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Speaker 1: Welcome to the mentor. I'm i Boris Charlie Puchalla. Hi,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Mentor.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And so you're the co founder of Push Constructions and

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Speaker 1: Charlie's Interiors author as well. Now now, yes, now an

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Speaker 1: author as well. We'll talk about that a little bit later.

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Speaker 1: But Chala, where's that from?

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Speaker 2: It's Polish?

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Speaker 1: You're from Poland. I am born there, I was, Yes,

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Speaker 1: And Charlie, what's your real name?

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Speaker 2: So official name is Justina Eva Puchalla and I've been

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Speaker 2: Charlie since I was about fifteen years of age.

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Speaker 1: Right, okay, Charlie stuck. When do you come to Australia

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Speaker 1: when I was eight eight years of age? And whereabouts

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Speaker 1: in Australia did you land?

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Speaker 2: Well, in Western Australia and in a tiny little village

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Speaker 2: called donny Brook and Irish village. Well, I'm not sure sure.

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Speaker 2: It's a very rural little community just outside of Margaret River.

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Speaker 2: So it was quite quite the change coming from Europe

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Speaker 2: to desert land and middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, actually donny Brook is a place in Ireland,

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Speaker 1: in the Republic of Ireland. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you knew this, but when I was growing up, if

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Speaker 1: you got into a Donnybrook means you got into a fight,

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Speaker 1: because because donny Brook was in Ireland, was famous for

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Speaker 1: was a fighter. It was in a blue what we

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Speaker 1: call here in Australia blue. And I didn't know there

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Speaker 1: was based in West Australia called donny Brook, which is

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Speaker 1: quite interesting. Must have been sort of settled there by Irish.

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Speaker 1: So Donnybrook is you said, near the Margaret River.

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Speaker 2: Yes, about half an hour away from Margaret.

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Speaker 1: So the Margaret River is where all the famous wines

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Speaker 1: come from. Of course, it's very famous for its surfing

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Speaker 1: and a lot of my mates still serve down there.

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Speaker 2: Have you been there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been there, stayed there. There's a hotel. I

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Speaker 1: come from that now, but I stayed there many many

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Speaker 1: donning Brook is east of that?

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Speaker 2: Is that right? Please? I have no idea with the directions,

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Speaker 2: but I suspect so, yes, Inland.

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Speaker 1: It's Inland. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and it's east of that,

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Speaker 1: which is probably a little drier than Margaret River.

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Speaker 2: Would be it is, yeah, definitely, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because Mike Rivers got a lot of trees and

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Speaker 1: a lot of vineyards and stuff like that. It's must

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Speaker 1: have been a real, like massive change for you. Where

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Speaker 1: about some Poland, I should arts because you might have

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Speaker 2: I was actually, yeah, so I was from the countryside.

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Speaker 2: But it was vastly different, so very green, rolling hills,

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Speaker 2: quite architectural, if you can imagine a lovely chocolate box image,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of how I grew up.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And then came across and very flat and very brown

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Speaker 1: Why did you come? Why did your family come to Australia?

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Speaker 2: My father was over here and so obviously we immigrated already,

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Speaker 2: so we immigrated to be with him. So that was

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Speaker 2: the motivation behind coming here, and then yet we stayed.

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Speaker 1: What do you remembers being I mean you're only young,

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was completely different everything about it, right, So,

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Speaker 2: we had a farmhouse, but there were no indoor bathroom facilities.

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Speaker 2: like you've pointed out, it seemed about twenty years behind

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Speaker 1: So no snakes, no crocodiles, no sharks, no spiders.

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Speaker 2: No, and everybody knows everybody, so you can't walk, you know,

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Speaker 1: Different, beautiful village of life. Yeah, something to be said

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, I know that's great.

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Speaker 1: No, when you came to Australia, obviously, when a school here,

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Speaker 1: What's the story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting journey. As I've been writing, I've

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Speaker 2: kind of gone there. It's been a you know, what

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Speaker 2: are the chances won in a billion? Maybe maybe less?

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure. I think I think universal alignment.

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Speaker 2: I think having a really adventurous and curious mind, and

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Speaker 2: I've always just had the thought of there has to

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Speaker 2: I think when I was younger, I had the thought

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Speaker 2: So I think that that's fundamentally what's put me where

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, fear does hold a lot of us back.

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Speaker 1: And then there's that all saying, you know, don't let

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Speaker 2: to me that is the most valuable asset we have time,

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Speaker 1: Is it because Charlie wants to taste every loll in

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want every lolly in the shop, some

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Speaker 2: No. I just think from a global viewpoint, on a

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Speaker 2: what is the legacy that I'm leaving behind, What is

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Speaker 1: So don't mean, Charlie, don't mean environmentally though footprint?

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Speaker 2: You mean well, of course, so do construction, So a

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Speaker 1: Well, no, of course, not more about what you will

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Speaker 1: So what would you say, what would you say, Childie,

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Speaker 1: that's sort of what you are in your servicing, we're

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Speaker 2: But.

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Speaker 2: I think that's your motivation. Work out what your motivation

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Speaker 2: Challenge is an interesting word, right, so we come up

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Speaker 2: I really used to battle with that thinking I'm just

438
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: as smart as that guy, probably smarter maybe, and I

439
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: certainly work harder, and I can solve challenges and I

440
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: can risk assess better. So why do they feel or

441
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: think that I am of no value or contribution? And

442
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 2: then I worked out pretty quickly that it's actually better

443
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: for me if they do underestimate me, and if they

444
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: do undervalue me, and if they do disregard me, because

445
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: it gave me the ability to quietly just get on

446
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: with doing what I needed to do being largely unnoticed.

447
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: So by the time they called onto the fact that,

448
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: hold on a second, who's this new competitor that we're

449
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: up against. I was too far ahead for them to

450
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: catch me. So I think the biggest challenge for me

451
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: was really to change that mindset I suppose of trying

452
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: to prove your worth as opposed to just going I

453
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: don't really care what you think. I'm going to do

454
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: what I think I want to do, just get on

455
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: with it. Kind of just get on with it, but

456
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: get on with it in a way where you're not

457
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: screaming it from the rooftops. You're just doing what you

458
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: need to do. And that's a big difference. Some people

459
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: get on with it quite loudly and publicly and really

460
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: make a show and dance side of it, and some

461
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: people just get on with it because they genuinely believe

462
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: in it and do it. So I kind of just

463
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: got on with it quietly, and it was a really

464
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 2: valuable lesson for me, and I'm glad that I learned

465
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: it very quickly, because it's certainly the way that I

466
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: operate throughout. I don't feel that I need to prove

467
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: my value or my success to anyone. If people are interested,

468
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to share, but I don't feel like

469
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: I owe anyone an apology or an explanation, and I

470
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: certainly don't feel like I need validation from other people

471
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: to be able to go. I can do that, and

472
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: I can do it well, and I'm happy to continue

473
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Speaker 2: to do it. So it big challenge. And I think

474
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: most women in business feel and continue to feel that

475
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: they do need the validation, and a lot of them

476
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: seek recognition, a lot of them seek.

477
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Speaker 1: Affirmation.

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, why like that? Does you know?

479
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: I just love to do what I love to do

480
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: for many reasons. I think when I look at the

481
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: way that women operating business and men operate in business,

482
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if this is going to be politically correct,

483
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: but I'll say it anyway. Men love recognition and they

484
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: love success. Women also love recognition and they love success.

485
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 2: But women also want to be liked. And it's that

486
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: liked that, really, I feel, prevents them long term and

487
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: short term from really genuinely achieving success. Cause if you

488
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: want to be truly successful in business, a lot of

489
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: the decisions that you have to make on a daily

490
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: basis are not likable decisions. So men don't suffer from

491
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: you have to like me, women carry that thought you

492
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: have to like me. I don't and I never have.

493
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't need someone's validation. I don't

494
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: need for people to like me as long as everyone

495
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: has a job at the end of the year and

496
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: the company is even more successful than the year before

497
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: than I've done my job. If you like me, awesome.

498
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 2: If you don't, you don't. So I think it's really

499
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: really important for women in business, if they are wanting success,

500
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: to really drop that like you don't need to be liked.

501
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: There's a difference between being a good person and being

502
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: fair and being reasonable to being liked.

503
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: So it's very interesting. And in your industry you're going

504
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: to have trades.

505
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: People, Yes, that's love the trader is.

506
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: That's how it works because you don't go and dig

507
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: the hole yourself or do the.

508
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: Is it? But I have been known to dig a

509
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: few holes.

510
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: Is it difficult for a woman to get what is

511
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: probably definitely has been, don't know if it's still is today,

512
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: but largely dominated trades men, hasn't been. Was it difficult

513
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: for you to sort of say, look, we just want

514
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: to tend to build blah blah, we're looking for internet,

515
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: your contracts to trade is to price in, you know,

516
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: and you're looking to get the best possible price, but

517
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: also competent people to do the job. Was it difficult

518
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: for you to I recruit those sorts of individuals and

519
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: or retain them.

520
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: Gosh, we're speaking about it a long time ago. My

521
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: immediate response is to no. But then obviously I would

522
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: hire people in senior management and then staff below them

523
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: to manage those resources. So I have a great deal

524
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: of women working as estimators, as site managers, supervisors. And

525
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: my response to that is no. I think that the

526
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: concept of tradees may be somewhat different to the reality.

527
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: And sure you get one or two cowboys, you always do,

528
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: but generally speaking, no, I go out to site several

529
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: times per week, depending on which projects running at the time,

530
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: and I have never in sixteen seventeen years ever had

531
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: anyone speak to me offensively, or not considered what I

532
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: was saying, or not value my input if I had any,

533
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: or not be reasonable with me. So no, I don't

534
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: think so. But I think again, it comes down to

535
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: your approach to how you approach people and how you

536
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: communicate with them. So I think, like anythink right. Hospitality

537
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: industry construction industry. What your approach is with people will

538
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: ultimately give you the end results.

539
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: There's been a lot too recently about the unions. Do

540
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: you do you have to deal do you have to

541
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: deal with this?

542
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: If not in government work? Now I really know they

543
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: don't have jurisdiction.

544
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's that's a blessing, I guess in some respects,

545
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: or at least from what I readcause I wouldn't know.

546
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm not in that industry, but it looks like it

547
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: makes it a blessing. And so, but you haven't stopped

548
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: the construction like, so I see that you've got Push Interiors,

549
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: but you mentioned earlier on that's sort of like a

550
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: developer as well. So what are you are You're moving.

551
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: Into Charlie's Interiors.

552
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: Sorry, Charlie's Interiors, I should say, yeah, you're right, Charlie's Interiors.

553
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: It is your interior. It's not the surname business. But

554
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Are you trying to expand your

555
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: realm of within the construction industry, like, because that's sort

556
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: of like getting into the more esoteric design stuff.

557
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think that's not a new company. I've

558
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: been around for about ten years, eight years ago. Quite seriously,

559
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: I think a number of reasons. For me, I get

560
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: bored very easy, and I think that when I do

561
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: something and do it well, I then look for the

562
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: next challenge. And so for me, I really wanted an

563
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: outlet which was a lot more creative, and most importantly,

564
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: I really wanted to do something a little bit different

565
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: and I'll go back to leaving a better footprint and

566
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: a legacy behind. So when I wanted to do residential development,

567
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: I had the thought or the concept of buying my

568
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: own homes in the Sydney Eastern suburbs, then actually designing

569
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: them myself externally and internally, and selling them fully furnished

570
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: into the marketplace. Taking that one step further, I really

571
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: wanted to go offshore, go overseas and look at the

572
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: factories that are producing the sofas, the chairs, the cuttery,

573
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: the crockery, you name it, the cushions, and so I

574
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: did that. I went to India eight years ago, nine

575
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: years ago, and I think I visited twenty factories that

576
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: were operating indifferent fields, and I was so disheartened, I

577
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: suppose by the manufacturing process and how harmful it was

578
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: environmentally as well as to the people that were producing

579
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: the products. So I think out of those twenty factories,

580
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: I ended up working with two when I came back

581
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: to Australia, and I just thought, I wonder if I

582
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: can actually make things better, do things better, make things better?

583
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: So as in manufacturing, Yeah, as.

584
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: In manufacturing the chemicals, the dies, the people at factory

585
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: that are producing products. How much are we buying in

586
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: for what's the point of it? Like holistically just looking

587
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 2: at it and thinking, well, how can I start making

588
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: real changes as much as I can. I'm only one person.

589
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: How can I really make real changes from the ground up?

590
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: And so I thought, well, I'll sell these properly properties,

591
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: fully furnished, make them incredible and beautiful. The one thing

592
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: that everybody struggles with when they buy a new home

593
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: is there it's never enough money for furniture to go

594
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: in it. You end up carrying your old grotty sofas

595
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: that don't fit or you know, the toddlers. It's problematic,

596
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: and then it takes you years to save up. Yeah.

597
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: So I thought, well, if I can introduce a concept

598
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: into the marketplace where you just buy a house and

599
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: it's all included, the banks will mortgage to the whole house.

600
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: They don't care what's in it or not in it. Right,

601
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: So if I can build beautiful homes and then fully

602
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: furnish them, who isn't going to be buying that home?

603
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: Particularly if things are beautiful, they're environmentally made, everything's been considered,

604
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: and I controlled the manufacturing process wherever I'm manufacturing at.

605
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: So that was the whole point of it, and the

606
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: whole concept was born. And then of course I approached

607
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: real estate agents with the idea and they all laughed

608
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: at me and said, don't be ridiculous. Is going to

609
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: do that? And I thought I'd do it anyway, So

610
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: I did. And my last property I think was on

611
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: the market for two days before it's sold. So here

612
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: we are.

613
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: It works. It work because people don't want to go

614
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: through the hassle I mean, I mean if as long

615
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: as it's a good outcome, as long as it's.

616
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: Attractive, always attractive.

617
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: Last, I reckon's the most punishing thing furnishing a joint

618
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: like where do you go? Which like? And you never

619
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: can get it on time. They say we'll get away

620
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: twelve weeks or whatever it is if that, and then

621
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: when it's twelve week subjects usually another three months or

622
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: some problem, especially during the COVID period because everything was delayed.

623
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: So what other things have you done apart from your

624
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: Charlie's interiors? I mean, what are the creative outlets have

625
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: you been able to indulge yourself in as a result

626
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: of having such a successful construction, Because that's what it's

627
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: all about. It's about having the income and the stability

628
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: of income and the consistency of income that allows you

629
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: then to go off and have other adventures, other adventures

630
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: to satisfy let's say, in your case a creative outlet.

631
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: What are the things you've been done apart from Charlie's interior.

632
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: I have a few lifestyle properties which I started.

633
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: What's that mean?

634
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: So country properties that I do short holiday rentals and

635
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: short term rentals for my Kangaroo Valley property actually won

636
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: Gold Property of the Year last year in Australia through

637
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: Home and Away in Stays, so and I started that

638
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: eleven years ago. So I kind of every few years

639
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: seem to pick something up where I go. I'd love

640
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: to have a goal at that and then I'll go

641
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: do it and once it's successful, I'll move on to something.

642
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: Else to be around real estate, though I think.

643
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: It's I mean, look, it's sound investment, I particularly held

644
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: long term, so it makes sense. Stable, it's stable if

645
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: you make the right decisions. It's just as easy to

646
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: lose money if you make the wrong ones. So it's

647
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: not quite you know, by a house. I'll make money right,

648
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: you know that? So I think think some of it is. Yet.

649
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: I started a very small fashion label about five years ago. Yeah,

650
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: it's just time I went closed.

651
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, but then again, organic fabrics, organic dies,

652
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: and really paying homage to making sure production is adhered

653
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: to and call values of who I am and fundamentally

654
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Speaker 3: believe in.

655
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Speaker 1: So I hope yeah, yeah, So I would love to

656
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Speaker 1: continue with that.

657
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: This year has been a little bit too busy, so

658
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: I haven't had time to focus on that at all.

659
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: But hopefully next year I'll jump back in. I don't know.

660
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: I fly. I just got my pilot's license, so so

661
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: I took that up a year and a half ago.

662
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: I rock climb. I travel a lot. I love to travel,

663
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: and when I'm in I travel, I adventure travel so Mongolia,

664
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 2: India every year, obvious places also, but I really love

665
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: to travel, so desert it's mountains, really out of the

666
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: way places.

667
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: And these are these things you said right at the

668
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: beginning that you want to do in the limited time

669
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: that you have. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's sort

670
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: of adventure.

671
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think. Look, I think I think as we

672
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: get older, it's very easy to forget about fun and

673
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: adventure and excitement, and so we get so caught up,

674
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: or we tend to get so caught up in our

675
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: everyday lives, and nobody ever taps you on this shoulder

676
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: and go you're not having fun, Like when was the

677
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: last time you had fun?

678
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: Or when my last time?

679
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, was the last time you had some adventure? And

680
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: so those things don't happen. You have alarm clocks to

681
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: get you up, you have you know, work schedules to

682
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: tell you when you have to do whatever. But there's

683
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: no such thing as someone.

684
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: Going to my life. That's my life, alarms going off.

685
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: This is the same do talk on the radio every

686
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: single morning for however many years. But you see, Charlie

687
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: said something a moment ago that you've been too busy,

688
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: because you haven't been busy this year. You have got

689
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: a book, and I'm going to get you to tell

690
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: me the name of the book, because I put it

691
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: this way, there are words in there which I got

692
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: my attention. But tell me about what is the name?

693
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: First and foremost? This is your debut book, your first book.

694
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: What is the name of your book?

695
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: So it's called sex Control and Money?

696
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you got me, so Sex Control and Money. Tell

697
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: me about the book.

698
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Well i'll give you an overview. We're at final

699
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: editing stage, so it's.

700
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: Not released yet.

701
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: Not yet?

702
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: Is it going to be released?

703
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: Because I don't want you, because it's a terrible time

704
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: as the first time author to answer such that, right,

705
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 2: I think? So? I mean, I'm competing against the big boys.

706
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm not going into that pond. No thanks. I'll wait

707
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 2: till they stop swimming and i'll launch it a bit later.

708
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping for February.

709
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: And who's your publisher.

710
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: That's two on the table at the moment. But I'm

711
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: working with an awesome editor, so we'll decide.

712
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: Right and how long to take it? Right? Control and

713
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: Money not long.

714
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: Actually didn't take long to write. It took about three months,

715
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: but a lot of research and a really long time

716
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: to edit. As a first time author, I was so

717
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 2: unaware of the editing process and how long and tedious

718
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: that it. Yes, I just kind of thought, great, I've

719
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: written a book three months. Job done. No, so the

720
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: editing is the killer, and I don't use the ghost writers.

721
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: So how I speak is how the book is written.

722
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: And it's very much my tone of voice. And it's

723
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: meathed about it.

724
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: Right, Tell me about it?

725
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: Right?

726
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: Will tell me the first? Tell me about what that

727
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: that headline gets me? So sex control and money? You know,

728
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: there are things we talk about all the time. What

729
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: is it? What are we saying people do?

730
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I think so obviously. I became a single

731
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: about five years ago, and I had about two years ago,

732
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: I had some magazine articles that wanted to write on

733
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: multimillionaire and being single. What did that look like? And

734
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: so then the question was, you know, are you dating?

735
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I haven't even thought about it,

736
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: you know, too busy doing what I'm doing, not really interested.

737
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: Plus I didn't find there was anything missing. I didn't

738
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: feel like I was lacking anything. So I just thought

739
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: that not for me. So my pa at the time said, child,

740
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: you probably might want to look at dating, and I

741
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: was like, okay, she goes so we'll set you up

742
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: on some dating apps and you can, you know, see

743
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: how you feel about it. And I'm like, sure, go ahead,

744
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: set me up. So she set up the dating apps

745
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: and I think she did that on the Saturday. And

746
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: on Monday I went into work and there were I

747
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: think seven or eight thousand in one up and about

748
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: six or seven thousand guys in the other app request Yeah.

749
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: So I literally had a I know, I had a like.

750
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: So I just said, well, you created the problem, to

751
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: do with it, you go sort out. I don't even know,

752
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't even understand. So that's how the journey began effectively,

753
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: So the magazine articles and interviews were written. I was

754
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: quietly terrified, and I thought, I don't understand this world.

755
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: I was married for thirteen years previously, so dating apps

756
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: all knew, right, And so I kind of looked at it,

757
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: started looking at it quite carefully, and I thought, this

758
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: is a whole new world out here, and wild, wild West,

759
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: and how are these women managing to navigate everything that's

760
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: around here? And as the journey kind of progressed along,

761
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: I thought, this is actually a book. Magazine articles, great,

762
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: rite all you want, but this is probably a book.

763
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: And so then I thought, well, I'm a successful person

764
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: to a degree. There are layers, obviously, but I'm successful emotionally, mentally, physically, financially,

765
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: and certainly that's measurable. I'm really quite confronted with what's

766
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: out here and behaviors. How are women who may not

767
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: be dealing with all of this? And are there any

768
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: tool that I'm able to offer them? Or can I

769
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: maybe look at doing things a little bit differently where

770
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: each will enable them to navigate their way through this?

771
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: And so that's how that cook. I don't know if

772
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: it is because I'm not big, big believer in self help.

773
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: I don't think it's my place to tell other people

774
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: what to do or how to do it. I can

775
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: certainly give people guidelines around things that I know work,

776
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: and how they choose to customize those to their own

777
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: personal journeys really up to them. So, you know, I

778
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: put things like setting dating probational periods, giving job descriptions.

779
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: So so this is your job description. You've got three months.

780
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: Let's see if you can do it right. And I

781
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: think and I have, and I do.

782
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: Have you tried yourself?

783
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I do it all the time. And if

784
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: it's no, I'm just going to thanks, that's not la.

785
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: Why sex control and money? Then? Why that?

786
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: Well, because there are big components of it. So the

787
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: book effectively speaks to being successfully single. And I don't

788
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: think that you can divorce being professionally successful from being

789
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: personally successful. I don't believe that you can be professionally

790
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: successful if you are not personally successful. So those two

791
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: things go hand in hand for me. So when I

792
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 2: see women who are in the workforce or doing whatever

793
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: they're doing, and they're quite successful, but they're really fumbling

794
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: in the personal life, I think there's something not quite right.

795
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: Because you really effectively should be both and you are both.

796
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: So what's hindering you not getting your and result personally?

797
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: But you're able to do it professionally. So the book

798
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: really speaks to that. So it really speaks to being

799
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: successfully single. What does a successful single female look like?

800
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: How do you achieve that? How do you strip yourself

801
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: back and do it comfortably where you can look at

802
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: yourself and go, well, if I want this and I'm

803
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: currently this, that really puts me in a position of

804
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm not actually that, So how do I get myself

805
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: to that and really being able to self analyze without

806
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: self criticizing, right, So it speaks mainly to that and

807
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: then setting up some really fun and quirky ways of

808
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: then e gauging the guys that are approaching you daily

809
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: around well, are you actually going to be suitable for

810
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: what it is that I want from life? And am

811
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: I going to be suitable for you? Am I going

812
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: to give you the things that are going to make

813
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: you happy as well?

814
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: Right?

815
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: So I think it's a really it's an interesting read.

816
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: It was an interesting right.

817
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting when you read it back what you wrote

818
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, Well did I actually say that?

819
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: I know? I know, isn't it? Did I come up

820
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: with that? Did that come out of my brain?

821
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: That must have been at a moment of brilliance, Like

822
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember thinking about that. But then the other

823
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: times you go, oh my god, do I actually say that?

824
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: That is a moment of stupidity, because I I when

825
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: I've written her books, and when I wrote one time

826
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: I got asked to do it put it on an

827
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: audiobook and and which I stupidly agreed to, and they

828
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: wanted my voice to be the audience. I had to

829
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: read my own book out loud. Yea, and it was recorded,

830
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: and my god, like some of the things I wrote

831
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: in there, I can't remember saying that, like that's not

832
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: a thing what I would or something was incorrect because

833
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: it's now. I had a date and it was actually

834
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: quite confronting reading about the thoughts and I thought, oh,

835
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. That was a moment of brilliance. Plenty

836
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: of other times at the moment stupidity. It's quite confronting

837
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: to read about yourself or to read yourself. Yeah, if

838
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Can I that what you've done here sex,

839
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: control money, that's like a big mission. It was outside

840
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: of what you normally do.

841
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was, and it was very confronting for me.

842
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: I'm deeply conservative in many ways, and I like being

843
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: that way, so I think for me it was certainly

844
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: a high risk and a big journey. I really enjoyed it.

845
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: I thought it was really awesome, really enjoyed it, and

846
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: I really loved the knowledge that I gained from that.

847
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: So I actually have three books that I've currently finished

848
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: as a follow up to the first one. Yeah, as

849
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: you know, I'm only eighty five thousand words put book. Really,

850
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: so it gives you an overview but you've got to

851
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: pull some things apart. So yeah, so yeah, I think

852
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: I like adventure and I like fun, right, And I

853
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: think for me, if something's interesting and it's new and

854
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: I can see the humor in it, I will approach

855
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: it that way. I love to laugh and I like

856
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: to have fun. I'm super serious a lot of the times,

857
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: but I'm equally as just not interested. So if I

858
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: can just have a few hours where it's just pure entertainment,

859
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: I'll take it. So the dating really was that, but

860
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: I think it's such a problematic social area and seems

861
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: to becoming more so. So I think, and you help

862
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: that you know, I'm able to pass on to women

863
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: will be awesome. But I look, I think, like you,

864
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: you read certain things back and you go, I'm going

865
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,479
Speaker 2: to regret writing that in another two or three years,

866
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: but I'll leave it. That's the evolution stuff.

867
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting, you know, like the dating

868
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: apps are designed originally designed to make it easier to date,

869
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: but an actual fact, it creates a whole set of

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Speaker 1: complications that you would never otherwise have to have had

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Speaker 1: confronted if you never have ever been on a dating app.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think I think they make it easier

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Speaker 2: to meet a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of people, don't make it more complicated.

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Speaker 2: Think Yeah, I don't think they make it easier to date.

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Speaker 2: And I think for a few people actually date off

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Speaker 2: the dating apps. I think they meet a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not sure about the whole dating thing. So

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Speaker 2: I think there's it's yeah. Look, I mean it's fascinating,

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Speaker 2: it's absolutely fascinating. And there's some ideas that I have

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Speaker 2: on the dating apps and what I would like to do.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you can help me with that. We'll have a

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Speaker 2: talk later.

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Speaker 1: I can see, I can see a new business coming

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Speaker 1: out of all this, but I know I can feel

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Speaker 1: it well. Charlie Purchalla author now now owner of a

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Speaker 1: construction industry business, still owner of a Charlie's Interiors, which

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Speaker 1: is a complete new concept when it comes to buying

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Speaker 1: and selling homes because it's like a like a walking

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Speaker 1: walkout type deal, all includers, all done, and fashion designer

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Speaker 1: and label owner. I in your short period of short

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Speaker 1: number of years that you've even been in this bloody country,

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Speaker 1: you've done more than most people doing two or three lifetimes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, good.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to you, and I hope you. When you

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Speaker 1: do publish a book sometime next year, that I get

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Speaker 1: a sign copy, I'd love.

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Speaker 2: To thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't do