but that's that's a great story to see his rise 786 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: in Moto GP as well. 787 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 4: Well. Also, you know a guy, by the time you 788 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 4: get to your sixth Moto GP season, your career arc 789 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 4: is kind of written. 790 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 3: At that point. We kind of know who you are. 791 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 4: He's twenty nine years old now, so guys don't normally 792 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 4: have career best seasons this late into their career, and 793 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 4: so he's done wonders for his own reputation and how 794 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 4: we see him as a writer. It's just that the 795 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: guy shared a bedroom with back in the days, but. 796 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 3: Just a bit better. 797 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: It's unfortunately him interesting round in motorsport. Also this week 798 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 2: will be fascinating to see the bend. But we can't 799 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: wrap up before visiting the crystal ball for complete home filtration. No, 800 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 2: but I only know this because it's still in down 801 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: my run set. I've predicted Ferrari victory in Wonza last week. 802 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: He tells you about the caliber of the crystal on 803 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 2: this show, but why don't you. 804 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 4: I predicted a Prelia would win in Catalunya, and well 805 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 4: Marc Overzeki didn't score points. How well that went my 806 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 4: crystal ball. And this goes back to the guy who 807 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 4: won the Italian Grand Prix, Max for Stappen eighty seconds 808 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 4: behind Max for Stappan was the guy in the other 809 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 4: red ball in Yuki Sonoda. We did not talk about, No, 810 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 4: and would have no reason to talk about except for 811 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 4: the fact that are we sure he's going to be 812 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 4: in this car for the rest of the year. 813 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: I don't think red bulls are about that. 814 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, So my crystal ball has Isaac Cajar in that 815 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 4: car before the season's out, simply because you look at 816 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 4: last year. They kept Sergio Peris in that car for 817 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 4: the entire year, and he was cooked a long way 818 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 4: before the season finished, and they just rode it out 819 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 4: and then sacked him after the season. After they'd signed him, 820 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 4: and then look at the chaos that caused at the 821 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 4: beginning of this season. Liam Lawson's in all two races 822 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 4: in one week into the season. Liam Lawson's out let's 823 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 4: promote Uki sonoda, we didn't really want him in the 824 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 4: first place. We'll put in the car. It hasn't wor 825 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 4: wor so at this point. Why would you then, if 826 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 4: you're going to make the change for twenty twenty six, 827 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 4: which let's be honest, they probably are going to make 828 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 4: the change, why would you not just do it now? 829 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 4: Take some of the sting out of the start of 830 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 4: next year. There's going to be enough going on in 831 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 4: Formula One generally and for that team specifically at the 832 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 4: start of next year, new powertrains, everything else going on 833 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 4: for twenty twenty six. 834 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 3: Why not just bring him in. 835 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 4: You're not going to lose fourth place in the World 836 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 4: Championship for the constructors, that's where you're going to be. 837 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 4: Why not just bring him in for the last three 838 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 4: or four rounds, Just get it done, get him in there, 839 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 4: get his feet under the table, or you're just going 840 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 4: to make the same mistake as you did at the 841 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 4: beginning of this year. And then we live this entire 842 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 4: narrative all over again. I can actually see Isaacadja in 843 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 4: the second Red Bull by the end of the season, 844 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 4: and it'll be something that Helmut Marco just decides to 845 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 4: mention in some random press opportunity that he's not supposed 846 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 4: to be doing with Austrian TV because he's not actually 847 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 4: a team spokesperson. But that would be very fitting with 848 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 4: the way this season has gone. I like it. 849 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,479 Speaker 2: I hesitate to use the phrase duty of care Horna 850 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 2: did in that press release Sackingly and Lawson from the team, 851 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 2: but I do wonder whether you would because normally I 852 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: would agree and say why not just start now? 853 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: But with new rules next year, with this car killing 854 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: so many careers? 855 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 2: Yes, is it in Hadja's best interest to not finish 856 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 2: the season to the team where he's got this beautiful 857 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 2: trajectory as a rookie and then switch next year when 858 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: we have forget how many days it is, but it's 859 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: three or four pre season tests. Yes, like a lot 860 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 2: of time in the car. I'mlike this year we had 861 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 2: three one and a half days per driver. Next year 862 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: can have a lot of days. I actually see the 863 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 2: cost benefit equation a little bit less to doing that. 864 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, you used to know he's 865 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: scored seven point No, it's more than how ten points? 866 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 4: Is it? 867 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing, Yep, it's not great, but I like it. 868 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's a little left field for a 869 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 4: crystal ball, but given the way Red Bull's gone this year, 870 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 4: perhaps not so left field. 871 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: No, I think the most. 872 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 2: I do think though the practicing predicted that Halma Marker 873 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 2: will announce it ly too. Is it climb as a 874 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 2: tool in Austria, that's one. I think that's probably a 875 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 2: guaranteed to. 876 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 4: Get on Hell announced something, Yeah, yes, something will be announced. 877 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 2: We're going a bit of a different direction. And dre 878 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 2: Kim Antonelli had another what I thought was interesting. Total 879 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 2: Wolf describes I think his word was Underwhelmingham Race. First 880 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 2: criticism from total Wolf, he said, he tried to say 881 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: it wasn't a criticism, but it was critical. We're at 882 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 2: the end of the European season, the European season which 883 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: we assumed we'd see the best of. 884 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: Him because of the tracks he knows well. 885 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 2: Instead, I think he scored about ten points, maybe maybe 886 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 2: even actually fewer. Canada the exception punctuates the European season, 887 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 2: he guys made and podium there. 888 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 1: Leaving Europe. 889 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 2: I think we're now going to see the best of 890 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 2: Antonelle tracks. It just seems like tracks he doesn't know. 891 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 2: The pressure equation in his mind changes a little bit. Ye, 892 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 2: so I think we're going to see him. I'm just 893 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 2: going to say he's going to out qualify and outrace 894 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: George Russell in Azerbaijan. Not so he's going to be 895 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 2: on the podium anything, But I think we're actually going 896 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 2: to see all that early season promise again at the 897 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 2: end of the season, now that we're on tracks that 898 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 2: he has no right to perform. 899 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 4: At well, the less less I should environment. I think 900 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 4: it's a really good point because what did everyone talk 901 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 4: about at Monza this weekend. Oh, this is where he 902 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 4: threw it off at polic his first free practice last year. 903 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 4: We kept going back to that. So perhaps a clean 904 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 4: slate and less expectations. He's still a kid. Let's be 905 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 4: perfectly honest here, and yeah, perhaps the human element of 906 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 4: all this might actually come into play. I don't mind it. 907 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 4: I think that's got more of a chance to be 908 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 4: correct than most of your crystal boss. Let's be honest 909 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 4: doesn't say a lot, No, it doesn't. 910 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: That's all the time we have for pit Talk. 911 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 2: You can subscribe to Pittalk wherever you get your favorite podcasts, 912 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: and you can leave us a rating and review as well. 913 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: This weekend it's the Bend five hundred at the Bend 914 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 2: with the lights out at quarter past two on Sunday, 915 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 2: and that'll be followed by the San Marino and Rumini 916 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 2: Riviera Motorcycle Grand Prix in Mizzano with lights out at 917 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 2: ten pm on Sunday as well. You get up today 918 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 2: with all the latest Formula One, Moto TP and Supercars 919 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 2: news at Fox sports dot com dot Au from Matt 920 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 2: Clay and me Michael Amonado. 921 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: Thanks very much for your company. We'll catch you next week.