Speaker 1: From the Skying Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: Yes, we certainly have welcome to Paul Murray Live with
Speaker 1: me Danikidi Giorgio. They have indeed let me back into
Speaker 1: this man cave for a second night in a row.
Speaker 1: And boy, we've got a big show ahead coming up.
Speaker 1: What is it actually going to take to get rid
Speaker 1: of Kevin Rudd? And who is the real village idiot?
Speaker 1: I think we know the answer to that. Four foreign
Speaker 1: nationals arrive on our shores on a boat? Are our
Speaker 1: borders secure under labor? And the US snubs the UN's
Speaker 1: Climate conference. But it's okay because the Talibahun will be
Speaker 1: making an appearance. But first tonight, you know, I'm really
Speaker 1: trying to picture a meeting between Kevin Rudd and Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: or perhaps their first phone call even since Trump's re election.
Speaker 1: And I've got to say, wondering if we'll go Hi,
Speaker 1: mister Trump. It's Kevin. Kevin here, Kevin O seven Big keV.
Speaker 1: You know you might remember me. I'm the ambassador. I
Speaker 1: consider myself a really intelligent person. In fact, here's some
Speaker 1: of my previous work.
Speaker 2: Ah, there's language. He's just complicates it so much, you know,
Speaker 2: how can anyone do this? Man, this is just impossible.
Speaker 2: My name's Kevin. I'm from Queensland. I'm here to help.
Speaker 3: Oh, fair shake of the sauce bottle mate, fair shaker,
Speaker 3: the sauce bottle mate.
Speaker 1: Well again, fair shaker, the source bottle mate.
Speaker 4: It's highly unlikely that you will have anything emerged from
Speaker 4: the NEF by way of detailed programmatic specificity.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sure, but really really understand that one over there.
Speaker 1: I can just see it, you see, Donald, I know
Speaker 1: lots of things. That's why they call me the doctor.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm doctor rud I've got a PhD, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's when Trump walks out of the room or
Speaker 1: hangs up the phone, when he realizes that this is
Speaker 1: the same Kevin from Australia or Kevin from Queensland apparently,
Speaker 1: who called him the most destructive president in history and
Speaker 1: a traitor to the West, and now was revealed by
Speaker 1: my colleague Sharry markson a village idiot.
Speaker 2: So as that changes in China's favor, and as the
Speaker 2: United States in the last four years has been run
Speaker 2: by a village idiot.
Speaker 1: But according to Rudd, there is nothing to see here
Speaker 1: because the diplomat annihilated his keyboard last week, furiously deleting
Speaker 1: any and all evidence of his past criticisms of Trump
Speaker 1: immediately after Trump won. That was Kevin Rudd's office said
Speaker 1: that this was done to eliminate the possibility of such
Speaker 1: comments being misconstrued as reflecting his positions as ambassador and,
Speaker 1: by extension, the views of the Australian government. Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: because being labeled a traitor to the West, that must
Speaker 1: be misconstrued. But no, no, it doesn't matter because here
Speaker 1: is what Labor will tell you today that.
Speaker 4: As the Prime Minister and Pennymont Long made clear last week,
Speaker 4: Kevin is doing an excellent job.
Speaker 1: An excellent job. This is real comedy, gold and que
Speaker 1: The next one is Keaven Rud the right person to
Speaker 1: be US ambassdon Yes, no, never mind, he insulted the
Speaker 1: next leader of the free world, not once, but multiple times.
Speaker 1: Kevin from Australia is apparently doing an excellent job. Please
Speaker 1: and with that, it's now official. The appointment of Kevin
Speaker 1: Rudd Anthony Aarbernezy's big captain's pick has blown up in
Speaker 1: his face. Rudd was after all, booted from his office
Speaker 1: by his own Party in twenty ten, Australia sent him
Speaker 1: packing three years later, and then he turns up in Washington.
Speaker 1: What does it take to get rid of him? Alban
Speaker 1: Eazy should have at the very least prepared for the
Speaker 1: possibility that Trump could very well be or re elected
Speaker 1: again when he thrust his mentor and form a boss
Speaker 1: into the job. At the very least put someone into
Speaker 1: the ambassador role that could foster relationships in a positive
Speaker 1: way between Australia and the US. Because Rudd's unhinged tantrums
Speaker 1: saw him call Trump a traitor to the West in
Speaker 1: that now deleted social media post, the most destructive president
Speaker 1: in history. He drags America and democracy through the mud
Speaker 1: that he thrives on, fermenting, not healing division. He abuses Christianity,
Speaker 1: Church and Bible to justify violence. At a political science webinar,
Speaker 1: Rudd described the president electors incoherent and occasionally in love
Speaker 1: with dictators. And this.
Speaker 4: I think the general consensus amongst anyone concerned with the
Speaker 4: public policy process, domestic or international, thinks he's nuts.
Speaker 1: So the question has to be asked, why on earth
Speaker 1: was Rudd chosen in the first place. All this was
Speaker 1: out on the Internet for the world to see, and
Speaker 1: still somehow Rudd ended up our top diplomat.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: His position as ambassador is now completely untenable, and it's
Speaker 1: his own fault, as it always is with Kevin Rudd
Speaker 1: and his ego. He probably has to sidestep his own
Speaker 1: ego just to fit through doors. And if he thinks
Speaker 1: that by deleting any in all evidence of his past
Speaker 1: comments about Donald Trump, that all will be forgiven, he's mistaken.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is no fool. Call him what you want,
Speaker 1: like him, all ow them. But this is a man
Speaker 1: who has built his career on fostering strong relationships with
Speaker 1: people who show him respect, so you can hardly blame
Speaker 1: him for these comments.
Speaker 6: He won't be there longer, that's the case. I don't
Speaker 6: know much about him. I heard he was a little
Speaker 6: bit nasty. I hear he's not the brightest bulb. But
Speaker 6: I don't know much about him. But if if he's
Speaker 6: at all hostile, he will not be there long.
Speaker 1: And it's this sort of arrogance by Rudd that makes
Speaker 1: his appointment by Albow dangerous. Rudd slanted Trump on the
Speaker 1: world stage, told the world he was destructive, The Australia
Speaker 1: US relationship is so important, So why on earth would
Speaker 1: Trump be willing and likely to pick up the phone
Speaker 1: or meet with Kevin from Queensland, Kevin from Australia when
Speaker 1: he's been slanted by the man. I've got to say,
Speaker 1: there's only two idiots who need to go back to
Speaker 1: their villagers, and that's Albin Easy and Rudd. And let's
Speaker 1: be honest, Kevin and his ego won't go voluntarily, but
Speaker 1: he certainly can't delete his way out of this one.
Speaker 1: It's time for Albo to take some advice from Trump
Speaker 1: and say, hey, keV, you fy it now. Look, I've
Speaker 1: got to say it appears that the ghosts of the
Speaker 1: rud Gillard Rudd era are circling again because the resolve
Speaker 1: of Labour's border is being tested, with four foreign nationals
Speaker 1: arriving in a remote part of the Northern Territory on Monday.
Speaker 1: It is understood that these four individuals were located on
Speaker 1: the remote Croker Island, around two hundred and fifty kilometers
Speaker 1: northeast of Darwin by traditional owners, and there are reports
Speaker 1: that the arrivals told locals on the island they paid
Speaker 1: someone to be taken to Australia. It is believed they
Speaker 1: arrived by boat. Now the group are apparently no longer here,
Speaker 1: but here we go right before and election. It was
Speaker 1: indeed revealed in Senate estimates last week that there have
Speaker 1: been twenty two confirmed illegal boat arrivals since the federal
Speaker 1: election in May twenty twenty two, all under that failed
Speaker 1: Andrew Jarles experiment, and now here we go again under
Speaker 1: Tony Burke. But g I wish someone in charge of
Speaker 1: the borders was like this man, Thomas Holman. Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: brand new borders are the man tasks with the deporting
Speaker 1: millions of illegals from the cun He's a former police
Speaker 1: officer and immigration official and a man who means business.
Speaker 7: I think some of these democratic governments they're going to
Speaker 7: stand in the way.
Speaker 8: They're going to make a heart for us.
Speaker 9: Well a suggestion, if you I can't help us get
Speaker 9: the hell out of work, we're going to do it.
Speaker 1: Here he is, again not mincing his words. We have
Speaker 1: seen one estimate that says it would cost eighty eight
Speaker 1: billion dollars to deport a million people a year.
Speaker 9: I don't know if that's occured or not.
Speaker 3: Is that what American taxpayers should expect?
Speaker 10: What price do you put on national security?
Speaker 11: Is that worth it?
Speaker 3: Is there a way to carry out mass deportation without
Speaker 3: separating families?
Speaker 2: Of course, yes, families can be deported together.
Speaker 1: And look, I've got to say, that's how you'd expect
Speaker 1: a person in charge of borders to speak, no nonsense,
Speaker 1: serious and ready to act. It's really great to say
Speaker 1: the adults back in charge of an office somewhere in
Speaker 1: the world. All right, let's get into it tonight. A
Speaker 1: big show ahead. Joining me now is Liberal Senator Holly
Speaker 1: Hughes and freyl each from the Mensies Research Center. Here
Speaker 1: we are. It is Ladies Night, Paul Murray live.
Speaker 12: Here.
Speaker 1: We are in the man Cave. I don't know. Should
Speaker 1: we call it the man Cave tonight? I don't know.
Speaker 5: Is it half priced drinks for ladies?
Speaker 1: How it works the lady's lounge? I don't know. Don't worry, Paul,
Speaker 1: We're not going to touch anything in here. Okay, everything
Speaker 1: is going to be left intact. Don't worry. We know
Speaker 1: you're coming back tomorrow night. Look, let's launch into this.
Speaker 1: I've got to start with our old friend I'm sure,
Speaker 1: an Avid Sky News viewer, and Kevin run I'm sure
Speaker 1: he loves loves the shows here, but holy what is
Speaker 1: it actually going to take now for Rudd to go?
Speaker 1: Surely his position is untenable.
Speaker 13: Did anyone else get a bit of PTSD then when
Speaker 13: they were just watching some of those clips? I mean,
Speaker 13: I think I've actually forcefully put him out of his
Speaker 13: out of my mind, like those the zingers that he
Speaker 13: tries and the little throwaway lines because he's so much
Speaker 13: cleverer than everybody else in the room.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just cringe, you know, you do about
Speaker 5: someone gives.
Speaker 13: You the EG Welcome to keV, but yes, it would
Speaker 13: sing to me his position after today's latest video finding
Speaker 13: and I'm sure there will be many more to come
Speaker 13: that his position has to be considered untenable. Obviously the
Speaker 13: Labor Party, he was Albaneze's personal pick. They'll try and
Speaker 13: do everything they can to keep him there. I've heard
Speaker 13: tonight that apparently he's been reaching out to Scott Morrison
Speaker 13: asking him for assistance to develop relationships. The fact that
Speaker 13: he didn't delete these posts until Trump was re elected,
Speaker 13: I mean, it's either mass stupidity, not only by him
Speaker 13: but by the entire defat diplomatic corps who didn't say
Speaker 13: to him, mate, get rid of your Twitter now, like
Speaker 13: when you're appointed, get rid of your Twitter, like we
Speaker 13: know Sam, just stop.
Speaker 5: Well, but when Sam Mouston moved into.
Speaker 13: The Governor General role, all of her social media was
Speaker 13: white and gone because she was going into the office
Speaker 13: of the Governor General. Kevin Orright's gone into the office
Speaker 13: of the ambassador representing US, representing Australians to the United States.
Speaker 13: It's not about him anymore. It's about Australia. And it's
Speaker 13: never been about Australia for Kevin. It's always been about Kevin.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's all well and good. I did
Speaker 1: hear on Charry Martson's program that he has reached out
Speaker 1: to Scott Morrison. Well, it's all well and good now
Speaker 1: to want to be trying to foster relationships and build relationships, keV,
Speaker 1: you've been there for a while. Why haven't you been
Speaker 1: trying to foster relationships for some time? Freyer, it's almost
Speaker 1: an obsession with Donald Trump and it's come back to
Speaker 1: bite him.
Speaker 14: Well, it's classic lefty I mean, I don't think anyone
Speaker 14: in the Labor government possibly could conceive of a second
Speaker 14: Trump presidency because they like the rest of the left
Speaker 14: wing media were probably so captured in the Trump derangement
Speaker 14: syndrome that they thought no way could Trump ever get elected,
Speaker 14: So probably didn't even cross their mind that they would
Speaker 14: ever be put into this situation. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 14: to Holly's point, where was defat in all of this?
Speaker 1: Like, how on? How on anybody? I know?
Speaker 14: And the challenge now, I think we've got to remember
Speaker 14: who Donald Trump is. This is a guy who cut
Speaker 14: his teeth in business. It's all about relationships. It's about respect,
Speaker 14: it's about honor. And when he senses that somebody does
Speaker 14: not share that mutual respect, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 14: go well for Australia. And that is a terrible outcome
Speaker 14: because we know Trump is talking about tariffs on all
Speaker 14: imports to the US, and so we need to be
Speaker 14: in a strong position as a country to fight for
Speaker 14: Australia's interests, which is one to keep orcas, to keep
Speaker 14: our deep military ties, but also to keep our strong
Speaker 14: economic and trade relations going. When we have an ambassador
Speaker 14: who has pissed off the president on day one, don't
Speaker 14: know how that's going to go.
Speaker 1: No, this is a thing, But I also wonder what
Speaker 1: is this a reflection though, on Anthony Albanesi, because these
Speaker 1: tweets were all they were in the Twitter sphere, they
Speaker 1: were all online, they were there for the world to
Speaker 1: see before Anthony Albansi parachuted Kevin Rudd into this role.
Speaker 1: So you've got to ask yourself, what on earth is
Speaker 1: Anthony Albanesi doing? What was he thinking?
Speaker 13: Well, they were there last week when all the polls
Speaker 13: were indicating it was likely to be a Trump whitt
Speaker 13: So what point was someone going to say, Hey, not
Speaker 13: quite sure this is the best thing to have up
Speaker 13: on your Twitter feet. But the fact that there is
Speaker 13: so much stuff out there, and you know, as a parent,
Speaker 13: I know we always tell our kids, once it's on
Speaker 13: the internet, it's always there's a lesson for you, keV. Yes,
Speaker 13: once it's on the internet, it's always on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 13: And this is I think going to be an ongoing
Speaker 13: problem for Rudd. But Albanesi's arrogance when he said today
Speaker 13: you know he's off to South America. We know he
Speaker 13: doesn't sit in economy. He's taking his own playing to
Speaker 13: South America. But he has to be smug or well
Speaker 13: it's actually not on the way. When it was suggested
Speaker 13: he call in and have a meeting with President elect Trump.
Speaker 1: You know, it's I've find extraordinary pray that he's not.
Speaker 1: He's going all the way there. Why wouldn't you just
Speaker 1: pop into marri Lago, say let's build our relationship, let's
Speaker 1: work on this.
Speaker 14: I mean, he's probably nervous that Trump won't take the meeting. Yeah,
Speaker 14: let's be real at this point.
Speaker 1: I mean, why would he.
Speaker 14: This guy has four years to turn around the US
Speaker 14: that has suffered under four years of Democrat neglect. You
Speaker 14: think he's really going to give an hour, even thirty
Speaker 14: minutes to some guy from Australia who's already pissed him off.
Speaker 1: Like, no, No, it's just not how it works.
Speaker 14: You have to show respect and if you don't, well
Speaker 14: you will pay for that. And unfortunately Australia is going
Speaker 14: to pay for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. And you know to your point as well,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump didn't get this successful for no reason. This
Speaker 1: man is a professional businessman. He knows how to foster relationship.
Speaker 1: So I do totally agree. But look, let's move on.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the foreign nationals
Speaker 1: that are found in the Northern Territory today. Peter Dutton
Speaker 1: seized on it, saying, labor have left our borders insecure.
Speaker 4: Have a look, this is now the twenty third boat
Speaker 4: arrival and it's another one that's been undetected. Our borders
Speaker 4: are not secure under the urban ezy government. How can
Speaker 4: a boat make it to the mainland without any detection whatsoever.
Speaker 4: I think it's clear that the Prime Minister should have
Speaker 4: been honest with the Australian people today when he addressed
Speaker 4: the media. He should have provided advice. Instead, he got
Speaker 4: up and mentioned nothing about it, which I think goes
Speaker 4: to show that the Prime Minister is not being honest
Speaker 4: in relation to this debate, and it demonstrates the fact
Speaker 4: that the government is seen as weak, not just by
Speaker 4: Australians but by people smugglers as well.
Speaker 12: Well.
Speaker 1: Holly, we know last time this happened the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: was asked about it at a press conference. He said,
Speaker 1: I've been in the car, or I've bitten a played
Speaker 1: He's always to take a phone. I couldn't take the
Speaker 1: phone calls. I've been up in the air or something.
Speaker 1: But I mean, what does this suggest another four arriving
Speaker 1: on our shores detected? Should we be concerned?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 13: I think the fact that the boats are getting to
Speaker 13: Australia without any detection whatsoever, and this is reflective of
Speaker 13: the fact that labor does not prioritize the border floors.
Speaker 13: It doesn't prioritize actually investing in national security and border security.
Speaker 13: But the reality is there are less boats than we
Speaker 13: had under the Rudd Gillard years. But I think that's
Speaker 13: because this government's so willing to just give everyone a visa.
Speaker 13: It's probably smarter for them and probably cheaper to just
Speaker 13: come in the front.
Speaker 5: Door and they're just flying in.
Speaker 13: Nowadays they've only got to get a student visa and
Speaker 13: the Albanezy government can't wait to provide them with housing, welfare,
Speaker 13: pseudo education, welcome come in. But I think it is
Speaker 13: frightening that we're seeing those people smugglers are starting to
Speaker 13: push the boundaries again, and that so many boats are
Speaker 13: making it through without any form of detection.
Speaker 5: Because it might.
Speaker 13: Be people they're putting in it like we've seen today.
Speaker 13: We don't know what else is coming in in boats
Speaker 13: that haven't been detected, and I think this is what
Speaker 13: we always need to be mindful of.
Speaker 1: Well, this has always been a weak spot for labor,
Speaker 1: hasn't it Freyer. You know, they put Andrew Giles in
Speaker 1: initially a guy who represented asylum seekers on the Tampa
Speaker 1: put him into some sort of weird experiment here, put
Speaker 1: him in the immigration so that went really well. They've
Speaker 1: now handed it to Tony Burke. But is history repeating
Speaker 1: itself here or are they just testing the resolve of
Speaker 1: Labor head of the next federal election.
Speaker 14: I mean, I definitely think there would be people smugglers
Speaker 14: looking at Australia going how weak is this government really?
Speaker 14: What can we actually get away with here? But I
Speaker 14: think Labor knows that if borders become a serious issue
Speaker 14: at the next election. Immigration is already an issue that
Speaker 14: people care about, but if border security and national sovereignty
Speaker 14: becomes an issue, they will get absolutely annihilated. So they're
Speaker 14: smart enough to know they have to nip this in
Speaker 14: the butt quickly. But I mean, I think the damage
Speaker 14: has already been done and it does certainly feel like
Speaker 14: over the last two years, whenever Labor has touched immigration,
Speaker 14: things have ended up incomplete chaos. I mean, this is
Speaker 14: coming off the back of the two hundred and sixteen
Speaker 14: violent foreign criminals who've been released into the community too.
Speaker 5: We're not allowed to monitor anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thanks.
Speaker 14: I mean twelve murderers, sixty six sex offenders, and now
Speaker 14: they're reoffending as well. Like we're not just talking about oh,
Speaker 14: you know, a couple people whatever. No, No, this is
Speaker 14: big and this is bad for Australians. So I think
Speaker 14: LABEL would be very very concerned right now about where
Speaker 14: all this immigration stuff is headed.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's a good point because they don't have
Speaker 1: to have their ankle monitors any more. Wholly is that
Speaker 1: is that the case here? Now's there's no ankle monitors,
Speaker 1: it's fine, hopefully hope for all the best that there's
Speaker 1: no control.
Speaker 13: Well, I mean we were in Canberra last week when
Speaker 13: this High Court decision came down.
Speaker 5: Yet again this government has been caught flat footed.
Speaker 13: Earlier in the week, I was doing a show with
Speaker 13: Matt this way, He's like, oh, we put things up,
Speaker 13: there's things there hasn't gone through the Parliament. The Senate
Speaker 13: was there for estimates. So I'm sure in an issue
Speaker 13: as important as this that they would have had to
Speaker 13: bipartisan support had they needed to put in new legislation quickly.
Speaker 5: The Senate.
Speaker 13: I know I'm a senator, but I'm also not the
Speaker 13: clerk of the Senate. Yeah, I'm not going to guess
Speaker 13: what the process is, but we were all there, so
Speaker 13: there's no reason legislation couldn't have gone in to rectify this.
Speaker 13: And yet again they've just been caught. I don't know
Speaker 13: whether they're napping.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've been napping for two years.
Speaker 5: What they're doing. I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 13: They haven't had a high court decision go their way,
Speaker 13: and they keep saying they've got contingency plans.
Speaker 5: But we don't crickets seed them crickets.
Speaker 1: No, we never do. Now, let's move on. There's a
Speaker 1: fun story in The Australian Today. Roger Cook has sought
Speaker 1: legal advice on delaying the WA election because it's going
Speaker 1: to avoid an anti incumbent wave hitting him before Anthony Alberinezi.
Speaker 1: Ive been growing concerns that whoever goes to the polls
Speaker 1: first risks a backlash over the Prime minister's waning popularity,
Speaker 1: but Easy was very quick to water it down today.
Speaker 10: I'll be campaigning for him, it must be said, and
Speaker 10: I'll be there next month with Roger there at the
Speaker 10: opening of a new rail line. Look the speculation around
Speaker 10: elections is something that has been I've read in the
Speaker 10: August pages of our national National tabloid the date was
Speaker 10: going to be August thirty, and then it was September,
Speaker 10: then it's December seventh. What I've been focused on is governing.
Speaker 1: What what was he saying? And clearly Roger Cook doesn't
Speaker 1: want to take the blame for an angry electorate. Oh
Speaker 1: actually we don't have that. Look, I want to say Freyer.
Speaker 1: You know, firstly, I don't think that anybody would want
Speaker 1: Albow campaigning for them the way that he's that he's going.
Speaker 1: So I don't blame Roger Cook for going what are
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 5: These people are deluded?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're so deluded. I mean that you'd worry. I mean,
Speaker 1: Western Australia is a labor state right now, but you
Speaker 1: wouldn't want Elbow out there, surely. I mean.
Speaker 14: Labours fall from grace over the last three years has
Speaker 14: been truly remarkable. The Liberals in WA were reduced to
Speaker 14: two seats at the last WA election, two seats out
Speaker 14: of forty nine or something or Labor.
Speaker 1: Fifty nine fifty nine.
Speaker 5: Labour's got fifty three out of fifty nine.
Speaker 14: And now they are so disappointed, so disturbed at the
Speaker 14: direction of labor. Even though they have the most overwhelming
Speaker 14: majority in the WA Parliament, they still need to look
Speaker 14: at any possible options to detach the State WA labor
Speaker 14: brand from federal labor. And that is spectacular. It's also
Speaker 14: spectacular when you consider Albo personally. The way the polls
Speaker 14: and the public have turned against him as a leader
Speaker 14: is incredible. He had one of the longest honeymoon periods
Speaker 14: of any prime minister in modern history, and then the
Speaker 14: voice happened and that was really the beginning of the
Speaker 14: end and since then it has just been one long
Speaker 14: downward spiral. So yeah, labor around the country should be
Speaker 14: extremely nervous.
Speaker 1: And I remember the last West Australian election. It was
Speaker 1: during the COVID period, so you had Mark McGowan dy
Speaker 1: Daddy State Daddy. Actually makes me sick that I don't
Speaker 1: like that line, but there's something very wrong with State Daddy.
Speaker 1: But you know, I remember that they didn't even want
Speaker 1: any federal labor support. They didn't need it because Mark
Speaker 1: mcgowillan was writing high on this popularity. But you wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to get elbow out there now, Holly it would
Speaker 1: be a disaster for the brand.
Speaker 13: Look, it would be and WA has not traditionally been
Speaker 13: a stronghold federally for the Labor Party. But I think
Speaker 13: it's everyone's got to be really careful though, because whilst
Speaker 13: people are hurting the cost of living pressures, energy prices,
Speaker 13: there's a lot of pain in the electorate. We've got
Speaker 13: to be careful that we're not preempting that the bats
Speaker 13: are coming out.
Speaker 5: The thing that Albow is.
Speaker 13: The master of is making people feel like, oh, you know,
Speaker 13: but he's trying so hard.
Speaker 5: He's still a good guy.
Speaker 1: You know, but this only takes him so far.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I just think we've got to be careful.
Speaker 13: Australians are very reluctant to vote out of first term
Speaker 13: government and I think no.
Speaker 5: One really should get too carried away.
Speaker 13: That's just my word of warning that you know that
Speaker 13: there's going to be this sweeping revolt against Elbow because
Speaker 13: there is still a lot of people, Oh, he's just
Speaker 13: a houso that's done good, you know.
Speaker 5: And look he's doing everything again.
Speaker 13: Don't get me wrong to diminish that, but you know,
Speaker 13: we just need to make sure that we're not setting
Speaker 13: it up with too high an expectation, because it is still.
Speaker 5: Going to be an almighty five.
Speaker 13: And that is why every Australian if they want to
Speaker 13: change the government, they've got to vote for the coalition government,
Speaker 13: because if they start to vote for a Teal or
Speaker 13: flirt with an independent or the Greens, they're going to
Speaker 13: end up with elbow marked.
Speaker 1: But I wonder why then, if if the WA election
Speaker 1: is slated for March, well, why would albou want to
Speaker 1: get this done early? Why would you want to go
Speaker 1: in as quickly as possible do you think? I mean,
Speaker 1: he could go up until May, but if you were
Speaker 1: looking to do it earlier, why the benefit of that.
Speaker 13: I don't think they want to put their climate targets out.
Speaker 13: I don't think they want to put the budget with
Speaker 13: ten years of ten deficits ahead of it. I think
Speaker 13: there's so much bad news coming. I don't think they
Speaker 13: want to wait for that to actually roll out. And
Speaker 13: that's the danger. I think they are hoping for a
Speaker 13: hail Mary with a rate cut. We just don't know
Speaker 13: that's going to happen. Well, that's the thing economists say
Speaker 13: that it's very unlikely. Think about economists. If you put
Speaker 13: three economists in a room, you're going to get five opinions.
Speaker 13: And this is the problem. No one knows where it's
Speaker 13: going to land. They are desperately hoping for a rate cut,
Speaker 13: so I just can't see them waiting for a budget
Speaker 13: and climate change right.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we'll wait and say And look, we mentioned
Speaker 1: the Greens before because Labor is not the only party
Speaker 1: on the nose with voters. Because a resolved political monitor
Speaker 1: in the in Morning Herald shows that the Greens net
Speaker 1: likability rating has fallen from negative one at the last
Speaker 1: election to negative nineteen. Who would have thought? What a revelation,
Speaker 1: and that Adam Band is tied for the third most
Speaker 1: unliked politician behind Lydia Thorpe and Pauline Hansen Freyer. Are
Speaker 1: we shocked here? Are we stunned that the Greens are
Speaker 1: not likable? For goodness?
Speaker 14: So so surprised that a far left, extremist, terrorst supporting party
Speaker 14: could possibly be rejected by the Australian public.
Speaker 1: I mean, who would have thought?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 14: I mean, in all seriousness, I'm so glad. I'm so
Speaker 14: glad that people are waking up to the true nature
Speaker 14: of the Greens. And I think what we've seen in
Speaker 14: terms of issues that matter to people. Climate change used
Speaker 14: to be a top three issue around the country in
Speaker 14: every single electric pretty much everyone. Now it's like top fifteen.
Speaker 14: The things that are top three are the economy, migration, security,
Speaker 14: that sort of stuff. When the Greens are forced to
Speaker 14: talk about that, people freak out, and rightfully so, because
Speaker 14: they are a crazy socialist, far left party that's determined
Speaker 14: to destroy Australia. And so I think the more they
Speaker 14: talk about things other than saving koalas and building solar panels,
Speaker 14: the better it is because Australians start to realize the
Speaker 14: true nature of them.
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree, and we've seen it in recent elections
Speaker 1: as well. In Queensland, the Greens didn't do well in
Speaker 1: the Act, which is a very heavy labor greene state.
Speaker 1: They didn't do well there. People finally realizing that this
Speaker 1: party's dangerous. I hope.
Speaker 13: So yeah, because you know, when you look at what
Speaker 13: Bob Brown's Greens were, they were environmentalists. They were actually
Speaker 13: you know, he saved the der Went. They were you know,
Speaker 13: Franklin Dam. They were actually about the trees.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 13: I used to work for Senator Bill Heffernan, and you
Speaker 13: know Bill was a bit of a bugger at the
Speaker 13: best of times, but he used to take their how
Speaker 13: to votes down at town Holland walk around going free drugs.
Speaker 5: Few kids, free drugs, few kids. But that was Green's policy.
Speaker 13: But unfortunately, you know, free drugs for your kids isn't
Speaker 13: their most extreme policy anymore. They've really moved away from
Speaker 13: the type of members and senators. They used to have
Speaker 13: two activists their undergraduate We know there's been claims of
Speaker 13: bulling and they don't do anything about it. I really
Speaker 13: do hope the Australian electorate is waking up that this
Speaker 13: is a party of extremists. Who was fre Uhid rightly?
Speaker 13: You know, they support terrorist organizations. They do not support Australia.
Speaker 13: They do not support Australians. They would have us living
Speaker 13: in trees. You know, we have a great time in
Speaker 13: the Senate because one of the Green senator actually knocked
Speaker 13: over a Kohala habitats, that a couple of investment properties.
Speaker 13: It just gets better and better and better. But yeah,
Speaker 13: it's but this.
Speaker 1: This is they're not what they used to be. But
Speaker 1: they're not they're not yet. The Bob Brown days were
Speaker 1: absolutely gone. But look it is good to say that
Speaker 1: perhaps people are realizing that this is not a pro
Speaker 1: Australia partner, this is a pro gaza, pro extreme party
Speaker 1: and hope communism is so totally absolutely agree. Let's move
Speaker 1: on now to misinformation, because of course the bill passed
Speaker 1: the Lower House last week. Now, Holly, you and your
Speaker 1: Senate colleagues have a real chance of actually sinking this
Speaker 1: awful legislation. But I want to show you this from
Speaker 1: the constitutional law expert and to me who I thought
Speaker 1: really nailed it on the Kenny Report this evening. Have
Speaker 1: I listened to this?
Speaker 11: If you look in that explanatory memorandum, not on the
Speaker 11: words of the bill, but in the explanatory memorandum, it says, well,
Speaker 11: we're not just dealing with facts here, We're dealing with
Speaker 11: opinions and commentary and claims and invective. You think, well,
Speaker 11: how do you decide that an opinion.
Speaker 1: Is true or false?
Speaker 11: And how does Google or meter or someone in the
Speaker 11: United States do that?
Speaker 1: Freya, this is the exact problem. Are we going to
Speaker 1: have a Canber bureaucrat sitting somewhere in a shiny office
Speaker 1: saying that's misinformation, that is wrong, and suddenly you hold
Speaker 1: in front of a tribune or you're hold in front
Speaker 1: of the courts because of what you've put online.
Speaker 14: It is genuinely nuts. And this is the thing with
Speaker 14: a new misinformation bill, Labour tries to go, oh, it's
Speaker 14: not going to be the Canber bureaucrats deciding what is misinformation.
Speaker 14: We're going to leave that up to the social media
Speaker 14: companies to decide. But if you go this is the
Speaker 14: iron If you go on too Meta's website, if you
Speaker 14: go onto the fact checking section, they literally say, we,
Speaker 14: as a private company, do not believe it's our job
Speaker 14: to check to do fact checking. So that's why we
Speaker 14: have third party fact checkers that are registered with Meta,
Speaker 14: and so their stuff will appear below posts fact checking.
Speaker 1: Go to some of these fact checkers.
Speaker 14: Check out the RMIT fact lab that was de registered
Speaker 14: from Meta after it was exposed that the guy policing
Speaker 14: misinformation around the Voice to Parliament was actually posting pro
Speaker 14: Voice to Parliament stuff on social media.
Speaker 1: This is the problem.
Speaker 14: Who on earth decides what is and isn't true? There
Speaker 14: is no way you can ever get around this. Do
Speaker 14: you want politicians no? Do you want bureaucrats no? Do
Speaker 14: the social media companies want to do it, No, they
Speaker 14: outsw was it to fact checkers?
Speaker 1: Do we trust them? Absolutely?
Speaker 11: This is the thing.
Speaker 14: How do we actually get to truth? You need conflicting opinions,
Speaker 14: You need hypotheses that you test, that you attack, you interrogate,
Speaker 14: and then over time truth will emerge. That's basic epistemology,
Speaker 14: the philosophy of knowledge. But when you have a government
Speaker 14: or a bureaucracy or anyone silencing opposing opinions, you actually
Speaker 14: never get to the truth. And many of the things
Speaker 14: that today we now accept as truth, especially during COVID
Speaker 14: three years ago, you're called misinformation. And so we have
Speaker 14: to be extremely careful. If we start to attack people's
Speaker 14: freedom of speech, every other freedom will fall.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think, well put and you're right. I mean
Speaker 1: the politicians, the same politicians who told us that if
Speaker 1: we would go outside during COVID for half an hour,
Speaker 1: you're going to get COVID.
Speaker 13: So if you went more than ten pilometers from your house, correct,
Speaker 13: it go on a swift if it's over.
Speaker 1: If you started a drink.
Speaker 13: Sitting down, you were okay, had a drink standing up,
Speaker 13: you were going to get COVID.
Speaker 1: Now this is a thing. Help holy how will this
Speaker 1: actually work? In your view?
Speaker 13: I've actually been just sitting here while Frey was talking,
Speaker 13: trying to think of what if we all already said
Speaker 13: tonight that would have been hauled before a tribunal as
Speaker 13: missing for everything? Probably everything they are just this is
Speaker 13: really dangerous. Yes, of course the Greens are supporting it.
Speaker 13: It's almost Handmaid's tail, you know, put you on the
Speaker 13: wall if you don't agree with them. It's frightening stuff
Speaker 13: that they're trying to push through. It's really going to
Speaker 13: We're definitely opposing it. It's going to be up to
Speaker 13: the cross Bench and what they do, because the Greens
Speaker 13: have said they were support.
Speaker 1: It, but luck with that that's the problem.
Speaker 13: Well, but the thing is, you know, if the Greens
Speaker 13: and Labor, they need three others to come aboard with them.
Speaker 13: So what's Payman going to do, What's Popot going to do,
Speaker 13: What's Lambi going to do? I'm pretty sure we know
Speaker 13: Pauline and Malcolm Robert and Ralph Babbitt will oppose it,
Speaker 13: but what is everybody else going to do?
Speaker 5: As that just as running David van cross.
Speaker 1: Bench there, it just reminds me almost of the hate
Speaker 1: speech laws in the UK and they've got a hotline
Speaker 1: one eight hundred hate speech and suddenly everyone's dopping everybody in.
Speaker 1: Are we going to get to that? Is this what
Speaker 1: is going to happen in this country? It's going to
Speaker 1: be ridiculous. Holy Hughes Fraileg. Great to have you both
Speaker 1: on on our Ladies' Night tonight. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me on the show. Well stay with us.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to this one after the break.
Speaker 1: Federal employees in the US have said they're feeling PTSD
Speaker 1: after Donald Trump's win. Stick around that's next. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Paul Murray Live, Danikiti Georgio here in the man
Speaker 1: Cave again. Paul, as we know, he's been really living
Speaker 1: it up in the US, but he is excited to
Speaker 1: come back to Australia for the next Our Town, which
Speaker 1: is going to be held in Bendigo on Sunday, the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth of November. So if you want to be
Speaker 1: in the crowd, please register for tickets at Our Town
Speaker 1: at sky News dot com dot au. It's going to
Speaker 1: be excellent. All right, let's continue the debate now. Joining
Speaker 1: me is PR Council's Christy McSweeney and libertarian commentator Kristin Abraham.
Speaker 1: Hi to you both. Great to have you on. You
Speaker 1: know this was non intentional, but I just say to
Speaker 1: have Lady's Night for two panels in a row tonight.
Speaker 1: But here we are, and quite frankly, I think it's
Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic. But look, let's get right into it. I
Speaker 1: want to start with crypto. And the reason why we're
Speaker 1: starting with this tonight is that there are calls for
Speaker 1: labor to renew their support for crypto currency after Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's historic election win. It's actually been reported that the
Speaker 1: crypto industry spent two hundred million dollars in the US election,
Speaker 1: while one of Trump's biggest allies, Elon Musk, is also
Speaker 1: a strong supporter of crypto, and we know, I feel
Speaker 1: like Elon Musk is the winner really out of this
Speaker 1: whole election campaign. But Christy McSweeney will start with you.
Speaker 1: Investors seem to be quite boyd at the moment. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you think that christo crypto needs
Speaker 1: to be regulated here in Australia.
Speaker 3: Look, yes, a lot of people are looking at the
Speaker 3: impact of crypto and crypto bros in the US following
Speaker 3: the election, and I can see why some of our
Speaker 3: politicians in Australia from the Coalition at the moment wanting
Speaker 3: to jump on that train to get off the back
Speaker 3: of that press and that momentum. Cryptocurrency in Australia is
Speaker 3: already regulated. The ATO considers it an asset for the
Speaker 3: transfer of property's subject to capital gains tax. But what's
Speaker 3: not regulated is a whole raft of other stuff around crypto,
Speaker 3: including its integration in digital platforms. And if you asked
Speaker 3: for too much regulation, you're going to see crypto fall
Speaker 3: into the online gambling reforms and the social media bands.
Speaker 1: So if you want it just be a little bit quiet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a really, really good point. And it's
Speaker 1: interesting in the US because Trump was once a bitcoin skeptic,
Speaker 1: as saying it was quote based on thin air, but
Speaker 1: he's now fully embracing it. Joe Biden, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: he sought to reign in crypto. Kristin Abraham, what do
Speaker 1: you think do you think that Christy is right there
Speaker 1: just stay quiet or do you think it should go
Speaker 1: in the other direction.
Speaker 15: Absolutely, I think we should stay quiet. Just on Trump.
Speaker 15: He attended a bitcoin conference in Nashville in July and
Speaker 15: I'm assuming that's because he understands that bitcoin can kind
Speaker 15: of give you all the crypto can give you financial freedom,
Speaker 15: which is part of the American dream. And I'm shocked
Speaker 15: that the coalition thinks it's a good idea to push
Speaker 15: the labor government to do anything, because the labor government
Speaker 15: will just continue to tax it. So we already have
Speaker 15: capital gains tax on it, like Christy said, which I
Speaker 15: personally don't think that we should have on it at all.
Speaker 15: But no, leave don't let the government touch it because
Speaker 15: we'll overregulate it, just like everything else and it will
Speaker 15: eventually fall apart. And Ela Musk is not just the
Speaker 15: only winner from the crypto boom that's happened since Trump
Speaker 15: has been elected. I have a tiny portion of bitcoin
Speaker 15: as well.
Speaker 1: So there you go, so you understand it, but you
Speaker 1: know it's true. It's true because we don't want to
Speaker 1: get to a point where it's become red tape like
Speaker 1: everything else in this country and suddenly it's just absolutely
Speaker 1: tying itself in. Not so I totally agree there. And
Speaker 1: looks let's stick with the US where federal employees, well,
Speaker 1: they're reportedly on edge apparently because Donald Trump and his
Speaker 1: team are preparing to gut the government. Trump is set
Speaker 1: to enact an executive order known as Schedule F, which
Speaker 1: will give him the power to commit mass firings of
Speaker 1: employees who stand in the way of his vision as president. Now,
Speaker 1: this is what he had to say last week on
Speaker 1: the matter.
Speaker 7: First, I will immediately reissue my twenty twenty executive order
Speaker 7: restoring the president's authority to remove rogue bureaucrats. I will
Speaker 7: wield that power very aggressively. The departments and agencies that
Speaker 7: have been weaponized will be completely overhauled, so that faceless
Speaker 7: bureaucrats will never again be able to target and persecute Conservatives,
Speaker 7: Christians or the left's political enemies, which they're doing now
Speaker 7: at a level that nobody can believe even possible.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's absolutely fantastic. Christy mcsweetey. I don't
Speaker 1: understand why people are up in arms about this. In
Speaker 1: the end, if you're a boss of an organization anywhere,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to just be government, right, You're allowed
Speaker 1: to make changes. You're allowed to say I'm in charge.
Speaker 1: Here is what I'm going to do to make this company,
Speaker 1: make this organization the best it can be. And if
Speaker 1: you don't like it, off you go. That's just what
Speaker 1: I think about it. Do you think these bureaucrats should
Speaker 1: be worried?
Speaker 3: What is this schedule if?
Speaker 1: And how can we bring it here to Melbolle?
Speaker 3: Look, I think that.
Speaker 1: There have been many a leader. Let's face it.
Speaker 3: I've worked inside the government, both at a state and
Speaker 3: federal level for over twenty years. It is a real
Speaker 3: thing public servants running their own agenda against the government
Speaker 3: of the day, just like it's a real thing of
Speaker 3: public servants who see it's their civic duty and their
Speaker 3: call of profession to enact the legislation of the government
Speaker 3: of the day. But we saw here in Australia following
Speaker 3: the Voice remember Queensland, public servers were asking perhaps could
Speaker 3: they have additional leave to get over the result, we
Speaker 3: have the Public Service Code here in Australia which means
Speaker 3: you enact the democratic will of the people of the
Speaker 3: government of the day. And really, I think that sentiment
Speaker 3: carries on across all elected democratic governments, doesn't it. You're
Speaker 3: there to serve the executive agenda, that's your job.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you are there to serve the people. So you
Speaker 1: know all this palava that comes with it is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Christin Abraham, Yes you're in Melbourne as well. Be fantastic
Speaker 1: if you had this schedule left in the government in
Speaker 1: Victoria right now, putting in these executive orders to get
Speaker 1: rid of all the dead weight.
Speaker 15: Oh absolutely. And look, Victoria is a perfect example of
Speaker 15: dead weight in our public service. So and that's the
Speaker 15: reason why we continue to elect a rubbish labor government,
Speaker 15: because the public servants here like their cushy public servants
Speaker 15: jobs and they're waiting for their severance package which will
Speaker 15: set them up for their retirement, unlike the rest of
Speaker 15: us that work in the private sector. But no wonder
Speaker 15: the people in America, the public servants in America have PTSD.
Speaker 15: Their government has convinced them that they're in a war
Speaker 15: with democracy if Trump got elected. So it's no wonder
Speaker 15: that they're feeling like this. But I read to see
Speaker 15: in an article today and they framed it as Trump's
Speaker 15: doing mass firings so he can appoint Trump loyalists. But
Speaker 15: in actual fact it's mass firings to a point no one.
Speaker 15: So I say, drain the swamp over there, and then
Speaker 15: come here and let's drain the swamp in Victoria too.
Speaker 3: I just gonna make a point, are they Yeah, are
Speaker 3: they actually Trump loyalists or are they just highly qualified
Speaker 3: public servants who happen to identify as Republican that have
Speaker 3: been framed as Trump loyalists.
Speaker 1: In the media.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of that that goes on too.
Speaker 15: They don't let the truth get in the way of
Speaker 15: a good story, though, Christy. That's what they're doing in America,
Speaker 15: aren't they.
Speaker 1: Absolutely no. Look, please come here, please come to Australia
Speaker 1: and drain this swamp, drain these labor governments, because this
Speaker 1: is exactly what we need down under as well. Now look,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you both, but one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things from this US election result has been the
Speaker 1: blame game that's taking place in the Democratic Party. They're broken.
Speaker 1: I mean, they are literally falling over themselves. But this
Speaker 1: time it's been from longtime Democratic st to just James Carville.
Speaker 1: Have a listened to what he said.
Speaker 9: Have no legislative power, we have no executive power, we
Speaker 9: have no judicial power. So when you out of power,
Speaker 9: you are an opposition party, and go and tell all
Speaker 9: of the people that are sending you and asking you
Speaker 9: for money, justify what you did. Justify what you did
Speaker 9: wrong and tell us what you're going to do different
Speaker 9: because what you've.
Speaker 12: Done a worth Get your head around that. In all
Speaker 12: of the Washington based Democrats farting around going to wine
Speaker 12: and cheese parties and talking about how misogy initiagation to
Speaker 12: get yours out of Washington and go work on a
Speaker 12: twenty twenty six campaign and do penance to make up
Speaker 12: for your goddamn arrogance and stupidity.
Speaker 9: Well, we're going to say we told you so. We
Speaker 9: told you this identity was disaster. We told you to
Speaker 9: get out in front of public safety issues. You didn't.
Speaker 9: We told you to have an open process and demonstrate
Speaker 9: the magnificent and staggering and deep talent that exists in
Speaker 9: the mind Democrat party. You didn't.
Speaker 12: We told you to differentiate yourself and buying you didn't.
Speaker 12: I hate to be know it all, but all of
Speaker 12: these things are part of the record.
Speaker 1: Oh hello, where were you? Where were you this whole campaign?
Speaker 1: Christy mcsweetey, he is absolutely spot on.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot more where that came from. I
Speaker 3: think Danka, interestingly, that is very different assessment to what
Speaker 3: I heard from Nancy Pelosi, who if you're interested, gave
Speaker 3: the groundbreaking Democrat assessment this week to The New York
Speaker 3: Times and across their podcast, The Daily. She was very
Speaker 3: deft at continuing to answer every question about where they
Speaker 3: went wrong, saying, no, it's a great result in some areas.
Speaker 3: We're going to pick up seats in the House in
Speaker 3: New York's, which of course is a Democrat area. Anyway,
Speaker 3: she did say and was forced to admit that maybe
Speaker 3: if Kamala was tested in a primary, which Americans take really,
Speaker 3: really seriously, instead of being handed a job by an
Speaker 3: old guy who held on too long, supported by a
Speaker 3: bunch of other old guys to protect, maybe some young
Speaker 3: guy who they didn't want a wister's talent, and then
Speaker 3: actually performed at a level of which demonstrated to the
Speaker 3: American public she could do the job. She would have
Speaker 3: been Okay, so many own goals of the Democrats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is this the same Nancy Pelosi who wanted Joe
Speaker 1: Biden on Mount Rushmore? Yes, that would be the exact
Speaker 1: same mart Nancy. That the same one. Kristin Abraham, what
Speaker 1: do you think I mean that I thought that was
Speaker 1: a fair and very accurate assessment, because the Dems are
Speaker 1: tearing themselves apart, but they only need to look at themselves.
Speaker 15: Absolutely, this case should come here and coach the opposition
Speaker 15: and the current government. He should be a footy coach
Speaker 15: or something like he's amazing.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 15: I can only hope that Australia follows in suit, because
Speaker 15: I hope Australia sees that Labor and the Coalition is
Speaker 15: two sides of the same Democratic party. Coin we have
Speaker 15: the voice, we have an opposition that's trying right now
Speaker 15: to push through a draconian and orwellian attack on free
Speaker 15: speech with the Misinformation Bill, and then we have a
Speaker 15: Trojan Horse bill for the under sixteen Social Media Band,
Speaker 15: which is actually for digital identity. I hope that the
Speaker 15: Australian public understand what's happened in America and does the
Speaker 15: same thing, because I feel so hopeless at the moment.
Speaker 15: I'm considering doing a Ladier diver down Burke Street in
Speaker 15: Melbourne because it's getting that bad.
Speaker 1: Well, make sure you tell us if you do that,
Speaker 1: because I said, the camera's there, we need to see
Speaker 1: that live and local. Christ and Am stay right there.
Speaker 1: We're going to come back to you. We're going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break and coming up. Airbus Elbow has
Speaker 1: been pushed to meet with US President elect Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: but will he actually go. We'll discuss that next Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Paul Murray Live with Me, Danikiti Giorgio and
Speaker 1: we are still joined by Christy mcsweetey from the PR
Speaker 1: Council and libertarian commentator Kristin Abraham. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: into our next topic now. The opposition is calling for
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister Anthony Albersi to really get on the
Speaker 1: front foot with the US President elected Donald Trump, especially
Speaker 1: given he is actually going to South America, So why
Speaker 1: not go to Marri Lago, I say, But the Shadow
Speaker 1: Foreign Minister, Simon Birmingham is called on the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: to make this a priority. Here he was today, Anthony
Speaker 1: Albanizi and Donald Trump had never met.
Speaker 8: Kiss darmand the UK's Prime Minister seized the initiative a
Speaker 8: couple of months ago and while he was in the
Speaker 8: US along with your Endramoti from India, they went and
Speaker 8: saw Donald Trumplin as candidate make sure they were forging
Speaker 8: those relations.
Speaker 16: There's an opportunity here for Anthony alban needy to seek
Speaker 16: that meeting, to do so early and would clearly be
Speaker 16: in Australia's interest for him to show that initiative and
Speaker 16: that drive.
Speaker 1: Christy mcsweety should he go to marri Lago reset the relationship,
Speaker 1: especially off the back of Rudd's commentary, But surely this
Speaker 1: is important to start fostering a good relationship with our
Speaker 1: closest ally.
Speaker 3: Look, I don't think Elbow's ever going to set foot
Speaker 3: on Mari Lago, but I do think he should go
Speaker 3: to Washington or to New York. He's traveling anyway, it's
Speaker 3: not additional.
Speaker 5: Cost to the taxpayer. Of course he should go.
Speaker 3: We've got concerns around our ambassador and we've got such
Speaker 3: a very very strong impetus to deliver orcas to make
Speaker 3: sure the deal goes forward as it was intended, without
Speaker 3: further investment from Australia and further spending concerns. That's really
Speaker 3: really important. Plus, the United States is a major foreign
Speaker 3: direct investor into Australia and a major trading partner for
Speaker 3: US exporting into the US as well as back the
Speaker 3: other way.
Speaker 1: Of course he should go.
Speaker 3: It is one of the most important alliances Australia has.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a thing, and especially after Rud's comments.
Speaker 1: You'd want to just smooth things over, say you know,
Speaker 1: we're still on board, we're still one, we're still together.
Speaker 1: Kristin Abraham, a little short diversion, do you think or
Speaker 1: should you just come back to Australia.
Speaker 15: Absolutely, but I do have news that albo will not
Speaker 15: be going, unfortunately, and that is because he has informed
Speaker 15: me that he will feel inadequate by meeting Trump in person,
Speaker 15: and honestly, Trump would probably laugh at the way he's
Speaker 15: governing his country anyway.
Speaker 5: So look, I think that.
Speaker 15: Peter Dutton should actually take some initiative and go you know,
Speaker 15: Albom's not to meet with Trump, but here I'm going
Speaker 15: to go do it. The silent majority voted in America,
Speaker 15: maybe there's a silent majority in Australia because there's no hope,
Speaker 15: prialber Let's be completely honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to picture this him walking into
Speaker 1: Mari Lago feeling inferior after what what did he say?
Speaker 16: He was?
Speaker 1: He scares the shit out of me, So we know
Speaker 1: already how Olbow feels about this. So yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: I doubt he will ever go there. Great to have
Speaker 1: you both on Christy McSweeney and Kristin Abraham, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining me this evening on the show.
Speaker 1: And that is it from me tonight and this week
Speaker 1: with Paul Murray to return to the man Cave for
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. As I said, I haven't touched it. I'm
Speaker 1: not touching anything around here, but right now it's stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Coming up next on Sky News, it's The Late Debate.
Speaker 1: Good Night,