WEBVTT - Lauren Burns Overcame 12 Operations to Win Gold at the Olympics

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Welcome back to Bounce Forward with me, Tip Haul.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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<v Speaker 1>in which I'm recording this podcast. There were andre people

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cooler Nation. I pay my respects for elders

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<v Speaker 1>past and present. Welcome to part two of my chat.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to pick up right where we left off.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you celebrate with anything naughty after like you you won?

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<v Speaker 1>Like did you were you craving something in particular?

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<v Speaker 2>Like after?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I really wanted pizza and beer. But that

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<v Speaker 3>was my main thing. And you know, it's often that

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<v Speaker 3>thing when you can't have something you want. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, or going to the supermarket when you're hungry,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you just buy all this stuff that then

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<v Speaker 3>you don't really want it anyway when you've had something good. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted pizza and beer. And I had friends that

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<v Speaker 3>were living in Sydney, and I had a whole lot

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<v Speaker 3>of friends that had come to watch. And so after

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<v Speaker 3>the fight, I went and I did Roy and HD

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<v Speaker 3>the Dream Yes, which was hilarious. They were fantastic, And

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<v Speaker 3>then they were like, oh, we couldn't find a good

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<v Speaker 3>pizza place open, so we went to the supermarket and

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<v Speaker 3>we got you pizza ingredients and they had pizza. They

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<v Speaker 3>made it for me, and I actually couldn't really eat

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<v Speaker 3>much of it. So after all that wanting it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>had a piece of pizza, I didn't really have. I

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<v Speaker 3>had a little bit of champagne, I think, but I

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<v Speaker 3>had so many bruises, Like I was really really injured afterwards,

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<v Speaker 3>and I didn't want all the you know, alcohol really helped,

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<v Speaker 3>like the makes the bruising come out. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>had a really bad hit to the groin that was

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<v Speaker 3>just so bad, like really really really bad and actually

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<v Speaker 3>it was your dad. I went back to the village

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<v Speaker 3>and this is a bit too graphic. You might want

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<v Speaker 3>to cut it out, but tell me the sportsmantheson doctor

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<v Speaker 3>said we're going to have to drain it. This is

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<v Speaker 3>like because it was like a hematoma that had come

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<v Speaker 3>up from this kick. And so Martin and said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't go out like you just you have to

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<v Speaker 3>do what the doctor said, you know they want to.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, give me one night, give me

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<v Speaker 3>one night where I'm not gonna like you can't. I

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<v Speaker 3>just want a freaking Olympic gold medal. You can't put

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<v Speaker 3>a needle, you know, in my vagina, And so I said,

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<v Speaker 3>and so then I had all this arnica. So I

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<v Speaker 3>had like anaab like I'm just like anything helped them bruising,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it went down overnight and they said, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to drain it, and I was, thank goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Lauren, You've had so many injuries over

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<v Speaker 1>your time, like And one of the questions I get

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<v Speaker 1>asked the most is about from like members who are fit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they get setbacks, They get setbacks with injuries

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<v Speaker 1>and how do they overcome that? And you know myself

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<v Speaker 1>from taekwondos wrists, knees, Oh my god, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it's you know, the knees.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you do taekwondo if you haven't done your

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<v Speaker 1>A C L Like I don't know. So how how

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<v Speaker 1>do you bounce back from having injuries?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you overcome those setbacks in life? Lauren? Like

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<v Speaker 2>you found you leading up even to the games, didn't you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've had a lot, but I think I've had

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<v Speaker 3>about twelve operations since the games, patching everything up. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how many leading into the games, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think even now this is something that I just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>hold true always is you just show up and you

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<v Speaker 3>do the work. So, you know, that was sort of

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<v Speaker 3>drilled into me as an athlete, like if you can't

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when you can't go, you can't kick, so

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<v Speaker 3>you go to training and you just sit on the

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<v Speaker 3>bike and you do what you can and you can't,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, so then you're involved. You're not removing yourself

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<v Speaker 3>away from the situation. I've had a really bad shoulder well,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a shoulder reco and all sorts of things

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<v Speaker 3>shoulder injury that does play up occasionally and if I

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<v Speaker 3>do something now even it'll flare up. So I still

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<v Speaker 3>go to the gym, I do the you know, recovery.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't love doing the band, but I'm on the

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<v Speaker 3>bands and I just turn up and I do the

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<v Speaker 3>work and it just builds up slowly. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>even today I was at the gym and I was

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<v Speaker 3>doing the you probably know what it's called, but you

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<v Speaker 3>know when you hang and you do the rings and

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<v Speaker 3>you pull yourseld oh yes, y rings. You know two

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<v Speaker 3>a year ago, there's no way I could have done that.

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<v Speaker 3>But here I was today doing the rings, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know it depends like and so it's just like, show up,

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<v Speaker 3>do the work, do what you can, even if it's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you go for a walk, or you can

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<v Speaker 3>always modify and do something. And you know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>talking about where you push yourself too hard or you

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<v Speaker 3>do things that you shouldn't, or sometimes you need a rest.

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<v Speaker 3>But I never really let an injury hold me back.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I found early on is I had to

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<v Speaker 3>I had both needes operated on at the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was probably the time the only time that

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<v Speaker 3>I really thought about quitting. I just thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to do this. Why am I doing it?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not getting paid for it. I'm not like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't have to do this sport. So then I decided, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if it was asking myself that question, if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to quit, just don't do it. You know, there's lots

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<v Speaker 3>of other things you can do in your life. But

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<v Speaker 3>I had this really strong feeling I didn't want to quit.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it so much. I wanted to keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought, well, if that's what you want, then

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<v Speaker 3>don't complain about it. Just do what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got together with my strength coach Tony Hewitt,

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<v Speaker 3>and we just rebuilt and I went to he was

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<v Speaker 3>going to the gym every day like different, to the

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<v Speaker 3>high performance center, and I then became stronger than I

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<v Speaker 3>was beforehand. So it's that whole thing of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like that injury allowed me then to take time off

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<v Speaker 3>the volume of training because you know, as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Taekwondos classes are so aerobic, they're so physical, and

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<v Speaker 3>so to just go I'm just going to focus on

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<v Speaker 3>strength training and waits and I rebuilt my body in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that I never would have had the time

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<v Speaker 3>to do that and the load would have been too much.

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<v Speaker 3>So I often reflect on that time about how, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>every injury kind of allowed me an opportunity to get

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<v Speaker 3>stronger in a different way and so and actually that

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<v Speaker 3>was interesting with your dad as well. So afterwards I

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<v Speaker 3>went to the club first, So the nationals were happening,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was selection for the World Championships, and it

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<v Speaker 3>meant that I couldn't compete, and I was so upset,

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<v Speaker 3>like I was devastated. So the first one I'd ever

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<v Speaker 3>missed out on selections and I was really really upset

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<v Speaker 3>about that, and really it's probably the worst I've ever

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<v Speaker 3>felt actually, and so I started back at the club

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<v Speaker 3>to just move around on the mat. It was time

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<v Speaker 3>to sort of you know, built a lot of strength,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I'm moving around and he's like, just do

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<v Speaker 3>some footwork, you know, do some you know, upper body anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So then I just throw a little kick. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I can actually do I can do a kick, one

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<v Speaker 3>kick with one leg, round house kick. I could do that, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I said, you know, Martin, I reckon,

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<v Speaker 3>I can fight. I can only do one kick. And

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, no way, You're not fighting, Like no, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, okay, give me, give me a week, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And so every day I came in and I did

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more and he was like, okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>see if I can get you a late application. So

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<v Speaker 3>we put in this application. So when I fought at

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<v Speaker 3>the National, I could still only do one kick an

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<v Speaker 3>ass and that's all I did. So every fight that

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<v Speaker 3>I had, I did that one kick and I loved

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<v Speaker 3>it because it kind of it highlighted what I've always

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<v Speaker 3>known from the Koreans is that there's such a beauty

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<v Speaker 3>in the simple techniques, you know, doing a kick that

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<v Speaker 3>is so well executed is often unbeatable, you know. And

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<v Speaker 3>I felt that before when I'd been at the in

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<v Speaker 3>Korea training with some of these young kids. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember training with this one boy. It was at

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<v Speaker 3>a high school and he just had this back lag

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<v Speaker 3>roundhouse kick that was so beautiful, and even though I

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<v Speaker 3>knew what he was going to do, I could see

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<v Speaker 3>him coming. I had all these different things that I

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<v Speaker 3>tried to do to get even just move out of

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<v Speaker 3>the way, and he scored on me every time. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's such beauty in that, you know, doing

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<v Speaker 3>something that's just so incredibly elegant. And so that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I felt when I was going through there, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this competition, and I even had someone say to me,

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<v Speaker 3>you should write to your opponents and say, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just going to do this one kick. Really it's all

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<v Speaker 3>I had. But I won that nationals and made that

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<v Speaker 3>national team, so that it made me really think about that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the simplicity and beauty of doing the simple thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Bruce Lee says, fear not the man that practiced

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand different kicks once. Fear the man that practices

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<v Speaker 1>the one kick ten thousand times.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, that's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you're not just Lauren Burns, your doctor, Lauren Burns.

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<v Speaker 1>You are. You went on to do your PhD that

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<v Speaker 1>focused on athlete lifestyle and mindset. Can you talk to

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<v Speaker 1>me about your PhD and what you studied and all

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<v Speaker 1>of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, I mean it started out as something different.

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<v Speaker 3>The research Jenny is always a bit turbulent, so I

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<v Speaker 3>guess Sport prepared me for that. But yeah, basically I

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<v Speaker 3>did my PhD was in athlete lifestyle and mindset. And

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<v Speaker 3>the first study we did, I interviewed ten World Olympic

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<v Speaker 3>and Paralympic champion athletes, so really amazing athletes like Kathy Freeman,

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<v Speaker 3>Ian Thorpe, Layne Beachley, Kerry Potthast, Paralympians Don Elgin, Tim Matthews,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it was really fascinating because I was trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get an idea about, you know, lifestyle. But really

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<v Speaker 3>what came out of it was psychological skills and attributes

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<v Speaker 3>are key, so you know, mindset is just so important.

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<v Speaker 3>And some of the elements that came out about that

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<v Speaker 3>are things like realistic optimism, being a knowledge seeker, having

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<v Speaker 3>a really clear sense of self regulation, self confidence, and dominance,

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<v Speaker 3>mental toughness, having a strong work ethic. So those elements

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<v Speaker 3>were all really really key across all athletes and all

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<v Speaker 3>different sports, and I purposely sampled them so i'd had

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<v Speaker 3>athletes from small sports, you know, as in like individual sports,

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<v Speaker 3>small teams, big teams, combat sports, you know, so I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of wanted a really interesting cross section and athletes who, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they had to have won a gold, Olympic gold medal,

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<v Speaker 3>World championship medal, Paralympic gold or world cham Paralympic, world

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<v Speaker 3>championship medal. So but then also what came out of

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<v Speaker 3>it that I probably didn't expect is the importance of

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<v Speaker 3>interpersonal relationships and connection. So that theme really sort of

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<v Speaker 3>came out of the data, and I then delved really

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<v Speaker 3>deeply into that work and wrote a piece for the

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<v Speaker 3>British Journal of Sports Medicine about strengthening into personal relationships

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<v Speaker 3>in sports. So that's kind of where I've really been

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<v Speaker 3>focused a lot of my attention these days. I had

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<v Speaker 3>some work commissioned by the Australian Institute of Sport and

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<v Speaker 3>we did gold medal winning athletes and gold medal winning

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<v Speaker 3>coaches to sort of look at characteristics of gold medal

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<v Speaker 3>winning teams. Yeah, so it's been really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So is that like about the people you surround yourself with.

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<v Speaker 1>And because like I've been thinking about Ned Brockman and

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<v Speaker 1>how he's accomplished amazing feats and mental toughness and all

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<v Speaker 1>of that. I'd love your take on something like Ned Brockman,

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<v Speaker 1>like how.

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<v Speaker 2>Has he done that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what would you say with his support network? And

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<v Speaker 1>you know it plays a big part.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I don't know a lot about him

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<v Speaker 3>per personally, but I mean I know what he's done,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, it was very It's really about who's

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<v Speaker 3>on your team and that that's not prescriptive. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for some people it's their parents. Some people don't want

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<v Speaker 3>their parents anywhere near them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>And so like Jackie Cooper, for example, would say, like

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't want my mom near me when I was

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<v Speaker 3>competing because you know, she's an aerial scheer, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>she'd always worry that I was going to crash, So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, she didn't want her mom there, whereas other

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<v Speaker 3>athletes were like I just had you know, I needed

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<v Speaker 3>my mom and dad there or my parents you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, would bring me meals or their support was

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<v Speaker 3>so important. Some people it was a coach, some people

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<v Speaker 3>it was a friend, some people it was a sibling,

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's about creating that connection. And when I

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<v Speaker 3>sort of delved into the research, there's a lot around

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<v Speaker 3>how quality relationships attenuate our stress response, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I really felt so, you know, when I did more

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<v Speaker 3>work with AIS around this characteristics of gold medal winning teams,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot around you know, trust and yeah, like

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<v Speaker 3>that emotional management, and there was some work that I

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<v Speaker 3>was looking at around just being near someone that you

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<v Speaker 3>have a quality relationship that actually attenuates our cortisol levels

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<v Speaker 3>and helps us to you know, to have like it's

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<v Speaker 3>like our self red and our ability to cope with stress.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, that's something like you know when for

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<v Speaker 3>me standing you know, at the court side about to

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<v Speaker 3>go into an Olympic final or whatever, and if you've

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<v Speaker 3>got someone next to you who's you know, you feel

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable with, you're going to be able to self regulate

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more than if you're more fraught. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>or just knowing, you know, knowing where people are in

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<v Speaker 3>the stands that you've got you know, you've got that support.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's so it's incredibly powerful. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>now we know so much more about loneliness and how

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a social determinant of health and there's just

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<v Speaker 3>so many elements around relationships and connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is so interesting, so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So your mum as well, and I really want to

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<v Speaker 1>instill good habits in my children and keep them active

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<v Speaker 1>and interested in sports. Do you have any tips for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, moms out there to you know, keep your

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<v Speaker 1>kids motivated, I don't know, get them active?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, you do this so well to if

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen all of your things, you know, exercising in

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<v Speaker 3>your land room with little kids around you and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think firstly, you know, we play the

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<v Speaker 3>long game, and you know that's what I mean. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>always talking with you know, my clients I work with

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<v Speaker 3>about life plans and looking at the big picture twenty

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<v Speaker 3>and it kind of puts everything in perspective. So part

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<v Speaker 3>of it is, you know, one of the things we

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<v Speaker 3>saw with the athlete research is when I was looking

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<v Speaker 3>into all of that is unstructured play and early diversification

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<v Speaker 3>is so important. So you know, it's not always you know,

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<v Speaker 3>keeping them in this one sport that you've chosen but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, giving them options, helping them to play, move

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<v Speaker 3>their bodies, you know, and kind of that. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>lifelong learning and lifelong movement and then also modeling it

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, they they see that. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've had my like my son is sixteen and fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's been at the gym with me and I

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<v Speaker 3>just it's so awesome. And you know, he would come along.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been training together for a few years. He's now

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<v Speaker 3>just moved on where, but at least he came with

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<v Speaker 3>me and we've you know, I've got a great coach

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<v Speaker 3>that I work with now, and it was about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>so firstly he used to come along and what you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and he just sit around. Well, I did my session,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it started playing around on some equipment and

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<v Speaker 3>then you know, my coach took a real interest in

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<v Speaker 3>him and he created a plan for him that was

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<v Speaker 3>around you know, like his basketball and putting on a

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<v Speaker 3>weightfest and jumping and elastics and you know, so it

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<v Speaker 3>was creative and it was specific, but it also then

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<v Speaker 3>again built this trust and allowed him to learn how

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<v Speaker 3>to use weights and his body more so then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and when you've got like my coaches quite buff. So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when you've got a big, strong guy going okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's lower that weight so that you can get better

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<v Speaker 3>biceps or whatever, is you know better than your mum

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<v Speaker 3>saying that's too y.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the problem I have when I try and

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<v Speaker 2>train my kids. They just don't.

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<v Speaker 3>But now he's got this, He's got some really good foundations.

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<v Speaker 3>I know he's got He goes to the gym with

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<v Speaker 3>a friend and you know, I trust that he knows

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<v Speaker 3>how to lift better. So I think, yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of things. One is that unstructured play, early diversification,

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<v Speaker 3>get them trying different things. Obviously keeping them in the

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<v Speaker 3>sport that they're in as much as you can. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>like when they don't want to go to class, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just okay, let's go along, or let's just try for

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<v Speaker 3>the first bit and then you know, once they get there,

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<v Speaker 3>they're happy and they go along. So and yeah, really

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<v Speaker 3>sort of modeling, I think, you know, healthy habits and

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<v Speaker 3>doing and doing hard things, and doing things when you

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to do them. So often I'll say that

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<v Speaker 3>like I really can't be stuff going to the gym,

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<v Speaker 3>or I don't want to go and I go, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just showing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's really showing up.

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<v Speaker 3>Do what you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I try and teach my son, Arnold that he's

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<v Speaker 1>seven and he does taekwondo at Hall's. But oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to go after school. He's tired, and he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to go. He just wants to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>watch TV or do something. I say, no, we're going out,

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<v Speaker 1>put on my dough box and we go and I,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I assist in the class with him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just loves it.

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<v Speaker 2>So once you get there, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Once you get there, yeah yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite your move, you have to keep moving. Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for owning me today. I all

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<v Speaker 1>loved seeing you and catching up like it's I.

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<v Speaker 3>Feel like we've barely touched the surface. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>remember you. I just have to say I remember when,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, because I was with Martin for so long

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<v Speaker 3>and one of the things, like I talk about this

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<v Speaker 3>relationships and you know, trust and you know, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things about your dad is that he I always

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<v Speaker 3>felt like he had my best interest at heart. So

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<v Speaker 3>no matter how hard he pushed me or what he

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<v Speaker 3>challenged me to try, and you know, stretch myself and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, develop and grow my mindset that he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>the best for me. But then, you know, you were

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<v Speaker 3>so you and Bridget were so young sometimes and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>your mom would be picking you up and taking it

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<v Speaker 3>at different things. And I just sort of think of

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<v Speaker 3>it in a different way because he would drop anything

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<v Speaker 3>for any of his athletes, you know, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd bring him and say, can you meet me at

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<v Speaker 3>five am at the club for you know, I just

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<v Speaker 3>want to work on this one kick or something. Yea, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>sure of course. He loved all that stuff. And after

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<v Speaker 3>he had a young family and you know he has.

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<v Speaker 1>Balance was as well. Like I know, he was always

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<v Speaker 1>so dedicated to his fighters. But you know, we were there,

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<v Speaker 1>we were at the club. We were we were exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to elite athletes and Olympians and you know, like we

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<v Speaker 1>got to witness that elite level of sport and it

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<v Speaker 1>was so good for me the role modeling, to see

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<v Speaker 1>you training, and like I grew up in it, like

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<v Speaker 1>women weren't really doing the sport when I was, like

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<v Speaker 1>when I was really young, like mum was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first women to earn a black belt in Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was just it was just awesome to see

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<v Speaker 1>you on the mats, Like I can't tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just shaped so much of what I've.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean it from your family.

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<v Speaker 1>I just yeah, I just I love taekwondo and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just been so good to talk to you and like

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<v Speaker 1>be able to chat about it, because yeah, I bring

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<v Speaker 1>taekwondo with me wherever I go, but not everyone gets.

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<v Speaker 2>It, gets the view of.

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<v Speaker 1>The mindset and the body connection, which I think is so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, martial arts is I think so important and it

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<v Speaker 3>translates to so many different areas of life. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it really depends on their instructor, but it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't depend on the martial arts. So you know, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's judo or karate or whatever it is, if you've

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<v Speaker 3>got a good instructor, and then the the discipline of

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<v Speaker 3>martial arts is just you know, it's really powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so powerful for your studies and everything you do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's helped me in life, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just love it. So if you're out there and

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<v Speaker 1>you're interested in secial arts, go do some taekwondo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, martial arts. It's so Thank you so.

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<v Speaker 3>Much, Lauren, awesome, Thanks TIV.

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