Speaker 1: Well keep squeaking closer and at the moment, I think
Speaker 1: the start of every show week so we've got to
Speaker 1: have a look at the ladder and outstarting to shake it.
Speaker 1: The shape up and as we said last week, points
Speaker 1: differential is so important. They look at the nature the ladder.
Speaker 1: At the moment, you've got the top four which is
Speaker 1: stantoning more and more settled. I mean as far as
Speaker 1: forms concerned, certainly are was pretty locked in. You'd think
Speaker 1: so dolphins sit there, they've got the ability to go
Speaker 1: up but still down. Then you've got Knights, Rabbit O's
Speaker 1: and Bulldogs that sit in the eighth. The Cowboys just
Speaker 1: outside with Manly. It's it's interesting like the Cowboys after
Speaker 1: the weekend, most people yask them just blindly. Do the
Speaker 1: Cowboys play finals? They said absolutely, no way, but they've
Speaker 1: got a dream run hand.
Speaker 2: Off the back of conceding eighty points. If you go
Speaker 2: have a look at that run like Titans, Eels, Tigers,
Speaker 2: they win those, they're back of the conversation when you
Speaker 2: look at that. I think it's starting tape show. I
Speaker 2: think the Canary Bulldogs ten weeks ago, I don't think
Speaker 2: we would have been very confidence saying the Dogs can
Speaker 2: do anything this year, No way, but I think they
Speaker 2: can now got back a bit of their DNA defensively
Speaker 2: with their line speed at work rate. But the big
Speaker 2: point for them is why I think they are a threat.
Speaker 2: They're halves and their back rolls. They were devastatingly good
Speaker 2: on the weekend and I think they can have enough
Speaker 2: threat there to cause some damage. They they play a
Speaker 2: good brand of foot foot they can unsettled penrate.
Speaker 3: The Roosters and the Warriors.
Speaker 2: South City for me, is the team that if it
Speaker 2: doesn't win a couple could be on the slide. Dogs
Speaker 2: versus House In a couple of weeks, there's a couple
Speaker 2: of big games that will determine. I think Cowboys can
Speaker 2: slip in, but if they beat the Titans this weekend,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give them a chance. But I think it's
Speaker 2: all down to how they bounce back this weekend against.
Speaker 1: The big times. The best house than the Bulldogs, uh
Speaker 1: Souse has got paramatter, then they've got the Dogs. Dogs
Speaker 1: have got the Roosters there that house, that that that
Speaker 1: game that that when they come up against each other
Speaker 1: what they call an old fashioned four point.
Speaker 2: Penrith and the Warriors yeah, you go to start looking
Speaker 2: at those things as well.
Speaker 3: You do.
Speaker 1: It's interesting in playing the Roosters this week for the
Speaker 1: Dogs because you see sides to go in these great
Speaker 1: runs and when the loss, it sometimes burst the balloon.
Speaker 1: So it's a critical game for them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know you give the Dogs a chance
Speaker 3: against the Roosters big time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big time. The Roosters are exactly the side that's
Speaker 1: in their wheelhouse. They can They'll go with the Roosters
Speaker 1: and look to upset the Roosters with their rushing defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the Roosters with a lot of confidence with
Speaker 2: the eighty points. This is a game that the Roosters
Speaker 2: play the Dogs and then Penrith next week. I sit
Speaker 2: here thinking the Roosters have all the ingredients, but if
Speaker 2: they can't beat Penrith or at least play close enough
Speaker 2: to the point they rattled them a little bit, that
Speaker 2: is a huge game in their Premiership credentials.
Speaker 1: Penrith, you said, ignore that first couple of weeks coming
Speaker 1: out of state of origin. It's a little bit of
Speaker 1: tread water refocusing. Boy that they were good and clear.
Speaker 1: His performance. I just love the variation what he played
Speaker 1: with I don't think I don't think Ivan can drop
Speaker 1: Jack Cougar again. I just I just think it's what like,
Speaker 1: It's not just what Jack gives the football side, right,
Speaker 1: he gives them a very pragmatic they know what they're
Speaker 1: going to get with Jack Cougar. But what the great
Speaker 1: thing about Jack Cougar is what he gives Nathan. He
Speaker 1: just gives Nathan a freedom. I watched when Jack's playing
Speaker 1: in the side, Nathan, Nathan is a lot more hecky
Speaker 1: to say this. There's more variation. He's game, but he's more.
Speaker 1: He's more all in on plays. Sometimes I watch him sometimes, Nathan,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't he won't push himself too far into
Speaker 1: a set because he's got to look after that last
Speaker 1: tackle option and whatnot. When jackson the side, he's willing
Speaker 1: to really take the line on more and more and
Speaker 1: takes some risks because he knows Coiger can pick up
Speaker 1: the slack and finish the set for him. That makes sense,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to nurse him through the game.
Speaker 2: I get your point about the variation and unlocking and
Speaker 2: things like that, but unless I think Blaze to Lungey
Speaker 2: holds a key if his defense is improved for me,
Speaker 2: he is back in because they don't need to improve.
Speaker 3: All that much to win the premiership. But Nathan for me, needs.
Speaker 2: To touch the ball more than ever before. He doesn't
Speaker 2: need to have someone else to help him out. He's
Speaker 2: a gun like. He is an absolute the best player
Speaker 2: in the competition, so he doesn't need help. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: I think it's where the blaze to lungey. Its defense
Speaker 2: is good enough to bounce back. That's my key, and
Speaker 2: if he does that in New South Wales Corp, he
Speaker 2: is straight back in the team.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting one to watch Nathan's football with Jack
Speaker 1: alongside him. He hops in there, rolls the.
Speaker 3: Greend final when he came on the field.
Speaker 1: I get that he'll get him because as you know, Coop,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a guy I had to manage to
Speaker 1: many sometimes for full field and as a playmaker. That's
Speaker 1: sort of playmaker. You need mental rest through the game.
Speaker 2: But you can have Cogger on the bench you can
Speaker 2: get that impact if the game is not going in
Speaker 2: your favor.
Speaker 3: I don't know that if they.
Speaker 2: Should start a game with Nathan moving in and out
Speaker 2: of the normal rhythm, I.
Speaker 1: Think what we're about to see with Nathan. Just watching
Speaker 1: him in that game on Saturday night, Nathan is about
Speaker 1: to take ball playing to another level that I don't
Speaker 1: think Rugby League or even maybe Ruby Nions have ever seen.
Speaker 1: Just some of the things he was doing, some of
Speaker 1: the subtle variations, the late straightens, the deception.
Speaker 2: You can tell, like even some of his kicks, that
Speaker 2: this isn't something that he's just oh, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: going to try this, Like he has been master in
Speaker 2: his craft for.
Speaker 3: Weeks and weeks and weeks.
Speaker 2: He's now got the confidence to pull out banana forty
Speaker 2: twenty kicks, stop steady ball playing, no looking sort of
Speaker 2: long passes. He's been working away in the background. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I agree he's about to have a really good
Speaker 2: back end of these.
Speaker 1: Thinking about him after that game the other night, and
Speaker 1: thinking about certain things he's obviously been working on and
Speaker 1: little adjustments, some little experiments. I reckon you're going to
Speaker 1: see little there's going to be moments in Nathan's career
Speaker 1: where you'll see him take half a step backwards, like
Speaker 1: he's lost a little bit of form. But in my opinion,
Speaker 1: it's he working at working at new little ways of
Speaker 1: doing things that makes sense, Like I'm not a golfer
Speaker 1: koper at all, but I love Tiger Woods's book and
Speaker 1: it says about Tiger Woods once he was out there
Speaker 1: playing one day and he just he was winning majors,
Speaker 1: but he just felt that he didn't have full control.
Speaker 1: So he went to it to a swing coach and said,
Speaker 1: I want to change everything. And he said, are you
Speaker 1: willing to do this? It's going to this is going
Speaker 1: to set you back two years in your career. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to do it because I want that subtle improvement.
Speaker 1: I want to actually be perfect. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that Nathan will. You know it's going to take six
Speaker 1: months there. But you see little last year at that started.
Speaker 1: Last year, his football just went back a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I think it was him trying to progress his
Speaker 1: football in the long term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the key part is chase perfection.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in this in world gets to perfection.
Speaker 2: As long as you've got a mindset to continually improve
Speaker 2: and get better, it just lives lifts the standard. And
Speaker 2: that's the point you're talking about. Like Nathan's not all
Speaker 2: of a sudden just trying tricks. He's actually doing the
Speaker 2: building blocks of ballplane and then doing the tricks on
Speaker 2: top of it, like his cake is multi layered compared
Speaker 2: to any other door player in the competition.
Speaker 1: Biggest threat to them at the moment the Roosters. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's sides closing in left, right, and center. You
Speaker 1: are the Roosters who are suddenly playing the best football
Speaker 1: seen play for a long one.
Speaker 2: Trent Robinson in when he's one, Comps has timed his
Speaker 2: run like that.
Speaker 3: They feel like they're timing.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Sharks in the second and the war.
Speaker 1: So those two sides are closing in as well the Roosters.
Speaker 1: The reason why I think the biggest threat is because
Speaker 1: they're they're a sort of side that tipify. That's that's
Speaker 1: saying on their day, that makes sense, like they come
Speaker 1: up against anyone and on their day.
Speaker 2: I don't like that comment because it depends on which
Speaker 2: side of the bed you roll out whether he can
Speaker 2: win or not. Right, But the one thing I like
Speaker 2: about the Roosters is the season has been trending in
Speaker 2: the right direction, and every decision around winning in September
Speaker 2: for me is can you beat Penrith. That's ultimately what
Speaker 2: it is, because if you're going to try and sidestep them,
Speaker 2: then it's hopeful thinking. I feel like most people talk
Speaker 2: about Tedesca and Sam Walk and rightly so. But if
Speaker 2: you look at Penrith, I think the far Who White
Speaker 2: and the Ford pack the Roosters have could be the
Speaker 2: team that just really dominates physically. The Panthers back Moses
Speaker 2: Lioda is a damn good player, Lindsay Smith the damn
Speaker 2: good player, Lim Henry's a good They're all good players.
Speaker 2: But the fact is Fisher, Harris and Leota have always
Speaker 2: been there and I feel like the far Who.
Speaker 3: White is now growing into the alpha that.
Speaker 2: I feel like he could actually if you look at
Speaker 2: the eighty points on the weekend, go have a look
Speaker 2: at the tries that were scored, or the line break scored,
Speaker 2: or something that happened when it was Victor Radley and
Speaker 2: far Who what either one or two play the balls
Speaker 2: doing something in the leader. I think there's something that
Speaker 2: the Roosters have an advantage over Penrith. But the one
Speaker 2: thing that Penrith has over the Roosters is the record. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Rusters have not beaten Penrith for a long time
Speaker 2: and in a big game, and there are I don't
Speaker 2: care how confident you are and how good you're playing
Speaker 2: unless this game in two weeks time the Roosters can
Speaker 2: do something that says we can meet you anywhere, anytime
Speaker 2: and will beat you as opposed to on their day.
Speaker 2: I think that game in two weeks determines whether the
Speaker 2: Roosters can win it or lot.
Speaker 1: Sam Walker is having He's had a real jump in
Speaker 1: his performance state of origin.
Speaker 3: Just a sugarhead of confidence that he needed right.
Speaker 1: And he came out of origin and he's just come
Speaker 1: out like that performance was something good. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that when he's barking at Marke you Mark
Speaker 1: give it him a bit of a spray there. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's probably symbolic of where CMC's he's
Speaker 1: standing in the team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, but the.
Speaker 1: Big don't keep We're talking about the moment and I
Speaker 1: don't think it won't be a distraction for him. But
Speaker 1: it's good talking point. Ten years, What do you think?
Speaker 1: I don't like ten years. I don't like ten year
Speaker 1: deals for players and they like it for clubs. It's
Speaker 1: rarely that one party doesn't lose out. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: For a player because circumstances changed so much. You know
Speaker 1: which on field circumstances, whether it be injury. You don't
Speaker 1: think too much about form because some form doesn't matter
Speaker 1: who they are. Can have a little depth, but class
Speaker 1: always comes back. But even things that happen off the field,
Speaker 1: which a fact which effect on field performance. All those factors.
Speaker 1: He put up a good argument for ten years on
Speaker 1: the weekend, but I just don't. But I don't like it.
Speaker 1: It's a look I've said to people before. It's a cage.
Speaker 1: In Sami's case, it's a golden cage, but it's still
Speaker 1: a cage.
Speaker 2: Ye, No, I agree with you. I wouldn't be signing
Speaker 2: anyone to a ten year deal. It's just my personal circumstances.
Speaker 2: In fact, I'd be waiting into the game against better
Speaker 2: than two weeks time before signing any condrect, just to
Speaker 2: see how he goes. Like, if you think about a
Speaker 2: ten year contract, these are the little clauses or return
Speaker 2: on investment that you probably should get from ten years.
Speaker 2: You've got to play the majority, let's call it, three
Speaker 2: hundred games, Like you've got to be available, you got
Speaker 2: to be ready to play all those three hundred games.
Speaker 2: You've probably got to win multiple Grand finals in ten years.
Speaker 2: That's fair at multiple prelim finals and more than one,
Speaker 2: Like you've got to have one or two in the
Speaker 2: cabinet over ten years. And you've also got to be
Speaker 2: the best player both on and off the field, like
Speaker 2: you've got to set the training stands culturally, you've got
Speaker 2: to be the main guy that they lean into. So
Speaker 2: like Jerry Evans ten year deal, well, no real grand
Speaker 2: finals in there since his first year.
Speaker 1: Personal form yes, but as far as effecting the side now, no.
Speaker 2: Tal malolo like what he got Dallium two sixteen Grand
Speaker 2: final the next year.
Speaker 1: A couple of years where he was the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: going what are we going to do?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like the history of the game, is there
Speaker 2: anyone that's really return on investments those as we've spoken about.
Speaker 1: Delivering a couple of yours mates? Yeah, camera Jammy Smith's
Speaker 1: one definitely, Billy out a couple of years out, years.
Speaker 2: Out for his shoulder, Like he does play three hundred
Speaker 2: games for the Storm, but two years out is a
Speaker 2: big thing. Darren Lockier is probably a return brother directing
Speaker 2: your brother was a return.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I don't think I wouldn't
Speaker 1: sign him ten years like a lifestyle No. No, But
Speaker 1: for ten years there were injuries there. Joey had years,
Speaker 1: a couple of growing years where he was carrying injury.
Speaker 1: He got close. But but I mean Darren Lockyer, right,
Speaker 1: Darren Locke, you just sent me that's a there's an
Speaker 1: argument for Locky without a shadow of doubt like you
Speaker 1: had day doing close to eighteen months. We had a
Speaker 1: little dip going from full back to six and the
Speaker 1: adjustments of that that made it was only probably the
Speaker 1: back end of that premiership winning side into premiership winning
Speaker 1: year in two thousand and six that he went okay.
Speaker 3: Starting reinvented himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Freddy is one. He got sort of the start
Speaker 1: of the Super League war. He went from Penrith to
Speaker 1: the Roosters because the a r L Super League alignment.
Speaker 1: Freddie won a competition, got him in the competition in
Speaker 1: two thousand and two. We had a couple of tough
Speaker 1: years going in and.
Speaker 2: I feel like the Ruses are damned if they do
Speaker 2: and damned if they don't, because if they don't, then
Speaker 2: I imagine he could get that ten year deal at
Speaker 2: X amount of dollars anywhere else, but you also want
Speaker 2: a little bit of a returner investment of clause or
Speaker 2: whatever it is. So I think I think the game
Speaker 2: against Penith in two weeks site is going to be
Speaker 2: a big thing for everything.
Speaker 1: We've got a lot to talk about it, but let's
Speaker 1: just stay on this for a second, because we've oftentimes
Speaker 1: being to talk about contracts and how things work. But
Speaker 1: I think this is interesting at the moment what we're
Speaker 1: seeing now in the game. It's traditional when you talk
Speaker 1: about contracts, they're looking to sign people say, you know,
Speaker 1: three year deal, three year deal, million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Well that's starting to change now. What we're starting to
Speaker 1: see is that the very best players, the elite players,
Speaker 1: the halfbacks to be specific, agents now asking for a
Speaker 1: percentage of the salary cap, which is very interesting. So
Speaker 1: to let people know, you know how much we're going
Speaker 1: to sign for, you know, well, hit this player player A.
Speaker 1: He wants ten percent of the salary cap. So at
Speaker 1: the moment, the sellar cat's twelve point one million, that
Speaker 1: means he gets basically one point million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Next year the salary caps up sixteen millions, one point
Speaker 1: six and so on, and the one that's really come
Speaker 1: to evidence and I'm not saying this in any way
Speaker 1: shape or breaking news, has been spoken about quite a
Speaker 1: lot a lot. Tommy did he's percent a sellar cap
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. If the salary cap goes to twenty million,
Speaker 1: for instance, he be on two point four and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. It's very interesting. I'll ask you
Speaker 1: this question, well.
Speaker 2: The other the alternative and what used to happen in
Speaker 2: a broadcast cycle where the sealer cap goes up. You
Speaker 2: might be on X and the broadcast your salary cap
Speaker 2: goes up by ten percent. Your X plus ten percent
Speaker 2: is a threshold or a lever that they put in contract.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's been around for a while.
Speaker 2: It's just a different way saying twelve percent of the
Speaker 2: overall salary cap versus a twelve percent increase on your
Speaker 2: current deat.
Speaker 1: And it's very interesting to explain it like that as
Speaker 1: far as salary cap, because it almost you start to okay, right,
Speaker 1: he really had a real feeling of how much a
Speaker 1: player is worth. Didn't's twelve percent? Okay? What is Sam
Speaker 1: Walker for this? For this rooster side?
Speaker 2: You know he's Sam, But salary caps are different because
Speaker 2: of different players.
Speaker 1: And already in the side things like that, because.
Speaker 2: The good clubs and like to be fair. Nathan clearly
Speaker 2: could walk into Penrith and say give me this now.
Speaker 1: Okay, well let me let me pose that to you.
Speaker 1: Right if didn't's on twelve percent Coops and Nathan's coming
Speaker 1: off contract and they're a situation Penrith, they say, look, Nathan,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, mate, we can't give
Speaker 1: him more than thirteen percent. What could he get if
Speaker 1: he went to right, what do you think.
Speaker 3: It could get?
Speaker 2: Basically whatever he wants, Like if he came available to
Speaker 2: Perth or the p andng like, he's getting whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: Would you put would you push towards?
Speaker 2: But this is the point, Matthew, Like, you can go
Speaker 2: anywhere and get maximum value. If that's your drive, then
Speaker 2: the game is set up for you to be able
Speaker 2: to achieve that. But if your driver is to be
Speaker 2: great and create a legacy at the club, you're not
Speaker 2: going to get as much as what your market. I
Speaker 2: get that, So I think Nathan is probably doing it
Speaker 2: the right way compared to some of the other alternative ways.
Speaker 1: Of it being it'd just it'd be very interesting to
Speaker 1: see how far a club would push if you if
Speaker 1: you did, if Nathan was the sort of personality. So
Speaker 1: that right, let's get auction right twenty percent? Who would
Speaker 1: buy it? Who would take it? Because someone to take
Speaker 1: him at twenty And I'll tell you why, coop, Because
Speaker 1: what they'll say is it's going to be worth it,
Speaker 1: because he's going to get guys alongside him the worth
Speaker 1: six hundred, but he'll get on playing like nine hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars players.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: We have seen world Sport do things like that, like
Speaker 2: Beckham when to La Galaxy right for a sort of
Speaker 2: cheaper compared to what he was.
Speaker 3: On at Real Madrid or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Roaldo correct, correct.
Speaker 2: And I feel like Nathan is, how can I say
Speaker 2: this a more subtle approach, Let's get this done and
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out, let's respectfully go and have
Speaker 2: a conversation as opposed to shop front window give me
Speaker 2: eighteen percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just an interesting thing what we're seeing
Speaker 1: at the moment. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that happens at the top and then
Speaker 2: the domino effect of everything else comes in. So once
Speaker 2: you start chewing up a big party, a cap for
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen percent. Then that affects the other decision makers. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're Nathan, you can actually get return on investment
Speaker 2: because you'll improve the four hundred thousand dollars player to
Speaker 2: six hundred purely because of him. Now, part of a
Speaker 2: ten year deal probably should be a little clause on there.
Speaker 2: Do you improve the players around you or are you
Speaker 2: just a great individal your playoffs?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what's expected in a ten you do, and.
Speaker 1: That's what separates great players from there, from the from
Speaker 1: the icons. The icons make everyone around the better players
Speaker 1: these I thought their performance on the weekend and I
Speaker 1: watch I watched the Titans being part of it with
Speaker 1: a more critical eye. And there's been times this year
Speaker 1: that with the Titans performance and you'd asked to coach
Speaker 1: Josh Hana disappointed in the effort. Bastually, I was watching
Speaker 1: the Titans on the weekend and I thought aspects of
Speaker 1: the game were good. That which shows you how good
Speaker 1: the Warriors were. The Warriors returning to that power based football,
Speaker 1: winning the spirit of the play the ball, getting more
Speaker 1: sixter gains, getting way Egan had a dummy half, you know,
Speaker 1: Chanel and Tomorrow Martin having you know, they had so
Speaker 1: much time to play. I thought I never knew. I
Speaker 1: never knew Tomorrow was that good a ball player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you won't like to hear this, but I felt it.
Speaker 2: I fell into the trap of loving what the Titans
Speaker 2: did against the Dragons and thought, you know what, at home,
Speaker 2: they are a sneaky chance. No, the Warriors are so consistent,
Speaker 2: so good at the hardest parts of the game. They've
Speaker 2: got a great players, great culture to Marty Martin good,
Speaker 2: But I feel like the best part of the Warriors
Speaker 2: game is the one two punch of Aaron Clark and
Speaker 2: Fisher Harris. I think they are playing like Fisher Harriws swapped,
Speaker 2: didn't swap, but got exchange for Adam Fania Blake, and
Speaker 2: most people at that time thought, well, Adam Vanila Blake
Speaker 2: probably has a bigger impact on the contest. I think
Speaker 2: we're starting to see why Andrew Webster got Fisher Harris. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's a great performer on the field, but he is
Speaker 2: driving this team to September and they are They are thereabouts.
Speaker 2: I had a little bit of a dip at different stages,
Speaker 2: but their consistency and savage line speed defensively to Martin,
Speaker 2: Martin Good, the only question mark I have around the
Speaker 2: Warriors is there centers Pompy and layer Tower defensively Can
Speaker 2: they stop a Penrith machine or Sam Walker or.
Speaker 3: Tedesco on their day that that that for me will
Speaker 3: be the key. But that they are, they are, They're good.
Speaker 1: Wade Egan was good off.
Speaker 3: The back of Aeron Clark and Fish hours.
Speaker 1: Doing his punching through. Mate. There was a couple of bits.
Speaker 1: It was I think with about twelve thirty minutes ago
Speaker 1: for a half time he did a little play dummy,
Speaker 1: then went up and just a little hangball. It was
Speaker 1: just pure class. And even the one we was tomorrow
Speaker 1: did that beautiful short pass near the line. It was
Speaker 1: just as good as short pass you see anyone throw.
Speaker 1: But if you look at what created that space, it
Speaker 1: was why doing his typical thing, get out, look short
Speaker 1: and just roll the wrists over.
Speaker 2: And if I give, like Victor Radlin a far who
Speaker 2: wired a chance of taking down Penrith, I definitely give
Speaker 2: Aeron Clark and Fish horis the same thing. There is
Speaker 2: not many chinks in Penrith, but it is maybe their
Speaker 2: physicality truly through the middle. If there is a big
Speaker 2: bop on the other side, and that blazes to lungy
Speaker 2: left edge defensively. That's the only two chings I can
Speaker 2: really find him.
Speaker 1: It was interesting yesterday watching the Sharks play Coup was
Speaker 1: how animated in the box.
Speaker 2: Was very reserved, very sort of subtle guy, but definitely
Speaker 2: banging on the glass more than ever before.
Speaker 1: One of two things. One is I think yesterday was
Speaker 1: the game that in the last couple of years they
Speaker 1: would have lost. Yep, would have dropped, but I'll see you.
Speaker 1: The other one, I think that he has no problem
Speaker 1: with the camera's been on him. I think he is.
Speaker 1: I think he's sending a message by his reaction players
Speaker 1: to his players.
Speaker 2: So there was a piece of his press conference where
Speaker 2: people are saying, oh, are you in a better position
Speaker 2: than ever before to win the comp and he's saying
Speaker 2: things like, oh, the outside think that, but my feeling
Speaker 2: for this team has not changed. And knowing Fitsy, it's
Speaker 2: exactly that he's.
Speaker 3: Not talking to the paper.
Speaker 2: He's talking to his players, saying, hey, we're playing well,
Speaker 2: but I've always believed in you. Because if they get
Speaker 2: to another really final and that's it, Well, if you
Speaker 2: just keep doing the same thing, you're going to.
Speaker 3: Get the same outcome, right yep.
Speaker 2: I feel like he is pumping up his team, making
Speaker 2: sure they're dialed intoing all the little things because I
Speaker 2: think he believes that they actually can go past the
Speaker 2: prelium final. But it is a big, big opportunity if
Speaker 2: they don't or do, because if they don't, he's as
Speaker 2: to make some changes, and if they do, he's found
Speaker 2: the right recipe.
Speaker 1: It's interesting with Fitzi. My coaches have to have a
Speaker 1: certain amount of discipline to be the person they have
Speaker 1: to be to get their side to win a competition
Speaker 1: or perform. He has some coaches who are pricks, or
Speaker 1: most coaches are pricks, and but what they do is
Speaker 1: they have to have the discipline to be have that
Speaker 1: bit of bedside manner to get the best of their players.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Fitzy, it's the opposite. Fitzi is such
Speaker 1: a great guy that almost he's got to have the
Speaker 1: discipline to not be his natural self, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. At his run into the finals, Nihi is interesting, Coop.
Speaker 1: You know, we look at Nicolay, he's playing better football
Speaker 1: now than he won the Delian medal in my opinion,
Speaker 1: him and Tricky and Blake Braley, that combination just working beautifully.
Speaker 1: Will Kennedy too, But Niko always with Nico, you know
Speaker 1: Niko very well. He's a guy, you know that the
Speaker 1: confidence doesn't come natural as natural as other guys. But
Speaker 1: I think symbolic that he's on top of his game
Speaker 1: as if actually thirty two from thirty two of his goalkicking,
Speaker 1: I think that's.
Speaker 2: And the guys, Yes, they spoke to him after it
Speaker 2: and they said, is it in the back of your mind?
Speaker 2: And this is a little bit of the mind shift
Speaker 2: of Nico Hines. He goes, well, normally I'd try and
Speaker 2: avoid it, I try and not talk about it, but
Speaker 2: you know what, stuff, it's there and I'm going after it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That is symbolic for him about playing generally, like yes
Speaker 2: there's milestone there. Yes there's a sense of accomplishment. But
Speaker 2: normally he would go, oh, I don't know if I
Speaker 2: can do it. Maybe hopefully it works, please please, whereas
Speaker 2: now he's going, you know.
Speaker 3: It's stuff, it going, I'm kicking good. Where were the
Speaker 3: balls on the field? Is try a score?
Speaker 2: I'm going after it is a bit of a shift
Speaker 2: in Nico's mind and it's making him play the best
Speaker 2: he's ever played.
Speaker 1: The Knights went over the Broncos. The story coming out
Speaker 1: to most people with the Broncos the Broncos, he's further
Speaker 1: evidence that they're going. They're officially out. I mean they've
Speaker 1: been out the last month. I think the story with
Speaker 1: having a Navocastrian bias, I think it was the Titans Knights.
Speaker 3: Because the Knights and now the Finals, you jump back
Speaker 3: on board.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so if you look at the Knights versus the Broncos,
Speaker 1: I just thought I described it like this. I thought
Speaker 1: the Knights had a sharp threat and I thought that
Speaker 1: the Broncos had a soft threat. Now let me explain
Speaker 1: to this. And when I say soft threat, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking cowardice or anything like that. I'm talking the fact
Speaker 1: that what's the way the Knights attacked. Everything that the
Speaker 1: Knights did not fletcher sharp, No, I mean sharp, decisive.
Speaker 1: Everything they did cook, The way they moved the ball around,
Speaker 1: every sequence, every play had a direct purpose if you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They've worked it somewhere and you
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing. The fact that was very
Speaker 1: deliberate what they're doing, given the fact there be someone
Speaker 1: looking to run that nice straight line and everything was
Speaker 1: beautifully synchronized. Watching what I mean the soft threat from
Speaker 1: the Broncos. The soft threat is using talent and just
Speaker 1: moving the ball around the field hoping to find something.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Yeah, I thought that was a
Speaker 1: difference between the two sides could.
Speaker 2: Well explained completely understand it. I took one thing out
Speaker 2: of the Knight's performance on the weekend is Caylen Ponger
Speaker 2: is a real deal. He's been a great player for
Speaker 2: a while and he's won a dally Am and everything,
Speaker 2: but he truly has the Knights hopes dreams in the
Speaker 2: palm of his hand, not just through his performance but
Speaker 2: his leadership. He's actually now understanding his influence in the game.
Speaker 2: And if you go and watch every try that is
Speaker 2: scored by the Newcastle Knights on the weekend, watch Kaylen
Speaker 2: in the background, he's yahooing and clapping the guys that
Speaker 2: actually created the momentum and the opportunity. Feel like when
Speaker 2: he gets in those positions, he's as deadly as anyone.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the Dolphins there, but the Dolphins actually, as I said,
Speaker 1: I'm back on the Dolphins. I thought the weekend people going,
Speaker 1: oh you know, that wasn't a greater performance against the
Speaker 1: Dragons made it. The Dragons are starting to play some
Speaker 1: very decent football. I don't worry too much into that.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that next week. More. We've got to
Speaker 1: think about the dally Ams. We will talk about next week.
Speaker 1: We've run out of time. There's so much to talk about,
Speaker 1: so much to talk about, so little time. Anyway, you
Speaker 1: guys just once enjoy the replay three six. Do you
Speaker 1: have a good mind