1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,040 Speaker 1: Fits in with. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: Why are we talking to you? 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Exactly? 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 3: Okay, this one I think you will have some fun with. Okay, okay, 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 3: So what we've done is we've lined up someone for 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 3: you to talk to. You don't know who it is, 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: but they have made headlines around the entire world, and. 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: You're going to sing for us. It's not different game. 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: Will they tell us like clues about themselves or we 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: have to ask? 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 3: You have to ask, ask them a few questions and 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: then see if you can figure out why we're talking 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: to them. And then if you don't get it, they'll 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 3: reveal themselves. 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay, so you will know the story or 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 4: stories that they're involved. 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: Right it's revealed. But right now you've got no idea. 18 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: You can't see them on your screens. 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: You're telling me they've made worldwide headline news huge. Are 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: we ready to go? Is the guest there? 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 3: The guest is there? The guest will bring them up? Now, guests, 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: are you there? 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: Yeah? Can you hear me? 24 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: There is an accent? Can I far off? The first question? Guests? 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: Can I ask accent? Are you an American Olympian? 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm an American and I've seen the Olympics, But I'm 27 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: not an athlete. 28 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: I can I ask one, Have you been into space? 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: I have not been into space? 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: Okay, fascinating? 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Have you become questions? 32 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 4: Have you become famous through social media? 33 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: Sort of yes and no. But the social media aspect 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: when you get famous is usually bad. So some things 35 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: have gone viral, some better than others. But the one 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: thing I've faidous for was pretty much on every media platform. 37 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: Okay, on every media platform, what internationally? 38 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: Everything? 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: When people see you and find out what you do, 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: do they do they like what you've done? 41 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? In person, people like what I've done. I'm sure 42 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: there are people around the world who don't like what 43 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: I've done, but the majority of us on our side, like, 44 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: are you a politician? Absolutely? 45 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: Not entertainment industry Hollywood. 46 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: I have been a little bit in Hollywood, not too much, 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: but a lot more on like television news stuff like that. 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 4: Was it part of a rescue or were you Was 49 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: this an injury that you. 50 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Could Actually the big one was not a rescue, but 51 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: I was involved with a very very famous rescue. 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: Oh god, nothing to do with an air balloon? Hot 53 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: air balloon? 54 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: What no will. 55 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: You do with the Chilean mines? 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: I was not in the minds no, but I actually 57 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: grew up in a mining town in Montana the lean minds. 58 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: All right, are you guys stumped? 59 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 2: Was it the timeline rescue? It's not the time, had 60 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 2: many Americans at that. 61 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: It's not the time. 62 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: It's not Brent Russell from Baconcy. 63 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: All right, all right, we gave up now, so it's 64 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: time for you to reveal yourself. Tell us why are 65 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 3: we talking to you? 66 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: I was the Navy seal for seventeen years, and I 67 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: was part of a team that went after a really tall, 68 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: famous terrorist, and I'm the guy that shot him in 69 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: the head three times. So I was the guy that 70 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: went through Beinlin's bedroom. My name is Robert O'Neill. Wow, Robert, 71 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Yeah, a couple of times she 72 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: had to come on though. We didn't go there for nothing. 73 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: Woh god, where did we start here? This is unbelievable. 74 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: The movie zero Doc thirty is your character ptriding? 75 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: That? 76 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 4: Is there an act? 77 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: It sort of was. The people that advised that movie 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: weren't on the mission itself. I think they were people 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: who knew people on the mission, so they sort of 80 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: got it wrong. But You'll notice in the scene that 81 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: I think the character says, I just shot the third 82 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: floor guy, and they kind of like kind of talking 83 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: back to reality. What actually happened is after I shot 84 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: him and moved some of the people around, I was 85 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: sort of stunned, wondering if this is the best thing 86 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: I've ever done of the worst. And a friend of 87 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: mine came up to me and he looked at me 88 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: and he said, are you okay? And I said, I 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: think so. What do we do now? And he said, 90 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: now we find the computers. We do this every night, 91 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: hundreds of times. And I said, yeah, you're right, I'm back. 92 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. And his worst to me were, yeah, 93 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: you just killed Osama, been laden, your life, sus changed. 94 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: Now get to work. 95 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: Why wow, what a moment in time when you were 96 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: going into this mission. Obviously you knew it was dangerous 97 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: and you knew that you were putting your life on 98 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: the line, right, Is that correct? 99 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: Yes, Well, we knew it was a one way mission. 100 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: We're going to get shot down for sure. 101 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: You thought you were going to get shut down. 102 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean a number of things. We're gonna 103 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: get shot down. We have a ninety minute flight, we 104 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: don't know how good their air defenses are. As soon 105 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: as we get there, there will be a gunfight. And 106 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: if anyone's going to blow himself up and his entire 107 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: family up, it's been loen. And then we're going to 108 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: run out of fuel and end up living our short 109 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: lives out. 110 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: In fact, how do you mentally prepared to die like that? 111 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: To go down I'm going to die? 112 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: Well, we had that conversation because we had been we 113 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: were told about bin Laden, and then we had about 114 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: two weeks to prove that we were capable of doing it. 115 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: And even when you know, we talked about all the contingencies, 116 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: and one of my guys actually said, hey, don't take 117 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: this the wrong way, because I'm going one hundred percent going, 118 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: but I need to say it out loud. If we 119 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: know we're going to die, why are we going? And 120 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: we had that conversation and we decided that we're going 121 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: after bin Laden. We're not going for the fame or 122 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: for the money. We're going after Osama bin Laden, for 123 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: the single mom who dropped her kids off at elementary 124 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: school on a Tuesday morning and then forty five minutes later, 125 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: she jumped to her death out of a skyscraper because 126 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: that was a better alternative than whatever the hell's going 127 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: on inside at twenty five hundred degrees fahrenheit. And her 128 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: last gesture of human decency was holding her skirt down 129 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: as she killed herself. She was never supposed to be 130 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: in the fight. We're supposed to be in the fight, 131 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: and that is why we're going good Spye. 132 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 4: But he knew of this house in Pakistan way that 133 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: was hiding, but you didn't know what was inside. You 134 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: went in the middle of the night, so you've got 135 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: night vision goggles on, but you don't know the layout 136 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 4: of the house, do you no? 137 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: And we didn't want to. We had a really really 138 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: strong team of intelligence analysts, led by the famous woman 139 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 1: from Zero Dark Curse. She's a real person, real person. 140 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: I can't give her enough credits. Probably the coolest, bravest 141 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: person I've ever met. The only thing you said is 142 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: I know what the outside looks like. I don't know 143 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: what the inside looks like. But there will be a 144 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: stairwell you will run intokhalibin lad and if you can 145 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: get rid of him, you can get a shot at 146 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: the big guy. That was her words, and we actually 147 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: told her we don't even want to know what you 148 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: think it looks like inside, because if you tell us 149 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: you go in into right turn, it will be a 150 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: left turn. Murphy shows up. Murphy's law. I'll figure it 151 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: out when I get you. Don't tell me how many men, 152 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: women and children. Tell me how many people you see. 153 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: I'll figure out who they are when I get there. 154 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: And we you know, we'd all done this a lot. 155 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: We've been on targets a lot of times. We were professionals. 156 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: We had twenty three of the most senior guys at 157 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: FIELT six, so we were ready for. 158 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: And your intel told you that he was there one 159 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: hundred percent. 160 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: The woman that found him said one percent, and I 161 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: cannot That's how cool she was. We would finish a 162 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: full day of training with helicopters on a site that 163 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: they built day and night, twelve thirteen hours a day. 164 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: Then we'd go back to the where we were staying 165 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: and we would talk about it over a two scale model, 166 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: and we finished with that long day. Go get four 167 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: hours of sleep when we got done training. Every night 168 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: she would say, okay, guys, bin Laden is on the 169 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: third floor of this building right now. I don't know 170 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: why we're not going to have a good night every night? 171 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: Can you tell me these? Because it was a bad start, 172 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: wasn't it Because one of the helicopters too chop was 173 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: going and one of the helicopters actually had a crash landing, 174 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: didn't it. 175 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that was again proof. I have a saying 176 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: that when you make a plan, God laughs at you. Yeah, 177 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: and our perfect plan. We had the perfect plan, and 178 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: we decided over thirty seconds, what's the worst thing it 179 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: could happen? And someone said the helicopter could crash in 180 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: the front yard, and that's what happened, and it didn't press. 181 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: The pilot saved everyone's lives by realizing he couldn't hover, 182 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: and that was because it was a maybe two degrees 183 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: celsius warmer than we planned and that affected something with 184 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: the updraft, and the pilot decided, in the blink of 185 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: an eye, I'm just gonna let if I put the 186 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: tail on the fence and the nose in the dirt, 187 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: maybe we won't flip and I'll save everything. Wise than 188 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: he did, everyone would have died. If you would have 189 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: powered up, everyone would have died. And then lord knows 190 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: what would have happened with only half of us on 191 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: that mission. 192 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 4: Wow, this is fascinating. Actually, can I ask you, Robert 193 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 4: do you know I mean we're talking movies with zero 194 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: Dorc thirty, but do you know with sniper Bradley Cooper 195 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 4: Chris Kyle? Did you know him as a sniper? 196 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: I did not know him. He was We had seal 197 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: teams divided the fight coasts. Yep, so the odd odd 198 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: numbers are in California. One shoot team won three, five, 199 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: and seven, and then we have two, four, eight, and ten, 200 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: and then six on the East coast. So we never 201 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: met because we're on different rotations now here. This is 202 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: kind of funny. His book became very popular because it 203 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: came out right after we killed in Lot, and everyone 204 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: was so interested in Navy Seal and he's got an 205 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: amazing story, an amazing story, great great book. But uh, 206 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: I was sitting at my house and it's a lot 207 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: to deal with that I killed in Lot and how 208 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: does my life change? A kind of there and I 209 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: got a delivery. Chris Kyle sent me a signed copy 210 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: of his book, and my initial arrogant reaction, as the 211 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: Navy Seal was why would I want to sign copy 212 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: from a Navy seal and I opened the book. And 213 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: I opened the book and all it said was great 214 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: shot Chris Kyle. And I was like, this is a 215 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: cool thing I owned, so. 216 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: Well, can we get back to You're on the third floor. 217 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: You've made you wiy up going level to level and 218 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: it's the middle. 219 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: Of the knot. 220 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 2: It's doc is the only reason you knew it was 221 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: him because if he's hot, because they spoke about the 222 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: stature of the man. 223 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: I knew and the guy in front when we went 224 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: up the last set of stairs, we were down to 225 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: two guys. There's one guy in front of me. He 226 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: was called the point man, and I would be called 227 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: the number two man. And his job is to look forward. 228 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: My job is to hold on his shoulder and look 229 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: backwards just to be able to communicate just by squeezing 230 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: or touching as a foot of talkings. And we knew 231 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: he was up that set of stairs. And the only 232 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: reason we went up is because he he was sort 233 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: of saying to me, like, I can we got to go. 234 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: There's suicide bombers up there, but we can beat him 235 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: if we go now. And I can close my eyes 236 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: and see it right now, and on my behalf It 237 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: wasn't bravery. It was Okay, we're gonna blow up now. 238 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm tired of thinking about it. Let's just get it 239 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: over with. And we went up the stairs and he 240 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: went through it. There was a curtain at the top 241 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: of the stairs, and he went through it and sort 242 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: of tackled some people that he assumed were suicide bombers, 243 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: which is an incredible gallantry. And because he went one way, 244 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: I had to go the other just to cover his back. 245 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: And when I turned there was Osama bin Laan standing 246 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: on two feet about three feet in front of me, 247 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: and he had his hands on his wife Amal's shoulders, 248 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: and he was sort of like we were very very close, 249 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: and I remember looking at him and in a blink 250 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: of an eye, I thought, he's he's taller than I thought, 251 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: he's skinnier than I thought. His beard is like gray. 252 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: But he's not surrender. He's a threat. That's his nose, 253 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: that's him. He's a high threat. I got to treat 254 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: him as a suicide bomber, and that's why I shot 255 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: him in the face. 256 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: And there was never a thought of capturing him. 257 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: No, there was a thought of capturing him, but on 258 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: a target that high, that much danger and that high 259 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: value the way that I put it now, and it's 260 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: easy to look back and think what if this, what 261 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: if that? But at the time he had less than 262 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: a second to convince me not to kill him. And 263 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: that's that's on him, not me. I got I've got 264 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: my stuff, when I got bullets, I'm going to kill you. 265 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: If he you know, shirt off, hands up, no suicide 266 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: vest I'll grab him. But he was maneuvering. And I've 267 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: seen suicide bombers in person before, and the way I 268 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: describe him is extremely fast, extremely loud, and scary, very permanent, 269 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: and all they need to do is connect two leads 270 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: and it's over and I I. And the way you 271 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: take care of him is you have to shoot him. 272 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: You got to hit him in their brain, so then 273 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: you Then the wife's in front of him, so she 274 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: then what drops to the floor with him after shot? No? 275 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: No, she sort of stood there and I no, No, 276 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: It's it's weird. I've seen people respond to I mean, 277 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: it's got to be scary to have twenty three guys 278 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: with green faces that are huge coming through your house 279 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: and they they only start to pry or whimper after 280 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: the fact. She was just sort of there and I 281 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: moved her out of the way, and I actually his 282 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: And this is another thing too that I don't care 283 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: who you're at war with, there is a human element. 284 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: His two year old son was there and after I shot, 285 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: after I shot in Lawden and I looked down and 286 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: as a father, I thought, well, this poor kid has 287 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: nothing to do with this, and I felt bad for 288 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and just moving moving the side and then 289 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: put I put him next to his mom on the bed, 290 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: and that's when that's when other seals were coming in 291 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: the room, and that's when we had the conversations. And 292 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: but then he realized, well we can live. Let's let's 293 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: put let's put his body in a body bag, gather 294 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: a few things, and let's call h another helicop. Let's 295 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: get out of here. 296 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: So you took the body, and you took the computers 297 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, uh yeah. 298 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: We we actually went down to the the second floor 299 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: where we were surprised that there was there was three offices. 300 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: I think so bin Laden was. People were saying he 301 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: might just be the figurehead, but he was running the 302 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: entire operation from there. So we really, I mean, we 303 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: had so much stuff that we wanted it. I think 304 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: thirty four minutes on target. We ended up there for 305 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: forty seven minutes. We're like, hey, we got to go now, 306 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: because the issue was the first responders are not going 307 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: to be the military. They're going to be the local police, 308 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 1: and we're not at war with them. We're not a 309 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: war with that then, and we're you know, we're in there, 310 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: we're in their country. Yeah, Like I don't want to 311 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: get in a fight with these guys. I don't want 312 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: to kill a policeman. I just want to leave them. 313 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: And you know, we did have things where we could 314 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: tell them. We've been thinking since nine to eleven, if 315 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: we find him in Pakistan, we will come get him. 316 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: But still, you know, you got to do that just 317 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: working as a contrain and to feed his family. 318 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: I'm not there to shoot him and home lock you've got. 319 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an interesting part because we split up. 320 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: We had to have another helicopter come get us. We 321 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: blew up the first helicopter. A third helicopter came in, 322 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: which I think is really cool when you think that 323 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: Seal Team six was actually rescued by Seal Team six, 324 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: So these were other guys. So yeah, so they so 325 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: they we got in the helicopter, and that was start 326 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: to sink in that if we can live for ninety minutes, 327 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: if we can cross that border in Afghanistan without getting 328 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: shot down, that we can we get fifty years of life. 329 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: I get to see my daughters again, but but we 330 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: can live now. And also that we learn in war 331 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: and in training for war is that if you're worrying 332 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: about something that you're worry will not affect, stop wasting 333 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: your energy. Like me, worried about a missile shooting me 334 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: down is not gonna It's not gonna stop it. So 335 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stop wasting my sweat. So I just 336 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: started a watch, and I'm sitting with these other Navy 337 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: seals and we're flying towards the border as fast as 338 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: the pilot can fly, and you're kind of looking around, 339 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: no one saying anything, but you know, you look at 340 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: the watch and it's like, Okay, I spent ten minutes. 341 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: You gotta stop watch, going spend twenty minutes. It's been 342 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. I spent forty minutes. Now it's fifty minutes, 343 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: and we got to get to ninety minutes. But then 344 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: you start I love sports analogies. Everyone should play sports 345 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: to get the team feeling. I started thinking about like 346 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: in baseball and no hitter getting pissed at the top 347 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: of the eighth, like I'm not gonna say any but 348 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to Jacon. But now it's been it's 349 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: been like seventy minute. Now it's been eighty minutes. And 350 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: there's this great clip from We've been in the Olympics, 351 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: I think with in nineteen eighty when the when Team 352 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: USA hockey was beating the Russians and you can hear 353 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: them count it's a lake classies. You can hear them counting. 354 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: Dalla see it on YouTube. The Americans are all nervous, 355 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: We're not supposed to win this, but ten nine eight, 356 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the pilot. I love 357 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: pilots too. They don't get near enough credit. Pilots are 358 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: always school because they want to keep you calm when 359 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: like you're blah blah blah because you freaking out not 360 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: gonna stop it. So eighty five minutes into the light, 361 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: the pilot came over and said, in that calm voice, 362 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: she said, all right, gentlemen, for the first time in 363 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: your lives, you're gonna be happy to hear this. Welcome 364 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: to Afghanistan. Wow, we got them. 365 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: You know. The other question I've always wanted to ask 366 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: is what was the phone call lock with Obama? I 367 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: assume he was the man president at the time. We 368 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: saw the images of you know, the Oval Office, crammed 369 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: into that smaller room watching on a screen. What was 370 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: that phone call? 371 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: Like? He well, he was cool the whole time. President 372 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: Obama really exemplified what it's like to not be partisan. 373 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: That was not a democratic Republican decision. That was a 374 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: decision not just for America before our allies, for everyone 375 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: involved with it. He has to make that decision. And 376 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: we were training not for ourselves, but to show them 377 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: that we were good. And President Obama told us that 378 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: I was never one hundred percent convinced Bin Laden was there, 379 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: but after seeing you, I was one hundred percent convinced 380 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: you could go find out and come back right. So 381 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: we came back. He was still in the Oval Office, 382 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: and obviously the picture was when the helicopter crash landed. 383 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: But I mentioned just what a small world it is. 384 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: I mentioned being from Montana, we had Osama bin Lanes 385 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: remains right here on the floor of this hangar. The 386 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: law enforcement guys were doing the proper dnahs, taking the 387 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: pictures that are real, and I really wish they'd release them. 388 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: So they're doing this, they us breakfast sandwiches, and we 389 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: look up watching a big string TV. President Obama came 390 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: down the you know, we're just on the phone with 391 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: him a second ago, making sure he knows how many 392 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: people were killed. He wasn't. Then he comes walking down 393 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: on worldwide television. I'll never forget, he said. Tonight, I 394 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: can report to the American people and to the world, 395 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: the United States conducted an operation that killed Osamavian Laden, 396 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: the leader of al Qaida. So I heard President Obama say, 397 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: Osaombon Laden. I looked at osamavan Laden. I took him 398 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: by to my breakfast sandwich, and I thought to myself, 399 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: how in the world did I get here from Butte Montana. 400 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, brob, why is it they never told anybody 401 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: what they did with the body where. 402 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, we turned him over to the army who flew 403 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: him out to the US. Vincence which was in It 404 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: was the way I say it is. Uh. It was 405 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: either the person golf or the Arabian goal depending on 406 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: who you want to piss off. But they brought him 407 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 1: out there and they just uh, they they buried him 408 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: at sea. It was ceremonial and I never understood that, 409 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why, because they and this is 410 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 1: a typical example of politicians is not doing their homework. 411 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: They said they don't want to shrine too been Laden 412 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: for people to worship. But if they understood anything about 413 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: that form of of Wahabis Salapi Islam, they don't have shrines. 414 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: That's the whole reason that you you they don't need 415 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: to depict a picture of Muhammad because there is one God. 416 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: They're not false prophets, and that would have been a 417 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: false prophet. There never would have been. You know, they 418 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: buried him at sea. I wish they'd show the pictures. 419 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, just pretty much because I'm tired of hearing 420 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: them about it. Here he is, I turned a corner 421 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: right behind a brave guy. That's all that happened. Robert. 422 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 4: And are you still close with your Navy seals and 423 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 4: you and your team? I know, because you know, over 424 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 4: the years there's been other guys that have claimed they've 425 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 4: shown Osama been Laden as well. Robert, are you still 426 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 4: close with those guys. 427 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: I do talk to them once in a while, and 428 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: I think they're, you know whatever, any anyone who put 429 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: their butts in those seats and flew into Pakistan, they're 430 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: a hero to me. And if they weren't there, I 431 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: don't care if they I'm at the point I don't 432 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: really care. I love all the people was with the 433 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: men and women involved, and I mean it's a it's 434 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: a fog of war thing. And if you know, I mean, 435 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: I know what I saw. I saw him in standing up. 436 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: I shot him three times. If someone behind me shot 437 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: him while he was on the ground, it's not my problem. 438 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: Maybe they did, because if you'll notice, no one ever 439 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: said they killed and loden, but some guys did say 440 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: they shocked and lot whatever. 441 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, not interesting, fascinating. 442 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 4: New York Times best selling book at the moment, the 443 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 4: operad at you can you can read Robert's full story there. 444 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 4: But we really appreciate you, Tom. Thanks for coming on 445 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 4: the shot. 446 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: Oh great to be here. It's been a blast. I 447 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: got to get in the studio, but I didn't want 448 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: to quarantine for two months. Yeast. 449 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, Yeah 450 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for it's a lot of