1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,479 Speaker 1: On Scars Oscodia. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: This is the Reader Panecky Show. 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Reader Paney Show. 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 4: Coming up on tonight's program, the Victorian justice system under 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 4: renewed scrutiny with manifestly in adequate sentences for violent offenders. 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 4: Environed Minister Chris Bowen said to attend COP twenty nine 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 4: with the likes of the Taliban as President Joe Biden 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 4: and the leaders of a number of European countries hit 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 4: the Greenee talk Fest, joining me surely to discuss that 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 4: is Professor Ian Pimer. We also have Patrick Carline and 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 4: the man who predicted Donald Trump would win every single 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: swing stake, Josh Hammer, joins me shortly, and later in 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 4: the hour, Doctor Max abrams on Europe's imported extremism problem, 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 4: and we never forget left. 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: He's losing it. 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 5: Being skinny, being in all the things that the patriarchy 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 5: wants us to be, because clearly they. 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: Don't give it about us. 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 6: And I'm talking to you too, those of you leadies 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 6: who have the internalized misogyny required. 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: To do what he did. 22 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 4: But first, Kevin Rudd's role as Australia's ambassador to the 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 4: US is looking increasingly untenable, and as is often the 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: case with Kevin, this is entirely self inflicted. Let's listen 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 4: to just some of what he has had to say 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 4: about President Donald Trump. 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 7: The United States in the last four years has been 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 7: run by a village idiots. People have seen China continued 29 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 7: continuing to be competent and international state craft and the 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 7: United States increasingly incompetent and international state craft under Trump. 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 8: But the underpinnings of it was still incoherent because Trump 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 8: himself was incoherent, and he waxed and wane from being 33 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 8: in love with dictators to not knowing what he wanted 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 8: from dictators. 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: And it's not just Kevin Rudd. 36 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: Have a look at what some senior ministers in the 37 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: Albanese government have had to say over the years. Tanya 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 4: Plibersek has said that a Trump presidency would be dangerous. 39 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 4: Bill Shorten, who was the Labor leader at the time, 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: said Trump was barking mad and was entirely unsuitable to 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 4: be president, and Anthony Albanzi himself has said that Trump 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 4: scares the shi t out of him. Joining me now 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: for more on This is News Corps Senior writer and 44 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 4: columnist Patrick Carly and Patrick. The Trump derangement syndrome is 45 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: certainly evident in the Australian media. Sadly we expect to 46 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 4: see that, but it's damaging for the country when it's 47 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: apparent in the Albanese government. This is the leader of 48 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: the free world we're talking about. 49 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 9: Well, that's right, and it's such a distraction. That's just 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 9: another distraction for Anthony Alberanisi. I'd go back to twenty 51 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 9: twenty two. Kevin rather had made those comments. There might 52 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 9: be more comments, It might get worse for all we know. 53 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 9: While was he appointed to a US ambassador at that 54 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 9: point in the knowledge Donald Trump is going to have 55 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 9: a really big crack of being president again. And once 56 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 9: he's there, it sort of makes it untenable, doesn't it. 57 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: I mean, Kevin Rudd represents our national interest. 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 9: How can he prosecute that when he's been so so 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 9: critical of the bo running America and. 60 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 4: Donald Trump cares about that. He's not the sort of 61 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 4: person to forgive and forget. The only chance Kevin Rudd 62 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 4: has of remaining in that role and actually serving Australia's 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 4: interests is to apologize, to apologize profusely, and to do 64 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: it publicly. He needs to have a bit of humility 65 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 4: and do that for the greater good, do that for 66 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: the country. 67 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: If he wants to serve that. 68 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 4: Role, just simply deleting his tweets and deleting posts is made? 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: Are we kidding? 70 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: Rather? Unedifying? Was made? It all go away, didn't it? 71 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 9: But as I said, look as a journalist, So I'm 72 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 9: cure are there more sort of outpourings of Kevin Rudd's 73 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 9: true opinion? 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: No doubt he loves nothing more than to pontificate and 75 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: what he needs to do. 76 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: Now is to grovel. It's the time is to grovel. 77 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 4: To get the forgiveness and then perhaps you can serve 78 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: that role and actually serve Australia's interests. Now to New 79 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 4: South Wales and the Police Association there has negotiated a 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: landmark pay deal for police officers, delivering pay increases of 81 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 4: between twenty two and almost forty percent thirty nine point 82 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 4: four percent across the entire force, resulting in some offices 83 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: earning up to forty seven thousand dollars extra a year. 84 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: The wage agreement averages out to a nineteen percent increase 85 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 4: over four years. How can New South Wales afford this. 86 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 4: I'm not saying the police officers don't deserve this, but 87 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: we know Victoria police officer one more money every state 88 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: force would and this is a significant jump. 89 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: It's massive money, isn't it. 90 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 9: And look, I think it puts the pressure on Victoria 91 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 9: and the other police forces to actually try and match it. 92 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 9: And we're talking during your time of high inflation. These 93 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 9: are massive numbers. Now what I would like to see, 94 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 9: I mean, I respect what police officers do. They risk 95 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 9: their lives sometimes on a daily basis. I'd like to 96 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 9: see maybe those frontline officers being rewarded handsomely because police 97 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 9: departments are bureaucracies, but we need the officers on the 98 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 9: front line where every state is always talking about we 99 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 9: need more officers on the ground. Why aren't there the 100 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 9: massive pay increases for those officers. 101 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: And forget about the bureaucracy. 102 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: Perhaps cut back because the bureaucracy is growing at a 103 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: speed that I think is not sustainable or even desirable. 104 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 4: Now to the ironically named Victorian justice system, the questions 105 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 4: have been raised over how killer Henry Hammond was able 106 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: to obtain taxpayer funded lawyers and legal help from taxpayer 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 4: funded legal aid to bring a suppression bid before the 108 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: Supreme Court to ban media outlets from reporting information about 109 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 4: him and what he's doing in the future. Victims Grieving 110 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 4: father John Heron had this to say. 111 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: He said, I feel like the. 112 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: Rest of the Victorian community would feel this is an 113 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: outrage that this is occurring. To use a taxpayer to 114 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 4: fund that, you've got legal aid facilitating a killer's suppression 115 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 4: application with complete disregard to the victims. He has an 116 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 4: excellent point there, and this is a reoccurring event with 117 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: a Victorian justice system. 118 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: Every single week. 119 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 4: There's just multiple cases where you look at the details 120 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: and wander, how could this happen? 121 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 9: What sort of got to the point? Hasn't it where 122 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 9: the defendants right trump the victims right? I mean I've 123 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 9: never heard I've never met a defendant who wanted the 124 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 9: public to hear about their alleged crimes. Of course, in 125 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 9: his new age in enlightenment, if you like, they'll play 126 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 9: the mental health card, they'll play the depression card, and 127 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 9: it does come at the cost of poor people like 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 9: John Heron, who makes a very good point. I mean, 129 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 9: these suppression orders, I'm aware of cases that we can't 130 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 9: talk about that are hugely in the public interests that 131 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 9: just cannot be discussed at the moment. 132 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: Were Victoria is the suppression capital. 133 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: It is, and it has swung way too far. 134 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 4: And when you read about this case, you can kind 135 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 4: of understand why the killer perhaps doesn't want his activities 136 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: reported on because from what I understand, he was expected 137 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 4: to be in a mental health facility for twenty to 138 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: twenty plus years and just after a few short years 139 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: he's spotted at a restaurant. So I don't know if 140 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 4: he's receiving day release or what the situation is there, 141 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: but I think the community is right to be questioning 142 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: what is happening. And this is another example of how 143 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 4: broken the legal system is in Victoria. Twenty four year 144 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: old Ja jng Lin, a Chinese national studying in Australia, 145 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: received a sentence of just a nine year minimum for 146 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: robbing and killing to women to sex workers. He was 147 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: originally charged with two counts of murder that was reduced 148 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 4: to manslaughter after he accepted a plea deal. Last JULYA Patrick, 149 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: we talk a lot about violence against women. Where are 150 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 4: the activists? Where are the activists about these manifestly inadequate sentences. 151 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: About these selft judges. 152 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 4: I see them more energized about greater Western Sydney getting 153 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 4: up to risk ay skits on their mad Monday or 154 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: wacky Wednesday than. 155 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: They do about this. 156 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: This is two women's lives, and from what I understand, 157 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 4: they were murdered so they could be robbed. 158 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: That's right. 159 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 9: Both killings were unprovoked. He stole from them, he showed 160 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 9: no remorse, and the judge said all that in the 161 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 9: sentence and then gave him seven years or nine years. 162 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 9: And it does if you've got sources talking to this 163 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 9: saying are some victims laws worth more than other victim's laws? 164 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 9: And it's a very fair question given this sentence is dreadful. 165 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 4: Talking about less than five years per life taken. 166 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: And that's a public safety issue too. I mean, this 167 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: bloke's going to be out. 168 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 4: Well, hopefully it'll be deported, but yeah, and then we're 169 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 4: the women of China will have to deal with him. 170 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: Patrick Carlin, thanks for your time tonight. 171 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: Thanks very Joining me now is leading geologist and author 172 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 4: professor Ian Plymer, Professor, Let's talk about Donald Trump. What 173 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: does a second Trump term with a focus on energy 174 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 4: security and drill Baby, Drill, mean for Australia, Well, it means. 175 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 10: The American economy will boom and if Australia doesn't follow suit. 176 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 11: We're going to be lagging behind. 177 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 10: Plenty of gas, we have plenty of coal, We've got 178 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 10: plenty of uranium. We just have to wake up to 179 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 10: ourselves and use the energy which this country has. 180 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 11: Now. 181 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 10: America has a huge amount of coal, a huge amount 182 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 10: of oil, a huge amount of gas, and they're in 183 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 10: a drill and they're going to use it and they're 184 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 10: going to knock down in place. 185 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 11: They're going to strengthen the country. And trumped it before, 186 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 11: he'll do it again. 187 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 4: Can Australia just it's a mission targets to remain competitive 188 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 4: with America. Is Cris Bowen capable of changing course? He 189 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 4: had this to say to The Guardian just a few 190 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 4: days ago. He said, report after report, temperature records tumbling, 191 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 4: Natural disasters increasingly unnatural. That's why we keep going. That's 192 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 4: what drives me. It gets me out of bed every day. 193 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 4: So perhaps alarmed is the wrong word. Disturbed maybe, but 194 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 4: you know, not surprised. He sounds like a climate catash strophist. 195 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: Professor. I don't think he's capable of changing course. 196 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 10: Well, I think he should stay in bed, and when 197 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 10: he's in bed, he should read a. 198 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 11: Little bit about the history of the planet. So we've 199 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 11: had great cycles of cooling and warming. 200 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 10: He should stay in bed, read something about the history 201 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 10: of the planet, and then he might learn that he's 202 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 10: absolutely totally on the completely wrong path. 203 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 11: Now, if he goes down. 204 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 12: The next zero path, what we're going to do is 205 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 12: to make ourselves totally and absolutely uncompetitive with the US 206 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 12: because our energy costs are just so high that we 207 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 12: won't be able to compete. 208 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 11: So if he wants to send this company bankrupt, then 209 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 11: probably the best thing to do is to stay in 210 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 11: bed and go back to sleep and do nothing. 211 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: Well, we know he's going to be at COP twenty 212 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 4: nine at the climate conference. 213 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 13: There. 214 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 4: Let's have a look at the guest list. President Joe Biden, 215 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 4: he's not going to be there. Representatives are from the 216 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 4: European Union. There's quite a few of them skipping the event. 217 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 4: But Chris Bowen will be there, we're told, Matt Kean 218 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 4: will be there, and Taliban will be there, the terrorist 219 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 4: organization the Taliban will be there to pontificate about climate 220 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 4: change and renewable energy. 221 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: What can we expect from COP twenty nine. 222 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 11: And what group the misfits. Trump has changed the whole 223 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 11: surface of the planet in the way we look at energy. 224 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 10: He's changed everything, and this time it will stick because 225 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 10: the administration after him will inherit a very very strong US. 226 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 10: So I think it's an appalling waste of Australia's money 227 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 10: to send people over there. The only concession would be 228 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 10: if we give them a one way ticket. 229 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 4: That I'm all for. I'm happy to do a GoFundMe 230 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 4: on that. Today Donald Trump is Appointedly Zeblin to lead 231 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 4: the Environmental Detection Agency over there the EPA. In a 232 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: statement of the New York Posts, Edeland said, I'm deeply 233 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: honored to have been asked by President Trump to serve 234 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 4: in his cabinet. As EPA administrator, we will restore American 235 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 4: energy dominance, revitalize our auto industry to bring back American jobs, 236 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: and slash the red tape holding back American workers from 237 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 4: upward economic mobility. The Trump administration in is likely to 238 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 4: roll back a whole host of green schemes imposed by 239 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 4: the Biden administration. We've already seen the share market surge 240 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 4: after Trump's emphatic win. It looks like it's going to 241 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: be a time of economic prosperity in the US. 242 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: Well, it certainly does. 243 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 11: And their problems in the US are very similar to 244 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 11: the ones. 245 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: We have here. 246 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 11: We have an army of bureaucrats who are. 247 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 10: Stopping productivity, and this productivity long gems the whole economy. 248 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 10: And a lot of that loss of productivity is the 249 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 10: red tape, the Green tape, the black tape, and also 250 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 10: some of the blue tape from. 251 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 11: The UN and that stops us being a productive country. 252 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 14: Now, the EPA is one of the biggest killers of 253 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 14: productivity in this country. 254 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 10: We have been going down in productivity in this country. 255 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 10: We are using resources and not replacing. 256 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 11: Them because of some of our environmental activists. Trump has realized. 257 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 14: That it's about time people in this country realized that 258 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 14: there is a balance between the environment and between a 259 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 14: vibrant economy. Now blind fready can see that flattening rainforests, 260 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 14: killing off. 261 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 10: All wonderful good pastoral land, killing off agricultural land to 262 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 10: put in solar complexes and wind complexes is not environmental. 263 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 10: We are killing Australian animals, we are killing indigenous vegetation, 264 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 10: We are wiping out huge amounts of land which farmers 265 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 10: and miners and foresters wouldn't be allowed to do. So 266 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 10: there has to be a we have to bring it 267 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 10: to the point where we can have jobs, where we 268 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 10: can have production, where we can have cheap electricity, and 269 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 10: where we are not destroying the environment. And that's what 270 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 10: our environmental movement he was doing. We are destroying the environment. 271 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 4: Let's hope sanity prevails, Professor im Plyma, thank you. 272 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: For your time this evening. Joining me now is Newsweek's senior. 273 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: Editor at Large and Article three Projects Senior Council Josh Hammer. 274 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: Josh Joe Biden will be hosting President elect Donald Trump 275 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: on Wednesday. The man he called a fascist, a white supremacist, 276 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: a threat to democracy. 277 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: How's that meeting going to go? 278 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 15: You know, Rita. 279 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 16: If half the people that have been calling Donald Trump 280 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 16: a Hitler, a fascist, a unique historical threat to American 281 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 16: democracy or constitutional order, if half these people took themselves seriously, 282 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 16: they would have already bought plane tickets out of the country. 283 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 15: I mean, either the man is Hitler, either he is 284 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 15: a Nazi, or he is not. 285 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 16: If you believe what you've been saying, even to the 286 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 16: slightest degree you would have been seeking asylum. You'd have 287 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 16: been trying to fleet at Canada. The bare minimum, the 288 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 16: longest border in the world, the US Canadian border. I mean, 289 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 16: these people just cannot be They cannot be taken seriously. 290 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 16: I mean Joe Biden, when you know his meeting with 291 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 16: Donald Trump, I mean, Joe Biden has been saying that 292 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 16: Donald Trump is hitler. 293 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 15: So is Kamala Harris there. 294 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 16: But Joe Biden, as we just saw in that clip, 295 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 16: is also not a particularly well mad and he cannot 296 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 16: finish it cohere in sentence at this point there. So 297 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 16: at this point, I'm just hoping that this meeting somehow 298 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 16: goes off where they can actually physically communicate to another. 299 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 16: I mean, that is actually the barest of bare minimums, 300 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 16: is that he can actually complete sentences in the English 301 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 16: language and they can have a conversation. Now, the good 302 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 16: thing about Donald Trump, as you know, is that Donald 303 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 16: Trump has been president before. He literally has already done 304 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 16: this for four years. So he probably doesn't need the 305 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 16: whole tutorial, the whole learning curve. He's been there, done that. 306 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 16: He is sat at the resolute desk. He has been there, 307 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 16: but for so Look, I mean, this transition period is 308 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 16: off to a blistering star of the nominees, the personnel 309 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 16: were being named on the day and day about there. 310 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 16: It's basically going to be an all out sprint at 311 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 16: this point until January twenty or twenty twenty five, when 312 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 16: Donald Trump, god willing finally takes power and Joe Biden 313 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 16: has seen the ashtube of history. 314 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: Now, what do you make of the theory that Joe 315 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 4: Biden got his revenge on the Obama Pelosi led coup 316 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 4: against him by endorsing Kamala Harris, a candidate they didn't want, 317 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 4: a candidate that BARACKO Obama didn't want. 318 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 3: Did Joe know that she had no chance of winning? 319 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 4: And by endorsing her he kind of forced everybody else's hand. 320 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 16: You know, I don't think that Joe Biden knows what 321 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 16: he's doing. I mean, not to put too fine a 322 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 16: point on it, but I genuinely do not think that 323 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 16: he is fully in control of either his physical or 324 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 16: his mental faculties at this point here. I mean, anything 325 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 16: that Joe Biden does, I guess what I'm saying is 326 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 16: it's not actually coming from Joe Biden. It's coming from 327 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 16: quote unquote doctor Joe Biden is coming. It's coming from 328 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 16: people around him. 329 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 15: There. 330 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 16: Joe Biden is not calling the shots at this particular 331 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 16: point there. I mean the funniest thing to me that 332 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 16: I have seen since last Tuesday's election. There is a 333 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 16: lot of funny stuff out there. I mean the view 334 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 16: the left wing media, they're having conniption fits. Sonny Hosts 335 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 16: on the View is routinely just saying that the only 336 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 16: reason Kamala Harris lost because of rampant, ubiquitous sexism and 337 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 16: massagying in America. I mean, way to actually miss what's 338 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 16: happening right under your nose. But one of the funniest 339 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 16: things of this post election fall out to me is 340 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 16: the way that the Biden camp and the Harris camp 341 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 16: just continue to snipe at each other as if they 342 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 16: are the problem. Let me be very clear in my opinion, 343 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 16: Joe Biden is not the reason the Democrats lost. Kamala 344 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 16: Harris is not the reason the Democrats lost. The reason 345 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 16: the Democrats loss is the Democrats is for the actual 346 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 16: stances they have taken, for the actual completely radical, out 347 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 16: of touch nature of the various positions they have taken 348 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 16: when it comes to gender to race, the immigration, to culture, 349 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 16: to economics, the foreign polsitive, you name it. They are 350 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 16: completely out of touch with the Median American. And unless 351 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 16: then tell they actually have the introspective moment where they 352 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 16: look in the mirror and they actually realize that Unless 353 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 16: until that happens, I have the Republicans are well set 354 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 16: to continue winning well into the future. 355 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 4: At this point, Well, that analysis has been just so 356 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 4: completely divorced from reality. If they don't actually figure it out, 357 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 4: we're going to see a dynasty of Republicans in the 358 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: White House because they seem to be doubling down the 359 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 4: Democrats on the craziness, the identity politics, the victimhood, all 360 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 4: the dogmas that have really crippled them as a party 361 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 4: and alienated them from so much of their supporter base. 362 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: I want to play you a. 363 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 4: Clip from Megan Kelly, a woman who has had clashes 364 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 4: with Donald Trump in the past, but she was a 365 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: very strong supporter for him in twenty twenty four, and 366 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 4: here she explains why the Democrats and the miserable cat 367 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 4: lady ideology lost. 368 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 13: Standing up for female empowerment, which I've done my entire life, 369 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 13: does not require me to such all over American men. 370 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 13: I'm sorry, but this is why I never called myself 371 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 13: a feminist to begin with, because I knew, I knew 372 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 13: what you left a spot of feminism. It meant abortion 373 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 13: and crapping on men. And most of us women over 374 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 13: on the side of the normies. 375 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: Don't want that. 376 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 13: We love our husband, we love our boys, our sons, 377 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 13: our dads, our brothers, our male friends and colleagues, and 378 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 13: we are not ready to consider this a zero sum 379 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 13: game where we must advance at their expense. Until you 380 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 13: get that through your thick head, you'll keep losing. 381 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: God, I love her. She makes some excellent points there. 382 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: The Democrats would do well. 383 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 4: To listen to the likes of Meg and Kelly instead 384 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 4: of the Lady of the view all the and miss 385 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: NBAC crises, because if they actually listen to that, they 386 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 4: could address it and be competitive next time. 387 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 16: Yeah, Rita, they could, but they will choose not to 388 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 16: do so, and I think that they have a very 389 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 16: concerted reason why they are choosing not to use it. 390 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 16: I mean, look, one of two things has to be 391 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 16: true when it comes to this post mortem analysis. And 392 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 16: if you can even call that that, Democrats are very 393 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 16: publicly engaging in on the one hand, they're actually really stupid. 394 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 16: I mean, like, one possibility is that they're genuinely operating 395 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 16: at a low IQ level. I don't actually believe that 396 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 16: to be the case. I genuinely actually do not think 397 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 16: that is true. So that raises the alternative possibility as 398 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 16: to what actually is going on here. 399 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 15: And when I was discussing with some others here earlier. 400 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 16: Today, I'm actually on the road to speak to some 401 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 16: college and law school students. 402 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 15: So what I was discussing earlier to say, what. 403 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 16: Some college students that I'm speaking to is what I 404 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 16: think is happening. The Democrats has to become so convinced 405 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 16: over the course of fifteen twenty thirty years, especially since 406 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 16: Barack Obama two, they become so convinced of their own 407 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 16: moral and ethical and indeed intellectual superiority. They are so 408 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 16: convinced that they are actually better than the rest of 409 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 16: America flyover country, the people who live closer to a 410 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 16: river valley in America rather than the two coasts, and 411 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 16: people like that. They think that their values are better, 412 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 16: They think that their way of life is better. Their 413 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 16: approach to everything from religion to economics, to transgender to 414 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 16: immigration to race. They are so convinced that they are 415 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 16: superior that therefore, the only possible explanation as to how 416 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 16: the political party that ostensibly embodies and exudes this great 417 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 16: virtuous movement, the only reason why could possibly lose under 418 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 16: this ridiculous analysis is that half the country is actually racist. 419 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 15: Sex is big at homophobe. That is actually I think. 420 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 16: What you're seeing out there, Magan Kelly is obviously spot on. 421 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 16: She's one of our most astute observers of the American 422 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 16: political scene today. She's actually giving a very free bit 423 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 16: of advice here to a political party that is not 424 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 16: her own. They will be very wise to take it, 425 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 16: but they're probably not going. 426 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 10: To do so. 427 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 3: Well. 428 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: I think you've been too quick to discount the low 429 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 4: IQ explanation. I think that may be at play as well. 430 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 4: You wrote a fantastic piece about the end of obama Ism. 431 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 4: It's hard to say for Newsweek that piece is being 432 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 4: shared widely. The American people have definitely rejected that agenda. 433 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 4: They're backing Trump's mega movement. What will be the impact 434 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: on Barack Obama's legacy here and what do you see 435 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 4: not just for the next four years of Trump's second term. 436 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 3: But beyond that, you know, this is. 437 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 16: One of the most important questions that I don't think 438 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 16: we know the answers to you. And in fact, my 439 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 16: father in law just asking this question the other day 440 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 16: and they wasn't sure how to answer him either. Look, 441 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 16: if Democrats are actually going to be intellectually honest, that 442 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 16: they're actually going to a with the correct conclusions as 443 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 16: to what went so catastrophically wrong in this particular election cycle, 444 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 16: then they're going to realize that the Barack Obama coalition 445 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 16: is over. That the one time coalition of the Assentence, 446 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 16: as was commonly referred to, has actually now descended into 447 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 16: utter ruination and decay and decline, and it's just totally 448 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 16: in completely collapsed. And this is a coalition that was 449 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 16: formed based on all the intersexual constituent parts of America. 450 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 16: You had blackens and Hispanics and immigrants and young people 451 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 16: and this and that, and it's all done. I mean, 452 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 16: Donald Trump has shattered that coalition. So it logically follows 453 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 16: that Democrats are actually going to soberly realize that that 454 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 16: the guy who put his entire legacy on the line 455 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 16: yet again in Barack Obama, which he did this cycle, 456 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 16: he spoke with the DNC in Chicago, he was all 457 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 16: over the campaign trail for Kamala Harrison, Tim Wallas in 458 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 16: those final moments, he really put his entire two term 459 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 16: legacy on the line for this miserable, awful ticket, and 460 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 16: he lost big time. So if you combine the fact 461 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 16: that the ticket actually lost and then Barack Obama's signature 462 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 16: coalition loss, he should be gone. I mean, he should 463 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 16: be out of public light. He should be relegated to 464 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 16: Martha's vineyard, go host some fancy cocktail parties for your 465 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 16: elite crowd whatever there. 466 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 15: That is what should happen. 467 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 16: But again, to circle back to what we're saying a 468 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 16: few minutes ago, I don't think that's going to happen 469 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 16: because I don't think that they're actually going to arrive 470 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 16: at any of the correct conclusions. So I seriously think, 471 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 16: rita that four years from now, in twenty twenty eight, 472 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 16: when JD. Vance will probably be elected the next president 473 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 16: of the United States, I think four years from now, 474 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 16: in twenty twenty eight, Democrats are just going to run 475 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 16: this same playbook all over again. I don't think it's 476 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 16: actually going to work any better. Four years from now 477 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 16: than it did this like, and we're. 478 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 4: Going to have the same posters telling us how close 479 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 4: it is, and they'll be terribly wrong again because they 480 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: are sampling the wrong people. You've been busy this Wegg. 481 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 4: You've written about six paces. I don't know where you 482 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 4: find the time to sleep. But one of those pieces 483 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 4: was for the New York Post about what Trump hopes 484 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 4: to achieve in his first high hundred days in office 485 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: for his second term. We know he's all about America first, 486 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 4: that's the agenda, But what do you expect to say 487 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: in terms of the war in Ukraine and the war 488 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 4: between Hamas and Israel. 489 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 16: Well, from foreign policy respective, I think Donald Trump is 490 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 16: going to prioritize finding an off bremp for both Blaimir 491 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 16: Lensky and Vlamir Putin when it comes to the Russi 492 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 16: Ukraine world. Look, he has sent in the past that 493 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 16: he is going to get this deal done in one day. 494 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 16: I'm not entirely sure that that is going to happen, 495 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 16: but I think it actually is going to happen sooner 496 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 16: rather than later. The difference between Donald Trump and Western 497 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 16: leaders real large when it comes to the Rushi Ukraine conflict. 498 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 16: Is that Donald Trump is a businessman, understands a certain 499 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 16: thing called a leverage, and he understands that when you 500 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 16: incentivize Vlaimir Lensky and you communicate to him that the 501 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 16: entire West is going to arm Ukraine to the brink 502 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 16: unless until they recover every single square inch of territory, 503 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 16: that's not exactly sending the right incentives to wind down 504 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 16: this conflict. 505 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 15: But Donald Trump is a pragmatist, are reveal us. 506 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 16: I think he's going to find a way to get 507 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 16: an end to this conflict sooner rather than later, probably 508 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 16: in the first one hundred to two hundred days at 509 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 16: the absolute most, possibly even sooner than that when it 510 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 16: comes to an off ramp that can be ultimately taken 511 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 16: back to be politically palatable for both Putin ands lens 512 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 16: When it comes to the conflict in Israel, I think 513 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 16: Donald Trump is basically just going to tell Bibi Natanyahu 514 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 16: do what has to be done to wrap this thing 515 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 16: up sooner rather than later. When it comes to both 516 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 16: Hamas and Gaza, as well as Hasbala and Lebanon, the 517 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 16: Iranian piece, the puzzle is a little bit more complicated. 518 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 16: Of course, that's not going to happen overnight there. But 519 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 16: all indications that I've seen thus far are that Donald 520 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 16: Trump is going to put back into place all of 521 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 16: the maximum pressure campaign tactics that he had against the 522 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 16: Iranian regime the first time, including the sanctions on oil exports. Really, 523 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 16: it's the lapse of those sanctions that the Bien harris 524 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 16: manstrration has put into place that have funded the regime 525 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 16: that have led them to sow the seeds of Jihada's 526 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 16: chaos throughout the region these past four years. I think 527 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 16: we're going to see a very similar iron policy that 528 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 16: Donald Trump had the first time around, and that was 529 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 16: a very good policy, so I hope it to be 530 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 16: the case as well. 531 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 4: Now, before you go, I mentioned at the top of 532 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 4: the show that you predicted Donald Trump would win every 533 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 4: single swing state. I don't think anybody else was that 534 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 4: confident about that, and you said it was not going 535 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 4: to be close. Ignore the polls, it was going to 536 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: be a landslide. You were right about that, and he'd 537 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 4: been saying it for some time. So the question is 538 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 4: why were the Polsters, the overwhelming majority of them, so wrong? 539 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: How do they keep getting it wrong? How do are 540 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 4: they not losing all credibility. We had one polster suggests 541 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 4: that Iowa was up for grabs for the Democrats and 542 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 4: Trump ended up winning it by thirteen fourteen percent. 543 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 15: Yeah. 544 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 16: And by the way, that polster in Iowa, her name 545 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 16: is Anne Seltzer. She's the chief polster for the Des 546 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 16: Moines Register, of the biggest newspaper in Iowa. You know, 547 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 16: she's considered actually to be the gold standard of Iowa pulsters. 548 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 16: In fact, in the first in the nation Iowa Caucuses, 549 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 16: it's the final end Seltzer poll that traditionally has been 550 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 16: loooked to as an actual projection. So you know, even 551 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 16: the posters here in America that are considered to be 552 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 16: the best of the best. The point that I'm making 553 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 16: have been just totally watching the Trump phenomenon frankly since 554 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 16: the get go, and I actually think read and the 555 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 16: reason that I was able to predict, I think the 556 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 16: fact that Donald Trump would sweep all seven of the 557 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 16: swing states across the sun Belt in the Gray Lakes area. 558 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 16: The reason it's fairly simple and its structural and methodological 559 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 16: is that the polsters bus Bar have still not found 560 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 16: a way to tap into the low propensity Trump port. 561 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 3: Josh Hamma, thanks for your time this evening, and coming. 562 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: Up next, it's time for your favorite segment, Lefty's Losing It. 563 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 3: Welcome back. Now it's time for Lefty's Losing It. 564 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 4: The post election analysis is underway and we've talked about 565 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 4: Republicans being blessed with some of the dumbest political opponents 566 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 4: on God's Green Earth, and this next Lefty is no exception. 567 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 4: Here is Vanity Fair and MSNBC's Molly John Fast blaming 568 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 4: not just misogyny, but institutional misogyny and sexy images for 569 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 4: Kamala's downfall. 570 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 17: He leaned into a lot of the institutionalized misogyny as 571 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 17: a way to try to neutralize her effectiveness. So she 572 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 17: super effective speaker, really galvanized voters in a really important way. 573 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 17: And what the Trump campaign did, and I think ultimately 574 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 17: they were able to, was they flooded the Internet with 575 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 17: over sexualized images of her. They spread lies about her 576 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 17: romantic history. 577 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 4: That is so completely divorced from reality it's unintentionally funny. 578 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 4: Did she actually claim that Kamala is a really effective speaker? 579 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 4: The word salad queen who can't utter a coherent sentence 580 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: to save herself. But Molly wasn't done yet. Listen to 581 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 4: this bit of batpoop crazy analysis where she claims that 582 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 4: Kamala's own campaign, which was hyper focused on securing the 583 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 4: female vote, was actually anti women. 584 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 17: And you'll remember it. She ran this brose campaign, right, 585 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 17: a campaign that was largely sort of anti woman in 586 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 17: a way. 587 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 4: Look, it's only a matter of time before Molly joins 588 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 4: the other crazy cat ladies and cuts her hair on 589 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 4: camera to protest Trump and democracy a. 590 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 6: Given up in America, have also given up. I'm coloring 591 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 6: this hair because great coloring my hair, having my hair belong. 592 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 5: I'm luxurious that being skinny, being hot, in all the 593 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 5: things that the patriarchy wants us to be, because clearly 594 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 5: they don't. 595 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: Give it about us. 596 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 6: And I'm talking to you too, those of you ladies 597 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 6: who have the internalized misogyny required to do what he 598 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 6: did the minorities. 599 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 5: We're so scared of a woman in power that you'd 600 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 5: rather cause you up to the weight man, just in 601 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 5: case some crumbs fall off his plate so that you 602 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 5: may eat from them. Yes, Rahaps, I don't know how 603 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 5: to work this thing, man, I'm aware. 604 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 4: Put to one side the dementedness there the racism, the 605 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 4: bold face racism against minorities who voted for Trump. And 606 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 4: Marvel are just how hopeless this woman is. 607 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: She can't even work a clipper. 608 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 4: A literal monkey could work clippers. They're not hard to 609 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 4: work out. Let's take a little trip down memory lane 610 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 4: to just a few weeks ago, when supposed sensible lefty 611 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 4: Bill ma had convinced himself that Kamala was going to 612 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 4: win and win comfortably. 613 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 3: This is aged like a glass of milk. 614 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: Am I going to worry about it? First of all, 615 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to worry about it, Phil, because he's 616 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: not going to win. First of all, She's definitely going 617 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: to win the popular vote, as Democrats almost always do. 618 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 16: Now. 619 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: But I think you will win. 620 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 3: Oh dear, how wrong can you be? Bill? You want 621 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 3: to pretend you're. 622 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 4: The critical thinker, the leftist who isn't protected from reality, 623 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 4: but your Trump arrangement syndrome has you uttering absurdities like this. 624 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 4: I hope doctor Phil stepped in with a prescription after 625 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 4: this rant about Trump's supporters. 626 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: His followers, I think, well, I don't think their heart 627 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: will really be in it as it was in twenty twenty. 628 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: Some of them. There's lots of people who will always 629 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: be in the bunker with Missus Goebels taking the poison 630 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: and giving the poison to the children, because it's better 631 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: than living in a world without national socialism. 632 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 4: Doctor Phil's face says it all. 633 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: This dude is beyond hell. 634 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 4: Bill Maher may occasionally say something sensible, essentially copying what 635 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 4: conservatives have said for years, what we've said when it 636 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 4: actually mattered, but in the end he's just another lefty 637 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 4: losing it like this dude on sea and having a 638 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 4: full blown tantrum because a conservative on the panel, Shamichael Singleton, 639 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 4: actually used accurate language to describe boys as boys. 640 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 16: A lot of families out there who don't believe boys 641 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 16: should play girls sports. 642 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 18: They're not boys. I'm not going to listen to trans. 643 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 15: An trans girl boy. 644 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 11: Finish when you use. 645 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 8: It changed. 646 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 15: They're not just boys, they're girls. 647 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 19: I'm not gonna sit there listen a second, because look, 648 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 19: this is a really heated issue, right and Sha Michael, 649 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 19: I know you, I know that you understand that people 650 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 19: have different views on this. I think, out of respect 651 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 19: for Jay, like, let's try to talk about this in 652 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 19: a way that is respectful. 653 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 4: No shame on the host there for siding with the 654 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 4: fringe dwelling, hysterical clown and trying to pull the completely 655 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 4: accurate and reasonable language of a man who was making 656 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 4: the pertinent point that most normal people don't want boys 657 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 4: in girl sports. But the white dude for Kamala, well, 658 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 4: his tantrum was not over. 659 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 15: Yet regular people interpret it. 660 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 20: That's not that's not regular people. There's no consensus that 661 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 20: these are actually boys. This whole thing about trans girls 662 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 20: is a canard. It's we're talking about a tiny, tiny 663 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 20: sliver of the population using rhetoric like you just use 664 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 20: saying this is boys playing girl sports, talking about trans 665 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 20: girls playing playing being allowed to play with the people 666 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 20: who are in their gender. And if we don't believe, 667 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 20: you don't have to listen to me, listen to the 668 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 20: American Medical Association, the American Psychological. 669 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 4: You can see why Donald Trump won in a landslide. 670 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 4: And here is John Stewart with a message to the 671 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 4: polsters who protected the left from the truth, from the 672 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 4: reality that they're the minority. 673 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: Send a quick message to all the pollsters, the election posters. 674 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: Me, I don't. 675 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: Ever want to from you again. 676 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 13: Ever. 677 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: I don't ever want to hear. 678 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 17: We've corrected videover connection you don't know about. 679 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 3: And I don't care for you. 680 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 4: Still to come shopping scenes out of Amsterdam as extremists 681 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 4: continue to riot. 682 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 3: Security expert Max Abrams joins me next. Welcome back. 683 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 4: Joining me now is international security expert, author, and Associate 684 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 4: professor of political science at Northeastern University, doctor Max Abrams. 685 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 4: Max WI will delve in to what the second Trump 686 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 4: term means for the international community, particularly the Middle East. 687 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 3: But first of the. 688 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 4: Shocking scenes out of Amsterdam and the violence that saw 689 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 4: Jewish soccer fans targeted, Chase beaten. The unrest continues with 690 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 4: writers setting a tram on fire, throwing stones, fireworks. It's 691 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 4: pretty clear Europe has an extremism problem. Much of it 692 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 4: has been imported, and Max, as you have noted, border 693 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 4: security is national security. 694 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 18: Personally, this story very much jove tales with the Trump 695 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 18: administration's agenda where they ran very strongly against Biden's hoping 696 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 18: order policy. And it's going to be a problem until 697 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 18: the national authorities crack down on these migrants and seal 698 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 18: up the borders. There's no question. 699 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 4: And you talk about the global into Vada, and it's 700 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 4: not just in Amsterdam, where we're seeing these scenes. In Germany, 701 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 4: Jewish youngsters in a youth football team have been put 702 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 4: under police protection after an attack by pro Palestinian mob 703 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 4: armed with sticks and knives during a match in Berlin. 704 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 3: The Telegraph reports. 705 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 4: The teenagers from the Maccabi Berlin youth side say they 706 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 4: were hunted down by a gang of Arab youths after 707 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 4: a game against local rivals last week. The game was 708 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 4: played in a neighborhood known for its large Arab and 709 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 4: Turkish population. The situation is so grim across much of 710 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 4: Europe max that Israeli authorities have put out a guide 711 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 4: of high risk countries assessing the risk of online anti 712 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 4: Semitism and physical attacks. You can see there shamefully, we've 713 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 4: got countries like Germany, France, the UK who have high 714 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 4: or very high risk of physical and online attacks. 715 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 18: The crazy thing about this international Palestine movement is it 716 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 18: really got galvanized by the October seventh, twenty twenty three attack. 717 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 18: So it's not as if a peace process had fallen apart, 718 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 18: and you know, Muslims all over the world got upset 719 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 18: that there couldn't be a two state solution. Hamas went 720 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 18: on a terrorist rempage. That is the second most lethal 721 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 18: terrorist attack in modern history anywhere in the world. And 722 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,399 Speaker 18: ever since then, we've seen these antifaudas erupt all over 723 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 18: the place, including frankly inside the United States and Canada. 724 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 18: There have been problems in Australia, but Europe seems to 725 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 18: be particularly radicalized, and I do think a big part 726 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 18: of that has to do with these weak quarters and 727 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 18: the fact that these migrants go in and out there's 728 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 18: no accountability. And the radicalization problem I want to emphasize 729 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 18: is not just directed against Jews. It's directed against Western civilization, 730 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 18: if you will. They attacked the cops, they attacked public 731 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 18: transportation in that country. So make no mistake, these perpetrators 732 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 18: are a danger broadly to the state, to the Jews, 733 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 18: to anyone really who lives there. 734 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 6: Now. 735 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 4: To the US election, it was an emphatic landslide victory 736 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 4: for Donald Trump. 737 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 3: It's going to change not. 738 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 4: Only America this election, but change the Middle East. How 739 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 4: nervous would Iran's Islamis regime be? 740 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 18: Right now, Max, There's no question that Kamala Harris was 741 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 18: seen as a pro Iran candidate, and Trump, of course 742 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 18: is the opposite. The last time he was president, he 743 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 18: opposed and managed to topple the so called Iran nuclear Deal, 744 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 18: which was flawed in all sorts of ways, and he 745 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 18: did this by applying maximum sanctions against Tran taking out 746 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 18: the leader of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard. Course, so the 747 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 18: world of there was a lot of acrimony between the 748 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 18: Trump administration and the Iranian leadership, which reportedly has been 749 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 18: targeting Trump as well as his advisors. Most recently, Trump 750 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 18: has said to Israel that it gives Israel the green 751 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 18: light to attack Iranian nuclear facilities. And that's different than 752 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 18: the Kamala Harris campaign, which certainly wouldn't entertain that idea. 753 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 18: I also want to point out though that this that 754 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 18: this presidency is really emphasizing peace through strength, and the 755 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 18: idea is that the United States is not going to 756 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 18: be running around the world, you know, hyperactive in its 757 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 18: use of military force. So the you know, MAGA, the 758 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 18: MAGA movement really sees itself as quite different than the 759 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 18: so called neo coms. And so even though Trump is 760 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 18: you know, very much opposed to the Iranian regime and 761 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 18: they have a history of acrimony, it doesn't mean that 762 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 18: he's going to be cavalier in terms of opening up 763 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 18: new wars. I think that he may already be onto 764 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 18: something because you'll recall that Israel, you know, as retaliation 765 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 18: for the October one ballistic missile attack, struck Iranian military 766 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 18: targets on October twenty six, and ever since then, we've 767 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 18: been expecting Iran to reply militarily against Israel. And this 768 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 18: was particularly the case after the election, and yet Donald 769 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 18: Trump has won and we haven't heard that much. I mean, 770 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 18: this could change at any minute. I don't know, but 771 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 18: so far, it does seem plausible that Iran has been 772 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 18: put alert and that's the reason why it's acting with 773 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 18: more restraint and hasn't attacked Israel because although the presidential 774 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 18: transition hasn't happened, Iran well knows that Trump is going 775 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 18: to be the president in a couple months, and so 776 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 18: it really needs to be careful. And I think that 777 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 18: that's really the best solution, where Trump essentially, you know, 778 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 18: scares the Iranian regime. Military force is not necessarily needed, 779 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 18: and it just sort of makes Iran much more cautious 780 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 18: in terms of how it uses military sporce as well 781 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 18: as how it arms its terrorist proxies. 782 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,240 Speaker 4: That would be an incredible feat if he's already having 783 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 4: that impact not even been sworn in for his second term, 784 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 4: Because my fear was that in this period where we've 785 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 4: got a weak lane duck administration, that the Iranians were 786 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 4: going to act in this little. 787 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,280 Speaker 3: Window of time that they've got. 788 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 4: The Trump transition team has been working hard, the reports, 789 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 4: They've been working hard for months preparing for this second term. 790 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 4: And among the very first selections that President Elect Donald 791 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 4: Trump has made is naming New York Congresswoman Elise Stephanick 792 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 4: to be the Ambassador to the UN, a critically important role. 793 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 3: Max. Do you believe she's up to this task? 794 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 18: You know, it's ironic because Trump was accused all the 795 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 18: time of being some kind of misogynist, you know, who 796 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 18: hates women, and his first major appointments have been for women, 797 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 18: his chief of staff as well as now the ambassador 798 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 18: to the UN. I do think it's a good selection. 799 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 18: This woman is very credentialed. She's a senior Republican in 800 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 18: Congress in a New York district, and she really became 801 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 18: famous on the national stage by essentially humiliating the presidents 802 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 18: of some of the best universities in the world, even 803 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:50,359 Speaker 18: got the president of the University of Pennsylvania, my alma mater, 804 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 18: to step down or to get fired. She was very 805 00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 18: much a leader against the global antifata, anti Semitism coach campuses, 806 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 18: and I think that that indicated that she will serve 807 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 18: that sort of role in the UN, where one of 808 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 18: the major votes that the ambassador, the US Ambassador to 809 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 18: the UN does is it blocks all sorts of countries 810 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 18: from teaming up against Israel. At the same time, she's 811 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 18: known very much as part of this America First right, 812 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 18: part of the MAGA movement, and I think that that 813 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:38,879 Speaker 18: goes very well with the Trump administration. And so you know, 814 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 18: Trump and his subordinates, they frankly a very little respect 815 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 18: for the UN. In a way, it's the exact opposite 816 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 18: of America First. And so I think that this appointment 817 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 18: in the UN are going to be at loggerheads the 818 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 18: entire time. 819 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 4: Doctor Max Ibrams, thank you so much for your time, 820 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 4: my pleasure. That's it from me. I'll see you at 821 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 4: eleven tomorrow. Up next is Newsnight.