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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge the Gadigor people of the urination, the traditional custodians

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Speaker 1: of this land, and pay our respects to the elders,

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Speaker 1: both past and present.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ali daddo, I'm Cam daddo.

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Speaker 3: We've been blessed to have a number of master chefs

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Speaker 3: we have in the bathroom with us. Yes, what a

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Speaker 3: juggernaut of a show that is launching a bunch of careers. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 3: so today we have the very first winner, the one

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Speaker 3: who started it all.

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Speaker 1: I know, the lovely Julie Goodwin. She burst onto the

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Speaker 1: scene as Australia's first Master Chef in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 1: She's a mum and lucky her. She's a grandmama as well.

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Speaker 1: Obviously she's a wife of course, a cook and author,

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Speaker 1: a singer. Did not know she was a singer, a

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Speaker 1: public speaker. Julie Goodwin is the epitome of a busy Australian.

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Speaker 3: And she's not traveling the world alone. She has longtime

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Speaker 3: partner Mick beside her. They've had a long and I

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Speaker 3: dare say, adventurous life together. Let's get to know Julie

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Speaker 3: and Mick Goodwin.

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Speaker 1: All right, you two, we are a relationship podcast and

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Speaker 1: we just love to hear a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: the two of you. So if you can fill us

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Speaker 1: in how did you two meet, You're going to talk first.

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Speaker 4: So Jules and I met. We're going back to nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and it's the year we met.

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Speaker 4: It it is, oh really, yeah, we go. We met

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Speaker 4: through a Saint Vincent de Paul youth group. So one

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Speaker 4: of my mates, he was a school captain of my

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Speaker 4: high school, Saint Leo's College at Warunga. We started this

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Speaker 4: Vinnie's group in high school years eleven and twelve, and

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Speaker 4: then when school finished, he decided that he wanted to

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Speaker 4: keep it rolling. He knew Julie because Julie was the

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Speaker 4: school captain of her school, Hornsby Girls High, invited her

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Speaker 4: along to join this group, and yeah, that's how we

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Speaker 4: met school captain Julie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those are the days. I think it was hip

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Speaker 5: to be square back then, and I was pretty square.

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Speaker 2: So now was that voted on by the teachers or

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Speaker 2: the students.

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Speaker 5: Students? Students voted for all the prefects, and then I

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Speaker 5: think the prefects voted for who they wanted for the captain,

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Speaker 5: right right, so head prefect. It was called Hornsby Girls

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Speaker 5: High School.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was a sedive's high girl. We

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Speaker 5: Well kind of. I think your snaive circles might have

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Speaker 5: been slightly more rarefied than the Hornsby.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's not lomally put that way.

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Speaker 3: Private school and public school people normally go oh private school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we were known as snives back then, and

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Speaker 1: it was it's come a long way that school, let's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, Hornsby has too. It's selective now, but it

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Speaker 5: certainly wasn't back then. Yeah, all right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So you met back then you were were you like,

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Speaker 3: you were a school captain, so you're around year twelve?

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Speaker 3: Then were you hanging out for those years and then

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for many years. You can gosh, you're slow it

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Speaker 5: on the uptake this one. But yeah, were just out

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Speaker 5: of high school. So you know, we were eighteen when

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Speaker 5: we met, and we were nineteen by the time he

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Speaker 5: figured that out that I liked him, and then it

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Speaker 5: was another oh gosh, nearly six years until we got married. Geez,

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Speaker 5: I'm a patient. I've got the patience of the same.

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Speaker 3: You like a slow cooker, hay.

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Speaker 1: Something another cooking pun. There could be more to follow.

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Speaker 3: I haven't scripted any of these. They're just flying off

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Speaker 3: the top of my head. They're just I'm just impressing

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Speaker 2: I'm self basting.

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Speaker 1: So much. Did you did you know from the get

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: What was it about just until me? What was it

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Speaker 5: I'm sure, yeah, do you know what?

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Speaker 4: I probably didn't realize that back then, but but it

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Speaker 5: Where do I start? He had a wicked mullet.

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Speaker 2: And to come back again.

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Speaker 5: No, he was just very funny. So yeah, I had

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Speaker 5: him through some Vincent De Paul group with these these boys.

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Speaker 5: These group of boys were doing amazing charity work, you know,

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Speaker 2: With a mullet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, I'm only human.

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Speaker 2: Would do the mullet again, Mick? Would you? Would you

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Speaker 4: I won't, I won't do it again.

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Speaker 5: He could. He's still got a beautiful head of hair.

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Speaker 5: But that's all right. We've got boys in their twenties

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Speaker 1: So, h and Julie, were you a cook back then?

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Speaker 1: When did the cooking passion hit for you.

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Speaker 5: It hit for me. Yeah, as a young adult, I

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Speaker 5: it was part of how I connected with Mick. You know.

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Speaker 5: We'd go on these dates and I would I would cook,

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Speaker 3: And were you working as well or how was that going?

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Speaker 5: When we first met, I was at UNI, at Sydney UNI,

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Speaker 1: Amazing. That must have been a fantastic job.

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Speaker 5: It really was. It didn't pay very much, but it

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Speaker 5: that's a very challenging thing to do. But I loved it.

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Speaker 5: But it wasn't really conducive to sort of starting a

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Speaker 2: Right, you've got three little good ones who are now

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Speaker 5: Giant. They were all taller than me by the time.

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Speaker 5: They were in sixth grade, all three of them. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I've got giant good ones and actually got a little

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so exciting.

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Speaker 5: She's divine.

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Speaker 4: It's the best.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mick, you're quite tall, aren't you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, six foot seven and two out of our three

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Speaker 4: sons six foot six. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Short, he's only six foot.

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Speaker 4: Stopped at six foot Julie.

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Speaker 1: Were they big babies?

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Speaker 5: Oh? They were? And thank you because I have not

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't eat three well. Boys are

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Speaker 1: normally bigger anyway. And then if you've got a six

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Speaker 5: He's got a giant head too. Did you have big

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Speaker 1: Our son was pretty big, actually, certainly compared to the

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Speaker 1: a monster a good way.

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Speaker 2: But it was the river was so well fared.

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Speaker 3: I mean he waited until that placenta was absolutely suck

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Speaker 3: it was like he came out looking for food.

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Speaker 2: That kid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was two weeks overdue. Yeah, placenta was as

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Speaker 5: It's so funny because my youngest was two weeks over

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Speaker 5: to be induced, and I reckon, I'd be wheeling my

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Speaker 2: There, Julie.

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Speaker 3: I think about that and to go, Well, you're surrounded

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Speaker 3: hose into your food.

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Speaker 2: It's warm. You've got a mama. You can hear her voice.

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Speaker 2: She's singing to you.

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Speaker 5: Would you come out a lovely place to be? I reckon.

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Speaker 1: So you're three boys and you're a good cook boy.

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Speaker 1: They must love mum. Do they come home for Have

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Speaker 1: you got all three at home? No, you can't have

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Speaker 1: all three at home because you've got a grandkid.

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Speaker 5: So well, the middle one with the grandchild has moved out,

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Speaker 5: is a few minutes away from home, and like you

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Speaker 5: was there last night for dinner, and the other two

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Speaker 5: are still at home, So why.

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Speaker 1: Would you leave that kind of food? Basically, well, that's

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Speaker 1: the plan. That's the plan.

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Speaker 4: My youngest moved out for a little while. Yeah, for

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Speaker 4: probably just over a year, and it's terrible. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 4: really missed it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're my favorite people. So I really love it

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Speaker 1: So Mecca, hope that makes you feel better about your

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Speaker 5: You're in good company anyway.

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Speaker 4: Back back in those days it was a bit more

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Speaker 3: We're talking nineteen seventy two, seventy three, and yeah, we're

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Speaker 5: You talk about regrets as parents, and I think that

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Speaker 3: I had issues, and you would have had no frame

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Speaker 1: We loved the show, but not but we love the show,

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Speaker 1: I would be eliminated that bloody fast they throw like

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Speaker 5: But it's amazing what dark recesses of your brain given

443
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Speaker 5: access to in those really heightened moments. And trust me,

444
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 5: those are some pretty heightened moments.

445
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Speaker 3: What the change in your life, the trajectory that your

446
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: life then took from just doing that two hour application.

447
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: I mean, we all have best intentions, and life takes

448
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: over momentum happens. You became an overnight sensation basically by

449
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 3: completing that show, winning that show.

450
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: Then you become an.

451
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: Author, a celebrated radio host, you open a cooking school.

452
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 3: I mean, all these what a life change for you?

453
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Speaker 3: How did you cope with it?

454
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Speaker 1: Or?

455
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Speaker 5: Oh, look, I'm lucky that I was surrounded by some

456
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 5: very grounded people, including Mick and my boys. You know, yeah,

457
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 5: there was. In one sense, there was a lot of

458
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 5: adjusting to do. Obviously. In another sense, things sort of

459
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 5: stayed the same, Like we're in that same house, you know,

460
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 5: we still are, My friends are the same, We still

461
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 5: do the same stuff. You know, Barbecue on the back

462
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 5: decks still our favorite weekend thing to do. So at

463
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 5: the heart of it, all of that important stuff stayed

464
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 5: nice and strong and sturdy for me while all this

465
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 5: stuff career things and opportunities and things were kind of

466
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 5: swirling around us. And you know that the impact was

467
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 5: so the positive so heavily outweighed any negative that it's

468
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 5: just been a blessing. It's been beautiful and the things

469
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 5: that it's brought to my family. I'm grateful every single

470
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Speaker 5: day that for that Master Chef experience.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, meck how was it for you watching the

472
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: Rise of Julie? Did you expect this of her? No,

473
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: this was going to happen, or how was it? How

474
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: was your experience in all of this?

475
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was quite quite surreal. And if you watch

476
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: back the finale, I had no idea that they captured it.

477
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: But when she won and I was hugging her at

478
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: the end, I just whispered in her ear what just happened?

479
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: And that's I guess that's when it really smacked me.

480
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 4: Our lives are about to change here, ye, yeah, And

481
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 4: you know, I think those first couple of years, like

482
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 4: it was like, let's just let's flog this for all

483
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 4: it's worth, you know, like this is just going to

484
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: be a five minute thing. And this was this was

485
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: part of the trap. I guess that led to Jules

486
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 4: eventually running out of energy. Was just wanting to make

487
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 4: hay while the sun was shining. And yeah, the.

488
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Speaker 5: Sun kept shining and shining and shining, which is wonderful.

489
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Speaker 5: But you know, I you know, we had to learn

490
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Speaker 5: how to say notice stuff.

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Speaker 2: You did allude to.

492
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Speaker 3: And I'm going to ask you if this is okay

493
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Speaker 3: to talk about the pressures of life and all those

494
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Speaker 3: things that you're doing. Are you okay to talk about

495
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 3: the anxiety and depression that you went through?

496
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Speaker 5: Of course?

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Speaker 2: Can you go thatt us in a bit about that?

498
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, it would be. It was probably towards the end

499
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 5: of twenty nineteen when there was just a culmination of stuff.

500
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 5: I'd been experiencing anxiety and depression for a while. And overwork.

501
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 5: I was you know, Brecky radio plus cooking school, so

502
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 5: it was like two full time jobs and literally seven

503
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 5: days a week, many many hours a day, and I

504
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 5: just exhaustion, and you know, un processed trauma from years

505
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 5: and years before and all that sort of stuff just

506
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 5: kind of all culminated in what you know, it's old

507
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 5: fashioned language, but nervous breakdown is really just the simplest

508
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 5: way to put it. You know, just everything fell in

509
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Speaker 5: a heap, and it was a really, really terrible time,

510
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 5: and it was something, you know, something I resisted for

511
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 5: a long time, being getting a diagnosis, getting any help,

512
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 5: and it just became very clear all of a sudden

513
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 5: that I needed it.

514
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: And Julie, is that also just because my passion is

515
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: menopause and supporting menopausal women and understanding the effects of hormones.

516
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: Was that actually were you PERI metopausal or menopausal at

517
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: that time as well?

518
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 5: Look when I when I first got a diagnosis of depression,

519
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 5: which is years after I first experienced it. Yeah, but

520
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 5: it was the first time I was willing to hear it.

521
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 5: I had a female GP and she ran all the

522
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 5: blood tests for that because that was that was her

523
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 5: first thought as well, which I understand it's quite often

524
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 5: the last thought that occurs. But she she was a

525
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 5: beautiful GP and she was all across all Latin, and

526
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 5: so she did blood tests and that wasn't the case.

527
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 5: So I have I have had a lot of sort

528
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: of commentary around oh, maybe it was menopause, and the

529
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 5: I mean, the reality is that that peri menopause and

530
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: menopause don't help any of that stuff. Well that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's more like it exaggerates it more than that's really

532
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: what happens with Yeah.

533
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've I've since tested differently for those levels.

534
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm fifty three now, so that's to be expected. Yeah,

535
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: but yeah, my depression far predates any any hormonal changes

536
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 5: that nature gotcha.

537
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: And that was nothing the birth of your son's was

538
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: their postnatal depression that popped up? Then?

539
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

541
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Speaker 5: After Joe was born, once again there was medical professionals

542
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 5: trying to give me a diagnosis of postnatal depression. I

543
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 5: was told I scored very high on the scale and

544
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 5: I basically told them to bugger off. And how dare

545
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 5: they call me that when I had a beautiful husband

546
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 5: and a house to live in and a roof over

547
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 5: my head and food on the table and the most perfect,

548
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 5: beautiful baby. How dare they suggest that I would be

549
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 5: unhappy with that? And that was the really warped thinking

550
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Speaker 5: I had around that whole, that whole mental illness thing,

551
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 5: you know, and that you know, that's a product of

552
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: my upbringing and my own stubbornness as well.

553
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's really sort of the way, you know,

554
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we've come a long way with mental illness

555
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: as well, being able to speak about it really well

556
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: and also understand it's so much better. But back you know,

557
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: postnatal depression was something that, yeah, that was like it

558
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: was sort of like a bit of a shame and

559
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: a secret, and people women were embarrassed about it because,

560
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: as you said, it's like I've wanted this baby my

561
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: whole life. I've now got the baby, and I'm just

562
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Speaker 1: so sad. So it's never made sense to so many women.

563
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think that for a lot of us,

564
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 5: and particularly of a certain generation, but maybe not exclusively,

565
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 5: we're raised to muddle depression and sadness with ingratitude and

566
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 5: inability to count your blessings and also weakness and inability

567
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Speaker 5: to sort of just pick your chin up and put

568
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 5: on your best face and whistle a happy tune and

569
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 5: fake it till you make it, and all those things

570
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 5: that we say to people to just say, just get

571
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 5: over it, essentially, and it's just not that simple. It's

572
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 5: just not that simple. Those things help, and you know,

573
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 5: practicing gratitude and counting your blessings and all of that,

574
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: they're all really useful tools in the toolkit when you're

575
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 5: combating depression or anxiety, but they are not the answer.

576
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 5: They're not the only answer. You can't you can't just

577
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 5: say to somebody, yeah, but look how good you've got it?

578
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 5: Why do you feel that way? Look how good you've

579
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 5: got it? Because we can always we can always look

580
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 5: around and see someone worse off than us, But it

581
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 5: doesn't strip us off the actuality that we're not going

582
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 5: to feel happy and upbeat all of the time. And

583
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Speaker 5: I think we've just got to forgive ourselves that and

584
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Speaker 5: allow ourselves to say and to say to other people,

585
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 5: which is the hard part. I'm not coping with this.

586
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 5: I'm not coping with this, and to not be shamed

587
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 5: for it.

588
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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, where were you sitting with all this?

589
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Speaker 4: Mick? Well, just I guess I was along for the ride. Really, yeah, how.

590
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Speaker 3: Did you how did you support Julie? And did you

591
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: understand I'm imagining that you learned as much as she did.

592
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Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely. I guess it all came to a head

593
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 4: really one night when when Jules had sort of reached

594
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: her lowest and she she communicated with me how low

595
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 4: she was. And I was a little bit shocked at that,

596
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: but at that point realized that, you know, I wasn't

597
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Speaker 4: equipped to support her. I'll stand next to her, but

598
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: I wasn't equipped to support her or advise her on

599
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: how to resolve this. And it's at that stage where

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00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: you know, we got in the car and we drove

601
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Speaker 4: to the local hospital, presented an emergency and just said,

602
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: you know, my wife needs some help, you know, and

603
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 4: then you know, you sort of put self over to

604
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: the professionals and and you know, we got to learn

605
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 4: what the public mental health system was transitioned into the private.

606
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's been you know, we both learned so

607
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 4: much along the way. And you know, this is part

608
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 4: of who Julie Goodwin is and part of the reason

609
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 4: I love her is her just her generosity. So to

610
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: come out and tell her stories so publicly, and the

611
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 4: reason she wants to do that is to help others,

612
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: you know, to make it an easier road for some people,

613
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: or yeah, just just to to support other people going

614
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: through the same.

615
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean we were Australia was already madly in

616
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: love with you, Julie, and then I feel like, as

617
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Speaker 1: you were saying, beck To is open and as vulnerable

618
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: as you have been with the challenges of what you've

619
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Speaker 1: been through, I think everyone just went, Yep, she's my favorite.

620
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: Well, thank you your book.

621
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Speaker 2: I mean, you've written cookbooks.

622
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Speaker 3: I imagine that it was probably easier writing a cookbook

623
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Speaker 3: than it was writing your memoir. The book is called

624
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Speaker 3: Your Time Starts Now, Food and Fame, Failure and Freedom.

625
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: The Life Story of Australia's first Master Chepher. It's a

626
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: great title.

627
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, thank you. Yes, it was much harder

628
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: than a cookbook. Cookbooks are very very shary sort of

629
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Speaker 5: thing to write, because you know, you cook in your kitchen,

630
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 5: you write things down, but then the family gets involved

631
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Speaker 5: and they critique it, and you know, quite harshly sometimes,

632
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 5: but you know, and to test a recipe, I would

633
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: hand it to one of my kids and whatever questions

634
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 5: they needed to ask me was obviously a gap in

635
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 5: the recipe or information that was missing, and so it's

636
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 5: really collaborative to write a cookbook. To write a memoir,

637
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 5: the opposite had to happen. I had to take myself

638
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 5: out of the family home actually and go and stay

639
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 5: for days and sometimes a couple of weeks at a

640
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 5: time in a house by myself and just really sink

641
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 5: right deep into some of this stuff. And it was

642
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 5: it was brutal, and I had to have some very

643
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 5: hard conversations with lots of people, but most especially my

644
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 5: parents and eventually my sons. You know, they didn't they

645
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 5: didn't even know some of the stuff that's in that book.

646
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was a very very different, different process.

647
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 5: I needed support, not just my beautiful family, but I

648
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 5: needed my psychologists had to support me through a lot

649
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 5: of that as well.

650
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is there anything that you discovered about yourself as

651
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: you were writing the book or at the end of

652
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: writing the book?

653
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 5: Oh?

654
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 4: Good question.

655
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I think one of the big revelations for

656
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 5: me was it was not necessarily about myself so much

657
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 5: as it was about relationships, and you know, especially like

658
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 5: relationships with my parents, you know, like I used to joke,

659
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 5: you know, one day I'll write my life story. But

660
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Speaker 5: I got to wait till everyone I know is dead,

661
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 5: because otherwise had you write about people. But I had

662
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 5: to have these frank discussions with my parents and say,

663
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 5: I need you to understand that I'm going to write

664
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 5: some stuff that might call into question some of your

665
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 5: parenting decisions, but I need you to know that it

666
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 5: all comes from love, and there's no blame in any

667
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: of this, you know. And actually that I had underestimated them,

668
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 5: and that I kind of thought they would be why

669
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 5: would you want to air this dirty laundry? You know,

670
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 5: still that generation, Why would you air your dirty laundry

671
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 5: in public? And they were so supportive and so beautiful.

672
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 5: I know, I know it's been hard for them, you know,

673
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 5: with their peers and all of that, to sort of

674
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 5: read this level of detail of out my life. And

675
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 5: they just said, you write whatever you need to write.

676
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 5: And I even said to them, I've got the fine,

677
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 5: like I certain passages I ran by them. They never

678
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 5: asked me to change a word. And I even said

679
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 5: I've got the final draft and I'm about to send

680
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 5: it to my publisher, but I want to send it

681
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: to you first to read, and I want you to

682
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 5: tell me if there's anything in there that makes you uncomfortable.

683
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 5: And Mum just said, don't send it to me. I'll

684
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 5: read it when it's in print. Wow, I said, you

685
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 5: know what you complained to me after it's been published.

686
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 5: I don't want to hear about it. But you know,

687
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 5: and I thought, well, I did. I underestimated how they

688
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 5: would deal with that. So I think, you know, I

689
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 5: learned that about my parents. I learned that about I.

690
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 5: Guess what I learned about myself there is that I

691
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: need to stop underestimating people. I need to be as

692
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 5: honest with people as the situation calls for, because you know,

693
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 5: you allow people to sort of step up and throughout

694
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: this whole thing, and not just the writing of the book,

695
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 5: but the whole falling apart. What I learned about myself,

696
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: and this is critical and Ali, I think mums and

697
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 5: women especially might resonate with this, is that I actually

698
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 5: the world turns without you in terms of you think

699
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 5: that you've got to keep all the plates spinning by yourself,

700
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 5: and if you stop, then things won't get done, or

701
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 5: they won't get done the way you want them or

702
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 5: they won't get done in a timely fashion. But the

703
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 5: truth of the matter is I had those plates spinning

704
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 5: so hard and so fast that I fell down and

705
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 5: all the plates came crashing down, and I had to

706
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 5: step right out of my life, like I was in

707
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 5: and out of hospital for a couple of years. And

708
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 5: everyone just steps up, you know. And what happens is

709
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 5: you give the people around you an opportunity to shine

710
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 5: and to be the help heer and not just the helpe.

711
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 5: And you, you know, you give other people an opportunity.

712
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 5: And what you can say is, oh my gosh, nobody

713
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 5: ended up starving to death, nobody ended up in prison,

714
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 5: nobody that they're all still friends with each other.

715
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: You know.

716
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 5: I actually, I actually am not as important as I thought.

717
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 5: But I'm more loved than I knew.

718
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it takes all of that pressure away beautifully.

719
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: Reminds me of that that quote. Sometimes things need to

720
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: fall apart so better things can come together. And yeah,

721
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: it's beauty, not mine. I don't know where it comes.

722
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 5: From, but that that Kinsugi ethos, you know, the Japanese craft.

723
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 5: If crockery breaks, you put it back together with gold.

724
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 5: Gold becomes far stronger and far more beautiful.

725
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to trust that process, that just to accept

726
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: it and allow it.

727
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: You know, still have your into engine of what you want.

728
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: And yet sometimes you just need to let go.

729
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 5: It's hard, you will clearly.

730
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: Hey, Look, you guys have been together for a long

731
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 3: time and this is a relationship podcast for young couples.

732
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: Give us the benefit of your of your experience here.

733
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: If you can for.

734
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 3: Young couples navigating their early marriage, what would you say

735
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 3: to them? How would you advise your sons on early relationship?

736
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 5: Look, my mum wrote us a letter on our wedding

737
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 5: day that somehow ended up in our honeymoon suite. I

738
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 5: don't know how my mother inserted herself into her honeymoon suite.

739
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 5: She wrote a letter and.

740
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: Moms can do that.

741
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: That surprised.

742
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 5: And she said that her advice for them for a

743
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 5: marriage was, if you want something for yourself, do it

744
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 5: for your partner. So she said, if you feel like

745
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 5: a cup of tea, get up and make your partner

746
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 5: a cup of tea. If you feel like you want

747
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 5: some space, give your partner some space. And she said,

748
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 5: as long as you both are putting each other first,

749
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 5: then and you can trust and know that someone has

750
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 5: your interests first, and that way you trust each other

751
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 5: and you're looking after each other. So I kind of

752
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 5: took that on board, and for me, I think my

753
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 5: best advice is to just come from a place of

754
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 5: knowing that you've got a partner that loves you and

755
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 5: wants the same things as you, wants the same things

756
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 5: in your life, has the same values, and if you

757
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 5: can respect one another, if your disagreements can happen with

758
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 5: respect and love at their core. And you know, even

759
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: if every conversation we're about to disagree is you know,

760
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: I love you and you know we have the same goals,

761
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 5: But this is what I think we need to discuss.

762
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: You know.

763
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 5: It's just that respect and love always needs to be

764
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 5: held at the center and not anger. And I think

765
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 5: your grandparents had some good advice. Who didn't they make?

766
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I think someone was taking the video camera

767
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 4: around at our wedding reception. And so my mother's parents,

768
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: reg and Amelda Hannah Berry. It's such a beautiful couple.

769
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: They had twelve kids, massive, massive family. But my grandmother

770
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: was always just so peaceful. Should just be sitting in

771
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: the corner with this, you know, just a little smile

772
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: on a face reflecting on all the chaos going on

773
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 4: around her. But their advice was never let the sun

774
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: go down on your troubles.

775
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't go to bed fighting. And you know those

776
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 5: two as well. Every time they got into a car together,

777
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 5: before they put their seat belts on, they would kiss

778
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 5: Ah and it was just like sweet gesture. Yeah, it

779
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 5: was beautiful.

780
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Should we jump in this she jump in the shower.

781
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: We do something called a two minute showers that we're

782
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: just going to hit you with some quick fire questions

783
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: that if you both can answer, that would be awesome.

784
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: Sure, Okay, what about your relationship makes you feel most grateful?

785
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 4: Just? Yeah, just having jewels to share life with, you know,

786
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: like it's it's you know, a little Delilah raising her

787
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 4: you know, like I know that Julie knows how much

788
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 4: love is in my heart for that little girl, you know,

789
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 4: because she's the same.

790
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

791
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: For me, it's just he is just always They're always

792
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 5: there to hang on to when I need it, to

793
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 5: call when I'm freaking out, and just always just a

794
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 5: rock that I can absolutely rely on.

795
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: If you could relive one day with each other, what

796
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: would it be? Oh?

797
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: God, We've had so many moments, but you know, I

798
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 4: one of one of our best meals ever were in

799
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 4: Positano in Italy, just sitting outside at this ridiculous restaurant.

800
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: You know, there were waiters playing violins and singing. The

801
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: moon was sort of setting on the Mediterranean Sea. It

802
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: was it was like a scene from a really soppy movie.

803
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: But man, I just remember sitting there thinking, who am I,

804
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: What the hell is going on here? It was just

805
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: such a It was such a beautiful meal, a beautiful night,

806
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: and just a memory that I'll cherish forever.

807
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 5: I think I would choose a time when we had

808
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 5: been going out for not an overly long time, probably

809
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 5: a few months. And I always loved the South Coast.

810
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 5: I holiday down there with my family ever since I

811
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 5: was a baby, and I knew, I knew in my

812
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 5: heart because it was such a big part of my

813
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 5: childhood that whoever I end up with is going to

814
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 5: need to love it down here too, because I intend

815
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 5: to raise my children having holidays down here. And so

816
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 5: Mick joined me down the South Coast at my NaN's

817
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 5: little holiday cottage, and and I'll just want to forget,

818
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 5: like it's such a beautiful place the moon rises over

819
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 5: the ocean, and I remember him saying, oh, I love

820
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 5: it here, I love it here, and I thought, yeah, yeah,

821
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 5: we're on baby.

822
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: All right. Well, speaking of that, what do you miss

823
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: when you're not together?

824
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, just those shared moments. Yeah, and even you

825
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: don't even realize it happens, I guess, but when you know,

826
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 4: I get home from work and Jules is home, we

827
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 4: just sort of debrief our days. Yeah, so that's I

828
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 4: definitely miss that.

829
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 5: When I'm mum. So only recently Mick went away on

830
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 5: a boy's weekend away, and I honestly I miss the

831
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 5: fact that he brings me coffee in bed in the morning.

832
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 5: I miss that he'll hamm me my towel when I

833
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 5: get out of the shower. I miss that I can

834
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: just lean against him and hug him, and I just

835
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 5: feel completely wrapped up and protected, and and I miss

836
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 5: just chatting, you know, just not not the I'm going

837
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 5: to phone you and have this conversation, but just the

838
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 5: those comments that to and fro, you know, in the

839
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 5: course of that, that dance of the every day. Yeah, lovely.

840
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: Last question, one word to describe each other.

841
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: Jill's definitely is I've just got to say generous, just

842
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: generous of of everything, time, spirit, energy.

843
00:45:54,040 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's more than one word. Well the world, oh

844
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 5: my world.

845
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, that's gorgeous.

846
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: And make one final question, do you cook?

847
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 4: Look that's no. You stick to your strengths, right, I

848
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: can and I do, but not really well done.

849
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: Hey, Julie and Mick Goodwin, thank you so much for

850
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: being with us today. This has been amazing.

851
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've loved having you on and good luck with

852
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,479
Speaker 1: the book. It's called Your Time Starts Now, Food and Fame,

853
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: Failure and Freedom, The life story of Australia's first Master Chef.

854
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure people are just gonna love it, devouring love it.

855
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you guys, And there they go.

856
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: What a beautiful couple like. That's a that's a great

857
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: long standing, deep connection, isn't it?

858
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 3: Through so much Yeah, through so much weathering the time together.

859
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: It's still a long way.

860
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: Yes, as being eighteen year olds that what you would yeah,

861
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: where your life journey would have taken you, as as

862
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: Julie and met Goodwin.

863
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 5: No, amazing And.

864
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: It reminds me of that fridge magnet that you gave

865
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: me that's still on our fridge of the older couple

866
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 3: standing naked in the facing out to sea holding hands.

867
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that beautiful, that beautiful photograph. I love it,

868
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: just that looking ahead facing the water. Off we go.

869
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: She's got a big bum like me in the picture.

870
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: It's great, Julie, No the fridge magnet?

871
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: Are you well? I was hoping you weren't going to

872
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: go there with the shape? Who cares? She is two

873
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: amazing people, and I love your bum. It's not as

874
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: big as you think it is. You're going to need

875
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: a new pair of glasses.

876
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe all right, Well, look.

877
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: I'll get you fitted out.

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Speaker 1: We hope you've learnt a little bit more about the

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Speaker 1: fabulous relation relationship of Mick and Julie Goodwin and grab

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Speaker 1: her book. I'm sure it's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you next time.

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Speaker 1: Bye for now.