WEBVTT - Round 22 Takeaways 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:04.480 Well keep squeaking closer and at the moment, I think 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:05.760 the start of every show week so we've got to 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.320 have a look at the ladder and outstarting to shake it. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.240 The shape up and as we said last week, points 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.840 differential is so important. They look at the nature the ladder. 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.640 At the moment, you've got the top four which is 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:16.720 stantoning more and more settled. I mean as far as 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.360 forms concerned, certainly are was pretty locked in. You'd think 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.319 so dolphins sit there, they've got the ability to go 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.480 up but still down. Then you've got Knights, Rabbit O's 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.160 and Bulldogs that sit in the eighth. The Cowboys just 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:33.760 outside with Manly. It's it's interesting like the Cowboys after 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.720 the weekend, most people yask them just blindly. Do the 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.000 Cowboys play finals? They said absolutely, no way, but they've 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:42.120 got a dream run hand. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.199 Off the back of conceding eighty points. If you go 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.720 have a look at that run like Titans, Eels, Tigers, 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.000 they win those, they're back of the conversation when you 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.920 look at that. I think it's starting tape show. I 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.200 think the Canary Bulldogs ten weeks ago, I don't think 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.200 we would have been very confidence saying the Dogs can 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.240 do anything this year, No way, but I think they 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.600 can now got back a bit of their DNA defensively 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.560 with their line speed at work rate. But the big 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.400 point for them is why I think they are a threat. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.560 They're halves and their back rolls. They were devastatingly good 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.320 on the weekend and I think they can have enough 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:20.160 threat there to cause some damage. They they play a 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.840 good brand of foot foot they can unsettled penrate. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.039 The Roosters and the Warriors. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.480 South City for me, is the team that if it 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.039 doesn't win a couple could be on the slide. Dogs 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.760 versus House In a couple of weeks, there's a couple 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.480 of big games that will determine. I think Cowboys can 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.720 slip in, but if they beat the Titans this weekend, 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.200 I'm gonna give them a chance. But I think it's 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.680 all down to how they bounce back this weekend against. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.440 The big times. The best house than the Bulldogs, uh 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.080 Souse has got paramatter, then they've got the Dogs. Dogs 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.560 have got the Roosters there that house, that that that 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.840 game that that when they come up against each other 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.400 what they call an old fashioned four point. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.200 Penrith and the Warriors yeah, you go to start looking 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.240 at those things as well. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:07.720 You do. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.120 It's interesting in playing the Roosters this week for the 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:11.959 Dogs because you see sides to go in these great 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.680 runs and when the loss, it sometimes burst the balloon. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.240 So it's a critical game for them. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:18.959 But yeah, I know you give the Dogs a chance 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.720 against the Roosters big time. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.760 Yeah, big time. The Roosters are exactly the side that's 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.200 in their wheelhouse. They can They'll go with the Roosters 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.560 and look to upset the Roosters with their rushing defense. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:29.839 Yeah. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.640 I think the Roosters with a lot of confidence with 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.200 the eighty points. This is a game that the Roosters 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.519 play the Dogs and then Penrith next week. I sit 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.440 here thinking the Roosters have all the ingredients, but if 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.519 they can't beat Penrith or at least play close enough 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.120 to the point they rattled them a little bit, that 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.200 is a huge game in their Premiership credentials. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.639 Penrith, you said, ignore that first couple of weeks coming 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.880 out of state of origin. It's a little bit of 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.440 tread water refocusing. Boy that they were good and clear. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.440 His performance. I just love the variation what he played 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:11.440 with I don't think I don't think Ivan can drop 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:17.240 Jack Cougar again. I just I just think it's what like, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.720 It's not just what Jack gives the football side, right, 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.440 he gives them a very pragmatic they know what they're 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.920 going to get with Jack Cougar. But what the great 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.880 thing about Jack Cougar is what he gives Nathan. He 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.760 just gives Nathan a freedom. I watched when Jack's playing 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.240 in the side, Nathan, Nathan is a lot more hecky 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.440 to say this. There's more variation. He's game, but he's more. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.560 He's more all in on plays. Sometimes I watch him sometimes, Nathan, 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.120 and he doesn't he won't push himself too far into 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:46.880 a set because he's got to look after that last 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.240 tackle option and whatnot. When jackson the side, he's willing 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.280 to really take the line on more and more and 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.480 takes some risks because he knows Coiger can pick up 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.640 the slack and finish the set for him. That makes sense, 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.400 he doesn't have to nurse him through the game. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.160 I get your point about the variation and unlocking and 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.560 things like that, but unless I think Blaze to Lungey 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.440 holds a key if his defense is improved for me, 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.360 he is back in because they don't need to improve. 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:17.000 All that much to win the premiership. But Nathan for me, needs. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.640 To touch the ball more than ever before. He doesn't 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.080 need to have someone else to help him out. He's 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.440 a gun like. He is an absolute the best player 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.279 in the competition, so he doesn't need help. In my opinion, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.200 I think it's where the blaze to lungey. Its defense 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.400 is good enough to bounce back. That's my key, and 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.479 if he does that in New South Wales Corp, he 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:37.599 is straight back in the team. 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.520 It's an interesting one to watch Nathan's football with Jack 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.600 alongside him. He hops in there, rolls the. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.159 Greend final when he came on the field. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.960 I get that he'll get him because as you know, Coop, 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.479 I mean, you're a guy I had to manage to 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.480 many sometimes for full field and as a playmaker. That's 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.599 sort of playmaker. You need mental rest through the game. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.440 But you can have Cogger on the bench you can 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.440 get that impact if the game is not going in 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:02.840 your favor. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:03.880 I don't know that if they. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.800 Should start a game with Nathan moving in and out 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:10.919 of the normal rhythm, I. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:12.919 Think what we're about to see with Nathan. Just watching 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.839 him in that game on Saturday night, Nathan is about 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.840 to take ball playing to another level that I don't 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.600 think Rugby League or even maybe Ruby Nions have ever seen. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.000 Just some of the things he was doing, some of 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.880 the subtle variations, the late straightens, the deception. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.120 You can tell, like even some of his kicks, that 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.200 this isn't something that he's just oh, you know, I'm 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.680 going to try this, Like he has been master in 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.560 his craft for. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:37.880 Weeks and weeks and weeks. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.320 He's now got the confidence to pull out banana forty 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:46.080 twenty kicks, stop steady ball playing, no looking sort of 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.479 long passes. He's been working away in the background. Yeah, 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.120 and I agree he's about to have a really good 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:54.039 back end of these. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.240 Thinking about him after that game the other night, and 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.080 thinking about certain things he's obviously been working on and 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.520 little adjustments, some little experiments. I reckon you're going to 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.640 see little there's going to be moments in Nathan's career 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.080 where you'll see him take half a step backwards, like 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.160 he's lost a little bit of form. But in my opinion, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.159 it's he working at working at new little ways of 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.440 doing things that makes sense, Like I'm not a golfer 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.760 koper at all, but I love Tiger Woods's book and 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.839 it says about Tiger Woods once he was out there 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.480 playing one day and he just he was winning majors, 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.240 but he just felt that he didn't have full control. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.800 So he went to it to a swing coach and said, 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.320 I want to change everything. And he said, are you 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.640 willing to do this? It's going to this is going 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.760 to set you back two years in your career. He said, 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.080 I'm willing to do it because I want that subtle improvement. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.640 I want to actually be perfect. And I'm not saying 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.039 that Nathan will. You know it's going to take six 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.960 months there. But you see little last year at that started. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.200 Last year, his football just went back a little bit. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.599 But I think it was him trying to progress his 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:55.520 football in the long term. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.640 Yeah, I think that's the key part is chase perfection. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.400 I don't think anyone in this in world gets to perfection. 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.400 As long as you've got a mindset to continually improve 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.680 and get better, it just lives lifts the standard. And 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.960 that's the point you're talking about. Like Nathan's not all 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.800 of a sudden just trying tricks. He's actually doing the 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.840 building blocks of ballplane and then doing the tricks on 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.720 top of it, like his cake is multi layered compared 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.320 to any other door player in the competition. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.920 Biggest threat to them at the moment the Roosters. I mean, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:29.640 there's there's sides closing in left, right, and center. You 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.560 are the Roosters who are suddenly playing the best football 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:32.920 seen play for a long one. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.440 Trent Robinson in when he's one, Comps has timed his 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:37.200 run like that. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.440 They feel like they're timing. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.240 We'll talk about the Sharks in the second and the war. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.280 So those two sides are closing in as well the Roosters. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.640 The reason why I think the biggest threat is because 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.440 they're they're a sort of side that tipify. That's that's 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:53.240 saying on their day, that makes sense, like they come 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.440 up against anyone and on their day. 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.240 I don't like that comment because it depends on which 0:07:58.280 --> 0:07:59.800 side of the bed you roll out whether he can 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.440 win or not. Right, But the one thing I like 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:07.200 about the Roosters is the season has been trending in 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.800 the right direction, and every decision around winning in September 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.520 for me is can you beat Penrith. That's ultimately what 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.239 it is, because if you're going to try and sidestep them, 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.400 then it's hopeful thinking. I feel like most people talk 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.960 about Tedesca and Sam Walk and rightly so. But if 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.520 you look at Penrith, I think the far Who White 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.840 and the Ford pack the Roosters have could be the 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:36.640 team that just really dominates physically. The Panthers back Moses 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.800 Lioda is a damn good player, Lindsay Smith the damn 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.920 good player, Lim Henry's a good They're all good players. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.040 But the fact is Fisher, Harris and Leota have always 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.480 been there and I feel like the far Who. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.480 White is now growing into the alpha that. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.840 I feel like he could actually if you look at 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.600 the eighty points on the weekend, go have a look 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.480 at the tries that were scored, or the line break scored, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.520 or something that happened when it was Victor Radley and 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.960 far Who what either one or two play the balls 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.760 doing something in the leader. I think there's something that 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.640 the Roosters have an advantage over Penrith. But the one 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:11.840 thing that Penrith has over the Roosters is the record. Yeah, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.840 the Rusters have not beaten Penrith for a long time 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.440 and in a big game, and there are I don't 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.280 care how confident you are and how good you're playing 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.280 unless this game in two weeks time the Roosters can 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.200 do something that says we can meet you anywhere, anytime 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.079 and will beat you as opposed to on their day. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.640 I think that game in two weeks determines whether the 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.040 Roosters can win it or lot. 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.640 Sam Walker is having He's had a real jump in 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.679 his performance state of origin. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.800 Just a sugarhead of confidence that he needed right. 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.240 And he came out of origin and he's just come 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.720 out like that performance was something good. I like that. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.199 I like that when he's barking at Marke you Mark 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:51.400 give it him a bit of a spray there. I 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:56.600 think I think it's probably symbolic of where CMC's he's 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:57.400 standing in the team. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.760 Yeah, absolutely, but the. 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.520 Big don't keep We're talking about the moment and I 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.920 don't think it won't be a distraction for him. But 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.280 it's good talking point. Ten years, What do you think? 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.199 I don't like ten years. I don't like ten year 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.640 deals for players and they like it for clubs. It's 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.960 rarely that one party doesn't lose out. I don't like it. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.000 For a player because circumstances changed so much. You know 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.920 which on field circumstances, whether it be injury. You don't 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.760 think too much about form because some form doesn't matter 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.520 who they are. Can have a little depth, but class 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.560 always comes back. But even things that happen off the field, 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.640 which a fact which effect on field performance. All those factors. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.720 He put up a good argument for ten years on 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.960 the weekend, but I just don't. But I don't like it. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.280 It's a look I've said to people before. It's a cage. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.320 In Sami's case, it's a golden cage, but it's still 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:46.720 a cage. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.560 Ye, No, I agree with you. I wouldn't be signing 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.079 anyone to a ten year deal. It's just my personal circumstances. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.760 In fact, I'd be waiting into the game against better 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.880 than two weeks time before signing any condrect, just to 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.480 see how he goes. Like, if you think about a 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.200 ten year contract, these are the little clauses or return 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.640 on investment that you probably should get from ten years. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.640 You've got to play the majority, let's call it, three 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:11.800 hundred games, Like you've got to be available, you got 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.480 to be ready to play all those three hundred games. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.920 You've probably got to win multiple Grand finals in ten years. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.840 That's fair at multiple prelim finals and more than one, 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:22.560 Like you've got to have one or two in the 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.360 cabinet over ten years. And you've also got to be 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.840 the best player both on and off the field, like 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.200 you've got to set the training stands culturally, you've got 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.600 to be the main guy that they lean into. So 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:38.319 like Jerry Evans ten year deal, well, no real grand 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:39.920 finals in there since his first year. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.679 Personal form yes, but as far as effecting the side now, no. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.840 Tal malolo like what he got Dallium two sixteen Grand 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:48.719 final the next year. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.120 A couple of years where he was the Cowboys were 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:52.839 going what are we going to do? 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:53.520 Yeah? 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.640 Yeah, So like the history of the game, is there 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:01.080 anyone that's really return on investments those as we've spoken about. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.920 Delivering a couple of yours mates? Yeah, camera Jammy Smith's 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.120 one definitely, Billy out a couple of years out, years. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.319 Out for his shoulder, Like he does play three hundred 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.600 games for the Storm, but two years out is a 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.400 big thing. Darren Lockier is probably a return brother directing 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:17.720 your brother was a return. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.800 No, I don't think so. I don't think I wouldn't 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.640 sign him ten years like a lifestyle No. No, But 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:29.000 for ten years there were injuries there. Joey had years, 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.080 a couple of growing years where he was carrying injury. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.120 He got close. But but I mean Darren Lockyer, right, 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.360 Darren Locke, you just sent me that's a there's an 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.199 argument for Locky without a shadow of doubt like you 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.000 had day doing close to eighteen months. We had a 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.920 little dip going from full back to six and the 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.920 adjustments of that that made it was only probably the 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.520 back end of that premiership winning side into premiership winning 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.760 year in two thousand and six that he went okay. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.000 Starting reinvented himself. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.280 Yeah, Freddy is one. He got sort of the start 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.320 of the Super League war. He went from Penrith to 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.480 the Roosters because the a r L Super League alignment. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.840 Freddie won a competition, got him in the competition in 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.840 two thousand and two. We had a couple of tough 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:12.760 years going in and. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.680 I feel like the Ruses are damned if they do 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.520 and damned if they don't, because if they don't, then 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.520 I imagine he could get that ten year deal at 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.040 X amount of dollars anywhere else, but you also want 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.400 a little bit of a returner investment of clause or 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.360 whatever it is. So I think I think the game 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.160 against Penith in two weeks site is going to be 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:33.080 a big thing for everything. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.280 We've got a lot to talk about it, but let's 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.880 just stay on this for a second, because we've oftentimes 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.480 being to talk about contracts and how things work. But 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.400 I think this is interesting at the moment what we're 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.160 seeing now in the game. It's traditional when you talk 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.400 about contracts, they're looking to sign people say, you know, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.920 three year deal, three year deal, million dollars a year. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.240 Well that's starting to change now. What we're starting to 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.640 see is that the very best players, the elite players, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:01.400 the halfbacks to be specific, agents now asking for a 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.640 percentage of the salary cap, which is very interesting. So 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.360 to let people know, you know how much we're going 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:11.200 to sign for, you know, well, hit this player player A. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.120 He wants ten percent of the salary cap. So at 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.280 the moment, the sellar cat's twelve point one million, that 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.880 means he gets basically one point million dollars a year. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.560 Next year the salary caps up sixteen millions, one point 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.480 six and so on, and the one that's really come 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.160 to evidence and I'm not saying this in any way 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.960 shape or breaking news, has been spoken about quite a 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.880 lot a lot. Tommy did he's percent a sellar cap 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.760 with the Cowboys. If the salary cap goes to twenty million, 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.800 for instance, he be on two point four and so 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.280 on and so forth. It's very interesting. I'll ask you 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:40.200 this question, well. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.400 The other the alternative and what used to happen in 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.680 a broadcast cycle where the sealer cap goes up. You 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.360 might be on X and the broadcast your salary cap 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.480 goes up by ten percent. Your X plus ten percent 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.280 is a threshold or a lever that they put in contract. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.880 Yes, it's it's been around for a while. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.680 It's just a different way saying twelve percent of the 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.360 overall salary cap versus a twelve percent increase on your 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:05.840 current deat. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.400 And it's very interesting to explain it like that as 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:13.840 far as salary cap, because it almost you start to okay, right, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.040 he really had a real feeling of how much a 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:21.000 player is worth. Didn't's twelve percent? Okay? What is Sam 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.240 Walker for this? For this rooster side? 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.800 You know he's Sam, But salary caps are different because 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:28.040 of different players. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.560 And already in the side things like that, because. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.680 The good clubs and like to be fair. Nathan clearly 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.200 could walk into Penrith and say give me this now. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.120 Okay, well let me let me pose that to you. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.840 Right if didn't's on twelve percent Coops and Nathan's coming 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.480 off contract and they're a situation Penrith, they say, look, Nathan, 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:48.920 at the end of the day, mate, we can't give 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.560 him more than thirteen percent. What could he get if 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.880 he went to right, what do you think. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:55.840 It could get? 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.560 Basically whatever he wants, Like if he came available to 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.200 Perth or the p andng like, he's getting whatever he wants. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.240 Would you put would you push towards? 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.720 But this is the point, Matthew, Like, you can go 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.160 anywhere and get maximum value. If that's your drive, then 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.080 the game is set up for you to be able 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.480 to achieve that. But if your driver is to be 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.040 great and create a legacy at the club, you're not 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.400 going to get as much as what your market. I 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.240 get that, So I think Nathan is probably doing it 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:28.760 the right way compared to some of the other alternative ways. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.600 Of it being it'd just it'd be very interesting to 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.280 see how far a club would push if you if 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.320 you did, if Nathan was the sort of personality. So 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:42.840 that right, let's get auction right twenty percent? Who would 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.800 buy it? Who would take it? Because someone to take 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.240 him at twenty And I'll tell you why, coop, Because 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.160 what they'll say is it's going to be worth it, 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.640 because he's going to get guys alongside him the worth 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.120 six hundred, but he'll get on playing like nine hundred 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:56.000 thousand dollars players. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:56.320 Correct. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.840 We have seen world Sport do things like that, like 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.240 Beckham when to La Galaxy right for a sort of 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.000 cheaper compared to what he was. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:06.240 On at Real Madrid or whatever it was. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.200 Roaldo correct, correct. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.200 And I feel like Nathan is, how can I say 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:17.879 this a more subtle approach, Let's get this done and 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.240 if it doesn't work out, let's respectfully go and have 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.800 a conversation as opposed to shop front window give me 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:25.040 eighteen percent. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.440 Yeah, but it's just an interesting thing what we're seeing 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:28.880 at the moment. Yeah, it's just. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.680 Well, I think that happens at the top and then 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.440 the domino effect of everything else comes in. So once 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.000 you start chewing up a big party, a cap for 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.600 twelve thirteen percent. Then that affects the other decision makers. Now, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.479 if you're Nathan, you can actually get return on investment 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.199 because you'll improve the four hundred thousand dollars player to 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.879 six hundred purely because of him. Now, part of a 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.040 ten year deal probably should be a little clause on there. 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.720 Do you improve the players around you or are you 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.600 just a great individal your playoffs? 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.960 I mean, that's what's expected in a ten you do, and. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.600 That's what separates great players from there, from the from 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.719 the icons. The icons make everyone around the better players 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.000 these I thought their performance on the weekend and I 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.720 watch I watched the Titans being part of it with 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.360 a more critical eye. And there's been times this year 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.240 that with the Titans performance and you'd asked to coach 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.800 Josh Hana disappointed in the effort. Bastually, I was watching 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.840 the Titans on the weekend and I thought aspects of 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:40.800 the game were good. That which shows you how good 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.920 the Warriors were. The Warriors returning to that power based football, 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.560 winning the spirit of the play the ball, getting more 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.640 sixter gains, getting way Egan had a dummy half, you know, 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.399 Chanel and Tomorrow Martin having you know, they had so 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.600 much time to play. I thought I never knew. I 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.399