WEBVTT - Mushroom cook Erin Patterson on why ‘sarcastic’ husband was wrong

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday, June eleven, twenty twenty five. Tasmanians are off

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<v Speaker 1>to the voting booths just over a year after the

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<v Speaker 1>last election. That's after Premier Jeremy Rockliffe lost the confidence

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<v Speaker 1>of Parliament to other members of the governing Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 1>were willing to step up as premier to avoid an election,

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<v Speaker 1>but the party room decided to send voters back to

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<v Speaker 1>the ballot box. That story's live now at the Australian

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<v Speaker 1>dot com dot You accused mushroom murderer Aaron Patterson says

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<v Speaker 1>her husband Simon was sarcastic and wrong about his recollections

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<v Speaker 1>of the days after the fatal lunch which killed his

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<v Speaker 1>parents and aunt. Today we take you inside the Victorian

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court to hear voice actors re enact Patterson's cross examination.

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutor Nanette Rogers sc Did Aaron Patterson have bolimia? Did

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<v Speaker 1>she have diarrhea? The mushroom trial has taken a distinctly

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<v Speaker 1>forensic tone, as the cross examination of Aaron Patterson sees

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<v Speaker 1>Crown Prosecutor Nanette Rodgers sc grilling Patterson, a fifty year

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<v Speaker 1>old mother of two, about exactly how she managed to

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<v Speaker 1>survive a lunch that resulted in the deaths of three

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<v Speaker 1>elderly relatives and another spending weeks in hospital. Patterson has

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<v Speaker 1>pleaded not guilty to three counts of murder and one

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<v Speaker 1>of attempted murder over the lunch in July twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>In her examination in chief, led by her senior barrister,

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<v Speaker 1>Colin Mandy sc Aaron, Patterson last week told the jury

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<v Speaker 1>that after consuming beef Wellington, she vomited. She said at

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<v Speaker 1>the time this was because she had bolimia. Here's what

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson told the court last Wednesday. We've used voice actors

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<v Speaker 1>throughout this episode to bring you the words spoken in court.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson said that after her lunch guests left, she got

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<v Speaker 1>stuck into the orange cake Gail Patterson, one of the guests,

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<v Speaker 1>had brought.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a piece of cake, and then another piece

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<v Speaker 2>of cake, and then another. How many pieces of cake

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<v Speaker 2>did you have?

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<v Speaker 1>All of it? How much had been left?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably a good two thirds.

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<v Speaker 3>Of it was left. And what happened after you ate

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<v Speaker 3>the cake?

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<v Speaker 2>I felt sick, I felt overfull, So I went to

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<v Speaker 2>the toilets and brought it back up again.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how that went. On Tuesday, ten June, in cross

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<v Speaker 1>examination by Nanette Rogers.

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<v Speaker 3>Your evidence to this jury is that sometime that afternoon,

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<v Speaker 3>on the twenty ninth of July, that you cause yourself

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<v Speaker 3>to vomit. Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it your evidence that the vomit was partly constituted

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<v Speaker 3>by the beef Wellington? Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what was in the vomit at all? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's how could I it's vomit unless you can see

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<v Speaker 2>a bean or a piece of corn.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you didn't have corn at the lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>That was an example.

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<v Speaker 3>I suggest that you did not tell a single medical

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<v Speaker 3>person that you had vomited after the lunch on the

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<v Speaker 3>afternoon of twenty nine July.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I suggest that that is something you would have told

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<v Speaker 3>them if it were true. Correct or incorrect?

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<v Speaker 2>Incorrect?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you say it's incorrect because of your embarrassment?

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<v Speaker 2>I say it's incorrect because it's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Roger's probed Patterson's accounts around the time of the lunch

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<v Speaker 1>that she had eaten about half of her portion, as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to in her evidence in chief when she said

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<v Speaker 1>she'd eaten a small amount, maybe a quarter or a third.

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<v Speaker 3>I also suggest that for the first time, you've told

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<v Speaker 3>the jury that you vomited after the lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, That is the first time I told the jury.

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<v Speaker 3>I suggest you're trying to minimize how much you ate.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>I suggest that what you've told the jury about only

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<v Speaker 3>eating a quarter or a third and about vomiting are

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<v Speaker 3>all lies. No, you're trying to make it sound like

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<v Speaker 3>the lunch guests say more than you did. Correct or incorrect. No,

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<v Speaker 3>And you're lying about throwing up or vomiting to try

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<v Speaker 3>and account for why you didn't get seriously ill. Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that was true, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson attended the Lean Gather Hospital on the Monday after

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<v Speaker 1>the lunch, telling them she had gastro and needed some fluids.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't as seriously ill as her lunch guests, and

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<v Speaker 1>when the medical staff told her she'd need to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Melbourne for treatment, Patterson left the hospital saying she

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<v Speaker 1>had to pack her daughter's ballet bag and feed her animals.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to suggest to you that you were stressed

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<v Speaker 3>when you're at the hospit all on this first presentation

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<v Speaker 3>correct or incorrect.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably was very stressed, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I suggest that the reason you were stressed was

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<v Speaker 3>because doctors suspected death cap mushroom poisoning for the lunch

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<v Speaker 3>guests correct or incorrect.

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<v Speaker 2>That definitely was a cause of anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I suggest that you were shocked that the doctors were

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<v Speaker 3>onto death cap mushrooms so quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't put it like that.

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<v Speaker 3>How would you put it?

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<v Speaker 2>I was anxious at the idea that we might have

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<v Speaker 2>eaten those things.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm suggesting that you were shocked that the doctors were

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<v Speaker 3>on to death cap mushrooms so quickly correct or incorrect, incorrect,

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<v Speaker 3>and you were worried that you're going to get caught

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<v Speaker 3>correct or incorrect, incorrect, And further that you weren't prepared

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<v Speaker 3>to answer questions about why death cap mushrooms are in

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<v Speaker 3>the meal correct or incorrect.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone ever tried to ask me that question,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

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<v Speaker 3>When you left the hospital, you did not make any

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<v Speaker 3>attempt to collect your children correct or incorrect.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>They had no efforts to have them collected after you

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<v Speaker 3>left the hospital shortly after eight o five am. Correct

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<v Speaker 3>or incorrect?

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<v Speaker 2>I did eventually, That's why they went to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson said she'd be back shortly, but the jury has

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<v Speaker 1>heard she returned more than nineteen minutes later. Rogers wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to know why she would leave, even though doctors had

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<v Speaker 1>told her they suspected the other patients had suffered death

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<v Speaker 1>cap mushroom poisoning.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I suggest that you knew that your life was

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<v Speaker 3>not threatened at this point. Agree or disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say I knew. I didn't think it was.

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<v Speaker 3>I suggest that your behavior at leaving Lee and Gatha

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<v Speaker 3>Hospital a few minutes after you'd presented there was because

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<v Speaker 3>you knew that you had not consumed death cap mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>Agree or disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think any of us had, But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>why I was leaving.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I suggest that you also left when confronted by

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that medical staff had identified death cap mushrooms

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<v Speaker 3>as a reason for the illnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not why I left.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, Yes, you panicked and absconded because you knew

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<v Speaker 3>that your use of death cat mushrooms in the meal

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<v Speaker 3>had been uncovered. Agree or disagree?

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<v Speaker 2>Disagree?

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson recalled Dr Chris Webster telling her her two children

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be taken to a medical facility, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was reluctant to worry the children.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he make it clear that your children's lives were

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<v Speaker 3>at risk?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, they can be scared and alive or dead.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what he said.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he make it clear that your children's lives were

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<v Speaker 3>at risk?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he made it clear that he thought they

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<v Speaker 2>might be at risk.

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<v Speaker 3>In the face of that on your evidence, you were

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<v Speaker 3>reluctant to tell the children.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to make sense of what was going

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<v Speaker 2>on and what doctor Webster was saying to me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought they can be scared and alive or dead.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was a pretty bizarre thing to say.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't just what he said, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>yelling it at me as what I thought. I've since

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<v Speaker 2>discovered that's his inside voice, but at the time I

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<v Speaker 2>thought he was yelling at me. So yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>all making me quite anxious.

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<v Speaker 3>You were reluctant I suggest to have your children medically assessed.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct or incorrect?

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<v Speaker 2>Incorrect? I wanted to understand what the concerns were and

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<v Speaker 2>why he thought they might be at risk. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to understand it first.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, Patterson says her sarcastic husband is wrong. On Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Patterson took issue with some of the evidence given

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<v Speaker 1>by her husband, Simon Patterson. Nanette Rogers asked if she

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<v Speaker 1>recalled Simon Patterson's evidence that his wife told him that

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<v Speaker 1>when she went home to feed the animals, she'd laid

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<v Speaker 1>down on the floor and fallen as sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you deny saying that you fell asleep for about

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<v Speaker 3>forty five minutes? To Simon Patterson, yeah, I do. Is

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<v Speaker 3>your evidence that you lay down for a bit when

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<v Speaker 3>you got home for a while? What time did you

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<v Speaker 3>lie down?

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<v Speaker 2>No idea?

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<v Speaker 3>How long did you lie down for?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's untrue, isn't it. No, it's untrue that you lay down. No,

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<v Speaker 3>surely that's the last thing you would do in these circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Might be the last thing you'd do. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>something I did.

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<v Speaker 3>After you'd been told by medical staff that you had

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<v Speaker 3>potentially ingested a life threatening poison. Isn't the last thing

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<v Speaker 3>that you would do is to lie down in those circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't tell me it was life threatening.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson agreed she was away from the hospital for an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and forty minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>I suggest that in this period of time, you were

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<v Speaker 3>trying to work out how to manage the situation that

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<v Speaker 3>you now found yourself in correct or incorrect, incorrect. You

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<v Speaker 3>had not expected doctors to detect the death cap mushroom

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<v Speaker 3>poisoning so quickly correct or incorrect incorrect. You thought it

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<v Speaker 3>would be treated, I suggest as just a case of

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<v Speaker 3>food poisoning correct or incorrect, incorrect. Once you were told

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<v Speaker 3>that the medical staff had detected death cap mushrooms or

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<v Speaker 3>suspected it, you had to think quickly correct or incorrect,

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<v Speaker 3>incorrect to try and explain why you were not sick

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<v Speaker 3>correct incorrect, to try and cover your tracks correct or incorrect, incorrect.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what you spent the one hour and forty

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<v Speaker 3>minutes doing while you're away from the hospital. Agree or disagree?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you saying I was doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Thinking about ways to cover your tracks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, you're saying I spent an hour and a

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<v Speaker 2>half thinking. Is that what you're suggesting. I'm sure I

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<v Speaker 2>did some thinking at that time, but it was not

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<v Speaker 2>about covering my tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson was asked about Simon Patterson's evidence earlier in the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that when they spoke on the phone that morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron said she was in ten to pick up the

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<v Speaker 1>children from their school on Philip Island, ninety minutes drive away,

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<v Speaker 1>to bring them to hospital. Simon Patterson told the jury,

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<v Speaker 1>but when he said he was glad Erin was feeling

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<v Speaker 1>healthy enough to make the drive to pick up the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Patterson had paused before agreeing Simon should go and

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<v Speaker 1>get them instead.

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<v Speaker 3>I suggest that you pause because you realize that if

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<v Speaker 3>you insisted on going to pick up the children, that

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<v Speaker 3>that would undermine your being unwell. No, disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know if I paused or not, so

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<v Speaker 2>I can't really agree with what you're saying. But the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing I remember out of that interaction was when

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<v Speaker 2>he said, you know, I'm glad to hear you well

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<v Speaker 2>enough to drive to the school. I remember he said

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<v Speaker 2>it in a really sarcastic tone that put me off

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<v Speaker 2>a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>So it might be that you paused. It may be

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<v Speaker 3>because of his supposed sarcasm. Is that your evidence?

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember the sarcasm. It was really off putting

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are you making this up as you go along?

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Patterson?

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<v Speaker 1>Nolsone was asked about why her blood tests when she

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<v Speaker 1>was at Monash Medical Center seemed within or close to

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<v Speaker 1>the normal range.

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<v Speaker 3>I suggest that you were not seriously unwell because you

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<v Speaker 3>did not consume even a minute amount of deathcap mushrooms

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<v Speaker 3>at the lunch. What do you say?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>If I did or I didn't, you were not suffering

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<v Speaker 3>from deathcap mushroom poisoning. Correct or incorrect.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>You deliberately tried to make it seem like you were

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<v Speaker 3>correct or incorrect incorrect. You did that because you knew

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<v Speaker 3>you had not eaten deathcap mushrooms correct or incorrect incorrect,

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<v Speaker 3>and you knew how suspicious it would look if you

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<v Speaker 3>did not seem sick like your guests correct or incorrect, incorrect.

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