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Speaker 1: Appoche production.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, and welcome back to a bonus episode of

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Speaker 2: The Missing Matter. We've had a lot of people asking

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Speaker 2: us if episode ten was going to be the last,

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Speaker 2: and well, we really thought that it might be for

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Speaker 2: a little while until we had something else to really

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Speaker 2: the background, and we thought we'd jump in today and

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Speaker 2: tell you a little bit about what has been happening,

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Speaker 2: because it's been rather crazy, no surprise to most of you,

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Speaker 2: I am flying solo today. Jonie was supposed to be

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Speaker 2: very well, so she's looking after him and I'm taking

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Speaker 2: the reins and hopefully we'll be able to tell you

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Speaker 2: together what we've been doing with some of the things

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Speaker 2: we've captured.

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Speaker 3: Along the way.

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Speaker 2: So if I ride back to October twenty fourth, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, Johnny and I arrived super early at six

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Speaker 2: twenty am into Brisbane Airport after not much sleep. We

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Speaker 2: gave each other a massive hug and I had to

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Speaker 1: You know what I hate about flying, especially these long

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Speaker 1: wall flights. You fall asleep and you think you've had

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Speaker 1: a really good sleep. You've wake up and you go, right,

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Speaker 1: we must be nearly there.

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Speaker 4: You go, oh, we've actually got eight hours to go.

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Speaker 1: It's that is quite horrendous. It's not a very fun,

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Speaker 5: Darcy has surgery tomorrow, nothing too serious, but she's never

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Speaker 5: had a surgery before, so.

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Speaker 6: Can you this story. I, on the other hand, had

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Speaker 6: decided to book my flat back to Melbourne later in

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Speaker 3: On time arriving.

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Speaker 6: But my flight to Melbourne was actually delayed, so I

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Speaker 2: So months prior to us going overseas, I had been

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Speaker 2: chatting with my friend Kim Marshall about what we could

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Speaker 2: changes that we feel are super important. You might recognize

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Speaker 2: Kim's name. Kim is Bromin Winfield's sister, and we have

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Speaker 2: become quite close. Anyway, Kim and I had decided to

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Speaker 2: team busily working behind the scenes for many many months,

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Speaker 2: Chris Darcy took on the lead on making this happen.

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Speaker 7: I went a whole.

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Speaker 1: Little bag, it's my books from the bird even speak, head.

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Speaker 4: Down the Sydney very early thirty in the morning, up

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Speaker 2: This was November last year, and just shrive a month

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Speaker 2: Before I went away, Dad had told me that he'd

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Speaker 2: I was pretty impressed actually that my eighty one year

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Speaker 1: Called two sheets Tippers often owns a month. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The symposium was a great display of families with missing

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Speaker 2: It was a really great show of unity amongst those

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Speaker 2: as I said of Chris Darcy and Adele from Search

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Speaker 2: So the new year rolls around and I had to

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Speaker 2: Then a month later, nineteenth of February, we talk about

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Speaker 2: and get ready to bring him up. It was one

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Speaker 2: said to Chris, let's go and take a look at

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Speaker 2: this Floribella Pass at Warramoo. So many of you have

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Speaker 2: where my mum saw the name Flora Bella and potentially

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Speaker 7: let's just do a loop de loop. So we're just

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Speaker 1: He that street name, chrisin Flora Bella Street, So we thought.

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Speaker 4: We've had so many people comment and send us messages

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Speaker 1: That she taught at Springwood Primary School.

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Speaker 2: When about twenty five of us catching up today, which

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Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to. But on the way, I

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Speaker 4: Road down to Florabella Pass. You have to kind of

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Speaker 4: think Chris and I were just talking. Is this how

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Speaker 4: know about you guys, but I've never heard that name before.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well I think we're I don't think we're going

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Speaker 1: But anyway, this is Florabella.

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Speaker 1: Remove Public School, Florabella.

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Speaker 4: Do you think she's Do you think she's been to

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Speaker 1: See, I've never driven anyhow.

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Speaker 4: I've lived on the Blue Mountains for a very long

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Speaker 1: But anyway, we'll keep heading.

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Speaker 2: Up to spring Wood now to go and go and

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Speaker 2: see mum's friends. So something I have learned in this

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Speaker 5: Okay, so I've just met with the Attorney.

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Speaker 1: General's chief of staff.

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Speaker 8: What a lovely man.

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Speaker 1: Thank goodness.

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Speaker 5: He has already started the ball rolling. He has spoken

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Speaker 8: They have said to him that they're not.

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Speaker 5: and I'm so happy that that is happening. I've just

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Speaker 5: Didn't want to overwhelm him, but he's like, no, thank

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Speaker 5: you for giving me all of that. He seemed really

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't get into the papers unless that had all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So it's now the sixth of March and

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Speaker 2: Chris and I fly my dad up to Brisbane.

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Speaker 3: We had to do it by ourselves.

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Speaker 2: We asked for or the place that Dad had been

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Speaker 2: but he was declined. Very challenging and very sad for

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Speaker 2: me to watch my dad, just the simple things like

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Speaker 2: He kept playing with it and he kept telling me

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Speaker 2: he wanted it out, and he didn't understand. He could

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Speaker 2: very sad time. But you know where he is now.

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Speaker 2: He's settled. It's a beautiful facility. They're lovely people and

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Speaker 6: So after so many people messaging us both and posting

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Speaker 1: To be honest, you know, we've been researching it.

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Speaker 3: We've come, we're.

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Speaker 13: Coming through the wooden bowl, but we've come to short

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Speaker 14: So you've been suggested to come and talk to about

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Speaker 3: Were you in were you doing anything like that? Or

440
00:25:55,521 --> 00:25:56,761
Speaker 3: have I got the wrong play?

441
00:25:59,120 --> 00:25:59,321
Speaker 2: Yeah?

442
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: All right, that's.

443
00:26:01,441 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 11: How long ago?

444
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:13,681
Speaker 14: Do your jantique shirt? Was it like two thousands? I'm

445
00:26:13,681 --> 00:26:14,281
Speaker 14: going to show you.

446
00:26:14,721 --> 00:26:16,801
Speaker 3: I'm going to show you a photo. Do you know

447
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: this bloke? This man, his name is Rick Frederick, the

448
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 3: head of ary.

449
00:26:25,001 --> 00:26:25,041
Speaker 6: H.

450
00:26:26,561 --> 00:26:29,641
Speaker 11: So is that him?

451
00:26:29,681 --> 00:26:36,441
Speaker 14: Well, everyone says it, So I'll show you. It's interesting

452
00:26:36,441 --> 00:26:38,241
Speaker 14: to you because I can talk to you and I'll

453
00:26:38,321 --> 00:26:42,481
Speaker 14: just I'll find another photo that will help the name

454
00:26:42,561 --> 00:26:42,761
Speaker 14: to it.

455
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,801
Speaker 11: But in the same business he would have gone to

456
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,041
Speaker 11: auctions and stuff and.

457
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: Coins.

458
00:26:51,001 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 11: I didn't deal with them. I had plenty. I just

459
00:26:53,041 --> 00:26:58,801
Speaker 11: sold a coin collection to go and Lismore. But no,

460
00:26:59,001 --> 00:27:01,801
Speaker 11: it wasn't that. I've got heaps of coins, but never

461
00:27:01,921 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 11: dealt in him. That's interesting. Let me make your coffee,

462
00:27:05,721 --> 00:27:09,001
Speaker 11: let me let my brain to go. Yeah, yeah, you

463
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:09,761
Speaker 11: drink coffee.

464
00:27:10,801 --> 00:27:17,401
Speaker 7: Hello, Hello, hello there looking for I.

465
00:27:17,441 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: Just saw a picture of you on the back of

466
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:25,161
Speaker 2: the mother was going out with this fella six ninety seven,

467
00:27:25,201 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: after ninety seven.

468
00:27:26,241 --> 00:27:30,641
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, him in ninety seven and disappeared.

469
00:27:33,521 --> 00:27:36,761
Speaker 11: We talked to how do you to her?

470
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,001
Speaker 3: No, but he's on our list.

471
00:27:39,721 --> 00:27:42,561
Speaker 5: Through my journey and telling my mom's story, we've actually

472
00:27:42,561 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 5: found a number of other women who have had dealings

473
00:27:46,481 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 5: with this guy of similar nature.

474
00:27:47,961 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 8: So he's still married to the same woman, which is

475
00:27:50,201 --> 00:27:50,721
Speaker 8: the woman in.

476
00:27:50,681 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: That picture there. Yeah, they've been together.

477
00:27:53,921 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 13: So she was nine, remember, so she went as Anne

478
00:27:58,521 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 13: when they're in wooden bunks winners Anne or Diane the

479
00:28:03,801 --> 00:28:11,521
Speaker 13: head of very m Yeah, tea something sounds horrible.

480
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: Huh wouldn't go into a pretty small area and everyone seems.

481
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,321
Speaker 8: Tonio everybody maybe they might remember something.

482
00:28:18,921 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: Well, how about the other remember might remember something?

483
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 11: Huh yeah, look uh yeah, look he's a p Yeah, okay,

484
00:28:29,961 --> 00:28:32,281
Speaker 11: bad he's the eighties now, Oh.

485
00:28:32,201 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 14: Alright, who else would make the open to us having

486
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,401
Speaker 14: a cha to ay or do you reckon?

487
00:28:36,521 --> 00:28:37,041
Speaker 1: They think?

488
00:28:37,561 --> 00:28:38,321
Speaker 5: Have yeah?

489
00:28:38,561 --> 00:28:41,961
Speaker 11: Thstup? Black? Yeah and fine, she was there all the time,

490
00:28:43,481 --> 00:28:47,881
Speaker 11: what she Hey, I don't remember any of 'em fans

491
00:28:48,001 --> 00:28:48,881
Speaker 11: love a shock.

492
00:28:49,121 --> 00:28:55,161
Speaker 9: Ah, yes, yeah, you should be one to hit Yeah.

493
00:28:55,281 --> 00:29:02,001
Speaker 7: Hello, yeah, it's good clad like we look in say hooray.

494
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:02,721
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

495
00:29:04,601 --> 00:29:09,081
Speaker 1: Oh but he looks very familiar. So he's a tall

496
00:29:09,681 --> 00:29:11,721
Speaker 1: belly like six foot four.

497
00:29:12,761 --> 00:29:13,641
Speaker 15: Just picks too.

498
00:29:17,361 --> 00:29:18,081
Speaker 6: That's my world.

499
00:29:19,081 --> 00:29:22,841
Speaker 8: So the other thing is like, I don't think my

500
00:29:22,961 --> 00:29:24,081
Speaker 8: mum came out here, but.

501
00:29:25,641 --> 00:29:25,881
Speaker 6: It was.

502
00:29:25,921 --> 00:29:28,361
Speaker 8: The timeline was at matchup with when they lived here.

503
00:29:28,361 --> 00:29:29,321
Speaker 1: And when we moved in.

504
00:29:29,561 --> 00:29:36,361
Speaker 3: But so we were told to go and see.

505
00:29:39,721 --> 00:29:42,881
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a weird next saw me he got a

506
00:29:42,921 --> 00:29:46,521
Speaker 9: house or something or well, it's quite just go down

507
00:29:46,601 --> 00:29:51,921
Speaker 9: this show, turn right on Derek Road and it's see only.

508
00:29:54,361 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 11: All right.

509
00:29:54,841 --> 00:29:57,961
Speaker 3: So I'm going down, just walking down the main street

510
00:29:58,041 --> 00:29:58,961
Speaker 3: of Wooden Bong.

511
00:30:00,801 --> 00:30:03,161
Speaker 1: Looking for the house of.

512
00:30:07,641 --> 00:30:07,681
Speaker 4: So.

513
00:30:07,921 --> 00:30:13,921
Speaker 15: Interestingly enough, his house is pretty much adjacent to where

514
00:30:15,481 --> 00:30:19,641
Speaker 15: Rick Bloom's house was, opposite the pool. So if he

515
00:30:19,761 --> 00:30:26,921
Speaker 15: doesn't know him, then I don't know who else would

516
00:30:26,961 --> 00:30:32,481
Speaker 15: actually know him. So let's just see how we go.

517
00:30:34,481 --> 00:30:36,401
Speaker 3: You weren't here in the late eighties, were you.

518
00:30:38,001 --> 00:30:41,441
Speaker 1: With my wife? Are you serious? Well?

519
00:30:43,521 --> 00:30:45,601
Speaker 3: Did you know that the head of very family?

520
00:30:46,801 --> 00:30:47,601
Speaker 1: The head of Very?

521
00:30:50,081 --> 00:30:53,161
Speaker 6: So there was Rick and Diane and they had two

522
00:30:53,241 --> 00:30:57,761
Speaker 6: kids and they lived at Number two in the eighties.

523
00:30:58,961 --> 00:31:05,361
Speaker 14: Right opposite their pool there opposite Oh yeah, yeah it.

524
00:31:05,441 --> 00:31:09,921
Speaker 3: Doesn't see how community too, yeah, like te.

525
00:31:11,401 --> 00:31:12,081
Speaker 1: And so after a.

526
00:31:12,121 --> 00:31:15,081
Speaker 2: Massive day, I think we ended up driving for about

527
00:31:15,841 --> 00:31:17,801
Speaker 2: I don't know, seven and a half hours, eight hours.

528
00:31:18,841 --> 00:31:19,641
Speaker 3: It was a big day.

529
00:31:19,761 --> 00:31:20,881
Speaker 8: We didn't eat any lunch.

530
00:31:21,321 --> 00:31:23,921
Speaker 2: We were just on the go, going, bouncing from one

531
00:31:23,961 --> 00:31:27,121
Speaker 2: place to the next, trying to get as much information

532
00:31:27,241 --> 00:31:30,281
Speaker 2: as we possibly could, just to put it on file.

533
00:31:30,361 --> 00:31:30,841
Speaker 8: We've done it.

534
00:31:30,961 --> 00:31:33,561
Speaker 2: It's something we wanted to do for a while, and

535
00:31:33,681 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: we ticked those boxes. Monday, we recorded the final episodes

536
00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:46,801
Speaker 2: for the podcast, and then came the editing and making

537
00:31:46,881 --> 00:31:49,041
Speaker 2: sure that you know, everything was in there that.

538
00:31:49,041 --> 00:31:50,841
Speaker 8: We needed to have in there for you guys.

539
00:31:51,121 --> 00:31:53,121
Speaker 2: And you know, I just want to take this opportunity

540
00:31:53,121 --> 00:31:56,801
Speaker 2: to say a massive thanks firstly to Joonie for being

541
00:31:56,921 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: here standing with me. Doing this takes bravery, it takes courage,

542
00:32:00,761 --> 00:32:05,401
Speaker 2: It takes strength, It takes knowledge and time and effort

543
00:32:06,081 --> 00:32:10,241
Speaker 2: to put all these things together and be constantly working

544
00:32:10,321 --> 00:32:13,361
Speaker 2: on it. It is a labor of love, I would say,

545
00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:16,881
Speaker 2: because it is quite challenging at times and you know,

546
00:32:16,921 --> 00:32:18,521
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to do that without her, And

547
00:32:18,561 --> 00:32:21,601
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry that you've only heard my voice mostly

548
00:32:21,721 --> 00:32:25,641
Speaker 2: today in this episode, but it's important that we keep

549
00:32:25,761 --> 00:32:28,041
Speaker 2: letting you know that we are still working. There are

550
00:32:28,121 --> 00:32:32,681
Speaker 2: still things to being behind the scenes, and I am

551
00:32:32,761 --> 00:32:36,401
Speaker 2: still writing to the AFP, I am still talking to

552
00:32:36,641 --> 00:32:39,601
Speaker 2: New South Wales Police. I am still making sure that

553
00:32:40,201 --> 00:32:44,481
Speaker 2: people are understanding what the situation is and knowing that,

554
00:32:44,841 --> 00:32:46,801
Speaker 2: you know, we need to do better in this space,

555
00:32:46,841 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: and this should never happen to anybody, particularly if they

556
00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:52,641
Speaker 2: have a missing person. People should not have to fight

557
00:32:52,761 --> 00:32:55,361
Speaker 2: this hard to get the answers and to be heard.

558
00:32:56,121 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 8: So you know, without you guys here.

559
00:32:58,481 --> 00:33:03,361
Speaker 2: Listening and supporting and sharing and caring about not just

560
00:33:03,521 --> 00:33:06,641
Speaker 2: me but all the missing, that's what counts.

561
00:33:07,601 --> 00:33:09,641
Speaker 3: There's much going on behind the scenes.

562
00:33:10,241 --> 00:33:12,041
Speaker 6: I just thought i'd give you a little snippet of

563
00:33:12,441 --> 00:33:14,681
Speaker 6: things that we've been working on thus far as a

564
00:33:14,761 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 6: result of our overseas trip, the trip to northern New

565
00:33:18,081 --> 00:33:20,681
Speaker 6: South Wales, and just what we're going to be doing

566
00:33:20,801 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 6: going forward. So in Japan, we're pursuing getting the movement

567
00:33:25,521 --> 00:33:28,561
Speaker 6: records for Marying going in and out of Japan. This

568
00:33:28,761 --> 00:33:32,481
Speaker 6: also includes the South Korean records, because of course it's

569
00:33:32,561 --> 00:33:35,281
Speaker 6: not just the movement into Japan, but if we can

570
00:33:35,361 --> 00:33:38,841
Speaker 6: get the South Korean records, then that would also show

571
00:33:38,961 --> 00:33:43,041
Speaker 6: us with Marian leaving South Korea where her ultimate destination

572
00:33:43,481 --> 00:33:47,561
Speaker 6: was from South Korea. So that is what is happening

573
00:33:47,641 --> 00:33:50,921
Speaker 6: in Japan at the moment. In the UK, we are

574
00:33:51,081 --> 00:33:55,601
Speaker 6: still actively talking with SPINK about offering records to police

575
00:33:55,641 --> 00:33:59,401
Speaker 6: here in Australia if there's anything relevant in that nineteen

576
00:33:59,521 --> 00:34:03,921
Speaker 6: ninety seven time period. Unfortunately with the catalog there was

577
00:34:04,041 --> 00:34:08,721
Speaker 6: no matches, but sales records that's been called would show

578
00:34:08,801 --> 00:34:12,881
Speaker 6: if there was anything relevant purchased over that time Belgium. Look,

579
00:34:12,921 --> 00:34:17,081
Speaker 6: I'm really determined to locate Nicole, who was Rick Bloom's

580
00:34:17,401 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 6: second wife, so I've written actually written letters to all

581
00:34:21,481 --> 00:34:25,681
Speaker 6: the families with the same surname in that area seeking

582
00:34:25,801 --> 00:34:29,161
Speaker 6: help in attempting to locate her. We'll definitely keep you

583
00:34:29,281 --> 00:34:33,601
Speaker 6: posted on that. The KBR are willing to provide information

584
00:34:33,961 --> 00:34:37,081
Speaker 6: to the New South Wales Police. I've also written to

585
00:34:37,161 --> 00:34:42,241
Speaker 6: the family accountant's family members to seek further information, and

586
00:34:42,561 --> 00:34:46,401
Speaker 6: also to the man's family who Blam apparently traveled with

587
00:34:46,681 --> 00:34:50,681
Speaker 6: to the French Riviera in June July nineteen ninety seven,

588
00:34:51,401 --> 00:34:55,201
Speaker 6: just to see whether they be willing to engage about

589
00:34:55,321 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 6: the legitimacy. Just remembering that Rick Blooms stated that Jean

590
00:35:00,601 --> 00:35:04,961
Speaker 6: Pierre Coppernole his cousin, that he went and interacted with him,

591
00:35:05,241 --> 00:35:08,641
Speaker 6: and Jean Pierre actually gave him money to fund the

592
00:35:08,721 --> 00:35:12,841
Speaker 6: trip in nineteen ninety seven. Now Jean Pierre has provided

593
00:35:12,841 --> 00:35:17,681
Speaker 6: a documentation that disapproves this and that has been submitted

594
00:35:17,761 --> 00:35:21,121
Speaker 6: to New South Wales Police in Luxembourg. Tom and I

595
00:35:21,361 --> 00:35:25,841
Speaker 6: continue to work together strongly to push forward that element

596
00:35:25,921 --> 00:35:29,481
Speaker 6: of the story. There is actually a new development there

597
00:35:29,761 --> 00:35:32,321
Speaker 6: and hopefully we will be able to hear you know,

598
00:35:32,441 --> 00:35:34,841
Speaker 6: everyone will be able to hear about this soon. This

599
00:35:35,001 --> 00:35:39,121
Speaker 6: new information does shed light on another aspect of Blum's life.

600
00:35:39,961 --> 00:35:42,641
Speaker 6: There's a few things that I do want to specifically

601
00:35:42,801 --> 00:35:46,801
Speaker 6: call out for, and that was anyone who attended line

602
00:35:46,961 --> 00:35:52,561
Speaker 6: dancing events or classes with the instructor Liz Collette on

603
00:35:52,681 --> 00:35:55,841
Speaker 6: the Gold Coast in the nineteen nineties, I would love

604
00:35:55,961 --> 00:35:58,921
Speaker 6: to hear from you. And also if anyone from the

605
00:35:59,041 --> 00:36:03,881
Speaker 6: Southport school community knew anybody living in Anne or Miles

606
00:36:03,961 --> 00:36:08,921
Speaker 6: Street Marian might have known that's in Ashmore. If you

607
00:36:09,001 --> 00:36:12,081
Speaker 6: can please get in touch with me. I wish to

608
00:36:12,161 --> 00:36:16,401
Speaker 6: assure everybody that we are not going away. We are

609
00:36:16,561 --> 00:36:22,561
Speaker 6: not giving up. Work remains absolutely ongoing. It may run

610
00:36:22,601 --> 00:36:26,041
Speaker 6: a little bit slower these days because I've returned to

611
00:36:26,161 --> 00:36:31,121
Speaker 6: work almost full time, but it remains very active, very

612
00:36:31,241 --> 00:36:35,841
Speaker 6: much alive, very much the front of mind, and we're

613
00:36:35,921 --> 00:36:36,561
Speaker 6: not giving up.

614
00:36:37,561 --> 00:36:39,321
Speaker 3: We just need that one piece.

615
00:36:40,761 --> 00:36:44,161
Speaker 6: This is a massive, huge thanks to everyone who's helped

616
00:36:44,161 --> 00:36:46,801
Speaker 6: along the way. We could not have gotten this far

617
00:36:47,001 --> 00:36:50,361
Speaker 6: without you all. A huge shout out to the Balan,

618
00:36:50,401 --> 00:36:55,201
Speaker 6: a retiree who continues to push and explore in detailed

619
00:36:55,241 --> 00:36:59,601
Speaker 6: areas that need that intense exploration that only he does best.

620
00:37:00,161 --> 00:37:03,401
Speaker 2: So thank you, and thank you to Podshape Productions here

621
00:37:03,441 --> 00:37:07,361
Speaker 2: in Brisbane Jay for you know, supporting me and helping

622
00:37:07,441 --> 00:37:14,401
Speaker 2: me share my mum's story with you all. So what's

623
00:37:14,841 --> 00:37:19,881
Speaker 2: the next phase here in this journey. It's twenty eight

624
00:37:19,961 --> 00:37:25,721
Speaker 2: years mum's been missing and Joanie is still working very

625
00:37:25,801 --> 00:37:30,321
Speaker 2: much behind the scenes. She's still very very busy. She's

626
00:37:30,961 --> 00:37:32,561
Speaker 2: she does a lot of stuff that I don't do,

627
00:37:32,681 --> 00:37:35,361
Speaker 2: so we're not doubling up on things, so Joanie's going

628
00:37:35,441 --> 00:37:40,041
Speaker 2: to be working hard in that background, and I am

629
00:37:40,121 --> 00:37:43,001
Speaker 2: actually going to be working on the side here on

630
00:37:43,081 --> 00:37:46,561
Speaker 2: a few other projects. So most of you following along

631
00:37:46,601 --> 00:37:49,841
Speaker 2: with know we released some tickets on Sunday for a

632
00:37:49,961 --> 00:37:53,121
Speaker 2: memorial high tee that I'm hosting here in Brisbane on

633
00:37:53,201 --> 00:37:57,321
Speaker 2: the twenty eighth of September for my mum. It would

634
00:37:57,321 --> 00:38:01,081
Speaker 2: be her eightieth birthday that week, and I wanted to

635
00:38:01,161 --> 00:38:03,081
Speaker 2: do something. I've never been able to do anything to

636
00:38:03,201 --> 00:38:06,121
Speaker 2: celebrate my mum. It's hard when you don't have a

637
00:38:06,201 --> 00:38:08,601
Speaker 2: body and you don't know what's happened to your missing

638
00:38:08,681 --> 00:38:11,881
Speaker 2: person to be able to decide what are you going

639
00:38:11,961 --> 00:38:14,681
Speaker 2: to do? And I mean I just was watching I

640
00:38:14,721 --> 00:38:19,081
Speaker 2: think it was Insight on SBS and a lady was

641
00:38:19,841 --> 00:38:23,281
Speaker 2: talking about with their family they've got a missing person

642
00:38:23,401 --> 00:38:25,841
Speaker 2: and she was saying, I think she's the auntie and

643
00:38:25,881 --> 00:38:28,721
Speaker 2: she was saying she wanted to suggest it to the

644
00:38:28,841 --> 00:38:31,561
Speaker 2: mother of the missing daughter, you know, what, should we

645
00:38:31,641 --> 00:38:34,041
Speaker 2: do a memorial? And she said, oh, you know, the

646
00:38:34,081 --> 00:38:35,721
Speaker 2: mom doesn't want to do that because she feels like

647
00:38:35,801 --> 00:38:39,201
Speaker 2: she's giving up on her daughter by holding a memorial.

648
00:38:39,281 --> 00:38:43,201
Speaker 2: And it kind of broke my heart because for me,

649
00:38:44,761 --> 00:38:47,161
Speaker 2: I haven't. I've got nowhere to go, I've got nowhere

650
00:38:47,201 --> 00:38:50,041
Speaker 2: to sit and think about my mum. I just don't

651
00:38:50,201 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: know what to do, and I guess I did feel

652
00:38:53,441 --> 00:38:55,361
Speaker 2: a bit like I didn't want to do anything until

653
00:38:55,441 --> 00:38:57,841
Speaker 2: such time as had been to an inquest and the

654
00:38:57,921 --> 00:39:03,041
Speaker 2: coroner had made her decisions and we could grapple with

655
00:39:03,921 --> 00:39:07,281
Speaker 2: what those decisions were and move forward, and I got

656
00:39:07,321 --> 00:39:11,161
Speaker 2: a death certificate. I have a better understanding now, after

657
00:39:11,241 --> 00:39:15,081
Speaker 2: everything I've been through going public and hating to share

658
00:39:15,121 --> 00:39:17,121
Speaker 2: my story with everyone, I have a better understanding now

659
00:39:17,281 --> 00:39:19,601
Speaker 2: of what's happened to my mum than I did say

660
00:39:19,881 --> 00:39:23,001
Speaker 2: seven years ago. And I am really grateful for that

661
00:39:23,401 --> 00:39:26,281
Speaker 2: because there's an element of peace that I can put

662
00:39:26,521 --> 00:39:30,001
Speaker 2: in my heart, and I am at peace with Mum.

663
00:39:30,081 --> 00:39:32,761
Speaker 2: Being a missing person doesn't mean that I don't miss her,

664
00:39:32,961 --> 00:39:35,401
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I don't want to find her, or

665
00:39:35,441 --> 00:39:38,401
Speaker 2: that I don't want to keep pushing for justice to

666
00:39:38,481 --> 00:39:40,801
Speaker 2: be served, because I I one hundred percent you all

667
00:39:40,841 --> 00:39:43,881
Speaker 2: know I will do that. But there's an element of

668
00:39:43,921 --> 00:39:46,321
Speaker 2: peace for me, and I need that so that I

669
00:39:46,401 --> 00:39:49,801
Speaker 2: can actually be a good human and not be stressed

670
00:39:49,961 --> 00:39:53,281
Speaker 2: and not be coping with anxiety all the time and

671
00:39:53,961 --> 00:39:56,281
Speaker 2: worry all the time, and I can just be present

672
00:39:56,601 --> 00:39:59,561
Speaker 2: in my own life and with my children and my

673
00:39:59,681 --> 00:40:03,201
Speaker 2: husband and my friends, and you know it doesn't consume me,

674
00:40:04,241 --> 00:40:06,801
Speaker 2: because it has done that at times, as you can

675
00:40:06,841 --> 00:40:10,801
Speaker 2: probably appreciate. So the memorial high Tea will be a

676
00:40:10,921 --> 00:40:14,481
Speaker 2: wonderful celebration of Mum's life. We're doing a high tea

677
00:40:14,521 --> 00:40:16,881
Speaker 2: because my mum loved to drink tea anybody that knows

678
00:40:16,921 --> 00:40:20,601
Speaker 2: her in the fine bone china cup with lots of yummyfoods,

679
00:40:20,721 --> 00:40:25,041
Speaker 2: so we've got pretty little tea parties is actually helping

680
00:40:25,121 --> 00:40:28,481
Speaker 2: me with all the gorgeous delicacies that we're having.

681
00:40:28,881 --> 00:40:29,961
Speaker 8: Will have champagne.

682
00:40:30,601 --> 00:40:35,001
Speaker 2: We've invited Headley Thomas to come along as our special guest,

683
00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:38,881
Speaker 2: So Headley's coming and I just think it's going to

684
00:40:38,921 --> 00:40:41,721
Speaker 2: be a wonderful day of celebration. Everyone can wear some

685
00:40:42,361 --> 00:40:46,121
Speaker 2: high tea floral afternoon tea party vibes with the touch

686
00:40:46,201 --> 00:40:49,081
Speaker 2: of green, and I think we still have about thirty

687
00:40:49,121 --> 00:40:51,281
Speaker 2: tickets left. So you can jump on our website which

688
00:40:51,321 --> 00:40:55,521
Speaker 2: is www dot the Missingmatter dot com and go to

689
00:40:55,681 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: the link for Marion's High Tea.

690
00:40:57,881 --> 00:40:58,961
Speaker 8: Scroll down you'll see the.

691
00:40:58,961 --> 00:41:02,841
Speaker 2: Tickets available there, and I hope to see everyone there

692
00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:04,041
Speaker 2: who can make it.

693
00:41:05,201 --> 00:41:07,521
Speaker 8: To say a big shout out to Sarah and Julie.

694
00:41:08,241 --> 00:41:11,881
Speaker 2: They have been queens in the background trying to source

695
00:41:12,521 --> 00:41:14,481
Speaker 2: fundraising raffle prizes.

696
00:41:15,081 --> 00:41:16,601
Speaker 8: I couldn't do this without them.

697
00:41:17,681 --> 00:41:20,001
Speaker 2: There is a team sitting behind me who are helping

698
00:41:20,081 --> 00:41:21,561
Speaker 2: me with all of this, and I want to shout

699
00:41:21,561 --> 00:41:24,001
Speaker 2: out to all of them as well. I'm totally toughed

700
00:41:24,041 --> 00:41:25,801
Speaker 2: that so many people want to be there and help

701
00:41:25,841 --> 00:41:29,001
Speaker 2: me celebrate and remember Mum and just give me somewhere

702
00:41:29,281 --> 00:41:32,321
Speaker 2: where I can. I drive past the location where we're

703
00:41:32,361 --> 00:41:34,721
Speaker 2: having the venue for when we're having the high tea

704
00:41:34,801 --> 00:41:36,401
Speaker 2: every day, so I think it's.

705
00:41:36,321 --> 00:41:37,161
Speaker 3: A really pretty place.

706
00:41:37,201 --> 00:41:39,121
Speaker 2: I always look up at it every time I drive past,

707
00:41:39,161 --> 00:41:41,281
Speaker 2: and I think my Mum would really love.

708
00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:43,201
Speaker 8: Love us doing that for her.

709
00:41:44,521 --> 00:41:46,641
Speaker 2: Now, when it comes to the fundraising side of things,

710
00:41:46,841 --> 00:41:48,881
Speaker 2: there's another little project I've got going on in the

711
00:41:49,001 --> 00:41:51,561
Speaker 2: side because I know I just like to give myself

712
00:41:51,601 --> 00:41:54,561
Speaker 2: something else to do. It's called the Green Seat Project,

713
00:41:55,001 --> 00:41:59,841
Speaker 2: and what we're doing is any money's made from the

714
00:41:59,961 --> 00:42:03,961
Speaker 2: fundraising raffle which will be drawn at the event, and

715
00:42:04,201 --> 00:42:08,841
Speaker 2: any donation we manage to get from people will be

716
00:42:08,921 --> 00:42:12,081
Speaker 2: going into the Green Seat project and I'm currently working

717
00:42:12,161 --> 00:42:15,361
Speaker 2: with Brisbane City Council to see if we can get

718
00:42:15,361 --> 00:42:18,361
Speaker 2: approval for these bench seats to go in.

719
00:42:19,081 --> 00:42:23,041
Speaker 8: I'm starting small. I'm starting with one and then we'll

720
00:42:23,081 --> 00:42:23,921
Speaker 8: build on it from there.

721
00:42:24,001 --> 00:42:25,961
Speaker 2: But the idea is it's a green seat, it's in

722
00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:29,521
Speaker 2: a prominent position somewhere in Brisbane. I've sort of nominated

723
00:42:29,601 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: Kangaroo Point Cliffs because there's a beautiful look out there

724
00:42:32,521 --> 00:42:35,161
Speaker 2: looking up the river and for me, I want to

725
00:42:35,241 --> 00:42:37,321
Speaker 2: have somewhere where you can look out because I don't

726
00:42:37,321 --> 00:42:38,761
Speaker 2: know where my mum is, so I want to be

727
00:42:38,801 --> 00:42:42,041
Speaker 2: able to look out to the view and the idea of.

728
00:42:42,081 --> 00:42:43,041
Speaker 8: Thinking about my mum.

729
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:46,361
Speaker 2: And on the chairs, we'll have the Missing Matter written

730
00:42:46,481 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: and there'll be a QR code, and that QR code

731
00:42:49,041 --> 00:42:50,921
Speaker 2: you can scan. It will take you to the website

732
00:42:51,401 --> 00:42:54,001
Speaker 2: and we're going to start building the website, the missingmatter

733
00:42:54,081 --> 00:42:58,881
Speaker 2: dot com, with profiles of missing persons with their photographs

734
00:42:58,961 --> 00:43:01,481
Speaker 2: and a little blob from their families so that when

735
00:43:01,521 --> 00:43:04,321
Speaker 2: people scan it they can actually read stories about people

736
00:43:04,361 --> 00:43:07,601
Speaker 2: who are missing. And this is simply to bring awareness

737
00:43:07,721 --> 00:43:10,561
Speaker 2: to this space because the Missing Matter, as I say,

738
00:43:10,681 --> 00:43:11,881
Speaker 2: and they should not be forgotten.

739
00:43:12,481 --> 00:43:15,801
Speaker 8: So if you would like to donate to this cause,

740
00:43:15,841 --> 00:43:16,561
Speaker 8: please let me know.

741
00:43:16,921 --> 00:43:19,321
Speaker 2: You can reach me via my email which is Sally

742
00:43:19,441 --> 00:43:22,361
Speaker 2: at sally laden dot com, and you can also reach

743
00:43:22,441 --> 00:43:26,881
Speaker 2: me via the website or on my socials. And lastly,

744
00:43:26,961 --> 00:43:29,321
Speaker 2: I have some exciting news to tell you that we

745
00:43:29,481 --> 00:43:33,721
Speaker 2: are going to be continuing the Missing Matter podcast to

746
00:43:33,881 --> 00:43:38,441
Speaker 2: help others in this space. So if I can introduce

747
00:43:38,961 --> 00:43:46,761
Speaker 2: the idea that the TMMT Moving Forward is inviting families

748
00:43:46,841 --> 00:43:51,121
Speaker 2: with missing persons to come on in a special episode

749
00:43:51,841 --> 00:43:56,001
Speaker 2: just about their missing loved one. I figured that we

750
00:43:56,201 --> 00:44:00,081
Speaker 2: have this platform that has been established and I would

751
00:44:00,081 --> 00:44:04,001
Speaker 2: really love the opportunity to help other people who potentially

752
00:44:04,201 --> 00:44:07,201
Speaker 2: haven't had a lot of meat, or people haven't heard

753
00:44:07,241 --> 00:44:10,041
Speaker 2: about their missing person and they might have that key

754
00:44:10,081 --> 00:44:13,481
Speaker 2: piece of information, so super important in my heart that

755
00:44:13,601 --> 00:44:14,801
Speaker 2: we give those people.

756
00:44:14,641 --> 00:44:15,801
Speaker 3: A voice as well.

757
00:44:16,561 --> 00:44:18,881
Speaker 2: So something some of you might not know, but Jay,

758
00:44:19,361 --> 00:44:22,801
Speaker 2: who owns pod Shape, he has a missing person as well.

759
00:44:22,881 --> 00:44:24,041
Speaker 8: His uncle is a missing person.

760
00:44:24,881 --> 00:44:28,681
Speaker 10: The moment we met, and obviously I knew your story

761
00:44:28,881 --> 00:44:32,201
Speaker 10: from the media like most people, I think the moment

762
00:44:32,321 --> 00:44:36,121
Speaker 10: I met you and Chris I thought exactly what most

763
00:44:36,121 --> 00:44:39,841
Speaker 10: people think, like how can I help, which I think

764
00:44:40,041 --> 00:44:44,361
Speaker 10: is where you sit now, right. It's like, your mum's missing,

765
00:44:44,721 --> 00:44:46,921
Speaker 10: you don't have any answers. You want to find the answers,

766
00:44:47,041 --> 00:44:51,201
Speaker 10: but you are living still with this ambiguous loss. So

767
00:44:51,321 --> 00:44:54,041
Speaker 10: when we caught up for the first time, I was like, Okay,

768
00:44:55,281 --> 00:44:58,121
Speaker 10: there's more to this story. And it's not just a

769
00:44:58,201 --> 00:45:04,441
Speaker 10: missing person. It's the story of the loss that everyone suffers.

770
00:45:04,481 --> 00:45:08,561
Speaker 10: And I know that, like you, it wasn't my mum,

771
00:45:08,681 --> 00:45:11,401
Speaker 10: but it was my uncle who went missing. And why

772
00:45:11,441 --> 00:45:13,361
Speaker 10: it was important for me is because I was only

773
00:45:13,481 --> 00:45:16,081
Speaker 10: little when he went missing. I was like four. I

774
00:45:16,121 --> 00:45:20,761
Speaker 10: don't really remember him, but I do remember Mum, and

775
00:45:20,841 --> 00:45:24,321
Speaker 10: I remember how it affected Mum, and then my Grandpap

776
00:45:24,441 --> 00:45:27,641
Speaker 10: how it affected him. Mum said to me when I

777
00:45:27,761 --> 00:45:33,521
Speaker 10: was much older, that she reckons losing her brother and

778
00:45:34,081 --> 00:45:39,241
Speaker 10: her dad. Losing her son ended her dad's life because

779
00:45:39,961 --> 00:45:42,201
Speaker 10: he just was fighting for an answer.

780
00:45:43,161 --> 00:45:46,921
Speaker 2: Just listening to you say that, it's the flow on effect. Right,

781
00:45:47,081 --> 00:45:50,201
Speaker 2: It's not just that someone's missing, but who is that

782
00:45:50,361 --> 00:45:54,281
Speaker 2: missingness touched and who has it affected and how did

783
00:45:54,361 --> 00:45:57,721
Speaker 2: it affect them? It's an important conversation I think to

784
00:45:57,841 --> 00:46:02,881
Speaker 2: have and too often, I guess for me in my situation,

785
00:46:03,841 --> 00:46:06,481
Speaker 2: I remember when the Lady was at its peak and

786
00:46:06,961 --> 00:46:10,161
Speaker 2: it was just everywhere I turned, My mum was everywhere,

787
00:46:10,441 --> 00:46:12,721
Speaker 2: and you know, my kids had to deal with that,

788
00:46:13,041 --> 00:46:14,921
Speaker 2: you know, they had to go to school and UNI

789
00:46:15,041 --> 00:46:17,161
Speaker 2: and people going, oh my god, I didn't realize your

790
00:46:17,161 --> 00:46:19,841
Speaker 2: grandmother is a missing person. So there's been lots of

791
00:46:19,961 --> 00:46:22,921
Speaker 2: challenges which haven't really been exposed or talked about in

792
00:46:23,001 --> 00:46:25,681
Speaker 2: an open public forum. But you know, there is that

793
00:46:26,161 --> 00:46:29,361
Speaker 2: back end that families are coping with. And you know,

794
00:46:29,841 --> 00:46:33,441
Speaker 2: I was just talking with Zee Maya yesterday. Zee and

795
00:46:33,481 --> 00:46:36,721
Speaker 2: I have become friends. You know, I think her and

796
00:46:36,801 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: I from the same ink. You know, it was similar people,

797
00:46:40,841 --> 00:46:43,321
Speaker 2: and we're just keep fighting for the truth and fighting

798
00:46:43,361 --> 00:46:45,601
Speaker 2: for ances. And you know, she was telling me yesterday

799
00:46:45,641 --> 00:46:48,161
Speaker 2: that she hasn't heard from the police who have Warren's

800
00:46:48,201 --> 00:46:53,161
Speaker 2: case for thirteen years. And I mean, my god, what

801
00:46:53,401 --> 00:46:56,361
Speaker 2: is wrong with the world when the people who have

802
00:46:56,441 --> 00:46:59,041
Speaker 2: a missing person are just left there to work it

803
00:46:59,121 --> 00:47:03,241
Speaker 2: out themselves. And I guess if I think back, there

804
00:47:03,321 --> 00:47:05,801
Speaker 2: was a couple of people who came in to MySpace

805
00:47:06,441 --> 00:47:09,961
Speaker 2: when things were up and running with mum's story. Finally,

806
00:47:10,761 --> 00:47:12,801
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, how come your mum gets all the

807
00:47:12,841 --> 00:47:16,201
Speaker 2: media attention? How come your mum's in all the newspapers

808
00:47:16,281 --> 00:47:19,361
Speaker 2: and everyone's talking about Mary and my dad?

809
00:47:19,841 --> 00:47:20,641
Speaker 3: You know, matters he.

810
00:47:20,841 --> 00:47:21,281
Speaker 1: Where is he?

811
00:47:21,561 --> 00:47:21,601
Speaker 15: Like?

812
00:47:21,761 --> 00:47:26,041
Speaker 2: He's not getting any attention. I felt really confronted by that,

813
00:47:26,241 --> 00:47:28,761
Speaker 2: to be honest. So I mean, for me, it had

814
00:47:28,801 --> 00:47:31,881
Speaker 2: taken me twenty two years for anybody to actually listen

815
00:47:32,041 --> 00:47:34,801
Speaker 2: to me in the media to help, Like I'd been

816
00:47:34,881 --> 00:47:37,681
Speaker 2: knocking on doors and asking questions. I also had the

817
00:47:37,801 --> 00:47:40,561
Speaker 2: problem where Mum's family didn't want me to do it,

818
00:47:40,681 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: so they sort of door stopped me, and I felt

819
00:47:43,841 --> 00:47:45,681
Speaker 2: I was doing the wrong thing if I did that,

820
00:47:46,201 --> 00:47:48,521
Speaker 2: and I had to really just put myself in a

821
00:47:48,601 --> 00:47:50,721
Speaker 2: box and go just I don't want to do anything

822
00:47:50,801 --> 00:47:53,761
Speaker 2: while my grandmother was still alive because I didn't want

823
00:47:53,761 --> 00:47:55,361
Speaker 2: to hurt her. I didn't want to upset her, and

824
00:47:55,481 --> 00:47:58,401
Speaker 2: she was living by herself in her nineties, and so

825
00:47:58,481 --> 00:48:00,361
Speaker 2: it wasn't until after she passed away that I actually

826
00:48:00,441 --> 00:48:04,281
Speaker 2: started going down that route. I just really want to help,

827
00:48:04,721 --> 00:48:07,201
Speaker 2: like this, it's not just about my mum. My mum

828
00:48:07,321 --> 00:48:10,241
Speaker 2: is one of many who are missing in this universe.

829
00:48:10,361 --> 00:48:12,561
Speaker 2: And you know, I think they all deserve a voice,

830
00:48:12,561 --> 00:48:15,561
Speaker 2: and they all deserve to be heard, and the families

831
00:48:16,001 --> 00:48:20,841
Speaker 2: deserve to have an opportunity to share their story, not

832
00:48:21,041 --> 00:48:23,441
Speaker 2: for you know, three minutes or one minute on a

833
00:48:23,561 --> 00:48:27,841
Speaker 2: TV show amongst many give them a platform to actually

834
00:48:27,921 --> 00:48:28,081
Speaker 2: do it.

835
00:48:28,441 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 10: The new show, it's called The Missing Matter. Still it's

836
00:48:31,441 --> 00:48:33,281
Speaker 10: going to be in this feed, but it's going to

837
00:48:33,281 --> 00:48:34,121
Speaker 10: be a weekly show.

838
00:48:34,481 --> 00:48:37,881
Speaker 2: Well, yes, in between me working full time, as Jaye's

839
00:48:37,921 --> 00:48:40,361
Speaker 2: laughing at me, I am going to do my absolute

840
00:48:40,441 --> 00:48:44,561
Speaker 2: best to I'll hold you account script and put it

841
00:48:45,041 --> 00:48:51,241
Speaker 2: a really good quality podcast together for people with absolute

842
00:48:51,281 --> 00:48:55,041
Speaker 2: respect and understanding and empathy for what we're telling, because

843
00:48:55,401 --> 00:48:57,881
Speaker 2: I think that's really important too. We've got to remember,

844
00:48:57,921 --> 00:49:00,361
Speaker 2: these people tell their stories and then they go back

845
00:49:00,761 --> 00:49:05,201
Speaker 2: home to their reality of they still don't know where

846
00:49:05,201 --> 00:49:08,201
Speaker 2: their missing person is. So I'm really hoping that we

847
00:49:08,281 --> 00:49:11,281
Speaker 2: can shine some light on a different audience for the people,

848
00:49:11,441 --> 00:49:12,881
Speaker 2: like some of the people who have actually worked really

849
00:49:12,921 --> 00:49:15,281
Speaker 2: hard and they do have quite good audiences who are

850
00:49:15,321 --> 00:49:18,241
Speaker 2: listening and following along, but that might be in Tasmania.

851
00:49:18,921 --> 00:49:24,321
Speaker 2: So let's open that up to helping spread the word everywhere, don't.

852
00:49:24,361 --> 00:49:26,761
Speaker 2: There's no limits as to who can hear it, and

853
00:49:26,921 --> 00:49:30,081
Speaker 2: someone might just know or have seen something or can

854
00:49:30,281 --> 00:49:32,921
Speaker 2: offer some assistance. The way I'd like to see it

855
00:49:33,001 --> 00:49:36,121
Speaker 2: happen is the episodes we've just been doing for Mum

856
00:49:36,321 --> 00:49:39,081
Speaker 2: was the Missing Matter, Marian matters. This will now become

857
00:49:39,321 --> 00:49:43,721
Speaker 2: the Missing Matter, Warren Matters, Jawn Jasper.

858
00:49:43,961 --> 00:49:47,921
Speaker 8: Matters, and I think it's important that we bring them into.

859
00:49:47,801 --> 00:49:49,161
Speaker 3: This space and help them where we can.

860
00:49:49,721 --> 00:49:53,161
Speaker 6: I'm wishing Seal every success in the next iteration of

861
00:49:53,241 --> 00:49:58,521
Speaker 6: the Missing Matter podcast. It's a totally exciting space, and I,

862
00:49:58,721 --> 00:50:01,481
Speaker 6: for one, will be listening keenly as the new episodes

863
00:50:01,521 --> 00:50:02,081
Speaker 6: are released.