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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigel

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Speaker 1: People of the Urination.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: This week, how Donald Trump managed to stop World War

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Speaker 2: III with an f bomb, how the Western Left ended

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Speaker 2: up on the side of Vladimir Putin, and most importantly

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Speaker 2: of all, what's really going on with the project. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has just stopped Iran from getting a nuclear bomb.

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Speaker 2: I think that's pretty clear to all involved. Iran was

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Speaker 2: working towards enriched uranium. They were enriching the uranium to

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Speaker 2: the point where it could be used for a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 2: People say, oh, but they you know, they weren't quite

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Speaker 2: there yet. Well, no, that's why you stopped them before

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Speaker 2: they get there. And the Uranians say, oh, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: we weren't actually going to build a bomb with all

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Speaker 2: this enriched uranium, this weapons grade uranium that we're enriching.

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Speaker 2: We weren't actually going to build a weapon with it.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, but you're also kind of say death

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Speaker 2: to America. And you also say that you want to

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Speaker 2: wipe Israel from the face of the earth quite literally.

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Speaker 2: You've got a little clock in Palestine Square, Well not anymore.

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Speaker 2: Because Israeli's bombed it, so it's not there. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you've got the doomsday clock and everything, You've got your

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Speaker 2: whole cultish belief that a messiah is going to ride

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Speaker 2: this great clash of civilizations which destroys the earth. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure if people who are looking forward to that

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Speaker 2: I think if you're going to go after anyone in

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Speaker 2: this little conflict, I reckon Iran's a pretty good place

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Speaker 2: and supplying and in encouraging all the terrorism that is

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Speaker 2: being committed in Gaza in the north of Israel. So Israel,

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Speaker 2: in attacking Iran, is actually attacking the people that they

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Speaker 2: should have been attacking all along in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Instead of bombing Gaza, bomb the guys who are funding

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Speaker 2: the terrorism, the terrorist leaders in Tehran. So Israel actually

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Speaker 2: bombs the people that they should have been bombing all along.

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Speaker 2: And of course everyone jumps up and down about that,

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Speaker 2: and then Donald Trump comes in after trying to kind

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Speaker 2: of get everyone to calm down. He says, fine, oh,

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Speaker 2: ke bibby, Oh, ke bibby, and he sends in these

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Speaker 2: bunker busting bombs that only the US has, and that

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Speaker 2: in Kadal whatever it's called, which is deep deep, deep underground.

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Speaker 2: And the US does that, and it's this weird system

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Speaker 2: and then the second bomb comes into that sort of

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Speaker 2: and finishes the job. Now, everyone says, Donald Trump says,

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Speaker 2: Pete Heggs at the Defense Secretary says, yeah, we've obliterated,

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Speaker 2: We've destroyed it all. You know, there's no more nuclear

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Speaker 2: capability in Iran whatsoever. Then, of course the New York

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Speaker 2: like a few months, but that might change as more

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Speaker 2: the planet. After all that talk, Rand just kind of says, actually, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: you're right, cease fire. We'll agree to a cease fire,

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Speaker 2: no problems, thanks for finishing. Also agrees to resume negotiations

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Speaker 2: with the US of its nuclear program, so basically in

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Speaker 2: But of course Israel don't like that, homie, don't play that,

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Speaker 2: and so Israel says, ah, you're breaking the seas fire

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Speaker 2: be proportionate. If Israel's proportionate, it's wiped out because there's

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Speaker 2: of the planet. So if they attack Israel, well, a bit.

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Speaker 2: Israel has to respond with maximum force because otherwise it's

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Speaker 2: And it's just quintessential angry dad. Donald Trump is about

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Speaker 3: He goes for these guys. They've been favored so long.

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Speaker 2: Now. I don't think i've heard a US president drop

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Speaker 2: know what, it worked. So Trump gets on the phone

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Speaker 2: to net Yahoo apparently just tears strips off him. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: according to the sources on Israel side, Yahu does a

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Speaker 2: because Donald Trump has read them the right act And

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Speaker 2: what do we talk about on this podcast all the time.

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Speaker 2: What do we talk about Trump's strategy in the world

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Speaker 2: Madman diplomacy, And it is madmen diplomacy. It is that

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Speaker 2: people who are self interested, evil, crazy, strong men, hard

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Speaker 2: Iran and the Ayatola, people like Russia and Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 2: They do not play by the rules. As we discussed

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Speaker 2: last week with the Loewe Institute's with our friend from

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Speaker 2: who is stronger, who is going to use more force,

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Speaker 2: stop fighting with Israel. He does nothing. This time, he

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Speaker 2: come to the table. Suddenly there's a ceasefire. Suddenly the

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Speaker 2: That's the thing with Madman diplomacy. Sooner or later, you

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Speaker 2: with the bunker busting bomb. And that's what Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: well we know that Israel and Trump are evil, so

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Speaker 2: Iran must be the good guys. And so suddenly you

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Speaker 2: How dare you attack them? Now? This would be sort

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I just want to go to Congress. I'm

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Speaker 3: if you could just keep that quiet till afterwards, that'd

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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. So you've just got this

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Speaker 2: Ayatola adjacent. They are actually backing the regimes, this regimes

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Speaker 2: right to attack Israel, this regimes right to attack other

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't be helping that happen. Very very strange. It

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Speaker 2: tells you everything you need to know about the extreme

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Speaker 2: up in the stupidest possible place imaginable. Well, now that

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Speaker 2: World War III has been safely averted thanks to Donald J. Trump,

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Speaker 2: we can get on to the second biggest story in

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Speaker 2: the Project. The person I have with me right here

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Speaker 2: in the studio this week, perhaps the only person who

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Speaker 2: can answer that eternal question for the Ages. Her name

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the real story.

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Speaker 1: How are you hello? My name is Sarah Harris, and

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Speaker 2: How's the only fans?

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Speaker 1: It's a joke, Gunny, Maria, It's a joke. It's all fine.

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Speaker 1: Look, look, ten has been so good to me. I

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Speaker 2: that's not good enough, and so there's actually no point

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00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: to it. So I don't regret, like you know, because

431
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: I think any normal person says, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

432
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to upset you. I didn't mean I

433
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: didn't mean what you think I said or whatever. And

434
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: this was the strangest thing about it, Like anyone who

435
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: hears the things that I was apologizing for outside of

436
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: that prison, like oh, Betty's about to say something really offensive,

437
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: people just hear and go, oh, yeah, that actually makes sense. Yeah.

438
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: I don't know. But of course, if you're putting it

439
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: through the meat grinder of you know, the outrage machine,

440
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: then of course it's going to come out the other end,

441
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: looking like pretty nasty sausage.

442
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: I've seen a few in my time brand and you're

443
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: waiting for it, and there it is.

444
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: Let's get back to you. So I want to get

445
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: back to you. So and I know with my experience

446
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: with channels and they are actually really nice about it's.

447
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: The most lovely place to work and makes you care

448
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: about people in some way. And I decided, I remember,

449
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: I remember that was that was you know, and that's

450
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: that's the kind of interesting thing as well. I did

451
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: shed a few tears.

452
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 2: When did I inspire you and your decision? Is that

453
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: what you're trying to say?

454
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, look, how will you do?

455
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: We got a podcast?

456
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: No? But like I think for me, the most emotional

457
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: thing was losing you from Studio ten. I still remember

458
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: it was so sad, right, and I was just like

459
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: so emotionally attached and tied to Studio ten. It was interesting.

460
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: Beautiful carry big More sent me a text message afterwards

461
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: when it was first and then Benie No, she said

462
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: she was beautiful and I said to her, I said

463
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: to her, I'm sorry I couldn't keep your show running

464
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, that's not what it don't be silly,

465
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: and that's just the industry. But I did feel like that, like,

466
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: you know what, what she started that show, and I

467
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: think when you start a show, you it's like raising

468
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: a child. And now this sixteen year old belligerence television

469
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: show is to.

470
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: Quote Robin Williams in Goodwill Hunting, it's not your fault, No,

471
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: it's really not. And I think I think your analysis

472
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: bang on. I think you have you have a problem

473
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: where you've got, what.

474
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: Was made program that is targeted.

475
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: That's right, You've got a program that is targeted towards

476
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: young people and they and young people are simply not

477
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: watching television anymore. They're not watching free to air schedule

478
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: television anymore at all. They're watching something else. I don't

479
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: know what it is, you know, pawn probably whatever, but

480
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: they're not watching that. And actually they're not watching but

481
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: that because they're too virtuous there. They're too anxious about

482
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: climate change.

483
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: And I think they've probably grown up and they've had

484
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: their own kids and they're in the you know, the

485
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of the day to day running around. It was

486
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: interesting what Leads said to me that he had, like

487
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: during COVID numbers for the project were through the roof

488
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: because people audience captive audience. Yeah, but then and people

489
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: kind of loved having someone else.

490
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: Go through it could just lock people in there. That's

491
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: that's a solution to free toom are telling.

492
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: But then kind of when when the restrictions and the

493
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: lockdowns were lifted, there was almost like a backlash to TV.

494
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: And I've got to say, when I got to Melbourne

495
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, I was so surprised at the

496
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: number of people just out doing things like that don't

497
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: really happening here in Sydney, you know, like people were

498
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: out living their lives. It was it was quite There

499
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: was like a party was going on every night, like

500
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: they were relishing their freedom. They're not home watching TV.

501
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's probably because Melbourne was locked down

502
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: harder and more so people were just running out and going,

503
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm so Another thing, because speaking of

504
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 2: the old days at Studio ten, you came over from

505
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: Channel nine to Channel ten, which I'm very glad that

506
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: you did because that.

507
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Was I was twelve years at Channel nine too, so

508
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: it's like a twelve year itch that I must have.

509
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: I've read something about your time there and I can't

510
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: remember what it.

511
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: Was now, but oh, look I.

512
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: Were you were destined for pretty big things there as well.

513
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, look I had some amazing opportunities that experiences at nine.

514
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: I loved it and it really kind of gave me

515
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: that grounding to do what I do today, Like it

516
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: was invaluable experience. But I was I was of contract

517
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: for like eight months.

518
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: I didn't realize until I was working in television how

519
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: what a big deal that is, because that means they

520
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: don't really love you, or they're not sure if they

521
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: love you. It's kind of like your wife telling you

522
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: we're on a break.

523
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And I was like, what should I do?

524
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: And then and then Rob McKnight, who started Studio tears.

525
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: I should just explain this really boring, but if you're

526
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: off contract at a network, it means that you're still

527
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: working there, but you don't actually have it's just almost

528
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: a day to day proposition. You don't actually have a

529
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: fixed contract.

530
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: It's like a week to week leasing situation.

531
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

532
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: So I was kind of like, oh, you know, I

533
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: kept trying to have meetings and it wasn't happening. I

534
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: was like, okay, and then Rob McKnight who i'd done

535
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: some kind of nine news now.

536
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: With current host of McKnight tonight.

537
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. But you know what I love about him, He

538
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: loves television. He is the biggest TV nerd I have

539
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: ever met. He is obsessed with it and I loved

540
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: that about him, still do. And he was like, do

541
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: you want to come over and just trial for this thing?

542
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: And I remember going to a pub one night and

543
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: you were there. I'm like, this is a sign. This

544
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: is the sign. And then we did the screen test.

545
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: It was with Iter as well. I was like, no,

546
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: this is amazing, We've got to do this and it

547
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: was incredible. I loved every second of that show. In fact,

548
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: I've got a gift for you. No, I'm like, that's

549
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: a part of the Studio ten set, which is now

550
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: in a skip bin at Channel ten. It's not coming back.

551
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: So for those of you listening watching.

552
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: Piece of TV history right there, Joe should be grateful and.

553
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: Thankful false wood. It's about two inches by one inch

554
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: and it's got a screw through it of the screw

555
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: is sticking out the other and so it's also quite

556
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: sort of dangerous potential for you know TV what this

557
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: piece was used for.

558
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was part of the couch.

559
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't look very comfortable.

560
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: What was the was the frame? You idiot?

561
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: Really brings back memories, It brings back memories of wood

562
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: how I got screwed on studio. But no, they were good,

563
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: good times. It was a very good innings and fun fact,

564
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: so me and Ita, this is a very strange thing.

565
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: Me and Ita were actually the founding were kind of

566
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: members and everyone people don't know. Everyone else actually had

567
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: to audition and and you know, obviously the show ended

568
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: up being associated entirely very much so with you. Basically,

569
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is, you know, it was meant to

570
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: be my show, and then you came in and stole

571
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: it from me. Oh I did not, No, No, of

572
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: course you didn't. But but and then what well they

573
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: just had everybody there was with Sarah and Joe and

574
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: Denise and the other Denise and Yes and.

575
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Jess was fun time John John like and that's what

576
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: I you know, you remember having johnnah on the show,

577
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: and Denise was the same. Drysdale. They just host Brave.

578
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: They do not care.

579
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: Because they're rich. They've got enough money, they've got a

580
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: big house. They don't have to worry about anything. They

581
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: can be canceled, they can be sacked, and it's all

582
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: no but it's good and it makes them better and

583
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: makes them hilarious funny.

584
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Do you remember Denise was like climbing on top of

585
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: the set and like Generalan's coming down, going we need

586
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: hr in here, we need like to do a safety

587
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: report on this, and she's like, bugger off.

588
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: I subsequently had a terrible, debilitating fall. But that was

589
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: a cruise ship. So that wasn't that wasn't that wasn't

590
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: our problem. We were not liable for that.

591
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just kind of feel like it's been so sanitised.

592
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: I'd love for Telly to get back to its roots

593
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: and people. You know, I think, yes, I think the

594
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: Australian public can be slightly more conservative at times with

595
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: their with their values. But I also think the AUSSI

596
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: viewing public they're cheeky.

597
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: I don't think they are though. I think there's a

598
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: certain and type of incredibly humorless judge, dour, unhappy people

599
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: looking for reasons to be unhappy and offended and upset

600
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: and outrage. And I think they are the ones who

601
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: write all the letters. They are the ones who you know,

602
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: get on social media and complain about everything, and I

603
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: think the vast majority of I mean, who do you know,

604
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: have you ever met any normal person, any of your friends,

605
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: anyone you know who's ever sat down and complained to

606
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: Akma or posted something online said I can't believe they've

607
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: done this. Look at this. This is outrageous everybody. These

608
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: guys should be canceled. And yet there are people who

609
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: literally make it their whole jobs to do that. So

610
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it is reflective of what Australians want.

611
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: I think most Australians hate that, and I think the

612
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: thing they're really outraged about is the outrage and they

613
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: want to stop because again, it makes everything boring, It

614
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: makes everything beige if people are refusing to say anything

615
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: that could be remotely controversial or too edgy.

616
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: And I will and that's the kind of the zing

617
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: that I'll miss from TV on my little breakaway. It's

618
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: not hope to hope. It is little, but you know,

619
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: you know, when you're doing something on television and it's

620
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: live and there's that crackle in the air and you

621
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: you nail a question or you get this response a

622
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: response out of someone you're interviewing, and it just is

623
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: nothing you could have ever imagined. And the hairs on

624
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: the back of your neck stick up and you like,

625
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: I love that so much. I wish we could get

626
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: a bit more cracked.

627
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: That, right, And when you're seeing anything, I don't know

628
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: what's going to happen next. I don't know what the

629
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: situation is going to turn into it. I don't know

630
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: what the guest is going to say the audio. And

631
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: if you don't know, imagine people sitting on the edge

632
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: of their seats at home and go, wow, this is amazing.

633
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: And of course that makes it dangerous. That makes it risky,

634
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 2: That makes it edgy because of course you can't control

635
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: it if you don't.

636
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: And it doesn't always.

637
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't always, it doesn't always land or sometimes.

638
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: When it does, got it got it feels good?

639
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: Right even when it does it those what are you?

640
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? So you're going to

641
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: I know you want to.

642
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: Well, look I did jokingly say only fans, and then

643
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: I seriously looked into it. No I didn't. It turns

644
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: out to start worth it. Look it turns out live

645
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: streaming yourself sobbing and eating grated cheese out of a

646
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: bag isn't sexy enough for only fans.

647
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Speaker 2: There would be a market for it. I reckon people

648
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Speaker 2: who actually.

649
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Speaker 1: So actually, I was going to do this thing though,

650
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: because I've worked in news and comedy, so I thought

651
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: maybe I'd give stand up a try. Actually just shot

652
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: a special. We aired a fantastic add a bit of

653
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: a primo on it on the Project this week.

654
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: What you think be be honest, She's gone from sitting

655
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 2: down to standing up.

656
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a comedian no longer rated G more like

657
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: ge Wis. When they asked the show, ten said it

658
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: wasn't personal. They said it was just a strategic refresh,

659
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: which we all know if TV speak means we don't

660
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: know we're doing but we're not doing it where the are.

661
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: It's Sarah Harris's foul mouth stand up comedy special.

662
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: People are always asking me for the news. You know,

663
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: I've got some news for you. The economy is down,

664
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: my wine consumption is up. You know what I'm talking about?

665
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: Thank you? You do?

666
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: You know?

667
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: Unscripted, unplanned, Cabby Sad. They're good stuff, unbelievable sort of

668
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: baby in here, get that baby.

669
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: Out coming soon to ten and ten plays.

670
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm an unemployed celebrity of cause the jungles coming for me.

671
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty solid, yeah, strong, strong material.

672
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: So they had to clean it up for the promo

673
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure all the best bits always end up

675
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: on the cutting room floor, I presume. Yeah, how are

676
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 2: the kids anyway?

677
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: My nine year old did say, Mom, can you please

678
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: stop telling people you're getting an early fans page? Do

679
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: you know what goes on on early fans pages? Michael?

680
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: How do you know what goes on an early fans page?

681
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: He's like, well, it's not a very funny joke, Micha.

682
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: Well you're not my audience.

683
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Speaker 2: Actly social media's band, Harry, go back to your room,

684
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: do you know. So all right, we'll tell you the

685
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: real story about this, because that's the day of the podcast.

686
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: But so I was in the New South Wales budget

687
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: lock up. They'd literally just given our phones back. It

688
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: is literally like I think they'd even given them back early.

689
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: It must have been providence, even before midday. I take

690
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: it out of the sealed bag that it's in and

691
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: as soon literally this the minute I do that. The

692
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 2: second I do that, it starts ringing and it's Sarah.

693
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: Hello Joe speaking, Hello Joe speaking.

694
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Speaker 2: Because Everyone's like, so, I'm literally in a room with

695
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: nothing but journals. Everybody nothing but journals and microphones being

696
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: very quiet. Yeah, hello, here's going. I'm so glad you answered.

697
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: Thank god. Listen. I've got to do a comedy. I've

698
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: got to do a stand up comedy set in about

699
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: half an hour, and I need you to give you

700
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, she goes, how's this for a line?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to repeat it?

702
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Speaker 2: All? Right?

703
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Speaker 1: Well, I said, I'm a I'm an unemployed celebrity. Of course,

704
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: the jungle's coming for me, am I right, ladies?

705
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: And is that one of the lines that cut?

706
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: So you can't put that in there?

707
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Speaker 3: There?

708
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Speaker 2: We can. This is the thing. We're not free to

709
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: win television. We can put it.

710
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me say the Latin.

711
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: There in the middle of the Sydney CBD above fifty

712
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: floors above Button Place, looking at the Sydney skylet as

713
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: far as close to the window. Yeah, maybe look, let

714
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: me have a think about it, you know. And And

715
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: eventually I hadn't been thinking about it, and I was

716
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: trying to call you, and obviously you'd already gone off

717
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: and done it.

718
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: When I had this, I think I said, I'm going rogue.

719
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Speaker 1: I'll call you later.

720
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: And I sort of realized, I know she can't go

721
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: instid of do all these Jake said, the joke has

722
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: to be that she's this kind of washed up, drunk

723
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: comedian doing all this kind of blue, old fashioned material.

724
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: You know, that's the sort of stuff that you get

725
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: canceled for. And and every time she's about to finish

726
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: the joke, it gets beeped or it gets cut because

727
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: it's just too too old score. And then the next

728
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: morning you send me what you've done, and it's exactly that. Yeah,

729
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: it's exactly that, including the fact that the project, not

730
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: knowing it was kind of in on the gag, actually

731
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: cut all the offensive bits because they.

732
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Speaker 1: Were too Yeah they were while they were they were

733
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: maybe they.

734
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: Were for that time at night, but they were all

735
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: the bits that you just heard bleeps when we repeated

736
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: them on this podcast.

737
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's been it's been a wild ride. I've

738
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: had so much fun. I've got to do amazing things.

739
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to get back into TV one day. If

740
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: you're out there anyone.

741
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: There is still a TV.

742
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 1: But like I actually I need a break. I feel

743
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: so burnt out, Like from starting studio teen, having a

744
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: couple of babies, the pandemic, you know, flying to Melbourne

745
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: twice a week for the last nearly three years. I'm

746
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: just a bit cooked. So I just want a little reset.

747
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: I think that's healthy. I think that'll breather. Yeah, let

748
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: me know if you ever want to do a podcast, Well.

749
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm here. Yeah, you're going to pay for my part joke, Yeah,

750
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: I do. Do you want to tell it? But you

751
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: got to beat it. You got to beat the punchline.

752
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: What's the difference between.

753
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, Sarah, what is the difference?

754
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Just stop? Stop, for the love of God, you can't

755
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: do that.

756
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: I think we might wrap this up. I'm sure that

757
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: whatever lies and wait for you would be just another

758
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: another new beginning, another new high in a in a

759
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: career already had so many peaks. Yeah, thank you, darlins,

760
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: while others had their mouths in the trough.

761
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm around now, so I'll be able to

762
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: catch up with you.

763
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: Like you could be every week on this podcast.

764
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: But I can, like, you know, come around. We can

765
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: go start, you know, a little running again and some

766
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: power walking. So no to the stand up comedy.

767
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: That's let's just sort of take it off line.

768
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: I've got six months to come up with the show

769
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: before Melbourne next year.

770
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: I should do a joke about I'm a celebrity and

771
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: all the stuff you have to eat on it.

772
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: No, that's nsf w n SFP.

773
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: That safe for podcasting, Sarah has thank you so much

774
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: for joining us.

775
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: Thanks Joe boy.

776
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: Now it's time to bring back a little segment that

777
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: quite frankly, we totally forgot we had. It's question time

778
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: and this week's question comes from listener Ellie. And Ellie

779
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: asks Joe what do diplomats actually do? Do they just

780
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: sit around having cups of tea and stuff? It's a

781
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: very good question earlier and the answer is yes. In fact,

782
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: I know a few diplomats and a large part of

783
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: what they what do they do? Part of the actual

784
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: training is how to hold a drink and a canno

785
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: pay while at the same time shaking the hand of

786
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: someone important that you've just been introduced to. And this

787
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: is this is part of the skill set. I'm not

788
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: actually rubbishing it because it's important because you're part of

789
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: being a diplomat is you don't want to piss people off.

790
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: You don't want to be rude to people. You want

791
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: to be, to put it another way, diplomatic. So there

792
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: is actually a technique that diplomats have where you will

793
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: rest a canno pay on the sort of part of

794
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: your hand between your forefinger and your thumb, so sort

795
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 2: of just sort of between your wrist and where your

796
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: finger and thumb begins. You sort of rest a cannot

797
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: pay on a little napkin if you like that, and

798
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: you can still hold your champagne in the hand between

799
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: your fingers and your thumb while you got your little

800
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: campaign next to this. You of course do this with

801
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 2: your left hand, thus liberating your right hand to shake

802
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: the hand of the foreign dignitary to whom you have

803
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: just been introduced. So you will always hold your drink

804
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: in your left hand, your cannot pay in your right hand.

805
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: Foreign dignitary comes up, you place the canna pay on

806
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 2: the base of your left hand, and you shake the

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00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 2: dignitary's hand with your right hand. That is just one

808
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: thing that diplomats do. The other thing that diplomats do

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00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: is gather intelligence. They're all kind of basically spies, and

810
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: they will also have actual spies embedded in the embassy

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Speaker 2: or the consulate. So people who work for the Australian

812
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: Secret Intelligence Service look probably shouldn't have given it that

813
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: a way, but I think everyone knows it anyway. But

814
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 2: a lot of this gathering of intelligence isn't like James

815
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: Bond stuff. In fact, none of it is. It's just

816
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: really basic stuff. It's having people on the ground in

817
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: the country who just know who's who, know what important

818
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: people like, know what their backgrounds are, know what their

819
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: weak spots are or where they might be susceptible to flattery,

820
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: and also any skeletons they might have in their closet.

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Speaker 2: And so all diplomats will do that. And a lot

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Speaker 2: of that will just be sort of reading wire services

823
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: or going out having dinner with people, chatting to people.

824
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: Again not necessarily hacking into computers and stealing hard drives

825
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: like tom Cruise Mission Impossible, which is meant to be

826
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: unreal by the way the last installment. And so you

827
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: will have things like you know, you will have seen

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00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: in Indonesia a very successful trip by Anthony Albanesi. Where

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Speaker 2: is dog Toto and the Indonesian President's cat exchanged gifts. Right,

830
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 2: that is a very very good sign because the President

831
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 2: of Indonesia really really loves his cat. His cat has

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Speaker 2: its own Instagram page, and now his cat has posted

833
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: a photo on that Instagram page of the cat. Actually,

834
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it was a human, not the cat itself.

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Speaker 2: The post of the foot I don't know. I don't know,

836
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Speaker 2: but the cat's wearing a T shirt saying, you know,

837
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Speaker 2: I love Australia. That's good. That means officially where okay,

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Speaker 2: that means the Russians aren't going to come in invaders, right,

839
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Speaker 2: we think. So that's one sort of thing they do.

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00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: The other thing they do is they sort out all

841
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: the meetings between the top leaders before they happen. So

842
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: every meeting you have between you know, say Anthony Aberinezi

843
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump, once he finally gets one, but even

844
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: the phone call they had that will be set up

845
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: days and weeks in advance. So Kevin running the US

846
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: embassy set up that phone call, was setting up for weeks.

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00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: It just happened to take place a day or so

848
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 2: after Trump announced the tariffs. And they will they will

849
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: decide what is going to be talked about. They will

850
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: often decide what the position is going to be. They

851
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: both come out with they'll have a form of words

852
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: that both of all agreed on ahead of time, and

853
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 2: so once the leaders are in the room together, each

854
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: one pretty much knows what the other one's going to

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00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: say and what they're going to both say together at

856
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: the end of it. But because the diplomats have been,

857
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: you know, the ambassadors have been and their various advisors

858
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: have been nutting all this out for weeks behind closed doors.

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00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: So that's pretty much what they do. Can I pays

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00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: cats and conference calls, and that is all we have

861
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: time for this week. If you've got any questions right

862
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Speaker 2: into this segment that we completely forgot, we had the

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Speaker 2: real story at Nova podcast dot com dot au a

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Speaker 2: slide into my dms on Instagram at Joe Underscore Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: Apologies for all the questions that I apparently have forgotten about,

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Speaker 2: but we'll answer them all now. You can also catch me,

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Speaker 2: of course every Monday and Saturday in news papers. You

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Speaker 2: can go to any of the sites where you get

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Speaker 2: your podcasts. You can like us, you can leave a

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Speaker 2: review that says how awesome we are, and if that

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Speaker 2: isn't enough for you, you can always just tune in next week.

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Speaker 2: See then