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Speaker 1: So this is the continuation of the conversation Tiff and

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Speaker 1: I had with Andrew May yesterday. It was a ripper.

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Speaker 1: He's a ripper. Enjoy the rest of the chat. Do

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Speaker 1: you talk to groups and individuals about self awareness, other awareness,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. George Angel back in nineteen seventy seven spoke about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even with this show mate, I've had people send

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Speaker 2: And we do similar for mental skills, and we do

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Speaker 1: all have a story, and you were talking about the

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Speaker 1: billionaires that you didn't say this, but my take is there.

432
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Speaker 1: You know, they're kind of financially rich, but sometimes emotionally, psychologically,

433
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: spiritually bankrupt. And so there's there's the I guess, there's

434
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: the the picture of or the practicality of success, but

435
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: not always the experience. You know. It's like, I remember

436
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: when I've told this story too much, but I was

437
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: at a stage in my life when I was financially

438
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: doing great. I had multiple businesses and staff, and I

439
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: was killing it. And from the outside looking in it

440
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: was razzle dazzle, but the inside out because I wasn't

441
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: looking after me and I was just quite at that

442
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: point in my life one dimensional, and you know, and

443
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: like my experience in the middle of this successful picture

444
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: was anything but success. Right, how do we kind of

445
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 1: navigate that? How do you navigate that with people? Because

446
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: and I'll shut up after this, but I guess in

447
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: our culture, success is really about what people can see.

448
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: You know, what you have, what you earn, what you own,

449
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: what you look like, what you drive, what people think you,

450
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: your brand, your bank balance, oh your shit, like no

451
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: one goes. I'll look at that guy living in that

452
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: one bedroom flat driving the twenty five year old car.

453
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: He's really calm with a pet. So successful. Yeah, yeah,

454
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: like it. Success is all about things, but in reality

455
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: at ain't. How do you navigate that with people?

456
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: It's not either or, it's and right, it's the dichotomy.

457
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: And well, one guy I work with very very successful

458
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 2: from an external demand.

459
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: And then you'd be like this. You meet some of these.

460
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 2: Business people, you've read about them or you know of them,

461
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: and then you meet them and you realize the reality

462
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: is they're just like the three of us. They have

463
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: fears and phobias and just they're really good in some

464
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: areas of their life. I think you can have it both,

465
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: but you've got to do the work. So your analogy

466
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Speaker 2: of the house is beautiful. Hear me on a podcast

467
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 2: saying that, like it was my.

468
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: Own one day.

469
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Speaker 2: I will always I will always reference, I always reference.

470
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: I teach people now that you can have both. So

471
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: it's getting into success external and there's nothing wrong with

472
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: having stuff. And there's some research on this.

473
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Speaker 1: Todd Cash Dan not Kardashian.

474
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Speaker 2: There's no credibility with that surname on research, But Todd

475
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: cash Dan looks at the difference between the good life

476
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: and the goods life. So the goods life is about

477
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: that our money and success.

478
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Speaker 1: I love that. Tifts jotting that down like a little

479
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: bloody high performance. No taker, that is that is good? Yeah,

480
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: write that down, to it down, and.

481
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Speaker 2: The good life is pleasure, meaning and purpose. My story harps,

482
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: you know my story. I got to just before forty

483
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: and I've been so focused on the extern all that

484
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: I'd won multiple state championships as an athlete, went to

485
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Speaker 2: the Institute of Sport, done well at school, built a business,

486
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: had good relationships, and then went through a marriage breakdown

487
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: with a grandfather called Patty Flynn, rich Irish family tradition

488
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: on my mother's side. Mum and dad still together, and

489
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: I was so focused on what everyone thought of me,

490
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: had a chronic case of FOPO that I wasn't tending

491
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 2: my own garden, caught a relationship in reality, whenever any

492
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: marriage breaks down, the reality is somewhere in between. But

493
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: I was so focused on working with sporting teams, building

494
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: a business that I wasn't focused on the marriage, and

495
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: then I had eighteen months functioning depressed, where I was

496
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: walking around like I was carrying a metaphorical cross because

497
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: I was so worried, so concerned what everyone thought of me.

498
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: But the reality is everyone just gives a fuck about

499
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: themselves and how you go and mate okay, and they

500
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Speaker 2: move on to their staff. I learned the hard way personally,

501
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: and they've been It's just so it's a gift to

502
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 2: work with the sort of people we do. So you

503
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: get to work with all domains, all different types of

504
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: career and codes, and I just I don't say now

505
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: success is just because someone's title. I think success one

506
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: of my best mates. He's one of the most successful

507
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: people I know. He's probably at a job two levels

508
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: below what he can do, but he's a connected Dad's

509
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: got a good marriage, he's healthy and fitness. He's best

510
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: mate you could ever have. He's always there. So it's

511
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: that juxtaposition between success and also looking at fulfillment, and

512
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: I really do think he can have both. But it's

513
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: bloody hard because you've got to work. Like the P

514
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: word purpose, A lot of people want to purpose. Now

515
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: they go off and do a course, I listen to

516
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: a podcast. It takes months to craft a purpose that

517
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: has meaning for you and mean we know the purpose

518
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: has got to be future focused. All the research shows

519
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: it's future focused. It's got to be more than you,

520
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: so it's about others and it's got to excite to

521
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: live in daylights out of you. And the research further

522
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: on purpose shows people with a clearly articulated purpose one

523
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: live longer, unce back from resilience and through they're going

524
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: to earn more money. So you listen to all that

525
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: and go why would I not have a clearly articulated purpose?

526
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: But you ask so many people what's your purpose? Harps

527
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: and they're working for a big company. Our purpose is

528
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: to increase return for our shareholders and stakeholders and positively

529
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: contribute to the community and having thy Fuck, that's your

530
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: company's purpose. So back to the original question, we don't

531
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: spend enough time looking at the dance between the two.

532
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: How do you have both? And your house analogy is beautiful,

533
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: but you've got to do as much planning and work

534
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: on you as a human. What do you want to

535
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: be like? What is your experience like with others? Good? Bad,

536
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: are and different? What do you want it to be

537
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: like sorry to If I knew you were going to

538
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: come in with a beautiful, poignant statement, then.

539
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, Andrew, do you think

540
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: we find our purpose? Or do you think our purpose

541
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: finds us? Do you think you're looking if people come

542
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: and say, help me find my purpose? Do you think

543
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: the art of looking for your purpose will be a

544
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: roadblock to you actually connecting with your purpose?

545
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: Jeez, that's a deep question. Can you put some music

546
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: when you're producing this? Like some spiritual might just do.

547
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: A bit of singing in the background while you fish.

548
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: It's trying to buy some time. Willy figures out a

549
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: fucking decent sounding answer. I'm on the edge of my

550
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: see too. Come on, so I can feel the imports

551
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: running rampant crazy.

552
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: Put some crazy gypsy music. Now, I think you teacher,

553
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: here's my thoughts. There's no research to back this up.

554
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: I reckon people want to go deeper on purpose when

555
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: they've got other stuff going pretty well. I don't think

556
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: someone eighteen nineteen, early twenties really cares much about purpose.

557
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: They want a job. They probably want to get together

558
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: with someone else and then we'll have a bit of fun.

559
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: In their life. I find a lot of people tiff

560
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: around that mid forties to early fifties when they've got

561
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: a bit experience, may have a family, may not, but

562
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: it's I am probably at the halfway point or I'm

563
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: just beyond fuck.

564
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: What is this about?

565
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all been about that external building, the car,

566
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: the trophy. As I mentioned before, seats in the car,

567
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: no one now sits in rooms that no one visits.

568
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: There's got to be more to this. So my experience

569
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: is that it tends to happen more around that mid

570
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: forties when we've got a bit of experience in the tank.

571
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Speaker 2: Pretty rare that i'd work with, especially an athlete who's

572
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: in their early twenties who would have a really clearly

573
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: articulated purpose. There's one or two a couple of athletes

574
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Speaker 2: I work with. I won't mention the names because I

575
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: work with them one on one and I'm doing some

576
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: work with some of them about this, and I don't

577
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Speaker 2: have permission. But I can name that.

578
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: On one hand, Yeah, do you think that you know

579
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: that old kind of that that nugget of people who

580
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: get to the top of the mountain realize they've climbed

581
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: the wrong mountain. You know, it's like, oh, fuck, this

582
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: is not the mountain, you know, because I think sometimes

583
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: we succeed, but the thing that we thought would happen,

584
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: or that we would feel or experience or be in

585
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: the middle of emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, it ain't there. And

586
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: you're like, fuck, because I had a story that when

587
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: I arrived at this place, this would be my experience,

588
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, and it's and I think are really easy

589
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: to understand. One for people is and Tif's probably done this.

590
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've done it, Andrew. I've worked with hundreds

591
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: of people that I took from really out of shape

592
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: to really in shape, and very few of them were

593
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: happy when they got there, like or content Like. Very

594
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: few of them got to the point. I mean they

595
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: were happier, and they were healthier, of course, but the

596
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: amount of people who would go, oh just one more kilo,

597
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: I just just two more kilos, just one more dress

598
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: size or pant size, or like that experience or state

599
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: of being truly content, I mean truly I am where

600
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: I want to be. I don't need any more. I

601
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: don't need to be lighter, I don't need to be leaner,

602
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't need to be richer. I don't need more attention.

603
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't need you to tell me I'm amazing. I

604
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: don't need more accolades. I don't even know if that's

605
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: almost possible.

606
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: There's a really interesting experiment that's going to happen in

607
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: twenty four maybe it's twenty three days from today, called

608
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: the Paris Olympics, and there's going to be so many

609
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: young men and women and this is all they've wanted

610
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: from a young age. I want to be an Olympian,

611
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: and then the five rings, whether it's tattooed on your

612
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: shoulder or metaphorically, it's tattooed as an Olympian. So this

613
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: is that external performance based identity. I've worked with so

614
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: many people, mate, who've gone to the Olympics, who've gone

615
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: to the World Champs, who've achieved insert in a sporting environment,

616
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: and then they come back and they go, fuck, it

617
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: feels empty now. And it feels empty for a couple

618
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: of reasons. One is there was nothing to replace that.

619
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: It was a journey that put an arrow in the

620
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: dartboard and when that's where I'm getting to, and that's

621
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: what it's all about. Now, there's some merit in that

622
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: because to be world class in anything, you know this,

623
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: you've got to be massively unbalanced. If I have a

624
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: young man young woman come and meet me and say, hey,

625
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: I want to represent the country, I want to be

626
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: the best musician, actor, whatever it is, but I want

627
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: to have a bower's life. I have laughed at them.

628
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: I do that gypsy laugh I was doing before. We've

629
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: seen that that's not going to happen. If you want

630
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: to be world class, you've got to be fucking unbalanced

631
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: for a decade or two. Then just make sure you

632
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: don't blow everything up so much that the collateral damage

633
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: is still repairable with relationships and well being. And I

634
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: can run with you on that. And what I like

635
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: about that is your being up front and letting them

636
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: know you're not going to go to the partners. If

637
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: you have a relationship, you go I have someone who

638
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: actually is very attuned to your needs. That's a classic example, mate,

639
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: that post Olympic depression. There's even a term for it. Now.

640
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that people are actually clinically depressed, but

641
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: there's a real dip in their mood months after the Olympics.

642
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: Why because it's that whole identity is I perform, therefore

643
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: I am and in one of the areas I'm so

644
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: passionate about is just dipping it in a little bit.

645
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: So even in the pre season with the Seagulls, I

646
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: actually did a session on self identity. So the fact

647
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: that I'm working with NRL players in the off season

648
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: and it's totally outdated, as you know in AFL saying

649
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: they're all book heads and idiots and just drink and

650
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: sort of party. That notion has gone out decades ago.

651
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: There are late athletes. But we started to talk about

652
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: self awareness and we're just dipping it in. So I

653
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: had a couple of players come up and say, can

654
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: I have a bit more about that? So it was

655
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: a light touch and back to the question TIF, I

656
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: think the teacher appears on purpose when the student is

657
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 2: ready as well as so. I'd done courses, I'd read

658
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: books on purpose, I'd listen to people. I was at

659
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 2: KPMG mid forties, earning a fortune, and I was empty.

660
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: It was crazy.

661
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: I was earning more money than I could ever imagine.

662
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: It was off at a global role which was hundreds

663
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: and hundreds of thousands more than I was even on

664
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: and I just pulled the pin and people thought I

665
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: was an idiot. But the reason why harps is I thought, no,

666
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 2: I'm not contributing. I don't actually feel like I'm making

667
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 2: a difference to people's lives. And I've got full respect

668
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: for KPMG. Still work with a bunch of the very

669
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: senior leaders, still do some consulting for them. But I

670
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: just didn't be on a pay packet where for me

671
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: success was driving revenue.

672
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: It was about impact. I would add one thing which

673
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: is not instead of but as well as and I

674
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: think people get a little anxious over because they don't

675
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: know what their purpose is, so then they just find

676
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: a new thing to worry about. I would say to

677
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: you listeners that in my experience, you might not have

678
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: a single purpose. You might have many, or you might

679
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: have a few. It doesn't need to be a single thing. Right.

680
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: My job is I've got to fucking feed the homeless.

681
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's part of what you do, but also

682
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: your purpose will evolve and change over time, perhaps like

683
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: there was a time for me where a big part

684
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: of my purpose was helping people get physically well and

685
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: educating and inspiring people to like live their best lifestyle

686
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: and embrace all of that. You know, it was very

687
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: much around physiology. And but for me, that part of

688
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: my life or that that that purpose had it used

689
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: by date, just like milk and bread has a use

690
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: by date. You know, So you know, what might be

691
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: your focus, or what blows your mind, or what meets

692
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: your needs, or what gives you joy, or what stretches

693
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: you or grows you. It might be different in five years,

694
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: so you know. And also another kind of I guess

695
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: piece of advice is that you like when you hear's

696
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: somebody like Andrew talking about purpose, you don't need to

697
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: figure this out by lunchtime tomorrow. This is there's no urgency,

698
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, And I think the idea of just opening

699
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: the door and like gently walking through the door and

700
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: start to think about living a life with more purpose,

701
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: whatever that means for you. And by the way, there's

702
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: no it doesn't fucking matter what it is. It only

703
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: matters to you. It doesn't matter to me or Tip

704
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: or Andrew. And also you know, just living that as

705
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: we spoke about, you know, everyone's going to wake up

706
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: in a minute and we're five years older. And so

707
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: in order to inhabit that five year life, that we

708
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: would love to that five year later life. You know

709
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: that's really a big part of that is dependent on

710
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: what we do now or what we do moving forward

711
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: from now. You know that, Hohle, this wasn't my plan. Well,

712
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: if you don't have a plan, you're definitely not going

713
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: to go where you would like to know. So I

714
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: think that I'll step down off my bloody high horse now.

715
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: But I just think that that giving people permission Andrew

716
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: also to not need to figure this out in the

717
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: next ten minutes. But at the same time, don't put

718
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: it in the bottom drawer and think it's just going

719
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: to fucking sort itself out, because that too, is a

720
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: bad idea. I'll jump on your high horse.

721
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: And when I have someone who's or if I'm in

722
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: a group and the brief is, can you talk to

723
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: this executive team and we want you to cover purpose,

724
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: I'll run out and say what I've told you. For

725
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: the research shows, bang bang, bang, A purpose has to

726
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: be bigger than you. Excite the living daylights out of you,

727
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 2: and be future focused. All the data on that. However,

728
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: right here, right now, if you're tired and fatigued, if

729
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: you're really distracted and you don't have time to put

730
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: into this. Don't freaking go there. It's just going to

731
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: stress you out. And you're almost see a collective. So

732
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: you mean I don't need a purpose? No, no, no,

733
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: it's just not the right time now. So when you've

734
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: got more time, more energy, more attention in this set

735
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: into going deeper, Well what do I do now? Champ

736
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: makes sure you've got some meaning, some fun, some pleasure,

737
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: some joy in your life and supplement and and I

738
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: see people go because life can be tough. We've had COVID.

739
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: There's ups and downs in relationships and work and everything else.

740
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: Here's what I've learned from having four kids. Number one, Fuck,

741
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: they're expansive. I think that's it. That's really the story

742
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: I've learned from kids. My kids play and the two

743
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: little girls, Sophia's four, Millie is two.

744
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: But she keeps on me, I'm not a baby. You're

745
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: a baby. She got my smartest gene harps.

746
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: They play, They have play dough, play dates, play school,

747
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: play time, play lunch every single day and often look

748
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: at adults and what do we do? We do meetings

749
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: And that's where the story ends. So what I've learned

750
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: through my gorgeous little kids and my bigger kids. Is

751
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: build some fun and some frivolity and play into a situation.

752
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: And I find this. I've just had a couple of

753
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: really busy weeks. I just make sure to have some fun.

754
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: Whether it's with the kids. It could be fitness, play

755
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: tiff like you know you're there, you're not full on

756
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: smashing into someone, but you're just grappling, doing a bit

757
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: of wrestling, just having a bit of fun with it.

758
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: Or it could be you know, I love a swim

759
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: in the ocean or a surf. So people listening to

760
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: this Harps is on the money. Don't go to purpose

761
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: if you're not ready, But don't use that as an

762
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: excuse for not having a bit of fun and a

763
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: bit of pleasure, a bit off join your life, because,

764
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: as you say, you wake up on five years older

765
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: and go, yeah, that was pretty shitty boring five years

766
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: And I've seen this too much and so few harps.

767
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: It's that you climb the mountain and you have a miserable,

768
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: boring bastard when you get there.

769
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: You know, if we're going to buy a car, the

770
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: second hand car, there's this thing that everyone does is

771
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: you take it either you take it or the person

772
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: who's selling it takes it to a mechanic who's going

773
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: to climb all over it and see what's working and

774
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: what's not working. You know, you kind of do an assessment.

775
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: It needs this, it needs that. That's no good. That's

776
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: bad for the car. We need a new tie there.

777
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: We need to fix that fucking head gasket because it's

778
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: leaking oil. Blah blah blah. Right, And I think we

779
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: can draw an analogy on our life is that. I

780
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: think if you're not sure on your purpose, or you

781
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: don't have clarity about absolute clarity about where you want

782
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: to be in one, two, five years, I think a

783
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: really good starting point is to do a roadworthy on

784
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: your life, is to kind of put it up on

785
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: the hoist and go, let me have a look at

786
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: my life. What's my current operating system. What am I

787
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: investing time and energy and focus in. What are my

788
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: results telling me? What kind of outcomes am I producing

789
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: with my body, with my health, with my career, with

790
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: my relationships, with my projects, with my academic pursuits, with

791
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: my you know, maintaining my cognitive function. What am I doing?

792
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm sixty years old, Am I doing anything that's

793
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: going to make my brain work better when I'm sixty five?

794
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: Would I like it to work better? Well? If so,

795
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: what the fuck am I doing? By the way, I'm

796
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: fifteen kilos overweight, I'm morbidly obese. I'm not trying to

797
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: be disrespectful here anyone, but forget what I look like.

798
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: But just do I want to be healthier? Yes?

799
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: I do?

800
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: Cool? What are you currently doing? And so I think

801
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: it is requires courage, but to be able to kind

802
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: of you know that e myth concept of not working

803
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: in the business but on the business. And it's like,

804
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: it's very hard to be objective about me because I'm me,

805
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: so sometimes what's important And I've spoken about this story

806
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: many times. I won't bore everyone. But when I was

807
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: about thirty five, I hit the pause button on my

808
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: life and I went away for ten days and spent

809
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: them alone because I literally wanted to figure out what

810
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: the fuck I was doing with my life. Even though

811
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: I was successful in inverted commas, I didn't feel it.

812
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: And so for me, stepping back from my day to

813
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: day and the people I interacted with and my roles

814
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: and responsibilities and the gym that I went to every

815
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: day with the same bloke and trained at and the

816
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, I just went to a different place. I

817
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: didn't talk to anyone. But what that distance, that metaphoric

818
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: and geographic distance gave me was a level of insight

819
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: and perspective and awareness that I couldn't get in the

820
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: middle of the day to day. So I think, my

821
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: long winded, fucking point is if your life, your results,

822
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: your outcomes, your health, your lifestyle, your relationships, your mindset

823
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: is not working in inverted commas, whatever that means, then

824
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: start to try to put your life up on the

825
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: hoist to get a perspective, an awareness, and insight into

826
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: what you currently can't what's working, what's not working. Start

827
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: with those questions. This is where that convergence divergence comes

828
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: back in. As you say that I can't help but

829
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: think your listeners. You'll have a heavy slang towards the

830
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: corporate audience and the entrepreneurs have a lot of core

831
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: put in their business because you don't run a good

832
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: business without metrics. So everyone listening to this would have

833
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: some sort of form of metric or KPI in parts

834
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: of their life.

835
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: And then big businesses do this beautifully you've got the metrics,

836
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: and you just know what the metrics are for your business,

837
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: whether it's sales meetings per week or turn around time

838
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: on proposals or dispatch in a warehouse. There's KPIs on

839
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: running a good business, and it's always measured by revenue.

840
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: You look at engagement and a couple of other metrics

841
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: as well, market penetration. And I look at the time

842
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: we spend on a business and the planning on a business,

843
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: so planning on building a house, and we do fuck

844
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: all on our bodies. So even if you just took

845
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 2: a little bit of that and every year did a

846
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 2: bit of a review, it's like the annual review, where

847
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: am I at? I do this every year, harps, I

848
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: do this with my clients. So as an ex athlete,

849
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: I think you don't lose that metrics. But I know

850
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: what I want my resting heart rate to be. I

851
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: know what what I want my heart rate variability to be.

852
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: I know what my sleep metrics. So with people on

853
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: wearable tech metrics get the heart rate variability. So you

854
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: have all these metrics and then you can dial up

855
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: the data. The training, the strength training, the fasting, the

856
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: fasting and having a bit of fun and everything in between.

857
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: I just find that we.

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Speaker 2: Do such a good job on businesses, generally on metrics,

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Speaker 2: but we do such a poor job. So as you're saying,

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Speaker 2: the hills hoist, if our audience just your audience just

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Speaker 2: had a couple of metrics or came back like the

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Speaker 2: annual review, how am I going? Do I fit into

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Speaker 2: these genes? And Bernard Salt wrote a great article a

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Speaker 2: few years ago, pretty controversial. Have you ever had Bird

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Speaker 2: on the show? No demographer rites for The Australian and

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Speaker 2: he wrote that he thinks a relationship should be a

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Speaker 2: bit like a bank. So you have a home line

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Speaker 2: three years time, I know my line for the apartment

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Speaker 2: comes up. We've got to go and renegotiate with the bank.

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Speaker 2: Now hopefully interest rates will be down. On negotiating, we'll

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Speaker 2: lock some in fixed, some variable. And there's your answer.

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Speaker 2: Bird was saying we should do similar with our relationships.

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Speaker 2: I'm in a relationship, So how am I to you?

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Speaker 2: What's working?

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Speaker 1: How's it going on communication? How's our sense of life going? Like?

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Speaker 2: I think I'm awesome? Like do you find that I'm awesome?

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Speaker 2: And isn't that an interesting analogy though? To do that

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Speaker 2: on a relationship, to do that on yourself and its people,

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Speaker 2: that's so fucking interesting. I mean yeah, because in the

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Speaker 2: middle of all of that awareness and strategy and logic

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00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: and assessment is emotion and fear and anxiety and body

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Speaker 2: image and shit self esteem. But I love the I

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Speaker 2: love the question. I love that I would like to

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Speaker 2: dig deeper into that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I don't do that with my partner.

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Speaker 2: Would scare the shit out of me doing that with

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Speaker 2: she's lebones. Yeah, no, you'd be I could not end

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Speaker 2: well for you. I get told every day I don't

889
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Speaker 2: need to do an annual review. So I love about

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Speaker 2: the Mediterranean cultures. You know, they just tell you. And

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Speaker 2: I listened to her talking to a sister. You're having

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Speaker 2: an argument. No, we're just telling each other. We're catching

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Speaker 2: up with coffee.

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Speaker 1: This is my third podcast for the day, and I

895
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Speaker 1: should be exhausted because I've done a bunch of other

896
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Speaker 1: shit as well, but I'm so energized. I so love

897
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Speaker 1: talking to you, and I'm not pissing in your pocket.

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Speaker 1: You're such a good human, You're so smart. You share

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Speaker 1: ideas and thoughts and stories so easily and beautifully. You know,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you and thank you so much for chatting

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Speaker 1: with us. You and I could do a fucking five

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Speaker 1: hour episode. I know I'm going to get Tiff to

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Speaker 1: chop this in half, but tell people where they can

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Speaker 1: connect with you. So your show is called Performance Intelligence.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Podcast is Performance Intelligence And the best way to find

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Speaker 2: me is go to Andrewmay dot com. That's the website. Wow,

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Speaker 2: all things Hey in the feelings of mutual buddy love.

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Speaker 2: You love your work. You've been a huge influence on me.

911
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Speaker 2: You're a massive sharer of information, so good things happen

912
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Speaker 2: to good people. Halts appreciate you and Tiff you go, okay,

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Speaker 2: we both love you.

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Speaker 3: Thought about the little protege.

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Speaker 2: If I love listening to podcasts, and I love seeing

916
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Speaker 2: your evolution and where you're at, and you've rounded him out.

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Speaker 1: We talk about diversity.

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Speaker 2: I'll just finish with this made me realize, Harps, I'm

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Speaker 2: in a good spot last night and I've got a

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Speaker 2: bloody good team. So coming back from Perth, did a

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Speaker 2: post just before the plane took off, and I really

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Speaker 2: believe as we evolved, if it's the collective some of

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Speaker 2: the people were around, that really helps us grow. I've

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Speaker 2: seen him evolve a lot in a good way. I reckon,

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Speaker 2: you've helped him more than you realize. I love you

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Speaker 2: as well, Champ, just don't know you as well as

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Speaker 2: I love the Harps. So I did a shout out

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Speaker 2: to the team I was with yesterday, but also a

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Speaker 2: big shout out to my support team. So Angela Poune,

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Speaker 2: Luba Posha, Valeya, Sean Pern and Angeline Bonato, and I

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Speaker 2: just thought, oh my god, I've got so many wonderful

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Speaker 2: women and men in my life. And it's diversity, Like

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Speaker 2: there's Angel and Sean have got an Asian background, Luba's Russian,

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Speaker 2: and jillins from the Philippines and love that we hang

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Speaker 2: out with different people, learn convergence, divergence, You've done three podcasts,

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Speaker 2: Wrap me Up.

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Speaker 1: And you've got an indigenous mate who tells you you're

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Speaker 1: not fucking special for walking around in bare feet.

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Speaker 2: So that's what makes are for I catch up and

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Speaker 2: the buddies once a year, boys from door off site,

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Speaker 2: husband off site, and they tell me how shit I am.

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Speaker 2: It's the same buck ups from when you were fifteen.

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Speaker 1: And that's awesome. That's hilarious. Mate. We appreciate you. Will

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Speaker 1: say goodbye Fair But if I think you need to

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Speaker 1: get the Great Man on your show, yeah will you?

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Speaker 3: Will you?

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Speaker 1: Andrew love too, I'd love to Thanks everyone,