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Speaker 1: On Scolds Australia. This is the Reader Panicky Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Reader Panini Show. Coming

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Speaker 2: up tonight. The latest news poll spells more bad news

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Speaker 2: for the coalition, but it also shows a challenger emerging.

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Speaker 2: Adam Crichton. Michael Danbie will join you to cover today's

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Speaker 2: top headlines. Susan Lee is targeting Chris Bowen, calling him

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Speaker 2: a week link in the abanezy government. Professor in Pima

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Speaker 2: will join me to discuss that the Great Josh Hammer

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Speaker 2: will have the latest from the US, from seditious antics

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Speaker 2: to Trump's twenty eight point peace plan for Russia and Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: And Kinzisko Phil will join you later on the hour

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Speaker 2: to cover the latest entertainment and royal news, including the

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Speaker 2: fallout for Megan Mark will recreating another iconic Princess diet

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Speaker 2: moment and Left Is Losing It features Dansaki and Katie

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Speaker 2: Curic who have totally lost the plot and they think

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Speaker 2: that trump hating press corps in the US is actually

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Speaker 2: far too soft on the President.

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Speaker 3: That's a huge, huge problem because it's becoming more of

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Speaker 3: a Kremlin esque press.

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Speaker 4: Corps right and they've invited a lot of reporters from

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Speaker 4: very right wing media outlets, and you're right.

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Speaker 5: They usually say, I forget.

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Speaker 4: There was one example like did you ever believe that

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Speaker 4: you would be the peacemaker?

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Speaker 2: But first, support for Andrew Hasty as the preferred opposition

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Speaker 2: leader is rising as Parliament prepares for the final sitting

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Speaker 2: week of the year. In bad news for the Coalition,

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Speaker 2: the latest newsport shows Labor improving its dominant two party

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Speaker 2: per therred vote, leading fifty eight to forty two percent.

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Speaker 2: Core support for the coalition remains at twenty four percent,

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Speaker 2: the lowest level since primary votes were first counted back

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Speaker 2: in November eighty five. Voters were asked who should lead

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Speaker 2: the coalition, and while current Leadersism Lee remains a favorite

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Speaker 2: at twenty four percent, Andrew Hasty follows behind at fifteen

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Speaker 2: seen percent, followed by Angus Taylor and nine, Tim Wilson

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Speaker 2: on six percent, and Ted O'Brien on three percent. But

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Speaker 2: the key figure there is that forty six percent of

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Speaker 2: respondents didn't know who they would prefer. Joining me now

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Speaker 2: is Senior Fellow and Chief Economists at the Institute of

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Speaker 2: Public Affairs Adam Crichton and former Labor MP Michael Danby.

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Speaker 2: Adam will start with you. Party sources of told The

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Speaker 2: Australian that there is a possibility of a leadership challenge

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Speaker 2: before the end of the year. Can we cope with

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Speaker 2: another one?

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Speaker 6: Well, look, personally, there's not I think it's too early.

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Speaker 6: I think the party needs to sort out what it

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Speaker 6: stands for. I don't think it's the jockey. I think

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Speaker 6: it's the horse really, and they really need a clear

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Speaker 6: set of policies. I mean, Susanly does deserve a big tick.

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Speaker 6: I think for dumping that zero. I mean, it should

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Speaker 6: have happened much earlier. It took far too long, but

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Speaker 6: it has happened, and I think so, you know, she

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Speaker 6: should be given a few months at least to try

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Speaker 6: to take carriage of that very significant policy. You know, personally,

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Speaker 6: I have doubts that she'll be able to that's my

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Speaker 6: personal you but just you know, there's no need to

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Speaker 6: change over Christmas. I don't think the election is still

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Speaker 6: more than two years away.

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Speaker 7: They need a.

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Speaker 6: Policy on immigration first before they think about changing leaders.

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Speaker 6: I think, I mean, you've got Clara Oeil out there

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Speaker 6: at the moment, you know, giving these ridiculous tweets on housing,

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Speaker 6: saying the only thing the federal government can do is

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Speaker 6: build more houses to fix the crisis. Well no, no,

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Speaker 6: we can cut immigration right.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's another tick for Andrew Hasty, because remember he

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Speaker 2: stepped down from the Opposition front bench over immigration because

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Speaker 2: he did want to have some dramastic, dramatic changes. Michael,

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Speaker 2: I think it's the jockey and the horse. I think

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Speaker 2: the policies obviously need to be clear, but I don't

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Speaker 2: know if Susan Lee is the person to prosecute the

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Speaker 2: case because her own personal principles and ideology aren't aligned

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Speaker 2: with the direction the lives need to go. She would

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Speaker 2: be one of the backers of net zero, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: of that, though now she has to argue against it.

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Speaker 8: I think she's done relatively well since that change of

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Speaker 8: policy in argument, which seems to me since I know Andrew,

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Speaker 8: I hope he gets suspend at least one last idyllic

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Speaker 8: I think that would be very good for him. I

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Speaker 8: think it's I agree with Adam that it's too early

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Speaker 8: for the Libs to make another move. You'd have, my goodness,

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Speaker 8: all of the state leaders plus another cathartic move inside

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Speaker 8: the Liberal Party. But it's the election was only in

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Speaker 8: May Reata, we forget it. It's till May twenty eight.

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Speaker 8: They've got ninety five to forty three. The Liberals would

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Speaker 8: need to win twenty five seats, and I think Andrew

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Speaker 8: hasty and as leader or whatever leader with it more

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Speaker 8: cut through message would improve their result. But they're almost

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Speaker 8: in an impossible position.

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Speaker 9: I just agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I think that politics has changed, the twenty four hour

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Speaker 2: news cycle has changed. You can have these dramatic shifts

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Speaker 2: in the vote. You don't need to have two three

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Speaker 2: terms to get back into power if you've had a

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Speaker 2: landslide loss. And I think they need to do the work.

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Speaker 2: I just think think they are living in dreamland if

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Speaker 2: they think they can change leaders six months before an

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Speaker 2: election and convince the Australian people that they're fit for offers.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to say that, you know, these these

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Speaker 2: I think this are out.

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Speaker 6: I mean, no one's paying attention.

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Speaker 2: I mean forty six the third opposition leaders, you know.

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Speaker 8: So what I mean it doesn't have with people losing

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Speaker 8: and the Liberal Party, you were right, does have don

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Speaker 8: Quixote Chris Bowen on this side too, So that could

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Speaker 8: swing people y you know, back away from the windmills

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Speaker 8: towards reality.

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Speaker 2: Just one word answer, who would the would Labor Party

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Speaker 2: fear most out of the contenders?

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Speaker 8: They say Hasty, but they also say that he's the

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Speaker 8: one that they want the most because he's the easiest

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Speaker 8: to be It's rubbish. We don't know either way. It's

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Speaker 8: three years away.

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Speaker 2: It would at least give the Australian people a clear

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Speaker 2: choice if we had a Hasty in there. Now, let's

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Speaker 2: talk about Victoria and pre listened to. Alan has called

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Speaker 2: out the state's judiciary, saying they are too soft on crime.

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Speaker 2: In an exclusive interview with The Herald's sign Premier, Alan

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Speaker 2: claims her adult Time for adult crime policy was necessary

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Speaker 2: because Victorian sentencing had been too soft. She said, it's

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Speaker 2: sending a message to the brazen, violent offenders, it's sending

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Speaker 2: a message to victims of crime that we've listened to

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Speaker 2: those very clear views that have been put to me,

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Speaker 2: and that there's not enough consequences. And yes, a message

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Speaker 2: to the justice system as a whole. Well there you go, Adam.

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Speaker 2: To me, this is just weapon grade HUTSPA. Labor appointed

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Speaker 2: these soft on crime judges, uniformly left wing types, and

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Speaker 2: to these positions. How can they possibly feign surprise? Now, now, look,

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Speaker 2: that is totally true.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the crisis is one of their making and

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Speaker 6: now they're trying to fix it, so hopefully voters know that.

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Speaker 6: But you know, this was always going to happen. I

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Speaker 6: I think to focus too much on crime is you're

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Speaker 6: always going to get a labor so called crackdown in

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Speaker 6: neutralize the issue, I think because most people out there

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Speaker 6: they don't follow things as closely as as us, sadly,

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Speaker 6: and they don't know it was Labour's bail laws in

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Speaker 2: You know that triggered some of these problems.

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Speaker 6: The other annoying thing about this too, is it you know,

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Speaker 6: it kind of stigmatizes the whole status as if everyone

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Speaker 6: is committing more crime and it's actually a very small

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Speaker 2: But we are in a record breaking crime.

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Speaker 8: Yes, those magistrates are created in the image of the

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Speaker 8: people that appointed them, and that's where the problem comes from.

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Speaker 8: The laws are all there if they want to be

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Speaker 8: enforced or their nonsense virtue signaling, like the so called

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Speaker 8: mask law. Well, now the police have to come up

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Speaker 8: to some demonstrate and say, oh, could you please take

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Speaker 8: off your mask, and of course they should just take

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Speaker 8: it off them if they're involved in a riot or

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Speaker 8: demonstration that's inciting violence.

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Speaker 7: In the city.

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Speaker 2: And when they appoint these members of the judiciary and

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Speaker 2: labor have been very clever in the past and appointing

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Speaker 2: some very young people to the bench because it's they're

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Speaker 2: in that position for thirty years something.

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Speaker 8: Not just magistrates, also found in court and higher positions.

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Speaker 8: There are some people that you know, gossip amongst lawyers

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Speaker 2: If they're highly ideological. It helps if they're young, because

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Speaker 2: then they'll sit on the bench for thirty odd years.

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Speaker 2: Then they're in the running. Now, this is just incredible footage.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to play you. You will see this many times,

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Speaker 2: but every time I watch it, I'm enthralled all over again.

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Speaker 2: Billionaire James Packer unleashing on former Victorian Premier Dan and

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Speaker 2: who's calling him, amongst other things, human filth.

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Speaker 7: Daniel Andrews is about my least favorite person in the world.

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Speaker 1: I think Daniel Andrews not only ruined Victoria, he almost

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Speaker 1: ruined my life. I couldn't speak more lowly of Daniel Andrews.

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Speaker 1: I think he's human filth.

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Speaker 5: Jesus sounds like a Joe Aston column.

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Speaker 7: There you go.

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Speaker 10: I hope he sues me.

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Speaker 9: I hope he sues me. That's just incredible.

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Speaker 2: That was on Joe Aston's podcast, Adam. I wonder what

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Speaker 2: he really thinks that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, it was great. I just wish more Victorians

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Speaker 6: would also. I realized that that's a fair characterization in

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Speaker 6: my view, given the state that he's left. The state

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Speaker 6: need I mean just to take the balance sheet one

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Speaker 6: hundred ninety four billion laws of debt, I mean basically

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Speaker 6: can't be paid off. And he said that, and James

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Speaker 6: Packett does know his way around a balance sheet. He's

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Speaker 6: seen the state finances. They are very very bad. I mean,

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Speaker 6: whoever wins an nex selection has a really big problem

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Speaker 2: Well, James obviously has some personal grievances with I think

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Speaker 2: some of the laws that were changed whilst selling Crown

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Speaker 2: when it was in the midst of finalizing a deal.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why that happened the way he did.

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Speaker 2: But more broadly, for a politician who were told was

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Speaker 2: just a master politician, hugely popular, Dan Andrews is gets

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Speaker 2: a hostile reception just about everywhere he goes. From what

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Speaker 2: I can work out, I'm constantly getting reports from people

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Speaker 2: saying they saw him being heckled or some harsh words spoken,

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Speaker 2: even in his favorite horns. And I won't name them

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Speaker 2: here because I don't want to invite more aggression his way.

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Speaker 2: But I can't think of another politician in this country

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Speaker 2: who would be treated like that for the.

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Speaker 8: Primary really get into a golf club either.

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Speaker 9: Is that too?

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Speaker 8: I think the hatred stems from the harshness of the

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Speaker 8: COVID lockdown in Victoria, which was probably the worst in

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Speaker 8: the world. But the thing that I'm not upset about

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Speaker 8: how he affected packet deal, but I am upset about

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Speaker 8: the way he defamed Australia by standing on that military

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Speaker 8: parade to Kim Jong un. That's a picture that should

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Speaker 10: In for me.

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Speaker 8: I can't forgive and I don't think Australians will forgive

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Speaker 8: Dan Andrews for that ever, and.

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Speaker 7: When the government starts talking about penalties, you know they're

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Speaker 2: To Tasmanian asbestos has been discovered in a wind turbine

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Speaker 2: And they're building these solar farms, these wind farms sometimes

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Speaker 2: Stilting Khama, Lefty is Losing Ed plus Trump's twenty eight

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Speaker 2: it's time for Lefty is Losing It. Let's start with

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Speaker 2: Conspiracy theories, she says, like the Russian collusion hoax. You

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Speaker 3: That's a huge, huge problem because it's becoming more of

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Speaker 10: To Jen and Katie, seem very misogynistic realistically, So what

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Speaker 2: a lunatic. So growth now to a video that has

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Speaker 2: caused all sorts of uproar because the President correctly labeled

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Speaker 2: it seditious. Here we have Democrats calling for members of

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Speaker 2: the military to break the chain of command and disobey orders.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to play you ten seconds of this

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Speaker 2: nonsense right now. The threats to our constitution aren't just

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Speaker 2: coming from a road, but from right here at home.

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Speaker 2: Our laws are clear.

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Speaker 12: You can refuse illegal orders.

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Speaker 2: You can refuse illegal orders now. Typically CNN anchor Jake

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Speaker 2: Tappa has joined the Democrats in claiming that Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: is giving illegal orders to the US military and that

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Speaker 2: individuals could be charged for following those orders. And of

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Speaker 2: course He's far more upset by Trump reacting to the

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Speaker 2: sedition than the sedition itself.

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Speaker 12: President Trump's wildly inappropriate and potentially dangerous call for six

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Speaker 12: members of Congress to potentially be executed or hanged because

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Speaker 12: they issued a video reminding members of the military that

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Speaker 12: they do not have to carry out illegal orders. This

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Speaker 12: is over the FAA Act because Trump's reaction was so

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Speaker 12: out of control that this issue of illegal orders is

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Speaker 12: not a new one. There's this new movie out starring

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Speaker 12: Russell Crowe called Nuremberg.

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Speaker 2: I just love that after having a mass meltdown about

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Speaker 2: a so called insurrection, Democrats are now campaigning for an

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Speaker 2: insurrection quite openly too. And what about Jake Tappa referencing

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Speaker 2: Nuremberg the movie because his dim audience doesn't know the

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Speaker 2: actual history. Let's see it now from one of these

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Speaker 2: Democrats who call for members of the military to commit treason. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: here is Alissa Slotkin. I wonder if she can name

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Speaker 2: one illegal order that President Trump has issued.

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Speaker 5: Do you believe President Trump has issued any illegal order?

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Speaker 13: To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that

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Speaker 13: are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that

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Speaker 13: are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related

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Speaker 13: to Venezu.

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Speaker 2: What did she say, to my knowledge, I'm not aware

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Speaker 2: of things that are illegal. There you go. But she

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Speaker 2: and her treason as collaborators felt the need to create

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Speaker 2: a very well produced video calling on members of the

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Speaker 2: military to disobey lawful orders, to break the chain of command.

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Speaker 2: And it gets worse when she's pressed for examples. She

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Speaker 2: claims she was just talking broadly, and then she really

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Speaker 2: loses it and starts scrambling. She mentions Nuremberg and even

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Speaker 2: a Tom Cruise film.

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Speaker 11: It does imply that the president is having illegal orders,

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Speaker 11: which you have not seen.

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Speaker 13: I think for us, it was just a statement widely,

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Speaker 13: right I don't. I mean, look, you going back to Nuremberg,

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Speaker 13: right that, Well, they told me to do it. That's

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Speaker 13: why I murdered people.

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Speaker 5: Is not an excuse.

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Speaker 13: If you look at popular culture, Lily, you watch you

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Speaker 13: know a few good men like we have plenty of

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Speaker 13: examples since World War Two in Vietnam where people were

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Speaker 13: told to follow illegal orders and they did it and

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Speaker 13: they were prosecuted for it.

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Speaker 2: But you just said that President Trump had not issued

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Speaker 2: any illegal orders.

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Speaker 9: That would be the key.

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Speaker 2: Point joining me, now, is Newswork, Senior Editor at Large

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Speaker 2: at Article three Projects, Senior Council Josh Hammer. Josh, this

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Speaker 2: whole campaign by the Democrats has now been turned around

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Speaker 2: to attack Donald Trump because he said what they did

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Speaker 2: was seditious, tantamount to treason. How do you see this?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 2: Read it?

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Speaker 11: There's a lot to go a pack here. First of all,

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Speaker 11: can we forever dispel the notion that Alyssa slock and

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Speaker 11: Mark Kelly and these other notable Democratic leather officials or

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Speaker 11: anything other than essentially indistinguishable from Jasmine Crockett, aoc in

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Speaker 11: the most radical left flank. You know, they were sold

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Speaker 11: Senator is Kelly of Arizona, Senator Slocket, who we just

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Speaker 11: saw in Michigan. They were sold as moderate statesmen.

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Speaker 9: There They're not.

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Speaker 11: These are radicals, with very very very few exceptions. John

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Speaker 11: Feerman comes to mind, but they are really few and

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Speaker 11: from between. Their party is from soup to knuts, from

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Speaker 11: top to bottom, filled with revolutionaries, with genuine Marxist style

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Speaker 11: Western revolutionary surgeons who are here to topple the established order.

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Speaker 11: And that is what this insane video, this utterly insane

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Speaker 11: propagandistic video is attempting to do, It absolutely is incitement

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Speaker 11: to insurrection. That's what I called it on my show,

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Speaker 11: because that's exactly what it is. They are telling you

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Speaker 11: not to follow the chain command. The chain of commands

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Speaker 11: RITA is the sinaquon non of a military in a

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Speaker 11: Western style democracy. The chain of command is what separates

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Speaker 11: an active military ultimately subordinate to playing clothes officials. In America,

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Speaker 11: that would be the commander in chief. That's what separates

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Speaker 11: us in civilization from the barbarians. And they are cutting

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Speaker 11: at the very core of that. They are playing with

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Speaker 11: absolute fire here. Now, if they actually had one or

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Speaker 11: two examples that they could point to and say, oh,

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Speaker 11: according to our well detailed legal research, according to this

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Speaker 11: Supreme Court case, acordant to this president, blah blah blah

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Speaker 11: blah blah, this actually is illegal. Fine, maybe let's have

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Speaker 11: that conversation. I'm a lawyer. I'm very happy to have

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Speaker 11: that conversation.

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Speaker 2: But you just he she can't name a single one.

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Speaker 11: She literally cannot name a single possible order here.

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Speaker 7: So what are you doing.

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Speaker 11: You're literally encouraging the armed men and women of this country,

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Speaker 11: in our volunteer military, to disobey the chain of command

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Speaker 11: to get court martialed or potentially worse for that, and

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Speaker 11: then you're not gonna have your back because you can't

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Speaker 11: even think of an example on the furp of there.

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Speaker 11: This is so insanely crazy, Rita. And I guess the

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Speaker 11: final point that I'll end this filibuster on is I

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Speaker 11: will say this, Ever since the Butler Pennsylvania near assassination

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Speaker 11: of Donald Trump that happens almost a year and a

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Speaker 11: half ago, now, we've been waiting for the radical left

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Speaker 11: to tone down their comparisons about how Trump is a Nazi,

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Speaker 11: Trump is Hitler, Trump is Stalin. In that clip she's

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Speaker 11: talking about Nuremberg. Oh my god, I mean how she's

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Speaker 11: literally making the Nazi comparison there. They've learned nothing. They

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Speaker 11: have learned absolutely nothing, and most maddening to me as

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Speaker 11: an American patriot, they are putting our armed men and

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Speaker 11: women in our armed forces in harm's way by telling

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Speaker 11: them to commit insurrection without having their back. It's disgusting,

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Speaker 11: is discription, and at bare minimum, they should be expelled

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Speaker 11: from the Senate. Frankly, these reprehensible hacks, if nothing worse

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Speaker 11: than them.

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Speaker 2: And I also missed the point that if you actually

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Speaker 2: did live in a fascist dictatorship, which they think they do.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't be able to produce that video. You wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be able to post it all over social media and

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Speaker 2: get mainstream media coverage. Much of the mainstream media coverage

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Speaker 2: has been positive for those Democrats. What do you say

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Speaker 2: to the likes of say Jake Tapper, who has joined

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Speaker 2: them in suggesting that members of the military are in

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Speaker 2: danger of committing crimes by following illegal orders. He also

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Speaker 2: mentioned Nuremberg and Vietnam. He seems to be mirroring the

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Speaker 2: same arguments and putting this suggestion that the US military

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Speaker 2: right now is committing some sort of war crimes or

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Speaker 2: illegal acts.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, look, Jee Tapper is quintessential Trump drain syndrome left

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Speaker 11: wing commentator in the United States. This this is someone

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Speaker 11: who was upon a time was maybe center left. Jake Tapper,

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Speaker 11: once upon time was was not quite as far left

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Speaker 11: as as let's call it a medi Hassan or a

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Speaker 11: joyless joy read or someone like that.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 11: But but Jake Tapper drank the TDS kool aid with

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Speaker 11: every ounce of what the TDS kool aid consists of,

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Speaker 11: and at this point he's basically indistinguishable from that It's

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Speaker 11: sad because Jake is a man who really ought to

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Speaker 11: know better. But if Jake didn't know better than then

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Speaker 11: what he would realize is that the actual crime that

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Speaker 11: could that that could happen here is if you were

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Speaker 11: in the chain of command and you simply do not

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Speaker 11: follow the chain of command. Again, I cannot emphasize this enough.

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Speaker 11: I did not serve in the US r M forces,

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Speaker 11: but literally all my veteran friends who did emphasize time

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Speaker 11: and time again that the chain of command from the

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Speaker 11: commander in chief to the Chairman adjoined Cheese, the generals,

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Speaker 11: all the way on down. This is how the military functions.

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Speaker 11: And you play with absolute fire when you start to

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Speaker 11: play with them. If there is an order that you

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Speaker 11: were ordered to do that you that for whatever reason

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Speaker 11: you genuinely feel like you cannot do. There are remedies

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Speaker 11: available for you. You can seek a court martial, You

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Speaker 11: can go to a military court. We have military law

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Speaker 11: and military tribunials. There are various options to you. What

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Speaker 11: you cannot do is to just say, oh, my hands

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Speaker 11: are tired because you are illegal. You are not in

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Speaker 11: any position to do that. We have military judge do that.

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Speaker 9: There.

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Speaker 11: If Jake Tapper knew a damn thing about the law,

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Speaker 11: then he would know that.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about California. Who's going to take over

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Speaker 2: the reins from Gavin Newsom. It's going to be a Democrat,

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Speaker 2: and we know that it's a one party state. We've

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Speaker 2: had the front runner, Katie get out of my shot, Porter.

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Speaker 9: Stick could lose.

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Speaker 2: You're out of my shot, she imploded a few weeks

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Speaker 2: back during a friendly CBS interview. Was quite an extraordinary performance.

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Speaker 2: And we've got another big name contender, Josh Eric Swollwell,

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Speaker 2: he has some bold ideas of his own.

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Speaker 12: I want us to build a voot by phone.

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Speaker 2: Every California vote by phone.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we can do our taxes, do our you know,

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Speaker 13: our make our healthcare appointments, uh, you know, make essentially

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Speaker 13: your do your banking online.

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Speaker 12: You should be able to vote by pune.

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Speaker 2: Josh, Could it work? I've heard dumber ideas. Maybe not today,

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Speaker 2: but I've certainly heard dumber ideas. Could Americans cast their

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Speaker 2: vote on their fine.

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Speaker 9: Reader?

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Speaker 11: Eric Eric Swall someone whose IQ is one and a

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Speaker 11: half standard deviations below the mean on a good day.

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Speaker 11: On a worse day, it happens to be worse than that.

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Speaker 11: He's also quite possibly a Chinese spy. Let's not forget

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Speaker 11: the whole affair. Feng Fang. Feng Fang is a name

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Speaker 11: that many of us here have not forgotten. This or

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Speaker 11: this was the Chinese honey pot that Eric Swall was

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Speaker 11: was found to be romantically involved with a number of

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Speaker 11: years ago, and that has stuck with many of us

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Speaker 11: ever since that he has never offered a square explanation

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Speaker 11: for that, that that that entire scandal. I have no

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Speaker 11: idea what the hank Eric Swall thinks that he has

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Speaker 11: accomplished to put him in a position to run for

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Speaker 11: governor of the most populous day in the country. But

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Speaker 11: then again, did O, Katie Porter and Frankly did a

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Speaker 11: virtually all these other candidate who are putting their hat

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Speaker 11: into the ring. As far as notion of voting by phone. Frankly,

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Speaker 11: I think that America's elections are insecure enough as it is.

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Speaker 11: I would not be one to you necessarily want to

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Speaker 11: add an additional layer of insecurity. I think that there

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Speaker 11: are enough legitimate concerns, and if you look at the polls,

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Speaker 11: there are enough people who say that they do not

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Speaker 11: necessarily fully trust that their votes are going to be

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Speaker 11: cast and tagulated there. I mean, what could possibly go

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Speaker 11: wrong by relying on AT and T in a Verizon

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Speaker 11: and the various mobile cell phone providers to cast your vote?

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Speaker 11: I mean, I can think approximately a million to two

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Speaker 11: million things that could possibly go wrong with that picture there.

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Speaker 11: So no, that strikes me as yet another quind essentially

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Speaker 11: really really stupid Eric Swawll idea, which again is part

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Speaker 11: of the course because he's a pretty dumb man.

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Speaker 2: As the case, I just can't believe he's in the running.

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Speaker 2: You would think the entire Fang Fang affair, the fact

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Speaker 2: that he was in a serious relationship with a Chinese

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Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party spy, would to disqualify you from any

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Speaker 2: sort of public office for life. But no, here is

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Speaker 2: He's still wanting to be governor of California now. Secretary

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Speaker 2: of State Marco Rubio said earlier today that he was

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Speaker 2: very optimistic that negotiators could reach a deal to end

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Speaker 2: the war between Russia and Ukraine. Rubio had met today

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Speaker 2: with delegate with delegation from Kiev in Geneva, and he

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Speaker 2: said the issues that must be resolved were not insurmountable.

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Speaker 2: Now here from President Trump, He's got a twenty eight

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Speaker 2: point proposal, but he has a number of provisions that

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Speaker 2: Ukraine has previously rejected.

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Speaker 12: We're trying to get it engined.

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Speaker 14: One way or the other.

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Speaker 1: We happen to get it engined.

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Speaker 14: So you want to it.

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Speaker 7: Well that he can continue, that he can continue the

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Speaker 7: fighters with.

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Speaker 1: The heart out Josh.

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Speaker 2: He said. If President Zelenski rejects the plan, then he

681
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Speaker 2: can continue to fight his little heart at and he

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Speaker 2: wants an answer from Kiev by Thursday.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Look, so basseed of what I've seen from this plan

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Speaker 11: read the broad outlines of it are something that I

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Speaker 11: could see myself getting behind. There's one thing that I'm

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Speaker 11: less confident of. But Ukraine's gonna have to give up territory. Okay,

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Speaker 11: I've been saying that bluntly for at least two years now.

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Speaker 11: Many of us have been saying that blunly for years now.

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Speaker 11: Ukraine is not going to gain back territory. To this day,

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Speaker 11: no one has put a credible plan on the table

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Speaker 11: to show how Ukraine is going to in a post

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Speaker 11: war world, how you can convince Russia to simply give

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Speaker 11: up territory that it has actually acquired over the past

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Speaker 11: couple of years, So that to me seems like a

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Speaker 11: non starter. You have the typical hacks in the left

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Speaker 11: wing media of the New York Times, MSMAC, the hardcore

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Speaker 11: Slava Ukraine crowd. They're all saying, oh my god, this

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Speaker 11: is a Pudin plant plan they're giving away.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 11: I mean, Trump is a realist. He lives in reality.

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Speaker 11: So that is what's going on here when it comes

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Speaker 11: to some territorial concessions from Ukraine in the Eastern Ukraine

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Speaker 11: region of the Dombas, the Crimean peninsul and so forth.

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Speaker 11: A part of the plan that I am not certain

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Speaker 11: of yet, and it's going to depend on the details,

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Speaker 11: is this NATO Article five style security guarantee. Now, the

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Speaker 11: part that I think I could be willing to get

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Speaker 11: behind personally is that if I understand it correctly, there

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Speaker 11: is a ten year time limit on it for now.

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Speaker 11: It's not a perpetuity commitment, if I understanding correctly, similar

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Speaker 11: to NATO Article five. However, if Russia were to actually

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Speaker 11: then invade in the next ten years, which they probably

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Speaker 11: wouldn't to be clear if that guarantee were in place,

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Speaker 11: but if they would, there you're committeed US troops, British

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Speaker 11: troops French streets. I mean, that's potentially a very serious

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Speaker 11: thing there, right, So I would like to hear more

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Speaker 11: details about that before I offered it my enthusiastic support.

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Speaker 11: But based on what I can see right now, I

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Speaker 11: think that I think that it is clever and it does,

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Speaker 11: broadly speaking, map out with what I've been thinking a

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Speaker 11: possible piece deal could look like for the past.

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Speaker 4: Couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Now, now let's talk about the Epstein of files and

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Speaker 2: House Republicans, including James Coma. I have ordered Bill and

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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton to testify next month about their ties to

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Speaker 2: the convicted pedophile. And it was a staunch Democrat as well,

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. We forget that Josh. The Clinton's legal team

729
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Speaker 2: has earlier this month said their clients were willing to

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Speaker 2: make a written statement. What are the chances they will

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Speaker 2: actually appear and testify in person?

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Speaker 11: Oh, I think close to zero. I think they're going

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Speaker 11: to plead the fifth until eternity. Frankly, on this one,

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Speaker 11: I don't think.

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Speaker 9: I don't think.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 11: I don't think slick Willy wants anything near a microphone

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Speaker 11: when it comes to ask point blank, why were you

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Speaker 11: on Jeffrey Epstein's playing the little Leaded Express over thirty times.

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Speaker 11: I look, I mean, I don't think Bill Clinton will

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Speaker 11: get anywhere near a microphone. Hillary Clinton has been making

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Speaker 11: some of the media arounds here recently for god knows

743
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Speaker 11: what reasons. I don't really know exactly what he's trying

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Speaker 11: to do, other than to maybe griff to get another

745
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Speaker 11: multimillion dollar book dealer or something like that. But maybe

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Speaker 11: there's a world in which he'll rely could appear before

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Speaker 11: the microphone, because she just has an utterly insatiable appetite,

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Speaker 11: even at the late stage of her feckless career, to

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Speaker 11: sip before the cameras in preem But I put the

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Speaker 11: odds there pretty low as well. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 11: I think they will plead the fifth, they will do

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Speaker 11: some statement there, But your broader point is important. Jeffrey

753
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Speaker 11: Epstein was a hardcore Democrat. He was a hardcore Democrat.

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Speaker 11: He hated Trump, by the way, That's why he was

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Speaker 11: texting Stacy Plaskett, the US Virgin Islands Congress Woolman during

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Speaker 11: that twenty nineteen Michael Cohen here. He was literally texting

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Speaker 11: her get Trump talking points in real time. He despised

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump because Donald Trump kicked him outamar Lago. Because

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump became a very successful person without getting involved

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Speaker 11: in horrific pedophilia and child sex trafficking operations, unlike Jeffrey

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Speaker 11: Epstein there. So he was a hardcore Democrat there. And frankly,

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Speaker 11: if Chuck Schumer, Hakim Jeffries and wrote Keahona, all these

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Speaker 11: Democrats had an immorsal an ounce of intellectual consistency there.

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Speaker 11: They will be asking all the questions ten times as

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Speaker 11: much when it comes to Bill Clinton as they are

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Speaker 11: with respect to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And Michael Wolfe, was also a vehement anti Trumper,

768
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Speaker 2: said in a recent interview that Jeffrey Epstein believed that

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump may have been the one who first alerted

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Speaker 2: authorities to what was happening at his property, and he

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Speaker 2: hated him ever since. So this whole narrative and the

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Speaker 2: fact that he chucked him out of marri Lago back

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight. But you mentioned Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 2: She does have an insatiable appetite for attention. And she

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Speaker 2: did another appearance and she explained that she's been daydreaming

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Speaker 2: about a Goodbye Trump announcement.

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Speaker 14: You know what this reminds me of as I wish

778
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Speaker 14: that there could be like a huge national sound system

779
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Speaker 14: and we would all wake up and they attention.

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Speaker 2: We have found the problem, and we have solved that

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Speaker 2: he has gone. She is still around. But if she's

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Speaker 2: still a force to be reckoned with, we hear from

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Speaker 2: her a lot. We don't hear much from Bill Clinton

784
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Speaker 2: these days. Why are these appearances happening to the Democrats

785
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Speaker 2: think she still has some sway with the American electorate.

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Speaker 11: It's a very good question. I don't claim to fully

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Speaker 11: understand the phenomenon myself. I, even subjected to the various

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Speaker 11: tortures of watching the Clinton crime family, do these interviews

789
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Speaker 11: for my entire adult life rita and I can't get

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Speaker 11: them off my TV screen quickly enough. I suspect that

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Speaker 11: there are many folks here in the United States who

792
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Speaker 11: feel the same way that I do.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 11: The Clintons were a famously moderate Democratic family. They have

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Speaker 11: moved considerably far to the left as the party has

796
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Speaker 11: moved further and further to the left, just to try

797
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 11: to fit in with the times. They must clearly think

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Speaker 11: that Hillary offers something I guess superstar power if nothing

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Speaker 11: else there I mean Hillary Clinton and Broack Obama, I

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Speaker 11: suppose to this day are the two most famous Democrats alive, right,

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Speaker 11: I mean, I'm not sure who else will be. It's

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Speaker 11: definitely not Joe Bien, that's for sure. So I mean,

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Speaker 11: those are the two who I guess still offer some

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Speaker 11: semblance of quote unquote star power. But look, Rita, I mean,

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Speaker 11: the Clinton's had I've been dealing with crimes here for

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Speaker 11: almost a half century, literally going back to Whitewater in

807
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Speaker 11: Arkansas in the late nineteen seventies. I mean, there are

808
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Speaker 11: so many skeletons in that family's closet. And I think

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Speaker 11: as American people, especially start talking about Epstein a little more,

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Speaker 11: a lot of this Clinton related Epstein drama is going

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Speaker 11: to start to percolate more and more of the service there.

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Speaker 11: So maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm a little pollyanna ish,

813
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Speaker 11: let's say, but but I think that there's a chance

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Speaker 11: that the Epstein thing, coming as front and center as

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Speaker 11: it is about to come here in the United States,

816
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Speaker 11: could lead to Hillary entering stage left. And the boy,

817
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Speaker 11: could that not come soon and quickly enough?

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Speaker 2: That could just be wishful thinking there, Josh, But we'll

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Speaker 2: watch and say Josh Habba, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your time. Thank you still to come. And Meghan Markle

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Speaker 2: recreates another iconic Princess di image, Kinsey's Schofield We'll have.

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Speaker 9: The details, Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is celebrity and world commentator Kinsey Schofield.

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Speaker 9: Kinsey.

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Speaker 2: Meghan Markol has come under fire for recreating Diana's famous

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Speaker 2: cross legged photoshoot for Half as Bizarre and Kinsey, this

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Speaker 2: isn't the first time she has recreated some of Diana's

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Speaker 2: most iconic looks. I don't know what running app.

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Speaker 5: Oh, yes you do.

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Speaker 10: You know when someone lacks a clear sense of identity

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Speaker 10: or direction, they start to lean on imitation, And Meghan

832
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Speaker 10: is such a polarizing figure she must think cars playing

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Speaker 10: Princess Diana will help her absorb some of the warmth

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Speaker 10: people still feel for Die. But Megan's Harper's Bizarre spread

835
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Speaker 10: doesn't feel like inspiration. It feels like replication. The parallels

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Speaker 10: to Princess Diana's Vanity Fair Chute are so deliberate that

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Speaker 10: they come off as vulgar, and it raises real questions

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Speaker 10: about how Prince Harry copes with seeing his wife recreate

839
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Speaker 10: images tied to his mother's final years, and still has

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Speaker 10: not established an identity of her own. You know, without

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Speaker 10: a strong intercompass, it becomes much easier to borrow someone

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Speaker 10: else's legacy instead of building your own. And the Harper's

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Speaker 10: bizarre piece underscores a large running issue with Meghan's public presentation.

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Speaker 10: There is no sense of purpose, no clear message. It

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Speaker 10: feels like someone sharing something. It feels less like someone

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Speaker 10: sharing something meaningful and more like someone trying to stay

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Speaker 10: in the spotlight for the sake of it.

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Speaker 2: I tell you, if Diana was around, none of this

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Speaker 2: would be happening. I think she would have nipped this

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Speaker 2: Meghan Michael business in the bud early on. She would

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Speaker 2: have seen her coming from a million miles away. And

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Speaker 2: it seems like the late Prince Philip maybe saw her coming.

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Speaker 2: He allegedly gave Prince Harry a warning about getting married

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Speaker 2: to Meghan Michael ahead of the wedding in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: The interaction was detailed in royal biographer Andrew Lowney's book

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Speaker 2: entitled The Duke of Edinburgh allegedly told her Harry one

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Speaker 2: steps out with actresses, one doesn't marry them, Kinsey, that

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Speaker 2: would be hilarious if it was accurate, and I've got

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Speaker 2: a feeling it is accurate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've heard that from multiple sources.

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Speaker 10: And according to royal author Ingrid Seward, Prince Philip privately

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Speaker 10: referred to Meghan as the Duchess of Windsor, comparing her

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Speaker 10: to Wallace Simpson. And you know, she stresses that Prince

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Speaker 10: Philip warned the Queen to be cautious of Megan. There's

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Speaker 10: also the royal butler Grant Harold's account of Philip saying

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Speaker 10: to Queen Elizabeth, thank f that's over as they left

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Speaker 10: Harry and Meghan's wedding. So, I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 10: pretty confident that Prince Philip wasn't a fan.

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Speaker 2: Now we're hearing more about what went on at Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: Epstein's infamous party at his New York mansion in twenty ten.

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Speaker 2: Former mbsc an Katie Couric sat around a table with

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Speaker 2: Epstein for cocktails and lasagna, yep choosing to break bread

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Speaker 2: with a convicted set offender, and they apparently talked about

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Speaker 2: international politics. Of course they did, Kinsey, what else can

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Speaker 2: you tell us?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, she's also was teasing Prince Andrew at the time.

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Speaker 10: Andrew Mount Mountain Windsor now about William and Catherine's wedding,

878
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Speaker 10: asking if she could have a cell phone number so

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Speaker 10: she could call him during the ceremony.

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Speaker 5: I mean, to your point, I just want to remind.

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Speaker 10: Everybody to remember that visual of Katie curt cozied up

882
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 10: to Jeffrey Epstein every time she lashes out and makes

883
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Speaker 10: allegations against our president. Katie has been so hostile about

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Speaker 10: Trump's relationship with Epstein when all of Epstein's victims have

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00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 10: said Trump was nothing but kind to them and there

886
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 10: was no inappropriate behavior. You know, Katie claimed ignorance about

887
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Speaker 10: this event and about these people. But former Vanity Fair

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Speaker 10: editor Tina Brown was astute enough to turn down the invitation.

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Speaker 5: She now calls it the predator's ball.

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00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 9: Wow, that's going to.

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Speaker 2: Ring to it. I just can't believe anybody, let alone

892
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Speaker 2: someone who's got the sort of profile Katie Curry had

893
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Speaker 2: a the time, would accept an invitation from a pedophile

894
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Speaker 2: either a two thousand and eight conviction, and this dinner

895
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Speaker 2: was in twenty ten. This meal two thousand and eight

896
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: conviction was for paying for sex with a fourteen year old. Now,

897
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Speaker 2: in my mind, fourteen year olds can't consent, so that

898
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: to me is rape. But however you want to characterize

899
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Speaker 2: that it was against the law. He pleaded guilty. That

900
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Speaker 2: was two thousand and eight and twenty ten. He's got

901
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Speaker 2: all these famous people sitting around his table. Give me

902
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Speaker 2: a break. Now, Wicked. We've talked about this film before.

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Speaker 2: People have flocked to see The new Wicked movie was

904
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Speaker 2: released last week. The cinema goers were shocked to see

905
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Speaker 2: a trigger warning before the film started. Kinsey, what's that about?

906
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it warrants the audience to prepare themselves mentally to

907
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Speaker 10: see characters who cast magical spells.

908
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Speaker 5: On one another.

909
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Speaker 10: I mean, not only was Wicked wildly successful on Broadway,

910
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 10: it's the sequel to a blockbuster film. Shouldn't we already

911
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 10: be mentally prepared? And do we really need a warning?

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Speaker 10: I think Carry Potter is even insulted in this scenario, and.

913
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Speaker 2: The incessant crying from the leads continues. I saw another

914
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Speaker 2: interview where it was actually more members of the cast.

915
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arrivo, and they

916
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Speaker 2: were all crying again. I mean, there is something wrong

917
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Speaker 2: about that movie or on the set. Something has happened

918
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Speaker 2: because these people seeing changed and perhaps not changed in

919
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Speaker 2: a way that's improved their mental health.

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't like to comment on people's physical appearance,

921
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Speaker 10: but just look at how then both of the actresses

922
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Speaker 10: have become it's been to a point of being concerned

923
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Speaker 10: about it. So I think you are asking some fair

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Speaker 10: questions as to what's gone on mentally over the last

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Speaker 10: few years since they began filming this movie.

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Speaker 2: They're just all over each other. They're crying. Their reactions

927
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Speaker 2: are so off. The effect is all off. Now before

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Speaker 2: you go, One of Keith Urban's fans has told TMZ

929
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Speaker 2: that he got the inside scoop about the singer's divorce

930
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Speaker 2: from our Nicole Kidman weeks before the rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: How did Keith let it slip? Kinsey?

932
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Speaker 10: So yeah, Keith met his darpelganger in Canada and they

933
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Speaker 10: joked that the only way to tell them.

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Speaker 5: Apart was Keith's tattoos and wedding ring.

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Speaker 10: And as Keith told the fan goodbye, he noted that

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Speaker 10: the next time they saw each other it might just

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Speaker 10: be the tattoos, alluding to the fact that he wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Have his ring on. I mean, that's a dead giveaway.

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Speaker 2: That is a giveaway, but sometimes you know, people take

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Speaker 2: off their rings, they get them cleaned. I still think

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to be told about that divorce. I

942
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Speaker 2: have a fear that our Nicole was hard done by.

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Speaker 2: And I say our Nicole because it's also our Keith,

944
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Speaker 2: isn't it. We can't really, it's not like the Tom

945
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Speaker 2: Cruise divorce with Nicole Kidman, and we could demonize him

946
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Speaker 2: as an American hurting our girl. But I think we're

947
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Speaker 2: going to hear a lot more about this as the

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Speaker 2: divorce finalizes. Kinsischofield, thank you so much for your time tonight,

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Speaker 2: and that's all the time I have. I'll see you

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Speaker 2: at eleven tomorrow night. Up next, it's Newsnight.