Speaker 1: Kim Ketele, Welcome to the Heartiness Podcast.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, so may you.
Speaker 3: You've got had a very interesting career, pretty non standard
Speaker 3: for somebody who started as a physio. Probably in fact,
Speaker 3: you probably landed the dream job. And tell our tell
Speaker 3: our listeners. Just take us through a kind of a
Speaker 3: tour of your career. Starting at UNI. Why did you
Speaker 3: want to do physio and then ticket from there?
Speaker 4: Yeah sounds good. So, yeah, I became a physio. I'm
Speaker 4: based in Melbourne. Went to the University of Melbourne and
Speaker 4: studying physio purely because growing up, I'd always had, you know,
Speaker 4: an interest in sports, and I'd always wanted to work
Speaker 4: with athletes, so I thought that physio was a nice
Speaker 4: segue into into that career path, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And really enjoyed the degree.
Speaker 4: But I'd say that one of the things that I
Speaker 4: was a little bit frustrated with on a personal notice
Speaker 4: that we spent a lot of time in hospitals and
Speaker 4: doing public health stuff, which is great, that I had.
Speaker 2: More of a more of a yearning to learn more
Speaker 2: about working.
Speaker 4: With athletes and and sort of high performance and how
Speaker 4: you prepare athletes and help them perform their best. So
Speaker 4: I went then went and studied a master's in strength
Speaker 4: and conditioning at Edith Cow and you just to add
Speaker 4: that skill set to my repertoire.
Speaker 3: And they, by the way, they they're great, they're great
Speaker 3: masters really really, I think Regon it's the I Regon,
Speaker 3: it's the best in Australia. I was going to do
Speaker 3: it that for a while. What do you call them,
Speaker 3: Professor Robert Newton Robert, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the head of the course was an American called
Speaker 4: Greg hath who's very, very experienced in strength and conditioning
Speaker 4: through America. And then a lady called Sophia and Nympius
Speaker 4: and who's exquisite if you ever have the chance to
Speaker 4: see her speak about, especially around female athlete preparation and
Speaker 4: athlete developments, unbelievable. So I came away from that course
Speaker 4: feeling like I could now go and work in sports
Speaker 4: and understand how to.
Speaker 2: Prepare athletes and work with athletes, which was great.
Speaker 4: From there, like all sort of young Australians do I
Speaker 4: move over to the UK, because of course you did,
Speaker 4: you know, we did the opposite to what to what
Speaker 4: the Northern Hemisphere folks do?
Speaker 2: They all move here? But you know, I had a
Speaker 2: British passport.
Speaker 4: So as a young sort of mid mid twenties twenty five,
Speaker 4: I moved over there. It's a good excuse to travel
Speaker 4: Europe and see the world and have a broader experience
Speaker 4: and what you can get in Australia as much as
Speaker 4: I love Australia and ended up falling into a job
Speaker 4: working at the University of Leeds, which is about three
Speaker 4: hours north of London. I was working there overseeing all
Speaker 4: of their sports departments, so all of their Olympic athletes,
Speaker 4: rugby team, netballers, anyone that was on an Olympic pathway
Speaker 4: or who they deemed to be like a scholarship worthy athlete,
Speaker 4: which was awesome working with students that have no money.
Speaker 4: They value your inputs so much. It's just little things
Speaker 4: that you can do, you know, to really help them,
Speaker 4: and the appreciation that they have from that is so strong.
Speaker 4: So I found that super rewarding.
Speaker 3: And then through some and Leeds are leads is are
Speaker 3: cracking place at around the UNI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Awesome's got a lot.
Speaker 1: Of history in it and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I guess for your listeners, Leeds is a it's
Speaker 4: a you know, it's a city, but it's a small
Speaker 4: enough city that you can still walk across it in
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: Everyone's super friendly.
Speaker 4: Northern folk are super friendly in the UK, probably more
Speaker 4: similar to Australians, i'd say than you know, a typical Londoner.
Speaker 4: And so so for me moving over there, you know,
Speaker 4: you can move to London and there's so many Aussies
Speaker 4: and so many keyways that you can go there, and
Speaker 4: you can just get very stuck in your friendship groups.
Speaker 4: But actually me moving to Leeds gave me a real
Speaker 4: British experience. I created some real, you know, British, really
Speaker 4: strong friendships with with British people who you know, I'm
Speaker 4: going to be friends with for life. So that was
Speaker 4: that was a really good experience for any personally. I
Speaker 4: then sort of fell into Formula one. There was a
Speaker 4: mutual connection through someone I knew. There was a doctor
Speaker 4: working in Formula one who's an Australian. His name is
Speaker 4: Luke Bennett. He now lives in Austin and has a
Speaker 4: practice over in America. But they were basically looking for
Speaker 4: a physio or a performance coach to come in and
Speaker 4: help set up a performance program for a new team
Speaker 4: called hass Formula one team.
Speaker 2: OK.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so working with their mechanics and engineers just to
Speaker 4: help them be healthier and improve on themselves personally, because
Speaker 4: one of the things about Formula one is, you know,
Speaker 4: at that time it was a twenty race season. It's
Speaker 4: now a twenty four race season. So there's a lot
Speaker 4: of time spent away from home. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: time traveling, a lot of time spent at airports and
Speaker 4: in hotels, and you know, you're never in a solid
Speaker 4: routine where you're eating home cooked meals and these sort
Speaker 4: of thing. So it's just a big education piece and
Speaker 4: creating a program to really help the mechanics and engineers.
Speaker 4: And then yes, sorry, and I was.
Speaker 3: Going to say that the mechanics and engineers they've got
Speaker 3: to be really switched on as well, right, I mean
Speaker 3: everybody talks about the athletes, and yes, it's demanding for
Speaker 3: the athletes, but Jesus, I mean, Mulder sport is probably
Speaker 3: the one where there's just more data and and instantaneous decisions.
Speaker 1: And everything has to be done super super quick.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, spot on.
Speaker 4: And so you know, these guys are working long hours,
Speaker 4: much longer hours than what the drivers are when they're
Speaker 4: at the track. So you've got the mechanics who are
Speaker 4: building the car, who are in you know, either super
Speaker 4: cold garages or super hot garages, working long days. And
Speaker 4: when I say that, you know, if someone forgets to
Speaker 4: screw in a bolt, the car can fail. I'm serious
Speaker 4: about that, and I've seen it happen, you know. So
Speaker 4: if you have a lapse in concentration when you're a mechanic,
Speaker 4: there can be dire consequences. And at the same time
Speaker 4: with engineers as well, who are making decisions about how
Speaker 4: the car's built, or they might be making strategy decisions
Speaker 4: within race, and you've got to split the set second
Speaker 4: to decide what do we go for strategy A or
Speaker 4: do we go.
Speaker 2: For strategy B.
Speaker 4: And if you if you get the wrong decision, that
Speaker 4: affects the outcome of the race, which then obviously impacts
Speaker 4: a lot of people. So yeah, it's everyone thinks about
Speaker 4: the driver, but it is a it is a brutal
Speaker 4: sport for all.
Speaker 2: Of the team that's involved. So it's been fascinating to
Speaker 2: work in.
Speaker 1: And so talk us through your journey through motorsport.
Speaker 3: I long have you worked in or did you work
Speaker 3: in motorshboard and who are you working with?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was in there for eight and a
Speaker 4: half years. I still have my toe dipped in a
Speaker 4: little bit here and there. But so I worked with
Speaker 4: Hears with their team for a season setting up this program,
Speaker 4: and then from there I actually started working one on
Speaker 4: one with one of their drivers, whose name was Roman Grojeon.
Speaker 4: He was a French Swiss driver. I was with him
Speaker 4: for three seasons, which was incredible experience. He was towards
Speaker 4: the end of his career, so it was nice to
Speaker 4: work with an athlete who had already spent sort of
Speaker 4: ten years in Formula one. He then sort of left
Speaker 4: Formula one and at that time Oscar Piastri, who's a
Speaker 4: Melbourne boy, a fellow Australian driver who hopefully a lot
Speaker 4: of your listeners will know about, he was coming into.
Speaker 3: Certainly well, I was at sorry, just a quick little interelt.
Speaker 3: I was at the air one whenever it was here,
Speaker 3: just recently, and the amount of people with an Oscar
Speaker 3: of Piastree top on, it's incredible. He didn't even get
Speaker 3: to start Draus right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'll tell I can tell a little bit
Speaker 4: of a story about that in a few minutes.
Speaker 2: But okay. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So anyway, so Yes started working with Oscar when he
Speaker 4: was in Formula two. So Formula two is like a development,
Speaker 4: a stepping stone into Formula One.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you're win Formula two, then in principle you're going
Speaker 4: to become a Formula one driver. And so I was
Speaker 4: very lucky to work start working with Oscar when he
Speaker 4: was nineteen in Formula two and we won in his
Speaker 4: first year and then he progressed obviously to become the
Speaker 4: McLaren driver that he is. So I worked with Oscar
Speaker 4: for four seasons and I moved home back to Australia
Speaker 4: a year ago. After being on the road for eight years,
Speaker 4: I decided it was time to come back to Melbourne
Speaker 4: and start setting up ROUTSI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell us our little story. Yeah, we'll get
Speaker 1: into the other hunt.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a bit of a bittersweet story. I
Speaker 4: still have a very good relationship with Oscar. We get
Speaker 4: on well in some aspects, is almost like a little
Speaker 4: brother to me. But prior to the race this year,
Speaker 4: with all of the things going on in the Middle East,
Speaker 4: George Russell's performance coach, so the same job that I
Speaker 4: would do for Oscar, but for George Russell, his performance coach,
Speaker 4: got court in Gaitar and wasn't able to get a
Speaker 4: flight to Australia.
Speaker 2: So the Tuesday prior to the race this year.
Speaker 4: I got a call from George Russell's management team saying, hey,
Speaker 4: are you and Melbourne? Can you help us out this
Speaker 4: week with George and be his coach for the weekend.
Speaker 4: So I text Oscar. Oscar was all like, all okay
Speaker 4: with it. So I ended up working with George, which
Speaker 4: in some regards was a great success story because George
Speaker 4: went on and won the Melbourne Grand Prix. Right, but
Speaker 4: I was stood on the grid when Oscar crashed, and
Speaker 4: on the next to the start finished line was the
Speaker 4: Oscar Piastre grandstand, so everyone was in his T shirt.
Speaker 4: The excitement was high and I just turned around after
Speaker 4: he crashed and saw this, yeah, look of sadness on
Speaker 4: everyone's face. Massive deflation and even on a personal note
Speaker 4: from me, right, a massive deflation.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I was working for George that weekend, but I still
Speaker 4: care for Oscar so much, so it was it was
Speaker 4: such a shame, but.
Speaker 2: That's part of life and that's part of professional sports. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it totainly is.
Speaker 3: So, so let's talk a little bit about, you know,
Speaker 3: being on the road and working with athletes. I've got
Speaker 3: a good friends Jason Stacey, who's the performance coach for.
Speaker 1: Arianna as a rank of the tent y.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the guy with the bald head that where
Speaker 3: she signs his head and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great party check.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I mean the amount of of of
Speaker 3: work and preparation and and you know the time changing
Speaker 3: time zones and and and you know circarean alignment all.
Speaker 1: Of this sort.
Speaker 3: So just just give us a kind of a bit
Speaker 3: of a taste of the stuff that these guys have
Speaker 3: to do. And were a performer coach, you know, where's
Speaker 3: your remit in terms of.
Speaker 1: Preparing these guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess my role as the performance coach
Speaker 4: was to take care of all of the oscars or
Speaker 4: the driver's physical preparation, mental preparation, nutritional preparation, everything outside
Speaker 4: of the car away from the track, so that then
Speaker 4: the driver can get into the car and go and
Speaker 4: do their job, which is to hopefully drive fast. So
Speaker 4: it's a very very diverse role where you're taking care
Speaker 4: of a lot of facets as you touched on Tennis
Speaker 4: is actually very similar to Formula one in terms of individuals,
Speaker 4: so you know, you don't really have a big support
Speaker 4: team where you certainly don't have a locker room full
Speaker 4: of other footy players that you're sharing that camaraderie with.
Speaker 2: But also massive travel schedules.
Speaker 4: So Formula one is twenty four races over the course
Speaker 4: of the season, spanning from sort of February to December.
Speaker 4: That includes races in Japan, China, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, US,
Speaker 4: Middle East. So it's global sport and the travel therefore,
Speaker 4: the travel demands.
Speaker 2: Are just so high.
Speaker 4: I think they have about thirty jet lag moments over
Speaker 4: the course of the year, so you know, just constantly
Speaker 4: fighting jet lag and you know, making sure that you're
Speaker 4: able to able to overcome that to then go and
Speaker 4: perform on a weekend. But add in there, you know,
Speaker 4: adding then media commitments. Formula one is a global sport.
Speaker 4: I think eight hundred million people watched Formula one last
Speaker 4: year since since Netflix has sort of brought it into
Speaker 4: everyone's lounge rooms. It's a massive sport and it's growing
Speaker 4: at an astonishing rate. So you know, adding media commitments
Speaker 4: and then adding marketing commitments as well. Every brand now
Speaker 4: wants to be associated with Formula One teams. Teams like
Speaker 4: McLaren and Mercedes have got fifty plus brand partners, which
Speaker 4: then obviously requires drivers to you know, service those spend
Speaker 4: time with the brands and the important people there, so
Speaker 4: you know, adding marketing and media days on top of
Speaker 4: them having to rock up the twenty four races over
Speaker 4: the course of the year and perform, it becomes a
Speaker 4: very busy, especially for these young twenty year olds, which
Speaker 4: is what most.
Speaker 3: Of them now, and presumably like when a REUS finishes,
Speaker 3: I would imagine that a lot of the team and
Speaker 3: the mechanics they're loading up and they're going to the
Speaker 3: next venue to get sat.
Speaker 1: Up and do all of that.
Speaker 3: And I'm guessing the drivers come a little bit later
Speaker 3: and may be training, then get home for a while
Speaker 3: and then go to the next places.
Speaker 4: But that'd be correct, yeah, spot on, spot on. So
Speaker 4: it depends where you are in the world. But as
Speaker 4: a general rule, so during our winter and Europeans summer,
Speaker 4: there's a bit of a European season where there's maybe
Speaker 4: eight European races in a row, So in that regards
Speaker 4: during that time. Yeah, the Formula One drivers get a
Speaker 4: chance to go home, they'll they'll leave straight away after
Speaker 4: a race.
Speaker 2: A lot of them now live in Monaco.
Speaker 1: Because of the tack tacks tacks in the weather.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah, the climate is beautiful, is my understanding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but actually it's a it's quite a good community
Speaker 4: there now because you know there are fifteen or sixteen drivers.
Speaker 4: There actually a good little community there amongst them, which
Speaker 4: is quite nice. But anyway, so they'll clear out after
Speaker 4: a race, go straight back home to Monico. They may
Speaker 4: have to go to the UK to do some you know,
Speaker 4: a simulate a day with the engineers or whatever it is,
Speaker 4: but then they will normally go back to a race
Speaker 4: on a on a Thursday, whereas the mechanics and the
Speaker 4: engineers are traveling for a lot of that time. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that they certainly get to spend more time at home
Speaker 4: than probably what the mechanics do.
Speaker 2: M No.
Speaker 3: There will be quite a few people listening to this
Speaker 3: sort of corporates who who make travel across time zones.
Speaker 1: So so what what can we what can.
Speaker 3: Us normal people learn from elite sport in terms of
Speaker 3: managing jet like.
Speaker 1: Like, what's what are some of the strategies that you use.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, and I'll say, you know, there's many ways
Speaker 4: to skin a cat, and also people tolerate with different
Speaker 4: things differently as well. But certainly there's some great things
Speaker 4: that you can do, and you know, websites that you
Speaker 4: can access or apps that you can access to start planning,
Speaker 4: pre arrive in new destination, so to start sleeping on
Speaker 4: the time zone that you'd need to start doing, so
Speaker 4: just having a bit of a body clock shift. And
Speaker 4: then there's some nice things that you can do when
Speaker 4: you land, and there's some different change trains of thought. Sorry,
Speaker 4: but basically, when you land, you want to start getting
Speaker 4: on that time zone as soon as possible, get outdoors
Speaker 4: in the morning, see sunlight, do a bit of light
Speaker 4: cardio work, so it might even just be a twenty
Speaker 4: minute walk or even I'll walk on the treadmill, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But just to get moving, and
Speaker 4: that's the biggest way to overcome jet lag, I guess efficiently.
Speaker 4: Now that's in theory, always easier said than done, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, that's the big one.
Speaker 3: And as soon as I get somewhere, I try to
Speaker 3: get right into sunnight and I try to exercise, particularly
Speaker 3: out doors. Like I think the worst people thinking people
Speaker 3: can do is land somewhere and just go to the
Speaker 3: hotailp that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it depends what time you land, but that's
Speaker 4: certainly true. Like the worst thing you can do is
Speaker 4: have a nap for four hours from two to six
Speaker 4: pm and then you're laying awake at three am. It's
Speaker 4: a lonely it's a lonely, lonely place to be when
Speaker 4: you're laying in a hotel room at three am staring
Speaker 4: at the ceiling.
Speaker 2: That's time goes slowly when that happens.
Speaker 1: And without giving away too many secrets.
Speaker 3: So are you trying to get their their their kind
Speaker 3: of nutrition aligned to sircurity and cycles as well as
Speaker 3: they're traveling or before they're traveling. You know, you talked
Speaker 3: about trying to get the sleep match to it. I
Speaker 3: think when you eat has a big impact as well
Speaker 3: on metabolism and everything in the body.
Speaker 4: Right, it does, absolutely, And look, it depends which athlete
Speaker 4: you're working with. And you know, when I was working
Speaker 4: with Oscar, he was still very young in his athletic
Speaker 4: journey and so therefore you can't throw every bit of information,
Speaker 4: every tool at them, because they just simply won't be
Speaker 4: able to take it all on board and therefore you
Speaker 4: have non compliance. So you've got to try and choose,
Speaker 4: I guess get the most bank for back about what
Speaker 4: you introduce. So sleep schedule is one of the things
Speaker 4: for us, without worrying too much about the nutrition, but
Speaker 4: certainly eating timing emals is great. And actually one of
Speaker 4: the performance coaches from Formula one has since gone and
Speaker 4: done a PhD in this sort of stuff in sleep
Speaker 4: science and stuff, and he's actually just released an app
Speaker 4: called Phase p h A z E okay, which is
Speaker 4: probably going to be the world leading app in this
Speaker 4: sort of stuff now. So it's a similar thing to
Speaker 4: time shifter. You go in your update your flight details,
Speaker 4: it then gives you eating sleeping, light exposure, exercise exposure
Speaker 4: or based on algorithms, which is pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice because yeah, when you do a PhD.
Speaker 3: And it was actually my PhD supervisor when I was
Speaker 3: doing then, he said, you need to realize that when
Speaker 3: you finish your PhD, you're generally a world expert in
Speaker 3: the area that you're that you're working in, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you spend a lot of time studying it,
Speaker 2: so yeah, you'd hope.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and you know, you gives me some
Speaker 3: great advice, he says, you know, when you're doing your PhD,
Speaker 3: talk to everybody you can and talk to the reach
Speaker 3: out to the leading professors in your area, because they're
Speaker 3: very open to talking to you while you're doing your PhD.
Speaker 3: As soon as you've got it, their doors shut.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, unless unless you come, unless you're coming back
Speaker 3: in there live.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah, so make the most of
Speaker 2: it while you're still a student.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so, So tell us this, what what do
Speaker 3: you think having spent all that time in elite sport
Speaker 3: and you know, give us what's some nuggetive advice that
Speaker 3: you have learned from elite sport that can apply to
Speaker 3: everyday people.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's a really good question. I think athletes
Speaker 2: and every day people.
Speaker 4: You know what you're sorry, What you have to remember
Speaker 4: is that athletes are everyday people. You know, we put
Speaker 4: them up on a pedestal and yeah, they're high achievers,
Speaker 4: that's for sure, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: they're just regular people that are doing a job to
Speaker 4: an extremely high level. Right, So they have exactly the
Speaker 4: same life challenges as us. They have, you know, exactly
Speaker 4: the same emotions of us. They react to pressure exactly
Speaker 4: the same way we do. There's no real difference. But
Speaker 4: I think it's something that we always focus on, especially
Speaker 4: working with Oscar because he was young.
Speaker 2: Is you know, he doesn't need to be perfect overnight.
Speaker 4: But what we're doing over the course of three years
Speaker 4: is we're just trying to improve on improve year on
Speaker 4: year and get better day by day to help I guess,
Speaker 4: bring the best version of yourself day by.
Speaker 2: Day, if that makes sense. So I think that's the
Speaker 2: that's the best way to tackle life as well.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, is you know, what am I doing
Speaker 4: different this year that I didn't do last year? To
Speaker 4: make myself a better person, or to make myself better
Speaker 4: at my job, or to make myself a better parent
Speaker 4: or partner or whatever it is. What have I implemented
Speaker 4: this year to help me improve compared to last year?
Speaker 4: I think that's a pretty safe way of working.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what about dealing with stress and pressure? All right,
Speaker 3: what sort of what sort of techniques do you use
Speaker 3: or do the athletes employ and what can can every
Speaker 3: day people use as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So, I mean I guess that athletes are
Speaker 4: lucky that they're well resourced. So we worked with very
Speaker 4: closely with a lady called Emma Murray, who's a probably
Speaker 4: one of Australia's best mind coaches. She's very successful in AFL,
Speaker 4: very successful Olympic sport and she's.
Speaker 2: Been I've heard of her, Marie, Yeah, you'll know her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's been great with Oscar so in that regards,
Speaker 4: you know, some of the things that have helped him
Speaker 4: massively is just making sure day to day he has
Speaker 4: a normal routine in terms of a structured routine. It's
Speaker 4: not a chaotic life that he's living or trying to
Speaker 4: keep normality within the chaotic travel schedule that he has,
Speaker 4: if that makes sense, Yeah, you know he then obviously
Speaker 4: he then will also do some visualization. People in day
Speaker 4: to day world might enjoy putting on some meditation or
Speaker 4: listening to some music to unwind at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, or having a pre bedtime routine so that
Speaker 4: that's consistent. So there's I guess there's many different things
Speaker 4: that you can do in your everyday life. And then
Speaker 4: it's just finding out what works for you.
Speaker 3: That visualization is really interesting. I mean because you show
Speaker 3: me a world class athlete. I saw you someone who
Speaker 3: does visualization, right, and I that that we can all
Speaker 3: do visualization about, you know, imagining your best self and
Speaker 3: what do they do or visualize a stressful event and
Speaker 3: you're dealing with it, and it's pretty it's pretty powerful stuff.
Speaker 3: I remember seeing I think it was Jensen Button. This
Speaker 3: was years ago, and it was a segment about him
Speaker 3: doing a lap on a race track but visualizing it, right,
Speaker 3: And so he's visualizing coming up to corner one, you know,
Speaker 3: coming around corner two, blah blah blah blah blah, and
Speaker 3: ended up within half a second and his visualization of
Speaker 3: what the actual race was.
Speaker 2: Like, right. Yeah, And it's impressive that they can do that.
Speaker 2: But that's exactly it. That's exactly it.
Speaker 4: And so for OSCO it will be you know, pre
Speaker 4: race will be doing a ten minute visualization and breathing
Speaker 4: routine about what's coming up.
Speaker 2: To help him prepare for the race.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're right, it sounds you know, I speak
Speaker 4: to everyday people about this as well, and it's a
Speaker 4: concept that sounds funny, but incredibly powerful concept.
Speaker 3: Marcus Aurelius, I've got his dary over my shoulder.
Speaker 1: Two thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: He was talking about visualizing your day or visualizing you know,
Speaker 3: the the challenges you would come up against and how
Speaker 3: you're going to help recop them.
Speaker 2: So it's been around a long time.
Speaker 3: It certainly has, and I think it was Michael Phelps
Speaker 3: said that at a major meat he used to do.
Speaker 1: In R visualization today.
Speaker 3: Right, it's like stuff is proper you know, proper training,
Speaker 3: isn't it.
Speaker 2: I mean taking it to another extreme.
Speaker 4: Even on top of that, Adam Petty who's a British swimmer,
Speaker 4: very British swimmer, his coach downloaded a stadium full of
Speaker 4: you know, crowd cheering and put that onto his headphone
Speaker 4: so he would visualize whilst there was crowd cheering as well,
Speaker 4: which is obviously you know, that's taking that to an
Speaker 4: extreme level.
Speaker 2: We all can't do it. Yeah, that's the depth.
Speaker 4: So you know, you walk into a packed stadium, you've
Speaker 4: already experienced that level of sound before you. Nothing is unexpected,
Speaker 4: You've you've prepared for every scenario.
Speaker 2: So that's that's taking into the.
Speaker 3: Extreme that that is that I mean that that that's
Speaker 3: pretty important, isn't it. There's guys at Plymouth Unit Portsmouth
Speaker 3: University have developed functional imagery training where it is basically
Speaker 3: you use all of your different senses, right, And I
Speaker 3: actually even think back to my military training in helicopters
Speaker 3: and we used to do a lot of simulator.
Speaker 1: Work where you know, your instructor would throw curve.
Speaker 3: Balls at you and all sorts of shit going on
Speaker 3: an emergency, so as you're just having to deal with
Speaker 3: all of this ship and you're massively stressed, and the
Speaker 3: whole idea is inoculation training.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, it's.
Speaker 1: Prefering you to deal with it.
Speaker 3: And I just I don't think that that the everyday
Speaker 3: person is kind of a word of how useful this
Speaker 3: stuff can actually be in.
Speaker 1: Their every day It's not just for lead athletes.
Speaker 2: No, it's not just for lead athletes.
Speaker 4: I guess the thing is is, you know, maybe it's
Speaker 4: harder for the everyday person to get exposure to this.
Speaker 4: As I said, you know, athletes have got resources that
Speaker 4: can be thrown at them and money to spend on it.
Speaker 4: So then it's just about you know, where can you
Speaker 4: find these resources for an everyday person to help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if any of our listeners that google
Speaker 3: functional imagery training, I'm sure there's some stuff that they
Speaker 3: can they can do up there.
Speaker 1: So so tell me this.
Speaker 3: So when did you decide to walk away from Formula One?
Speaker 3: And a lot of people would be saying, and why
Speaker 3: did you decide to walk away.
Speaker 2: From form Yeah, and a lot of people did say
Speaker 2: that to me.
Speaker 4: You know, I had people when I told finally told
Speaker 4: people that I was leaving, They're like, what are you doing, dickhead?
Speaker 4: You've got the best job in the world, you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, So I finished at the end of the
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four season and moved back to Australia, so
Speaker 4: about twelve months ago, now nearly eighten months ago actually,
Speaker 4: but I had probably known for a little bit that
Speaker 4: it was coming. I really enjoyed working with Oscar and
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed working within mcclar and the team, but
Speaker 4: you know, the pool for me to come back to
Speaker 4: Australia was too strong. And you know, whilst I loved
Speaker 4: working in Formula One, when you're working for an individual
Speaker 4: athlete in that role, you're very much dedicating your entire
Speaker 4: life to them, which was a sacrifice I was willing
Speaker 4: to make, but it obviously couldn't be forever. So I decided,
Speaker 4: probably at the start of the twenty twenty four season
Speaker 4: that it was I was getting much closer to the
Speaker 4: end of my Formula One career than I was, you know,
Speaker 4: at the start. But then I spoke to Oscar about
Speaker 4: it through the middle of the twenty twenty four season
Speaker 4: and he was great about it. He completely understood and
Speaker 4: I was leaving with the right intentions. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it was a great job, unbelievable job. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, you know, travel takes a toll,
Speaker 4: Spending time away from friends and family takes a toll.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of personal sacrifice in terms of missing
Speaker 4: mate's weddings, not being at birthdays, all of these sorts
Speaker 4: of things. And again it was a sacrifice I was
Speaker 4: very happy to do for that period of my life.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm now thirty six, and you know, at
Speaker 4: some stage I needed to come home and start living
Speaker 4: an adult life.
Speaker 2: And it's putting some rich.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, I described my time in the military.
Speaker 3: I think my reflection on it, it's a young single
Speaker 3: month's game, and our young single woman's game and.
Speaker 2: Spot on exactly.
Speaker 4: And I was single during the time, you know, which
Speaker 4: was almost needed because having a partner would have made
Speaker 4: it very difficult or at least made the burden a
Speaker 4: lot heavier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think people people appreciate just like
Speaker 3: any athlete, whether it's a golfer, a tennis player, you know,
Speaker 3: the ones that travel around these global events very different
Speaker 3: to be in, like a rugby player or an English
Speaker 3: Premier League player like me. I mean, some of the
Speaker 3: rugby players if they're in the you know, their job,
Speaker 3: the nice team, they're traveling a lot. But it's a
Speaker 3: lot of pressure on these athletes, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, you know, it just
Speaker 2: adds a different dynamic to it.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, you're spending time away from your family
Speaker 4: and you're spending time away from home, and you know
Speaker 4: there's different not issues, but you know, different pressures that
Speaker 4: arise when you're doing that. It's just part of the
Speaker 4: part of the job.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it does add a different dynamic for sure.
Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, sorry, just one thing something I
Speaker 4: always reflect on.
Speaker 2: Formula one. They're very lucky that they get paid well.
Speaker 4: Strives general rule not all of them, but a general rule,
Speaker 4: they're getting paid well. But you know, I think about
Speaker 4: tennis players who are outside of the top fifty and
Speaker 4: you know, we see, okay, you come to the Australian
Speaker 4: Opening in the first round, you still win sixty grand.
Speaker 4: That sounds great on paper, but gee, these guys outside
Speaker 4: of the top fifty, you've got a slug. You know,
Speaker 4: you're traveling to remote places, you don't know when your
Speaker 4: tournament's going to be over. You're having to pay for
Speaker 4: your training, to calm your coach, to come your manager
Speaker 4: to com hotels, afairs. It's a it's a brutal wife,
Speaker 4: it really is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And then you know the fact that you're
Speaker 3: so under the microscope. So you know, if you just
Speaker 3: thinking about the listeners, like, have you in the last
Speaker 3: six months made a bit of a mistake at work, right,
Speaker 3: And I'm sure everybody has.
Speaker 1: Oscar made a tiny little.
Speaker 3: Mistake, like like a split second mistake and millions and
Speaker 3: millions of people see it, and you know, coping criticism
Speaker 3: and all those people in the stadium like like that's
Speaker 3: frigging pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is pressure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, yeah, and you're right, you know, and
Speaker 4: the same. So the people who do the pit stops
Speaker 4: in Formula one. So during a Formula one race, part
Speaker 4: of the rules is you have to come in, you
Speaker 4: have to change all four tires to a different rubber.
Speaker 2: That's part of the rules. And the people who do
Speaker 2: the pit.
Speaker 4: Stops are the mechanics, right, So these guys are blue
Speaker 4: collar workers. They're not high performance athletes. They haven't gone
Speaker 4: through football academies or junior training programs. They're just mechanics
Speaker 4: who really like working on cars. And now you have
Speaker 4: to come and do a pit stop live in a
Speaker 4: race in two point five seconds. And if you're the
Speaker 4: mechanic that makes the mistake and the wheel doesn't get
Speaker 4: put on properly and the wheel falls off, and you've
Speaker 4: got a hundred million people watching it, and it's your responsibility,
Speaker 4: that's a mistake to make, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were lucky enough to be sitting in the
Speaker 3: groundstone across from the Petley and seeing all that happen.
Speaker 3: And I've seen one of the things. It was asked
Speaker 3: in maright and it screwed up and I was it
Speaker 3: had the wrong tie.
Speaker 2: It's just like, Fuck's right.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you that's a that's a high pressure
Speaker 4: situation for those sports as well.
Speaker 2: There's not a big enough hole they can find to
Speaker 2: hide enough.
Speaker 1: No, no, exactly.
Speaker 4: You know, that's part of the parcel and that's why
Speaker 4: you're with the team to support you that. And it's
Speaker 4: never one person's fault, you know, there's always a process
Speaker 4: that breaks down prior to that occurring normally, but still
Speaker 4: it's tough not to blind yourself.
Speaker 3: And presumably you over your time witness those gaye training.
Speaker 3: I mean they must drill that so often for them
Speaker 3: to be so and anybody who's not watched it, I
Speaker 3: just google the pet stop like it's freaking amazing how
Speaker 3: precise and quick these guys are.
Speaker 4: It is it is, And yeah, they do practice it
Speaker 4: a lot, and they've started, you know, since I started
Speaker 4: working in Formula one nine years ago, they've started to
Speaker 4: really take that more.
Speaker 2: Professionally as well because they understand that it can impact
Speaker 2: the race.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they are practicing it when they're back at
Speaker 4: the factory in the UK or wherever their factory is,
Speaker 4: and then practicing it, you know, up to one hundred
Speaker 4: times over the race weekend and planning for all scenarios
Speaker 4: as you said to make sure that they're not met
Speaker 4: with any unexpected curveballs.
Speaker 3: So is there anything that you've learned over your journey
Speaker 3: that you think you will keep with you forever. I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's a few things, whether it's physical, mental lessons learnt,
Speaker 3: you know, what would they be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess the one thing I've really learned from
Speaker 4: you know, one thing that I've taken away from working
Speaker 4: with athletes across all spectrums, but you know, particularly very successful,
Speaker 4: very driven athletes, is they are pretty ruthlessly focused on
Speaker 4: the goal that they want to achieve, and they also
Speaker 4: have a very clear understanding of what's required to achieve
Speaker 4: it and what's not required to achieve it. So these
Speaker 4: are the things that are important and everything else is noise, right,
Speaker 4: And I've really found out with working with these top performers.
Speaker 2: So that's one thing.
Speaker 4: And then I guess another thing that I another thing
Speaker 4: that really sort.
Speaker 2: Of I took away. It's quite a powerful lesson for
Speaker 2: everyday life. Actually was.
Speaker 4: I was working with Oscar and Monaco at the race.
Speaker 4: Oscar came second that weekend, which is unbelievable result for
Speaker 4: an Australian driver. You know, both Melbourne boys being over
Speaker 4: in Monaco, and for anyone that's been to Monaco, it's
Speaker 4: a an out of this world experience, just a completely
Speaker 4: different level of wealth and money and super yachts and
Speaker 4: models and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we woke up the next.
Speaker 4: Day and Matt Damon, the actor who's Jason Born, had
Speaker 4: asked to meet Oscar.
Speaker 2: So we went and met with Matt Damon.
Speaker 3: And Oscar's like nineteen or twenty, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And Oscar goes on, there's probably one person
Speaker 4: I can't say no to, and that's Matt Damon. So anyway,
Speaker 4: we went and met him. Awesome, really really nice guy,
Speaker 4: and we were talking to him. He was talking to
Speaker 4: Oscar and giving him a bit of advice, a bit
Speaker 4: of advice, and one of the things that he had
Speaker 4: said was he looking back on his career, especially when
Speaker 4: he was a young actor and winning a lot of
Speaker 4: awards and doing a lot of cool stuff, one of
Speaker 4: the things that he didn't spend enough time doing was
Speaker 4: just pausing in the moment and giving himself a pat
Speaker 4: on the back and acknowledging that what.
Speaker 2: Is achievement is really really good. And so we took
Speaker 2: that going forwards.
Speaker 4: And that's something that I always try to do now
Speaker 4: just in my day to day life, where if I
Speaker 4: achieved something that I want to do is just take
Speaker 4: a moment and actually, hey, you've done a bloody good
Speaker 4: job there, like congratulations and now you know, move on
Speaker 4: with it and go on to the next thing.
Speaker 1: I think that is really excellent advice.
Speaker 3: I can't remember who the professor was, who's done the
Speaker 3: research that choose that, and it's about savering. Savering success
Speaker 3: is that you should be saving it and cheer. I
Speaker 3: can't remember the details of the study, but ten to
Speaker 3: twelve seconds to reflect and siever and say, hey, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've actually done a really good job.
Speaker 1: Because I think a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people, particularly if they're gold driven, tend to be right,
Speaker 3: got that done? Right?
Speaker 1: What's next? What's next? What's next?
Speaker 3: But we do need to saver it to have it
Speaker 3: like process in our brain that will then help build
Speaker 3: our self efficacy and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's interesting you say ten to twelve seconds,
Speaker 4: because I didn't know that number, But honestly, that's that's
Speaker 4: all it feels like, is what you do need. But
Speaker 4: you know you need more than a second. But ten
Speaker 4: to twelve second seems about right. And like the other
Speaker 4: thing I would say is, you know, life just seems
Speaker 4: to be getting busier more and more by the day.
Speaker 4: You know, we're getting pulled in every direction in social media, family,
Speaker 4: cost of living.
Speaker 2: All of this sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: And so to actually just take pause, as you said,
Speaker 4: ten seconds and just give yourself quick pal on the
Speaker 4: back and say, hey, I've done a bloody good job
Speaker 4: here is super rewarding. And yeah, so that's one thing
Speaker 4: I really took away from that, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's a good piece of advice going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and look again, Marcus Aurelius pops up for me.
Speaker 3: I mean, he said he would get up in the
Speaker 3: morning and visualize his day and and do a quick
Speaker 3: journal about what values and virtues he wanted to express
Speaker 3: that day, how he wanted to be here, and then
Speaker 3: in the evening he would take his journal out again
Speaker 3: and he would reflect on his day and go here,
Speaker 3: here's what I said. I wanted to do what went
Speaker 3: well and what needs some work. And I think that
Speaker 3: that bookending is really really powerful because because it's we
Speaker 3: do need to have some time to reflect, to reflect
Speaker 3: on what has happened.
Speaker 1: What lessons am I going to learn from today? What
Speaker 1: went well? What needs work?
Speaker 3: I mean, athletes and elite performers do it all the time.
Speaker 3: We should be doing it.
Speaker 4: Right precisely, and you know, otherwise you blink and you're
Speaker 4: in the middle of June and you are.
Speaker 2: And we all know this feeling right, We all say cheesers.
Speaker 4: I can't believe it's already winter because half the year's
Speaker 4: already gone by, and you haven't actually, you know, slowed
Speaker 4: down to acknowledge it. It has been six months, but
Speaker 4: I've actually achieved quite a lot in that time. So
Speaker 4: I think book ending your day or doing something like
Speaker 4: that is great.
Speaker 3: So tell me what what what are you doing night?
Speaker 3: What was the and and leaving Formula one? Was that
Speaker 3: pretty daunting of a step? Did you have something layed
Speaker 3: up before you left? And so talk us through that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't daunting because I knew that the time was right,
Speaker 4: I'd done my dash, so it wasn't daunting. But at
Speaker 4: the same at the same time, I didn't have anything
Speaker 4: lined up. But I was quite happy with that because
Speaker 4: I ended up just taking nine months off, which was
Speaker 4: which was unbelievable. But admittedly, you know it wasn't It
Speaker 4: wasn't that easy to slop back into the sporting scene
Speaker 4: in Australia because you've been away for nine years, so
Speaker 4: you're out of sight, out of mind, no one.
Speaker 2: Knows who you are.
Speaker 4: Sport in general is pretty insular. You tend to look
Speaker 4: within your own industry or certainly within your own country,
Speaker 4: so teams over here don't necessarily understand what formula one
Speaker 4: is or what the role is that I was doing
Speaker 4: working with sort of top performing athletes. So anyway, no,
Speaker 4: it wasn't dawnt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go on, I was going to say, and a
Speaker 3: lot of sport doesn't have a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Also true also some sports, some sports heaps.
Speaker 1: A lot of sport does not have a lot.
Speaker 4: Of and that's very true as well. Yeah, so but
Speaker 4: you know, not that I'm asking for the world in
Speaker 4: terms of salary, but no, but I have ended up.
Speaker 4: So two AFL football coaches last year came up with
Speaker 4: the idea of creating a mentorship app because they obviously
Speaker 4: work love working with athletes. They've got incredible ip from
Speaker 4: being professional athlete to now being professional coaches, and so
Speaker 4: they started basically in putting all of their high performance
Speaker 4: coaching frameworks, all of their notes from their playing days
Speaker 4: to create an AI mentor which can be rolled out
Speaker 4: to many many people.
Speaker 2: So that's called pocket mentor. So I've started working.
Speaker 4: With them, which has been great, and you know, mentorship
Speaker 4: and coaching is something that I'm passionate about, you know,
Speaker 4: helping young athletes or helping young people develop, you know,
Speaker 4: is something that I've really enjoyed.
Speaker 2: So it's been a great challenge.
Speaker 4: And whilst we're using you know, sort of elite coaches
Speaker 4: and elite business practitioners and stuff to help shape the mentor,
Speaker 4: this is for everyday use. So this is for everyday
Speaker 4: people at home who have got pain points. Who are
Speaker 4: you know, they might be looking for self growth, emotional clarity,
Speaker 4: or general development to talk to an AI agent that's
Speaker 4: very structured and grounded with you know, evidence based guidance
Speaker 4: to help.
Speaker 3: So the AI has been fed that diet of their
Speaker 3: performancenots and things like that. So it's basically become an
Speaker 3: expert performance.
Speaker 2: Precisely, precisely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so much more structured and less generic than what,
Speaker 4: for example, a chat chip.
Speaker 3: Yeah you got you've got to get a different answer
Speaker 3: if you ask precisely.
Speaker 2: So chat ept is very affirmative. It just wants to
Speaker 2: say yes, and.
Speaker 4: Which is a great a great egovers every now and then.
Speaker 4: But sometimes you need to be held accountable, you know,
Speaker 4: or you need a mental like a true mental will
Speaker 4: hold you accountable, follow up on on how you're doing,
Speaker 4: you know, and checking emotionally and so that's what a
Speaker 4: real mental entity, not just a yes man who tells
Speaker 4: you how good you are all the time, even though
Speaker 4: it's not.
Speaker 3: I've actually asked GPT, can you please stop giving me
Speaker 3: platitudes when I ask you a question?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, any iculous.
Speaker 4: So on a personal note, I've loved it, and the
Speaker 4: app isn't launching it the Apple we launched in a
Speaker 4: couple of months.
Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, we're doing some some.
Speaker 4: Pretty cool things and some pretty exciting things, and through
Speaker 4: sports networks and Formula one wheld, we have some access
Speaker 4: to some pretty high performers. So we're going to contribute
Speaker 4: to the mentorship experience, which is going to be great
Speaker 4: and we hope it can help a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty cool. I like that idea.
Speaker 3: Actually, that's that's that's using AI in a very niche way,
Speaker 3: but one that cho's because a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of young athletes, you know, they don't have access to cultures.
Speaker 3: I mean my wife Kurli, who's a practicer in Japanese culture.
Speaker 3: She's been working with a young athlete who's just had
Speaker 3: had no coaching whatsoever, and just giving her some basic
Speaker 3: turns has just made a massive, massive difference.
Speaker 4: Precisely. And you know, this stuff isn't very accessible. You know,
Speaker 4: it's tough to get a good mentor or a good
Speaker 4: coach or you know, they're only available from nine to five.
Speaker 4: The benefit of chatting to a pretty grounded AI agent
Speaker 4: like this is one that's accessible anytime anywhere. You can
Speaker 4: chat to it at eight pm on your couch, you know.
Speaker 4: And two, it's cheap and incredibly scalable, so now anyone
Speaker 4: can actually access it as opposed to having to pay
Speaker 4: four hundred dollars for a coaching session or for a
Speaker 4: psychology session off or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty cool, it's pretty clever. I like that.
Speaker 3: That's I look forward to that actually coming right when,
Speaker 3: So when You're Regular is going to be released.
Speaker 2: We think probably mid year or around June.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so depending on the techies.
Speaker 4: Always always, that's been I mean I haven't come from
Speaker 4: a tech world, so it's been on a personal and
Speaker 4: been very interesting to learn about this stuff and going
Speaker 4: back to you know, at the start of our conversation,
Speaker 4: whereas like I'm always trying to add things to my
Speaker 4: skill sets, so this has been a nice thing to
Speaker 4: add to my skill set. But yeah, tech takes a
Speaker 4: lot longer to master than what I had ever envisioned.
Speaker 4: You know, as everyone that can use the Internet, we
Speaker 4: all think things are easy, but there's it's a lot
Speaker 4: more science and a lot more smarter people behind it
Speaker 4: working on it than I am.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and so what does the what's the exciting future,
Speaker 3: kim look like? Anything on the horizon that's whetting your appetite?
Speaker 4: Yes, I think this is probably the biggest passion project
Speaker 4: at the moment in terms of getting this to market
Speaker 4: and seeing this go live.
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be pretty rewarding.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, on a personal note, Look, I still
Speaker 4: am involved, you know, on the periphery of Formula one,
Speaker 4: so I'll probably stay involved in that a little bit.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, spending time down the beach, seeing my
Speaker 4: mates and then getting a bit of traveling as well
Speaker 4: is probably the most exciting things upcoming for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cool excellent, friends and family first and then travel
Speaker 3: rather than the other way around.
Speaker 4: It depends is in my good books and bad books.
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes it's nice to get over to a
Speaker 4: nice beach somewhere and just relax.
Speaker 3: Indeed, Ken excellent, thank you, Thank you very much for
Speaker 3: your time and good luck with the app. I think
Speaker 3: it's something that the world really neat. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: look forward to seeing that being launched. Where can people
Speaker 3: go to find out more about you? Because I believe
Speaker 3: you do speaking as well, So if they want to
Speaker 3: bring in for a speaker for their business or to
Speaker 3: find out about the app, are you in general, where
Speaker 3: do we send them to a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really good question.
Speaker 4: So the app is just pocketmentor dot com so you
Speaker 4: can look at that. Otherwise, yeah, I do do public speaking.
Speaker 4: You're right to corporates, and I think that's where our
Speaker 4: mutual connection is is through keynote speakers, so you can
Speaker 4: get all of my details.
Speaker 2: From them there.
Speaker 4: Otherwise I'm on LinkedIn like everyone is as well, So
Speaker 4: just Kim Keele at LinkedIn.
Speaker 3: Cool excellent all right, I appreciate it. Go on, enjoy
Speaker 3: the beach in this lovely autumn day.
Speaker 2: I will do.
Speaker 1: Jeez, thanks mate,