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Speaker 1: This episode of Headgame was recorded on gadigal Land. It's

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Speaker 1: December five, twenty twenty four. Most visitors to Sydney's iconic

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Speaker 1: Bondi Beach today don't realize they're about to watch history

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Speaker 1: in the making. Twenty eight year old Jack Pitcher is

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Speaker 1: on the home stretch of an epic cross country run.

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Speaker 1: He started to trek two months earlier in Perth with

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Speaker 1: his mate Josh. As his feet hit the sandy shore

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Speaker 1: of Bondi, he claims a record for the fastest brit

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Speaker 1: to run more than four thousand kilometers across Australia, not

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Speaker 1: just beating the previous record but smashing it by sixteen days.

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Speaker 1: Far from being a professional athlete, Jack's motive for the

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Speaker 1: journey was about his mental health. I'm at Middleton and

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Speaker 1: this is Headgame today. Jack picture untackling the harsh Ossie

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Speaker 1: outback as a brit and why it was so important

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Speaker 1: to him. Jack, it's great to have you on. I

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Speaker 1: can remember you arriving on Bondai Beach in December twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four and what a feat, especially being a Brit

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Speaker 1: in Aussie You know, I know where you picked Australia

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Speaker 1: because it's a huge country and there's huge backing here

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Speaker 1: as well. But before we get into the nitty gritty

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Speaker 1: of the run, take me back to your childhood and

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Speaker 1: what it was like growing up and where you grew up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've grown up my whole life in an

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Speaker 2: area called Bracknell, which is just near Ascot so about

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Speaker 2: an hour just sort of south London. And yeah, my

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Speaker 2: upbringing was very normal, you know. I came from a

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Speaker 2: very normal family, a very normal area. My mum was

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Speaker 2: was also in the tas as well, so he served

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Speaker 2: a very very normal background. Growing up, I was always competitive,

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Speaker 2: you know, I played football at a high level. I

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Speaker 2: always kept myself fit. But then obviously growing up I

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Speaker 2: was just very very competitive, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: as I got older. My dad passed away when I

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Speaker 2: of became the man of the house. So it really

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Speaker 2: changed my mindset. From a young age. I feel I

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Speaker 2: and luckily, you know, it's given me this mental strength

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Speaker 2: I have today. And I've just carried it all the

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Speaker 2: way through almost seventeen years now and just watching that

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Speaker 1: Wow. So you say that you lost your father at

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Speaker 1: twelve years old. I lost my father when I was

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Speaker 1: it because I can barely remember him, and the dynamics

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Speaker 1: of the whole household change. Like you just said, you

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Speaker 1: had to step into a role. Just take me back

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Speaker 1: to that day. How are you told and how did

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Speaker 1: that affect you moving forward? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I remember it clear as day. Mate. I was, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just came back from school. I must have started

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Speaker 2: I'm really really sorry, but your dad's been found dead,

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Speaker 2: I didn't really see what was coming in the future.

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Speaker 1: Well, at that age is sort of protected from that,

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Speaker 1: aren't you, by your parents as a parent's job. Being

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Speaker 1: But I suppose, wow, yeah, you talk about that emotional maturity,

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Speaker 1: you had zero. You had no emotional maturity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, none. I had none at all. And I sort

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Speaker 2: And what I've done I remember as clear as day,

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Speaker 2: probably about half an hour after I'd just been told,

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Speaker 2: I just had a half day. I didn't even have

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Speaker 1: Wow, and how did the dynamics change, not only within

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think it changed my mindset further

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Speaker 2: everyone's got their different problems, but I just felt within

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Speaker 2: because you don't understand what other people have gone through,

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Speaker 2: So it's made me very, very resilient.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was going to say, the psychological

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Speaker 1: I would say the upper hand or a slight psychological

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And I think that's why

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Speaker 2: I just felt I wanted to carry on his legacy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, you've done that, but you've got so much

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I actually got into ulture running probably about four

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours. I don't know anyone else that would

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Speaker 2: This is nothing. I'd do this every day with my

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Speaker 2: I've done multiple ultras. After that, I ran one hundred

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Speaker 2: I ran across two days with about five hours sleep.

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Speaker 2: So I don't believe anyone's born to do anything, but

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Speaker 2: And that's what it was like for me. People just

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Speaker 2: and you're running fifty miles sixty miles a hundred, like,

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Speaker 2: just letting my emotions almost take control of me. I'm

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Speaker 2: giving myself calmt, but I'm just letting my emotions drive

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Speaker 2: this has all come from a bit of trauma. This

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Speaker 2: is not like, yeah, it's internal. I can't I can't

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Speaker 2: I said, you just got to find your purpose. You've

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Speaker 2: got to find your why. That's the best. That is

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Speaker 2: the best way.

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Speaker 1: Would you fear for your mental health or be concerned

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Speaker 2: road trip, you know, from Melbourne and Darwin, and then

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00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 2: we'd crack on. Basically, about three days after we landed,

435
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 2: we're driving down Murray Bridge. We get caught up in

436
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: a hoorific accident. We've had to swerve in the road.

437
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: Our trailers sort of lost control at the back. We're

438
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: swerving all over the road about eighty mile per hour.

439
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 2: We flipped about three or four times down the motorway

440
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 2: and landed on the grass and we all got out

441
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: of the car and luckily, somehow, you know, there was

442
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 2: a god looking at for us, because we all got

443
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: out of the car absolutely fine, no cuts, no bruises,

444
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: and no broken bones. And we looked at each other

445
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: and thought, right, okay, everyone, okay. Our stuff was destroyed,

446
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: like everything we spent thousands on is gone. And me

447
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: and Josh were sat there like, right, can we get

448
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: some money and borrow a sprinter? We were still doing Australia.

449
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: There was not like going home. You know, I quit

450
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 2: my job. I've spent every money I had on this.

451
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not coming home empty handed. So we

452
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 2: looked and you know, it just we couldn't with the

453
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: money we lost, the time we lost to try and

454
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 2: get a new vehicle. We looked at our route and

455
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: because we lost so much money in time, we worked

456
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: out we probably would have got down to Adelaide from

457
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: Darwin running and then we'd run out of money. So

458
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: it was either we run from Darwin to Adelaide and

459
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: while we're running we try and get hold of companies

460
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: and say, look, can you fund us for the rest

461
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: of the trip, or we just basically have to shut

462
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: up shop and plan, plan something else.

463
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: There was no stage during that that you went, do

464
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: you know what, Let's just call it quits, Let's go back,

465
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: let's reorganize, let's replan. It was it was that was

466
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: that decision made. As soon as you got out of

467
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: the car, You're like, all right, let's see what's going

468
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: on here? Right this is destroyed, this is destroyed, but

469
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: we're here, so we're going to do something. It was

470
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: the adventure in us and that attitude never never waving.

471
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: Wavered, never wavered. You know, like I said, were Brits man,

472
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: we're adventurers. You know, we didn't want to come home.

473
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: We wanted to we wanted to carry on. And we

474
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: all sat down with my team and we said, look

475
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: like it was Josh and I's project. So our team,

476
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: as much as they had suggestions, at the end of

477
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: the day, Josh and I said, look, this is our project.

478
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: We've put a lot of money into this. We've done

479
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 2: the mass. We can't do the perimeter. It's just impossible

480
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: to do. It's too much of a risk. What we're

481
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: going to do is we've looked and there's a British

482
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: record up for grabs. Right, we would have done British

483
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: history by becoming the first Brits. And don't get me wrong,

484
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: someone would have beaten it eventually, but we always would

485
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: have been the first British people. So now it was like,

486
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: right now we're up a bit of a race. Now

487
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: we want to get this British record from Perpose Sydney.

488
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: This is what we're going to have to do. So

489
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: we basically sold every thing we had. We scrapped off

490
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: four by four for literally like less than a grand.

491
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: It cost us ten grand to buy that was that

492
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: was messed up. So we lost thousands like we lost thousands.

493
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: And this wasn't through sponsors. This was our own money.

494
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: So we rented a car. We drove from Darwin to

495
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: Perth without stopping. We all took turns driving, we didn't stop. Luckily,

496
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: we had some connections in Perth where we could stay

497
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: for four or five days. We got some money in

498
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: from family, we planned, we got food in, We rented

499
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: a motor home from Apollo Motor Vans and that was it. Mate.

500
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: We parked up on Cooslow Beach and we just touched

501
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: the ocean. At Coslow Beach and said, we're going to

502
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: touch the touch the sea at Bondi. We're doing it.

503
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: Josh and I went off and we started doing forty

504
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 2: k days, fifty K days, sixty k days. We were

505
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: cranking it right up, and we're doing We're doing seventy

506
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: five eighty k days in the heat through the nuller

507
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: board through the hottest part of Oustralia in coming up

508
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: to their summer. You know, I was running on roads

509
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: for four or five hours in a row and I

510
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: just felt I was in the same spot. You know,

511
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: it was just insane. And this is when I was

512
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: running in a null bar. I looked ahead of me

513
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: and thought, this is this is what I was fucking

514
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: built for. There's no one on this planet currently that

515
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: I felt at that time it just could outwork me.

516
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: That was the mindset I had. You know, no one

517
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: on planet Earth right now is running across the nuller

518
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: baar and forty one degree heat for hours and hours

519
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: and hours. It's me. There's no one on the planet

520
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: that can not work me currently. That's what I felt.

521
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: And we got through it and we we'd done it,

522
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: and you know, we had what we what our van

523
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: was doing was was driving twenty k up the road

524
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: and we'd run to the van and we'd restop our water,

525
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: our food, and we'd go off again.

526
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: So you'd have small reference points along the way that

527
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: you were working towards us. I suppose you know, breaking

528
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: it down now, Champ, that.

529
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: Help break it down, you know, like it was it

530
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: was seeing that van. You're running for hours and you

531
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: see a tiny little white square in the distance, and

532
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: you go, that's our that's our pickup point.

533
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: But you didn't have no physios with you, no nutritionists. No,

534
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: you were just living. What was your food? Like, what

535
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: food did you have?

536
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: Crazy? We were living off spam, pastors, noodles, Tim TAM's

537
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: sour cowboys cowboys you.

538
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, you turned mate already, you've turned already.

539
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: Didn't have we didn't have a nutritionist, we didn't have

540
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: a physio. We didn't even have like an ice bas

541
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: We had nothing, right And this is what I'm this

542
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to I wish Running Influences understood

543
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: is that we had nothing, absolutely nothing. We were trying

544
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: to ask our family for more money just so we

545
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: could buy food minimalistic.

546
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: There was literally you were just sustainable with with a

547
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: little bit of food. You had. You had a checkpoint

548
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: that you had to get through through a vehicle. That

549
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: who was driving the vehicle.

550
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: My friend Alaric. He's a good friend of mine. So

551
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 2: he came out to be the videographer. He ended up

552
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: being the driver, the navigator, the chef. Everything. Mate, he done,

553
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: he done everything, And and you know what it was?

554
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: It was I had. I had some old trainer's mate.

555
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: I had my old roof in T shirts, a bucket hat,

556
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: you know. And I always I won't change. That's who

557
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: I am. I don't I don't come from a privileged background.

558
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: I've just come from a very normal family. I don't

559
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: feel the need to have all this. I've never been

560
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: given loads of expensive staff. I've just gone this is

561
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: who I am. I'm going to run my work uniform.

562
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to run my Sunday league kit.

563
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: And where were you sleeping in the van?

564
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: Mate? I had had the double bed.

565
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: Buet sleep sleeping bag in the van.

566
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: Mate.

567
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Did you get nice and cozy with Josh?

568
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? That stunk a lot, you know, it stunk a lot, And.

569
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: Mate, I could smell it from here. You feel feebo.

570
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: And Luckily we had our own bed each because it

571
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: was a six man van. There was three of us.

572
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: We had our own bed. But but when you didn't

573
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: get when you didn't get a camp site that had

574
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: a plugin system and it was a free camp and

575
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: there's no air on nothing, you know. And but but

576
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: it got to a point where we got maybe forty

577
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: five days in and Josh unfortunately had to pull out.

578
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: He had to stop, He couldn't go on anymore. And

579
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: this is this is where for me, this this is

580
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: when I found out who I really am. So my

581
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: family we said, look, we're going to try and do

582
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: this running in sixty days. This is we're going to

583
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 2: try and take seventeen days off the British record. And

584
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: I told my friends and family we're going to be

585
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: there on sixty days, mark my words. My mum and

586
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: sister flew from bracken All to Bondai Beach for two

587
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: days to see me finish, and they were going to

588
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: fly me home. Josh got injured. I was gutted. It

589
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: was a tough day. We'd come such a long way

590
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: from that pub in Woking the mate to when he

591
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: crashed out. We come a long way together, Yeah, hats off.

592
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: And he's twenty one. He's not built for running, but

593
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: he ran about I think he ran about forty five marathons, right,

594
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: so he ran a lot. Honestly, he's going to be

595
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: a fantastic obviously he's He's one of the hardest lads

596
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: I've ever known. So he had to stop. And because

597
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: we lost four days, Aleric said to me, look, mate,

598
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: I've done the mass. He goes, your mum and sister

599
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: are flying in to Sydney. For you to be there

600
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: on the beach with them, You're going to have to

601
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: run one hundred and twenty k a day for twelve

602
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: days in a row. You're going to have to run

603
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: seventy four miles a day for twelve days in a

604
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: row to be there with them. And I thought, fuck,

605
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: this is insane. I've done ninety k. I've now got

606
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: to add almost a marathon to my days for twelve

607
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: days in a row. This is just this is this

608
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: is hell on earth. Hell on Earth.

609
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Insane, mate, that's insane.

610
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: You know what. Like there's a lot of ultrunners out

611
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: there that would would would would be fine with that,

612
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: but people need to remember I was a builder. This

613
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: is a strange territory for me.

614
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: Do you think that helped that you had limited resources?

615
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: Do you think that helped that you were you were

616
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: you were doing it rough, that you were doing it

617
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: the hard way, because sometimes, you know, I think you

618
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: can get a little bit too complacent when you've got

619
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: lots of assets at your disposal, where you've got lots

620
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: of opportunities to dip out, And shall we say, do

621
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: you think that helped you that you were actually living

622
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: and breathing it and you had no choice options?

623
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Like I said, I come from a

624
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: family that always got by. I didn't have everything, but

625
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: I never went without and I've never For me, I

626
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't have changed anything. I'm it gave me that sort

627
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: of dog mentality, you know, to be like, I haven't

628
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: got the best of everything. I haven't got the best food,

629
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: I haven't got this, I haven't got that. I'm going

630
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: to prove to all these running influences and all these

631
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: reality TV stars who get everything for free, that I'm

632
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: going to outwork you, regardless of my situation and regardless

633
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: of what backing I have. And that really pushed me

634
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: on to do exactly what I've done because you know,

635
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: don't get your wrong. Life's unfair. But however, you've got

636
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: to put yourself in these positions to get all this stuff.

637
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: I totally get that, you know, when you've got to

638
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: work hard, and the harder you work, the luckier you get.

639
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: But for me, I came from such an underdog background,

640
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: an underdog story that I was all in. I embraced

641
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 2: the chaos. I embraced the four hours sleep at night.

642
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: I was running for sixteen hours.

643
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: So when Josh pulled out and your Macha said to you, right, listen,

644
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: this is what you're going to have to cover per

645
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: day for the next twelve days. When those numbers were

646
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: thrown at you that you had to cover so many

647
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: kilometers a day, I doubt knowing you just this in

648
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: a short time, that that scared you. Did that just

649
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: egg you on even more?

650
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bang on. It was for me it was

651
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: survival as well, because I've wanted to be a motivation

652
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: speaker for so long. So if I ran these thirty

653
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: three marathons in twelve days, if I ran this one

654
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty k a day for twelve days off

655
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: the back of already running for six weeks, I was

656
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: on a four thousand calorie deficit a day. I got

657
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: so skinny. I dropped down to about sixty four kg.

658
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: So I was emaciated. And for me, I thought, this

659
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: is survival. If I do this, this twelve days of hard,

660
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: hard work, I will be on a ladder that I've

661
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: to decline for a long long time. This is survival.

662
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: I want this life for me so badly. I said,

663
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: I am willing to die now.

664
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you almost wish for that. You almost went into

665
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: those deep dark corners to find this very moment. So

666
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: this moment for you was like, these twelve days are

667
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: exactly I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. This is

668
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: exactly what I signed up for. And more, this is

669
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: my moment.

670
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: And I was running so much that I was collapsing.

671
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: I was clapsing about half ten at night, after running

672
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: for forteen hours. I was getting scraped off the floor

673
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: and the tarmac and put in the van. I was

674
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: waking up four and a half hours later. My feet

675
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: were swollen and cut. I couldn't even tight my laces.

676
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: I was having a bowl of porridge and some water,

677
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: and I was running for fourteen fifteen hours. Again, I

678
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: was doing it and my friends then said, mate, I've

679
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: just seen you on BBC News. The world's watching you.

680
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: Now, how are you still doing?

681
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: Ye? Do you know what? My dad was over me,

682
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: and there you go. My mom and sister spent a

683
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: lot of money to come out and watch me finish.

684
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: I couldn't let him down. I couldn't let him down.

685
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: And I kept going to the point where I was

686
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: suffering from psychosis. So what was happening was we've all

687
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: gone on a bender and had three hours sleep and

688
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: gone to work. We've all done that. I was running

689
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: for sixteen hours a day. I was sleeping for four

690
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: and a half hours, sometimes four hours. I was sacrificing

691
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: a shower so I could have more sleep, and I'd

692
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: wake up and do it again. And because my brain

693
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 2: never went into that full rest mode.

694
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: Well I couldn't. You couldn't allow it to write.

695
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't. Yeah, So I was waking up

696
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: and I just felt I wasn't sleeping. And there was

697
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: times where I was running into Sydney. I was getting

698
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: closer and closer, and I was visualizing people coming up

699
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: to me asking me where Moscow was on a roadmap.

700
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: I was seeing spit fires in the air. I was

701
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: seeing all sorts and this is when a packet of

702
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 2: tim tam saved my life. May I swear? So, I've

703
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: just ran ninety miles. I had a forty five minute

704
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: break and then I pushed on to run another fifty

705
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: sixty miles that was also be sat in the BBC article.

706
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: I had forty five minutes of just eating. I was

707
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: seeing things hallucinating, and I ran after that seventy miles.

708
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: I then had five hours sleep in the van, and

709
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: I said to my Muma's sister, Look, I'm not going

710
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: to finish. I'm not going to finish today. I'm going

711
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: to be here tomorrow morning, on the sixty first day.

712
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: I promise you, I'll be late, but I'll be there.

713
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing it. I'm finishing. I was. I was so skinny,

714
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: I was so hairy. I was. You could see how

715
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: gaunt I was. I looked like Colin McGregor before away In.

716
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: I looked so emaciated, and I thought, I'm doing it,

717
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: and the world was watching me because people were messaging me,

718
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: going mate, I've just seen you on the news. I've

719
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: just I've followed you on Strava like you are. You're

720
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: you're just a builder, You're just you're just a normal guy.

721
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: You're not a professional athlete, You're not what how how? How?

722
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: And I just said I'm going to do it. I'm

723
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: going to do it. And and my last checkpoint I

724
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 2: got out of the van knowing I had to run

725
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: fifteen k and I've done it, and I've done it,

726
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: I've done it. So I'm getting emotional already. Oh I've

727
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: got out of the van.

728
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: And oh, so good, mate, it's so good.

729
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: Put the union jack around me and I put a

730
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: photo over my family with me. I pushed on. I

731
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 2: had nothing left. I had nothing left. I had nothing left.

732
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: I was hallucinated. Apart from Timtom's mate. They kept me alive.

733
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: I swear they did. And you know, I pushed on

734
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: and I came down the hill in Sydney, very very hilly.

735
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: I forgot how hilly Sydney is or I heard it

736
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: was anyway, and I came down this hill, I saw

737
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: the ocean and Josh, you obviously had to pull out.

738
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: I said, look, you're running the last couple of k

739
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: with me. Mate. We've done this together, you know, we

740
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: started together. We're going to finish together, and he was

741
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: still injured, but he couldn't walk, and we ran the

742
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: last couple of k together, and my family were at

743
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: the beach. Everyone was there, and I went on the

744
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: sand at bon Dai and just looked up at the scar,

745
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: up my dad and got a dumb mate. I touched

746
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 2: the ocean at Bondai and done it, and I couldn't

747
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: believe it. You know, my phone was going off. It

748
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: was about half seven in the evening in the UK.

749
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: My phone was going off and I just sat down.

750
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: I just, I just I had to keep pinching my

751
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: arms because I had no sleep. I didn't know what

752
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: was real. I didn't know what was real and wasn't.

753
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to wake up in the

754
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: van again and go you've got to run again. So

755
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: seeing my family there, they didn't recognize Mete, they didn't

756
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: recognize me. I looked completely different. But yeah, that that

757
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: was it. And I flew home eight hours later, not

758
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: even first class mate nothing. I just my feet were swollen,

759
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: they were cut, they were bleeding. I couldn't even walk.

760
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: I've got on the flight home eight hours later and

761
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: flew home the same day.

762
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: I finish, take me back to when you first saw

763
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: your your mum on the beach. Did you do you

764
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: remember seeing her and how how did you manage to

765
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: hold your emotions back or didn't?

766
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: It was it was mental, mate. I saw my mom

767
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: and sister there, and loads of people were like, just

768
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: this is the English this is the English guy that's

769
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: went across Australia. I've heard about him, I've read about him.

770
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: This is this is insane, what's going on? And people

771
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: there watching me, cheering, and I ran down. I saw

772
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: my mum AND's sister and they said, keep going. You've

773
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: got to touch the ocean. You've got to touch the ocean.

774
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: And all the pain went, every every ounce of pain

775
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: completely disappeared. The second I saw my friends and family,

776
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: I just ran as fast as I could to that

777
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: ocean and I turned around, I touched the ocean. I

778
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: hugged Josh and I was like, mate, we've done it.

779
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: We've done it, We've done it. And I hugged my

780
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: mum's sister and I just said, get me home. I'm

781
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: a brack new boy, get me home, and you know,

782
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was. It was.

783
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: It was with the union jack wrapped around your shoulder.

784
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: That was it. Yeah, done it. I've done it for

785
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: my family's name. You know. That was the dame, my

786
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: family's surname, my dad's name, shook hands of history, you know.

787
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: That was That's all I wanted to do. And it

788
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: was amazing, you know, And and that moment, I don't

789
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: I don't really care for the record itself. The record

790
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: was the cherry and the cake. But the fact I

791
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: ran across Australia. I ran ninety five marathons in sixty

792
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: one days with hardly any food and money and sleep.

793
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: And I've done it. I've done it. I overcome massive

794
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: odds to do it. And and yeah, I just sat

795
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 2: on that BONDI beach mate out of Calzoni. I had

796
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: a muffin, I had a full English mate, and I

797
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: ate and ate and ate for weeks, for months even,

798
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 2: you know. But I remember finishing and straight away I thought,

799
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: I thought, I am so much more capable of what

800
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: what I already think I can do.

801
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: Mate. That's an amazing feat. You you know, especially with

802
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: most athletes, and I'm talking you know, you have to

803
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: be an athlete plus standard of fitness to do what

804
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: you've done, So you certainly are in that category. You know,

805
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: they go into races with zero distractions. You went in

806
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: there with a whole chaos, chaotic situation unfolding in, not

807
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: knowing how each day is going to come, Where you're

808
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: going to get your fuel, if you've got enough money,

809
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: if you've got enough food, if you're going to make it.

810
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: You know, your life leading up to that moment that's

811
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: just been that's just prepared you for that, because it

812
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: sounds like your life has been so chaotic You've had

813
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: to figure things out on the move, figure things out

814
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: in the moment in now, and really deal with your

815
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: headspace and your emotions, you know, as they present themselves.

816
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: Do you think that helped you to to tackle this

817
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: chaotic run and complete it?

818
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, for sure it was. It was I. I

819
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: grew up with the mindset of just get on with it.

820
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: Stop moaning. There's there's there's countries and you know, who

821
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: are at war, there's famine, there's there's this is that?

822
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: What have you got to moan about? Get on with it?

823
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: You know?

824
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: Make Can you imagine if you have all the support

825
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: and you have the backing and the sponsors for your

826
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 1: for your next project, you'd absolutely smash it. Mate. But

827
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: but then again there's that double edged sword of do

828
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: you perform better, like you said, under pressure, when everything

829
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: thing is against you, when the odds are against you,

830
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: or where are you going to perform better if everything

831
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: is put on a plate for you? What is next?

832
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: What is next for you?

833
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: Jack? So the plan is is now I've got now,

834
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 2: I've got a British record. I want a world record.

835
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: I want to I want to continue to raise money

836
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: for the SSAFA. I want to continue to help them.

837
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: And the plan is is to head out to Iceland

838
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: and to run one hundred k a day for eight

839
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: days in a row and get the the fastest ever

840
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: solo run from north to south of Iceland. I want

841
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: to beat the record by two days and that's the plan.

842
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: I even want to try and take more time off it.

843
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to go fill in as real sixty mile

844
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: runs a day for eight days in a row.

845
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: That's the plan and when you plan on doing that.

846
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: Hopefully twenty fifth of August. I've been training like a dog,

847
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: you know, I've been. I've been cutting a bit away.

848
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: But it's hard when you're when you just when you

849
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: when you haven't got, when you're not a celebrity or

850
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: an athlete. You've got a basically be your own project manager.

851
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: You've got to be your own personal trainer. You've got

852
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: to find time to work. I've still got a full

853
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: time job. I've still got my girlfriend to see, I've

854
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: still got friends to see. I've still got, you know,

855
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: other things to cram into the week. And what I'm

856
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: trying to do now is to build a team around

857
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: me that can do that for me. And I can

858
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: just concentrate on running, Just concentrate on, you know, beating

859
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: on my craft every day and training and becoming even

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Speaker 2: more strong than I already am. And like I said,

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Speaker 2: every run I do, I'll always raise money for the

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Speaker 2: s S a FA. I'll always inspire people who are

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Speaker 2: suffering and trying to overcome adversity. I'll always do it.

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Speaker 2: I'll never change from that. That is that's what's next

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Speaker 2: on the plan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jack, just you're talking about other people there unselfishly,

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Speaker 1: which is great because you want to inspire and you

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Speaker 1: want to let people know, very much like myself, what

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Speaker 1: they're capable of. And you know how powerful we are

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Speaker 1: if we use ourselves to our advantage. But I sort

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Speaker 1: of fear for you, mate, because I think to myself,

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Speaker 1: when this stops, when you can't do this anymore, what

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00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: happens to Jack? Because it seems like this is your

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00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: only option in life, to keep doing and putting yourself

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Speaker 1: through these you know, arduous and painful and sort of

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00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, relentless situations in order to deal with you know,

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Speaker 1: your your mental health. And I fear that when it

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Speaker 1: all stops, what happens?

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Speaker 2: So though, you know what I've never been asked that question,

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00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: and what I can think of now is I want.

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00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: I want my career as a as an ultra runner

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Speaker 2: or a motivational speaker to almost be like a film.

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Speaker 2: So then I work so hard at speaking, at running,

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Speaker 2: at meeting people and networking and becoming I've always dreamed

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Speaker 2: of being. I want that to I want to work

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00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: so hard that I don't have to introduce myself anymore

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Speaker 2: for the right ways. I want people to come up

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Speaker 2: to me and go, you stop my son taking his

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00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 2: own life, you stop my daughter doing this and that,

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Speaker 2: And then from then, if I can speak to thousands

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Speaker 2: of people and I can train people to carry on

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00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: what I've I've tried to start, that's enough for me

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00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 2: that's enough for me. If I can make it, can

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Speaker 2: find someone else to basically become what I've done and

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Speaker 2: my my you know, my humble beginnings of coming from

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Speaker 2: an ex council house and a nurse and a bricklayer.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's that's my background. If I can find

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Speaker 2: that in someone else, then I will. That's that's that's

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Speaker 2: why I want to go.

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Speaker 1: Well, mate, make sure you just keep pushing yourself and

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00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: listen to this project Iceland and World record run. It's exciting. Mate.

902
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to help you out with some sponsorship for that, mate,

903
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: so you've heard it here first, so listen. I'm on

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Speaker 1: board mate with you. I'm on board. I won't make

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Speaker 1: your life too comfortable, though, because I think if you

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Speaker 1: get too comfortable, you know you won't do it. No, no, mate,

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00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: really proud to you know, for all the Brits out

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Speaker 1: there to know that, you know, we still have these

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00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: you know determined you know grit determination and that sort

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00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: of dogged sort of you know, underdog sort of mentality

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00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 1: to just always push on, never give up, no matter

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Speaker 1: the situation, whether you're going to succeed or fail, is

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Speaker 1: just putting one foot in front of the other and

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Speaker 1: then doing it for other people, Mate, is very very honorable,

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Speaker 1: and I salute you for that, buddy. Listen, Jack, it's

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Speaker 1: been an absolute pleasure having you on my podcast head Game.

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Speaker 1: I know thousands, and you say this yourself, thousands of

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Speaker 1: people are going to get a lot out of this.

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Speaker 1: Is there a final message you want to leave the listeners?

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Speaker 2: It will go back to the saying I said a

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Speaker 2: while back. If you're not scared of dying, then you

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be scared of failure. Don't put passion into things.

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Speaker 2: Do things that you get passion out of. Focus on

924
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: that rather than you can put passion into so much

925
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: things it won't change your life. You need to do

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Speaker 2: things out and try and find what gives you passion.

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Speaker 2: Once you do that and you become good at it

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Speaker 2: and you feel like you can make money from it

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Speaker 2: and create a life from it, drop everything, throw all

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Speaker 2: your egulum one basket, never give up. Simple as that.

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Speaker 1: Love that Jack, Listen, Buddy, good luck with everything you

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Speaker 1: do in the future. I'll be a part of it.

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Speaker 1: Your next project, for sure, Listen. Mate's been a pleasure

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Speaker 1: speaking to you. Thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Mate.

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Speaker 1: You can follow Jack's next adventure on his Instagram page.

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Speaker 1: I'll put the link in the show notes. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining me on this episode of head Game. If you

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00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend. I'm

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Speaker 1: Att Middleton. See you again next time.