Speaker 1: I'm good a team. I hope you bloody terrific. Before
Speaker 1: we get underway with today's episode with Perry, I just
Speaker 1: want to say that we cover a broad range of
Speaker 1: subject matter, not surprisingly. Also we talk about lots about
Speaker 1: food and doses and volume and supplements and micros and
Speaker 1: macros and vitamins and minerals and hormones. I want to
Speaker 1: just emphasize before we start, none of this is a
Speaker 1: prescription or a personal recommendation. Just two dudes having a
Speaker 1: chat about some interesting stuff. So if you are interested
Speaker 1: in learning more about any of the stuff that we
Speaker 1: talk about relevant for you and your needs, your biology,
Speaker 1: your physiology, your diet, your supplement regime, have a chat
Speaker 1: with somebody who is in the space relevant a professional,
Speaker 1: a dietitian, a doctor, an exercise physiologist, somebody who's relevant
Speaker 1: for that area of interest for you. But let's get underway.
Speaker 1: I'll get our you, bloody champions, Welcome to another installment
Speaker 1: you project. Craig Anthony Harper is my name? Fuck? And
Speaker 1: how what a great day. It's Thursday, It's the tenth
Speaker 1: of the tenth, It's twelve minutes past ten, and the
Speaker 1: thriving metropolis of bayside Melbourne, where I'm currently at, and
Speaker 1: up where the sun is at, and well it seems
Speaker 1: like the fucking the torrential rain is at. It is
Speaker 1: only nine to twelve pm in the am. In the
Speaker 1: nine to twelve in the am, put your teeth in arps.
Speaker 1: And Perry Venakis, a longtime friend and work colleague, is
Speaker 1: joining us again on the show.
Speaker 2: Get I buddy, the mister Harperdopolis. It's so good to
Speaker 2: see you again. And in forty eight minutes I'll be
Speaker 2: just as excited as you because it'll be tenth of
Speaker 2: the tenth at ten o'clock. Then I should be bouncing
Speaker 2: around outside him what should be sunshine. But unfortunately it's
Speaker 2: pouring down to rechial rain today with hell storms et cetera.
Speaker 2: You know, over one hundred milimeters of rain dropped through
Speaker 2: last night. So yeah, fun and games today.
Speaker 1: One hundred millimeters of one hundred millimeters of rain you
Speaker 1: and I were talking about before we started. We pressed
Speaker 1: to go. But there's four inches and you said that
Speaker 1: that fell in around an hour, right, that's correct.
Speaker 2: And it smashed down some shopping centers up in an
Speaker 2: area called Morrowfield where wooll these people were shopping and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they got a deluge of water
Speaker 2: on their head as it fell through the roof, and
Speaker 2: Marshal Lastsenter copped it as well, so they got drenched.
Speaker 2: But the hailstorm, it's incredible. It's just done so much
Speaker 2: damage and destroyed properties, etc. It was coming in so fierce,
Speaker 2: it was coming at a ninety degree angle in some areas.
Speaker 2: So I know one of the guys I know had
Speaker 2: popped these garage. He had his car in there and
Speaker 2: by the time he closed the garage, his garage was
Speaker 2: full of halstorm inside got down the back of the
Speaker 2: actual garage itself.
Speaker 1: So Mother Nature's fucked off at the moment. There's a
Speaker 1: lot going on around the world. So a couple of
Speaker 1: my friends, so Nicole Livingston, who you would have met
Speaker 1: Nicole back in the day at Harper's. She was, of
Speaker 1: course an Olympic swimmer, multiple world champion, Olympic medalist, three
Speaker 1: time Olympian, boss of the afl W and now boss
Speaker 1: of the Victorian Institute of Sports, so clearly an underachiever.
Speaker 1: She's she's over in Florida at the moment with her son,
Speaker 1: who's an elite baseballer and Also, you would have met
Speaker 1: back in the day when I was training the Melbourne
Speaker 1: Vixen's and the Melbourne Phoenix. You may not remember exactly
Speaker 1: who she is, but you would have met her. Renee.
Speaker 1: She was Renee Ingles, she's now she was Renee Helen
Speaker 1: and now Rene Ingles. She's her husband, Joe plays in
Speaker 1: the NBA. She's also in Florida and I've been doing
Speaker 1: a bit of coaching with her and so like there,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not even bat and down on
Speaker 1: the hatches. It's like, get the fuck out of dodge.
Speaker 1: Like I saw this lady. She was the I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe the mayor of Orlando, or and she's like, if
Speaker 1: you are in an area with whatever warnings and you stay,
Speaker 1: you will die. Like that's what she said. I'm like,
Speaker 1: fucking hew.
Speaker 2: I saw that. And there was some guy that was
Speaker 2: in a boat and he's covered himself up in this
Speaker 2: little boat gown. Oh, I'll be fine, I'll just old
Speaker 2: weather it out. And the interviewer is leaning over into
Speaker 2: the boat gown. Are you sure maybe you'd want to
Speaker 2: sort of leave with us.
Speaker 1: I know, I know this has got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with food, but this is what's happening at them. We're
Speaker 1: going to get to food everyone. But also and this one,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is like weird and macabre. This other
Speaker 1: lady who was some kind of expert commentating on everything,
Speaker 1: and she's like, if you don't evacuate and you decide
Speaker 1: to stay, which essentially she was saying, you're a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: She didn't say that, but she might as well have.
Speaker 1: She goes, make sure that you write your n on
Speaker 1: your arm with a text, so when they find the
Speaker 1: body they know who you are. I'm like, oh my god, imagine, Yeah, Diane,
Speaker 1: where are our black Texters?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to put one on your forehead just
Speaker 2: in case your heat comes off your body. It'll be
Speaker 2: a bit easier. I might write someone else's name just
Speaker 2: to fuck with everyone. That might Actually that would be
Speaker 2: a great way to go missing. You know, you've got
Speaker 2: all these bills to pay. I'm like, I'm John Smith.
Speaker 2: There you go, and just putting you an extraor nahbor
Speaker 2: and you take off.
Speaker 1: Or what you oh? Yeah, but even more macab No,
Speaker 1: I can't say it. No, I can't say it. I
Speaker 1: can't where we might I might actually get banned for
Speaker 1: the first time. I don't know who bans podcasts. I'm
Speaker 1: sure someone does. So how's life in the Sunshine State?
Speaker 1: How long you been in the Sunshine State? As I
Speaker 1: said earlier, everyone Perry and I used to work together.
Speaker 1: He lived down in Melbourne. Then he has built his
Speaker 1: own amazing brand and business. But when did you move
Speaker 1: to the Sunshine State.
Speaker 2: I moved here about three years ago, now it's been
Speaker 2: I went through the COVID dramas as we know, and
Speaker 2: got locked in the detention center for two weeks before
Speaker 2: they let me loose in Queensland. Now three years and
Speaker 2: sort of settled into a completely different lifestyle, which I
Speaker 2: absolutely love because I mean, I forget the rain that
Speaker 2: we just had today, but two days ago it was
Speaker 2: thirty three degrees blue skies. I live only a few
Speaker 2: minutes from the beach. So the healthy living lifestyle, it
Speaker 2: is incredible. It is just amazing. You can just get
Speaker 2: out there and just take in a great weather and
Speaker 2: appreciate where you are and you feel amazing. There's no pollution,
Speaker 2: no praising. This it's a little bit a little bit
Speaker 2: slower than Melbourne, let's put it that way. You know,
Speaker 2: two minutes from the beach. I'm five minutes from the
Speaker 2: hint Lands. You can explore anything you want. And as
Speaker 2: I've mentioned a while ago two Craig, I bought a
Speaker 2: great four will drive which you've seen, and you know,
Speaker 2: I get on the beach, I drive for forty fifty
Speaker 2: minutes along the sand where it's completely remote, end up
Speaker 2: at a place called Double Island Point. There's this big
Speaker 2: lake lagoon there that comes off from the ocean, and
Speaker 2: sit there all day, just cook up some great food,
Speaker 2: enjoy the sun, read a book and then come back recharging.
Speaker 2: You spent a whole day. They're just enjoying life and
Speaker 2: appreciating everything. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm so fucking jealous when I come up next. Can
Speaker 1: you take me to.
Speaker 2: That place you are on Craiger and guess what I'll
Speaker 2: cook you up one of the best steaks you could
Speaker 2: ever have on the portable barbecue or take up there
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: How are you allowed to just drive your road registered
Speaker 1: vehicle along the beach well forty five minutes? What are
Speaker 1: you driving? It?
Speaker 2: Say?
Speaker 1: Forty k is an hour on the sand or something.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's an interesting thing. They actually have that area
Speaker 2: allocated for four wall drive access only, And what they
Speaker 2: do is they actually put speed limits up there so
Speaker 2: you can do eighty kilometers an hour in some areas,
Speaker 2: and then because there's camping areas along the beach, they
Speaker 2: give you a forty k warning. And here's the really
Speaker 2: interesting thing. They cover that area with drones and police
Speaker 2: that are hidden with four wall drives in the bushes.
Speaker 2: You're doing forty five, they will come and get you.
Speaker 2: They'll just spend you down straight away and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh lord, this lovely drone following me and nix menting
Speaker 2: of the blue lights and pull over and instant find
Speaker 2: straight away. And it's exactly the same fine as if
Speaker 2: you're driving on a normal road. So if you've been
Speaker 2: drinking and you're driving on the beach, you're in trouble.
Speaker 1: That's so that's such an Australian thing, isn't it. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: apart from the drones, but what about dirt bikes? Because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a bike person. Would I be allowed
Speaker 1: to ride a dirt bike.
Speaker 2: Along there as long as it's registered? Yes?
Speaker 1: Right? But no, but no, there's no Hyundai Atlantra's just
Speaker 1: rocketing along there there.
Speaker 2: Is They usually end up either getting stuck in the
Speaker 2: sand or float out in the ocean.
Speaker 1: So though like so, they're not allowed. If they're just
Speaker 1: irregular at Sedan though they're not allowed along there, they.
Speaker 2: Can go on there. They're more than happy to go
Speaker 2: on there. They'll allow any vehicle on there. But if
Speaker 2: you're a fool and you've got to take a little
Speaker 2: there and you realize it's too driving, you've got standard
Speaker 2: wheels and you go out, you're done.
Speaker 1: So if you're driving the thirty year old high UNDIXL
Speaker 1: front wheel drive with skinny wheels, you're probably and high
Speaker 1: pressure in the tires, you probably fucked.
Speaker 2: Now, let's think about it. Yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: You should just hang out there all day and wait
Speaker 1: for those people and go for one hundred and twenty bucks.
Speaker 1: I'll take you back to the start.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know the tourists that like to come
Speaker 2: along there and want to experiment. If they're carking get through,
Speaker 2: I'll just hitch them up and pull them back out
Speaker 2: and gets one hundred and twenty dollars. Or I'll let
Speaker 2: you float out into the ocean. What would you like
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: Now, when you get to this the end point the
Speaker 1: lagoon that runs off. What do you mean, is it
Speaker 1: like just a big salt water pool? But what is it?
Speaker 2: It is huge, this massive, huge salt water pool area.
Speaker 2: And it's near a place called Rainbow Beach, which is
Speaker 2: a beautiful beach as well, and it's just a massive
Speaker 2: area that would be maybe you know, three four kilometers
Speaker 2: easy of beach land where everyone just parks it car.
Speaker 2: You know, it sets up there camping equipment and yeah, relaxes.
Speaker 2: I've got a real big two hundred and seventy degree
Speaker 2: annex now on the vehicle, so it covers most of
Speaker 2: the vehicle and open it up. Put the chairs out there,
Speaker 2: open up the back, pull out the fridge, get the
Speaker 2: barbecue going. Life's amazing, and you just enjoy it and
Speaker 2: just have a nice relaxing day because you can't drive
Speaker 2: back during the high tide. Once high tide comes up
Speaker 2: that beach excess, you're locked in. You're going to stay there.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to fuck up the timing, would you.
Speaker 2: Well that's why you get told please check the tithe thing.
Speaker 2: You've got to drive two hours of either side of
Speaker 2: low tide. And my first adventure there, I was waiting
Speaker 2: for a friend to guide me along to go down there,
Speaker 2: and what happened was the barge that gets you across
Speaker 2: onto the other side of the foreshore so you can
Speaker 2: get your full driving there one had broken down, so
Speaker 2: the line was really long. And then my friend rings
Speaker 2: me up and says, I've got family problems with kids,
Speaker 2: are sick. Can't make it. You have to go on
Speaker 2: your own. So by the time I've got on the beach,
Speaker 2: high tide was coming up. Did I have fun learning
Speaker 2: how to drive my fall for the first time ever
Speaker 2: on the sand with the ocean splashing up against the
Speaker 2: car where they say, if the water hits you and
Speaker 2: you think this is your car, would buy sow? Was
Speaker 2: a fun adventure?
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh god? And how's business going?
Speaker 2: Business is going well. It's been a bit slower to
Speaker 2: start off with, as with anything you I suppose, and
Speaker 2: people understanding what nutrition ninety is all about. But it's
Speaker 2: picking up every day. There's a few more clients getting
Speaker 2: on board, We're getting better results. I'm getting more and
Speaker 2: more exposure now I'm having what's been really good actually
Speaker 2: having people that I've looked up to as high profile
Speaker 2: in the industry now messaging me directly and saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I really love your content, love what you're sharing, you know,
Speaker 2: keeping a great job. And it's been a bit of
Speaker 2: an awakening for me to see that these people that
Speaker 2: you know, I followed for years and have been actually
Speaker 2: impressed with and then all of a sudden, now they're
Speaker 2: messaging me, we're impressed with your work. Actually, one of
Speaker 2: your doctor friends from America, doctor Alexander Ruth, if you
Speaker 2: remember her, yeah, I remember her peptides for the old
Speaker 2: ladies that she's always messaging me and having the chat
Speaker 2: and everything like that. She's been absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure you can't say peptides for the
Speaker 1: old ladies. You know, you're an old man and I'm
Speaker 1: an old man.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, we're very old men. But it seunds better
Speaker 2: that way. But when you assume mature ladies, old ladies
Speaker 2: that are beautiful, just like a wine that replied the
Speaker 2: pip flights to make the mill work really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, she was. She was interesting. I had her
Speaker 1: on the show a long time ago, and she's she's
Speaker 1: pretty smart. She's pretty smart. How old are you now?
Speaker 1: I just turned sixty one.
Speaker 2: I am sixty one. I turned sixty one in Jude.
Speaker 1: How about you, Craig, Yeah, same, same, just turned sixty
Speaker 1: one in a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: So you know what's really interesting is, and I'm not
Speaker 1: just saying this because it's it's you and me, but
Speaker 1: like I look at you, and we worked together, we
Speaker 1: worked together for quite a long time, but we probably
Speaker 1: we haven't worked together for I don't know, fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty years, but you look a scent. I look older,
Speaker 1: I definitely look fucking older, but you you pretty much
Speaker 1: look the same. Like it's hard to be objective, you know,
Speaker 1: because my relationship with you is subjective and everything, you know,
Speaker 1: the Craig Harper bloody thing. Everything's subjective, right, But as
Speaker 1: an objective as I can be, you look about fucking
Speaker 1: three years older than you did twenty years ago, which
Speaker 1: is very annoying. I don't know, do you reckon that's
Speaker 1: your Greek heritage, your bloody amazing genetics, or your lifestyle
Speaker 1: or what is that?
Speaker 2: It's got to do with the headgel that I use.
Speaker 1: You know, you know this is an audio you know,
Speaker 1: you know this is audio only his bald It's been
Speaker 1: bored as a fucking badger for our badge is bald,
Speaker 1: though I don't think badges. I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think badgers are bald.
Speaker 2: It depends which way you flip them over.
Speaker 1: You're a fucking idiot. Now, before we jump in how often,
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about you a little bit.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your training because you're sixty one.
Speaker 1: I'm sixty one, and I think some people think I'm
Speaker 1: just a fucking unicorn. Not that I'm gifted. You've got
Speaker 1: way better genetics than me, but you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of how I think, and I always tell people or
Speaker 1: I did a thing recently on strength training, like kind
Speaker 1: of the nuts and bolts of you know, why, how when,
Speaker 1: how much and how hard with strength trains, like really yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was really just like opening the door for
Speaker 1: people anywhere between beginners and somewhat intermediate, or perhaps people
Speaker 1: who've been training for a while and want to kind
Speaker 1: of just revisit some of the fundamentals and think, am
Speaker 1: I actually training progressively? Is there overload that's adequate? Or
Speaker 1: am I in a fucking holding pattern? But one of
Speaker 1: the questions that I get asked a lot is what
Speaker 1: I do because people want to know, Yeah, but what
Speaker 1: do you eat, how do you and how much waits?
Speaker 1: How much cardio? Do you stretch? Do you fucking do
Speaker 1: you have five minutes? Do you do fasting? Do you whatever?
Speaker 1: And so I downloaded all that which I don't need
Speaker 1: to again, but I want to know. So you at
Speaker 1: sixty one in you know, not too great a detail,
Speaker 1: but within reason, like, tell us about your eating, strength stuff.
Speaker 1: I know that you have a martial arts background, you're
Speaker 1: an elite taekwondo compareditor, black belt, blah blah blah. Tell
Speaker 1: us about stretching, tell us about strength, tell us about
Speaker 1: cardio if you do any I don't know if you do,
Speaker 1: And give us just a window into your nutrition and
Speaker 1: your lifestyle. I know that's a lot, but if you
Speaker 1: could kind of give us because and the reason I
Speaker 1: say this, I'll shut up after this. The reason I
Speaker 1: say this is because we have a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are forty five plus who listen to this show,
Speaker 1: and I want to encourage people that you don't need
Speaker 1: to be old at any age, Like, irrespective of your age,
Speaker 1: you don't need to be old, right, because I think
Speaker 1: so much of being old is about thinking. And yeah,
Speaker 1: of course there's a physiological component. But all right, so
Speaker 1: I'll shut the fuck up, give us the story, the
Speaker 1: story of you.
Speaker 2: I'll sum it up quickly. Number one, you mentioned about Cardio, well,
Speaker 2: as we were at the Harper Drome and we're all
Speaker 2: become bodybuilders, and we threw Cardio out the door my perception,
Speaker 2: and that has changed a little bit now. And now
Speaker 2: actually I went out and bought a bike and I
Speaker 2: ride my road bike down to the gym. What You've
Speaker 2: got a bike?
Speaker 1: Who the fuck are you get?
Speaker 2: Perry back one. I'm the guy that used to run
Speaker 2: people off the road with their bikes and now I'm
Speaker 2: a bike rider. So you know, it's a bit of
Speaker 2: a contradiction there. But I actually ride my bike to
Speaker 2: the gym. And where I live it's hilly, so the
Speaker 2: ride there isn't too bad. You get a bit of
Speaker 2: speed going down the hill. It's after you work out
Speaker 2: trying to come back the ride up the hill, and
Speaker 2: there's one hill at the moment I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: conquer and it's two minutes from my house. I've gotten
Speaker 2: ninety percent up the way before I fall off the
Speaker 2: bike and get out of the gutter and get some
Speaker 2: pull bystander to come up and go you okay, And
Speaker 2: I'm so.
Speaker 1: You got to try. You've got to try the lower gears, mate,
Speaker 1: what there's more than one gear. That's what happens when
Speaker 1: you buy a fixed wheel bike out of the Bloody
Speaker 1: paper from nineteen to seventy four.
Speaker 2: Mayhey for seventy five dollars is a great deal. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty happy. It'd even come with a seat this time.
Speaker 2: I'm happy with it. So, yeah, I'll go to the gym.
Speaker 2: I'll hit the gym a minimum of three times a week.
Speaker 2: I try to get six times a week in and
Speaker 2: I like to work on the philosophy. I'm doing three
Speaker 2: body parts in the workout. I'll only do three sets
Speaker 2: close to fail. I've ever got a fayre for the
Speaker 2: major muscle groups, and I'll then try and retrain them
Speaker 2: four days later. But you know the worst case scenario,
Speaker 2: I'll do three training sessions. At the most, I do six,
Speaker 2: and I like to have the arrest, so I'll do
Speaker 2: three days on, one day off, days on again, and
Speaker 2: there's my seven day split. And yeah, I believe that
Speaker 2: you need to be functional. You need to have some
Speaker 2: muscle mass and strength so your body works effectively and
Speaker 2: that you know, we're looking at bone density, and we
Speaker 2: also understand now that the muscle isn't just a muscle,
Speaker 2: it's a hormone itself too that releases my kids, which
Speaker 2: is great for the body and it's functions. So to
Speaker 2: feel amazing and to feel great, do the way training
Speaker 2: I do. The cardio in between you keep my heart
Speaker 2: health up as well too, and then that's basically it.
Speaker 2: That's to give a very fick synopsis of what I
Speaker 2: do nutrition wise, being a nutritionist and a bit psycho.
Speaker 2: When it comes to food, I am very meticulous about
Speaker 2: my food. As one of my friends come over the
Speaker 2: other day and said, why are you weighing your steak?
Speaker 2: Why are you weighing your vegetable? So I'm like, when
Speaker 2: you've got a fuel tanking or car, you've got to
Speaker 2: gauge to tell you how much how much sure you
Speaker 2: got right? You know, if I disconnected that gauge and
Speaker 2: you have to drive around Australia when you know you
Speaker 2: run out of fuel, you're done. So therefore, when it
Speaker 2: comes to nutrition, I'm aarticular So to make it really quick,
Speaker 2: it's basically, I'm very much into having animal protein as
Speaker 2: my protein sawce so meat, fish, chicken, eggs, whete protein,
Speaker 2: any one of those. And then I have a large
Speaker 2: stack of vegetables because I very believe in keeping my
Speaker 2: micronutrient balance up, balancing out the animal protein with lots
Speaker 2: of fiber. And obviously the big issue that we start
Speaker 2: to see now is the diversity of microbiome in the gut.
Speaker 2: And by eating a lot of variety of foods like
Speaker 2: fruits and vegetables, et cetera, and eating the let's say,
Speaker 2: the broccli eat in the head, but also eating the
Speaker 2: stalk as well, you're creating a better microbiome effect. Therefore,
Speaker 2: we know that now one hundred percent that microbiome effects
Speaker 2: brain function, but also other bodily functions as well. So
Speaker 2: having a healthy gut, as we call it, makes a
Speaker 2: healthy body. And maybe that's the secret why I look
Speaker 2: so great and amazing and glowing every day.
Speaker 1: And humble. How did that? You know you did a
Speaker 1: humility Yeah, you were telling me you did a humility
Speaker 1: workshop on the weekend and you were the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and even though I was doing only
Speaker 2: one in the class, it went really well, you're an idiot, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So but also we have the reality that
Speaker 1: the only person in the world with your DNA as you,
Speaker 1: the only person with minus me. Right, and so let's
Speaker 1: talk to people. Let's talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: idea of While there are broad principles that that work, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to lift weights, we need to move, we
Speaker 1: need to do some cardio, some flexibility is good. Getting
Speaker 1: good sleep is important, you know, the right amount of
Speaker 1: micros and macros and energy, you know is important. What
Speaker 1: about helping people figure out how their body works individually?
Speaker 1: Like you know, we can you and I are the
Speaker 1: same age. Let's say we go and get another eight
Speaker 1: sixty one year olds and we all eat the same food,
Speaker 1: the same amount, the same type, we all do the
Speaker 1: same workout, we all have the same amount of sleep,
Speaker 1: we don't get the same outcome. So this genetic variability,
Speaker 1: this individual variability from person to person, how does the
Speaker 1: person who's listening to this start to figure out what
Speaker 1: works optimally for their unique physiology.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a really good point. And I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't realize that every body is different.
Speaker 2: That's using pinching one of your quotes, which I absolutely love,
Speaker 2: But it's true. Everybody is different. So we look at
Speaker 2: a producol of creating an assessment, and how do we
Speaker 2: do an assessment? We get a baseline, so we might
Speaker 2: someone's strength or tuddiovascular activity. We might ask them how
Speaker 2: they're feeling. You know, how much you sleep?
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 2: They get all little biomarkers to try and understand a baseline,
Speaker 2: and then we might create some change. So, for example, we
Speaker 2: might say, all right, today, we're going to get you
Speaker 2: to doing there and do a three week thing of
Speaker 2: body weight exercises and every week getting quintat with me
Speaker 2: on a Tuesday and just give me a rundown. How
Speaker 2: are you feeling? Are you sleeping better? Are you walking better?
Speaker 2: Can get ut of your car easier? Whatever little things
Speaker 2: like that. We might say that might be working for them,
Speaker 2: or they might go, hey, I've just done this session.
Speaker 2: I am completely exhausted, i can't walk, I'm really tired,
Speaker 2: I'm falling asleep everywhere, and we go all right, well
Speaker 2: this hasn't worked for you, let's try a different protocol.
Speaker 2: But the most important thing is that we have a baseline,
Speaker 2: that we have an understanding of where they are right
Speaker 2: now when they come into our environment. What's actually happening
Speaker 2: with them, and if they want to go in deeper,
Speaker 2: we can get blood tests done, so we have a
Speaker 2: very in depth blood panel that one can do to
Speaker 2: see what's happening with their body and if there's any
Speaker 2: inflammatory markets going on. They see what the cholesterol levels like,
Speaker 2: what their living functions like, what kidney functions like, and
Speaker 2: then if they want to go another deeper level, they
Speaker 2: can also then go get a dexa scam to assist
Speaker 2: their bone density, their body fat mass, and the amount
Speaker 2: of muscle they have on their body. So it becomes
Speaker 2: an individual thing to what that client wants to find
Speaker 2: out about themselves and how in depth they want to go.
Speaker 2: The biggest concern I find with people they will come
Speaker 2: to me when they're actually sick. When I've actually hit
Speaker 2: rick war. Oh mate, I've been to the doctor and
Speaker 2: he said to me, I'm pre diabetic. Or you know,
Speaker 2: I've gotten up this morning and I've gone to put
Speaker 2: my shoes on, I've done my back. What do I do?
Speaker 2: And that's a sad thing to see that they come
Speaker 2: to us broken rather than come to us before they
Speaker 2: break and go, hey, I'm sixty one, I've just had
Speaker 2: my sixty one birthday. When I get the seventy one,
Speaker 2: I want to be feeling amazing, feel optimal health, be
Speaker 2: able to run up that stairs, you know, go to
Speaker 2: the beach, go with Prague and Perry down to Double
Speaker 2: Island point. And what do I need to do?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, we're not taking anyone. Fuck that.
Speaker 1: It's just you and me. They can get there themselves. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Now let's just put aside for the moment that not
Speaker 1: everyone can work with you. But we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about your stuff towards the end. But in general, though,
Speaker 1: like people can like you don't need to be you
Speaker 1: or me, right, you don't need to have multiple degrees
Speaker 1: to be able to be scientific.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So like, so when we what I mean by that is,
Speaker 1: you know, Brian the truck driver, shout out to Brian
Speaker 1: the truck driver, God bless him. He might go, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to just start to record a few things.
Speaker 1: I might get some as you call baseline data, and
Speaker 1: that might just be what's my what's my stomach measurement,
Speaker 1: my hip measurement, what's my body weight? You know, what's
Speaker 1: my energy level? If I had to do a subjective
Speaker 1: rating out of ten and then Brian the truck driver
Speaker 1: can start to put in place some what you and
Speaker 1: me would call protocols. Most people would just say changes
Speaker 1: where you do something, you try something, and then over
Speaker 1: time he or she or whoever can figure out what's working,
Speaker 1: because I mean, our body is always telling us something
Speaker 1: like our right. Our body's always talking to us right,
Speaker 1: and we need to learn that fucking language.
Speaker 2: This is the problem. Though people don't realize what their
Speaker 2: body's saying to them. They have accepted the fact that
Speaker 2: they feel like crap. And the biggest reason why I
Speaker 2: think this is is that let's say they're eight nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty running around feeling great, feeling amazing. You know, twenty
Speaker 2: years later of forty forty one, forty two, they've had
Speaker 2: twenty years of slow, slow incrementation of full food pull
Speaker 2: lifestyle choices, whatever right, life's gotten in the way, So
Speaker 2: they slowly, slowly go down the rabbit hole of not
Speaker 2: feeling fantastic, of feeling suboptimal, having no energy, feeling it's
Speaker 2: better just to sit on the couch rather than go
Speaker 2: after a walk, and they just accept that as being normal.
Speaker 2: And this is the problem is that this feeling of
Speaker 2: normal is actually really bad. You're in poor health. And
Speaker 2: it's when they start to create change, like you said,
Speaker 2: put a protocol in or do something different to try
Speaker 2: and assist their health and world be and they go, oh,
Speaker 2: my god, I feel amazing, and we sit there and go, well,
Speaker 2: that amazing is actually normal. That's how you should be feeling.
Speaker 2: I had an experience like this about a month ago.
Speaker 2: What had happened with me is that we had a
Speaker 2: few things going on here a friend that had passed away,
Speaker 2: So it sort of put me in a bit of
Speaker 2: a bad headspace because I was trying to help him out,
Speaker 2: and yet it just went belly up. Long story short,
Speaker 2: that passed away and a few other things. So for
Speaker 2: those few days, I wasn't eating properly. I was pretty
Speaker 2: sad about what had happened. I fell sorry for the family, etc.
Speaker 2: Missed out on training, missed out on food. My slip
Speaker 2: was disrupted. By the end of the week, I was
Speaker 2: a mess. I was at a few days and I went,
Speaker 2: I need to force myself to eat properly in I
Speaker 2: need to get just open up the cupboard, get the
Speaker 2: food out, get back into routine. And within forty eight
Speaker 2: hours I was bouncing off the walls again and I
Speaker 2: could handle the stresses of life have been dished out
Speaker 2: to me. But it was just that instance, dainious shock
Speaker 2: of you know, one mid I'm talking to this person,
Speaker 2: next minute they've passed away. It's like, what just happened?
Speaker 2: And I've got the taste of what it's like to
Speaker 2: not eat well, not sleep well, not be active, and
Speaker 2: you know, just being a negative headspace. How can affecting you, Savili?
Speaker 2: And unfortunately a lot of people are like that every
Speaker 2: day and it's.
Speaker 1: Sad, it is, and it's it's and we don't mean
Speaker 1: this too in any ways sound judgmental listeners at all,
Speaker 1: at all. That's actually coming from a place of you know,
Speaker 1: compassionate care. I want people to feel great. I want
Speaker 1: people to have energy. I want people to get out
Speaker 1: of bed and go.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: I love being me. Ah, how good is it me?
Speaker 1: You know, Peza, It's interesting. I'm like you. I weigh
Speaker 1: my fucking dinner, I weigh my breakfast. I weigh you know,
Speaker 1: I have protein powder. Everyone knows almonds, oats, some cilium husk,
Speaker 1: and a few bits and pieces a few seeds in
Speaker 1: my breakfast. I weighed every day before I put whatever
Speaker 1: I put on it, milk, whatever. It weighs one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty gram so it's not a small breakfast, right,
Speaker 1: And I also weigh my dinner. How if I have
Speaker 1: most nights i'll have like meat and vegies, but I
Speaker 1: weigh the amount of you know, and that just works
Speaker 1: for me. And again this is not a recommendation for you,
Speaker 1: the listener, But not last night, the night before. So
Speaker 1: what's today? So that was Tuesday. I'd had a massive day,
Speaker 1: and I every now and then i'll buy takeaway like
Speaker 1: I live in Hampton, as you know, there's a million
Speaker 1: fucking restaurants, and I'll go and get some some Thai food, chicken, veggies, rice, whatever.
Speaker 1: And when I was I don't know, in my twenties
Speaker 1: and thirties, I used to eat pasta like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But I rarely eat past it, right, I just anyway,
Speaker 1: the other night I went and I got I went
Speaker 1: fuck it like I'd not eaten much food just because
Speaker 1: my day was crazy, and I just ordered tortellini bolonnaise. Right, dude,
Speaker 1: I've felt like, so we are now ten forty, I
Speaker 1: can still feel that that was two nights ago, and
Speaker 1: it's not like the actual calories that I ate wouldn't
Speaker 1: been more than my normal dinner. But it's so funny.
Speaker 1: My body has been going to me for the last
Speaker 1: thirty six hours, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: And now I'm not saying donat passa everyone, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying donut to ord Lennie, but my body has very
Speaker 1: clearly told me don't do that again. I do not
Speaker 1: like it. And it's funny because you wouldn't think. I
Speaker 1: mean just typically, but oh my god, dude, I feel
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm starting to come good now, but I
Speaker 1: felt heavy in the I wasn't psychological. Physiologically, I felt ah.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I felt like low level nausea and I
Speaker 1: just felt blah. And also I actually think it impaired
Speaker 1: my cognition.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I have a similar story. One
Speaker 2: of my clients who's now become a good friend, messaged
Speaker 2: me and he goes, actually hate you, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's a really nice message. Why and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: I went out with my girlfriend down a Live on
Speaker 2: the street for those of that that's a nice alien
Speaker 2: restaurant area. And they've gone out and splurge and he's
Speaker 2: had dessert, et cetera. Now he's been fanatical about getting
Speaker 2: his health back on track. Was out of healthcare two
Speaker 2: years ago, so he has been eating what we term
Speaker 2: as clean, consistent home cooking, et cetera. They've gone out
Speaker 2: to celebrate with his partner. He reckons. By the time
Speaker 2: he got home, he was on that toilet and yeah,
Speaker 2: like let's say, exploding volpain and he goes, I hate you,
Speaker 2: he goes, my body just can't handle eating. You don't
Speaker 2: processed food anymore. That's all your fault. And I've said,
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, but you know you're actually fifteen kilos
Speaker 2: lighter and all your blood taste to shine that you're
Speaker 2: in optimal health. So yeah, blame the bald brick. It's
Speaker 2: all good. I'll pop it on the chin.
Speaker 1: I think just like when you are, you know, suboptimal,
Speaker 1: you know you're not in a great place physically, and
Speaker 1: as you were talking about a moment ago, you think,
Speaker 1: oh this is normal. Then when you get healthy, I
Speaker 1: mean functional, energetic. I'm not talking about what you look
Speaker 1: like everybody. I'm not talking about what you're weight is,
Speaker 1: you know, but just whatever that is when you get
Speaker 1: when you're in a better place like I. It's kind
Speaker 1: of although it's bad, but.
Speaker 2: It's for me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's good to do that have a bit of
Speaker 1: pasta because it makes me realize how good I normally feel,
Speaker 1: because I because my energy, my everything, my cognitive function,
Speaker 1: my training, my strength, everything is I think maybe I
Speaker 1: take it for granted a little bit because I've never
Speaker 1: really stopped right. It's like you, it's like I've I've
Speaker 1: never really like, I've never taken more than in the
Speaker 1: last forty five years. The most I wouldn't have trained
Speaker 1: would be one week and I can't even remember when
Speaker 1: that would have been.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean my diet's always been fucking optimal. That
Speaker 1: definitely has been a problem at times. But you know,
Speaker 1: for the last twenty years, I would say my diet
Speaker 1: has been, you know, as close to optimal as I
Speaker 1: can have it. But yeah, that when you feel really good,
Speaker 1: but your normal state is feeling really good, you kind
Speaker 1: of lose perspective and then when you feel shit, you're like, ah, fuck,
Speaker 1: this is horrible. I just want yesterday back when I
Speaker 1: wasn't eating this.
Speaker 2: And look, you mentioned it to all. Two is that
Speaker 2: it's become a way of life for us. Well, what
Speaker 2: we're doing, the way we eat, the way we train,
Speaker 2: the way we move, the way we sleep is now
Speaker 2: a normal aspect of our lifestyle. But that's how it was.
Speaker 2: Two hundred years ago. There was a packet of Colvin Ships,
Speaker 2: Senior Eminem's and all this that was there. There was
Speaker 2: no fast food places, so back then they were eating
Speaker 2: everything that came out of the earth or anything that
Speaker 2: was running around, et cetera. That's the way, you know,
Speaker 2: my grandparents ate and why my parents ate when they
Speaker 2: got here until they discovered, you know, Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Speaker 1: Shout out, Shout out to KFC, one of our biggest sponsors.
Speaker 1: They're no, they're not. I actually have been offered a
Speaker 1: couple of not through KFC, but other well known fast
Speaker 1: food outlets as sponsors for the show.
Speaker 2: And I've been approached for some supplement companies that I've
Speaker 2: just gone ah, yeah, no, thank you.
Speaker 1: Well, I had to say, have you listened to my
Speaker 1: fucking show? As if do you know what I do? Anyway? Hey,
Speaker 1: so we were going to do a show talking about
Speaker 1: myths and fallacies around food, but look at us, we
Speaker 1: haven't done that but let's talk about.
Speaker 2: A few anyway.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: Just a few things that I guess a lot of
Speaker 1: people are either misunderstand or curious about, or perhaps even
Speaker 1: a few topics that are somewhat divisive in that there's
Speaker 1: different there's two different schools of thought. So there's an
Speaker 1: idea that salt, you know, putting salt on our food
Speaker 1: is bad for us? What say you, Judge Perry.
Speaker 2: Judge Perry is now taken over the stand and we'll
Speaker 2: be discussing this clearly with you, salt. If you have
Speaker 2: a high pertension, promise, have you've got high blood pressure?
Speaker 2: We need to look at whether it's a renal condition
Speaker 2: or as a genetic issue, or whether it's got to
Speaker 2: do with your nutrition. Now, a lot of the times
Speaker 2: has got to do with the fact that you're eating
Speaker 2: a lot of ultra process food. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: hidden sodium in there, or you haven't just read the
Speaker 2: label to realize how much salt you're getting in through
Speaker 2: the day. So therefore your blood pressure goes through the roof.
Speaker 2: Your hydration system in your body has changed completely as
Speaker 2: well too, So we start to have a lot of
Speaker 2: issues here going on. But if you're a whole food eater,
Speaker 2: if you're eating a lot of fruit and vegetables and
Speaker 2: nuts and you don't buy any process food, you actually
Speaker 2: need salt and all the trace mineral eons that come
Speaker 2: with that to make it affecting your body. See, your
Speaker 2: body can work effectively. So in the end ninety program
Speaker 2: that I run, because it's a whole full basis, my
Speaker 2: clients must be put in there anywhere between one to
Speaker 2: five brands of Celtic salt in their food per day.
Speaker 2: And initially people sort of get scared and they go, oh,
Speaker 2: what do you mean. I'm like one, Celtic salts got
Speaker 2: a lower amount of sodium compared to the other nutrients
Speaker 2: that any and the other micronutrients. But more importantly, it's
Speaker 2: going to assist with all the other bodily functions, Like
Speaker 2: there's calcium, magnetesium, potassium, and the list goes on and
Speaker 2: on and on which you require for bodily function. It's
Speaker 2: when we isolate the sodium, so you get you know,
Speaker 2: the old sacks assault that my mum and dad used
Speaker 2: to put all over their food because I thought this
Speaker 2: is cheap and easy. Well it is cheap and easy,
Speaker 2: but that shoots your blood pressure up through the roof
Speaker 2: and there's no other benefit to it. There's no o
Speaker 2: the other traces and minerals that you require. So salt
Speaker 2: I'd give people the thumbs up. Basically your nutrition and
Speaker 2: if you're eating whole foods, you're going to need it.
Speaker 2: You're going to need to put solving your steak, You're
Speaker 2: going to need to put salt in your vegetables to
Speaker 2: have your body functioning effectively. And again the old thing,
Speaker 2: let's monitor it, Let's work out how much you need
Speaker 2: as an individual to make it work effectively for you.
Speaker 1: All Right, love it by the way, that's not a
Speaker 1: recommendation to just go crazy. Un sold everyone, But I'm
Speaker 1: where do people get Celtic salt?
Speaker 2: By the way, any health food shop will get it,
Speaker 2: or you can buy it online as well too. Make
Speaker 2: sure it's the unrefinedment because unfortunately, because people see Celtic
Speaker 2: salt and it's an original state, it's a gray width
Speaker 2: type of salt. Because it's unrefined, some companies refine it
Speaker 2: and make it look white, and when they've done it,
Speaker 2: they've actually taken some of the good qualities out of it.
Speaker 2: So be aware that the salt that you'll buy will
Speaker 2: have a great color and it will be moisty. Come'm
Speaker 2: putting in normal shaky and if you use your fingers
Speaker 2: to grab it and sprinkle it over your food.
Speaker 1: Wow, moist salt. Who would have thought that could be
Speaker 1: the name of the show Moist Salt.
Speaker 2: I'm writing that down right now.
Speaker 1: All right, we could do a whole show on this,
Speaker 1: but just give us like sixty to one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty seconds on some of the confusion around carbs, because
Speaker 1: I mean, carbs could be a fucking handful of lollies,
Speaker 1: or it could be mashed potato, or it could be
Speaker 1: a bowl full of fucking steamed veggie or an apple.
Speaker 1: So give us the just just give us a little
Speaker 1: bit of insight.
Speaker 2: Okay. So all carbo hydrates are not the same day.
Speaker 2: All will break down into either fructose or glucose into
Speaker 2: the body to get absorbed, and fructose will get broken
Speaker 2: down again. But the process that fructose goes breaks down
Speaker 2: within the body goes through the liver first, so there's
Speaker 2: a little bit of a difference. And when it comes
Speaker 2: to fructose and eating fruit, the problem with sugar is
Speaker 2: is that people look at sugar on its own, and
Speaker 2: we'll have let's say, sugar sweetened beverages, or they're adding
Speaker 2: sugar to every food that they've gotten there, like they
Speaker 2: make a cake and you'll see they'll go put one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty grams of sugar in there. Anything in
Speaker 2: such a high dose is going to cause a problem
Speaker 2: with the body. Any any individual item that we take
Speaker 2: is going to create a problem within the body if
Speaker 2: the dosage is too high. So with sugar, sugar is fine.
Speaker 2: There is no problems with sugar. You will not get diabetes.
Speaker 2: With sugar, you will not get the bone put on
Speaker 2: fat if you're having carbs on at night. It's yeah,
Speaker 2: all these fallacies. It's understanding that the energy balance of
Speaker 2: energy in versus energy out. So you've got someone that
Speaker 2: can explain it to you effectively and understand what your
Speaker 2: energy output is and then you balance it out with
Speaker 2: your intake. And a carbohydrate is a macro nutrient that
Speaker 2: we need to monitor and we need to understand the
Speaker 2: carbohydrates and sugar basically are an energy source for the
Speaker 2: body that don't make you fat. What makes you fat
Speaker 2: is eating way too much of anything. You eat too
Speaker 2: much protai and you're going to get fat. You eat
Speaker 2: too much fat, you're going to get fat. You eat
Speaker 2: too many carbs, you're going to get fat. So the
Speaker 2: realistic approach is to understand what carbohydrates and should we
Speaker 2: do within the body itself, and then monitor it and
Speaker 2: have the right amount that's going to suit you. So, yes,
Speaker 2: you can have carbs at night, you will not get fat.
Speaker 2: Yes you can have a piece of fruit before you
Speaker 2: go to bed, you will not get diabetes. The interesting
Speaker 2: thing is, though, and this is one thing I've explained
Speaker 2: with a couple of my clients, if you have a
Speaker 2: big carbohydrate meal before you go to bed and you
Speaker 2: are getting blood tests on the next morning, I've proved
Speaker 2: this over and over again that your blood glucose level
Speaker 2: in the morning in the fastest state, will be elevated. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're on borderline already and then you have carbs
Speaker 2: at night and you go to your doctor, that might
Speaker 2: say you're pre diabetic. So always advise people, if you're
Speaker 2: getting blood TIS done, please have your carves before lunchtime.
Speaker 2: And then if you're having anything else with which are carbohdlates,
Speaker 2: such as vegetables, they're fibrous don't have too many of them.
Speaker 2: Let the body work into its normal state, so we
Speaker 2: get on a state of homeostasis. Wing you're getting your
Speaker 2: blood works done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. And what's interesting is I think
Speaker 1: people try and just bring, you know, obesity or dysfunction
Speaker 1: or poor health down to one thing. Oh it's carps,
Speaker 1: and you're like, there's so many fucking variables, right, and
Speaker 1: not even you know, it's like you said, you eat
Speaker 1: too much of anything, You're going to gain Wait, you're
Speaker 1: going to gain fat. So you could have you could
Speaker 1: have the perfect diet in terms of what you're eating,
Speaker 1: the quality of food, the type of food, like you said,
Speaker 1: everything that was grown or running around or swimming. You know,
Speaker 1: you could have all whole foods. But you have a
Speaker 1: thousand calories a day more than you need. Guess what,
Speaker 1: you know it ain't healthy. Yes, the food sauce is healthy,
Speaker 1: the type of food that you are eating is healthy.
Speaker 1: But the volume of food that you are eating is unhealthy.
Speaker 1: And you know what else is I was going to
Speaker 1: say frustrating, It's not frustrating, it's just fucking annoying. Is that,
Speaker 1: you know, despite the fact that we're more educated, more
Speaker 1: researched and all of that than ever, and yes, we
Speaker 1: need to talk about all the minutia and the variables
Speaker 1: around micros and macros and quality of food and the
Speaker 1: thermogenic effective food and all that. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about that in a minute. But the bottom line is
Speaker 1: most Australians just fucking eat too much. But I mean,
Speaker 1: that's it the end.
Speaker 2: And you know what, when we do a self report analysis,
Speaker 2: so we getting to do a food frequency report, it
Speaker 2: has been proven I think percent of these people under
Speaker 2: risk them what they're eating. Of course I only had
Speaker 2: a bag of chips, but they had four or you know,
Speaker 2: I only had one slice of pizza. It was two massive,
Speaker 2: large pieces that you ate and we forget the alcohol
Speaker 2: that you had to wash it down with. You know,
Speaker 2: it is incredible to actually see that. And when you
Speaker 2: have people that actually when we do surveys and we
Speaker 2: actually have people that monitor in their lifestyle that they're
Speaker 2: actually with them when they report what they've eaten, and
Speaker 2: when we see what they've eaten, eighty percent of the time,
Speaker 2: it's very different, and it makes it frustrating. It really does.
Speaker 2: It creates the problem because you're trying to identify a
Speaker 2: problem to give them a solution, and they're like giving
Speaker 2: you the actual facts, and like I said, they're just
Speaker 2: over eat and I don't realize that overeating. They're like, hey,
Speaker 2: I had two big Macs. Well you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: have the diet coke. I didn't Sorry, I didn't have
Speaker 2: a coke, had a diet coke.
Speaker 1: So it's fine, yeah, yeah, And I mean, look, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's also hard for and I'm not giving
Speaker 1: anyone to get out of jail card. But you know,
Speaker 1: like as somebody who has struggled with food a lot
Speaker 1: of his life, and you know, when you've been eating
Speaker 1: a certain way and you socialize a certain way, and
Speaker 1: you know you are somewhat addicted to a certain way
Speaker 1: of eating, and it can be fucking addictive because whether
Speaker 1: or not you love Big Max or fucking Heroine or gambling,
Speaker 1: it's producing the same effect in your brain, which is dopamine, right,
Speaker 1: So you know, and the problem is if or the
Speaker 1: challenges I guess, like when you are used to eating
Speaker 1: a certain way and it gives you that although it
Speaker 1: doesn't make you feel great overall, but in the moment,
Speaker 1: like if you love fucking quarter pounders. And you have
Speaker 1: a quarter pounder for about seven minutes. You're so fucking happy, right,
Speaker 1: but it's after the seven minutes that you start to
Speaker 1: feel like dogshit. I wanted to I wanted to just
Speaker 1: talk to you about something that I hadn't intended to,
Speaker 1: but this is really relevant. So I often get people
Speaker 1: come to me pez and go, oh, can you look
Speaker 1: at this? And they hand me a can of something? Right,
Speaker 1: someone handed me a can of something recently, and it's
Speaker 1: like this, it's like a multi you know, like everything
Speaker 1: in it like a daily picked me up kind of
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit like a one Greens or
Speaker 1: whatever it's called. You know those things. Anyway, so the
Speaker 1: person gives me this canon. I look at the cannon
Speaker 1: on the back of the fucking vitamin this and vitamin
Speaker 1: that and all these minerals, and you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the list is like as long as you're arm, there's
Speaker 1: like fucking fifty thing. I'm like, this is magic. Well
Speaker 1: I'm not like, They're like this is magic. It's got
Speaker 1: all the shit in it. And then I start reading
Speaker 1: the quantities, right, I'm like, yeah, I go it is
Speaker 1: in here, but do you know how much like, for example,
Speaker 1: vitamin C or magnesium or whatever is a therapeutic dose. Well,
Speaker 1: this has got about one fiftieth of what you need
Speaker 1: for the day, right, And so so there are all
Speaker 1: these products that go, oh, it's got all this stuff
Speaker 1: in it, but it's at such a low fucking dose
Speaker 1: that it doesn't do anything. So technically they're not lying, right,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you might need I mean, it depends
Speaker 1: who you talk to, but I reckon, you need a
Speaker 1: fair bit of vitamin C. What's your what's your RDI
Speaker 1: on vitamin C?
Speaker 2: I need to look up the NRV because they've actually
Speaker 2: changed about six months ago. So we have to rather
Speaker 2: meke a quoto number or a figure. We go to
Speaker 2: the National Reference Values and anyone can access these and
Speaker 2: just type in vitamin C and we actually see how
Speaker 2: much vitamin C you need.
Speaker 1: Good idea, you know, we need to find the right
Speaker 1: not just the right fucking you know, micro macro nutrient
Speaker 1: or mineral or vitamin, but also at the right dose. Right.
Speaker 2: Well two, I'm going to be get with two points here,
Speaker 2: Craig number one. Unless I will use magnesum as an example.
Speaker 2: Everyone thinks they need magnesium to sleep better. To feel better,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But there are so many different types of magnesium.
Speaker 2: I think there's four different types of agnice. So they're
Speaker 2: buying the magnesium to assault so you can absorb in
Speaker 2: the body. Usually with a product like that that's got
Speaker 2: four hundred and seventy two things listened to it, what
Speaker 2: you find is is that quality of magnesis igbuising is
Speaker 2: a really shit one. Exsuse of French here, but it's
Speaker 2: a really low gradear that it's not biovailable because it's
Speaker 2: so cheap and it's easy for them put in there
Speaker 2: and you look at it and go, I've got magnesium
Speaker 2: in here, but your body can't even process that, So
Speaker 2: what's the point. Secondly, you know you talk about vitamin
Speaker 2: C fantastic, right. We know that for the body to work,
Speaker 2: we might need X amount, thousand milligrams whatever of vitamin C,
Speaker 2: but how do you know how much you need as
Speaker 2: an individual? Blood works, blood tests? Rather than go out
Speaker 2: and buy all this stuff and spend hundreds of dollars
Speaker 2: on all these supplements because John up the road told
Speaker 2: me this is really good, and TikTok was saying that
Speaker 2: I need magnesium, and the guy next door was saying
Speaker 2: he's vitamin D deficient. So I must be vitamin deficient
Speaker 2: because we live next door to each other and go
Speaker 2: out and spend one hundreds of dollars on all these vitamins.
Speaker 2: We can spend a twenty nine dollars and go to
Speaker 2: your doctor and get a filled blood panel done and go, hey,
Speaker 2: look at my zinc levels, they're low. Look at my
Speaker 2: magnesium levels, they're high. Look at my vitamin D levels.
Speaker 2: I live in Queensland, they're off the clock. Look and
Speaker 2: what people don't realize is is that they have the
Speaker 2: dose is what creates the poison. So let's say my
Speaker 2: mightamin D level is right up on the upper limit, right,
Speaker 2: So we know in Australia used to be fifty to
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty per litter. Now it's changed to
Speaker 2: fifty two hundred and fifty. Why whether at beasts and
Speaker 2: there's a lot in my opining. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: long story why I think why they've dropped the level.
Speaker 2: But if you're let's say, going off the old scale
Speaker 2: of two hundred and fifty, you're two hundred and forty,
Speaker 2: and then you start to mega those ten thousand IU
Speaker 2: a day and you go now three fifty four hundred,
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the risk of causing you know,
Speaker 2: hiding and barteries, et cetera, goes through the roof. And
Speaker 2: it's all because you didn't get a blood test to
Speaker 2: see where you're at before you get started, before you
Speaker 2: spend the three hundred and ninety five dollars to get
Speaker 2: it from some company from the Amazon that sends that
Speaker 2: I a via plane and two ships to get to you.
Speaker 2: So you've got this unique form of vitamin D that's
Speaker 2: got a label on it that you can't read.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to be the devil's advocate for a moment.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't disagree on anything. But
Speaker 1: also even when we go, oh, or the RDI or
Speaker 1: the what was that other organization you.
Speaker 2: Said, mate, Well, the National Reference for which actually recommend
Speaker 2: daily intakes and stuff, Well that's got the lower limit
Speaker 2: everything in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like, who's to say that, Let's just go,
Speaker 1: let's just I don't know whatever the fucking the X
Speaker 1: Y Z mineral you the recommendation for you and me
Speaker 1: is a thousand milligrams, And we get you and I
Speaker 1: get tested, and we're both low in the X Y
Speaker 1: Z whatever. And then so the prescription is a thousand
Speaker 1: milligrams a day. Then there's the other fact that my
Speaker 1: physiology in your physiology might respond differently to the exact
Speaker 1: same dose of the exact thing, and it's definitely not
Speaker 1: going to produce the exact same benefit because again we're
Speaker 1: genetically different. So you know, like even with urdies, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I reckon, definitely we need them because we need to.
Speaker 1: You know, like one of my friends went and got
Speaker 1: his testosterone checked. Now he's fifty five or something, and
Speaker 1: his testosterone is like through the fucking floor, and I
Speaker 1: can't tell you all the symptoms, but you could guess
Speaker 1: what the symptoms are, right, And apart from losing muscle mass,
Speaker 1: he's depressed, he's got and I think and this is
Speaker 1: a whole other podcast, but I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: like part of it is because his testosterone level is
Speaker 1: incredibly low. It's like a ninety year old man. And
Speaker 1: the doctor basically said to him, well, you know you're
Speaker 1: in your fifties. That happens on your way rather than going, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe we could try a therapeutic dose,
Speaker 1: you know, just like with women, where we replace estrogen
Speaker 1: and progesterone and we call it HRT or there's different
Speaker 1: protocols and different ideas, you know. But the thing is
Speaker 1: that maybe we'll have a chat about this one day.
Speaker 1: But even with this with like, men have an endocrime
Speaker 1: system as do women, and men have a dominant sex
Speaker 1: or moment it's called testosterone. But because there's such an
Speaker 1: issue around buff edge using steroids, we can't even have
Speaker 1: this conversation for when there's this you know, opportunity or
Speaker 1: perhaps this medical reality for some men to explore some
Speaker 1: kind of hormonal treatment that's analogous to what women do
Speaker 1: or use, but you know, for the dominant male hormone.
Speaker 1: You know. But it's like, ah, no, no, Like, it's
Speaker 1: just so fucking dumb that we can't just treat some things,
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm talking about clinic call treatment. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about people's self administering or any bullshit. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about you know, does that ever frustrate you that?
Speaker 2: Oh mate? I like, you know, I do a lot
Speaker 2: on blood testing, even though I'm not a doctor or
Speaker 2: a dietitian, so I can't prescribe. I can only offer
Speaker 2: my opinion on stuff. And I've had let's say, some
Speaker 2: in depth conversations with doctors regarding people's blood tests. And
Speaker 2: when I see stuff like this, whether it's some optimal
Speaker 2: testosterone level, and the guy's complaining here erect of dysfunction,
Speaker 2: I'm losing muscle mass, I'm feeling like crap, etc. And
Speaker 2: go to the doctor where you can see everything else
Speaker 2: is normal except this testostera. Why can't you give him
Speaker 2: even just a basic gel a testojel that he can
Speaker 2: use to help elevate him. And then with what you
Speaker 2: mentioned before, how you and I could take a thousand
Speaker 2: milligrams or something, we see how I respond. The way
Speaker 2: to check that is to retest your blood work. So
Speaker 2: six weeks later or twelve weeks later, redo your blood
Speaker 2: testing might find a thousand milligrams worked amazing for you,
Speaker 2: but for me, because I've got no hair, I need
Speaker 2: five thousand milligrams. And that's the thing we've got to
Speaker 2: retest after we take something. We don't just assume that
Speaker 2: it's fine. And secondly, this stuff with the humans where
Speaker 2: we've got a differentiation between females and males, where females
Speaker 2: can go yep, I'm going through perimidoporesal and our menopausal
Speaker 2: I can go a hi ten and it's easy, and
Speaker 2: it's I think you've got our adoptor as a male,
Speaker 2: and you complain of all your issues and your testosterone
Speaker 2: levels alw. It is so rare and very difficult for
Speaker 2: them to prescribe you with any form of testosterone replacement
Speaker 2: therapy to try and help you out. That's really really hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe that'll change over the next five to
Speaker 1: ten years. Who knows. All Right, I want to finish
Speaker 1: on one thing and I'm being a little bit self
Speaker 1: indulgent here because I want to know. Tell me about eggs,
Speaker 1: Tell me about cholesterol, tell me about yolks. What's the current?
Speaker 1: By the way, Pez has got a Master's degreen nutrition.
Speaker 1: If you're wondering what qualifies him, he's not just some
Speaker 1: Well he is a buffet and he is a bodybuilder,
Speaker 1: but also he's an educated bullf ed tell us about eggs, mate.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, egg's got a really bad rap. We got
Speaker 2: told that you should eat you know, one egg, one
Speaker 2: egg yog to three egg whites and that's it for
Speaker 2: the day. And you know egg whites are better for you.
Speaker 2: Et cetera. Well, there's a couple of fallacies with that number. One.
Speaker 2: We've actually found that there is no restrictions on a
Speaker 2: number of ext you can But what we need to
Speaker 2: take into consideration that in eggs there is a little
Speaker 2: bit of cholesterol that we need to be addressed, like
Speaker 2: the saturated fat, But more importantly, there's a better form
Speaker 2: of a polyunsaturated fat, which is the centsion fat, which
Speaker 2: is a Mega three. So it's got a Mega three,
Speaker 2: some traces a Mega six, and a little bit of
Speaker 2: a Mega nine. Lot every fat. We need to understand
Speaker 2: that there is they're always going to find these three together.
Speaker 2: We don't have it like you can't get a let's
Speaker 2: say a product is sort of Mega three on its side,
Speaker 2: like for example, olive oil. We know it's a Mega nine,
Speaker 2: but there's still a Mega six and a Mega three
Speaker 2: in there. So there's a predominant oil that stands out
Speaker 2: and then place elements of the others. So with eggs,
Speaker 2: because we went down this pathway of ninety eight percent
Speaker 2: fat and fat's what push your problem? And fat, what's
Speaker 2: make with fat? Et cetera, we decided to say, well,
Speaker 2: look at that the yolks or fat. I don't care.
Speaker 2: We're going to throw them in the bin. And that's
Speaker 2: a lot of crap. There's actually scientific studies that have
Speaker 2: come through. Now that's something. You can eat as many
Speaker 2: eggs as you like, as long as you're cholesterols in check, right,
Speaker 2: if you know that your triglycerides are on point, and
Speaker 2: now we're understanding that ApoB is a very important blood test,
Speaker 2: and then your non HDLC is the next important one.
Speaker 2: If you're monitoring them and you see where you're at,
Speaker 2: then you can have as many eggs as you like.
Speaker 2: There is no issue with that. But even if you
Speaker 2: try and do the old Wocki thing eat eggs raw,
Speaker 2: that's a big mistake because in egg white there is
Speaker 2: a product called avident, and avident bonds to vitamin B seven,
Speaker 2: which is biten and biotin is involved in a lot
Speaker 2: of chemical reactions within the body, a lot of energy
Speaker 2: releasing products like in metabolism with fats, and within the
Speaker 2: actual cell itself to function effectively. So if you're blocking biotin,
Speaker 2: you're going to start feeling like crap. And I've had
Speaker 2: clients that have tried this with the eat the raw
Speaker 2: eggs and they always end up saying a very similar thing,
Speaker 2: and they go, I feel I've got a metallic taste
Speaker 2: in my mouth and I don't feel well. Now. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a correlation of the non absorption
Speaker 2: of biiton or whether it's just the egg white that's
Speaker 2: tasting like crap. And they want to be like Rocky
Speaker 2: and run up a flying the stairs. But in a nutshell,
Speaker 2: you know, cook your eggs. Always cook the egg white
Speaker 2: very important. You can have a running oat. There's no
Speaker 2: problems at all. And yes, you can eat as many
Speaker 2: eggs as you like, as long as you don't have
Speaker 2: any underlying health conditions which involves cholesterol high levels cholesterol
Speaker 2: high levels of druggles ride in the body.
Speaker 1: He's not suggesting that you do eat twelve a day,
Speaker 1: by the way everyone, but perhaps that you don't need
Speaker 1: to be terrified of having one or more a day.
Speaker 2: Ye tell people. I've had people freak out and go
Speaker 2: I had a whole egg with it, and I'm really concerned.
Speaker 2: I said, well, if you ate the shell, I'd be
Speaker 2: worried too. It's okay. You can have your egg. You're
Speaker 2: can have two eggs, you can have three eggs. Because
Speaker 2: in three eggs there's twenty one grands of protein, which
Speaker 2: is it's perfect for your body to function nicely.
Speaker 1: How do people find you?
Speaker 2: Mate? Where do they?
Speaker 1: Where can they connect with you? Website? Instagram, brand products.
Speaker 2: Go beautiful? Okay, Well, I have a company known as
Speaker 2: Nutrition ninety, so you can look up nutrition ninety dot
Speaker 2: com dot au or to make it easier N ninety
Speaker 2: dot com dot au. I'm also on Instagram under Nutrition ninety.
Speaker 2: I'm on YouTube on Nutrition ninety. I am on Facebook
Speaker 2: as Nutrition ninety. If you go on my Instagram page,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of information on there to fill you in.
Speaker 2: I'm on TikTok with some more of a comical approach
Speaker 2: to nutrition as well too. If you want to find
Speaker 2: me on there again, either Nutrition ninety or my name
Speaker 2: Perry Venatis.
Speaker 1: Good work you fuck well. Now we just need the
Speaker 1: book and then we can flog your book. When's that
Speaker 1: coming out next year?
Speaker 2: Hopefully the beginning of next year? Perfect perfect sarcopenia my
Speaker 2: favorite subject.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fuck, that's very speaking of people over sixty,
Speaker 1: that's relevant, mate, l sagab fair But for the moment,
Speaker 1: Perry Venakas from Nutrition ninety n ninety. Check him out, mate.
Speaker 1: We love you and appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and thank you so much for
Speaker 2: being on the show. Always great to see you, Craig go.
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy.
Speaker 2: Bye,