Speaker 1: Today we're recording on Gadigul country and we'd like.
Speaker 2: To pay our respects to the traditional custodians of the
Speaker 2: gat Girl people.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 2: I know you're going to dig this. It's like I've
Speaker 2: been given like an extra sprinkle of something.
Speaker 1: You've got layers, Yeah, I've got layers. I was just thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're just such beautiful storytellers.
Speaker 2: You make a lot of sense to that. Girl. No,
Speaker 2: I'm done here.
Speaker 1: Let's be in too honest to go. Okay, okay, we
Speaker 1: were literally just talking about you going to Europe and
Speaker 1: you want to be in the best every year.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yes, I want.
Speaker 1: To take it's thirty pushing that like say, like if
Speaker 1: you were turning twenty nine, Yeah, but do you feel
Speaker 1: like you would still be this motivated or is it
Speaker 1: the thirty That's like one thing, it is the thirty.
Speaker 2: It's the I want to enter my thirties and I
Speaker 2: legit just want to feel like the best version of
Speaker 2: version of my loom.
Speaker 1: You want to be the best version of your Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, because I feel like over the last few
Speaker 1: years there's been ups and downs in my progress and work.
Speaker 2: You know, mental health comes into that as well, but
Speaker 2: I feel like going to I've booked a five week
Speaker 2: holiday to Europe, so oh my god, I just feel
Speaker 2: like that is going to be like the rebirth of
Speaker 2: the next decade, the generation.
Speaker 1: What am I doing Emily in Paris? Yes, well, the
Speaker 1: thing is Maddie euro eurod Well.
Speaker 2: The thing is I'm looking for actually like a slogan
Speaker 2: for my birthday dinner, which is going to be on
Speaker 2: the night before my birthday. I'm looking at creating a
Speaker 2: save the date so I'll send it to and you're
Speaker 2: obviously both invited. I'm going to do it like a
Speaker 2: really beautiful birthday.
Speaker 1: Who's both yes on me?
Speaker 2: As in studio guys.
Speaker 1: Now you're meant to like not ignore you, baby, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but yes, we'll be well Mea and I will be
Speaker 1: definitely there, amazed.
Speaker 2: I want to do like a really beautiful, like long
Speaker 2: table dinner with like all my friends, and I want
Speaker 2: it to be at this place called Olympus in Redfern.
Speaker 2: So you can't book until like two weeks out. They're
Speaker 2: really like strict, So I'm hoping I'm going to do
Speaker 2: a backup booking somewhere and then I'm going to like
Speaker 2: hope that they can give me like the table of
Speaker 2: twenty people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So and then the next day I fly to Europe.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you have the long lunch and then you
Speaker 1: fly literally what the next day, next night, So.
Speaker 2: I have my birthday day in Sydney and then I'm
Speaker 2: flying to Europe at eight thirty pm on the Monday
Speaker 2: the twenty six So like I'm in the air for
Speaker 2: my birthday night.
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's kind of cool, like you could have
Speaker 1: a wine baby on the plane, like living it up.
Speaker 2: Totally and these like I booked business suite so it's
Speaker 2: like sliding doors and shit, I know that's boogie. It's
Speaker 2: my birthday present to myself.
Speaker 1: Maddie's bougie birthday.
Speaker 2: Oh boogie birthday.
Speaker 1: Birthday. I had what it was Brooks mob party or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a mob party, but that was a full
Speaker 1: same thing, like this is your birthday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll come up with we'll come up with something.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So that's sort of like where my mind
Speaker 2: is at the moment looking forward to that. I've been
Speaker 2: hyperfixating on that and looking at properties on the Gold Coast.
Speaker 1: I know, I mean, the contrast is like crazy. I
Speaker 1: mean that's thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the thing is I actually want my lifestyle
Speaker 2: to change for my thirties, the decade of my thirties.
Speaker 1: What's this big push? Like, I mean, you've always been
Speaker 1: really like motivated, but there's this there's this really you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a shift in you that's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to get to a certain point in your life,
Speaker 1: I think. Or is it just like things that you
Speaker 1: want to have when you turn thirty.
Speaker 2: Well, I think what's happened is that I've always felt
Speaker 2: like I've been very i would say obedient to what
Speaker 2: I would say is like the appeal of the industry,
Speaker 2: and I've always felt like I needed to be in
Speaker 2: Sydney to get work or be successful. And I think
Speaker 2: that if I keep on living in that mindset into
Speaker 2: my thirties, that I'm going to be a slave to
Speaker 2: my career and I'm not going to have the lifestyle
Speaker 2: I want. So what I'm doing now is putting myself
Speaker 2: first and seeing how that you know, manifests my life.
Speaker 2: So it's like moving to the Gold Coast. I've always
Speaker 2: like I've wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: Spoken about it, You've mentioned like I'd say, like three
Speaker 1: Orten times to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I also just like.
Speaker 1: Every time I go to the Gold Coast, I'm moving here.
Speaker 1: I could move here.
Speaker 2: The thing is, I want to wake up, walk cross
Speaker 2: the road to the beach. I actually want to get
Speaker 2: a dog. I love dogs. Like, why wouldn't I live
Speaker 2: my life with a dog if I absolutely love dogs?
Speaker 2: You know? So I want to, you know, move to
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast, live my life across the road from
Speaker 2: the beach. What I can afford there is like really
Speaker 2: nice compared to what I can afford in Sydney. It's
Speaker 2: just about lifestyle.
Speaker 1: It's kind of tempting me. I was like, damn, maybe
Speaker 1: I want to move.
Speaker 2: It's just like I feel like we have such a
Speaker 2: short time on the earth, like make the big decisions
Speaker 2: for the for the rewards, you know.
Speaker 1: So have you been feeling like this for a while
Speaker 1: in terms of the you know, when you mentioned slave
Speaker 1: to your career, Like, have you felt like you're just
Speaker 1: doing the thing but you're not getting much back? Like
Speaker 1: do you feel like you're just doing it for the
Speaker 1: sake of doing it and you're not really enjoying it?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I feel like I enjoy everything I do
Speaker 2: for my career, but I feel like I'm constantly trying
Speaker 2: to appeal to the industry and do what the industry
Speaker 2: expects of me. So, for instance, you know, living my
Speaker 2: life in a way that is open to receiving what
Speaker 2: the industry will give me in terms of opportunity, and
Speaker 2: that's always been about centralizing myself here. Yeah, but now
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I can be really strategic
Speaker 2: with my work. For instance, I have like a project
Speaker 2: next year that I'm going to be filming for like
Speaker 2: three months of the year, and for me, that project
Speaker 2: will take me out of Sydney anyway. So why wouldn't
Speaker 2: I essentialize myself in a place that I really love
Speaker 2: and want to want to be instead of just being
Speaker 2: here because I think, oh, I'm going to miss out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm sick of that feeling of oh I'm going
Speaker 2: to miss out. It's like you are an hour away
Speaker 2: on a flight if you really want that opportunity to
Speaker 2: jump on the plane.
Speaker 1: Well, I can advocate the fact that I, when I
Speaker 1: was thinking of places to move from Perth because I
Speaker 1: love that, I sort of did this crazy show and
Speaker 1: then I was away from it, like I wasn't amongst
Speaker 1: all the chaos, and I kind of like avoided all
Speaker 1: of the controversy and all of the stuff that kind
Speaker 1: of comes with that, which I didn't enjoy. So being
Speaker 1: in Perth, I was away from it. But then when
Speaker 1: I was ready to kind of come back into it,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought, Okay, well, I know I need
Speaker 1: to be on the East Coast because it's more accessible.
Speaker 1: I feel like you get more work being on the
Speaker 1: East Coast. I was deciding whether it was going to
Speaker 1: be Sydney, Melbourne, or somewhere else. Obviously when I was
Speaker 1: with David, it was going to be maybe Brisy, but
Speaker 1: that wasn't something that appealed to me. And I'd been
Speaker 1: in Melbourne quite a few times because my uncle lives there,
Speaker 1: and I loved every moment I had in Melbourne. And
Speaker 1: then Sydney. I had once lived here before, but I
Speaker 1: was like so young, and I didn't I didn't love
Speaker 1: the vibe of it, like the general vibe of like
Speaker 1: going down to my local. It just seems so transactional
Speaker 1: and to like h superficial. And I felt like in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: when you go to places, whether it's walking down the street,
Speaker 1: whether it's a dog park, whether it's like your local cafe.
Speaker 1: It's very personal and it feels like people don't really
Speaker 1: care who you are, what you're doing, and where you're going.
Speaker 1: They're just like they just want to have a yarn
Speaker 1: with you. And I love that. But in Sydney I
Speaker 1: never got that. And every time I come here it
Speaker 1: just feels like a work relationship. It feels like my
Speaker 1: work girlfriend, Like I come and I go, Like.
Speaker 2: But now it's a bit different.
Speaker 1: It is very different because now I actually have a
Speaker 1: girlfriend who lives in Sydney. Everyone always says, regardless of
Speaker 1: Mia being in Sydney, everyone has always said, moved to Sydney,
Speaker 1: moved to syd and I have stood strong with the
Speaker 1: fact that I just don't really love it. I don't
Speaker 1: vibe it. You could sell the beaches to me. I
Speaker 1: am a coastal girl. But I lived here for two months.
Speaker 1: Remember in November December last year, I partied and like,
Speaker 1: what did what you know? I was working on a film,
Speaker 1: obviously that was my focus, but I just like, I
Speaker 1: went to the same shot coffee shop every morning, didn't
Speaker 1: feel a vibe. I walked my dog in different places,
Speaker 1: didn't feel a vibe. Yeah, it's crazy, so like trust
Speaker 1: your instincts. Is one know what you like and what
Speaker 1: you want and what you want to get out of
Speaker 1: something as well, like whether it's the location, whether it's
Speaker 1: a career relationship, whatever it is, it's like you need
Speaker 1: to know that it's going to be good for you,
Speaker 1: not for anyone else, just for you totally.
Speaker 2: And I've actually it's funny you say not anyone else,
Speaker 2: because I brought this conversation up to my partner and
Speaker 2: be open to it.
Speaker 1: But I was to say, like, what is because like
Speaker 1: in a relationship, like if I just like sprung on me,
Speaker 1: I've been like babe moving to the Gold Coast, I
Speaker 1: feel like I would have like a bit of her
Speaker 1: that would be like yeah, sure, but then she would
Speaker 1: be like yah, but what of like other things that
Speaker 1: I've got to do, Like you know, there's like a
Speaker 1: whole week list totally.
Speaker 2: Well, there's things that need to be sorted out, like yeah,
Speaker 2: Denny has his own business, so he needs to figure
Speaker 2: out like what that would look like transporting that cleaning business,
Speaker 2: you know, and and whether the work would be consistent
Speaker 2: enough for him to stay on his feet. I also
Speaker 2: think in a partnership, it doesn't have to be fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty all the time. You know, if you're going
Speaker 2: to move and you're the person who really wants it,
Speaker 2: you can support your partner for a little while while
Speaker 2: they get on their feet. And that's something that I've offered.
Speaker 2: I've said, you know, if if you are brave enough
Speaker 2: to take this step with me and you know, move
Speaker 2: to the Gold Coast, we can test it out for
Speaker 2: a year and see how we go. We can always
Speaker 2: come back, you know. And you know, he has his
Speaker 2: own business here, so it's like, if you want to
Speaker 2: move the business, or if you want to do something
Speaker 2: completely different, we can talk about how I can support
Speaker 2: you in that way, you know. So I want to
Speaker 2: be really like reportive of my partner when they're supporting
Speaker 2: your dreams as well. So it's like, I've never felt
Speaker 2: like it needs to be fifty to fifty. Ever, I
Speaker 2: feel like it.
Speaker 1: Feel like it changes.
Speaker 2: It does change. Some days you will only be able
Speaker 2: to contribute twenty and name have to do the eighty,
Speaker 2: you know. And I'm I'm finding that as I'm learning,
Speaker 2: I'm actually reading the book you gave me Eight Rules
Speaker 2: of Love.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, how are you liking it?
Speaker 2: I'm halfway through. I'm fucking loving it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so glad you finally read it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: The first bit for me was like the game changer,
Speaker 1: like the solitude part.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The krama part for me was was like amazing day,
Speaker 2: Shetty he slapped Jay Sheddy. Yeah, like I have to
Speaker 2: tell you this whole story about God to live show.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And like Brook was, I was supposed to
Speaker 2: go with Brook. We literally like walked past each other
Speaker 2: at the airport, gave me the keys to a car,
Speaker 2: and I took the car and went by myself.
Speaker 1: Because why did I have to go job?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was going down to go to the show
Speaker 2: with her, and then all of a sudden, she got
Speaker 2: this last minute cour to go to a job. I
Speaker 2: had to then go to the thing by myself. But
Speaker 2: it was like it was that book. I don't know,
Speaker 2: It's part of my like seventy five hard challenge. I'm
Speaker 2: just and so it's like read ten pages of the day,
Speaker 2: but I'm glued. I'm like, tell me more. I'm like
Speaker 2: I want to know all the fuck.
Speaker 1: And you can picture him like reading it as well,
Speaker 1: which is so good. Oh, there's a few other books
Speaker 1: that I will have to give you that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, be good for your seventy five.
Speaker 1: But is Danny doing it with you?
Speaker 2: He's not, But he has been like on a health
Speaker 2: kick for I want to say, like six months. He's
Speaker 2: so determined and like we've only got our biometrics done.
Speaker 2: He's ten percent body fat, doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't do
Speaker 2: anything else. Yeah, And in the biometrics his balance was
Speaker 2: off and he's like, I'm not really good at balancing.
Speaker 2: I was like, your ten percent body fat just shut up,
Speaker 2: like it is so fine, Like, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, that's so fit, so rare.
Speaker 2: What was yours is fifteen?
Speaker 1: Still? Like fucking closely, but I want to get it. Think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I think I under under what is it?
Speaker 2: I think eighteen or twenty? Like in the good mine
Speaker 2: is that's cot. But everyone obviously has their own challenges
Speaker 2: with their body and weight, and you know it's not
Speaker 2: always ten percent is their most healthful.
Speaker 1: No, But like I think that's really impressive because you
Speaker 1: have to put in the work, which I trust. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's a really good motivation. I mean, I'm on
Speaker 1: a little bit of a health kick. I could just
Speaker 1: do something I got shortlisted.
Speaker 2: For imp I know, tell everyone what IMP.
Speaker 1: Is well, Like podcast is literally going like a rogue,
Speaker 1: but am I we meant to be talking about boundaries, mister.
Speaker 2: We'll get back there, but quickly tell me about IMP well.
Speaker 1: I applied for IMP as a I wanted a big challenge,
Speaker 1: like you know, you talk about your challenges for thirty
Speaker 1: and being, you know, the fittest you've ever been. I
Speaker 1: feel mentally the best I've ever felt, the happiest I've
Speaker 1: ever felt in my body. But I wanted a big
Speaker 1: challenge this year. And I really loved going to New
Speaker 1: York last year and I want to go again. So
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of opportunities or ways I
Speaker 1: could get back there, and then IMP kind of just
Speaker 1: popped up. Yeah, which is the Indigenous Marathon Project.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: They sponsor a squad of like ten to twelve people
Speaker 1: maybe even a bit more to go to New York
Speaker 1: to run the New York Marathon. But you have to
Speaker 1: qualify in all these other times. So you have to
Speaker 1: do a half in Alice Springs in the desert. In
Speaker 1: the desert halfway through the year, it's sweltering, she hot,
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 2: You actually actually running on sand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's diabetic.
Speaker 2: That is. I tried running on the beach and one
Speaker 2: ca is like five k's.
Speaker 1: It's well, it's like it's it's not like the hard sand,
Speaker 1: like yeah, not soft sand, but I mean you're running
Speaker 1: in like thirty plus degrees desert. You know that heat
Speaker 1: is hard. But you do so much work prior to
Speaker 1: getting there, and then obviously all those little runs we
Speaker 1: go to go the Gold Coast, we go to Canberra,
Speaker 1: like there's different times and runs that you have to complete,
Speaker 1: and then you get to that run and then you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: if I can do this, then I can definitely do yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's like a stepping stone. So you're feeling about it,
Speaker 2: like do you feel like you're a little bit scared?
Speaker 1: Because always it's a challenge. It is mentally I know
Speaker 1: like I can do it. So it's a weird confidence
Speaker 1: that I have in my head that I mentally like,
Speaker 1: I I know that it's going to be a pretty
Speaker 1: dark place in a way when you're running, like where
Speaker 1: you go. But I love that challenge of like the
Speaker 1: voice in telling it to shut up constantly. I know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: What helps you get through it?
Speaker 1: The run?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for instance, a podcast. For me, I've just listening
Speaker 2: to a podcast or something you're really interested about. Your
Speaker 2: hang on every word is so helpful because you're sort
Speaker 2: of zoned in here instead of like here, you know.
Speaker 1: And so people run like a full marathon in like
Speaker 1: three hours part like some part like that's that's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's that's really I mean, I would average, I'd say,
Speaker 1: like every ten k's, I'd give myself like an hour
Speaker 1: to run, So I if I got four hours, I
Speaker 1: would be I would be stoked with that, like if
Speaker 1: I just finished it, But I would you know, that's
Speaker 1: like four podcasts like an hour or like if you're
Speaker 1: you know, they're our episodes. I mean hours a little
Speaker 1: bit shorter, but like yeah, might as well watch mom,
Speaker 1: might as well watch a movie, you know. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I mean, like I've only run a half, Like even
Speaker 1: in the half, I think once your body goes into
Speaker 1: that motoring mode, like I can listen to music, sometimes
Speaker 1: I have to just shut the music off and like
Speaker 1: I just have to like take in the surroundings and like,
Speaker 1: but that's usually at the start, and then by then
Speaker 1: you're like I need something to just counter out the
Speaker 1: voice or it depends because I've been on runs where
Speaker 1: it's like been five k's and my head noise is
Speaker 1: the loudest it's ever been, and I'm like, that's not
Speaker 1: a good day. No, that's not a good day.
Speaker 2: It's hard to get out of it, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Like Yeah, and then also the adrenaline of the run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can really Like the last fifteen hundred meters
Speaker 2: of a five k run, you're on like that your
Speaker 2: sky high. Like for me the first two k's like
Speaker 2: why the fuck am I doing this? I hate my life?
Speaker 2: I can never I can not finish this run. You
Speaker 2: sort of get the three k's, you're like, you know what,
Speaker 2: my body starting to kick in. I can feel like
Speaker 2: that this is going to be okay. Then you get
Speaker 2: to that like three point five four k mark and
Speaker 2: you're like, I could run another five k's.
Speaker 1: You know what would be really fun if like your
Speaker 1: friends and everyone got around and they did this voice
Speaker 1: recording for four hours of like them just like yarning
Speaker 1: to you and just like telling you stories or just
Speaker 1: like cracking jokes or something. That would be so nice,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it. I just have four hours of like, oh,
Speaker 1: remember that time when we did that time you know,
Speaker 1: like just like going over like and you'd just be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, like laughing, I can just sad that.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great idea. I'm currently listening to
Speaker 2: a podcast about addiction and recovery, so like hearing people's stories,
Speaker 2: and I find real life stories or people who've triumphed
Speaker 2: through a really difficult challenge the best thing to listen
Speaker 2: to while running, because then you're like, these people went
Speaker 2: through so much more for me. I'm fucking running, I'm
Speaker 2: using my legs, like my body's doing good, like I
Speaker 2: have a great healthy body right now, so like, don't complain,
Speaker 2: get through it, you know. So it sort of motivates
Speaker 2: me a little bit like.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, I went down that route of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: really looking and listening to lots of trauma stories. But
Speaker 1: I think it was quite helpful with just putting your
Speaker 1: own life into perspective totally just being like, oh, yeah
Speaker 1: that happened. Okay, next, let's get onto.
Speaker 2: What we actually were supposed to talk about. But that
Speaker 2: was I love it.
Speaker 1: I know it was a very long intro.
Speaker 2: Very long intro, but let's talk about, you know, professional breakups.
Speaker 2: Something we've both been through a breakup with our managers
Speaker 2: this year. I know that I remember us talking about
Speaker 2: it before we did it and sort of egging each
Speaker 2: other on a little bit, giving each other a bit
Speaker 2: of courage.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I was glad I had you in
Speaker 1: that because the last time I broke up with my
Speaker 1: manager wasn't an easy experience. I had to do it solo,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, it's hard when you've done a lot of
Speaker 2: great work and you have a lot of respect for them,
Speaker 2: Like my manager was an absolute angel and somebody who
Speaker 2: was the perfect person to start my career with, and yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of mutual respect there running through it
Speaker 2: in the actor red carpet. So that breakup, as much
Speaker 2: as it was daunting for me and actually something that
Speaker 2: I was so scared about hurting her feelings, you know,
Speaker 2: being scared about letting her down and being like, I
Speaker 2: know that we've worked so well together, We've built my
Speaker 2: career to a point, and now I'm going to take
Speaker 2: that away from you. It's felt a little bit selfish, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But how I got through it was knowing that it
Speaker 2: was business.
Speaker 1: Then how did you have that conversation, Like, how did
Speaker 1: you approach it in a way that yeah, it is
Speaker 1: strictly business, so one is perspective like being like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is business relationship, it's not nothing personal, because that
Speaker 1: can be really hard. Oh yeah, because you care about
Speaker 1: this person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when they've done so good by you, you know,
Speaker 2: if you have a mutual respect, and it's almost like
Speaker 2: they're a part of your family because you talk to them,
Speaker 2: probably more than you talk to your own family. You
Speaker 2: confide in them, you tell them your dreams and your goals,
Speaker 2: and you really put your trust in them to help
Speaker 2: you get there. With Tracy, it was a matter of
Speaker 2: me sort of convincing myself and allowing myself to go
Speaker 2: through the emotions of the breakup before it actually happened. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I had an inkling that things needed to change
Speaker 2: about six months before we had the conversation.
Speaker 1: So I got a long time a.
Speaker 2: Long time, but I also got to the points, got
Speaker 2: to the edge so many times, like I was edging myself.
Speaker 1: Basically that sounds like going back to that.
Speaker 2: So I was like in the beginning, I was very
Speaker 2: much like locking myself up to be able to be
Speaker 2: brave enough to have the conversation. Little did I know
Speaker 2: that once that conversation happened. She already had the feeling.
Speaker 2: She already had the inkling that it was coming, because
Speaker 2: basically for the last six months I'd been maybe showing
Speaker 2: her signs that I was going to have this conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And when we had the conversation, she said, I thought
Speaker 2: this might come soon, you know, I thought this day
Speaker 2: might come. So it was I'm glad that I gave
Speaker 2: myself time and space because she could see the signs
Speaker 2: and it wasn't a hard blind side. And I think
Speaker 2: that's important too, because you don't want to have them Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't want to You don't want to blindside them
Speaker 2: in a way that is going to hurt their feelings.
Speaker 2: You know. It's almost like being able to take yet.
Speaker 1: Sit in some way.
Speaker 2: I did you blindside?
Speaker 1: No, I just blind side. But I was shocked that
Speaker 1: I still had that reaction from my manager ex manager,
Speaker 1: sorry that I was leaving. I thought, you know, I
Speaker 1: tried to make it work. I tried to open up
Speaker 1: a relationship for it to work. I just made a
Speaker 1: decision to cut the line much. And they expressed that
Speaker 1: they were hurt and like taken back, It's never going
Speaker 1: to be always easy. It is like a personal relationship
Speaker 1: breakup like it's breakups aren't always going to be like
Speaker 1: you know, rainbows and butterflies. It's going to be push
Speaker 1: and pull, back and forth, a teething out process, a distance. Really,
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I feel like I've broken up
Speaker 1: with a lot of in my personal life there are
Speaker 1: a lot of breakups, but also in my career a
Speaker 1: lot of Yeah, I guess relationship breakups too.
Speaker 2: Anyone ever broken up with you in your career? Like,
Speaker 2: have you ever been fired? H?
Speaker 1: Good question? Have I been fired in their job?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like as have you ever had a manager go, okay,
Speaker 2: your contracts up, we're not.
Speaker 1: Renewing by oh oh yeah I got made redundant? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I got made redundant my first ever job
Speaker 1: in a mining company. Like happy, like pay me assholes,
Speaker 1: even though it's blood money.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, my I'm sure it's my white ancestors
Speaker 2: in my brain saying to me, go and work in
Speaker 2: the minds that earn lots of money. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: there is so much, so much.
Speaker 1: That was a big confliction for me. But I was happy,
Speaker 1: and you know, opportunity well yeah, and also that's what
Speaker 1: led me to youth work. That's crazy like that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's the things like you can have like those relationship
Speaker 1: like break up kind of things. But they like I
Speaker 1: don't know they they work out internet? Did they teach
Speaker 1: you something?
Speaker 2: But it's always scary before it happens.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I was unemployed for like four weeks
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm a worthless piece of shit.
Speaker 1: I'm never going to go anywhere in my life, Like
Speaker 1: what the fuck am I doing? Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I get my dream job working at Headspace, which is
Speaker 1: a youth organization like mental health, which is where I
Speaker 1: started telling my story and like owning it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, this needed to happen. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I only the way.
Speaker 2: Let you know. I think that's actually a point that
Speaker 2: I'll make, like coming back to the start of the episode,
Speaker 2: is like I'm actually clearing the way for more opportunities.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Gold Coast is gonna give
Speaker 2: me or what opportunities there. I don't really know anyone there.
Speaker 2: It's like not a place where I see a lot
Speaker 2: of work. But if I don't clear the way and
Speaker 2: go and just be open, how do I know one
Speaker 2: my dream job might pop up there, you know, I
Speaker 2: film might be getting filmed and I can audition and
Speaker 2: go down the road and film it, you know, dreams.
Speaker 1: It's the same with any of our things like me
Speaker 1: doing the Bachelor, me doing the Bachelorette, us starting a podcast.
Speaker 1: You never know where the opportunity is, like opportunities could go.
Speaker 1: But this is one thing that I have realized, and
Speaker 1: it's sometimes really hard to swallow, Like it's a hard pillow,
Speaker 1: a hard pillow, it's a hard, hard peel to swallow. Stop.
Speaker 1: I haven't had a caffee. I haven't had my coffee.
Speaker 1: But like when you work with brands, So when you
Speaker 1: get brand sponsorships and you I'm a big person and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you are too, Maddie, where you want to
Speaker 1: build a personal relationship with them, Like you want to
Speaker 1: have that personal relationship where you feel like it's there's
Speaker 1: longevity there or there's like a relationship that can manifest
Speaker 1: into something else and another opportunity can come down the line,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like you and I have
Speaker 1: that same I guess mentality around brand collaborations or partners
Speaker 1: and our sponsors for the podcast, we want to build
Speaker 1: a better and like stronger relationship with them. I've found
Speaker 1: that there's so many brands out there, and like there's
Speaker 1: no disrespect to any brands that do this, but it's
Speaker 1: just a one off. It's a one and done, and
Speaker 1: I just don't know why and why that's necessary. Transactional,
Speaker 1: it's so transactional for.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. I think that that is,
Speaker 2: like there's so many opportunities that come our way. I'm
Speaker 2: sure like and you as well, that are just like
Speaker 2: we want you for sort of a moment in time.
Speaker 2: It's like capitalizing on maybe a moment that's happening in
Speaker 2: the public sector like Mardi Gras or natoc Week. It's
Speaker 2: very tokenistic. But I think the longer partnerships and the
Speaker 2: relationships always come back to values, you know, like do
Speaker 2: your values ALIGNE And if your values aligned, there's definitely
Speaker 2: more synergy. So it's like there's more opportunity down the line.
Speaker 2: Like I'm working with Dermalogica on a long term contract
Speaker 2: and I find that they've been like really in the beginning,
Speaker 2: it was a one off thing. There's a one off thing,
Speaker 2: and then I think we just clicked and it's like
Speaker 2: now a long term thing.
Speaker 1: But Okay, this is going to be like, am I
Speaker 1: the asshole kind of thing? Right? Okay, I've worked for
Speaker 1: the brand. I'm not going to name them, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I have worked with these mobs for a long time.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to name how many years now.
Speaker 1: I have built this relationship from honestly, like the ground up,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I have invested a lot of
Speaker 1: my time, a lot of my life, and a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, my conversations around what works and what doesn't.
Speaker 1: I use them as an example that what has worked right.
Speaker 1: But more recently, I've been a little bit disappointed in
Speaker 1: the fact that because I have changed management, there has
Speaker 1: been like a drop off of lack of communication. There's
Speaker 1: been pretty much ghosting happening, and I think this is
Speaker 1: one not something that I've experienced with them. New stuff
Speaker 1: obviously kind of counts to play, not just new management
Speaker 1: but new stuff and new people in different roles, but
Speaker 1: all my values aligned completely with them. I've worked my
Speaker 1: ass off to push these products to also be involved
Speaker 1: with other projects where I've worked my ass off to
Speaker 1: build relationships with their partners. You can't be that disposable totally.
Speaker 1: That is like, that's the industry that we work in.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so transactional and it's so disposable. I
Speaker 1: feel like you and I are similar in this sense,
Speaker 1: like we love transparency. Transparency comes at the forefront. I
Speaker 1: would say, like in my partnerships and business, it's like
Speaker 1: I want to be transparent about everything. I want money
Speaker 1: to be on the table, I want discussions, conversations to
Speaker 1: be on the table exactly like I want to be up.
Speaker 1: Don't leave me in the dark. What's the point of that?
Speaker 1: If you guys are thinking about like breaking up with
Speaker 1: your manager, or breaking up with your partner, breaking up
Speaker 1: with your job, what's like three tips of how to
Speaker 1: approach that that are like, maintain your sense of self,
Speaker 1: but also you know, like are going to make you
Speaker 1: feel okay about the decision.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you one thing that is like that
Speaker 2: is something that I have to fight hard to actually
Speaker 2: like action, and that is going at things with love
Speaker 2: even when you feel the opposite. So, for instance, if
Speaker 2: you're feeling some sort of way, might be a resentment
Speaker 2: towards a manager for some of the stuff they've done,
Speaker 2: or it might be the fact that like you don't
Speaker 2: feel like they've had your back when you're going to
Speaker 2: do the breakup, makes you do it in a way
Speaker 2: that you and it doesn't have to be airy fairy.
Speaker 2: You're the best manager in the world, But you can
Speaker 2: walk away, hold your head high and know they can't
Speaker 2: say anything about you in terms of what happened in
Speaker 2: that discussion. So it's like, you know, you just want
Speaker 2: to keep your integrity, you know, and dignity when you leave.
Speaker 2: It's like you really want to be able to walk
Speaker 2: away and go. I felt empowered, not oh my god,
Speaker 2: I said things that now I'm going to walk away,
Speaker 2: and I feel guilty because I told them that they
Speaker 2: you know, we're less than couldn't give me what I needed.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not about them. Don't make it about them.
Speaker 1: Make it about your choice and what you are doing
Speaker 1: for you because they can't be mad. I don't think
Speaker 1: they can be mad. People can be mad, of course,
Speaker 1: but they can't really be mad you if you're choosing
Speaker 1: something that's for your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my one thing, Like try and go
Speaker 2: at it with love, and love is like a way
Speaker 2: that you can walk away and not feel bad.
Speaker 1: I agree that's really great advice because in any scenario,
Speaker 1: whether it's I guess, a relationship breakup or a work breakup,
Speaker 1: a management breakup, whatever it is, even like business partner,
Speaker 1: who's your friend or even friendship breakups. God, I went
Speaker 1: through the whole time, but I'm still trying to navigate
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: And well, look, it's so funn that I'm saying, go
Speaker 2: at it with love, peace, rainbows, you know, all the
Speaker 2: all the good things. But also I'm entering this error
Speaker 2: of my life where I'm what I'm calling the County error,
Speaker 2: and it's about feeling empowered to have hard conversations and
Speaker 2: put up tough boundaries when you come from a point
Speaker 2: of view of being a people pleasing your whole life.
Speaker 2: So it's about a transition of being.
Speaker 1: Feel you're shedding your people.
Speaker 2: Please, Yeah, I'm ohl it is gone. I feel so
Speaker 2: empowered by being in my county era, and being in
Speaker 2: my County era just means standing up for myself, being
Speaker 2: strong in what I believe, in what my values are,
Speaker 2: and not allowing people just to walk over me and
Speaker 2: take me for granted. I agree, So the County eerror
Speaker 2: isn't a bad thing. County kindness County Kindness Erarka.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good place. That's the headline of this
Speaker 1: podcast is we're entering our county kindness. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: here for you for this, yes, because I love that
Speaker 1: for you. I can't say I've always been a people pleaser.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you have. I think you can
Speaker 2: be quite strong in yourself, and I think that's a
Speaker 2: good thing.
Speaker 1: But there have been moments where Capricorn. I am a Capricorn,
Speaker 1: but I think there's moments in my life where.
Speaker 2: Blaming everything that stuff. Yeah Capricorn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gemini, Yeah, I'm Gemini.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can be so nice, but then once
Speaker 2: I cross the line of being Like, once I've crossed
Speaker 2: the line, then it's really hard to get me back
Speaker 2: to the niceness, and that's a bad thing. I need
Speaker 2: to work on that. Like I'm nice, nice nine percent
Speaker 2: of the time, and then i'm a and then to
Speaker 2: get me back to the nice part, it's actually really hard.
Speaker 2: Like it's I'm like, okay, I need to work on that,
Speaker 2: like just go back that way.
Speaker 1: Go back. But no, I think being direct and knowing
Speaker 1: what you want, your values and what doesn't align with
Speaker 1: you is important, and I think also that goes into
Speaker 1: your friendships and relationships and like your your career as well.
Speaker 2: As into my thirties, my decade of my thirties.
Speaker 1: I think one as well, just like a little side
Speaker 1: note is that we as like millennials in this era
Speaker 1: of our generation working. Most of the people we're working
Speaker 1: with are older than us, and so we're not always
Speaker 1: used to asking the generation above us what we want
Speaker 1: and what we need. But I think because now, like
Speaker 1: you know they're moving on, we know where the industry
Speaker 1: can go, we know that what its capabilities are, we
Speaker 1: know what is like relevant, and I feel like we
Speaker 1: now back ourselves enough to be like, well you did
Speaker 1: that when in your time. It's our time now, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna take control, Like this could be like any scenaries.
Speaker 2: Totally saying that you're like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like when you once said you're not the passenger anymore.
Speaker 2: You're driving the bus.
Speaker 1: You got to drive the bus.
Speaker 2: You've got to drive the bus. And I think when
Speaker 2: you get to the thirties, it's like you've got two
Speaker 2: hands on the wheel now.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was a passenger for way too
Speaker 1: long in my life, and I was like looking at
Speaker 1: it from like a view, like I was like some
Speaker 1: sad little person being like, oh, like everyone's just controlling
Speaker 1: my life. And now I'm like fuck that.
Speaker 2: No, I play this PlayStation.
Speaker 1: Now I play this PS but.
Speaker 2: Boy boy, alright, well that is wrap. I hope we've
Speaker 2: inspired you to take control, you know, take the steering wheel,
Speaker 2: being lead of your own lives. It's my thirties. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've been saying for so long, yours is obviously happened,
Speaker 2: mine is coming. And the thirties. You know, we've been
Speaker 2: I feel like we've been talking about getting to our
Speaker 2: thirties for like, I feel like we've been talking about
Speaker 2: it since we started the podcast.
Speaker 1: I honestly think so.
Speaker 2: But we're here, We're here, We're here, and I'm excited
Speaker 2: for it. So yeah, I hope everyone has a lovely week.
Speaker 1: And what I hope you also know that when you
Speaker 1: turn thirty, nothing changes really really Like I feel like, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you change that.
Speaker 2: I'm doing the whole change of location and change everything,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, the changes, the changes.
Speaker 1: But like physically nothing really happens. But I feel like
Speaker 1: this is the mindset that you have is like what
Speaker 1: everyone goes through and I think it's like a really
Speaker 1: good mindset to have because it's only going to like
Speaker 1: trajector you the next decade of your life, and then
Speaker 1: you reassess and do it again.
Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah, I've been watching the Kardashians and Chloe just
Speaker 2: turned forty and look she's killing it. She's killing it.
Speaker 2: Not the people who spine to be. But anyway, that's
Speaker 2: all we have time for today, So thanks for listening
Speaker 2: to First things First, If you love what you're here
Speaker 2: to leave us a rating and a little review.
Speaker 1: If you want us to cover anything on the pod,
Speaker 1: reach out via our socials. My handles at Brooked Up Bloten,
Speaker 1: and Maddie's handle is that it's Maddie Males and we'll
Speaker 1: see you next time.
Speaker 2: Remember to be cunty, but be kind.
Speaker 1: Yes. Bye,