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Speaker 1: Appoche production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am

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Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle Commons and.

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Speaker 2: In this episode I speak with Russell Small, the DJ

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Speaker 2: and producer behind Fat and Small and the Freemasons. My

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Speaker 2: first school report when I was four years old is

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Speaker 2: daydream will never amount to nothing daydreams. The week before

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Speaker 2: this first gig, I went to Magaloof. That morning of

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Speaker 2: the gig, I woke up in a stairwell in Magaloof.

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Speaker 1: Are you scared of ruining that classic by changing it?

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Speaker 2: Basically it was to get it was to get around

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Speaker 2: the fact that from nineteen ninety nine to two down

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Speaker 2: sixteen we didn't earn a penny from that record. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I've ever told the story, to be honest

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Speaker 2: with Yeah, so that's massive.

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Speaker 3: So before we get into it, let's just go on

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Speaker 3: about you growing up. There's one thing that I've got

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Speaker 3: to mention, though you're a braindon football support.

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Speaker 2: My parents have been taking me since I was young,

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Speaker 2: so it's a family thing. I also sport Man United. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know which is better, but yeah, it's just

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Speaker 2: it's just a family thing. Mum's bright and Mum held

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Speaker 2: was a season ticket up until she was seventy five. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: she had to give it up because just getting to

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Speaker 2: the ground and that she was struggling a bit. But

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Speaker 2: my brother and my son they both season tickets. They

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Speaker 2: go every week.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'll let you go there because I'm the

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Speaker 3: pull supporter, so you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So then you've said you're mine united for this, so

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Speaker 1: let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: Like you growing up, you know, family wise, kid wise, friends, schooling,

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Speaker 3: you know, tell me back to when all that was

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Speaker 3: happening for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I was brought up outside Brian place called

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Speaker 2: new Haven School was Yeah, I wasn't wasn't great at school.

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Speaker 2: I've got ADHD so that that that says a lot.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't find out till later in life. So is

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Speaker 2: that common with all DJs. It's common with artists, I

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Speaker 2: think and creatives. I think I sort of gravitate towards

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Speaker 2: people who I've found have got some sort of yeah,

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Speaker 2: because Ian's got it and I've just I've done a

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Speaker 2: few DJs too, and they they've had it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I thought I was a little bit mad for a

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Speaker 2: long time. I know, I really did. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 2: really did, And it wasn't until lockdown and I went

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Speaker 2: to see a psychiatrist because I did a day where

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Speaker 2: I just stared at the computer screen for the whole

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Speaker 2: day and did nothing. And you don't realize that, you

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Speaker 2: and I didn't realize I did it. And it was

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Speaker 2: because my we've lockdown. My whole routine, routine is everything

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Speaker 2: to me, even subconsciously, I didn't know that that's how

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Speaker 2: I was performing with my life.

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Speaker 1: Routine.

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Speaker 2: Always knew where I wanted to be, what I wanted

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Speaker 2: to do, and and lockdown. I'd never spent what spent

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Speaker 2: so long in the UK, but you know, I was

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Speaker 2: traveling every week, I was in the studio in the week.

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Speaker 2: Weekends i'd travel, go and DJ and then it was

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Speaker 2: just nothing and my brain couldn't couldn't work it out.

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Speaker 2: So yes, I went. I saw a psychiatrist and did

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Speaker 2: loads of tests on online. This was during during lockdown,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, you know you're slightly autistic and you you've

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Speaker 2: got ADHD And I was like, okay. And then it

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Speaker 2: was a case of did I want to go and

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Speaker 2: take pills, retling and stuff like that, but I chose

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Speaker 2: not to because I'd tried it once and it made

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Speaker 2: me numb a little bit. It's sort of it's started,

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Speaker 2: you know. The way I see my creativity is part

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Speaker 2: of my madness, I suppose, yeah, because it hasn't affected

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Speaker 2: year over the years, reallys it not not really part

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Speaker 2: apart apart from that. And I focus on things and

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Speaker 2: I enumerate all the time, all the time, so I

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Speaker 2: think about things like fifteen twelve years ago, things I've

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Speaker 2: guilt in the head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And it's just I've got it. That's what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, that you've got that. That's what I do. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, but lots, I mean I found

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Speaker 2: because obviously after lockdown, every everybody was, you know, had

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Speaker 2: some sort of mental health issue, which you would do,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're not supposed to be locked up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know that's what happens, you know when when you're

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Speaker 2: crazy and you know, you get your surroundings. Yeah, massive,

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Speaker 2: massive for me, it was, to be honest, it was

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Speaker 2: just nice to know, you know, I haven't acted on it.

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Speaker 2: I've you know, I've I've done a bit of tried

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Speaker 2: a bit of microdos in. I take certain pills and

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Speaker 2: potions and a lot of pills and.

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Speaker 1: The right pills and potions. Yeah. Yeah, so yes, I

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Speaker 1: take a lot of pills and potions just to or

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Speaker 1: keep me.

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Speaker 2: It's more for focus because sometimes, I mean, I I

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Speaker 2: do get I'm lucky enough to be one part of

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Speaker 2: my adhd is. I get hyper focus. But you don't

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Speaker 2: know when you're going to get it. But you do,

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Speaker 2: and you get it, and you, I mean, the whole

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Speaker 2: day just goes, don't. You're buried in your work, You're

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Speaker 2: working at hundred miles an hour, you're creative and you

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Speaker 2: don't know why. And then you know, if anyone phones

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Speaker 2: me on the phone, it makes me angry, my brain boys,

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Speaker 2: because I'm like, well, why are you calling me? It's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, like this maybe that's why they all big

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Speaker 2: up my fucking Phonecus. Okay, I didn't help because I've

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Speaker 2: ever really got into it.

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Speaker 3: And I mean because when I've interviewed a lot of

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Speaker 3: people who've got it, I don't want to pry into

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Speaker 3: it unless they want to talk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind talking about it because it's you know,

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Speaker 2: certain parts of it are quite a gift.

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Speaker 1: I should have known.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my first school report when I I was

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Speaker 2: four years old is daydreamer. My mum still got it

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Speaker 2: and it will never amount to nothing. Daydreams. That was

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Speaker 2: my first school report. Wow, So she would have sort

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Speaker 2: of taken it from there really as a kid, but

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Speaker 2: it was there was no such thing. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know everyone was naughty kids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I used to play up and yeah, used to

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Speaker 2: school school and my school was pretty rough. I mean

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Speaker 2: it was so rough that the kids burned it down.

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Speaker 2: It was a pretty pretty rough school. I didn't realize

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Speaker 2: that is, And I went it wasn't to me it

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Speaker 2: I look back at it, it was pretty rough. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they burned it down. It was like school there anymore.

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Speaker 2: Family life was was good. Family life is good. Mom

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Speaker 2: dad really good. I've got them to thank for. Or

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Speaker 2: my love of music I suppose grew up.

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Speaker 1: Were you into music in school? Yeah, yeah, I loved it.

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Speaker 2: I mean I try try various instruments, trumpet, I think

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Speaker 2: I tried guitar, alright, But keyboards I played quite loosely.

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Speaker 1: Because that was one of the lessons I used to

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, mine was English geography everything else. But okay, yes,

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Speaker 2: But the way of teaching as well then was I

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Speaker 2: lot easier Now I think I don't think I was

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Speaker 2: taught the way I should have been. We had very

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Speaker 2: large classes. Yeah, you know, there was like forty to

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Speaker 1: It was fucking hell. Yeah, it was big, big, It

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Speaker 2: School is three and a half thousand people at this school, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and I was forever getting not concentrated, getting

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Speaker 1: What did you want to be when you were surely

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Speaker 1: wasn't it you wanted to be? Like?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what when I was sixteen? I was

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Speaker 2: started djaying when I was thirteen thirteen? Yeah, what is

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Speaker 2: it with you? DJ's that?

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Speaker 3: Fucking like? Ian said the same thing. He started DJing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I my brother bought a pair of Citronic

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Speaker 2: decks belt driven decks, and we had large record collections,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we'd go out every week, me and

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Speaker 2: my brother. Mum, mum, dad give us some money to

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Speaker 2: go and buy records. Yeah, and so we used to

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Speaker 2: he keeps in a loaded useless information.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So he had the decks and then I

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Speaker 1: And then you taught yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I started doing local football club dues

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Speaker 2: and eighteenth birthdays.

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Speaker 1: How do you teach yourself?

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Speaker 3: I asked a lot of DJ's this because I've tried

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Speaker 3: to do it myself, and to me, it doesn't fucking

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Speaker 3: sound good. Yeah, it doesn't, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't blend into another song. And it's why I gave.

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Speaker 3: I always wanted to be a DJ when.

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Speaker 1: I was a kid. I'll teach it in ten minutes

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Speaker 1: because my father owned night clubs and Liverpool.

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Speaker 3: I always wanted to get in the scene, but I

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Speaker 3: could not do it and even when I came over

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Speaker 3: still could not do it.

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Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, you've got to have me.

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Speaker 3: You thought, you've ever got to know like how to

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Speaker 3: mix it in and I just couldn't. So in the

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Speaker 3: end I used to bullshit a lot of people put

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Speaker 3: someone CD in and just pretend I was doing it,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because I just couldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: But this is what I mean, Like you're thirteen fourteen

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Speaker 3: and you taught yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean there were I mean in them days,

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Speaker 2: it was just a case of blending tracks in. I

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Speaker 2: mean because it was only nineteen eighty one, eighty two. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so you know, so there wasn't The twelve inch wasn't

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was the first twelve inch, was it?

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Speaker 2: It's new Order?

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Speaker 1: When it Blue Manday, Yeah, yeah, something like that. Is

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Speaker 1: it harder it vinyl? It was?

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I love vinyl.

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Speaker 2: I think vinyls more forgiving when you're mixing as well,

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Speaker 2: because when it's digital, you can you can because of

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Speaker 2: the warmness in a record, you can get away with

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Speaker 2: just blending and mismatches of keys and stuff. But we

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Speaker 2: I think with digital you you can hear when the

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Speaker 2: pots and pans are being clashed. Okay, yeah, when you're

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Speaker 2: when you're mixing and it's going all over the place

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Speaker 2: and it found sounds like pots and pairs and pans

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Speaker 2: and crowning down the stairs. Yeah, I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: what I mean. So that it was a massive thing

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Speaker 2: It's I don't know, you know, I have trouble with

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Speaker 2: bigging up myself because you know, it's like a lot

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Speaker 2: their lives. You know, it's not it's not it's not real,

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Speaker 3: So when do you think you establish yourself as a

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Speaker 1: Obviously? I mean turn around Fats and Small, Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a classic, that's an ultimate classic song

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you that that song there is one of

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Speaker 3: in the dance scene, and it's one of these songs

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's just just just catch it. It's got

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Speaker 2: And honestly when we made it, honestly sat there for

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean because at the time it was music sounds

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Speaker 2: I want to make something like that, and I one

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Speaker 2: a Cappella's anonymous album and then just they were both.

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Speaker 2: Because he Jason was already a producer under DJ Fats.

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Speaker 2: He was started signed to Stress Records and so he'd

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Speaker 1: But did you know each other before? Yeah? Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: Derelicts and yeah, and so when yeah just broken there,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was like, yeah, we never

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so good good times. I mean I couldn't do

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Speaker 2: it was a sample. We needed a front man, and

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Speaker 2: You know, we sat down, we vibed a little bit

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Speaker 2: and chatted and he was He was perfect, to be

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Speaker 2: honest with you, and I I don't think maybe, well,

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Speaker 2: I think the record would have been, but I don't

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Speaker 1: I love him to bits. Ben.

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, we're still in contact. Yeah, still

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Speaker 3: You do any like, do any shows just for like

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Speaker 3: bring back memories of that of that song, like you

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Speaker 1: He did. Ben came and sang with me last year.

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Speaker 2: I had an album come out last year and he

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Speaker 2: So I chat with him every now and again. I

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Speaker 2: So you think then after that that came out, that

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00:21:18,801 --> 00:21:19,521
Speaker 2: was the turning.

437
00:21:19,281 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: Point in your life? Yeah, I mean it was.

438
00:21:21,521 --> 00:21:24,561
Speaker 2: It went It was played four weeks on the trot

439
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: On by Pete Tong.

440
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

441
00:21:26,441 --> 00:21:29,281
Speaker 2: So and he basically Pete Tong broke that record. Yeah,

442
00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 2: thanks Pete. I've never never met a guy, but wow,

443
00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: but yeah, he broke the record.

444
00:21:34,241 --> 00:21:36,241
Speaker 1: And and then.

445
00:21:36,561 --> 00:21:39,481
Speaker 2: Because MTV even put it to the number thirty eight

446
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,681
Speaker 2: of the nineties dance songs in history best ones.

447
00:21:42,521 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 1: Is that yeah? Yeah it should be higher, really, you

448
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:47,761
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

449
00:21:47,801 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 3: So it's but that that to me, that's one of

450
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 3: the songs that you knew from the nineties, you know

451
00:21:52,201 --> 00:21:53,761
Speaker 3: what I mean, like at that era, you know what

452
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,241
Speaker 3: I mean.

453
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,841
Speaker 1: From that era. Yeah, it was a disco house here.

454
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,281
Speaker 2: It definitely is, and it's you know, it's brought me

455
00:22:00,321 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 2: a house time. I didn't play it, I really know,

456
00:22:07,321 --> 00:22:10,321
Speaker 2: because I got I got sick of it. I mean

457
00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 2: I was playing it. You know, we were playing at

458
00:22:12,201 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: one point in the height of Fats and Small. We

459
00:22:13,961 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 2: were playing five six shows a week, and then me

460
00:22:17,521 --> 00:22:21,761
Speaker 2: and Jason, who used to work with we stopped working together.

461
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: We fell out. I just had bad memories of it

462
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,521
Speaker 2: because of the way we fell out. So I didn't

463
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,121
Speaker 2: play it for a because basically, I mean as soon

464
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,521
Speaker 2: as I finished Fans a Small started with the Freemason. Yes,

465
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: so it sort of then I started playing Love on

466
00:22:38,241 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: my Mind instead of playing turn Around.

467
00:22:41,001 --> 00:22:43,761
Speaker 1: So it's sort of, yeah, did you hate fact?

468
00:22:43,761 --> 00:22:45,881
Speaker 3: When fans came up to you, he just goes, you're

469
00:22:45,961 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 3: the produce from you know, turn Around?

470
00:22:47,761 --> 00:22:49,241
Speaker 1: Or you don't like that? No?

471
00:22:49,241 --> 00:22:51,441
Speaker 2: No, I know, I don't know. No people people don't

472
00:22:51,481 --> 00:22:56,961
Speaker 2: they don't they just sing it. I really just walking

473
00:22:57,001 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: down the road and go, hey what but not not

474
00:23:03,281 --> 00:23:05,481
Speaker 2: so much these days, but obviously yeah, back then, in

475
00:23:05,521 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: the sort of early two thousands, that used to that

476
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,561
Speaker 2: a lot in Brighton.

477
00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:10,761
Speaker 1: Wow, it's funny. Yeah.

478
00:23:10,761 --> 00:23:14,041
Speaker 2: Then you brought out another track, feel Good, feel Good Yeah,

479
00:23:14,041 --> 00:23:16,241
Speaker 2: which was another kind of classic suit.

480
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow love feel good you do?

481
00:23:18,441 --> 00:23:18,681
Speaker 2: Yeah?

482
00:23:18,761 --> 00:23:21,241
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's good. I actually played it the other week.

483
00:23:22,481 --> 00:23:24,481
Speaker 1: Who was who's there? So, who's the brains behind it?

484
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: Or like we were you the brains behind everything for

485
00:23:27,241 --> 00:23:31,121
Speaker 2: the you know, going about or no, I was Jason

486
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:35,041
Speaker 2: used to do the computer. Yeah, and I'm more ideas.

487
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:37,401
Speaker 2: I bought all the ideas to the table. Okay, so

488
00:23:38,281 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: now now I right do the ideas. And then then I.

489
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,321
Speaker 3: Go out of them two songs, which one's your favorite?

490
00:23:46,001 --> 00:23:48,721
Speaker 1: I actually like them both. I mean that's not I

491
00:23:48,801 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: wanted to hear. I would go to go, I'll go

492
00:23:53,441 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: and turn around, turn around and turn around. Yeah. Yeah,

493
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,001
Speaker 1: as I said, it's a it's a classic. Yeah, and

494
00:23:58,041 --> 00:24:00,801
Speaker 1: it's you know, and even the video to it is

495
00:24:00,961 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: the video.

496
00:24:01,441 --> 00:24:04,241
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm getting Chris you Bank in the video

497
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: with he used to drive it up and this truck

498
00:24:07,681 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: up and down the road in Brighton. We're sitting in

499
00:24:09,761 --> 00:24:12,041
Speaker 2: the CAF and Chris just pulls up and he just

500
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: parks anywhere he likes and he gets out there with

501
00:24:15,721 --> 00:24:19,401
Speaker 2: his stick and his suit and he's monocle and it's

502
00:24:19,481 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: just And then we were like, how about getting him

503
00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:25,521
Speaker 2: in the video. And somebody we knew knew his personal

504
00:24:25,521 --> 00:24:27,921
Speaker 2: assystem and we and we went, oh, you know, can

505
00:24:27,961 --> 00:24:29,761
Speaker 2: we get you in our video? And he went, only

506
00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: if I could have my truck in it, and we

507
00:24:32,681 --> 00:24:38,761
Speaker 2: were like, yeah right, why not? Yeah, so they wrote

508
00:24:38,761 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: his truck into the script. Wow, we got got to

509
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: sit down and have lunch of him. Nice guy, strange

510
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: guys for a payroll, just wanted to sharp.

511
00:24:52,281 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: So also, like, you've also done remixes tracks for Simply Read?

512
00:24:58,001 --> 00:25:00,481
Speaker 1: Is that true? Have done simply Read?

513
00:25:00,561 --> 00:25:00,721
Speaker 2: Yeah?

514
00:25:00,761 --> 00:25:03,001
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fat, Fats and Small Yeah we did. We did

515
00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:03,521
Speaker 1: Simply Read?

516
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,641
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was there was so I forget actually there

517
00:25:07,681 --> 00:25:10,601
Speaker 2: is so many, yeah there is, yeah, yeah we did.

518
00:25:10,681 --> 00:25:12,521
Speaker 3: There was a list of like I had to only

519
00:25:12,521 --> 00:25:15,401
Speaker 3: got a couple like the Simply Read and f Wind

520
00:25:15,441 --> 00:25:15,761
Speaker 3: and Fire.

521
00:25:15,801 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 2: You've done September yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which was

522
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: which was great. We've got the multi tracks for that,

523
00:25:21,281 --> 00:25:25,321
Speaker 2: so we've got all the original tapes and push up,

524
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: push up, all the volumes on on a big desk,

525
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: and you had all the outtakes and all the talking

526
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,641
Speaker 2: so that you know, in our in our version of it,

527
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,041
Speaker 2: there's stuff that's not in the original that obviously that

528
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: it was taken out. But yeah, great honor to do

529
00:25:38,241 --> 00:25:43,681
Speaker 2: that track because because the fire, Yeah, disco gods and yeah, yeah.

530
00:25:43,761 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: You bet. Do you prefer doing festivals or nightclubs?

531
00:25:46,761 --> 00:25:52,321
Speaker 2: I prefer doing nightclubs because intimate, more intimate, and also

532
00:25:52,521 --> 00:25:55,761
Speaker 2: because I can get away from playing my own music

533
00:25:56,041 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: a little bit more. If you could turn up at

534
00:25:58,681 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: a festival there, you know, and you're up there, so

535
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: fats and small, the Freemasons or whatever, people expect to

536
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: hear all your hits and you have to give it

537
00:26:09,801 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: to really. But in a club you can, you know,

538
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,561
Speaker 2: you can you play a lot longer as well. You

539
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,801
Speaker 2: probably get two to three hours. I mean, I love

540
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,001
Speaker 2: playing four or five hours. Whenever I used to go

541
00:26:20,041 --> 00:26:23,521
Speaker 2: to America. In America, they insist if you're a guest

542
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,881
Speaker 2: DJ O there you come playing five hour set.

543
00:26:27,001 --> 00:26:29,801
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And it's great because it's liberating.

544
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,321
Speaker 2: You can you know, you can go here, there and everywhere,

545
00:26:32,481 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: and you can and you can still play all your hits,

546
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,041
Speaker 2: but when you're at a festival and you're crammed into

547
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:40,601
Speaker 2: an hour, it's just like, well, you know, and they

548
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: want to hear your hits. Yeah, well that's that's it.

549
00:26:42,521 --> 00:26:48,001
Speaker 2: That's that's your out. Definitely clubs and definitely definitely small clubs. Okay,

550
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,721
Speaker 2: all right, there was another question. What was your favorite

551
00:26:50,801 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: place to go in the UK to play?

552
00:26:54,281 --> 00:26:57,921
Speaker 3: Besides playing at your hometown in Brighton, right, where did

553
00:26:57,921 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 3: you enjoy going all over UK to play Tough One?

554
00:27:01,721 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't upset anyone, I'm just trying to think.

555
00:27:07,321 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 2: When I first started, there was this club in Colnbrook,

556
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: this slough there, it's just round the M twenty five.

557
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,321
Speaker 1: Is that down south? Yes?

558
00:27:20,481 --> 00:27:24,481
Speaker 2: Near London? Oh, okay, near London, and it was do

559
00:27:24,561 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: you remember Miss Money pannies? Okay, so you have Miss

560
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,401
Speaker 2: Money pannies and used to have this place called Full Circle.

561
00:27:29,681 --> 00:27:34,521
Speaker 2: They were the Sunday the Sunday clubs, and so all

562
00:27:34,561 --> 00:27:38,641
Speaker 2: the DJs that were around them all used to go

563
00:27:38,721 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: and play at this club on Sunday afternoon. It was

564
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: before you could drink on a Sunday, so they had

565
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: to give out drink, drink, food, tickets. Okay, So you

566
00:27:47,521 --> 00:27:49,241
Speaker 2: had to have food to get in here, to be

567
00:27:49,321 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: able to drink.

568
00:27:49,961 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. So.

569
00:27:51,281 --> 00:27:55,041
Speaker 2: And it was tiny, little place, but you had anybody

570
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,281
Speaker 2: and everybody Tanaglia, everybody playing there back in them days

571
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,321
Speaker 2: and yeah, and it was just where everyone went to

572
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: get wasted on a Sunday Sunday afternoon. Yeah, and it

573
00:28:07,481 --> 00:28:09,481
Speaker 2: was you know, and then they had special events where

574
00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: they went into the garden and you know they you know,

575
00:28:13,481 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: Savors of Paradise, Andy Andy weather All was there all

576
00:28:15,961 --> 00:28:18,961
Speaker 2: the time, and people like that, Fally and Fari and

577
00:28:19,041 --> 00:28:23,041
Speaker 2: Heller and yeah, so Express two. So it was a

578
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: really good place to connect and get to know, you know,

579
00:28:27,001 --> 00:28:28,041
Speaker 2: other people in the business.

580
00:28:28,521 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 3: Is there an answers that you would have liked to

581
00:28:30,201 --> 00:28:34,321
Speaker 3: have done a track for, or played alongside, or done

582
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,401
Speaker 3: a remix of for their track that you've you've never you.

583
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,321
Speaker 1: Know, Amy Winehouse would have been would have been nice.

584
00:28:41,481 --> 00:28:42,361
Speaker 1: She would have been nice.

585
00:28:42,361 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: And to be honestly, I love I love divas, I

586
00:28:45,281 --> 00:28:48,921
Speaker 2: love anyone with a big voice. When we were remixing,

587
00:28:49,201 --> 00:28:53,721
Speaker 2: that was generally the requisite that they So you.

588
00:28:53,641 --> 00:28:55,441
Speaker 3: Took a bit of time off and then came back

589
00:28:55,441 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: in two thousand and five with new vocalists and a

590
00:28:58,761 --> 00:29:01,521
Speaker 3: new album. What made you take that rest? Were you

591
00:29:01,561 --> 00:29:03,641
Speaker 3: just over the scene or did you just want to

592
00:29:03,681 --> 00:29:04,841
Speaker 3: take right?

593
00:29:05,281 --> 00:29:05,481
Speaker 1: Yeah?

594
00:29:05,601 --> 00:29:08,521
Speaker 2: We were writing, oh yeah, yeah, so we really didn't

595
00:29:08,521 --> 00:29:13,641
Speaker 2: really take any time off. We're just djaying, dejaying are everywhere.

596
00:29:13,721 --> 00:29:14,321
Speaker 1: I mean, it was.

597
00:29:14,521 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: It was quite manic from ninety nine to two thousand

598
00:29:17,521 --> 00:29:20,281
Speaker 2: and six. I would say I call them the lost

599
00:29:20,361 --> 00:29:23,961
Speaker 2: years because I don't remember a great deal about I wish,

600
00:29:24,561 --> 00:29:29,721
Speaker 2: I wish I did, But it was it was planes, clubs, drinking,

601
00:29:30,481 --> 00:29:32,641
Speaker 2: have a club on a plane another another.

602
00:29:32,961 --> 00:29:36,881
Speaker 1: Were you ever over it? Remeever time you just go

603
00:29:37,001 --> 00:29:38,361
Speaker 1: and die? I think I'm over this?

604
00:29:38,561 --> 00:29:41,681
Speaker 2: Yeah. Lockdown did that for me? Okay, yeah, Lockdown. I

605
00:29:41,721 --> 00:29:44,761
Speaker 2: mean up until then, I was obviously because it was

606
00:29:44,841 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: my thing. Yeah, and so, but after Lockdown, I was like,

607
00:29:49,001 --> 00:29:50,761
Speaker 2: I can't do that. You've lost the ar Yeah I

608
00:29:50,761 --> 00:29:52,561
Speaker 2: can't do that. Yeah, I can't do that anymore. I

609
00:29:52,561 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: love I still love playing, but I don't, you know,

610
00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:58,081
Speaker 2: I want to play two for it two three times

611
00:29:58,081 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: a month. Maybe yeah, but yeah, I couldn't do it

612
00:30:01,281 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: like they do now. But maybe I could, because you know,

613
00:30:04,281 --> 00:30:06,321
Speaker 2: we used to have to hop on and off planes.

614
00:30:06,401 --> 00:30:09,401
Speaker 2: Now now they're all getting private jets and it's it's

615
00:30:09,401 --> 00:30:11,641
Speaker 2: a lot easier to get from one country to a

616
00:30:11,681 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: to another.

617
00:30:12,481 --> 00:30:12,681
Speaker 1: You know.

618
00:30:13,401 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: You know, we were like flight ear flight, they're losing

619
00:30:16,481 --> 00:30:19,921
Speaker 2: your records, you know, turn up and wear's your records

620
00:30:19,961 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: and all this kind of ship it was. Yeah, I

621
00:30:22,281 --> 00:30:26,201
Speaker 2: think it's sport now, Yeah, sport brats. A lot of DJs,

622
00:30:26,641 --> 00:30:30,161
Speaker 2: a lot of DJs overrated in a way where they

623
00:30:30,201 --> 00:30:33,401
Speaker 2: haven't done what the likes of you've done, but they're

624
00:30:33,401 --> 00:30:34,841
Speaker 2: still they've been put up.

625
00:30:35,241 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's social media, of course, Yeah, it is.

626
00:30:37,561 --> 00:30:38,481
Speaker 1: It is social media.

627
00:30:38,641 --> 00:30:40,921
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and I've I've been told off

628
00:30:41,041 --> 00:30:43,801
Speaker 2: numerous times by people to get me out together and

629
00:30:43,801 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: get my social media together, and I'm.

630
00:30:46,561 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: That is that. I'm nearly sixty.

631
00:30:47,881 --> 00:30:50,041
Speaker 2: But you know what, it's It's funny you said that

632
00:30:50,081 --> 00:30:52,481
Speaker 2: because a lot of the old school DJs that i've

633
00:30:52,641 --> 00:30:54,761
Speaker 2: i've now interviewed say the same thing.

634
00:30:55,361 --> 00:30:58,281
Speaker 3: I don't care about social media. I'm not big on

635
00:30:58,321 --> 00:31:01,641
Speaker 3: social media. I haven't got time for social media, so

636
00:31:01,761 --> 00:31:05,321
Speaker 3: it must be a thing for yourself. And the old

637
00:31:05,361 --> 00:31:07,761
Speaker 3: school DJs back from them errors that they just go,

638
00:31:07,881 --> 00:31:10,561
Speaker 3: you know what this is how I've done it all

639
00:31:10,601 --> 00:31:13,561
Speaker 3: the time. I don't want to concentrate on putting posts

640
00:31:13,641 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: up and all this.

641
00:31:14,401 --> 00:31:17,601
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the problem is is you've got to go change.

642
00:31:17,641 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: You've got to change, You've got to move with the times,

643
00:31:19,561 --> 00:31:22,001
Speaker 2: because I always get left behind. You know, if I

644
00:31:22,121 --> 00:31:24,361
Speaker 2: you know, if I wanted ten ten gigs a month,

645
00:31:24,481 --> 00:31:27,441
Speaker 2: then then I would have to really put myself out there.

646
00:31:27,481 --> 00:31:32,961
Speaker 1: And yeah, performing there is it is pretty I.

647
00:31:32,881 --> 00:31:34,921
Speaker 2: Mean, I mean the kids, you know, the young kids,

648
00:31:34,921 --> 00:31:37,681
Speaker 2: they're growing, they've grown up with it. They're they're more

649
00:31:38,161 --> 00:31:40,881
Speaker 2: computer literate than what we are. You know, we've grown

650
00:31:40,961 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: up with it. They already had it, so they I

651
00:31:44,281 --> 00:31:46,881
Speaker 2: think they know what they're doing more to a certain extent,

652
00:31:47,481 --> 00:31:50,761
Speaker 2: and they've got the confidence, I think to do it.

653
00:31:50,801 --> 00:31:53,961
Speaker 1: Whereas I think, who wants to listen to me saying

654
00:31:54,001 --> 00:31:57,761
Speaker 1: that ship? You know? I mean it's you know, I'm

655
00:31:57,801 --> 00:31:58,241
Speaker 1: with you on that?

656
00:31:58,441 --> 00:31:58,721
Speaker 2: Really?

657
00:31:58,761 --> 00:32:03,241
Speaker 1: Anyone interesting myself?

658
00:32:04,001 --> 00:32:06,081
Speaker 3: This is a question I really wanted to ask you. Okay,

659
00:32:06,161 --> 00:32:09,321
Speaker 3: you did a new version of Turnaround in twenty sixteen. Yes,

660
00:32:09,801 --> 00:32:10,801
Speaker 3: now this.

661
00:32:10,681 --> 00:32:14,321
Speaker 1: Is a question doing that to a classic like you

662
00:32:14,561 --> 00:32:17,521
Speaker 1: you had? Are you scared of ruining that classic by

663
00:32:17,641 --> 00:32:18,161
Speaker 1: changing it?

664
00:32:18,521 --> 00:32:22,681
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it was. It was pretty much the same.

665
00:32:23,201 --> 00:32:26,161
Speaker 2: Basically it was to get it was to get around

666
00:32:26,201 --> 00:32:29,281
Speaker 2: the fact that from nineteen ninety nine to twenty sixteen

667
00:32:29,321 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: we didn't earn a penny from that record.

668
00:32:31,201 --> 00:32:33,561
Speaker 1: So virtually you were just revamping it to bring it

669
00:32:33,601 --> 00:32:33,921
Speaker 1: back out.

670
00:32:33,961 --> 00:32:35,761
Speaker 2: We were bringing it back out so we could earn

671
00:32:35,801 --> 00:32:38,401
Speaker 2: some money from it. Okay, I get yeah, because what

672
00:32:38,521 --> 00:32:44,641
Speaker 2: happened was it was signed to Multiply Records, who went

673
00:32:44,921 --> 00:32:49,081
Speaker 2: and got the samples cleared in the record. But I

674
00:32:49,161 --> 00:32:52,561
Speaker 2: made for a big record company. They made a schoolboy era.

675
00:32:53,201 --> 00:32:58,041
Speaker 2: They didn't get how much or how much the guy wanted.

676
00:32:58,201 --> 00:33:00,281
Speaker 2: They just said, oh yeah, yep, you can use them,

677
00:33:00,281 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: and then they go in they went oh great, and

678
00:33:02,201 --> 00:33:05,921
Speaker 2: then put the record out and then Boath come back

679
00:33:05,961 --> 00:33:11,641
Speaker 2: and went, I want ninety the record. And after five

680
00:33:11,761 --> 00:33:16,081
Speaker 2: years that record belongs to me. It's this guy he

681
00:33:16,201 --> 00:33:18,761
Speaker 2: buy I mean, this is how the guy makes his

682
00:33:19,001 --> 00:33:23,521
Speaker 2: makes his money. They buy up back catalogs. So basically,

683
00:33:23,681 --> 00:33:27,641
Speaker 2: after five years, that track went to this company in Canada,

684
00:33:28,321 --> 00:33:32,281
Speaker 2: Wow Uni disc So we yeah, so we from up

685
00:33:32,321 --> 00:33:35,681
Speaker 2: until twenty sixteen we didn't and so we recorded it

686
00:33:36,521 --> 00:33:37,521
Speaker 2: so we would get.

687
00:33:37,361 --> 00:33:41,401
Speaker 1: Some money out of it. That is massive. Yeah.

688
00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:43,801
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever told the story, to be

689
00:33:43,801 --> 00:33:46,921
Speaker 2: honest with so that's massive. Yeah. So yeah, I mean

690
00:33:46,961 --> 00:33:48,921
Speaker 2: everyone goes, oh, you know, and yeah, you know, I

691
00:33:49,681 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: got a career out of it, and you know, and

692
00:33:52,521 --> 00:33:56,321
Speaker 2: the djaying you there's nothing going into your account for

693
00:33:56,521 --> 00:34:00,081
Speaker 2: but with empty royalties, you know, and for such a

694
00:34:00,121 --> 00:34:03,841
Speaker 2: massive selling record. It was heartbreaking a little bit, I suppose,

695
00:34:03,961 --> 00:34:06,921
Speaker 2: but then you know, you you look at the bigger

696
00:34:06,961 --> 00:34:10,321
Speaker 2: picture and you and you go, oh, you know, it

697
00:34:10,401 --> 00:34:12,561
Speaker 2: is what it is, and you know, you just got

698
00:34:12,601 --> 00:34:15,681
Speaker 2: to move on and you know, and we've done all right.

699
00:34:15,681 --> 00:34:19,321
Speaker 2: I've had a great career, so you know, wow, just

700
00:34:19,321 --> 00:34:21,481
Speaker 2: just one of just one of them things. And it's business.

701
00:34:21,521 --> 00:34:24,521
Speaker 2: But it was a mistake by the record company who

702
00:34:24,641 --> 00:34:27,201
Speaker 2: you know, they were to blame, and you know, we

703
00:34:27,281 --> 00:34:31,121
Speaker 2: lost the rights to the record blood yell. So we

704
00:34:31,241 --> 00:34:35,641
Speaker 2: remade it with no samples. What was the the reason

705
00:34:35,721 --> 00:34:44,921
Speaker 2: you formed the Freemasons James was I was already working

706
00:34:45,001 --> 00:34:51,401
Speaker 2: with James as part of Fats and Small because Jason

707
00:34:51,681 --> 00:34:59,521
Speaker 2: had serious mental and alcohol problems and so in the

708
00:34:59,601 --> 00:35:07,921
Speaker 2: end that's basically what split up. And James was already

709
00:35:08,001 --> 00:35:10,601
Speaker 2: sort of an integral part. I was in with James

710
00:35:10,841 --> 00:35:13,641
Speaker 2: more than I was in with Jason doing the fats

711
00:35:13,641 --> 00:35:16,641
Speaker 2: and small stuff, because Jason just wasn't physically.

712
00:35:16,281 --> 00:35:19,241
Speaker 1: Able to do it. When did you come up with

713
00:35:19,241 --> 00:35:20,921
Speaker 1: a name? What the Freemasons?

714
00:35:20,961 --> 00:35:23,001
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pub at the top of the road because

715
00:35:24,121 --> 00:35:27,481
Speaker 2: really yeah, yeah, yeah, the Freemason's Arms is the top

716
00:35:27,521 --> 00:35:28,961
Speaker 2: of the road where I live in Brighton.

717
00:35:29,041 --> 00:35:34,241
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And we had our studio first, first three tracks.

718
00:35:34,241 --> 00:35:37,561
Speaker 3: Because you know, when you Google you you've got yourself

719
00:35:37,601 --> 00:35:42,761
Speaker 3: and then you've got the Free Masons.

720
00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:43,241
Speaker 1: It's mad.

721
00:35:43,281 --> 00:35:46,241
Speaker 2: It's like even on even on social media, people are

722
00:35:46,241 --> 00:35:49,001
Speaker 2: going even the other day, you know, some sort of

723
00:35:49,001 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: conspiracy that have you seen? Have you seen that Freemason's

724
00:35:52,481 --> 00:35:54,801
Speaker 2: logo in the middle of the o and and you

725
00:35:54,841 --> 00:35:57,401
Speaker 2: know when did he join the Free And I'm not

726
00:35:57,441 --> 00:36:00,361
Speaker 2: a member of It's just like it's named after a pub.

727
00:36:00,401 --> 00:36:02,721
Speaker 2: You know, we've we've been threatened by all the Todller's

728
00:36:03,081 --> 00:36:06,641
Speaker 2: really oh yeah, god, yeah Yeahian Toddler's like, you know,

729
00:36:07,201 --> 00:36:09,921
Speaker 2: saying about the music. I've had all people from the

730
00:36:09,921 --> 00:36:12,601
Speaker 2: Freemasons coming on there and disteners. But we did we

731
00:36:12,681 --> 00:36:15,641
Speaker 2: actually back in the two thousands, we didn't interview for

732
00:36:15,721 --> 00:36:20,321
Speaker 2: The Masonic Traveler for for for a Free Mason's Podcast.

733
00:36:20,841 --> 00:36:25,041
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it's funny. It's just just over a name,

734
00:36:25,081 --> 00:36:28,201
Speaker 2: but it's but it's nothing to do with the you know,

735
00:36:28,641 --> 00:36:32,681
Speaker 2: the Sonic Lodges, and it's just it's just down to

736
00:36:32,801 --> 00:36:34,641
Speaker 2: it's just down to the pub. It was just like

737
00:36:35,121 --> 00:36:39,321
Speaker 2: and and it caused a bit of control control controversy

738
00:36:40,361 --> 00:36:42,441
Speaker 2: and it did its job. It did its job because

739
00:36:42,441 --> 00:36:45,521
Speaker 2: it's it's it's memorable, like fats and small. You know,

740
00:36:45,561 --> 00:36:47,801
Speaker 2: it's very very hard to come up with it with

741
00:36:47,841 --> 00:36:51,401
Speaker 2: a catchy name. You know, we me and James with

742
00:36:51,401 --> 00:36:54,601
Speaker 2: with the Freemasons. We we had so many other aliases,

743
00:36:54,921 --> 00:36:57,441
Speaker 2: but mostly they were named after Brighton pubs.

744
00:36:58,081 --> 00:37:00,641
Speaker 1: Yeah, who which which?

745
00:37:00,881 --> 00:37:02,321
Speaker 2: Okay, this might be a hard one for you to

746
00:37:02,321 --> 00:37:04,961
Speaker 2: to say, out of fat and Smalls, right and the

747
00:37:05,081 --> 00:37:09,361
Speaker 2: Free Masons. Which one have you enjoyed doing the most?

748
00:37:09,481 --> 00:37:12,881
Speaker 2: But which one's been more successful? You recond Free Masons? Yeah, yeah,

749
00:37:12,961 --> 00:37:17,681
Speaker 2: I mean Free Masons. Yes, because you know, because the

750
00:37:17,761 --> 00:37:23,521
Speaker 2: amount that we've done free Free Beyonce Records nominated for

751
00:37:23,521 --> 00:37:26,201
Speaker 2: a Grammy. Yes, I seen that. I've seen that. You know,

752
00:37:26,241 --> 00:37:29,841
Speaker 2: I've got to do Luther andros Whitney Houston. So it's

753
00:37:29,881 --> 00:37:32,641
Speaker 2: just like all these all these great but you don't

754
00:37:32,681 --> 00:37:36,281
Speaker 2: think that if Jason not got into this, into the

755
00:37:36,281 --> 00:37:38,641
Speaker 2: state that he did, you could have got bigger with

756
00:37:38,641 --> 00:37:43,881
Speaker 2: Fatten Smalls. I don't know. I don't I really don't know.

757
00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:49,201
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can't answer that, but you know, but

758
00:37:49,361 --> 00:37:52,961
Speaker 2: it was it was a relief to get out in

759
00:37:53,001 --> 00:37:53,321
Speaker 2: the end.

760
00:37:53,641 --> 00:37:53,961
Speaker 1: Okay.

761
00:37:54,121 --> 00:37:56,561
Speaker 2: So it was like a lease of life and new

762
00:37:56,641 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: lease of life for me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

763
00:37:59,001 --> 00:38:00,121
Speaker 2: I needed I needed to go.

764
00:38:00,241 --> 00:38:04,961
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, because the Free Masons like the track that

765
00:38:05,281 --> 00:38:07,241
Speaker 3: comes to mind but me is Love on Your Mind.

766
00:38:07,441 --> 00:38:09,681
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's another classic, you know what I mean.

767
00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:11,121
Speaker 2: And that's another one that you can play in your

768
00:38:11,121 --> 00:38:13,481
Speaker 2: can you you actually think you're you know, yeah, they

769
00:38:13,681 --> 00:38:17,161
Speaker 2: like it and then watching too. Yeah, that's that's another one.

770
00:38:17,241 --> 00:38:22,961
Speaker 2: We've we've just secretly this is exclusive. Oh fuck, I've

771
00:38:23,001 --> 00:38:27,241
Speaker 2: got an exclusive, right, well, we did. We've actually been

772
00:38:27,761 --> 00:38:30,001
Speaker 2: we've been in the studio one day a wait for

773
00:38:30,041 --> 00:38:33,601
Speaker 2: the last year, me and James because we haven't made

774
00:38:33,641 --> 00:38:38,801
Speaker 2: anything together for sixteen years, so we've been in doing

775
00:38:39,201 --> 00:38:40,401
Speaker 2: doing our greatest hits.

776
00:38:40,601 --> 00:38:41,321
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

777
00:38:41,521 --> 00:38:43,721
Speaker 2: So we've been redoing all the tracks and a couple

778
00:38:43,761 --> 00:38:46,921
Speaker 2: of new ones as well. So yeah, so that's hopefully

779
00:38:47,161 --> 00:38:50,921
Speaker 2: well it is coming out this year. Wow sometime we've

780
00:38:51,641 --> 00:38:54,721
Speaker 2: yeah one BM with BMG. So we're just we're just

781
00:38:54,881 --> 00:38:56,721
Speaker 2: so you're going to be going around with that around

782
00:38:56,721 --> 00:38:58,721
Speaker 2: the world and crossing the t's and dot in the

783
00:38:58,721 --> 00:39:03,361
Speaker 2: eyes at the moment. There's your private jet contracts. Yeah,

784
00:39:03,361 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: there's private jet.

785
00:39:04,641 --> 00:39:08,561
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, maybe you never know it would be nice

786
00:39:08,561 --> 00:39:09,321
Speaker 1: before I retire.

787
00:39:10,641 --> 00:39:14,641
Speaker 3: So when you look back, what's your fondest memory of

788
00:39:14,721 --> 00:39:16,401
Speaker 3: looking back at what everything you've done?

789
00:39:18,281 --> 00:39:23,601
Speaker 2: The Grammy nomination is probably the the icing on the cake. Yeah,

790
00:39:23,641 --> 00:39:25,841
Speaker 2: it was, Yeah, I mean, but we've done done a

791
00:39:25,841 --> 00:39:27,961
Speaker 2: lot of you know, big. I mean I can look

792
00:39:28,001 --> 00:39:30,561
Speaker 2: back to fats and small and go. We did the

793
00:39:30,641 --> 00:39:33,441
Speaker 2: Prince's Trust in High Park two hundred and fifty thousand

794
00:39:33,521 --> 00:39:37,321
Speaker 2: people and it was just and that was just like

795
00:39:38,121 --> 00:39:41,841
Speaker 2: mind blowing. Yeah yeah, even though we were miming and

796
00:39:42,321 --> 00:39:45,361
Speaker 2: standing there playing two records that ain't really plugged in.

797
00:39:48,641 --> 00:39:55,841
Speaker 1: Singer is miming. It's just like but yeah, but you

798
00:39:56,081 --> 00:39:59,721
Speaker 1: get away with it and then not so much these days.

799
00:39:59,721 --> 00:40:02,481
Speaker 1: I don't think when you when you were at the Grammys.

800
00:40:02,521 --> 00:40:03,561
Speaker 1: Did you actually go to the Grammys?

801
00:40:03,601 --> 00:40:07,881
Speaker 2: No? Didn't didn't go. Okay, no I didn't go. I should. Well,

802
00:40:07,921 --> 00:40:11,161
Speaker 2: we thought, well, we're not re invited. We haven't been told. Yeah,

803
00:40:11,241 --> 00:40:13,961
Speaker 2: yeah you could, you could go, and that they just

804
00:40:14,001 --> 00:40:16,041
Speaker 2: sent you. You've got I've got a medal with the

805
00:40:16,041 --> 00:40:19,001
Speaker 2: Grammys on it and a certificate. But we were at

806
00:40:19,001 --> 00:40:21,361
Speaker 2: that time, we were just you know, we were in

807
00:40:20,961 --> 00:40:23,321
Speaker 2: the studio. We didn't think we were going to win it,

808
00:40:23,321 --> 00:40:26,041
Speaker 2: and we didn't win it, so we were we were

809
00:40:26,081 --> 00:40:29,481
Speaker 2: just carried on working. We're in our own little bubble,

810
00:40:29,521 --> 00:40:31,041
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, because people say to me,

811
00:40:31,401 --> 00:40:33,561
Speaker 2: that must have been a mad time, you know, you know,

812
00:40:34,481 --> 00:40:37,081
Speaker 2: number ones with Beyonce and stuff like that, and we

813
00:40:37,121 --> 00:40:40,001
Speaker 2: were going and to be honest with you, we really

814
00:40:40,041 --> 00:40:43,761
Speaker 2: didn't feel the impact impact because because it wasn't our record,

815
00:40:44,361 --> 00:40:47,721
Speaker 2: it was it was Beyonce's record. Yeah, so and you know,

816
00:40:48,281 --> 00:40:51,201
Speaker 2: we you know, we never got the stats and didn't know.

817
00:40:51,321 --> 00:40:54,001
Speaker 2: We didn't know till we went to America that you know,

818
00:40:54,801 --> 00:40:57,921
Speaker 2: track we did, a Beyonce track was number one in

819
00:40:58,041 --> 00:41:01,881
Speaker 2: nineteen countries and it was just like and we were like, oh,

820
00:41:02,681 --> 00:41:03,721
Speaker 2: if we know that we would.

821
00:41:03,521 --> 00:41:09,641
Speaker 1: Have put our fees.

822
00:41:10,401 --> 00:41:12,601
Speaker 2: You know, we knew nothing. We were in our studio.

823
00:41:12,481 --> 00:41:15,841
Speaker 2: We just did a mix out the door. It went

824
00:41:16,281 --> 00:41:18,321
Speaker 2: carried on working. You know. It's not like we were

825
00:41:18,361 --> 00:41:21,241
Speaker 2: pushing it on social media and stuff like that. You know,

826
00:41:21,281 --> 00:41:23,841
Speaker 2: if you look at our social media numbers, you know,

827
00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:27,881
Speaker 2: people go, i'd expect you'd have more followers, but Facebook

828
00:41:27,921 --> 00:41:29,961
Speaker 2: and Instagram wasn't around it.

829
00:41:30,081 --> 00:41:32,521
Speaker 3: Yeah, not really. It was just you know, that's actually

830
00:41:32,841 --> 00:41:36,201
Speaker 3: I've actually seen that and I went, wow, that's that's yeah.

831
00:41:37,281 --> 00:41:39,041
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get a few more with the great hits.

832
00:41:41,681 --> 00:41:43,441
Speaker 3: This is the thing that I asked a lot of DJs,

833
00:41:43,521 --> 00:41:46,081
Speaker 3: and when you've played, when you play live in a

834
00:41:46,121 --> 00:41:49,281
Speaker 3: club or at a festival, have you ever made a

835
00:41:49,321 --> 00:41:51,681
Speaker 3: mistake that you only know that you've made a mistake

836
00:41:51,801 --> 00:41:52,241
Speaker 3: while playing?

837
00:41:52,361 --> 00:41:55,241
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it happens. What's the

838
00:41:55,241 --> 00:41:57,561
Speaker 2: biggest mistake you've made? Then you've gone ship, but no

839
00:41:57,561 --> 00:41:59,801
Speaker 2: one else is not. I don't know if people have noticed.

840
00:42:00,481 --> 00:42:05,241
Speaker 2: Just uh is is basically I've I've turned up to

841
00:42:05,321 --> 00:42:10,521
Speaker 2: play and the c DJs haven't because I like my

842
00:42:10,961 --> 00:42:14,121
Speaker 2: well most DJs like it. It's like the left and

843
00:42:14,161 --> 00:42:16,561
Speaker 2: the right and then the mixer in the middle is

844
00:42:16,601 --> 00:42:19,521
Speaker 2: on the two middle channels. Yeah, and then so then

845
00:42:19,641 --> 00:42:22,041
Speaker 2: you've got you one on the outside goes out and

846
00:42:22,081 --> 00:42:25,841
Speaker 2: somebody had around the wrong way, so it was on

847
00:42:25,961 --> 00:42:29,801
Speaker 2: it was on one and two yeah, one two, And

848
00:42:29,841 --> 00:42:33,721
Speaker 2: I was just like and I and I and I

849
00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:36,321
Speaker 2: just and I was like, I'm ready to mix this

850
00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:39,001
Speaker 2: one and press the queue and just to stop the record,

851
00:42:43,001 --> 00:42:45,801
Speaker 2: and I just went start again.

852
00:42:49,001 --> 00:42:50,281
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes.

853
00:42:50,521 --> 00:42:53,801
Speaker 2: But I've also I mean when I was when I

854
00:42:53,841 --> 00:42:56,241
Speaker 2: was doing vinyl, I've taken the needle off the wrong record.

855
00:42:56,721 --> 00:43:01,201
Speaker 2: People did notice then scratched it scratched. No, no, never

856
00:43:01,201 --> 00:43:05,281
Speaker 2: scratched when you've been doing with the viols. No, no, no. Wow.

857
00:43:06,441 --> 00:43:09,161
Speaker 1: What's what's your what's your biggest regret you reckon in life?

858
00:43:09,761 --> 00:43:11,521
Speaker 1: In life, I've got I've got lots.

859
00:43:16,561 --> 00:43:23,241
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know, Yeah, I see you, my well,

860
00:43:23,241 --> 00:43:26,921
Speaker 2: it's not a regret. It's just it's just things you

861
00:43:27,241 --> 00:43:29,721
Speaker 2: were goose of my career I missed I missed out on. Yeah,

862
00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:35,561
Speaker 2: main mainly the the my son growing up basically missed

863
00:43:35,561 --> 00:43:38,281
Speaker 2: out a lot. I was, you know, it was at

864
00:43:38,281 --> 00:43:42,361
Speaker 2: a time, you know he was when all this happened.

865
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Speaker 1: He was like eleven twelve.

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00:43:44,961 --> 00:43:48,801
Speaker 2: So I was often not there for birthdays and bloody

867
00:43:49,601 --> 00:43:52,521
Speaker 2: you know, well often not there at all, to be honest. Yeah,

868
00:43:52,521 --> 00:43:54,801
Speaker 2: so that's probably yeah, because it just took me away

869
00:43:54,841 --> 00:43:56,721
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, make Hay while the

870
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Speaker 2: sun shines. I bear him a head in my work

871
00:43:59,601 --> 00:44:01,201
Speaker 2: and I still and I still it's.

872
00:44:01,121 --> 00:44:04,761
Speaker 3: Very hard for dj to like normally, like when you

873
00:44:04,761 --> 00:44:06,801
Speaker 3: start the djer, you're single, you know, you might have

874
00:44:06,801 --> 00:44:08,561
Speaker 3: a girlfriend, but then when it becomes family life, it

875
00:44:08,641 --> 00:44:10,881
Speaker 3: becomes very hard for a lot of DJs.

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00:44:11,281 --> 00:44:14,041
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I lost you know, my my

877
00:44:14,121 --> 00:44:17,441
Speaker 2: wife lost, my first first wife over the family I was.

878
00:44:17,641 --> 00:44:20,761
Speaker 1: I was never there. She had a different life.

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00:44:21,721 --> 00:44:24,081
Speaker 2: Half the time I'd come home and there's loads of

880
00:44:24,081 --> 00:44:33,121
Speaker 2: strange people sitting around the dining I used to have

881
00:44:33,121 --> 00:44:36,721
Speaker 2: a bit of a party bright Yeah. Yeah, everyone needs

882
00:44:36,721 --> 00:44:38,961
Speaker 2: to go back there. Wow, Yeah, even when I want

883
00:44:39,001 --> 00:44:42,761
Speaker 2: there knocking on the door.

884
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Speaker 1: Hey is that your house the other week? What you

885
00:44:49,121 --> 00:44:56,321
Speaker 1: were away? Really describe yourself in one word lovable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good that's a that's a good answer.

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00:45:01,921 --> 00:45:02,921
Speaker 1: That one. I like that one.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, I've I've really enjoyed you coming

889
00:45:06,881 --> 00:45:09,121
Speaker 3: on because this is a big thing for me because,

890
00:45:09,281 --> 00:45:12,561
Speaker 3: as I said, I've grown up on your music and

891
00:45:12,801 --> 00:45:15,961
Speaker 3: to have you on is massive because at the age

892
00:45:15,961 --> 00:45:19,481
Speaker 3: of you know, like for me seventeen eighteen, even getting

893
00:45:19,481 --> 00:45:22,201
Speaker 3: older that this these songs were everything to me, you

894
00:45:22,281 --> 00:45:24,961
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Thank you and yeah to have

895
00:45:25,041 --> 00:45:27,121
Speaker 3: you on my brother, bro, I can't I can't wait

896
00:45:27,161 --> 00:45:30,201
Speaker 3: to put this on on my podcast because as I said,

897
00:45:30,201 --> 00:45:33,641
Speaker 3: to have you in the studio is an honor and

898
00:45:34,001 --> 00:45:35,001
Speaker 3: I'll thank you for coming in.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no problemly, I've really I've really enjoyed it, mate,

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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00:45:37,521 --> 00:45:41,321
Speaker 2: I was always I was a bit always It's not

902
00:45:41,521 --> 00:45:44,441
Speaker 2: normally when I'm nervous. When I when i'm DJing, I

903
00:45:44,481 --> 00:45:48,921
Speaker 2: have a double double shot of tequila and chase it

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00:45:48,961 --> 00:45:52,161
Speaker 2: down with a double with a double express. That gets

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00:45:52,161 --> 00:45:54,841
Speaker 2: that gets me over my nerve. But yeah, I didn't

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00:45:54,841 --> 00:45:55,441
Speaker 2: do that today.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you anyway for coming in me no problem.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man,