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Speaker 1: Tell me about this bacon you've developed. How does it work?

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Speaker 1: Now, this would allow for all sorts of information to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to be there, trust me. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time. Doctor Mark Rice, founder of Safety from Space,

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Speaker 1: a researcher at UNISA and NASA here having a close

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Speaker 1: look at what he's doing. Fantastic stuff here in South Australia.