WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 17 April 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:06.520 Guying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello, wead welcome 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.080 to the show before the long weekend, before another long weekend, 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.640 both of course with incredible importance to Christian Australians this 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.800 weekend and then to all Australians next weekend. Happy Easter. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.319 And of course this time next week I'm going to 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.279 be living a dream because we are going to be 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:23.239 in Western Australia. We will be on our way to 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.040 Calgooley and I want you to join us next Sunday. Okay, 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.880 not this but next Sunday night, the twenty seven in Calgooley. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.479 If you can make it, get yourself there, ourtown. It's 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.680 skynews dot com dot you ourtown at skynews dot com 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.400 dot you love to get into the orange dirt. We 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.479 will do so next weekend, looking forward to it. Sixteen 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:47.040 days until the federal election. Tuesday is when the first 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.839 votes will be cast. In an election where there is 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:52.920 a fork in the road, there is a way to 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.960 continue what we are doing with the problems we've had 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.840 over the past three years, or a chance, as the 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.800 opposition will say, to put the country back on track. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.640 At the other an easy world today again, just basking 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.920 in the terribleness of the performance that he had last 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.240 night at the debate, where negative gearing was back on 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.920 the table, and let me explain how that should work 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.520 for the rest of the election. Today unbelievable. The headline 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.399 is no new spending announcements, but relax, he's made plenty 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:21.200 since January. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.280 A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:30.440 dollars ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars, 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.720 three hundred and fifty million dollars, two billion dollars, thirty 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.880 seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar, 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.839 two point four billion dollars eight point five billion dollar, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.480 four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.640 four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.440 million dollars, one hundred and fifty million dollars, one billion dollars, 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.480 two hundred and forty five million dollars, six million dollars, 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:59.320 three million dollars, ten billion dollars, twenty four million dollars, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.040 nine million dollars, fifteen million dollars. 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.680 As I said on Monday night, that's the show. It's 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.240 time to go. What a list it keeps growing and 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.239 growing and growing old. But our only account since the 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.600 start of the election. No, no, all of those huge 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.280 promises made to change the subject, to change the polls, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.320 it slowly has worked. But all of that spending since 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.640 the start of this year extraordinary and we're on our 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.920 way to one point two tea for trillion dollars debt. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.200 As for the Opposition leader and Peter Dubnin, he was 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.200 focused today. I'm trying to get more kids to use 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.320 the final part of their high schooling. If they want 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.320 to try to marry that in with becoming a trade 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.040 this would be the way to go today. The announcement 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.200 was to put back what of course Coalition governments have 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.680 long believed in, which is specific trade schools, not ones 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:50.519 automatically linked to unions or the education unions. He's the 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.280 announcement made today by I think the Deputy leader as well. 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.280 So our announcement of two hundred and sixty million dollars 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:02.120 for twelve new Australian trade colleges across the country starts 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:06.880 right here in Patterson today. This once in a generational 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.800 form of our schooling system is about bringing excellence in 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.640 skills back into schools now. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.440 As for the media and how they tried to spin 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.519 it for Labor to day, despite the fact that the 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.560 train wreck of a performance the Prime Minister put on 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.320 at the debate last night, where he was proven as 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.919 a liar time and time again when he was trying 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:27.880 to go on the attack. Those were lies as well. 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.480 But of course the majority of the access media, Oh, 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.840 he was great, he was wonderful. He was a dead rubber. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.200 There was nothing to see here. Please, if you saw 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:36.840 it with your own eyes or saw, of course what 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.640 we played you, which was the tapes last night, there 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.720 would be a few more than these type of softballs 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.320 that you'd throw at the Prime Minister today. 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.800 Do you think that Peter Dunn is a climate denier 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.360 based on the debate last night? And also, you know 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.400 there's just over two weeks to go in the campaign, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.880 a lot of public holidays in that time. Are you 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.680 confident that you can score some votes, especially in seats 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:00.240 like this help? 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.880 But levels, why do people underestimate you so much? Given 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:05.680 that you flip the poles in a couple of weeks, 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.440 You're in the lead and your opposition leader has been 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.000 caught seemingly woefully unprepared. She's my last day with you 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.240 on the campaign for a while, so I called that 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.919 you will indulg to the other side. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.479 Believed or not the other side you won't be as happy. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.839 Lut see how that all works. Perfect example about the 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.840 access right, And she was one of the reporters who 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.480 got the little one on one because of course she 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.520 was towing the line. Can you believe this? We are 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.719 two weeks away from either re hiring one of the 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.440 worst governments we've ever had or changing to a new one. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.160 The tough questions should be for both sides all the time. 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.240 They should be about the flaws in their ideas. Instead 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.800 it's just about could you please say something terrible about 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.560 the bad guy? I need it for my story. But no, 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.159 the tough questions well, they of course were all for 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.640 Peter dunn't despite the fact in the debate last night, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.040 to the ratings more than a million people ended up 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.360 seeing plenty more on socials as well. So that's why 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.800 it's worth I think noting how good Peter Dutton was 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:09.520 last night. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.920 Now, yesterday's the bit you said you don't know President 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.640 Donald Trump. How would you get that deal if you 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:16.360 don't even know the guy? 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.640 You're not a dentist or an engineer. But I suspect 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.960 that you'd take their advice on their subjective expertise. But 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.840 last night, when you were asked about climate scientists, you 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.120 said you accepted climate change was happening, but you couldn't 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.919 bring yourself to say that you trusted climate scientists. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.880 How do you plan to bring in more trades and 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.680 jobs when you refuse to back policies and incentives like 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:36.159 free tay. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.200 You haven't visited any potential nuclear science including the one 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.000 here at Ladell just an hour away. You recently said 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.200 that town is dead, which caused quite an upset. They're 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.840 also concerned about earthquakes. It's not a very good look 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.920 a nuclear plant built somewhere where there are dozens of 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.680 earthquakes and just the last year alone. When are you 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.360 going to visit them in person to allay their concerns? 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.719 Honestly, why do they underestimate you earthquakes a nuclear plant. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:09.360 That's the difference. It is impossible, based off the questions 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.240 that are asked for the opposition to be able to 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.560 get on the front foot. Now, the reality is you 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.680 don't have to necessarily engage with the question that you ask. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.039 You the answer that you want to give, but of 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.960 course they have no interest in hearing the answer because 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.600 they want to focus on the question. The question. Of course, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.599 that is the gotcha again. I don't mind tough questions, 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.320 but if they are not equally being applied here, then 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.240 obviously we know what is going on now. Elections. They 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.000 are fought in what we can all see on the 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:38.320 nightly news. They can be heard on some of the 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.360 commentary and the radio. You get a bit of a 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.240 skewy view when it comes to social media, because remember, 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.800 the algorithm is feeding you more or less depending on 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:51.000 the things that you already look at. But this weekend 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.040 is an opportunity for you to have conversations with family. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.000 And I'll have more to say about that in a moment, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.880 and more to say about just how brain dead some 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.840 of this stuff is on social media. But as I say, 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:03.920 despite the fact that we showed you last night, how 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.840 in fact can we bring back There's a little collection 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.560 we put together last night of Peter Dutton's best moments 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.600 in the debate. This was impressive stuff. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.240 Let's roll we approached the third of May, many Australians 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.080 will be asking themselves are you better off today? Than 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.760 you were three years ago. People have seen food prices 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.480 go up by thirty percent. Their mortgages have gone up 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.440 on twelve occasions over the last two years. The government's 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.160 brought in a million people, all of whom want homes, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.840 and all of whom are competing against young Australians for 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.040 that rental property or to purchase a home. That's a 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.880 million people, which is seventy percent higher than any two 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.360 year period in our country's history. And to your government 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.320 has modeled negative gearing changes NCGT changes. The Treasurer has 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:48.360 done that. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.840 That's not right. Well, it is a publish service. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:52.680 This Prime Minister has a problem with the truth. And 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.760 it's not just in relation to this debate. There are 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.720 many aspects that you could pick up during the course 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.960 of this campaign. With the Prime Minister constantly telling people 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.760 they're much better off now just defies the reality in 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.960 their own lives. There are thirty thousand small businesses which 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.240 have gone bankrupt over the course of the last three years, 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.040 a record number in our country's history. Over the last 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.600 twelve months, households have been in a recession for seven 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.600 consecutive quarters almost two There's been a threefold increase in 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.520 the expansion of the public service compared to the regular years. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.680 We have the highest per capita rate of public servants 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:25.280 in the world. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.640 And the Prime Minister was stepping on rakes. The hardest 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.680 of which, which hit in right between the eyes, was 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.520 a failure to deliver on his own promise of two 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.680 seventy five dollars off your power bills and an inability 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.959 to answer this question four times. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.959 You and Chris Bowen keep saying that renewables are the 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:44.080 cheapest form of power. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.840 When will we see our power bills come down? 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.240 They are Well, what we know is that renewables are 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.120 the cheapest form of power, not because of what we say, 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.640 but because of what the Australian Energy market operator says. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:57.839 So when do the bills come down? 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:03.360 And what the market is is delivering? See, Peter has 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.840 to have government, state, taxpayer funded. We stick with your 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.040 taxpayer funded, taxpayer funded proposals. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:12.600 What we're dealing with here. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.760 During the former government, twenty four out of twenty eight 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:20.160 coal fire power stations announce their closure. We need to 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.960 get supply and certain in energy security. We can't wait 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.360 till the twenty forties a nuclear Just. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.000 Stick with your plan, mister albinezy. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.080 When will the bills come. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.720 Down under our plan? We know that renewables are the 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.920 cheapest form of power, and that is why we are 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.760 doing that, rolling it out, including through gas. Peter Ray's gas. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.560 Gas is now thirteen dollars. It was thirty dollars and 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.000 when we came, when we kind of thirteen is cheaper 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:49.560 than thirty. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:51.720 When do we see the bills come down? 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.280 Well, what we need to do is to roll out renewables, 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.199 make sure there's energy security, make sure it's backed up 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.200 by batteries, by high joe, and by gas. That is 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.400 what all of the private sector is backing and investing in. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.440 Take your pick four times. When will they come down? 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.160 He can't promise when, which means they're not going to. Otherwise, 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:14.720 if you could find a way even to lie about 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.120 it like you did last time, he would. Then he 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.000 turns around and says, oh, pet, he dudn't. His plan's 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.640 going to cost billions of dollars taxpayer money. The only 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.600 reason your power bill has allegedly gone down by twenty 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:29.960 five dollars a month is because the taxpayer is paying 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.520 the power companies to reduce your bill by twenty five 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.240 dollars a month. That's what happened last year, That's what's 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.080 going to happen this year. All of that, of course, 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.800 then feeds into a fake number about the inflation figures, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:49.760 which figures into the fake calculations being made about whether 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.360 the economy is turned the corner or not. But how 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.040 did Channel seven think it when last. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:59.920 Night Anthony Albanizi and Peter Dutton have shifted their folks 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.080 to a tax on tax after failing to deliver a 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.640 blow during the second election debate. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.400 Now we all remember a good old fashioned scare campaign 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.040 from the twenty and sixteen election. That was the one 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.840 where the political genius always playing four D chess, the 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.959 ghost Malcolm Turble had the eight week campaign, the double disillusion, 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.160 lowering the bar for the number of people who could 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.640 make it into the Senate Crossbach. That's the one where 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.480 he took the majority. The Tony Abbott hadn't turned it 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:33.160 into just winning and he was willing to call in 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.720 the police because of lies like this. 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.920 Now the Liberals have set up a Medicare privatization task force. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:46.400 Everybody knows you don't set up a Medicare privatization task 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.960 force unless you aim to privatize Medicare. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:56.160 Of course it was a lie. It is still a lie, 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.800 but as it was in twenty sixteen, it was a 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.840 lie that they shark down Australia's throats. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.240 Put your hand on your heart and look Australians in 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.960 the eye and say that the Coalition has a policy 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:09.560 to privatize Medicare. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.880 I can say to the people of Australia that this 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.400 election and their vote on July the second, will determine 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:16.360 the future of Medicare. 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.640 Is the Coalition privatizing As. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.480 You've asked me to talk to the Australian people here, 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.520 and I just want to take another thirty seconds and 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.240 answer the first question. On July the second, Australians will 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.440 have a choice. It'll be about the future of Medicare. 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:30.880 You can vote Labor and make sure that we keep 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.480 the price of our healthcare system. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.320 Now, his reward for that lie is that now he 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:40.319 gets to have a weekly comment piece about Australian politics 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.839 on the very same show that he was telling those lies. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.520 But as we know, here we go again medi Scare, 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.680 Yet again Medicare. Only one side's going to save it, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:53.360 the other one's going to flush it down. The too. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.760 This is despite the fact that the last time the 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:03.840 Liberals were in power, of all doctors' visits were bulk billed, 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.440 no extra payments. Under the current government that is now 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.240 seventy seven percent, So on their watch it has gone 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.680 backwards on no no oh, But apparently it's the Liberal 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.200 party that is going to see a reduction in the 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.680 amount you can bulk bill. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:24.760 We never ever, ever want an American style health system 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.280 in this country. Is the guy who said, along with 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.880 the Coalition last time they came in a government, there'll 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.120 be no cuts to health and no cuts to education. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.000 They read fifty billion dollars out of health. They tried 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.360 to stop bulk billing altogether. People should be under no 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.080 illusion there will be cut to health, there will be 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.480 cut to education, that will be cut to the ABC 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.520 if the Coalition are elected now. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.720 This is despite the fact that how many times can 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.559 Peter Dunton say that's not going to happen. 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.120 A coalition government will again deliver quality healthcare. Nine billion 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.040 dollars will be invested into Medicare. 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.800 But they just keep doing it anyway, and no one 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.640 at these press conferences says, okay. Prime Minister Peter Dudden 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.800 has said how many times that it isn't going to happen, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.200 but you keep saying it is going to happen when 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.760 an actual fact, on your watch, the total number of 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.440 people who were able to bolt bill their trip to 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.360 the doctor has gone down, So Medicare has gone backwards 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.480 on your watch. But you're saying vote for us because 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.480 you think under the next guy who's promising to spend 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.280 more than you in this area, that it's going to 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:42.560 go backwards. But no, no, they just repeat, repeat, because 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.440 they're shameless and they think that they have a fig leaf. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.520 What was the one, Bob, If you have a Medicare 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.640 Privatization task Force, then you're definitely privatizing Medicare. And they 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.720 just say that that fig leaf was like some sort 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.280 of a fur coat. And then they fight and fight, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:58.480 and they just say it and say it and say 0:14:58.520 --> 0:14:59.560 it and say it and say it and say they 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.400 repeat a lot a trillion times, no matter how provably 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.640 false it is. Yet they're never called out for it, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:12.880 never ever called the lie trackers that they had. No, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.960 that's not in this that's never counted, never, despite the 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:21.800 fact that it is demonstrably not true. Well, let's now 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.080 play them by their own game. Okay, let's use albo 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:30.680 logic on albo. Let's talk about housing. Let's talk about 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:35.640 people who buy an investment property, not fifteen, but the 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:40.480 extreme majority of people who have one. Maybe some who 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.720 have two. But the idea that we're talking about everyone 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.200 who's in the property market's got fifteen and they're just 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.000 milking money off the future general, it's not true, you 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.760 know it. If you're lucky enough to have been able 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.120 to work hard enough to be able to have an 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.920 investment property, and without investment properties, there's no rent and 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.520 as we know, the rental market pretty damn tight right now. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:10.280 But let's get to the back and forth of part 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:14.840 of the debate last year now last night, Now the 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:20.280 debate was the moment between Peter Dutton and Anthony Abernezi 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:25.800 about the Labor Party trying to put together a working 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.640 group to get some information from Treasury about getting rid 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.120 of negative gearing, the same policy they had in twenty nineteen. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:38.320 Put simply, would you model getting rid of negative gearing 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:42.080 if you weren't planning to get rid of negative gearing? 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.240 Here it was in the debate last night. Was it modeled? 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.280 It certainly wasn't commissioned by us to. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.080 Do so, It was modeled by the government. It was 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.600 publicly it's publicly available that this Prime Minister has a 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:54.400 problem with the truth. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.720 So was Prime Minister bsing yes, because here is the 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.720 true measure of Australia, not speaking years ago, but speaking 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.760 last year about whether or not he had asked the 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.560 people who worked for him, the same people who put 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.880 together the budget, to have a look at getting rid 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.160 of negative gearing. 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.640 It is not unusual at all for governments or for 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:22.159 treasurers to get advice on contentious issues which are in 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:26.280 the public domain, including in the Parliament. It is not 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.240 unusual for treasurers to do that. But we have made 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.160 it very clear through the course of this week that 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.239 we have a broad and ambitious housing policy already and 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:39.639 those changes aren't part of it. 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.800 So the Prime Minister lied last night on two fronts, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.960 One that this ever happened and two that they never 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.840 asked for it. No, they did ask for it. That 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:54.320 is what was admitted by Jim Chalmers last year. Remember 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.760 the logic of the medi Scare campaign that exists to 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.600 this day. You wouldn't have a working group of privatizing 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.400 medicare unless you were planning to privatize medicare, then why 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:04.880 would you get Treasury to have a look at getting 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.640 rid of negative gearing if you weren't planning to get 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.760 rid of negative gearing. But again, the Prime Minister assuming 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.119 that you don't remember and the reporters are too lazy 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.399 to even go on a basic Google search for what 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.320 had happened last year, which they are. This is what 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.880 he was telling them today, in between questions of why 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:22.360 do they underrest to meet you? 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.680 Do you till out meeting the greens demands on negative gearing? 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.480 I rule out negotiating with the Greens. That's even further 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:31.960 for you. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:33.360 I real out. 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.360 I have responded to that lots of times, asked again, Well, 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.200 you can ask you again. You get the same answer. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.680 We have our housing policy that we are taking forward 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.720 the Greens. I am not negotiating with the Greens. We 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:48.760 make it very clear. 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.840 Because this bloke is such a political genius. Is he 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.800 trying to avoid we will not cut negative gearing because 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:00.920 he's trying to avoid their will be no carbon tax 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.520 under a government lead? Why would you not just say, 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:10.399 with absolute clarity, we will not get rid of negative gearing. 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.840 But of course that wouldn't count because Peter Dutner said 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.679 we are not cutting medicare, but they still claim that 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.879 he is anyway. So if there's no rules and the 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.560 gloves are off, then guess what. The gloves are off 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.399 and there are no rules. So today Jim Chalmers again 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.960 last year admitting not only did they look at getting 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:31.919 rid of negative gearing, but he asked them to have 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.840 a look at getting rigative negative gearing. Today he's trying 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.720 to pretend that there's a difference between what is the 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.080 semantic game he plays. 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.280 There is a difference between commissioning modeling, which is what 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.679 the PAM was asked about last night, and getting advice 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.040 from the Treasury getting views from the Treasury on issues 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.240 that are in the public domain. 0:19:54.760 --> 0:20:03.000 So apparently there's some semantic difference. No Hawk said you're 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.200 going to privatize medicare because you've got a working group 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.040 that's looking into privatizing medicare. Well, they started getting rid 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:12.000 of negative gearing, so why not libs they're planning to 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.159 get rid of negative gearing. The Prime Minister, when asked directly, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.200 will not say we are not getting rid of negative gearing. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.280 But even if he did, it doesn't matter because you've 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.080 said we are not going to cut Medicare and it 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:24.280 doesn't matter. It doesn't even count that there's no evidence 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.199 of it whatsoever. It doesn't count that you're actually planning 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.119 to spend more money than they are currently promising to do. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:36.119 So this is how topsy turvy and ludicrous this election 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:41.320 has been. So Okay, let's play labor at its own game. 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:43.959 They of course pretended that one of the reasons they 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:45.960 were able to say that Peter Dunton was going to 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.040 do something about Medicare was they were able to Frankenstein 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:52.080 together a grab from more than ten years ago. Well, 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:53.560 we just so happened to have a little bit of 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.639 tape of the current Treasurer of Australia and his sometimes 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.800 views when it comes to negative gearing. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.800 Any housing policy that doesn't deal with negative gearing and 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.679 capital gainst tax is a shame. Housing affordability which doesn't 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.400 make important and considered changes to capital gains and negative 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.479 gearing has a hole in the middle of it. 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:15.080 If you want to. 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.280 Deal with housing affordability, you need to start with negative 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:18.800 gearing and capital gains. 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.760 Okay, what's the Bob Hoork thing? Play the Bob Hawk thing? Right, 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.560 Remember what was what was the Bob Hawk thing? What 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:27.560 did Bob Hawk say? Which is the basis of medical 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.359 scare for twenty sixteen, nineteen, twenty two and twenty five. 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:36.560 Now the Liberals have set up a Medicare privatization task force. 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:42.080 Everybody knows you don't set up a Medicare privatization task 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.600 force unless you aim to privatize Medicare. 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:51.600 Well, Jim Chalmers says, what about. 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.200 Any housing policy that doesn't deal with negative gearing and 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:57.080 capital gainst tax is a shame. Housing affordability which doesn't 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.399 make important and considered changes to capital g a and 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.879 negative gearing has a hole in the middle of it. 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:04.840 If you want to deal with housing affordability, you need 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.360 to start with negative gearing and capital gains. 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.240 Play them of their own game, and you've got the 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.800 tape to prove it. Now, wait watch and see where 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:15.679 that goes in the next few days. Oh and of 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.600 course they'll say it was all an evil idea which 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:19.560 came out of sky News the prime time. Don't know, 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.600 It's just the same standard they use for something that 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.520 is demonstrably not true. Everyone knows it's not true, but 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.199 for some reason, they never get asked about it, But 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.840 Jim Chalmers says that about negative gearing. But now and 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.199 the Prime Minister won't rule it out. What's going on 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:38.520 here this weekend. You have the opportunity to spend time 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.040 with friends and family, and you're going to talk about 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.640 the election. So try and remember as many of these 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.399 as possible, about the difference between a bloke who promised 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.040 to make their country better, but in actual fact it 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.480 was fifty four thousand people who lost their job in March. 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:54.560 Better numbers for the jobs today. One point six median 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.280 homes are in mortgage stress, two out of three cannot 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.440 afford their rent. Three point seven million household will run 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.199 out of food, Twenty nine and a half thousand businesses 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:07.240 have gone bust, highest supermarket prices ever, highest taxes on alcohol, 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:11.480 smokers and petrol, and budget deficits for the next forty years, 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.800 not ten plus one point two t four trillion dollars 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.280 in debt that is on its way. Those numbers, particularly 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:23.800 about homelessness, are worth talking about. Those numbers, particularly about 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.280 people have food insecurity, are worth talking about. You'll remember 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:28.560 that a couple of weeks ago on the show, we 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.840 had a blowke here by the name of Morgan Cox. 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.120 Morgan was on the Q and A program a few 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.480 weeks ago where he was talking about his experience and 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.000 about how he is one of those that is the 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.480 true victims of this government and the way they are 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:45.719 being ignored when it comes to cost of living. So 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:48.800 this weekend, when you talk about politics, talk about Morgan. 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.760 One more rank increase and my family, my one year 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:57.000 old baby worth facing homelessness and we've got nowhere to go. 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.280 My family's already been forced out of Sydney for the 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:05.439 same reasons. I want to know, is the government going 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:10.000 to cut immigration to match housing availability or are we 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.960 just going to keep going until every regular working Australian 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:13.760 is homeless. 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:16.320 That question shook the nation, so then we spoke to 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.880 Morgan on this program. 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:24.320 I had to sometimes I have to ring a charity 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.879 place and ask them for some help of the electricity 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:28.560 and they are able to give me some credit. If 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.919 it keeps going like even another year like this, just 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.200 one more year, I think millions of people. 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:36.080 Will just be destroyed. 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.520 They'll be just finished, They'll be living in camp well. 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:43.280 Morgan is back in the news today because he's decided 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.280 to have a protest. The place he's decided to do 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.520 it is on the Central Coast, and he has done 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:52.399 so out the front of the Prime Minister's investment property. 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:55.320 He's decided to do so because he wants to keep 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:59.400 the issue of people like himself in this election campaign. 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:04.399 Morgan Joy now from the Central Coast. Morgan, why did 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.320 you decide it's time to bring even more attention to 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.920 your plight and to do it where you're doing it? 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:14.399 Well, of course I'd prefer to be our home with 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.680 my family over Easter, but I felt it's really important 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.240 that the elections on and the fact of the matter 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:23.360 is the little people we're just not being heard and 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:27.400 this is a desperate situation and it's getting worse rapidly. 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.320 So I just I really really need to get this 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:33.840 out there, you know, for nothing else then, so that 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.280 I can tell my kids at least I tried, you know, 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:42.919 at least I tried to get them to bring them 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:47.800 up in a country where they can afford to live. Yeah, 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.080 it's a. 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:51.800 No, I guess, yeah, no, I apologize. Sorry, the car 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:56.919 distracted just both then I understand obviously, and look, we 0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:59.080 understand your passion, but you've decided to do it at 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.040 the front not of the primin house, but house the 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:05.119 Prime Minister owns. What do you say to those that 0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:07.320 are going to give you flack for where you've chosen 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:09.040 to do this, that you're not a curability that you're 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.159 doing it on the central Coast. 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.679 Well, first of all, there has to be, you know, 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.000 a situation where I can do it, And there is 0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:19.760 a situation here where I can do it. There's the 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:21.639 space that I can do it in. And I'm not 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:26.040 breaking any laws. I'm not really hurting anybody or upsetting anybody. 0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.399 I've spoken to all the neighbors and they're all quite 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:31.080 nice and lovely people and they are fine with it. 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.680 So this was just the opportunity that I had, and 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.320 like I said, I just I want to do something, 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.560 you know, for the future of the kids. 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.880 Yeah, Morgan, when we talked about your own personal circumstances 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.000 when we spoke last time, So let's let's again look 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.840 at those raw numbers. One point six million people in 0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.400 mortgage shifts, meaning they can't afford their repayments, two out 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:53.520 of three can't afford rent because it keeps going up. 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.639 Three million people this close to homelessness, as we've discussed before, 0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.639 that's people like yourself and three point seven million people 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.760 going to run out of food, probably have by now, 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:03.760 and they're not going to have a great easter. Yet 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.600 we're halfway through the election and I was talking about 0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:10.960 any of that stuff. Really are they? That's right? 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.680 That's why I'm doing this, That's why I'm here. I 0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:15.880 just I didn't know what else to do to bring 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.159 attention to this. But it seems like it should be 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:21.840 the number one issue at this election for sure, and 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.760 I don't understand why everyone isn't talking about it all 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.120 the time. I keep seeing a lot of stuff on 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:32.200 climate change, and I just don't understand how that they 0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:35.520 can think, for instance, that we should be concerned about 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.600 the weather in a hundred years when next week we 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:39.200 don't know if we're going to be living in a tent. 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:44.160 Absolutely. Now you've appeared with us, you've appeared on the ABC. 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.560 What response have you had? You know, you're not really 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.000 massive on social media, but but how what responsive you 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.200 had for being willing to be as public as you 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:52.919 are in all of this. 0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.679 I think most people have been overwhelmingly supportive. I've had 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.399 a few people come out and say I'm racist or 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:05.240 I'm anti immigrant or whatever. By the way, my partner 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:08.640 is an immigrant, and I'm not against immigration at all. 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.320 I just want the government to manage the country. I mean, 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:16.040 what else is their job? Yeah, that's all just as 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.080 many houses. We need this many people. 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:20.080 Correct, and if you add an extra one or two 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:21.840 million people to it, then all the people that are 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.399 currently just barely holding on, well, they compete with everyone 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.119 else who might be able to jump in front of 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.679 them in terms of their capacity to be able to 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.240 pay that rent or to bid for that house, in 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.040 terms of the election, and in both sides here, what 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.320 would you say to both the Prime Minister and Peter 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.960 Dunton about how they need to focus and have either 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:46.120 of the leaders shown you anything resembling what should be 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.320 the focus for people like your good self. 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.440 Honestly, I'm just really sad and disappointed at everything that 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.920 I'm hearing. I feel like they just need to come 0:28:57.960 --> 0:28:59.600 back down to earth and talk to some of the 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:03.280 regular people, the working people. There is literally millions of 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:09.840 us in poverty and struggling, and we don't even have 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.840 a chance to talk to them. We're just we shut out. 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:18.200 That's why I've gone to this desperate sort of measure. 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.600 I didn't know what else to do. And like I said, 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.160 do you know, it's not just us, and now it's 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:27.960 also into the future. So our kids, our families, where 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:29.520 are they going to live if we just don't have 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.680 enough homes? This is a desperate situation for millions of people. 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.320 Now. Earlier today, you had a banner that was on 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.280 the caravan. I think the police told you to take 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.320 it down. That's their business, But that was because you 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.680 were trying to promote a website, because you want people 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.320 to have the ability to tell their stories. What does 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:48.680 it cost of living casualties dot com dot au tell 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.600 us about what you want out of this website and 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:52.760 is anyone else helping you along the way. It's not 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:54.880 a front for a political party or anything like that. 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:59.920 I'm just asking no, no, I have no affiliation with 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.360 any political party, and frankly, I'm disappointed in all of them. 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:06.560 I dare say that they asked me to take it 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.360 down because it had Albow's name on it, not because 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.120 of the website. And the website is just a very 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.720 simple website where people can go and they can just 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.520 enter in text their stories and they can select a 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:20.480 few options if they want it published or not, and 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.560 they can select things that they might like the government. 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:25.720 I just came up with a few ideas. There might 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:27.600 be more. People can ask me if they want me 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.120 to add things, but a few ideas that they'd like 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:34.720 the government to maybe address the issues, and just so 0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.560 that their voice can be heard. My intention is to 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.280 take that to politicians and if there's enough of us, 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:41.720 you know, perhaps they'll listen. 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.640 How long's the kara? Then, therefore, is this how you 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.040 spend the next four days? 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:52.360 Unfortunately, it might be. It depends. It depends on the situation. 0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:54.720 And you know what, I'd really love to hear from 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:58.880 some politicians. I'd love to hear from Albow or Dutton 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:02.400 or really anyone that will listen, because the whole point 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.160 of being here is just that we can be heard. 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.200 And you know, I'd love to take him on the 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.560 tour of the homeless camps that are around my place, 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.960 and I'd love to introduce them to some really lovely 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.600 people that are just suffering horribly, and I'd like to 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:18.920 just bring him back down to earth. 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.040 Well, there's plenty of people that are running, plenty of 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.080 people that are defending and plenty of people who are 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.040 after our conversations now know who you are. By the way, 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.600 if you want to help Morgan out, one thing you 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:31.680 can do is give him some work, all right. He 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.680 works in hi Fi. We've spoken about this before. His 0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.360 website is Smart High Fi dot com DOTU. It's audio 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.280 visual installations. His telephone number this is me doing the plug. 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.040 By the way, he didn't ask for this is one 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.040 three hundred and three two nine one oh four. The 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.520 best way to keep his family fed and a roof 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.680 over their head is for them him to have work. 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.160 He'll do it anywhere from Newcastle down to Wollongong, but 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.200 he'll probably go even further. Morgan, all the best mate. Again. 0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:56.360 That website when it comes to cost of living casualties, 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:57.040 what is it again? 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.160 It's just cost of living casualties dot com dot au 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.360 and yeah just a text just answer some texts, tell 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.440 us his story and I'll try to pass it on 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.800 to some politicians and hopefully we can get some change. 0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:12.760 Good on your Morgan, all the best mate, Happy Easter 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:14.680 and all the best of your family. Thanks Mane. 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:17.800 You as well, Thank you Morgan. 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.080 Cox there on the Central Coast now again he's been 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.280 pushed to a point where he thinks that's the way 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.600 to make his point. And you've got to imagine a 0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:26.720 person who is pushed that far to do that and 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.320 the inconvenience that comes from it, and you've heard his 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.560 reasonings for it. That's his website. That's how you can 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:33.040 help him when it comes to work. And I'd love 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.040 to know what you think, Paul. It's gonews dot com 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.600 dot you should cost a living and people like Morgan 0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:41.440 be the focus of this election or the distractions of 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.880 They're gonna can't many care. They're going to get rid 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.440 of negative gearing. We'll get to both next here on 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:53.440 Paul Murray Life. Thanks for watching. Sunday Nights we're hardcore 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:57.960 politics and Thursday before a long weekend, we are hardcore politics. Baby. 0:32:57.960 --> 0:32:59.760 You give it to you straight for the next few days, 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.480 army with the arguments. For the next few days. With 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:06.240 the family, with the friends. Be polite, everyone loves their family. 0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:08.200 No blow ups. But you know, if it gets to 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.000 the subject, we'll give you a little bit of information. 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.160 Christy McSweeney is of course from the pr Council. She 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.440 joins us now from beautiful Melbourne and the reason we're 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.800 in HD just always looking amazing none other than Darren Barnett. 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:20.520 A lovely to see you as well. 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.760 I thought that was heading Paul, Thank you very much. 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.040 All right, now there's a million polls, but I want 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.560 to bounce around here, so my apologies to the team 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:34.040 behind the scenes. I'll be honest about where the election 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.360 odds right, and they are in terms of the betting markets, 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.640 and it is the Labour Party at a dollar twenty 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:41.280 two to win with sports Bet, the Coalition at four 0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.800 dollars thirty, so an obvious favorite. Now lad Brokes Labor 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:49.240 Party dollar twenty two, tab dollar twenty five, the Libs 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.880 blowing out to well plus four dollars in all of those, 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:55.200 so what was previously Libs then became fifty to fifty 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:58.080 Now book you say, is pretty strong in the way 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.280 of Labor. If you're a hardcore supporter, I think the 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:04.120 momentum may change. Look bit responsibly butt four dollars a 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.360 reasonable price if you think you're running towards towards maybe 0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.919 a different direction. There's also a whole collection of poles, 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:12.800 including our mates at Redbridge. And remember we talked to 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.879 Costa Marris from Redbridge and Michael Kroger on Sunday nights 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.960 and say to the nation, they are having a look 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:21.000 at a whole collection of swing seats and they are 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.439 tracking whether they are heading the Liberal way or whether 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.919 they are heading Labour's way. Now, don't worry, you don't 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.680 have to squint, but I'll do the work for you. Basically, 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.600 fifty one forty nine in lots of different directions, in 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.520 all of the seats. Now I'm talking about Robertson on 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:39.560 the central coast of New South Wales, Reed suburban Sydney, Shortland, 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:44.000 in the Hunter Bruce suburban Melbourne, Goldstein, the Teal seat 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:48.160 in Melbourne, Bullwinkled, the new seat in Western Australia, Hawk, 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:51.040 which is the contest between Labor and the Greens. 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:52.960 Hawks where I grew up Sunbury. 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:58.720 There we go Sunday mcew and Casey Bentelon, Gilmour, Hughes 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:03.359 Patterson and Lincoln Yari. Again, fifty one forty nine, still 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:05.759 nice and tight. Yes, you can see in places like 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:09.960 Robertson it was liberal by some margin. Now it's just 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.160 in favor of Labor. A lot of things that you 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.000 see in that way. So let's talk about these particular polls, 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.640 whether you trust them, whether you don't, Christy, does it 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.480 show a tight race or does it show the momentum 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.240 that the bookies seem to believe is there in the election. 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.960 Look, I think it is very very tight. And the 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.480 reason why I think it's tight, and I've said it before, 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.600 is that the same people Redbridge who and give us 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.480 that poll are the same people who identify and they're 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.320 great mates of mine in Melbourne and great friends. 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:39.480 Of the show. 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:43.560 They're the same people who identify how far the soft 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.520 vote has blown out. And that soft vote is still 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:51.479 sitting at about twenty five percent, and one in three 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:55.759 voters voted for independent at the last election, and some 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:57.640 of those are going to switch back. So if we 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.439 combine the thirty percent of people who I don't vote 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:03.120 for a major party and might be assessing the major 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.160 parties and the twenty five percent of people who haven't 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:10.600 made up their mind, it is still very very close. 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:15.719 And I still do think that small margin there reflects 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:20.759 the general electorate, despite the Labor Party gaining momentum in 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:21.560 the campaign. 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.080 Yeah, because that's the question, isn't it, Darren. It is 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.759 always about momentum. What is very different I think about 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:28.759 this election than others is when you basically have this 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.840 set down week, where are they still going to appear? Yes, 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:33.640 are we going to try to read into who got 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:37.319 the biggest cheer at the Sydney East. But basically from 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.400 now till the other side of Anzac Day, most people 0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:42.600 are going to unplug and it means they had to. 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:44.600 They have the chats with the families and we'll see 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.719 whether that produces an even greater momentum for where the 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.680 book you say it's going, or it starts to push 0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:51.880 us back to where we were just a month ago. 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:53.800 What do you think of that pot? 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.360 Well, if you look at the seat by seat betting, 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:59.520 and I've only looked at sports bet but a lot 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.239 of these seats now have become much more Even so, 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:10.320 the seats New South Wales have been along robertson Gilmore, 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.520 early on Macquarie and where where we're in it, Patterson 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.440 is still in it. A lot of them now are 0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.799 slightly favoring labor and they were favoring liberal as little 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.319 as two or three weeks ago. The same goes in 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:26.880 Victoria for Chisholm. The same goes for a couple of 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.880 the Teal seats, So the Cape Cheney seat in WA, 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:35.480 the Manique Ryan's seat, the Jry Daniel's seat. When momentum 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:39.879 is not running with you, it's just one of those 0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:43.000 quirks of elections. And I'd say to sit to you 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.400 before we came on air the twenty ten election, Gillard 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:51.200 Abbott that when momentum started to swing towards the Coalition, 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.160 it just seemed that all of those tight races the 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.719 Liberals just got over the line. 0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:58.840 Was all before two weeks. I mean, for those that 0:37:58.880 --> 0:37:59.480 are trying. 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.840 To are up fifty five forty five at the end 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.160 of week one of that campaign, great point. Then all 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.080 the leaks started and then momentum really just swung the 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.600 other way, and that thirty six hour marathon to the line, 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:15.440 all of those things just momentum sat with Abbott. So 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:19.000 my point is that and all those seats just ended 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.520 up falling by a fairly small margin. Unless Dutton can 0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:26.320 take the momentum, I think he is in a world 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:26.760 of trouble. 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.520 Well, this is it because again, you know, margin of 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.919 era means you know, on a good day you might 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.520 push to the high sixties, maybe over seventy. On a 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:38.399 bad day you can actually go backwards and actually further 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.200 to that point. I actually asked sports bet, not sponsors. 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.120 I just asked the people that are there. They say, 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.320 in terms of the current market that are about changing seats, 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:52.440 that Labour would only lose four seats. Those would be 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:57.520 Ben Long, Lions, Gilmore and Aston. However they would win 0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.640 one back from the Greens. The Coalition would win one 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:05.520 off the Greens in Brucebane. They'd take back what essentially 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:10.120 were already their seats, the seats of Monash Claire Moore, 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.240 which are all people who were elected Nats or Libs 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.959 and then became independents. Monique Ryan. Look, it's a dollar 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.200 seventy nine to a dollar ninety three, but they're suggesting 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:23.520 that she would lose to Amelia Hayman and maybe Kauper. 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:27.319 That would be a coalition loss going to an independent. 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.640 But the market there dollar eighty to a dollar eighty seven. 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:32.319 So see what happens, all right, So it is, it 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.480 is fascinating. You're so right. The start of that, the 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:38.680 start of that Gillard campaign five and in twenty nine 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:39.160 I thought. 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:42.240 Were insurmountable after week one, and granted there were leaks 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.120 and their other things. Do you think it always happened, 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.120 but we're pretty cruisy after a week and we certainly 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.879 were just watching the track pols fall off. 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:52.840 Well, thank good miss Kevin Rudd was the Foreign minister 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:54.480 coming out of that, because nothing bad happened as a 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.359 result of that honor. But it was Tony Abbot who 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.640 pulled down the first female prime minister. Okay, now let's 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.319 get too the debate and your thoughts on that last night. 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.480 I think Albo didn't have a good night. I know that. 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:07.000 You know, the media was always going to say it's 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:08.480 a draw because if it's a draw, it's a win, 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:10.560 because that's not a change of momentum. And here's the deal. 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.320 No debate has ever produced a knockout moment except for 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:18.000 Joe Biden, who was dead in the middle of the debate. Right. 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:20.759 Other than that, you can always say there's this bit 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:22.880 for us and there's this bit for them. But I 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:26.040 honestly see, and of course, you know, I want a 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:29.320 change in government. But Christie I saw, and we showed 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:33.359 an awful lot of pretty successful hits the following day. Yes, 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:35.560 doesn't had to deal with the climate change stuff. I 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:37.440 thought he dealt with it pretty quickly. Will he be 0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:39.560 forgiven by the Left for it. No, they've got their grab, 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.520 they run forever. But this negative gearing thing, I said, 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.759 if the Libs can have the medi scares shoved down 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:49.280 their throat since twenty sixteen, you can shove negative gearing 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:53.480 changes right back down Labour's throat. 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.000 I thought, I agree with you, Paul. I thought Peter 0:40:57.120 --> 0:41:00.640 Dutton did extraordinarily well last night. The only thing I 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.640 worry about is that it's a bit too little, too late, 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.160 going into the East to break and the holidays and 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:11.600 pre poll already being upon us. But I thought he 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:16.160 outdid the Prime Minister. I saw the Prime Minister look evasive. 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:21.120 I saw the Prime Minister look shaky. In debates such 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:24.279 as this, at this time of the cycle, you want 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.359 to have an agenda to put the front runner off 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:29.920 their game. And we have just spoken about how Labor 0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.919 seems to have gained the momentum. It did take them 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.560 eighteen months to gain momentum, but they seem to have 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.000 it with them now and I think Peter dun't achieve 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:43.320 that objective. I saw the Prime Minister not being able 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:47.560 to answer questions and not being able to quickly on 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:51.960 his feet come up with a form of words around 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:57.360 the difference between commissioning modeling or what is modeling versus 0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:02.359 advice and he couldn't tack that deftly. And when you're 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.840 the Prime Minister and you can't tackle that deftly, that 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:10.160 means your confidence is a little bit shaken around that issue. 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.279 And it does mean that Peter Dunton had got to 0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.880 him if he couldn't wipe that back. Don't for his part, 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:20.239 he had some slip ups as well, I'd say, particularly 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:25.839 in this Indonesian issue. However, voters are not looking at 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:30.480 Australia's relationship with Indonesia. They don't know what Jants Defense 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:38.960 magazine isis into a national security but exactly exactly. So 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.359 if it was, it's very difficult and complex for people 0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:45.719 to understand. So I don't think that's going to get 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.600 the traction that a lot of the commentary wants it 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:49.000 to get. 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:50.680 I think that bumps in and out in a couple 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.000 of days. Am I right here? Well? 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.719 I think you're right, but it's you don't want to 0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:58.840 cause own goals on your suits. One hundred percent national 0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:02.480 security is a legal strong suit and you don't want that. 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:06.920 You don't want Bridget McKenzie saying that there's world leaders 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:10.280 saying Dutton doesn't want to BPM and it's not quite right. 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:14.040 The form of words matters and you need to get 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:17.200 you just need to get the language right. And I 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:21.160 think there's been three or four language errors which you 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:24.600 shouldn't make in a campaign. I thought, look, Dunton needed 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:28.000 to hit it out of the park and maybe he won, 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:32.760 maybe it was lionball, but not enough to change the momentum. 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.320 And as I said before, if the momentum doesn't shift, 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:39.400 then I think it's going to be a really difficult 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.480 time because people are going to switch off for a week. 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:43.960 Well let's see if somebody is smart somewhere on the 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:46.799 internet to make the most of what Jim Chalmers has 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:48.520 said about negative gearing in the past. 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.239 Any housing policy that doesn't deal with negative gearing and 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.040 capital gains tax as a sham. Housing affordability which doesn't 0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.720 make important and considered changes to capital gains and negative 0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:02.080 gear has a hole in the middle of it. If 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:03.920 you want to deal with housing affordability, you need to 0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:06.080 start with negative gearing and capital gains. 0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:08.720 All of that is enough for the medi Scare campaign. 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:10.440 Why is it not when it comes to a negative 0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:12.759 gearing one because you knows the Prime Minister didn't say 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:17.160 today we will not cut negative gearing quick breakback with more. 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:23.720 We are going to be in Cowgooley, not this Sunday, 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:25.640 next Sunday, and I want to fill the room, which 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.000 is why I'm doing as many plugs as possible tonight 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:31.480 before you bugger off on holidays. Ourtown, it's gynews dot 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.280 com dot Au. Ourtown. It's goynews dot com dot Au. 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.120 But plenty of people come up and tell me, including 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:37.319 there was a couple who told me I think we 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.800 were in Tweed on Monday, that they went on a 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:43.200 big international holiday. But they still continue to watch the 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:45.759 program Easion every night with VPNs and all the rest 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:47.680 of it. Thank you. There are people who watch us 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:49.480 all over the place. But if you would like to 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:53.279 join us in Cowgooley in Western Australia, it is our town, 0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:55.920 it's goynews dot com dot Au, not this but next Sunday. 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:57.919 Let's fill the room and fill the room fast. Christi 0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.440 McSweeney is here with Darren Barnett. We get away when 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:01.880 we're in a Loser of the Week in a moment, 0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.400 but can we talk about election posters because we know 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:09.239 there's a story every day pulled someone pulled mind down. Well, 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:11.600 somebody pulled yours down, and then somebody else drew on yours, 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.720 and then we're all supposed to think that this means 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.560 something about whether they're going to win or not win, 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:20.440 or there's more posters. Can I say this in the 0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:22.680 behalf of all Australians. Get rid of all of them 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.960 because they aren't about anything. We're not voting for your face. 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.600 Once we get to the ballot paper your name, yes, 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:32.680 is there? Okay, that's all you have to remember if 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:36.000 you're trying to go for one person or the other. Now, Darren, 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:37.839 you've been on the front line of these things where 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:42.600 you've seen seats that were longtime seats for the Liberal 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:46.000 Party turned to the people like Karen Phelps in places 0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:50.400 like Wentworth. Now I think ten years ago, yeah, probably 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.800 the posters was a thing right of your show of force. 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.480 I just think people find them grossly irritating right now. 0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.239 They don't find them half as intimidating the second time 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.279 around with the Teals as they did the first. Am 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:02.640 I wrong? 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.319 I think that I think the Teals get more bang 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.120 for their buck out of digital advertising, whether it's when 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:11.560 you turn on your phone and the next scroll down 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:14.200 gives you an allegra a spender or a row Knox 0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:18.520 ad where I live and wentworth. Some of the advertising 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.040 on the side of the old the bus shelters, some 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.840 of the digital advertising at Bondi Junction, some of that 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:27.600 stuff's quite useful. And some of the. 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:29.440 Petrol station that's smart. Whoever in the limbs is with that, 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:34.719 that's because everyone sees that. Literally, but poster someone someone's house, it's. 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:36.480 Pretty irritating, I'll give you that. But I do get 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:38.239 a laugh every time I see someone with a tooth 0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:41.080 blacked out. But I look at it in a different 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:44.439 way to most people, I think. But where I live 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:48.120 is absolutely chock a block and they all win, and 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:51.359 then oh this is on a power pole, this one's 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.920 onto this way. They all break the rules, they all 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:58.080 suit themselves and it's kind of it's a zero some game. 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.600 And don't show the camera, but just show Aaron's face. 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:04.320 That's my favorite thing that I like on a poster. Absolutely, yeah, correct, 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.480 all right, I thought that'd be the case. Christy, your 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:08.920 thoughts about these posters, I mean, again, you've been to candidate. 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:11.560 You've seen how these things go. I know where we've 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:14.120 always done, but it ain't eighteen twenty and I just 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:16.280 cut on over one thinks, oh, if we have seventeen 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.520 more than the other one, we're going to win. It 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:21.440 just annoys me, and it reminds me don't go near 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.880 your house at Halloween because you're a kook. 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:28.960 Well, yes, you're entirely correct, Paul. I have had my 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:35.319 face plastered on posts all around the in and out 0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:39.239 of suburbs of Hearth and so I've ticked that off 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.160 by list, and I'm very pleased that there's yet another 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:46.400 election where that memory continues to fight and I become 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:52.439 less prominent so in terms of candidacy. But I will say, 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.680 having been there and done it and having spoken to 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:59.279 people and what people respond to. It's really difficult in 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:01.680 the political and at the moment because it's become so 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:06.320 binary and so leader focused. It's incredibly hard for local 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.399 candidates to get local news out and to get their 0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:14.200 own personal brand out because everybody gravitates towards the leader now, 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:19.000 So it does work. Signage is a huge advantage. The 0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:22.400 more of it you have, the more repetition people have 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:26.279 of your name, not necessarily your face, but your name. 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:28.880 I don't think it's a good idea for people to 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.719 signal I vote liberal or I vote labor on the 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:36.240 front of my house, but signage certainly, as Darren mentioned, 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:41.160 council bins, bus stops, billboards, that's all valuable. 0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:43.239 That's good or I got thirty seconds, so give me 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.520 a bumper sticker version. We'rere a loser of the week 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:51.040 Darren Bunnett. Rory McElroy, Oh how good? And yeah it 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:51.520 was a rip. 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:53.520 I can't even remember his name who finished runner up, 0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:54.759 so he's the loser of the week. 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:59.239 Christy Win are. 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:03.920 Winner of the week. For me, I'm going to say 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:08.120 I think I'm going to make it political. I'm going 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.400 to say Benson Soulo where I live in Sint Kilda, 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.400 he does have three signs up within three streets, so 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:18.360 I've identified the other three voters in my entire suburb 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.080 that vote Coalition. So thank you for putting those signs up. 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:22.800 You're doing well. 0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:25.880 Thank you guys. Happy eater to everyone. Go Yankees and 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:27.920 we'll see you again. We're his Sunday night, Monday night 0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:29.719 when I go anywhere, so we'll be back at our 0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:31.680 usual time on Sunday. Have a great weekend.