WEBVTT - How Trump’s immigration crackdown is reshaping America

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can't be born to alpham On the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're seeing federal immigration agents deployed to cities

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<v Speaker 1>across the country in ways that they have not been

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<v Speaker 1>used for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>With the gun down.

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<v Speaker 3>Nikolfoy is an immigration reporter with Pro Publica. She says,

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening in America now isn't traditional border enforcement. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a new kind of highly militarized policing targeting civilians.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just ice or border patrol. You've also got

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<v Speaker 1>agents from the FBIDA. Agents who normally would be going

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<v Speaker 1>after trafficking rings or drugs at the border are now

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<v Speaker 1>coming into a number of US cities that are not

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<v Speaker 1>used to this level of immigration enforcement and conducting what

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<v Speaker 1>they say are targeted arrests, intended to deport the worst

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst immigrants.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're getting them out of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>We just started that, We're getting them out of the country.

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<v Speaker 3>The Trump administration says nearly seventy percent of the people

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<v Speaker 3>immigration and Customs enforcement have arrested our criminals, but US's

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<v Speaker 3>own data shows the overwhelming majority have no criminal conviction

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<v Speaker 3>at all, and admit a promise to deport a million people.

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<v Speaker 3>In Trump's first year back in office, ICE raids have

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<v Speaker 3>become broader and more aggressive.

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<v Speaker 1>What people are seeing instead are agents going through neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 1>and going to stores and home depots and outside churches

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<v Speaker 1>and schools, any Memorial Christian church, and we are not

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<v Speaker 1>okay with your being on our property, So resulting in

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<v Speaker 1>the American public coming in contact with immigration agents as

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<v Speaker 1>they arrest their neighbors and loved ones in ways that

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<v Speaker 1>we really haven't seen in quite a long time in

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<v Speaker 1>this country.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Daniel James, and you're listening to seven A today

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<v Speaker 3>Nicole Foyd on Trump's deportation machine, how it's reshaping everyday

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<v Speaker 3>life in America and what happens when communities try to

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<v Speaker 3>stand in the way. It's Wednesday, December civity. Nicole, Trump

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<v Speaker 3>and senor officials have repeatedly talked about deporting one million

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<v Speaker 3>people in his first year back in office. We're roughly

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<v Speaker 3>eleven months into his second term, So tell me about

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<v Speaker 3>the orders that have been given to us and what

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<v Speaker 3>we're seeing in terms of numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one of the reasons why we're seeing so

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<v Speaker 1>many more people being detained is because ICE has these

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive quotas of three thousand a day is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the quotas that has been widely reported, and when you

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<v Speaker 1>have that level of pressure, it's resulting in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more people being considered targets for deportation. Before this current administration,

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<v Speaker 1>if someone was not the target of an operation what

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<v Speaker 1>we'd call like at a collateral arrest, they are coming

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<v Speaker 1>in for a target. This is somebody who has, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an arson charge on their record, and there's someone they

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<v Speaker 1>would really like to deport out of the country, and

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<v Speaker 1>they know where they are, if their family is there

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of their family is undocumented, are in

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<v Speaker 1>various legal statuses, they would normally not arrest those people,

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<v Speaker 1>but now that's not the case. And that's also why

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<v Speaker 1>you will see agents go into a parking lot, a

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<v Speaker 1>store and detain multiple people just because they were there,

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<v Speaker 1>even if they may have only been there to target

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<v Speaker 1>one person.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things you're reporting has un COVID is

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<v Speaker 3>that it's not just undocumented people being swept up in this.

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<v Speaker 3>What you found is that US citizens are also being

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<v Speaker 3>detined by immigration idents. Can you tell us about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. US citizens have frequently in the past been detained

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<v Speaker 1>by immigration agents. This is not something that is new

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<v Speaker 1>to the Trump administration. However, there were a number of

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<v Speaker 1>warnings from experts this time that with these aggressive quotas,

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<v Speaker 1>this interest in deporting as many many people as quickly

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<v Speaker 1>as possible, that US citizens, let alone people with green cards,

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<v Speaker 1>that they were going to get caught up in this

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<v Speaker 1>immigration dragnet. And what I found in my reporting here

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<v Speaker 1>at Pro Publica is that in the first nine months

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, immigration agents detained at the very least

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventy US citizens. These were citizens who

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<v Speaker 1>were detained because immigration agents had questions about their citizenship.

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<v Speaker 1>But these were also citizens who were detained because maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they were at protests, or more often, they were accused

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<v Speaker 1>of assaulting or interfering in operations that sometimes ended with

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<v Speaker 1>them spending several days in federal detention, without their families

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<v Speaker 1>having any idea where to find them, without access to

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer, without access to a phone call, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>even medical attention. Many people are being arrested with on

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<v Speaker 1>allegations of assault or interfering that we can find very

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<v Speaker 1>little evidence that those things ever occurred, and in many

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<v Speaker 1>many cases the government came either. There's been many cases

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<v Speaker 1>dropped dismissed or people never charged despite being held for

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<v Speaker 1>several days after, you know, publicly officials have said this

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<v Speaker 1>person assaulted someone. But then also too, the agency has

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<v Speaker 1>said that from their view, if they're going into a

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<v Speaker 1>place and they're trying to detain as many people as possible,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to hold everybody in this home depot, parking lot,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, until they can ascertain their citizenship. Sometimes this

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<v Speaker 1>may be a short experience, but many citizens have found

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<v Speaker 1>that it's not a short experience and sometimes can be

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<v Speaker 1>a very violent experience.

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<v Speaker 3>So what kind of mood is that leading to on

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<v Speaker 3>the streets of some of these cities. What's the feeling

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<v Speaker 3>on the ground as people try and go about day

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<v Speaker 3>daily business.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that across the country, people in immigrant communities

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<v Speaker 1>and people who have legal status are citizens, but who

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<v Speaker 1>are Latino or Hispanic in particular, but certainly many other

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<v Speaker 1>immigrant groups are really worried that when they walk outside

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<v Speaker 1>the door and they go to school, to work, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the grocery store, that they're going to be detained. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's because they're watching it happen on their phones or

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<v Speaker 1>to happen to their loved ones, you know, everywhere I

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<v Speaker 1>think what's happening to Somali Americans right now in the

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<v Speaker 1>Twin Cities in Minnesota is one example. There's been a

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<v Speaker 1>number of you know, US citizens who have been detained,

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<v Speaker 1>who have just been going about their business. That's creating

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fear. Even though the government says, you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no nothing to be worried about if you're here legally,

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<v Speaker 1>many people have learned that's not the case. I covered

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<v Speaker 1>immigration in the first Trump administration, particularly on a local level,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have not seen this level of just pushback

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<v Speaker 1>and community resistance to these agents being in their neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 1>People have community patrols, they are delivering groceries to people

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<v Speaker 1>who are stuck in their housesn't too afraid to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's a combination of, you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>are afraid to leave their homes and go about their

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<v Speaker 1>daily business. But there's also a number of Americans who

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<v Speaker 1>have decided that now is the time to push back

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<v Speaker 1>forcefully against immigration agents that they say they do not

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<v Speaker 1>want in their neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up now. Trump's the immigration agenda has changed America forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Nicolo just wanted to step back for a moment and

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<v Speaker 3>get a sense of the skyle of undocumented immigration in America.

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<v Speaker 3>What do we may when we say someone is undocumented.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth is is that we for forty to fifty years,

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<v Speaker 1>we have had a lack of immigration reform. So that

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<v Speaker 1>means there's a number of people who either crossed the

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<v Speaker 1>border illegally or came legally and their status has since lapsed.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether they had a visa expire, or they committed a crime,

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<v Speaker 1>or they did something that would invalidate their visa. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a number of ways that people can have kind of

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<v Speaker 1>shaky legal status. During the Biden administration, there also was

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<v Speaker 1>this unprecedented level of immigrants who were coming and seeking asylum,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly from Central America, but certainly we had a number

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<v Speaker 1>of folks from Ukraine, from Russia, from other world conflicts

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<v Speaker 1>coming to the border, and we're entering the country through

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<v Speaker 1>ways that the government told them to enter. Many people

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<v Speaker 1>who are being detained right now and who are considered

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<v Speaker 1>deportable are people who followed the rules that they were

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to. Many people have pending asylum claims, Many people

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<v Speaker 1>have valid work authorization, so it's a variety of cases.

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<v Speaker 1>But the truth is too is that like falling out

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<v Speaker 1>of status, you know, overstaying a tourist visa and then

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<v Speaker 1>staying and working for thirty years. That's not a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a civil infraction, and it's not something that's normally

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<v Speaker 1>been treated as a priority for the government because undocumented

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants are in every single industry and predominant in many

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<v Speaker 1>industries that we need in order to function as a society,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's construction or agriculture or restaurants and so.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the interesting things, of course, has been the

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<v Speaker 3>response to attacks and immigrants. There's been pushed back from unions,

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<v Speaker 3>local organizes as well as from city and state. Latest

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<v Speaker 3>recently a zorin Mandani relates to VDA couching people in

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<v Speaker 3>the head to stand up to us.

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<v Speaker 2>First, ice cannot enter into private spaces like your home, school,

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<v Speaker 2>or private area of your workplace without a judicial warrant

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<v Speaker 2>signed by a judge.

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<v Speaker 1>That looks like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So, what are sort of the most significant ways you're

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<v Speaker 3>saying papal and governments try to stand between us and

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<v Speaker 3>the communities they're targeting.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the very first and most obvious thing that

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<v Speaker 1>is happening is that everyone is filming everything in the

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<v Speaker 1>second that immigration agents show up anywhere. People are filming

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<v Speaker 1>everything and following agents. They'll have these like neighborhood watch

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<v Speaker 1>groups where people are assigned to follow in alert and

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<v Speaker 1>blow horns or just yell in the street that ICE

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<v Speaker 1>is here and so that if there's anyone who's concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about that, they may be able to leave. And also

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<v Speaker 1>though many people who are physically blocking cars from leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in New York there was videos circulating of

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<v Speaker 1>there was a parking garage where ICE agents were staging

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<v Speaker 1>for a raid in a huge shopping district and activists

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<v Speaker 1>showed up and physically blocked for a long period of

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<v Speaker 1>time those vehicles from exiting. Now, people here, the ICE

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<v Speaker 1>agents are trying to get out and come with me. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>brig they're not letting them leave. There's a variety of

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<v Speaker 1>acts that people have created. There is a very dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>response to trying to identify ICE agents because the vast

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<v Speaker 1>majority of them are conducting these arrests, not even in

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<v Speaker 1>identifying uniforms. So there's a huge interest in identifying these

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<v Speaker 1>agents and all of these things are they that even

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<v Speaker 1>though recording and filming ICE agents is absolutely not against

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<v Speaker 1>the law in the United States. It is a First

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment right that we take very seriously. We've seen many

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<v Speaker 1>times that immigration agents and the government have treated this

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<v Speaker 1>as an assault or tried to claim that this is

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<v Speaker 1>interfering or obstructing their operations.

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<v Speaker 2>There is an entire system of feeder organizations that provide money, resources, weapons,

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<v Speaker 2>and when they're attacking ice officers, they're attacking federal buildings

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<v Speaker 2>where they're isolating public officials for harassment, dosing, intimidation, and

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately attempted assassination. It is all carefully planned, executed, and

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<v Speaker 2>thought through. It is terrorism on our soil.

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<v Speaker 1>There is increasingly interest from the government in labeling people

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<v Speaker 1>who especially like the longtime nonprofit groups and advocacy groups

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<v Speaker 1>who work with immigrants, as domestic threats. People have been

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<v Speaker 1>charged in that. You know, there was an activist in

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<v Speaker 1>la who was charged because he was distributing masks for

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<v Speaker 1>people to wear because of tear gas, and that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not something that you would normally consider would be

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<v Speaker 1>considered a domestic terror threat, but they have been very

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<v Speaker 1>vocal that they believe that that is a threat to

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<v Speaker 1>government operations. I personally reported on a number of citizens

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<v Speaker 1>who were accused of assaulting officers, punching officers, blocking agents

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<v Speaker 1>with their car, and video evidence does not show the

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<v Speaker 1>government's narrative, but that is a continuing priority that we

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<v Speaker 1>will likely see more of from the government.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you say is the ultimate gall Nikole? How

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<v Speaker 3>do you say, Disoulry shaping America as we've known it.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that we are going to see some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty serious societal shifts. The number of US citizen children

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<v Speaker 1>who are leaving the country right now, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we have seen for one hundred years, back when there

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge push in the nineteen thirties and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forties in the US where millions of citizens, mostly Mexican Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>were deported from the country. You know, we're also losing

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of immigrants who have been here for thirty forty years,

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<v Speaker 1>have raised US citizen children and grandchildren, and were contributing

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<v Speaker 1>tax payers and valued members of the community. I also think, too,

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<v Speaker 1>what has concerned a number of experts who I've spoken

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<v Speaker 1>to is also this I think comfort level with seeing

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<v Speaker 1>federal agents in neighborhoods acting like police when they're not

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<v Speaker 1>police in ways that we've again not really seen. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a number of concerns from constitutional rights experts

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<v Speaker 1>that America is moving towards this place where like you

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<v Speaker 1>have to carry your passport on you, we are now

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<v Speaker 1>seeing certain behaviors of the government be normalized very quickly

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<v Speaker 1>in front of our eyes. Certainly, there are people pushing

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<v Speaker 1>back against this. Certainly there are also judges restricting some

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<v Speaker 1>of these actions. But a lot is happening, and not

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's always paying attention. I couldn't tell you what's going

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<v Speaker 1>to come next, but a number of experts who I've

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed are very concerned about where we go from here.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Niiclway very plays that you're paying attention for us,

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<v Speaker 3>and thank you so much for coming on seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I am thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Also in the news, the two government responsible for the

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<v Speaker 3>Bondeou Beach massacre traveled to the Philippines to receive military

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<v Speaker 3>style training before carrying out their attack. According to the IBA.

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<v Speaker 3>City security sources have told the broadcast that twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>year old Navid Akrim had links to Australia's pro Islamic

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<v Speaker 3>state network, was known to Azio as far back as

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen. Investigations are now underway looking at potential ties

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<v Speaker 3>to international extremist networks. Our security agencies discovered the pair

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<v Speaker 3>of gunmen have been to Manila for training in November.

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<v Speaker 3>The Philippines is a known training ground for militants and

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<v Speaker 3>the Prime Minister Anthony Alberezi has visited Ahmad, a lamed

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<v Speaker 3>in hospital that thank him for his bravery and disarming

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<v Speaker 3>one of the gunmen in a deadly Bondai attack. The

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<v Speaker 3>forty three year old fruit shop owner, who was originally

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<v Speaker 3>from Syria, suffered gunshot wounds as he intervened to save

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<v Speaker 3>countless lives on Sunday night. He's now recovering in hospital

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<v Speaker 3>in Sydney. Mister Albanzi called mister Hmad an Australian hero.

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<v Speaker 3>More than two million dollars has been donated to a

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<v Speaker 3>crowdfunding campaign for mister Ahmed. I'm Daniel James. This is

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<v Speaker 3>seven AM. Thanks so much for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I all on one