1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Well today we are joined by in my lifetime, the 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: greatest tryscurer I've ever seen. When it was a witness, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: I think it was something like one hundred and forty 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: nine games, one hundred and sixty one tries something like that. 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: Then did the same. But Wigan incredibly scored ten tries 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: in a game in a Challenge Cup semi final, not 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: against mugs, against Leeds no less, and come out to Australia. 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Had a big impact to Saint George and niece. Aren't 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: a fire the legend? How are you going mate? 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: I'm going good. I'm in Vegas. 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got sucked into the vortex last night. 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: There were four blokes from Lancashire who once wrote a 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: song called hard Day's Night. Now I know what they meant. 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: I think that was with the work down the pets, 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: wasn't it? Yeah? 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: Is it a fire or off ya? 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: I get that? 18 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: Do you get that? 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: I get that? 20 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 4: Lot Y's probably throughout my career because in England they 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 4: called me a fire because of chariots and in Australia. 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: I'm Offia, Offia and originally I was off here when I. 23 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Was convicts. 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 2: When I was born. 25 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 4: But yeah, yeahs fires my stage and Mardy. 26 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: Firstly, if we get in a way, mate, I want 27 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: to congratulate you on your two young blokes. Tyler who's 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: playing in Bath in rugby union big people who don't 29 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: have a like Bath Big rugby Union club. And Phoenix 30 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: Someng with Tottenham Hotspur. Incredible. 31 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: Huh Yeah. 32 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 4: A lot of a lot of hard work, lot of graft, 33 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: a lot of belief, just transferring a lot of what 34 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 4: I had for myself. 35 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: You know, to my kids. 36 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 4: Not always do they want to listen, but thankfully they 37 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 4: listened enough and so you know it's over to them now. 38 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: I've done my bit. 39 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: Mardy. It's funny we're on the lift on the way up, right, 40 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: And my youngest bloke, Cooper, who's his second favorite son, 41 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: he actually said me on the way up, he said, 42 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: listen when you introduced Marty, make sure that I said, mate, 43 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: I've been doing this ship for fucking thirty years. 44 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: Right. 45 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes it needs to be told, sometimes story told. 46 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: How old are the young guys. 47 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: My youngest is fifteen and my eldest is eighteen. 48 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: He's fifteen. He got signed to Tottenham Hospital. 49 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 4: Yeah he's got two year deal there. But yeah, both 50 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 4: my sons are bigger than me. Now I wear their 51 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: handy dons. 52 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: The bloke over there, Jack my son number one, he's 53 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: six foot three. I met his dad recently. So Marty, 54 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: like you, you were in a reby union player, then 55 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: went to witness. Yeah, one of the first games you 56 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: played went to eighty. 57 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: Nine eighty seven eighty seventy seven. 58 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: That was the shift. 59 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: It was too difficult. 60 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: I didn't score for two games, which was a bit tough, 61 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 4: but then went on to score fifteen games straight. So yeah, 62 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: it was my coach Doug Lawton after he signed me. 63 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 4: I think after the two games and not scoring, he 64 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: said to me, Martin, I can't buy a triscol winger 65 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 4: that doesn't score a try. So I thought, no pressure. 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 4: But yeah, soon figured it out. But yeah, you know, 67 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 4: I took to it very much like a ductor water. 68 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 4: I just because I was a big sevens player playing 69 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 4: rugby union, played in the Hong Kong sevens, played up 70 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 4: against quite a few all blacks, the likes Zinzan Brook 71 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 4: throwing a body curve, Mark Broke cowd and and the 72 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 4: likes in Hong Kong sevens, and I saw rugby league. 73 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 4: I just had this vision that said, it's like playing sevens, 74 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 4: but there's thirteen players on the pitch and you don't 75 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 4: have to rock them more. And that was basically my 76 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 4: mindset and just getting on the end of stuff. Used 77 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 4: to watch arm people like Everie Hanley and Sean Edwards 78 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: play and I just think I've got it. Anyone can 79 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 4: go up the middle and inside support, you know, like 80 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: what Terry Lambers, you actually got to be fit. But 81 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 4: I said not everyone can do what I did, and 82 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: that's you know, picked the ball up in your own. 83 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: And goal and score on the well, that's like you're 84 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: a finisher. But I was talking to someone last night 85 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: and I remember playing against you. We played at Wembley 86 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: in a World Cup final and seem you would get 87 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: in the center field. I said, it was a nightmare 88 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: because you're like unorthodox and running around you and you 89 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: and Jason Robinson. 90 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: I just remember, I think a couple of years ago, 91 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: was on Facebook and timmy brush and was giving me 92 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: some sticks. I was saying to him like, if they 93 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 4: had the video referees back then then days we would 94 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 4: have been six y up because. 95 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: I was. 96 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: Still are still people can say let it go. You 97 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: scored five hundred one tries, they're still the ones that 98 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: get away. 99 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: But how do you go going from union tole Did 100 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: you find it hard initially? 101 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: No, not really. 102 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 4: You just like in life, you just got to figure 103 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: stuff out. And if you're looking for the solutions, you 104 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: you will find them if you've got you know, if 105 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 4: you I was a try scorer in rugby union and 106 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: I just had that desire. You know, if you if 107 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 4: you have a desire, you just you figure it out. 108 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: You know, you've got the raw materials. And yeah, I 109 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 4: was just doing just putting it all together, really doing stuff. 110 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: You know. 111 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: I think, as I say, like Terry Ann was doing. 112 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 4: It was probably the first sport player, and I think 113 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: ellery and Sean Edwards sort of saw what he was doing, 114 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: and then I saw what they were doing, and I 115 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 4: just had that desired to score lots of tries. 116 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: I thought. 117 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: I thought to myself, if I stayed on my wing, 118 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 4: that I'm only going to score a percentage of the 119 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 4: tries scored on the left hand side. And I said, 120 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 4: but if you want to score a lot of tries, 121 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: then you know, if I can be in the middle, 122 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 4: if I can be on the on the right hand 123 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 4: side and figure out the game, understand how people like 124 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 4: to pass, you know, and figure out I can get 125 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 4: over the line a lot. So you know, I see 126 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 4: a lot of wingers doing it now. Like you know, 127 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 4: Chris Ashton was somebody who took it from league. That's 128 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 4: that style of play from the league to union, and 129 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 4: he did quite well. But you know, in the eighties 130 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 4: there was there was no wingers really doing that. I 131 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: don't care what side of the world was, you know, 132 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 4: I kind of. 133 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: Did your coaches ever, like try to pull you up 134 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: back and then you may have some coaches try to 135 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: stay on your wing. Yeah, try to pull you up 136 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: a fair bit. 137 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 4: Absolutely, But you know, I remember my first coach was 138 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 4: in parts. So you tell me I just run straight, 139 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: run straight, and I'd stop running aross the field. I'm thinking, well, no, 140 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: if I can run across the score a try. That's 141 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: why when I say coaches, now you know you've played 142 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: to a certain level and then they kin'd of they 143 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 4: coach stuff out of kids, you know what I mean. 144 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 4: And I was thinking to myself, you know, imagine, like 145 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 4: Danny Cipriani, a coach who's only played up to a 146 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: certain level. You know, you don't know when you're coaching kid. 147 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 4: You don't know who you're coaching. You could be coaching 148 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 4: the next you know, Andrew John's but you know, you 149 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 4: don't know what's inside that kid's head. So why would 150 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: you you know, put him in a box and say 151 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 4: don't do that? 152 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: And do that? 153 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Man, I watched the documentary last year was sent to 154 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: me on your huge that's transfer from Witness to Wigan 155 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: and give it to some context. This was in four 156 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand pounds. 157 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 4: Laurence livedsay he was a visionary. I remember when you know, 158 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 4: witnessed it. Obviously I topped the try scoring chart four 159 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 4: years on the road and they I knew that they 160 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: weren't going to let let me go without a fight. 161 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 4: But so I had to hold my ground just because 162 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: back in those days, I literally I was at the 163 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 4: you know, the the beginning of kind of contracts and 164 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 4: stuff like that, because in the eighties in England, once 165 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: you signed for a professional club, you signed your amateur 166 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: status away and that was it. 167 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: You were owned by the club. 168 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 4: But then the Bosmans came in and then you started 169 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: having two and three year contracts. I literally had a 170 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 4: three year contract and this original contract side by side 171 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: so when my three year contract was up, I said 172 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 4: to Witness, I want to go, and they were like, man, 173 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 4: you've been the top choice Cup. 174 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: Before they nearly got relegated. 175 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 4: Obviously they signed a few other players, but then you know, 176 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: went back to back championships and so much so you 177 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: want to let me go. 178 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: You're right about Marris, what what a loss he is 179 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: of the game. So yeah, people don't man, Morris Lindacy. 180 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: He one of the great characters here, born and bread 181 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: and Wigan just so passionate about the game. When when 182 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: I went to Wigan, it was funny. He's you will 183 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: to his office and it was like a gaganto and 184 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: tribute to himself. There was like it was like it 185 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: was it was like you're sitting there like the king 186 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: in his palace and you gar and say hello. Mis 187 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: still all right. 188 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: I'd see a lot of Chris Vadlinsky, current CEO. You 189 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 4: know he learned from Marris is having that vision. It's 190 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: but having that vision and then trying to sort it out. 191 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: Don't be limited by the fact that you haven't got 192 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: all the answers now. 193 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: And when I heard. 194 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: That, you know, Witness put me on the transfer list 195 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 4: for seven hundred and fifty thousand. I thought, so you 196 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: do want to pay me as much as Jonathan Davis, 197 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 4: but now you're trying to sell me for seven hundred 198 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: and fifty. 199 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: It was mind boggling. 200 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: Because I think even today and this is twenty twenty five, 201 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 4: you tried to spend that money. 202 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: On the like Wigan. Now that that side you blokes 203 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: played in a Wigan, we're incredible. I mean you won, 204 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: You beat the Broncos in Brisbane, you won the sevens 205 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: and that was I mean it's like yourself and Ellery. 206 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: I sent the people of the time like like you 207 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: guys were rock stars. He must have it must have 208 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: been great fun back in the day. 209 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was knocking about abelly. 210 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: I didn't really know Ellery until I came out to 211 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 4: tour with Great Britain in eighty eight, because you know, 212 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 4: when Aria was one of these people, if you weren't 213 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: in his camp, he didn't even look in your direction. 214 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 2: He was a big souper star and I was literally nobody. 215 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: Was there a big age difference then? 216 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was not big. It was that three four 217 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: years or something like that. So he was like, you know, 218 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 4: he was the man. And then I got to room 219 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 4: with him when I was out here in eighty eight 220 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: and obviously we won that third Test in Sydney and 221 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 4: no one gave us a cat and Hill's chance and 222 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 4: then we really bonded that that more quite tired and 223 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 4: he took me under his wing, and yeah, I really 224 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 4: did look up to him, and it was like, you know, 225 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: getting into nightclubs for free, and you know. 226 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: Must have been amazing. 227 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: Basically was you know, I learned a lot of him 228 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: as well. 229 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 4: He taught me about star power and the value of 230 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 4: yourself because as I said, I signed an initial contact 231 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: with contract with Witness and you know, come out of 232 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 4: nowhere and won The Man of Steel was top try scorer. 233 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 4: We won the league and then went out to Australia 234 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 4: and I said, and I signed this contract. Well I 235 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: got forty five grand in the first year and I 236 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 4: was on five grand a year for nine years. And 237 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 4: I thought to. 238 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: Elie, I can't do that. He goes, We're just going 239 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: to ask for more money, and I went, what. 240 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: You can do that, mate, They nearly got relegated before you, 241 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 4: before you came there. 242 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: Of course you could do that. So I went back 243 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: and a meeting with Doug Lawton, I went, have some 244 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: more money, went, yes, I. 245 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 4: Went, I couldn't believe it, but yeah, so yeah, he 246 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 4: taught me a lot. He taught me a lot, taught 247 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: me about support player, taught me about lifestyle. 248 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: I went. 249 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 4: I went to his house and wow, he had a 250 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 4: steam room in his house and God used to drive 251 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: his car and you live the rock star lifestyle. 252 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: When he came out to Balmont Tigers, like out here, 253 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: we're in Las Vegas. He didn't play in Las Vegas, 254 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: of course, been a Las Vegas Raiders. How do you 255 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: stay focused? Anyway? Nonetheless, he came out to with Bomin. 256 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. Like when he arrived though, mid table 257 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: and they went this amazing wen't and the boys said 258 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: all the time, like you know what did Dellery do 259 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: in his spare time? Run four hundred meter sprints? I 260 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: just trained incredibly. 261 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 4: That's another thing you're talking about, how to get the 262 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 4: best at yourself and train with athletes and you know, 263 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 4: looking after your body. 264 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a conspert professional because he had a vision. 265 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: You and Ellery like you just said, you're not a 266 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: big drinker before was a big drinker? 267 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: No, he was not. I think it'd have a cocktail 268 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: once a year or something like that. But he was not. 269 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: How did you when you come out to Australia and 270 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 3: you see the different cultures. Obviously a lot of the 271 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: Australian rugby league players are massive drinkers. Did any of 272 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: that rub off on you and Ellery or you guys stuck? 273 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: Not really? Not really with me out here for a 274 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 2: short term. 275 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 4: It's not like you know, Sammy Burgess and the James 276 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 4: Graham and the boys come out with being the whole 277 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 4: season was you know, I think I played like twelve 278 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 4: games in a stretch, had three stints out here. But yeah, 279 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 4: after seeing Ellery play and I just used to love 280 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 4: you know, obviously you could come out and earn a 281 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: few quid, but the reason why. 282 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to come out because after watching. 283 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: Ellery play and you know Graham News the commentator, Oh mate, 284 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 4: my dream was just to come out to Australia and 285 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 4: playing the game where he was commentator. Because some of 286 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 4: the stuff he used to say, it was just like 287 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 4: it was when Ellery was playing. It was that's what 288 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 4: we still love over there, just the razmatas and you 289 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: know the commentators. 290 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was awesome. 291 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: And when I think when I came out in ninety 292 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: one to play with Saint Jordan who played East at 293 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 4: the Football Stadium. Even to this day, if I'm having 294 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 4: a bad day, I'll go to YouTube and I'll put that. 295 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: Video on and when he calls me a freak. Was 296 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: in the back of the all the way from witness. 297 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: The SCORESMT when your first try, Yeah, you're you come 298 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: out to wee first first touched the ball. Well, he's 299 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: he's come out here all the way from wigans tries. 300 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: Let's seef he's got what the takes out here and 301 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: bangs scored the try the ball? How'd like? Yeah, Wigan incredibly, 302 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: it's such a great town, working class town. How were 303 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: you treated by the scene at Central Park? 304 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: Even now? 305 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 4: God, you know I got up to you know, I 306 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: left Wigan in ninety six and we're in twenty twenty five. 307 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: And I think last year I was just up, you know, 308 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: in my role. 309 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: As an ambassad I've been ambassador for the Wigan Warriors 310 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 4: for the last two years now. 311 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: And I was just randomly up that game. 312 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 4: And then I just went back to the hotel and 313 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: I was going back to London the next day and 314 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 4: Gary coning from he said wedding just around the corner. 315 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: Someone said, you're in town. I said, he said, come up. 316 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 4: I said, come up. 317 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: Someone else's wedding. He does, course you can, Okay. I'd 318 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: had a couple and so I just got a cab 319 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: went up to this wedding. Thought I was the great. 320 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: The way they were well could be crazy is amazing. 321 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: These two boys when they were young taggers, they were 322 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: over there. 323 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: Women. 324 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: We had a year there when they came home and 325 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: they were like they had the thick Wigan accent, like Daddy, 326 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: it's going on, mate, what's going on? Heads? Your joyous 327 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: in Australia Like uh, like the fans in Australia you 328 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: were great. But your Impactus and George. 329 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, me and Bricky Wolf for that was that was 330 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,479 Speaker 2: That was year. You know. It was phenomenal. 331 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 4: I picked up because I was paying a lot of 332 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: rugby from like eighty five to till I think ninety five, 333 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: I didn't have any time off. I was just like 334 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 4: either on tour with Great Britain or playing in the 335 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 4: in the NRL. And they just caught up with me 336 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 4: towards the end. Because I had a brilliant start with George. 337 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: I think it's called the phenomenal amount of tries in 338 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 4: the first eight games. And I think it was a 339 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: harder game. I didn't scoring and then just picked up 340 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 4: a bit of a groin injury and then you know, 341 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 4: I mean it was a bit tough going after that, 342 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 4: and I think we just missed out. 343 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 344 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Like Smith, he's never he's never coached to premiership and 345 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: he is a little bit maligned in Australia. How did 346 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: you find him as a coach. 347 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: It's kind of funny because he used to be. 348 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 4: A co h a color commentator in the in the 349 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 4: in the English game when he was a hole and 350 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 4: he used to slag me off all the time. Where 351 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 4: do you what I found out he wanted to sign me. 352 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: I just thought, really, I thought it was a g up, 353 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 4: as I said in Australia. But yeah, yeah, yeah, I 354 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 4: loved it. You know, he didn't you know, you didn't 355 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: put any too many parameters, and he just wanted me 356 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 4: to go out and enjoy myself and score tries and 357 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 4: played with Ricky Warford as well. 358 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: Got a confession for you. So you played at Newcastle 359 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: one day, you and Ricky and you were just like 360 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: Scow and tries for fun. So I was I was 361 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: a young kid there like coming through the grades. So 362 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: the coach Al Mahn went to my brother Andrew and 363 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: I because well ground from at the time, I didn't 364 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: even know how to start a mower anyway, and they 365 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: just said, hose down, make the ten corridors on the sidelines, 366 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: just a mad hoop, just slow them down. 367 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah you you you he loved cheating. Yeah, it's only Leoder. 368 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 4: Ryan comes over out of the podcast like twenty years 369 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 4: later and say that he cheated in that race because 370 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 4: everyone used to think that, you know, the I just 371 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 4: you know, through the race and whatever they will pay 372 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 4: me like two and a half grand win, lose or draws. 373 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: So it was a Friday night came and they got 374 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: chariots and Leo Leo nor I was the fastest player 375 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: in Australia. Now they went bang and Lee heard the 376 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: bang as I heard the beef a bang, and he 377 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: was off a bit of face. 378 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: He knew because he practiced with the guy starting the race. 379 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 4: So he says in this podcast, yeah, but you practiced 380 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 4: the right So they were like doing their timing because 381 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 4: you can see if you watch it on YouTube that 382 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 4: he's he's so they've obviously practiced the start and he 383 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 4: got the. 384 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: Jumping me and I couldn't. 385 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: Couldn't, So what was it was? 386 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: It was it like a Super League versus NRL. 387 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: No, it was just that I was playing for Great Britain. 388 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 4: He was played for Paramatta and it was just before 389 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 4: you know, a game Paramatt versus Great Britain and yeah 390 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 4: we just rocked up. 391 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 3: And then you did a race and then played yeah. 392 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah both. 393 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was totally different. So like Kangaroo Tours. Yeah, 394 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: it's like this is like lost the Kangaroo Tours and 395 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: Great Britain Tours. So it was like they came every 396 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: four years and we do vice verse. But what you 397 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: do on a Kangaroo tour you played all the sides. 398 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: So it was midweek games, so you play. 399 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: The club you actually played on the club side. 400 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 401 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: We also go out and play like you know, different 402 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 4: sizes out into Woomba and whatever, you. 403 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, country side, Yeah, stop a pap New Guinea 404 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: on the way the. 405 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: New Zealand on the way on the way back. Yeah, 406 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: it was like a twelve week tours, a long who. 407 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 3: Who was the toughest opponent of a lot of those 408 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 3: clubses back then when you come out and played which site. 409 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, all the all the sides were pretty tough. Yeah, 410 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 4: it was pretty tough size. Yeah, I think we lost 411 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 4: that there paramount. I think obviously playing against the older 412 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 4: but I scored two tries. Always like to reminded of that. 413 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just the most important things. 414 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: People about the race obsessed with speed even to this 415 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: day now, you know, like wherever I'm going, the question 416 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 4: I would asked most is like, you know, what was 417 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 4: your hundred times? 418 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, mate, who cares one hundred times? 419 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 4: Is this about big wingers? About scoring tries? But with 420 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 4: the wingers are so obsessed with how fast you can run? 421 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: Mate? I mean we're zigging and zagon here. But Wembley 422 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: Stadium for you, some of the tries you scored there, 423 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: that that must for you a really special ground. Yeah, 424 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: the old Wembley. 425 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, very much so. 426 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 4: Because I had a decision to make at the end 427 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 4: of my season in ninety one with Sir George Weather. 428 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 4: Was I going to stay and you know, or will 429 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 4: stay in Australia or was I going to go back 430 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 4: to England? And I was at this vision I wanted 431 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 4: to play in the Challenge Cup final. I wanted to 432 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 4: play at Wigan. That was I just felt that was 433 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 4: my destiny to do that. And I always thought to myself, 434 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: I'm going to end up living in England. I probably 435 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 4: wouldn't end up living in Australia. So I thought, what's 436 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 4: the point of creating a legacy and then going back 437 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 4: to England. 438 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: You know you have to be either like James. 439 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 4: Or Sam and you know, yeah, stay stay in Australia 440 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 4: after you finished playing. 441 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: So when I came back to England. 442 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 4: I was just just hell bent on getting to Wigan. 443 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 4: I thought, you know, if I get to Wigan, even 444 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: though it's a lot of pressure on because obviously there 445 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 4: one four arm Wembley Challenge Cup Finals back to back 446 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 4: and then they sold ellery for a quartervere million and 447 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 4: bought me for four hundred and fifty zerusand and everyone's like, 448 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 4: no pressure. 449 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: If you want to know what pressure is, that is pressure. 450 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: But just did you. 451 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: Also have a do you have a statue at the 452 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: front of Wembley as well? 453 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 454 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 4: Now, but the story is obviously I get to when 455 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 4: obviously I won the Lance Todd in ninety two, but 456 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 4: really didn't do anything that great, I felt. 457 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: So Lenstop's made of the match. 458 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety three. 459 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: Got knocked out by a pal of mine who played 460 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 4: for Witness, my ex team guy called Richie Ares. Come 461 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 4: ninety four. I wake up on the morning of the 462 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: game and like, it's different in Australia. You've got press 463 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 4: coming out of you know, every orifice. But in England 464 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 4: to get press is a big deal to be in 465 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 4: a national newspaper. But back in ninety four, I woke 466 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 4: up and in the top, you know, red top newspaper, 467 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 4: the Daily Mirror, it was an article on me which 468 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 4: a guy called Alex Murphy wrote saying I'm finished. 469 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: I'm the best of a bad bunch. And I keep 470 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: that paper. 471 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 4: It's pinned to my Instagram top feed pace to remind 472 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: you and to remind myself every day and I get 473 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 4: my sons to read it that it's not about what 474 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 4: people say about you, so what you say about yourself. 475 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 4: And so I just thought to myself on that day, Wow, 476 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 4: this is when rug league was on on you know, 477 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 4: once a year, it's only once a year. It was 478 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 4: on the restaurant TV, national TV. The whole of the 479 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 4: country is watching, so I'm thinking, this is a moment. 480 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 4: There's a story about me saying I'm rubbish in a newspaper. 481 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 4: If I can go out and do something today, I'm 482 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 4: going to be remembered forever. And it was I didn't 483 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 4: realize it was going to be the makings of a statue, 484 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 4: but I went out scored that try. You know, it's 485 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 4: even they're doing there's a documentary about Wigan, you know, 486 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 4: the great season that we had last year, and you know, 487 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 4: I know that clip is going to be even featured 488 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: in that. So you know, it's helped keep my my 489 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 4: relevance and you know, yeah, and it's helped, I think 490 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: helped to inspire, you know, future generations in this Wigan team, 491 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 4: what we're doing now and out here in Vegas. 492 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: And not like Wembley Stadium, the old Wembley, like I 493 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: grew up as a kid watching Challenge Cup if I 494 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: Kept finals and Challenge Cup finals and remember walking out 495 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: under Wembley and it was just it was incredible. The 496 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: old Wembley almost reverberated. And remember walking out and the 497 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: whole crowd was seeing in the land of hope and 498 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: glory and you had that it was just it was surreal. 499 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: It was an amazing place absolutely. 500 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 4: I mean I played for Great Britain I think in 501 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety when we beat Australia in the first Ashes, 502 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 4: and remember that part. It was the early days of like, 503 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 4: you know, parrotechnics going off and I don't think they 504 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 4: had it quite right because it felt like it was 505 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 4: in the Battle of the Song in the First World. 506 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 2: I couldn't see a thing for the first ten minutes. 507 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: It was just smoke and coughing and everything like that. 508 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 2: But I remember when it went off, everyone was like shot. 509 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 3: It was like jeezuz, Yeah, Well there was a there's 510 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 3: a story at I just played at Melbourne Storm and 511 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: there was in a semi final one day. I don't 512 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: know if you know, they played Joey Lei Lua he 513 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 3: was playing for the canber Raiders and a similar thing. 514 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: They hadn't nailed the exactly the fireworks. One of the 515 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: fireworks came out sideways and when in Joey Layla was 516 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: eye right on kickoff and he just he just walked 517 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 3: off the field and they couldn't play. Yeah, so they're 518 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: still learning about it. They still haven't quite nailed the 519 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 3: pregame entertainment. 520 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 4: I think we've got it a bit better. And even 521 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 4: though when Pemrif came over to play us in the 522 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 4: World Cup times last year, I think they were still 523 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 4: quite smoky after. 524 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: That, so still a bit to work on. 525 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 4: But yeah, going back to a Wembley, it was just 526 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 4: amazing playing that day. And ironically Alex Murphy, who wrote 527 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 4: the story about me and I still have never mentioned 528 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 4: that story to him and but we are going to 529 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 4: be together forever because he's on that statue with me. 530 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: It's good that they don't hold a grudge. 531 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: But never forget. 532 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. 533 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: So you're Jamaican ancestry, no Nigerian. Nigerian is aha, I'm sorry. 534 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: I apologize now, Cooper, you played when I coached that side, 535 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: there was a young Nigerian guy who played. He came 536 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: out and nice just to tell him all the time 537 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: to make the best rugby league players, editing some of 538 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: the greatest players Nigerian ancestry. So what like to come out? 539 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: Was it your parents that went to England? 540 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, my parents actually met outside a tube station in 541 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 4: London and both all my family are just, you know, 542 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 4: very cerebral. My dad was em barrister, my mum's school teacher. 543 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 4: Everyone in my family has degrees apart from me, but 544 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 4: I always say I'm the only one with an MBA. 545 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, anyone scored that many tries exactly. 546 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 4: But you know, so you've got to believe in yourself 547 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 4: and do what you want to do in this world. 548 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 4: It's very hard if you've got you know, obviously parents 549 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: who are successful stuff. 550 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: I know it must be hard for your boys as well. 551 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: They want to go down. 552 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 4: Really, I. 553 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: Said, Look, I was straight. I said, no pressure, but 554 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: you're never going to be able to do it. 555 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 4: But you know, it's hard for a kid then to 556 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 4: say this is what I want to do, you know, 557 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 4: whether it's what your parents do or something different. That's why, 558 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 4: you know, my youngest Phoenix, he he scored this only 559 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 4: playing in a you know, a little kids competition, but 560 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 4: it was that twicken them and he's scored a fantastic try. 561 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 4: And when I saw him scored that try, I thought himself, mate, 562 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: this guy is going to play here one day, you know. 563 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 4: And then a couple of days later he told me Dad, 564 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 4: I want to play football and I want to play rugby, 565 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 4: and there was a tear in my eye. If I'm 566 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 4: going to be honest. But at the end of dare, 567 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 4: I thought, you know, I've had my life, I've had 568 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 4: my career, I've done you know, it's about him and 569 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 4: supporting him. 570 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: It's funny. I'll watched if I capt Final once and 571 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: I remember, like where I'm from, Marty up in the 572 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: Hunnah Valley, like Cole Fields, it's just rugby league, first, 573 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: second and third and I went. I came home one 574 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: day and I said, Dad, I want to play for 575 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: me Chester United one day and he goes, okay, so 576 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: we want to play soccer? Yeah, and he goes, We've 577 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: got to make a decision. So totally up to you. 578 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: It's your life. You'd be going to make a decision now, 579 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: rugby league or soccer. And I said, Dad, I want 580 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: to play soccer. He said, like funk, You're gonna play 581 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: regby league. 582 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: Tell me about you just spoken about your boys. You 583 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: seem like a quite confident blight, like you didn't really 584 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: you had a lot of pressure idea with transfer fees 585 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 3: and things like that. Seems like I didn't really bother 586 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: you as a player. How do you go with your 587 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 3: boys now? Like with your youngest just signing with Tottenham. 588 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: Do you struggle as a dad like watching them play. 589 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 4: I used to struggle a lot more than I do 590 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 4: now because of you know, there's the mindfulness of you know, 591 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 4: my dad wrote a book could understand in your emotions. 592 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 4: And you know, every time you feel something, that's the 593 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: opportunity to learn. You know that feel that stress and 594 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 4: you don't want to try and spread negativity. You know, 595 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 4: if something You know the reason why I've been successful 596 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 4: in life because I've taken negativity and I've turned it 597 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 4: into positivity. 598 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: You know, I was a black guy. 599 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: Playing rugby league in the eighties up north in hole 600 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 4: and there was twenty thousand people calling me or what's whatever, 601 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 4: And I just turned that into fuel. And when I 602 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 4: say you ain't going to score today, your black weather, 603 00:26:59,080 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 4: I thought. 604 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: It's like yeah, yeah, and it's going to be a. 605 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 4: Good And then I do that and I just stand 606 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 4: in front of him and smile. And so in life, 607 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 4: you take negativity and turn into positivity. So when I 608 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 4: watch my kids play and I feel that urge, I 609 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 4: even want to shout at them or I want to 610 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 4: say something whatever, I just breathe and be calm and 611 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 4: just like you know, and just like think, you know, 612 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 4: whatever I do now is not going to have a 613 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: positive impact on them. 614 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: All I'm doing is spreading my negativity. 615 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 4: So I know, just just you know, just let it go, 616 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 4: just try and some figure out some way to turn 617 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 4: it into a positivity. Just either a positive note, as 618 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 4: I say now on my phone, I'll just put a 619 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 4: note about WhatsApp. I'll say, remember to do this, blah 620 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 4: blah blah or do that, and then just it's gone 621 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 4: and it's out of you. And you've got to realize that, 622 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 4: you know. You know, like my eldest now he lives 623 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 4: down in Bath. You know, we still talk on the phone, 624 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 4: but I'm not by the side of the pitch critique 625 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 4: him anymore. I just speak to him, you know, and 626 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 4: he tells me how his session's gone, you know whatever. 627 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 4: I can watch his stuff and huddle, you know whatever, 628 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 4: and watch his games. 629 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 2: And then you're there from afar. 630 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 4: You're like a mentor, given advice and at the end 631 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 4: of the day, it's their journey they've got. You know, 632 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 4: I didn't have a dad who played rugby league and 633 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 4: I was just a skinny kid from Hackney. I mean, 634 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 4: how did I end up doing that? You just figure 635 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 4: it out. So sometimes in life I give them the 636 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 4: I found. If I give them the answers I did 637 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 4: my eldest, then that's I'm taken away from him. Even 638 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 4: if he does become great, I'm taking away from him. 639 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 4: He's got a to be truly great. You've got to 640 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 4: figure it out for yourself. 641 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: Post football chariots, uh dancing, Dancing with the Stars strictly 642 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: come dancing as they do a different Australia. In Australia, 643 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: we're gonnactually to spell it out. So yeah, yeah, when 644 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: I retired, I've got a good friend who of mine 645 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: from school. 646 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 2: A guy called Chris Obie, who is an actor, and 647 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: I lent. 648 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 4: Him some money as you do as you do as 649 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 4: as friends when he was a bit struct struggling actors. 650 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: He never paid me back. 651 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: If it's funny, then. 652 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: Who want to lose friends? 653 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 4: So he gave me act he gave me your acting 654 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 4: lessons when I retired, So I wanted to be an actor, 655 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: as I played myself in a couple of soaps. But 656 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 4: then the whole reality thing, reality TV thing came about, 657 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 4: so I got into that and then that's what helped 658 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 4: sort of grow my sort of arm brand sort of 659 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: really in England, a lot of people I've retired twenty 660 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 4: plus years but just know me from reality TV shows. 661 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: But then they'd always showed my Wigan footage and it 662 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 4: was Michael maguire's and I have told you got me 663 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 4: involved back in with the Wigan club mag do a 664 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 4: speech which he read out to the team in twenty ten. 665 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 4: Thankfully they run that Grand Final so they put the 666 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 4: speech up in Wigan, so it's kind of helped my. 667 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: Brand sort of grow my awareness. 668 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 4: And you know, I was involved in a project for 669 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 4: Wigans one of their anniversaries a few years ago where 670 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 4: I did the narrated the poem Wigan Peerless, which kind 671 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: of ingratiated me back in. 672 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: To the club. 673 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 4: Obviously I'd scored a few tries and people remembered me 674 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: and you get you know, race horses and greyhounds. 675 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: I think it's a greyhound in. 676 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 4: Australia called Charts a Fire, which is one a few races. 677 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: Got put down on foot. Hopefully it's not an open. 678 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: As well. 679 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: Dad had a greyhound named after Hans John. 680 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, because at the time made small hands, small foot, 681 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: big brain. Anyway, this bloke Brian Fletcher and and you'll 682 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: meet the guys in their own way, and they're at 683 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: the Webworth Park dogs. Well, the winners go. So they're 684 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: wearing tracksuits and they this dog can bust. This bloke goes, hey, boys, 685 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: I've got this gray and argon. She's going to be 686 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: a beauty. Good name for it, and they went tiny 687 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: hens John's. I looked at the form gud and said 688 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: tiny hens John's named after Matthew Johns, who has small hands. 689 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: And I thought, well, it'll never win the fucking thing. 690 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: One eight straight. 691 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: Couldn't get it? 692 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: Was it just could? 693 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 694 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: Okay, now Martin, this is I'm gonna there. 695 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: We got here. What are you going to do? 696 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: You loan survivor. I'm going to give you names of players, 697 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: the best players you shared a field with. Gonna pick 698 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: one or the other. Good way to make enemies. Let's 699 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: start with an easy one, Andy Gregory, Sean Edwards. Oh 700 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty good at holding grudge. 701 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: That's like saying mother or father. 702 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: I'd have to say because I played them longer, and 703 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 4: because he helped me through a very tricky patch when 704 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 4: I discated my shoulders play against Pemriff and then all 705 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 4: the Wigan fans were saying, get rid of me, and 706 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 4: Sean got me through that, and yeah, I have to say, 707 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 4: Sean gis. 708 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: That's about some people that don't know Sean Edwards. How 709 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: do I put this? He's not the man of looser, 710 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: he's not the best looking bloke, but when with headspie, 711 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: he's got He was the most like gorgeous looking women. 712 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 2: I was there the day you met. 713 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because we were we were out at some 714 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 4: night in Bradford and m people are playing and then 715 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 4: he was talking to him. 716 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: We always like, he's got if you were going to 717 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: put some money down after that, at least hundred minimum. 718 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 4: You know. 719 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I said. You've got to believe 720 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: in yourself. When everyone is around you is doubting, you 721 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: do not doubt yourself. 722 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: And who was wearing a bra and I thought takes 723 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: a lot of gas to wear. 724 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 4: He has got some questionable fast and said Sean, but 725 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 4: I love him. And we didn't get on the first time. 726 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 4: We kind of came together because we were roomies in 727 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 4: New Zealand and I remember that every day we'll get 728 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 4: back to the room. 729 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 2: And I used to love to watch TV. 730 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 4: And stuff like that, and he'd like, he'd hat, just 731 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 4: like off, we're doing this. I was like, oh god, 732 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 4: sure I need to be having arguments with himself in 733 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 4: a mirror and wrapping up his hands before a game, 734 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 4: like in a box. 735 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, what is this guy on? 736 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 4: I remember once after this training session, I went back 737 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 4: to the room and I thought, I'm there first, I'm 738 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 4: gonna watch TV all afternoon before our next session the 739 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 4: next session, and I went to put the TV on. 740 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 4: It wasn't working for what I thought. He'd only gone 741 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 4: and pulled the plug out. The course the called up 742 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 4: the plug. I thought, this guy he's up, he's he's 743 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 4: he's he's playing like chess and I'm playing checkers with 744 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 4: this guy. 745 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: But I just love I love him. 746 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: Did he say, okay, Sean Edwards or one of the 747 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: great ones she played on You played with Terrio O'Connor. 748 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: Of course, I've played with Terror connor. 749 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, him and Terrio Connor is a unusual blake. 750 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 751 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 4: I can tell a funny story about try O'Connor. I'm 752 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 4: playing for Salford and he's playing for Wigan. And I remember, 753 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 4: because I didn't really get much, you know, I had 754 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 4: a bit of stick from when I was in the 755 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 4: n r L but then Australian Corp. 756 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: But I didn't really get that much stick from players. 757 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 4: I got more stick from fans but opposition players and 758 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 4: you know, I used to punch him in the head 759 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 4: and stuff like that and a bit of violence. 760 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 2: But I was used to that, but never used to 761 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 2: get much verbals. 762 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 4: But I remember I was playing for Salford, this must 763 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 4: be about two thousand, two thousand and one against Wigan, 764 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 4: and then Terry common starts giving me verbals and I'm 765 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 4: just like, it's. 766 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: Just fat slop. I was like, mate, are you taking. 767 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 4: The I thought that's that motivated me. Then I remember 768 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 4: I think I scored a try, I went outside rasmy 769 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 4: won and after game I was thinking, I was like, 770 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 4: you giving me I played for Wigan when they were good, mate, Yes, 771 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 4: if you're going to get your coach to sack. And 772 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 4: I think the coach got the sack the next day. 773 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 4: So I always were still be friends Terry, but I 774 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 4: always giving give it about that. 775 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: I just saw Frank coach by Frank and what a 776 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: beautiful guy. But we played you place your Selford say 777 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: he got the. 778 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: Game. 779 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: I hit that I missed three filgus, so technically I 780 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: got Frank. I should have apologized. Okay short Andrew, Oh. 781 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 4: God Andrew now and he was my nemesis mate, not 782 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 4: through him, we would have won the test series definitely 783 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 4: because that first I think it was the first test 784 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 4: in Sydney. 785 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, may, I don't know just that much. 786 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: Just touched the sideline, Yeah, okay Short Edwards Malmoaninger. 787 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 4: Well mate, he fell on my knee and was it 788 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 4: Old Trafford. That's why that's another one ashes close series. 789 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: I think when Nicky. 790 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 4: Stewart went through Carl Gibson, I'm on the treatment table 791 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 4: because mal mon Inger fell on my knee and so yeah, 792 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 4: I'm not choosing mouth that when. 793 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 3: Male school the game when he tried, yeah, yeah, that 794 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 3: is the best game of rugby, believable. 795 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 2: If I was on the pitch, definitely would. 796 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 4: Because look at the break, Look at the break that 797 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 4: there's no way that he's getting all the way down 798 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 4: there about me catching him. It's like, but Carl Gibson 799 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 4: was in my position. I was like, I'm on the 800 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 4: treatment table, Old Trafford watching that thinking that's the fish 801 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 4: that got away. 802 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to cut through it all. Was 803 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: Hillary Henley the greatest player ever played a lot. 804 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,479 Speaker 2: So I'd have to say Hanley was the greatest player. 805 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's not because of you know, there's you know, 806 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 4: Andy Foul had far more skills and technical buillet, There's 807 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 4: so many. But it was something about Eery just that's 808 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 4: this in a desire and drive, just one of these 809 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 4: people where you was in the change with him and 810 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 4: you just like we've got a chance to him just 811 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 4: because he's just not because of his skills whatever, even 812 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 4: when you see him playing for Baumin and it's just 813 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 4: like whatever he did, he just managed to do it. 814 00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 2: He did. 815 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 4: You know, I think he's called I remember him scored 816 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 4: try at Wembley where he shouldn't have scored it. But 817 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 4: what I learnt he just was edging away. He taught 818 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 4: because I was what I left e was wait for 819 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 4: the lion to come to you. Because a lot of players, 820 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 4: and I see it today, when they make a break, 821 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 4: they go help whatever to try and score and then 822 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,959 Speaker 4: they blow up and then they get caught. Where Area 823 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 4: was one of these people. When he made he let 824 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 4: the line come to him. He didn't go for the line. 825 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 4: He was just like just run fast enough because whoever's 826 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 4: chasing you, they've got to run fast. 827 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 2: You to catch you. And he had so many tricks 828 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. 829 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: I loved him so much. On named my dog, bought 830 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: a Colliague so I played him one day right a Newcastle. 831 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: Malcolm really coached us. And Malcolm was like, Made, he's 832 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: gonna be careful of Lly, right, and he was older them. 833 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: He said he can move sideways. Believe he's so deceptive. 834 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: He's quick sideways and I. 835 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 2: But like a big Jason Robinson with a bit more power, 836 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 2: and I was. 837 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah sure and made. He just embarrassed me. 838 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: It's the worst game I ever played. What was worse 839 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: or it was worse? So someone actually told him that 840 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: I named him his dog AFTERATM and I went out, 841 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: so yeah, he goes, here's the dog going. Jesus, how embarrassing. 842 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 2: I kicked it. 843 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time. You're a champion. You're such a great 844 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: bloke and you're gonna be on the show tonight. 845 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 2: Yeah looking forward? 846 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 1: What do you know about the show? 847 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 2: Just what I've seen clips over? 848 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 3: Do you have it here in England? 849 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: We don't have it, but we you know, I've just pick. 850 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 2: Picked up bits off YouTube. Just love it when you 851 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 2: give it to. 852 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I. 853 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 4: Do feel sorry for me, especially when Johnathan first, and 854 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 4: I mean that's just me. When you're such a great player, 855 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 4: when you're an immortal, you should feel sorry for people 856 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 4: or not. 857 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, always always be kind of the less fortunate.