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Speaker 1: There is something that has just been all across the

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Speaker 1: news all year here in Victoria.

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Speaker 2: Contract killings, a plot to desecrate a grave, more than

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Speaker 2: sixty tobacco shops firebomb in just over a year in Melbourne,

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Speaker 2: the so called tobacco Wars are reaching boiling point. Rival

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Speaker 2: underworld gangs locked in a violent battle to the control

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Speaker 2: of the billion dollar elicit tobacco trade money.

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Speaker 3: As the prime motivation.

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Speaker 2: It could be valued up to two hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: a week that these crime gangs are making.

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Speaker 4: Jason Lawrence, tell me what's you know?

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Speaker 1: Trot every couple of weeks so we get a different

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Speaker 1: area of the Victorian Police in this week it is

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Speaker 1: Detective Acting Sergeant Carlie Murdock who is leading up.

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Speaker 3: The task force.

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Speaker 1: Good morning for the tobacco shop warning everyone good morning.

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Speaker 5: Just to simplify thing because we see it on the news,

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Speaker 5: the tobacco wars, people fire bombing tobacco shops. What exactly

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Speaker 5: are these people fighting about? Because buying cigarettes isn't illegal.

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Speaker 6: No it's not, so it's it's the illicit tobacco side

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Speaker 6: of things. So they're fighting over wanting control over that

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Speaker 6: elicit tobacco tobacco market.

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Speaker 5: So why is there an illicit tobacco market if it's

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Speaker 5: if it's legal anyway.

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Speaker 6: I guess the illicit market market in regards to tobacco,

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Speaker 6: it's very very high profit. So it's all to do

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Speaker 6: with money.

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Speaker 5: Is it stronger?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 6: Ah? I don't believe?

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Speaker 5: So right, it's seaper, very right. Actually, that's why people

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Speaker 5: don't want to go and pay, because buying a pack

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Speaker 5: of cigarettes is like sixty dollars.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, So the prices of varying from.

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Speaker 5: Choppy like loose leaf. It's that loose leaf tea, but

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Speaker 5: for tobacco.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha?

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Speaker 1: So correct when I go past, I don't know, mister smokes,

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Speaker 1: just a made up name, right, A tobacco shop, tobacco

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Speaker 1: shop just on my little corner group of shops. Are

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Speaker 1: they like, is it? Is it run by organized crime?

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Speaker 1: Or Joe who runs the store? Could be legit?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So potentially could be legit store that's selling legitimate cigarettes,

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Speaker 6: just like your coals and your wallworths.

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Speaker 3: And random gifts. And you notice this random gift.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's the hard part. So a lot of

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Speaker 6: these the buildings are actually owned by building owners. And

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Speaker 6: then you'll get the business lease in, who will set

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Speaker 6: up this business? And sometimes, as you just said, it's

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Speaker 6: a brand as a tobacconist. Other times it's as simple

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Speaker 6: as gifts and accessory shop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So the building owners themselves might not actually know that

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Speaker 6: the lec is selling tobacco out of their store that

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Speaker 6: they own.

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Speaker 5: So thrilled when the shop gets fire bombed.

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Speaker 6: Correct, which is there's a lot of work being done

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Speaker 6: currently in terms of notifying the building owners.

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Speaker 4: So does this calie, does this speak to Melbourne's underworld

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Speaker 4: because it is happening so much more in Victoria than

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Speaker 4: it is in any other state around Australia.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, correct, so's there's definitely an organized crime element to it.

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Speaker 6: We're finding that it's a mixture of Middle Eastern organized crime.

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Speaker 6: There is a biky element to it, different few other

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Speaker 6: syndicates around Melbourne. It's just because it is so I

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Speaker 6: guess low risk and high profit that organized crime have

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Speaker 6: taken a liking to it due to that reason.

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Speaker 4: It's the evolution of Melbourne's underworld effectively. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Correct, it's gonna be the next underbelly attack on the darts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you can screen And is it involved vapes?

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Speaker 5: Because vapes confuse me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, vapes confuse me, and I'm no. So we're being

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Speaker 6: told that, like, we're not the vape police, and we're

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Speaker 6: not like the illicit tobacco, you know, even though we

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Speaker 6: are dealing with tobacco day in, day out, we're not

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Speaker 6: targeting those people that are walking in by the discounted

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Speaker 6: illicit cigarettes. That's more of an issue when it comes

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Speaker 6: to like the ATO and a health department. It's the

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Speaker 6: arsons and the crime that's coming out of it that

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Speaker 6: we're getting involved, and that's what we're looking into. And

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Speaker 6: of course then the damage to the businesses and stuff

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Speaker 7: So we're seeing countless times a week cars being torched,

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Speaker 7: driven into the front of shop fronts.

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Speaker 4: There have been some instance of shootings and the like.

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Speaker 4: Is there a concern among police that, you know, potentially

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Speaker 4: somebody who is innocent, innocently going about their daily life

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Speaker 4: could become you know, into crime, And yeah, collateral damage.

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent, And it hasn't happened yet, luckily, And

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Speaker 6: it's to be honest, we kind of say to ourselves,

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Speaker 6: we don't know how it hasn't happened yet, that someone's

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Speaker 6: been seriously injured. But there has been cases where there's

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Speaker 6: been people either living above the stores, in the stores

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Speaker 6: at the scenes for smoking relation and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys rated any stores and found the owners

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Speaker 6: No, So what we find is that the people that

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Speaker 6: are working in these stores, sometimes there will be a

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Speaker 6: link to the organized crime element that they've got an

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Speaker 6: associate working in the store. But a lot of times

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Speaker 6: we honestly find that it's your retiree who's just making

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Speaker 6: a couple of hundred dollars a week just on cashing

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Speaker 6: hand working there, which.

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Speaker 5: Is terrible SA, and you don't know what they're getting into.

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Speaker 6: No, And to be honest, a few of them have

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Speaker 6: spoken to They don't even realize that they're doing the

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Speaker 6: they don't know.

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Speaker 4: Do you know who these cooks are?

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Speaker 6: We've got a fair idea. Of course I can't name them,

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Speaker 6: of course we've got a fair idea. There's a Middle

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Speaker 6: Eastern organized crime family that are They're the ones that

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Speaker 6: wants controlled, So they want control of the illicit tobacco

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Speaker 6: market not only in Victoria but Australia. And then you've

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Speaker 4: Only a matter of time for them?

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Speaker 6: Well, they're doing a good job potentially, but there's always

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Speaker 6: going to be rival syndicates and rival gangs when there's

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Speaker 6: so much money to be made that are going to

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Speaker 6: that's where the conflict is.

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Speaker 5: And what's the industry worth? Like how much money is being.

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Speaker 6: Made millions weekly, game billions weekly? Yeah, Australia wide, that's

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Speaker 6: what we're being told is a rough figure through the

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Speaker 6: sale of the illicit tobacco.

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Speaker 5: Is there an end to it?

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Speaker 4: Insight? I hope.

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Speaker 6: So. I think there are some things being done at

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Speaker 6: the moment at government level in terms of because Victoria

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Speaker 1: It feels like it's Melbourne and the Victoria in the

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Speaker 1: views all the time about it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we've got to take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us where on the air with Detective Acting

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Carlie Murdock. She is leading up the task force

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Speaker 1: that is trying to shut down the tobacco wars.

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Speaker 3: There's actually a question.

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Speaker 1: I've got for you, Carli, which it's the first thing

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Speaker 1: it comes to mind when I go, Hey, you've been

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Speaker 1: given this job. I'll hit you up about it. On

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Speaker 1: the other side of this here on Nova. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest. At the root of this problem, it's

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Speaker 1: people going to tobacco stores to buy cheaper tobacco than

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Speaker 1: what they should be paying.

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Speaker 3: When they're buying it, like at the supermarket.

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Speaker 4: I get, because totally get the.

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Speaker 3: Cost of living crisis and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Are the cops targeting the people who are buying it

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Speaker 1: or is that not the issue?

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Speaker 6: No, that's not what we're looking into. We're not going

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Speaker 6: to sit outside a store and grab you if you

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Speaker 6: leave with a cheap packet of cigarettes. That's not what

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Speaker 6: we do day to day. It's for us. It's more

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Speaker 6: about the organized crime behind it. Who what syndicates set

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Speaker 3: And here's a question.

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Speaker 1: Say, if I'm in the market for buying a cheap

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Speaker 1: pack of siggi's because across the living and everything. Now

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Speaker 1: I know I'm doing the wrong thing. How do I

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Speaker 1: know which stores are doing this? Are they advertising online?

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Speaker 3: Is there.

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Speaker 6: Oh, from what I've heard, some stores you walk into

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Speaker 6: them and they've got like a list so on the

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Speaker 3: So a lot of it's just word of mouth.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think.

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Speaker 3: They're not hiding it.

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Speaker 4: No, they're not hiding how how ful on this? A

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Speaker 4: lot of these gangs are kids? Are the recruiting kids?

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Speaker 4: Is that fair to say?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So a lot of the what we find a lot

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Speaker 6: of the people that are doing the arsons themselves. Ah,

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Speaker 6: you're younger, younger kids and not only gang kids, like

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Speaker 6: we've also had just kids that have heard about making

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Speaker 5: Of we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Inadvertently setting themselves on fire.

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Speaker 6: Yes, so that's and look, no one's been hurt that

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Speaker 6: I know of doing it, so we can laugh about it.

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Speaker 6: But we have seen some singed eyebrows. We've seen people

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Speaker 6: jump into cars and they're still smoldering. They'll flick off

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Speaker 6: a glove and leave it behind, which is great for us. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you see some funny stuff like dumb criminals.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: When you get given a role of being like the

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Speaker 1: leader of a task force and you're you're tackling something

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Speaker 1: which is gang related, is there a fear of you

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Speaker 1: being tied up in that, Like, do you worry about

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Speaker 1: them coming after you?

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Speaker 6: Well, I guess there's different units in Victoria Police that

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Speaker 6: target a lot of different things.

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Speaker 1: Because I commend the job you guys do. But like

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Speaker 1: when you go home at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: if you've just shut down nine tobacco stores and now

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Speaker 1: you've got this family who's running the syndicates, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: are going to hate your guts?

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Speaker 3: Surely that would play in your mind.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but I guess it's the rival syndicates that are

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Speaker 6: burning the stores. So I guess they take their anger

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Speaker 6: out on that rival syndicat more so than us. We're

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Speaker 6: just doing our job, trying to protect the businesses next door,

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Speaker 6: the people that are in these stores.

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Speaker 3: Actually, its funny you say that.

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Speaker 1: I remember when we were talking to the drug lab

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Speaker 1: cops and they were saying, nine times out of ten

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Speaker 1: when a group gets raided.

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Speaker 3: They're actually relieved to see it's the police.

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Speaker 4: Raiding the drug lab, not a rival gang.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's oh the.

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Speaker 1: Cops are here, Okay, now where his hands straight up?

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Speaker 1: They don't put up a fight, you got us?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent, that's exactly I think they take

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Speaker 6: their anger out on and put their time into figuring out, well,

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Speaker 6: who's targeted my store and who did Iron now need

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Speaker 6: to retaliate, I guess and target one of their stores.

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Speaker 1: Wow, hey, before we let you go, we had the

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Speaker 1: top cop your boss, Joanne Patten in last week and

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Speaker 1: I believe.

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Speaker 5: The order here about this.

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Speaker 6: I got briefed yesterday, yes, that he came in and

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Speaker 6: he he didn't actually know what POPO.

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Speaker 7: Was the audio. Listen to this very quickly true or false?

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Speaker 7: Chief commissioner Popo? You didn't know what popo meant?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got to get out more, obviously.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 2: My media director the other day was speaking to me

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Speaker 2: and she said, oh, they're all talking about this is

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Speaker 2: what's popo?

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Speaker 3: Just anyway, I've got to get out.

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Speaker 1: Maybe look at a rebrand on the cop carts, take

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Speaker 1: off police, put on paper.

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Speaker 4: You'll give him a bit of grief about that.

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Speaker 6: Look, we don't cross paths often.

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Speaker 5: Now you've got a reason to reach out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I might be buying a cheap pack of winning

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Speaker 1: blues when you do one of those actions.

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Speaker 4: Wow, if I see you there ll be worried.

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Speaker 1: I'll give them a lead passed between you and I. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for the work you guys are

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Speaker 1: doing the Victoria Police.

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Speaker 3: We love the cops.

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Speaker 1: It's in all the headlines and this is a really

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Speaker 1: important job you guys focusing on at the moment.

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Speaker 3: So thanks.

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Speaker 6: Coming in this morning, Lauren wake up feeling good on

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Speaker 6: Nomber one hundred, on socials,