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Speaker 1: Cup day too.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard a thing of I don't listen to

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Speaker 2: it's really busy out there.

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Speaker 1: There's probably not two people in Victoria who give less

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Speaker 1: of a fuck about I'm going to say it a

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Speaker 1: stupid fucking horse race. I feel sorry for the horses.

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Speaker 1: I care about the horses, don't care about the jockeys. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: it's just me, that's all right. I can hate me.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, but it just has no interest for me.

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Speaker 1: Horse racing gambling doesn't mean people shouldn't do it, just

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Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't do it for me. I don't see the

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Speaker 1: I don't see the attraction.

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Speaker 2: I've gone I've gone right right off it. In later years,

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Speaker 2: the idea of what horses go through, and just the

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Speaker 2: industry that is horse racing, and the complete lack of yeah,

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Speaker 2: you have gone right off it. A bit of a hater.

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Speaker 1: Are any horses putting up their hand to go, Hey,

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Speaker 1: times while I run two miles And you know, anyway,

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Speaker 1: off already. But it is five three on Tuesday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: on the fifth of November twenty twenty four in the

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Speaker 1: It's Melbourne Cup Day, TIF cook over there at typ Central. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what did you do today on Melbourne Cup Day? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Feel like I did a bit of everything. You know what,

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Speaker 2: normally Tuesdays I have afternoon clients, and today they slid

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Speaker 1: It is. It's like I sat outside today in my trees,

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Speaker 1: able to just stand up from a chair, and then

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00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: take three steps and then five steps. Well, I don't

430
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: even think about it. I just get up, I walk downstairs.

431
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: I make my dinner. Right And speaking of downstairs, my

432
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: last gratitude that I use a lot is that I

433
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: turn on the tap and I say thank you. Because

434
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: they don't know the exact number, but in terms of taps.

435
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: But what I do know is that two point two billion.

436
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 1: Get your head around that two point two billion people

437
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: in the world do not have access to clean water.

438
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: That's over a quarter of the people on the planet.

439
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: Let alone have a fucking tap where they can just

440
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: turn it on and I can. You know, it's like

441
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: right over my head. It is an air conditioner and

442
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: a heater. I can push a button and in a

443
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: minute there's going to be cool air coming at me.

444
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: I can push another button, it's going to be heat.

445
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: I can walk downstairs. There's a fridge full of food,

446
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: there's a pantry full of food. I can turn on

447
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: a tap and there's cold water. I've got my choice

448
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: of fucking showers in this house. You know, I'm privileged.

449
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: And then, and I know I've kind of digressed, but

450
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: I was talking to them about just how different is life.

451
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: How amazing is the unamazing when you look through that lens,

452
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: when you go, fucking hell, I can walk, Oh my god,

453
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: I can walk. I can walk, I can turn on

454
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: a tap, I can talk to my mum. Fuck, how

455
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: great are these things? You know? If you said to

456
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: me a year after my mum's died, you can have

457
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: six with your mom, or six days with your mom,

458
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: or you can have your house in Hampton, I'll go, fuck,

459
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: give me the six days, fuck the house. I'll figure

460
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: it out. Give me the six days. Right, But I

461
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: don't need to make that decision now. But I don't

462
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: have the gratitude, Like, what is that about? Why do

463
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: we have to wait till shit goes before we realize

464
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: how fucking amazing what we already have is mind blowing.

465
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: We have so much shit to be grateful and thankful for,

466
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: but we look past all the good things to find

467
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: that one thing that's not up to standard, and that's

468
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: what we focus on.

469
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: So when did you start that practice about what was

470
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: the catalyst?

471
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: About five or six years ago? I think before COVID,

472
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: before COVID. Maybe it was around when John got hurt

473
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: and I remember spending time with him and starting to

474
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: train him. And I started training John, my friend everyone

475
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: if you don't know, got blown up in an accident

476
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: and you know, anyway, but I started training him in

477
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: a wheelchair. He couldn't walk, he couldn't crawel, he couldn't

478
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: do anything. And I just remember how hard it was

479
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: for him to do things that for me, you know,

480
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: something that for him was a fifteen out of ten,

481
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: hard for me was a zero, and me feeling guilty.

482
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: And then I realized guilt didn't serve me, so I

483
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: switched it to gratitude, and then I just went, you know,

484
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: and you know you've seen me work with him, and

485
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: you know how much I love him, and like I

486
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: have trained him now thousands of times over six years,

487
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: and my overwhelming feeling towards him is gratitude that I

488
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: am allowed to work with him, because he has done

489
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: more for me in terms of gratitude and self awareness

490
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: and joy and fulfillment and purpose maybe than any other

491
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: work I've done in the last six years. You know

492
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: that the work that I've done, and I will say,

493
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: of course the crab has done with him, where you know,

494
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: this person that just needed love and encouragement and support

495
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: and people to believe in him. Now drives to the

496
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: gym and walks into the gym. He doesn't walk the best,

497
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: but he walks, and he walks with his sticks and

498
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: he's a bit fucking wonky. But the wonky walk with

499
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: the sticks is like an Olympic gold medal, all the

500
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: gold medals compared to where he was and his prognosis,

501
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: you know. And so for me, it's like, I truly

502
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: I take nothing for granted. Well that's not true. I

503
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: probably do that I'm unaware of. But you know, I'm like,

504
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for you. I'm grateful for Melissa. I'm grateful

505
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: that I was, you know, lucky, I was born in

506
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: the country I was born, and I live in a

507
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: great area. You know, I'm touch would relatively healthy. You know,

508
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: there's I always I've said this to Melissa many times.

509
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: If I complain about my problem, my life punched me

510
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: in the face because I'm the problem, you know, And

511
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: you've heard me say that, And so I just think

512
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: that that and that's that. You know that looking through

513
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: that gratitude lens is you know, it's it changes our reality. Yeah,

514
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: you know. So anyway, that was a very long winded

515
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: explanation of how I like to use metaphor and story

516
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: to build connection, you know, but like when you open

517
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: that door and you talk about your experience, like right now,

518
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: I would think I could be wrong, but some of

519
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: our audience would go like that affected them more or

520
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: impacted them more or made them think more than if

521
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: I just went Hey, research tells us that being grateful

522
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: is really actually good for your life and for your

523
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: mental and emotional health. You know. But when you goes so,

524
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: here's part of my story or here's my insight, here's

525
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: my experience. You know, as long as you're sharing that,

526
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, the idea or the concept or the strategy

527
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: or whateverever it is, but it's in a way that

528
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: resonates with people. Then, Like we were talking a minute

529
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: ago about understanding how other people think. So not everyone

530
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: is like this, but the majority of people connect more

531
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: with story and humor than they do data, which is

532
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: why you and I might get on here and talk

533
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: about just our stories and our journeys and what's going on,

534
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: and we're not presenting any fucking high level science, but

535
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: people will stop you or stop me and go fuck.

536
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: I love that episode, Like it's just it reminded me

537
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: of this, or it made me feel that, or it

538
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: brought these things up for me. And I think that's

539
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: the when you can almost be a fly on the

540
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: wall in someone's conversation and it's a real conversation. It's

541
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: not a choreographed here's my question, what's your answer, here's

542
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: my next question, what's your next answer? For me? That's

543
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: which suits me because I'm too lazy to plan shit

544
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: and script shit, so that suits me full disclosure. But

545
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's how people connect.

546
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we find our version of our story in

547
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: what and other people's stories. When we shared our story

548
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: on the mountain, there were five of.

549
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Us, and so people who don't know what you're talking about,

550
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: who haven't listened, when we shared our version of our

551
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: thing on the mountain, explained to them what you're talking about.

552
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: So when I went to India on retreat, and on

553
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: the first night there with the five other participants and

554
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: the two facilitators, we shared our story and we shared

555
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: really deep, deeply. Everybody in that room shared more than

556
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: they ever shared, and not for the purpose of coaching,

557
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: just for the purpose of connection. And every single one

558
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: I could have said, you and me are the same,

559
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: and we're completely different, completely different stories, completely different, but

560
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: there were parts of each story where I just went

561
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: you and me we're exactly the same. And it's amazing.

562
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is like we think we're so different, and

563
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: in some ways we kind of are, but really at

564
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: our core, we're all just on the path whatever. That

565
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: might not be the same path, but that's kind of

566
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: similar path. And yeah, think about what we have in common.

567
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to be safe, everyone wants to be happy,

568
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: everyone wants to be loved, Everyone wants to be seen

569
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: and connected and valued, and everyone wants a life that

570
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: has some kind of purpose and reason, you know, And

571
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: what all of those things look like all the individual

572
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,240
Speaker 1: will vary, but the motivation or the driver is the same.

573
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: It's like, put up your hand if you want to

574
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: be happy, well, fucking who's not putting up the hand,

575
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's just trying to figure out where that.

576
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: Put up your hand. If you if you don't want

577
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: to be anxious, all the hands, you know, put up

578
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: your hand. If you want to be treated well and

579
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: loved and valued and respected, all the hands you know,

580
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: of course, And then I think it's just figuring out well,

581
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: what does that mean for me? Where does that live

582
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: for me? And what am I currently doing that is

583
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: at odds with those things? I just put my hands

584
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: up for or my hand up for, you know. And this,

585
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: I guess comes back to the chat that I the

586
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: solo chat that I did three or four weeks ago.

587
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: I think the episode was called Intentional Living, which is

588
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: just about, you know, literally designing your life as much

589
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: as it can be designed. You know, it's like, well,

590
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: where do you want to work, what do you want

591
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: to do? What you know? What kind of health state

592
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: do you want to have? What kind of body do

593
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: you want to live in? Do you want to do

594
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: you want to live in the country? Do you want

595
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: to live in the city? Do you want to Are

596
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: you a creative? What does that look like? What are

597
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: you going to do with your creativity? Do you want

598
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: to optimize your talent? Do you want to waste your talent?

599
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: Do you want to? And what is optimizing your talent

600
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: look like? And what's the data telling you now? Like?

601
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: What what results are you currently producing that are good

602
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: and fucking terrible and somewhere in between, and you know

603
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: the terrible ones. Do you want to do something about

604
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: that how will you do it? What's your plan? What's

605
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: your accountability? What happens when you're not motivated? You know,

606
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: all those kind of fundamentals of like it's all well

607
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: and good to listen to you and me, and it's

608
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: all well and good to go to self help, whatever's

609
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 1: read books and you know, but there comes a point.

610
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: I've been saying this to my group for nine weeks

611
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: now that doing a mentoring program with me is not

612
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: the answer, which sounds of course. The answer is what

613
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: you do as a result of these sessions. The answer

614
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: is you. The answer is your work. The answer is

615
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: your courage, The answer is your choices. The answer is

616
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: your ability to keep fucking doing what you haven't kept

617
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: doing up until now, because that like the work is

618
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: just the work, and listening to a podcast is cool

619
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: and easy, but the ship we need to do is

620
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: not always cool or easy.

621
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, listening to a podcast, you get the info and

622
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: it can land, but then you quickly move on and

623
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: nothing changes. Or like the the idea of sitting with

624
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: and pondering the things that then applying them to your life,

625
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: like listen to what some of the things that is

626
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: tken about on a podcast and actually going and workshopping

627
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 2: it and coming back and having conversations and coming back

628
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 2: and doing work around that. Like, I think that there's

629
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: all the information in the world in podcast yours mine,

630
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: and people probably far smarter and more evolved than both

631
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: of us combined.

632
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: That the information he hate steady on hurtful, hurtful.

633
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: But I mean, I've gone and listened over my life,

634
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: gone and listened to a stack of podcasts. But that

635
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: doesn't make the change happen. It might make you realize things,

636
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: but until you sit, give yourself some space, have conversations

637
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: and speak out loud sometimes to somebody, and workshop something,

638
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: you can't even begin to put it into action.

639
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what was interesting when you came back from India?

640
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: You know, it is just that you were energetically and

641
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: that term much but fuck it, it's the right word.

642
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: You were energetically different, not pretending to be different. I'll

643
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm zen, this is me acting. No,

644
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: you were actually I'm like, oh, that's impressive, and like,

645
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: my I don't know if I should say this on

646
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: a podcast. I'm just going to say it. My question

647
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: was it wasn't a doubt, but my question was I

648
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: wonder if she can kind of maintain that, because that's

649
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: that's a big shift. And I would ask that of

650
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: myself too. If I went away and I came back

651
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'd had a bit of a

652
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 1: profound or somewhat profound time, which you did, I think,

653
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: then the challenge is, yeah, is how do I kind

654
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: of and of course you're going to have peaks and

655
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: troughs and you're going to be a human, But how

656
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: do I kind of maintain this? And then because I'm

657
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: not sitting on a mountain, I'm not in India, I'm

658
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: not having those dn ms with those beautiful people. I'm

659
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: back in the fucking city with the pollution and the

660
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: traffic and that dickhead in the car next to me

661
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: who called me a prick because I rode my motorbike

662
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: between two cars and it I nearly hit his mirror.

663
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: So I have my own I'm immersed in my own

664
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: perception of that at the moment, but I would love

665
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: to know from the outside looking in, what how much

666
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 2: of that experience do you see or feel that I've

667
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: held or maintained over the last month.

668
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: I think most of it, you know, and I think

669
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: it's without trying to be too like it's a bit

670
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: of a juggling act, this kind of this path of

671
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: whatever we want to call it. But I reckon your journey.

672
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: And I don't say shit like this much on this show.

673
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: But I think your biggest I've never even told you this.

674
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this for the first time in front

675
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: of thousands of people. I think your biggest growth in

676
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: the next year will be spiritual, not psychological, sociological, emotional,

677
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: or physical. You will probably change in all of those areas,

678
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: But for me, the spiritual path is, you know, like

679
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: gratitude is a spiritual practice kindness, having a transcendent experience

680
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: of life where you've got genuinely a purpose bigger than

681
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: you and I you know, you know me, I've always

682
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: been somewhat spiritual, like the spiritual guy who says fucking cunt, right,

683
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: you know. But it's like at least people know what

684
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: they're getting, Like I'm not trying to be the Dalai Lama,

685
00:41:54,680 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: and yes I am my number one value in life love,

686
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: but I am also a cunt sometimes I'm not trying

687
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: to be. But am I ever addicted? Do I ever

688
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: get trapped in my own bullshit? Or ego. Yes I do.

689
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: But at least with me, you will know what you're

690
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: getting because I am not going to pretend i'm something

691
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm not. Right.

692
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: When I fuck up, I'll go I fucked up, my fault, right.

693
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: But back to you, I think that, yeah, I genuinely

694
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 3: see like shift in you and that like I think

695
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: for you, part of the.

696
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that like all right, so this is

697
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: really what I think, which I don't know if this

698
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: is the forum. Do you want to know what I

699
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: really think?

700
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do.

701
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: So. I think I think part of your apprehension around

702
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: deep connections with humans that's starting to melt away a

703
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: little bit. And I think that's spiritual growth. I don't

704
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: think that some shift in psychology or emotion, perhaps emotion

705
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: a little, but I think it's something deeper than that.

706
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, as you and I

707
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: don't necessarily mean romantic connections. It could be, but just

708
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: that intimate relationships, those intimate relationships with people, And by

709
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: intimate I mean close, like I have intimate relationship with

710
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: my mum. You know, it's just means in this context,

711
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about close, very familiar, like you would pretty

712
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: much do anything for those people. So I see that

713
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 1: shifting in you. I see less ego in you right

714
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: where you don't need people's approval as much as you

715
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: did because and this is probably psychological growth, but you

716
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: are more comfortable and confidence than you were right when

717
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: I first met you. You were very unsure, very uncertain,

718
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: which is like that was quite a long time ago now,

719
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: but there's been a real shift in all of those things,

720
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: and you know, it's growth, it's growth, and there of

721
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: course you know, and you know, and I know that

722
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: there have been moments where you and I have had

723
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: a fucking three minute well we've never really even clashed,

724
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: but we've had a few moments where you've gotten bothered

725
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: about something or I've gotten bothered about something and there

726
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: was a brief moment. But there's probably been I don't know,

727
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: two or three moments in six years, and those moments

728
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: didn't last very long. But the thing is, you know,

729
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: we're always going to be working around each other, as

730
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: in I mean us humans working around each other and always,

731
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, It's like I did a podcast three or

732
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: four days ago called I'm wrong, and just that not

733
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: only the willingness, but the I guess the want to

734
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: be able to go, oh, I'm wrong, I got that wrong.

735
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: I did that wrong. I am the problem with this

736
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: particular thing. I'm not always the problem, but with this

737
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: I was the problem. And look, I get what you

738
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: were saying, and that was my fault. I'm sorry. And

739
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: I think that you know, when you get past and

740
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: I don't mean you, I mean all of us. But

741
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: when you get past the need to be right and

742
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: the need to look good, and the need to win

743
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: an argument and the need to be seen as smart,

744
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: that one that is very fucking liberating, because that's a

745
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: heavy emotional and psychological burden to carry, that you've got

746
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: to be right all the time and you've got to

747
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: know all the time. I used to think that. But

748
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: then also the add on benefit that you don't think

749
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: will like what you think will happen is once you

750
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: open this door of vulnerability, you know, people are going

751
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: to know how fucked in the head you are, and

752
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: people are just going to vanish in reality. They go,

753
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: oh my god, thank you. I do that too. I'm

754
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: a version of you. I'm an overthinker, I'm a self doubter,

755
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm a self loath I'm a self saboteur. Not all

756
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: the time, but sometimes, And oh my god, thank you

757
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: because the bloke who's hosting the podcast or the girl

758
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: who's hosting the podcast is essentially me in a different role.

759
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's back to coming full circle

760
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: to where we started. That's how you build connection as well.

761
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: M I love that. I love that feedback. Twice twice

762
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: I got goosebumps. And one was when you said spiritual

763
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: because I don't know why, but I got goosebumps all over.

764
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: And the second one was when you said, I can't

765
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 2: remember what you framed it, but burned. Remember I burned

766
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: on the mountain with the letting go rich or one

767
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: of the things I wrote down and burned was the

768
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: need for everyone else to believe in me. And that's

769
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: what you mentioned, so that, yeah, I'm.

770
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: Very aware of my you know, my numerous faults and

771
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: all of that. That's good to be able to do that,

772
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: but also it's good to go but you know what, Harps,

773
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: you're okay, though you're okay. You know, you're not the

774
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: best person, but you're not a bad person. It's all right,

775
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that that being able to

776
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: and I have found that because there's no there's no

777
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: bigger critic in the world of me than me. Like

778
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm very hard on. Like I might do a gig,

779
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 1: that I might do a presentation that other somebody might go, well, fuck,

780
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: that was amazing. That was a nine out of ten.

781
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, that was a six. Here's five things

782
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: I could have done better. You know, I have that propensity,

783
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to deal with that. But I think,

784
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, just quickly as we wind up that you

785
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: know that I think when you use the term spiritual,

786
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: people get confused or scared or freaked out or weirded out.

787
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: And so you know, oh, here's something I've never told

788
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: you about. Five years ago or four years ago, I

789
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: sent a message to ten of my friends. I did

790
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: this as a little project. And ten of my friends

791
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: who are either you probably remember this, but they're either

792
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: pastors in churches or their rabbis, or they are you know,

793
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: the their Buddhists, or their Muslims or the you know,

794
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: they are people who are you know it, potentially in

795
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: a role of leadership in some spiritual and or religious capacity.

796
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: And I said to them, all of them, can you

797
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: please write in your words, without doing any research or

798
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: looking any thing up or repeating anything that you've wrote learned.

799
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: I don't want you to repeat something that you got

800
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: trained to say. I want, in your words, in your understanding,

801
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: to tell me what spirituality is. And every single one

802
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: of those people said something fucking different, and a lot

803
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: of them were absolutely miles apart. I'm not saying right wrong,

804
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: good bad. I'm like, you know what, spirituality is a

805
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: slippery construct, and it can be mumbo jumbo's kind of bullshitty,

806
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: I think, And I think some people like to put

807
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: on the metaphoric caftan and fucking wear the DreamCatcher and

808
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: put that in the window and fucking clang their symbols

809
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: so they look like they're whatever you know to me.

810
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: To me, the more spiritual people act to me, that's ego.

811
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: To me, that's ego, that's look at me. I want

812
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: you to think I am like this, Well that's not

813
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's to me to me like real like.

814
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: And again, I'm not advocating anything here. I'm just speaking

815
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: to my background. But my background is in you know,

816
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: in Christianity and church, right, I'm not advocating that. I'm

817
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: just sharing, but I've read the Bible front the back

818
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: many times, and because there was a time where I

819
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: was deeply invested, deeply, deeply, right, But you know, even

820
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: in and there are you know, there's wisdom in the

821
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: Qur'an and the Talmud and the bugger Vita. I think

822
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: it's called I fucked that up, but you know what

823
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And of course the Old Testament New Testament,

824
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: and there are a plethora of insights and wisdoms even

825
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: in the writings of the Stoics, right, But there's a

826
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: lot of commonality, and that says, you know, keep it

827
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: under wraps. Like if you're out there beating your chest,

828
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's not God, that's not human, that's

829
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: not kindness, that's ego. That's look at me, I need attention.

830
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: That's It's like that joke I made. I did a

831
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: humility workshop on the weekend. Oh how'd you go? Yeah?

832
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I was the best. And when I say that, people

833
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: don't even fucking up. I'm like, that was irony, Right,

834
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: that's the I did a humility workshop. I crushed it.

835
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: That's the opposite of yeah, oh okay, you know which

836
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: kind of it's sad when you've got to explain your

837
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: own terrible Joe. But you know, one of my favorite

838
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: scriptures in the in the New Testament, it is essentially

839
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: this is the paraphrase version, and it depends which translation

840
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: you read, But if you read King James, which is

841
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: the there Tho or New King James, which is a

842
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: modernized version of that, it says, you know, when you

843
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: give to the poor, don't let your left hand know

844
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: what your right hand's doing. And so when you do

845
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: a kindness, it always says, do it in secret. Don't

846
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: tell anyone, like don't you don't need accolades, you don't

847
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: need approval, you don't need attention. And I believe, and

848
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: this is just my belief in terms of the spiritual

849
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: growth and the spiritual benefit, which is the wrong that's

850
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: the wrong word, but it's just for this. The moment

851
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: that you talk about it, you lose it, right, Like,

852
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: if you're doing good stuff, just do the good stuff.

853
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: Just do the good stuff. You don't need to tell people.

854
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: You don't need to whatever. You know, I'm not saying

855
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: I never mentioned it, but in general terms, because if

856
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: there is a god or a higher power or a

857
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: divine or whatever, if there's an intelligence and a love

858
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: and an energy that's bigger than us. I say, if then,

859
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: then that's where our reward will come from. That's where

860
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: that energy that you know, whatever. But even then, but

861
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: even then, you know, I think it's it's to do

862
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: that even because we think we're going to get something back. Well,

863
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: that's not love either. That's transactional. Yeah, like love is

864
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: not transactional. Love has no expectations. Love doesn't give wanting something.

865
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: And if you give wanting something in return, that is

866
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: not love. That is not kindness, that is not service.

867
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: That is a negotiation of sorts, you know. And now

868
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: everybody's asleep, and now everybody's like, I'm never listening to

869
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: this shit again. But there you go, tip Hey.

870
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: One of the things when you were talking about the religions,

871
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: one of the things that I found really beautiful about

872
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: one of the monuments in India, probably all of them,

873
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: but one that we were getting shown ag Refort, and

874
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 2: in the architecture, in the design, our tour guide pointed

875
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 2: out all the different religion symbols were all incorporated in

876
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: this one place, and wow, and it was so beautiful,

877
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: all of them. I don't know, like he's talked about heaps.

878
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even know where to begin, but more than

879
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: the Christianity, yes, And you just pointed them all out

880
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: and it was like, Wow, I didn't think a place

881
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: like this would exist. That's so beautiful.

882
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: I love that that convergence of different theologies and philosophies.

883
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: And you know, for me, that is our spiritual wisdom.

884
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: Is like you know, you think, just on a human

885
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: level and on a psychology level, there's twelve major religions

886
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: in the world, and there's over four thousand minor religions,

887
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: and right and almost every religion major online the.

888
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: Is a religion.

889
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: No, we're a cult. We're a cult, bro where an

890
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: out loud and proud cult. But there's going to be

891
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: no routing behind closed doors. There's going to be no

892
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: ripping off of money. We're a transparent cult. We don't

893
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: want your money or your loins, so keep it all

894
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: to yourself, right. We just want we just want love.

895
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: We just want love and connection. But what I was

896
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: going to say was who uses loins anyway?

897
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 4: But could you stop saying, well it's like generic for

898
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: all right, Well, I'm just telling people what we don't want,

899
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 4: So no, one gets confused.

900
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: Anyway. What I was going to say is all of

901
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: these religions independently think they are the one. Yeah, I know,

902
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other religions, but we're the right one.

903
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: We're the one with the you know. And again that's

904
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: that's an interesting thing too, because there's so much you know,

905
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: thought that goes around that that's a belief system, that's

906
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: a cult of thought. Like it's when you you know,

907
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: I grew up in a Catholic church and then I

908
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: went to a non denominational fundamental born again Christian Church.

909
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: Now they're both under the banner of Christianity, but you

910
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: couldn't have two more different, two more different cultures or

911
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: ways of interpreting the Bible. Or it's like, yeah, the

912
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: same text, but oh my goodness, in you know, like

913
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: so in fundamental Christianity, for example, the foundation scripture from

914
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: the New Testament is John three point sixteen, which says,

915
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: for God so loved the world that he gave, He's

916
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: only begotten the son that whosoever believes in him would

917
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: not perish but have eternal life. Right, And that gets

918
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: gently rammed down your throat all the time, which is cool.

919
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: I never heard that scripture in Mass. In Catholic Church,

920
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: never heard it. And in Catholic Church you are not

921
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: encouraged to read the Bible. Well we weren't. I never

922
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: was anyway, that's my experience. You were encouraged to listen

923
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: to the priest because he knows right and he's God's guy. Right,

924
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: But then when you go and read the Bible. So

925
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: now I'm going in I'm in this other church. Right,

926
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: it says, well, there's one mediator between God and man, right,

927
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: or one person, And it doesn't say that's the Catholic priest.

928
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: It says the actual Bible says there's one mediator between

929
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: God and man, and that's Jesus Christ. That's in the

930
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: New Testament. Right, So, like what is funny is and

931
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm this is not meant to be a religious conversation.

932
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: This is more about interpretation and psychology and culture and programming.

933
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: And it's like wherever you go, they're going to teach

934
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: you that they're right and the others are wrong. And

935
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: that's not just in religion. That's in politics, that's in sport,

936
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: that's in exercise cults, that's in food cults, that's in

937
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: social cults. That's in amway, that's in you know, multi

938
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: level marketing across the oild. Well, you know, pa. But

939
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: like consciousness is, or the beginning of consciousness is one

940
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: to recognize your own lack of consciousness, but two to

941
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: be able to extract yourself from a cult of thought

942
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: that you've been part of and be okay and comfortable

943
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: with going yeah, I don't agree anymore, or I don't

944
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: think that, or I've thought for myself and this is

945
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: what I think now, rather than just adopting someone else's

946
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: truth or adopting just because of the situation you're in,

947
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 1: you know. So anyway, maybe we'll do a whole show

948
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: on cult cults of thought because that's a thing. Yeah,

949
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: it's so fucking interesting, Like you think when you grow

950
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: up in a mind, like if you grew up in

951
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: mom and dad were Buddhists and they were vegans undoubtedly

952
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: until you were probably eighteen and maybe forever you would

953
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: be a Buddhist vegan. Right, you're not going to be

954
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: a ten year old who's no, I'll go on a

955
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: mass and eating cow while mom and dad meditating at

956
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: the Buddha Center and having fucking you know, soy and

957
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: tofu or whatever it is. Right, so you become a

958
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: byproduct without choosing. You become a version of them unconsciously.

959
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: I'd love to let's do that, let's pencil that chat

960
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: in because I would love to unpack that more.

961
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool, all right, at six o'clock, you've got some

962
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: work to do. Gotta go, bro, all right, see Bro,

963
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: see everyone, bros and bros of fines