WEBVTT - From Physio to Formula One: Kim Keedle’s Elite Performance Journey 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:12.559 Kim Ketele, Welcome to the Heartiness Podcast. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.440 Thanks for having me, so may you. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:19.320 You've got had a very interesting career, pretty non standard 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.360 for somebody who started as a physio. Probably in fact, 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.040 you probably landed the dream job. And tell our tell 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.800 our listeners. Just take us through a kind of a 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.600 tour of your career. Starting at UNI. Why did you 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:33.440 want to do physio and then ticket from there? 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.960 Yeah sounds good. So, yeah, I became a physio. I'm 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.960 based in Melbourne. Went to the University of Melbourne and 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.479 studying physio purely because growing up, I'd always had, you know, 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.840 an interest in sports, and I'd always wanted to work 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.880 with athletes, so I thought that physio was a nice 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.959 segue into into that career path, if that makes sense. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:52.760 Mm hmm. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:55.240 And really enjoyed the degree. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:56.680 But I'd say that one of the things that I 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.960 was a little bit frustrated with on a personal notice 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.440 that we spent a lot of time in hospitals and 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.240 doing public health stuff, which is great, that I had. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.440 More of a more of a yearning to learn more 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:07.760 about working. 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.560 With athletes and and sort of high performance and how 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.960 you prepare athletes and help them perform their best. So 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.479 I went then went and studied a master's in strength 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.759 and conditioning at Edith Cow and you just to add 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.760 that skill set to my repertoire. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.240 And they, by the way, they they're great, they're great 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.280 masters really really, I think Regon it's the I Regon, 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.240 it's the best in Australia. I was going to do 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.720 it that for a while. What do you call them, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.440 Professor Robert Newton Robert, Yeah. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.600 And the head of the course was an American called 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.800 Greg hath who's very, very experienced in strength and conditioning 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.800 through America. And then a lady called Sophia and Nympius 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.760 and who's exquisite if you ever have the chance to 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.640 see her speak about, especially around female athlete preparation and 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.960 athlete developments, unbelievable. So I came away from that course 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:57.960 feeling like I could now go and work in sports 0:01:57.960 --> 0:01:58.880 and understand how to. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.200 Prepare athletes and work with athletes, which was great. 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.960 From there, like all sort of young Australians do I 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.760 move over to the UK, because of course you did, 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.680 you know, we did the opposite to what to what 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.800 the Northern Hemisphere folks do? 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.200 They all move here? But you know, I had a 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:17.000 British passport. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.799 So as a young sort of mid mid twenties twenty five, 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.840 I moved over there. It's a good excuse to travel 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.840 Europe and see the world and have a broader experience 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.760 and what you can get in Australia as much as 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.959 I love Australia and ended up falling into a job 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.480 working at the University of Leeds, which is about three 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.320 hours north of London. I was working there overseeing all 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.959 of their sports departments, so all of their Olympic athletes, 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.840 rugby team, netballers, anyone that was on an Olympic pathway 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.360 or who they deemed to be like a scholarship worthy athlete, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.360 which was awesome working with students that have no money. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:51.359 They value your inputs so much. It's just little things 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.440 that you can do, you know, to really help them, 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.200 and the appreciation that they have from that is so strong. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:57.880 So I found that super rewarding. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.919 And then through some and Leeds are leads is are 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.760 cracking place at around the UNI. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:06.520 Yeah, it's Awesome's got a lot. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.040 Of history in it and stuff like that. 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:08.320 Yeah. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.079 So I guess for your listeners, Leeds is a it's 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.120 a you know, it's a city, but it's a small 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:14.920 enough city that you can still walk across it in 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:15.680 fifteen minutes. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:17.519 Everyone's super friendly. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.960 Northern folk are super friendly in the UK, probably more 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.160 similar to Australians, i'd say than you know, a typical Londoner. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.240 And so so for me moving over there, you know, 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.640 you can move to London and there's so many Aussies 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.640 and so many keyways that you can go there, and 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.680 you can just get very stuck in your friendship groups. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.600 But actually me moving to Leeds gave me a real 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.960 British experience. I created some real, you know, British, really 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.080 strong friendships with with British people who you know, I'm 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:44.760 going to be friends with for life. So that was 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.880 that was a really good experience for any personally. I 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.160 then sort of fell into Formula one. There was a 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.800 mutual connection through someone I knew. There was a doctor 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.960 working in Formula one who's an Australian. His name is 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.880 Luke Bennett. He now lives in Austin and has a 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.240 practice over in America. But they were basically looking for 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.600 a physio or a performance coach to come in and 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.600 help set up a performance program for a new team 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.080 called hass Formula one team. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:08.680 OK. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.480 Yeah, so working with their mechanics and engineers just to 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:17.039 help them be healthier and improve on themselves personally, because 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.240 one of the things about Formula one is, you know, 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.200 at that time it was a twenty race season. It's 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.000 now a twenty four race season. So there's a lot 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.839 of time spent away from home. There's a lot of 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.880 time traveling, a lot of time spent at airports and 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:32.119 in hotels, and you know, you're never in a solid 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.960 routine where you're eating home cooked meals and these sort 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.680 of thing. So it's just a big education piece and 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.400 creating a program to really help the mechanics and engineers. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.320 And then yes, sorry, and I was. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.920 Going to say that the mechanics and engineers they've got 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.680 to be really switched on as well, right, I mean 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.719 everybody talks about the athletes, and yes, it's demanding for 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.760 the athletes, but Jesus, I mean, Mulder sport is probably 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:02.760 the one where there's just more data and and instantaneous decisions. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.360 And everything has to be done super super quick. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:06.320 Right, yeah, spot on. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.239 And so you know, these guys are working long hours, 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.479 much longer hours than what the drivers are when they're 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.680 at the track. So you've got the mechanics who are 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.120 building the car, who are in you know, either super 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.040 cold garages or super hot garages, working long days. And 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.520 when I say that, you know, if someone forgets to 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.200 screw in a bolt, the car can fail. I'm serious 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.159 about that, and I've seen it happen, you know. So 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.400 if you have a lapse in concentration when you're a mechanic, 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.120 there can be dire consequences. And at the same time 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.600 with engineers as well, who are making decisions about how 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.240 the car's built, or they might be making strategy decisions 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.520 within race, and you've got to split the set second 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.840 to decide what do we go for strategy A or 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:43.280 do we go. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:43.880 For strategy B. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.200 And if you if you get the wrong decision, that 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.720 affects the outcome of the race, which then obviously impacts 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.000 a lot of people. So yeah, it's everyone thinks about 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.520 the driver, but it is a it is a brutal 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.080 sport for all. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.880 Of the team that's involved. So it's been fascinating to 0:05:58.920 --> 0:05:59.160 work in. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.480 And so talk us through your journey through motorsport. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.000 I long have you worked in or did you work 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.960 in motorshboard and who are you working with? 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.160 Yeah, so I was in there for eight and a 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.200 half years. I still have my toe dipped in a 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.800 little bit here and there. But so I worked with 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.240 Hears with their team for a season setting up this program, 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.920 and then from there I actually started working one on 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.000 one with one of their drivers, whose name was Roman Grojeon. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:30.080 He was a French Swiss driver. I was with him 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.919 for three seasons, which was incredible experience. He was towards 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.120 the end of his career, so it was nice to 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.240 work with an athlete who had already spent sort of 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.920 ten years in Formula one. He then sort of left 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.200 Formula one and at that time Oscar Piastri, who's a 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.160 Melbourne boy, a fellow Australian driver who hopefully a lot 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.839 of your listeners will know about, he was coming into. 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:56.560 Certainly well, I was at sorry, just a quick little interelt. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.640 I was at the air one whenever it was here, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.360 just recently, and the amount of people with an Oscar 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.080 of Piastree top on, it's incredible. He didn't even get 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:07.599 to start Draus right. 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.400 Yeah, So I'll tell I can tell a little bit 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.240 of a story about that in a few minutes. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:13.520 But okay. Yeah. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.200 So anyway, so Yes started working with Oscar when he 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.800 was in Formula two. So Formula two is like a development, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:21.600 a stepping stone into Formula One. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:22.160 Yeah. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.640 If you're win Formula two, then in principle you're going 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.560 to become a Formula one driver. And so I was 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.440 very lucky to work start working with Oscar when he 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.600 was nineteen in Formula two and we won in his 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.040 first year and then he progressed obviously to become the 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.080 McLaren driver that he is. So I worked with Oscar 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.720 for four seasons and I moved home back to Australia 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.480 a year ago. After being on the road for eight years, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.120 I decided it was time to come back to Melbourne 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.240 and start setting up ROUTSI. 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.680 Yeah, so tell us our little story. Yeah, we'll get 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:51.520 into the other hunt. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.560 I mean, it's a bit of a bittersweet story. I 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.880 still have a very good relationship with Oscar. We get 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.520 on well in some aspects, is almost like a little 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.360 brother to me. But prior to the race this year, 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.800 with all of the things going on in the Middle East, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.240 George Russell's performance coach, so the same job that I 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:12.240 would do for Oscar, but for George Russell, his performance coach, 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.280 got court in Gaitar and wasn't able to get a 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.120 flight to Australia. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.760 So the Tuesday prior to the race this year. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.880 I got a call from George Russell's management team saying, hey, 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.640 are you and Melbourne? Can you help us out this 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.200 week with George and be his coach for the weekend. 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.560 So I text Oscar. Oscar was all like, all okay 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.239 with it. So I ended up working with George, which 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.200 in some regards was a great success story because George 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.360 went on and won the Melbourne Grand Prix. Right, but 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.040 I was stood on the grid when Oscar crashed, and 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.679 on the next to the start finished line was the 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.439 Oscar Piastre grandstand, so everyone was in his T shirt. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.040 The excitement was high and I just turned around after 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:55.000 he crashed and saw this, yeah, look of sadness on 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:59.760 everyone's face. Massive deflation and even on a personal note 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:01.520 from me, right, a massive deflation. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:01.920 You know. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:03.959 I was working for George that weekend, but I still 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.040 care for Oscar so much, so it was it was 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:07.959 such a shame, but. 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.679 That's part of life and that's part of professional sports. Unfortunately. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:14.200 Yeah, it totainly is. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.320 So, so let's talk a little bit about, you know, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.480 being on the road and working with athletes. I've got 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.480 a good friends Jason Stacey, who's the performance coach for. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.839 Arianna as a rank of the tent y. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.760 Yeah, he's the guy with the bald head that where 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.280 she signs his head and. 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:38.480 Yeah, it's a great party check. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.320 But but yeah, I mean the amount of of of 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.840 work and preparation and and you know the time changing 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:51.679 time zones and and and you know circarean alignment all. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:51.920 Of this sort. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.240 So just just give us a kind of a bit 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.280 of a taste of the stuff that these guys have 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.480 to do. And were a performer coach, you know, where's 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:03.840 your remit in terms of. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:06.440 Preparing these guys. 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.200 Yeah, so I guess my role as the performance coach 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.800 was to take care of all of the oscars or 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:18.120 the driver's physical preparation, mental preparation, nutritional preparation, everything outside 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.439 of the car away from the track, so that then 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.480 the driver can get into the car and go and 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.720 do their job, which is to hopefully drive fast. So 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.120 it's a very very diverse role where you're taking care 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:31.040 of a lot of facets as you touched on Tennis 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.000 is actually very similar to Formula one in terms of individuals, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:36.920 so you know, you don't really have a big support 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.040 team where you certainly don't have a locker room full 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.800 of other footy players that you're sharing that camaraderie with. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.560 But also massive travel schedules. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.240 So Formula one is twenty four races over the course 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.080 of the season, spanning from sort of February to December. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:57.760 That includes races in Japan, China, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, US, 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.560 Middle East. So it's global sport and the travel therefore, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:02.680 the travel demands. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.280 Are just so high. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.560 I think they have about thirty jet lag moments over 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.959 the course of the year, so you know, just constantly 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.760 fighting jet lag and you know, making sure that you're 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.360 able to able to overcome that to then go and 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.160 perform on a weekend. But add in there, you know, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.480 adding then media commitments. Formula one is a global sport. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.360 I think eight hundred million people watched Formula one last 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.720 year since since Netflix has sort of brought it into 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.839 everyone's lounge rooms. It's a massive sport and it's growing 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.479 at an astonishing rate. So you know, adding media commitments 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:39.160 and then adding marketing commitments as well. Every brand now 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.760 wants to be associated with Formula One teams. Teams like 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.720 McLaren and Mercedes have got fifty plus brand partners, which 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.080 then obviously requires drivers to you know, service those spend 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.400 time with the brands and the important people there, so 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.040 you know, adding marketing and media days on top of 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.000 them having to rock up the twenty four races over 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.280 the course of the year and perform, it becomes a 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.439 very busy, especially for these young twenty year olds, which 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:03.080 is what most. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.800 Of them now, and presumably like when a REUS finishes, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.360 I would imagine that a lot of the team and 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.480 the mechanics they're loading up and they're going to the 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.360 next venue to get sat. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:16.120 Up and do all of that. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.240 And I'm guessing the drivers come a little bit later 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.920 and may be training, then get home for a while 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:23.800 and then go to the next places. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.000 But that'd be correct, yeah, spot on, spot on. So 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.480 it depends where you are in the world. But as 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.240 a general rule, so during our winter and Europeans summer, 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.600 there's a bit of a European season where there's maybe 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.880 eight European races in a row, So in that regards 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.520 during that time. Yeah, the Formula One drivers get a 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.840 chance to go home, they'll they'll leave straight away after 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:43.280 a race. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.240 A lot of them now live in Monaco. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.280 Because of the tack tacks tacks in the weather. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.360 Yeah that's right. Yeah, the climate is beautiful, is my understanding. 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:56.560 Yeah, but actually it's a it's quite a good community 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.640 there now because you know there are fifteen or sixteen drivers. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.960 There actually a good little community there amongst them, which 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.440 is quite nice. But anyway, so they'll clear out after 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.000 a race, go straight back home to Monico. They may 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.840 have to go to the UK to do some you know, 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.240 a simulate a day with the engineers or whatever it is, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.319 but then they will normally go back to a race 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.280 on a on a Thursday, whereas the mechanics and the 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:20.520 engineers are traveling for a lot of that time. So yeah, 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.280 that they certainly get to spend more time at home 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:24.520 than probably what the mechanics do. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:25.920 M No. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.240 There will be quite a few people listening to this 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.880 sort of corporates who who make travel across time zones. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.160 So so what what can we what can. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.640 Us normal people learn from elite sport in terms of 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.040 managing jet like. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.400 Like, what's what are some of the strategies that you use. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.120 Yeah, look, and I'll say, you know, there's many ways 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.400 to skin a cat, and also people tolerate with different 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.400 things differently as well. But certainly there's some great things 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.480 that you can do, and you know, websites that you 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.960 can access or apps that you can access to start planning, 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.680 pre arrive in new destination, so to start sleeping on 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.839 the time zone that you'd need to start doing, so 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.920 just having a bit of a body clock shift. And 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.680 then there's some nice things that you can do when 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.400 you land, and there's some different change trains of thought. Sorry, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.840 but basically, when you land, you want to start getting 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.440 on that time zone as soon as possible, get outdoors 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.920 in the morning, see sunlight, do a bit of light 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:22.840 cardio work, so it might even just be a twenty 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.800 minute walk or even I'll walk on the treadmill, you 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.840 know what I mean. But just to get moving, and 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:31.040 that's the biggest way to overcome jet lag, I guess efficiently. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:36.760 Now that's in theory, always easier said than done, but yeah, yeah. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.040 For me, that's the big one. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.640 And as soon as I get somewhere, I try to 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.040 get right into sunnight and I try to exercise, particularly 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.880 out doors. Like I think the worst people thinking people 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.120 can do is land somewhere and just go to the 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.880 hotailp that's right, that's right. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.520 Yeah, yeah, it depends what time you land, but that's 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.560 certainly true. Like the worst thing you can do is 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.400 have a nap for four hours from two to six 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.920 pm and then you're laying awake at three am. It's 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:04.920 a lonely it's a lonely, lonely place to be when 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.280 you're laying in a hotel room at three am staring 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:07.880 at the ceiling. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.760 That's time goes slowly when that happens. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.000 And without giving away too many secrets. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:17.920 So are you trying to get their their their kind 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:22.600 of nutrition aligned to sircurity and cycles as well as 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.960 they're traveling or before they're traveling. You know, you talked 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.520 about trying to get the sleep match to it. I 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.800 think when you eat has a big impact as well 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.440 on metabolism and everything in the body. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.160 Right, it does, absolutely, And look, it depends which athlete 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.360 you're working with. And you know, when I was working 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.560 with Oscar, he was still very young in his athletic 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:45.520 journey and so therefore you can't throw every bit of information, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.040 every tool at them, because they just simply won't be 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:49.560 able to take it all on board and therefore you 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.480 have non compliance. So you've got to try and choose, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.280 I guess get the most bank for back about what 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.720 you introduce. So sleep schedule is one of the things 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.560 for us, without worrying too much about the nutrition, but 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:06.240 certainly eating timing emals is great. And actually one of 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.200 the performance coaches from Formula one has since gone and 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.920 done a PhD in this sort of stuff in sleep 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.760 science and stuff, and he's actually just released an app 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.840 called Phase p h A z E okay, which is 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.280 probably going to be the world leading app in this 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.120 sort of stuff now. So it's a similar thing to 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.240 time shifter. You go in your update your flight details, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:32.520 it then gives you eating sleeping, light exposure, exercise exposure 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.040 or based on algorithms, which is pretty impressive. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.080 Yeah, that's nice because yeah, when you do a PhD. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.880 And it was actually my PhD supervisor when I was 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.240 doing then, he said, you need to realize that when 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.760 you finish your PhD, you're generally a world expert in 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.640 the area that you're that you're working in, right. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.360 I mean, you spend a lot of time studying it, 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:52.080 so yeah, you'd hope. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.200 So yeah, yeah, and you know, you gives me some 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.960 great advice, he says, you know, when you're doing your PhD, 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.440 talk to everybody you can and talk to the reach 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.280 out to the leading professors in your area, because they're 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.200 very open to talking to you while you're doing your PhD. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.400 As soon as you've got it, their doors shut. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:11.840 I don't want to know about it. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.720 Yeah, no, unless unless you come, unless you're coming back 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:15.320 in there live. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:17.920 That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah, so make the most of 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:19.000 it while you're still a student. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.040 Yeah, absolutely so, So tell us this, what what do 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:27.280 you think having spent all that time in elite sport 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:32.119 and you know, give us what's some nuggetive advice that 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.879 you have learned from elite sport that can apply to 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:36.520 everyday people. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.560 Uh yeah, that's a really good question. I think athletes 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.560 and every day people. 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:46.719 You know what you're sorry, What you have to remember 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.400 is that athletes are everyday people. You know, we put 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.680 them up on a pedestal and yeah, they're high achievers, 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.280 that's for sure, but at the end of the day, 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.320 they're just regular people that are doing a job to 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.080 an extremely high level. Right, So they have exactly the 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.520 same life challenges as us. They have, you know, exactly 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.760 the same emotions of us. They react to pressure exactly 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.199 the same way we do. There's no real difference. But 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.760 I think it's something that we always focus on, especially 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.200 working with Oscar because he was young. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.280 Is you know, he doesn't need to be perfect overnight. 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:16.920 But what we're doing over the course of three years 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.560 is we're just trying to improve on improve year on 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.480 year and get better day by day to help I guess, 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.280 bring the best version of yourself day by. 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.199 Day, if that makes sense. So I think that's the 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.640 that's the best way to tackle life as well. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.800