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Speaker 1: I'll get a team it to you project. It's doctor

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Speaker 1: Lillian and doctor Tiffany and Fatty Harps at typ Central.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with Doctor Tiffany. I haven't seen you for

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Speaker 1: nearly a week because I've been away. I've been away.

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Speaker 2: I had fear of missing out syndrome over in Queensland,

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Speaker 2: soaking up the rays and doing you amazing stuff, and

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Speaker 2: I was here going, oh, come on, what about me?

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Speaker 3: Come on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you know, we do what we can,

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Speaker 1: you know, just up there kind of connecting with the masses,

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Speaker 1: bit of corporate, bit of public, bit of sun, surf

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Speaker 1: and sand and yeah, it was nice.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but I got

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Speaker 2: really excited. My phone rang, your name came up. I

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Speaker 2: was like, ah, he's thinking on me while he's away.

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Speaker 2: Next minute I pick it up and you're in the

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Speaker 2: middle of your thing. You're doing your thing, you're giving

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Speaker 2: your talk, and I'm like, he's just pocket diled me.

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Speaker 1: Hah, did I ask you in the middle of No,

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Speaker 1: I did not know that. And I will tell you

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Speaker 1: this is the the low light. Sorry, Doc will get

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Speaker 1: to you in one second, the only actual doc on

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Speaker 1: the call. The other the other thing that I did

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Speaker 1: was in my corporate gig. I didn't turn my phone off.

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Speaker 1: So I'm doing a one and a half hour closing

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Speaker 1: keynote for a national conference, and I'm the you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sealing the deal I'm bringing at home. I'm in

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Speaker 1: the zone. I'm fucking I'm on fire. I've got everyone

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Speaker 1: and that that is how to be completely unprofessional. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: So there was that Hi doctor Lillian, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 3: How are you? Tiffany and Craig.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. TIFF's TIFF's got a little nose out of

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Speaker 1: joint because she hasn't you know, has any contact for

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Speaker 1: a week. But she'll be fine. She'll be fine.

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Speaker 3: She has a point. I'm always behind. Yeah, I love

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Speaker 2: These are fast, my very favorite.

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Speaker 1: Do you know that there's something in it for me?

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Speaker 1: I need to go away and reflect because it's so

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Speaker 1: often that I'm the least popular person on my own show,

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Speaker 1: I just it's like I'm a thilling between two bloody

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Speaker 1: virtual roses. I just happen to get in the way anyway.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm here interrupting your little get together, but

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Speaker 1: you'll have to put up with me because it's my show. Now, Doc,

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Speaker 1: I know you've had a lumpy, bumpy year and there's

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Speaker 1: been a few peaks and troughs because you're human. How

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Speaker 3: Today's good. Today's probably the first time I've been in

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Speaker 3: the house by myself for like two hours in five weeks. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: A question, and has that has that solitude in that.

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Speaker 3: I actually am somebody who really loves my own company

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking before about you and also me

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Speaker 1: inverted commas. Like none of us go all right, this

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Speaker 1: What about and this is for both of you, Like

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Speaker 1: or their best self, I'm really interested in how do

431
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Speaker 1: I help you forget work situation, circumstance. How do I

432
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: help you to become resilient? How do I help you

433
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: to be good under pressure? How do I you know,

434
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: so it doesn't need to be one or the other.

435
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it is. There's actually like a

436
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: three pronged approach for workplace well being and one is protect,

437
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: which we just talked about, but one is promote, so

438
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: promote well mental health and wellbeing, and that would be

439
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: through programs like you're talking about. I think a lot

440
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: of businesses don't, and that the last there's three, So

441
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: one is promote, one is protect, and one is respond.

442
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 3: So promoting is really about that, Like you're talking about,

443
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: like how do we lift the skills of people ensure

444
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: that they're you know, you know, managing stress well, they're resilient,

445
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: they know how to communicate well, you know, they've got

446
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: these kind of skills on board. They're aware of like

447
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: what the early warning signs are for mental health issues,

448
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: you intervene early. All of that sort of stuff really important.

449
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 3: I think a lot of businesses have or are people

450
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: leaders of business owners and leaders and managers. They don't.

451
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: They don't. There's so much out there in terms of

452
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: what options in terms of like promoting well being and

453
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: mental health that it's sometimes hard, it's overwhelming, it's hard

454
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: to choose, it's hard to know what's the effective, it's

455
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: hard to know what's evidence based. It's hard. It's hard

456
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: to know what's going to engage their particular workforce. But

457
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: the research is really robust around mental health initiatives being

458
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: a really you know, having a really good return on investment.

459
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: So I think the message is choose wise. Obviously, choose wisely,

460
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: choose things that are you think are relevant for your

461
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: workforce in terms of skilling people up. But choose something

462
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: because choosing something isn't just going to help your you know,

463
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: your team, when your staff feel better, but it's going

464
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 3: to help them think better, it's going to help them

465
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: do better, and that's going to be good for your business.

466
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: So that's really important. And then the respond part is

467
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: really important too. If you do have people on staff

468
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: or a person on staff who isn't performing well or

469
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 3: you know, as you said, is often you know, at

470
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: the highest stress levels, or isn't coping or having interpersonal issues,

471
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: you have to know how to respond to that effectively.

472
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean as a manager or a business

473
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: owner that you're the mental health professional all of a sudden,

474
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: it's more of like, how do you have a conversation

475
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: with someone that you can see is having issues and

476
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: then have the the avenues for appropriate kind of responses

477
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: to that. And that might be internal, it might be external.

478
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, I completely agree with you. You can't just

479
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: focus on one thing. It's to be our three and

480
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 3: that's a lot though. That's a lot for especially small,

481
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: small and medium sized businesses to kind of manage. But

482
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: they will have to and it's important too, and it's

483
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: actually if they do, it will be good for their business.

484
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: It won't detract from tho reasons.

485
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: Do you know what I find really interesting the way

486
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: that you know, obviously I'm old as fuck, but the

487
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: way that our thinking around career has changed over the years.

488
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: Like my dad got a job, you know, in seventeen

489
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: forty two. You know, you get a job, and then

490
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: you do the job, and your rock up to work

491
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: and it's like, has he got a job. He's got

492
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: a job. Oh, that's great, he's got a job. And

493
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: then and then he got another job and they paid

494
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: a bit more money in the other job, so he

495
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: got a better job. And not that that's bad, of course,

496
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: but like in the old days, it was like, well,

497
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: you get a job, and you get a job because

498
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: you get a job that pays money and there's security

499
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: and there's money and then and not that that's the

500
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: best model, and that's just how it was. Yeah, And

501
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: the way that we think about work now and the

502
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: way that we you know that all the different possibilities

503
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: with producing income and working online and offline and technology

504
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: and all of the variables that we have now and

505
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: we can work you know, I know, I reckon. I

506
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: know seven or eight people who now live in Bali

507
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: ozsies who live in Ballein and work remotely and you know,

508
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: and then most of them are going great. I've had

509
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: one of them on this show. And you know, it's

510
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: just such an interesting thing. The way that we work is.

511
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever been changing as rapidly as

512
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: it is in twenty twenty five. The possibilities for producing income,

513
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, our career, our job, like, it's never been

514
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: more dynamic than now. Where everything from fucking only fans,

515
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, here's my whatever. Everyone I tried, it didn't

516
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: work well? Who knew? Who knew that a big nose

517
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't pull the crowds. But anyway, you know, through through,

518
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: you know through to Like I saw this lady the

519
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: other day at down the beach and she was walking

520
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: eight dogs and I went, how's that? And she's like,

521
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: it's this is my dream job. And I said what.

522
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't know specifically what she did before, but I

523
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: as in, I said, how long you've been doing that?

524
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: She said like five years. It's built up and she goes,

525
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm booked out. I'm in undated. She goes, but and

526
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: you could tell she loved what she's I'm like, isn't

527
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: that weird? I don't know how much he makes, but

528
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: I got the idea she does pretty well. And she's

529
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: at the beach walking with eight dogs and she's a

530
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: dog lover. Who knew that could be YouTube in eight years?

531
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: Five years?

532
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: One dog and a cat mate?

533
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but isn't it weird the way that we can

534
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: make like is us three talking on this thing that's

535
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: called a podcast that trying to explain this, having a

536
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: conversation in real time and looking at people and hearing

537
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: people explain this fifty years ago, and then you know

538
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: we're sponsored for it. You know, we make money. That's

539
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: like this is a job, like right now we're producing income. Yeah,

540
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm so different.

541
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: Now it is different. I'm for sure. The drivers for

542
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: the generations before us were money and stability, like that's

543
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: financial security, Like that's what it was. And now it's

544
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: much more about quality of life and flexibility and more

545
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: values aligned work. And because it's values aligned, you can

546
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: go in so many different directions because people have different

547
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: values and you know, different preferences and wants and likes

548
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: and different lifestyles. So that's where you see that innovation

549
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: and how people are working, and it's only going to

550
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: get more and more so as I mean, who knows

551
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: what's going to happen in the next ten years because

552
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: the technological advances that we will see in the next

553
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: ten years, I don't think we can even really anticipate.

554
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: Really we can talk about it, but we don't really

555
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: know how that's going to change everything. So it'll be

556
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: really interesting, like for me to see how my kids fare.

557
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: They're teenagers, so their career trajectory is going to be

558
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: really different potentially. Potentially. Of course, there are still people

559
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: who are driven by money and security and stability, and

560
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: that's completely fine because that's their values might be that.

561
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's good to have the options that we

562
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: have now. Like when I was growing up, you know,

563
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: and this is like so many families that I talk to,

564
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: you know, of the gen X generation, especially like people

565
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: like migrants from other countries like moving to Australia or

566
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: the US to you know, give their kids a better life.

567
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: They the only options were lawyer, doctor, engineer. There were

568
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: no other jobs. Those are the things that you can be.

569
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: So now, you know, like with my kids, I'm like, oh,

570
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: it's open, like whatever you want to do, you know,

571
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: like find the things that you like, pursue those things,

572
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: see if they you know, how they materialize into something

573
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: that you want to do for work.

574
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: It was when I decided I was going to be

575
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: a personal trainer. There wasn't a whole lot of endorsement

576
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: or support, Like nobody knew what that was. Yeah, my

577
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: mom and dad were like worried. They would talk to

578
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: me about you know, I mean this was nine and

579
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: eighty six. I started working in gyms in nineteen eighty

580
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: two when I was eighteen, and of course that wasn't

581
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: the hard watermark success for them. And then I started

582
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: doing this thing, which is one on one coaching with people,

583
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: and that's not even a real industry. There's no qualification,

584
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: there's no industry, there's no insurance, there's no regulation, it's

585
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: not even a thing. It's definitely not going to work,

586
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, but I totally understand that. Yeah,

587
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, things are just things are just always evolving,

588
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: and I think it's trying to figure out how to

589
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: for me. I'm I'm not lazy, but I don't want

590
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: to do stuff that I hate. I know, sometimes to

591
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: get where I want to go, there'll be something that

592
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: in the moment or on that day or that week

593
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: or that month, or like even doing as you know,

594
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: a PhD. The actual journey is not fun. But there

595
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: is some fun. There's definitely growing and learning, but a

596
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: lot of it is like, well, this is a thing

597
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: that I have to do to get the outcome I want.

598
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: And I get that, but as much as I can

599
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: when it comes to my work, I want to live

600
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: at the intersection of and fun and making a few

601
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: dollars and learning some things and serving people. And how

602
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: do I create this thing where I'm ticking all these

603
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: boxes and making a few bucks and I think a

604
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that there's a lot more

605
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: potential for them than settling for And I'm not saying

606
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: who's settling or not, but I feel like a lot

607
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: of people do settle. And I know it's not easy

608
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: for everyone, but you know, people who basically do a

609
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: job they don't love in an industry or an area

610
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: they don't love, in an environment they don't love for

611
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: twenty years but don't Yeah, I know, yeah, you know.

612
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: I guess the flip side though, like you know, we're

613
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: all in doing our own kind of stuff in different ways.

614
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: There it is a lot. There's a lot going on

615
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: behind the scenes to get to where like you are,

616
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: Craig for instance, like to be able to make a

617
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: buck from from having the life that you want, the

618
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 3: fund the flexibility to serving people, which is I think

619
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: what all three of us want to do and like

620
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: to do. I think that there's a trade off sometimes,

621
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: like yes, you have more freedom and flexibility to make

622
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: your own choices, but it is sometimes hard to keep

623
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: the boundaries with work clear. Because you're your own boss.

624
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: You can see things to do, You're just going to

625
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: do it, and that might be like do it until

626
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: midnight or like do it over the weekend, or like

627
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: whatever you want to do. There is stress associated, there's loneliness,

628
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: like if you don't have a team around you, like

629
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: working with you, and you're starting your own business. And

630
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: because I came from working for hospitals and universities to

631
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: doing my own thing, and I really missed the team

632
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: atmosphere that I had. I loved the team that I

633
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: worked with. I didn't leave because I didn't like what

634
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: I was doing. I left because I wanted more freedom

635
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 3: of flexibility. But with that came a lot of hard

636
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 3: like a lot of learning, like steep learning curve, lots

637
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: of different like hats I have to put on now

638
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: that I don't have to put on before. So I

639
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: so I do like if you are thinking about moving

640
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: into your your own thing, like I don't want like

641
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: rose colored glasses with that either. Like yeah, that you

642
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: get some you know, you get to choose your own

643
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: hours and things, but there's you're you're losing some stuff too,

644
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Speaker 3: and you're also having to skill yourself up in ways

645
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: that you might not be expecting. So yeah, I mean,

646
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: I would just say I don't want people to be

647
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Speaker 3: stuck in a job that they hate. Like, I don't

648
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: think that that's necessary necessarily either. But if you do

649
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: like your job, there's nothing I mean, there's that's I

650
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 3: think it's great to work with, you know, organizations and teams,

651
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: there's there is more secure already, there is more support

652
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: sometimes when you're working within an organization or a business.

653
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Speaker 3: I really liked. I really liked both.

654
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for a lot of people. I think

655
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: for most people, doing what I do is would be

656
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. You know, I don't think so I'm

657
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: not suggesting everybody if I say, I'm not suggesting everybody

658
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, jumps out of their job. But I think

659
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: like if you're an environment or a situation or a

660
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: career and a company and an organization that it ticks

661
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: most of the boxes, then I wouldn't even think about it.

662
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: But it's more, I mean, I do talk to it.

663
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: Very few people sit down in front of me and go,

664
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Speaker 1: I love my job, it's great, my boss, the culture

665
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: is amazing. I really like what I'm doing. Those people

666
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: don't come to me. I have the other people. There

667
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: are very few people who come to me and say,

668
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, the organization's great, my boss is great. I

669
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Speaker 1: get excited to go to work. I mean, those people exist,

670
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: but they don't book in with me, right, and so yeah,

671
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. And I think also the

672
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Speaker 1: truth is whether or not it's with diet or lifestyle

673
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Speaker 1: or Korea. Different things work for different people. I just

674
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Speaker 1: get a bit sad when I'm talking to someone who's really,

675
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Speaker 1: you know, forty or fifty years old or older or

676
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: younger or whatever, and they basically miserable, and they've been

677
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Speaker 1: miserable for a long time. But I see them the

678
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: potential to not be miserable, but they're too scared, so

679
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: they'd rather stay in the two out of ten situation

680
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Speaker 1: because it's familiar. Yes, And then you wake up and

681
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Speaker 1: now it's two thousand and thirty and you're still doing

682
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Speaker 1: the two out of ten because you're too scared to

683
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Speaker 1: step into the unknown. Ah, But what if I get

684
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Speaker 1: out of the two and it's a fucking one.

685
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Speaker 4: Well, if you get out of the two and it's

686
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Speaker 4: a nine. In the middle of stepping out of the two,

687
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: you build courage and strength and resilience and understanding. And

688
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: what if if you get fucking excited and what if

689
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Speaker 4: it's awesome?

690
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, totally.

691
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Speaker 1: There's so much of how you think and yeah, you've

692
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Speaker 1: got to do. And I mean I had jobs. I

693
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: had multiple jobs where I were, you know, from when

694
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Speaker 1: I was eighteen to when I was twenty six. I

695
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: had eight years of employers, you know, and I worked

696
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Speaker 1: multiple jobs at a time. I always had at least

697
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Speaker 1: two jobs, so I always had at least two bosses

698
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Speaker 1: and employers. But I mean, you know, we spend so

699
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Speaker 1: much of our life working. Yeah, whether and whether or

700
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Speaker 1: not that's for someone else or ourselves, but imagine if

701
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Speaker 1: you know, on some level you associated your job with

702
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Speaker 1: joy and work and growth and happiness and fulfillment, not

703
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Speaker 1: just obligation and security and money.

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Speaker 3: Yes, totally agree, And that can look different for different people,

705
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Speaker 3: whatever that ends up being. And I see people who

706
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: are stuck as well, just like in a job that

707
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Speaker 3: they don't like. They don't like the culture, they don't

708
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 3: like the work. There's too many demands. They're getting burnt out,

709
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: and like you said, but they're not doing anything about it.

710
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 3: It's like you can do something about it, and then

711
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: you know, like one day they do and suddenly they're

712
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Speaker 3: in a new position and they're so much happier and

713
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, you know, congratulations for taking that step.

714
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Speaker 3: But sometimes it can take people a really long time

715
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Speaker 3: to take those those steps.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, and it's scary, and that's okay, it's scary, you know,

717
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Speaker 1: and I think that it comes back to me. It's

718
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Speaker 1: like in my ten week course that I do that

719
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Speaker 1: I'm not running one at the moment. My mentorship the

720
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Speaker 1: first week. The first week is called life design, and

721
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Speaker 1: we just talk about designing your life as in intentionally

722
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Speaker 1: thinking about, oh, you know, think about if you are

723
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Speaker 1: going to build a house. You go, oh, well, would

724
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Speaker 1: this many bedrooms? Is many bathrooms? You design it. We

725
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: want these colors, we want these finishes, these fittings, these doors, this.

726
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Speaker 1: You know, you plan all this and you spend months,

727
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Speaker 1: maybe years, planning it, and then you execute it, and

728
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Speaker 1: then you build it. And then and then if you

729
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Speaker 1: say to someone, now, what's more important your life or

730
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Speaker 1: your house? They go, well, of course, my life is

731
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Speaker 1: more important than my house. And then I say, so,

732
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Speaker 1: how much time do you spend intentionally designing and constructing

733
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Speaker 1: and creating this life that you want to inhabit? Because

734
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Speaker 1: the most part is we don't. We kind of just

735
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Speaker 1: get up and do what we did yesterday, and then

736
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Speaker 1: we go, oh, fuck, now I'm fifty, you know, so

737
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Speaker 1: there's so and I've done it, and I'm not trying

738
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Speaker 1: to throw anyone under the bus. But it's very easy

739
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Speaker 1: when you're a human and because your life already has

740
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Speaker 1: energy and momentum, you know, to kind of fall out

741
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Speaker 1: of bed and step back into the momentum that is

742
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Speaker 1: your life that's not particularly rewarding, fulfilling or producing a

743
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Speaker 1: lot of joy or growth or stimulation. It is very

744
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Speaker 1: hard to interrupt that and to make hard decisions and

745
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Speaker 1: literally start to step out of the repetition and the

746
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Speaker 1: unconsciousness and go, right, I'm going to consciously and intentionally

747
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Speaker 1: and bravely change what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, a lot We mostly run on automatic thoughts

749
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: and behaviors and unless we intentionally say, hold on a second,

750
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Speaker 3: what am I actually thinking? What am I actually doing?

751
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Speaker 3: And is this what I'm wanting for myself? And yeah,

752
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Speaker 3: I think we're all three of us are in the

753
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: same business helping people build a life that they want

754
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Speaker 3: for themselves, or build a life worth living, and we

755
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 3: all just do it in slightly different ways. But it's

756
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: but yeah, anyone who's listening, who wants to make changes

757
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Speaker 3: in their lives. Like I think, I think we can

758
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: all say with some definitiveness that it is possible to

759
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 3: change your life for the better. But it takes it

760
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: just takes that courage and that effort to move forward.

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Speaker 1: If you had an alternate reality, In this alternate reality,

762
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Speaker 1: both of you, you could do any dream job and

763
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Speaker 1: you would be a success at it right or anything,

764
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Speaker 1: any field, any career, any role, and and you would

765
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Speaker 1: be great at it. So you're not You're not you, Tiff,

766
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Speaker 1: You're not well. You're not doing what you're doing. Tiff

767
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: and Lilian, you're not doing what you're doing. And there's

768
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Speaker 1: no there doesn't have to be any logic. It doesn't matter.

769
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Speaker 1: You could say I want to be a fucking race

770
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Speaker 1: car driver or an astronaut, or I want to cure cancer,

771
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Speaker 1: But like, what is what is something that in an

772
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Speaker 1: alternate reality you would like to do as a job?

773
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Speaker 1: Tiff will start with you.

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Speaker 2: I just want to be better at doing me. I

775
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't change what I'm doing, I don't think, but I

776
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: would get where I want to go or be, or

777
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: I would do it better, which would open up more

778
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: choices and probably take me in new directions. I would

779
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Speaker 2: not get stuck in cycles or I would not you know,

780
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Speaker 2: I would reach potential. So I think that, yeah, there's

781
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Speaker 2: nothing that I go, oh, I definitely do that. Maybe

782
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Speaker 2: that maybe no, maybe something with animals.

783
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Speaker 1: You'll be that lady at the beach, doc.

784
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Speaker 3: I mean, how long do you have, Craig. Honestly, like,

785
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a person who there's somebody said tennis player.

786
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: Is that what you were going to say?

787
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Speaker 3: One of like five different things? Yes, I'm a multi

788
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: passionate person. I like a lot of things. So the

789
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Speaker 3: first thing that came to mind was professional athlete, not

790
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 3: necessarily tennis player. I like team sports too, Like that's

791
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: probably even more fun. But then I'm like, oh, would

792
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: be great to be like in the movie industry and

793
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: like create art that helps people and like reaches so

794
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: many people and there's such a creative process and again

795
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: working with the team as well, like with your skills. So,

796
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Speaker 3: I mean, there are so many things, too many things

797
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Speaker 3: to list. I want like five or five clones of

798
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Speaker 3: me so I can actually do all the things that

799
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Speaker 3: I want.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's always good chatting with both of you. How

801
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: can people find you and connect with you, Doctor Lillian.

802
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: I have a look at doctor Lillian nja dot com.

803
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 3: That's the best place.

804
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Speaker 1: Hid yup, butter Cup.

805
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Speaker 2: If you holding up your pen so I am holding

806
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Speaker 2: up my listening to me, pin pray, Anthony, what would

807
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Speaker 2: you do in an alternately, thank you too?

808
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: Excellent question.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit like you. There's not both of you.

810
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Speaker 1: There's not a single thing like I. I would like

811
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: to do certain things, but not for the reason that

812
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: it seems like sometimes I wish I had have done medicine.

813
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: I think I would have made an okay doctor. But

814
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Speaker 1: then I don't think no disrespect me sitting being a

815
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Speaker 1: GP forever. I would have loved that. I would have

816
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: liked to have done medicine and then used that as

817
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: a player form to other stuff. I think I've got

818
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: a few right, so get comfy. I think I would

819
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Speaker 1: have loved and hated being in the military, like I

820
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: think that's such a It's really I'm a bit weird

821
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Speaker 1: because I hate war, like I just wish there was

822
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: no war, but there is. And I think defending people

823
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: and protecting people and defending your company a country and

824
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: serving Although I hate war it sounds ridiculous, but I

825
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: think I might have been not a bad soldier.

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Speaker 3: With the routine and like the everyday like doing the

827
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 3: same thing every day have driven you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have been all right when I was younger. Yeah,

829
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Speaker 1: Like I'm very disciplined. If I want to do something.

830
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: If I don't want to do it, I'm dog with

831
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: three dicks. I'm fucking hopeless. But and probably the which

832
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: maybe will at won't surprise anyone. I would love to

833
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: be a stand up comic. I just am not brave enough,

834
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: like I Yeah, I just think I love laughing. I

835
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: love funny people. I love foshit. I love that, and

836
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Speaker 1: I you know, being able to be on stage where

837
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: you can actually be inappropriate, you can say dumb shit,

838
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: you can be although these days it's a bit harder,

839
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: I guess, but like literally, your job is to make

840
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: people laugh. That's the that's the job description. Stand up there,

841
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: be funny, tell stupid stories, great connection builder, Paul read

842
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: the room, make people laugh. Yeah, for me, that would be.

843
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: But I then think, like, whatever it is, I would

844
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: like to be successful at it so then I could

845
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: do some good with it, you know, I'd like to

846
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: be able to leverage off that, whatever that means. Anyway,

847
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Speaker 1: it's been real Tiff Doc, have a good afternoon.

848
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Speaker 3: Good to see guys. Thanks, bye bye