Speaker 1: I really.
Speaker 2: It is so time for ah let's go girl, I
Speaker 2: need chick chat too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome back, ladies. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Got Abby from the newsroom.
Speaker 5: We've got producers Zoe and the question I'm going to
Speaker 5: post to you both this morning. And let's be honest,
Speaker 5: we at different phases in our life.
Speaker 4: I am a touch older than you.
Speaker 5: Both just to touch dum and I have four children
Speaker 5: and I have one and a half jobs, and so
Speaker 5: that's where I'm at. Zoe, you're in your twenty five,
Speaker 5: just turned twenty five, recently coupled in a new relationship yeap,
Speaker 5: and working here.
Speaker 3: And I'm thirty three and single as a pring girl.
Speaker 4: Oh this is speed dating right now.
Speaker 2: I do have two sausage jogs, though, which could be
Speaker 2: classed as children.
Speaker 3: I'm a single mother essentially.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and from someone who's such a giant outsider in this,
Speaker 5: that's why this works for me.
Speaker 3: I got three very very yes.
Speaker 5: So I want to pose the question to you both
Speaker 5: this morning. I've have very very very firm views on it.
Speaker 4: Can women have it all?
Speaker 5: I'll start being absolutely categorically no, I don't know. You've
Speaker 5: got one job and that's to prove press the button
Speaker 5: that you.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 5: I just think it's the biggest load of bs that
Speaker 5: we've been sold that we can be boss bitches as
Speaker 5: you like to say, Zoe, in the workplace, we can
Speaker 5: dominate here, we can go as high as we want
Speaker 5: in our career, and yet also we can have the
Speaker 5: perfect home life.
Speaker 4: What a load of crap.
Speaker 5: And I, in my experience, have found over the journey,
Speaker 5: at one point, one of them is going to give,
Speaker 5: one of them is going to suffer. You cannot dominate
Speaker 5: at work and then you cannot dominate at home and
Speaker 5: live like this parallel universe where everything's perfect.
Speaker 4: It's just it's a fallacy.
Speaker 3: Are you dominate at home and then bringing poor performances
Speaker 3: or Battle of the Bangers? So no from you, Jody,
Speaker 3: and you're the one with the most life experience.
Speaker 5: Well, I just feel like we were sold this fantasy
Speaker 5: when we were allowed to go into the workplaces, like
Speaker 5: women can do what you want, you can be independent,
Speaker 5: you can go to work. However, you're still going to
Speaker 5: do all the stuff at home, like no one else.
Speaker 4: Is going to do that for you.
Speaker 5: You might have a really you know, committed partner who
Speaker 5: chips in, but let's be on a statistics shows that
Speaker 5: women do most of the heavy domestic lifting.
Speaker 4: Still yes, so.
Speaker 5: Oh no, actually certainly not in my house.
Speaker 7: It greg's wonderful. How do you think, Yeah, I think
Speaker 7: it's a tough one. I was saying to you guys
Speaker 7: before that. Growing up, I think, particularly my generation, it
Speaker 7: was very much like, let's go be a boss woman.
Speaker 7: You want to have the best career and be killing
Speaker 7: it and everyone wants to envy you, and blah blah,
Speaker 7: that's kind of what you're aspiring for. So at twenty, yeah,
Speaker 7: I've got a partner for the first time in a
Speaker 7: long time, but I haven't even thought about a family.
Speaker 7: I don't want to have kids because I don't think
Speaker 7: I can have it all if I have got kids.
Speaker 7: So I think you can't have it all either, unfortunately.
Speaker 7: But also in this new landscape of whatever the world
Speaker 7: looks like now, I think having it all has got
Speaker 7: to be redefined anyway, Like what is having it all?
Speaker 7: You know? Like, is having it all having the perfect
Speaker 7: job and family and husband and all of it, or
Speaker 7: is having it all just killing your career or just
Speaker 7: having the family side or whatever it is. I don't
Speaker 7: think it's possible to have.
Speaker 5: Both yeah, and that expression you're a superwoman because you
Speaker 5: can do all that. Yeah, please give it a rest.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know any women who have fully got it
Speaker 5: together and are fully thriving.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and maybe the problem is that shouldn't be the
Speaker 7: expectation anyway, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I which, weirdly I'm going to admit on this topic
Speaker 2: am kind of an optimist, which I'm not in other parts.
Speaker 3: I know people will be shocked with that.
Speaker 2: I would like to think, yes, you can have it all,
Speaker 2: but I think there's got to be things in place,
Speaker 2: like you've got to have a partner who steps up.
Speaker 2: You've got to have it that they say, you know,
Speaker 2: raising kids, it takes a village. So I think for me, yes,
Speaker 2: I would love to still have a career and then
Speaker 2: you know, down the track, meet someone and have babies
Speaker 2: and things like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a catch twenty two.
Speaker 2: I've also recently, instead of being we talk about you.
Speaker 3: Know, i'll be happy when I'll be happy when.
Speaker 2: I speak a lot about being content, So changing that
Speaker 2: perspective of oh, I'll be happy when I'm in my career,
Speaker 2: I've got kids, I'm married, whereas being more content.
Speaker 3: Maybe is better for us.
Speaker 4: Can I pull you up on something though?
Speaker 3: Of course, who's got a village? Well, that's it.
Speaker 5: We're all paddling madly underwater, trying to keep our heads up.
Speaker 5: I don't have time to help my friends out. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't have time to help my neighbor out.
Speaker 4: There is no village.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're all just doing it for ourselves at the moment,
Speaker 5: and we're all just trying to bloody survive.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you were.
Speaker 5: Optimistic for the first time in your life, for the
Speaker 5: very first time.
Speaker 3: The visitor I killed my dream, Jodie. That's a good
Speaker 3: point of being a village.
Speaker 7: It's hard work. Being members of other people's villages is
Speaker 7: not actually easy. That's also time consuming and hard. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I think, yeah, that's where the redefinition comes from. Like
Speaker 7: for me, I will be a village member for most
Speaker 7: of the people in my life because I probably won't
Speaker 7: have kids of my own. I can help pick up
Speaker 7: some of the slack to help other people have it all.
Speaker 7: But then technically, under the real definition of it, I'm
Speaker 7: not having it all, you know, So it's got to change.
Speaker 7: The definition's got to shift.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you're a wise little chicken. Aren't you what I
Speaker 4: love about you? Very very thoughtful?
Speaker 5: Thirteen twenty four to ten.
Speaker 4: Can we have it all?
Speaker 5: If you're a woman who's sitting there going, well, what
Speaker 5: are they talking about?
Speaker 3: I've got it all?
Speaker 5: I'd love to hear that, but I want to hear
Speaker 5: from you. You could completely and utterly disagree with me, Tana, if.
Speaker 1: You like, no, I'm not going to actually and I
Speaker 1: am not a spring chicken either, so I but I
Speaker 1: agree with Zoe. I think, honestly, how we define what
Speaker 1: it means to you have it all and be fixed
Speaker 1: and do all those things needs to be re evaluated
Speaker 1: and looked at, because sometimes for me, it's just getting
Speaker 1: out of bed, or it's just getting through the day,
Speaker 1: or it's just you know, finishing one small, tiny task.
Speaker 1: And this idea and expectation that women have to give
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty percent to everything all the time
Speaker 1: is completely outrageous, Like that is not sustainable, it is
Speaker 1: not achievable. But that's the expectation that's been set up
Speaker 1: for us by dare I say it's the patriarch.
Speaker 8: Let's just put it out there.
Speaker 1: Gender expectations, gender roles, hundreds of years of history have
Speaker 1: told us that yes, we can have all those things,
Speaker 1: but it comes at a price, and you know what,
Speaker 1: like you said, it's the drowning price. And you do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're on your own, and you know,
Speaker 1: you look at all the women around you and they're
Speaker 1: so strong and they're brave and they're beautiful, and you're like,
Speaker 1: why can't I do it like them? But you know what,
Speaker 1: they're doing it like you?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, No one really talks about it, do they Tana?
Speaker 4: By the way, they don't.
Speaker 8: And this is such a good chat.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm going to cry and it's on the Really,
Speaker 1: that was.
Speaker 5: So articulate and well spoken and exactly how I feel
Speaker 5: about the whole situation. So thank you so much for
Speaker 5: giving us a call just so you know the patriarchy
Speaker 5: that's boys.
Speaker 3: That you.
Speaker 4: See what we have to do with. Thank you.
Speaker 5: That's unbelievably well spoken, unbelievably And I think she's said.
Speaker 4: One Jade, good morning.
Speaker 8: Good morning.
Speaker 3: Can we have it all?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 8: No? I think I think social media right, Yes, woman's
Speaker 8: wise because it's this like it betrays this completely false narrative.
Speaker 8: You see all these women out there who are killing
Speaker 8: it and so successful and so happy in their relationships.
Speaker 8: Everything's perfect, And like the other lady just said, like
Speaker 8: you think, oh, why can't I be like that? But
Speaker 8: I know nobody's actually like that. It's just when you're
Speaker 8: comparing ourselves to things that aren't even through and it's
Speaker 8: not achievable at all. Like I said, I have three kids.
Speaker 8: I work four days a week, which isn't much. I'm
Speaker 8: sort of old school though, I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 8: my partners to have to do lots around the house.
Speaker 8: He works seven days a week, so then I'm trying
Speaker 8: to juggle all these things and trying to make all
Speaker 8: these people happy and making myself extremely frustrated and unhappy
Speaker 8: in the process. It's just I think we just need
Speaker 8: to chill out.
Speaker 4: Jane.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, and please don't ever say working
Speaker 5: four days a week with three kids is not much.
Speaker 5: It's that's the hell of a lot, and it's a
Speaker 5: lot on your plate. So you're doing really well. But
Speaker 5: on that social media front, hazy. I see these women
Speaker 5: who I know for an actual fact a miserable, miserable,
Speaker 5: and they're overworked in this stressed and yet I click
Speaker 5: on their social media and I go, oh my god.
Speaker 7: That's the pressure, isn't it. We're chasing an impossible Stce.
Speaker 5: What are you trying to say here that your life
Speaker 5: is perfection?
Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 5: Anyway, Chloe Eve of morning, good morning.
Speaker 4: Can we have it all?
Speaker 6: I think that's going to depend on how selfish you are.
Speaker 6: If you're very selfish, then yes you can and you
Speaker 6: just take, take, take, and don't give. But then you
Speaker 6: come across as a terrible person if you don't give back.
Speaker 6: So really, it's going to depend on how you want
Speaker 6: to be viewed by people, if you want to be
Speaker 6: viewed as somebody who is very selfish or somebody that
Speaker 6: is not. So really, it's going to be in the
Speaker 6: eye of perception of other people what you want them
Speaker 6: to see.
Speaker 7: I think I agree, you can have more if you're
Speaker 7: willing to just take from the world and do what's
Speaker 7: best solely for you. But like we had this hit
Speaker 7: chat on the phone to us and I said, you
Speaker 7: want to give back. Life's about giving two.
Speaker 5: So well, that depends on what you want your legacy
Speaker 5: to be, right, Yeah, how do you want to be
Speaker 5: remembered Some more pressure.
Speaker 8: What do you want.
Speaker 4: Footprint to be?
Speaker 5: Do you want to be someone who, okay, killing it
Speaker 5: at work, allegedly killing it at home, but then people
Speaker 5: walk out of a room and go, oh, she's not
Speaker 5: a very nice person.
Speaker 4: Tricky one.