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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to Bounce Forward with me, Tip Haul.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: in which I'm recording this podcast. There were andre people

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Speaker 1: of the Cooler Nation. I pay my respects for elders

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Speaker 1: past and present. Welcome to part two of my chat.

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Speaker 1: We're going to pick up right where we left off.

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Speaker 1: Did you celebrate with anything naughty after like you you won?

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Speaker 1: Like did you were you craving something in particular?

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Speaker 2: Like after?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I really wanted pizza and beer. But that

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Speaker 3: was my main thing. And you know, it's often that

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Speaker 3: thing when you can't have something you want. It's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, or going to the supermarket when you're hungry,

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Speaker 3: and then you just buy all this stuff that then

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Speaker 3: you don't really want it anyway when you've had something good. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I wanted pizza and beer. And I had friends that

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Speaker 3: were living in Sydney, and I had a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of friends that had come to watch. And so after

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Speaker 3: the fight, I went and I did Roy and HD

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Speaker 3: the Dream Yes, which was hilarious. They were fantastic, And

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Speaker 3: then they were like, oh, we couldn't find a good

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Speaker 3: pizza place open, so we went to the supermarket and

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Speaker 3: we got you pizza ingredients and they had pizza. They

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Speaker 3: made it for me, and I actually couldn't really eat

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Speaker 3: much of it. So after all that wanting it, and I

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Speaker 3: had a piece of pizza, I didn't really have. I

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Speaker 3: had a little bit of champagne, I think, but I

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Speaker 3: had so many bruises, Like I was really really injured afterwards,

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Speaker 3: and I didn't want all the you know, alcohol really helped,

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Speaker 3: like the makes the bruising come out. So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: had a really bad hit to the groin that was

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Speaker 3: just so bad, like really really really bad and actually

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Speaker 3: it was your dad. I went back to the village

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Speaker 3: and this is a bit too graphic. You might want

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Speaker 3: to cut it out, but tell me the sportsmantheson doctor

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Speaker 3: said we're going to have to drain it. This is

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Speaker 3: like because it was like a hematoma that had come

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Speaker 3: up from this kick. And so Martin and said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you can't go out like you just you have to

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Speaker 3: do what the doctor said, you know they want to.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, give me one night, give me

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Speaker 3: one night where I'm not gonna like you can't. I

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Speaker 3: just want a freaking Olympic gold medal. You can't put

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Speaker 3: a needle, you know, in my vagina, And so I said,

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Speaker 3: and so then I had all this arnica. So I

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Speaker 3: had like anaab like I'm just like anything helped them bruising,

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Speaker 3: and so it went down overnight and they said, no,

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Speaker 3: you don't have to drain it, and I was, thank goodness.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Lauren, You've had so many injuries over

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Speaker 1: your time, like And one of the questions I get

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Speaker 1: asked the most is about from like members who are fit,

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Speaker 1: you know, they get setbacks, They get setbacks with injuries

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Speaker 1: and how do they overcome that? And you know myself

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Speaker 1: from taekwondos wrists, knees, Oh my god, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's you know, the knees.

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Speaker 1: It's like you do taekwondo if you haven't done your

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Speaker 1: A C L Like I don't know. So how how

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Speaker 1: do you bounce back from having injuries?

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Speaker 2: How do you overcome those setbacks in life? Lauren? Like

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Speaker 2: you found you leading up even to the games, didn't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had a lot, but I think I've had

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Speaker 3: about twelve operations since the games, patching everything up. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how many leading into the games, but I

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Speaker 3: think even now this is something that I just you know,

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Speaker 3: hold true always is you just show up and you

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Speaker 3: do the work. So, you know, that was sort of

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Speaker 3: you know, when you can't go, you can't kick, so

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Speaker 3: you go to training and you just sit on the

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Speaker 3: you know, so then you're involved. You're not removing yourself

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Speaker 3: away from the situation. I've had a really bad shoulder well,

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Speaker 3: I had a shoulder reco and all sorts of things

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Speaker 3: shoulder injury that does play up occasionally and if I

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Speaker 3: do something now even it'll flare up. So I still

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Speaker 3: go to the gym, I do the you know, recovery.

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Speaker 3: I don't love doing the band, but I'm on the

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Speaker 3: even today I was at the gym and I was

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Speaker 3: doing the you probably know what it's called, but you

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Speaker 3: a year ago, there's no way I could have done that.

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Speaker 3: But here I was today doing the rings, and you

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Speaker 3: But I never really let an injury hold me back.

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Speaker 3: And what I found early on is I had to

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Speaker 3: I had both needes operated on at the same time,

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Speaker 3: and that was probably the time the only time that

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Speaker 3: I really thought about quitting. I just thought, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't have to do this. Why am I doing it?

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Speaker 3: I'm not getting paid for it. I'm not like, I

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Speaker 3: don't have to do this sport. So then I decided, well,

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Speaker 3: I had this really strong feeling I didn't want to quit.

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Speaker 3: I loved it so much. I wanted to keep going.

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Speaker 3: So I thought, well, if that's what you want, then

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Speaker 3: So I got together with my strength coach Tony Hewitt,

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Speaker 3: and we just rebuilt and I went to he was

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Speaker 3: high performance center, and I then became stronger than I

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Speaker 3: was beforehand. So it's that whole thing of you know,

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Speaker 3: like that injury allowed me then to take time off

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Speaker 3: So I often reflect on that time about how, you know,

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Speaker 3: was interesting with your dad as well. So afterwards I

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Speaker 3: went to the club first, So the nationals were happening,

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Speaker 3: like I was devastated. So the first one I'd ever

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Speaker 3: So then I just throw a little kick. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I said, you know, Martin, I reckon,

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Speaker 3: And so every day I came in and I did

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Speaker 3: in the simple techniques, you know, doing a kick that

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Speaker 3: I felt that before when I'd been at the in

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Speaker 3: roundhouse kick that was so beautiful, and even though I

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Speaker 3: something that's just so incredibly elegant. And so that's what

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Speaker 3: I felt when I was going through there, you know,

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Speaker 3: just going to do this one kick. Really it's all

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Speaker 3: the simplicity and beauty of doing the simple thing.

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Speaker 1: Like Bruce Lee says, fear not the man that practiced

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Speaker 1: ten thousand different kicks once. Fear the man that practices

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Speaker 1: the one kick ten thousand times.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're not just Lauren Burns, your doctor, Lauren Burns.

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Speaker 1: You are. You went on to do your PhD that

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Speaker 1: focused on athlete lifestyle and mindset. Can you talk to

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Speaker 3: guess Sport prepared me for that. But yeah, basically I

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Speaker 3: Ian Thorpe, Layne Beachley, Kerry Potthast, Paralympians Don Elgin, Tim Matthews,

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Speaker 3: to get an idea about, you know, lifestyle. But really

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Speaker 3: what came out of it was psychological skills and attributes

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Speaker 3: And some of the elements that came out about that

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Speaker 3: mental toughness, having a strong work ethic. So those elements

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Speaker 3: were all really really key across all athletes and all

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Speaker 3: interpersonal relationships and connection. So that theme really sort of

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Speaker 3: British Journal of Sports Medicine about strengthening into personal relationships

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Speaker 1: So is that like about the people you surround yourself with.

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Speaker 1: So your mum as well, and I really want to

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Speaker 1: But despite your move, you have to keep moving. Lauren,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for owning me today. I all

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Speaker 1: It's so powerful for your studies and everything you do.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's helped me in life, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Yes, martial arts. It's so Thank you so.

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Speaker 3: Much, Lauren, awesome, Thanks TIV.

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