WEBVTT - Is Trump's Gaza 'ceasefire' for real?

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>is live now at the Australian dot com dot au.

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<v Speaker 1>Peace in the Middle East, Donald Trump seems to think

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<v Speaker 1>he's got it sorted. Ben Jamin Nettania, who is heading

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<v Speaker 1>to the White House and the deal maker in chief,

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<v Speaker 1>says they'll have a deal today. On the Front are

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<v Speaker 1>correspondents Joanni Bishan and Liam Mendez on the new push

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<v Speaker 1>for a ceasefire. There's been conflict in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of thousand years now, the Romans, the Crusaders, Jews, Christians, Muslims,

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<v Speaker 1>and now Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel has agreed to the necessary conditions to finalize the

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<v Speaker 2>sixty days ceasefire. I hope for the good of the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East that Hamas takes this deal, because it will

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<v Speaker 2>not get better, it will only get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>That was an Ai voice reading the president's social media post.

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<v Speaker 1>The deal maker in chief says he's got a deal,

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<v Speaker 1>or he's going to get a deal, or there's a

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<v Speaker 1>deal to be done.

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<v Speaker 3>How far were you going to be with Matt Yahoo

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<v Speaker 3>about ending the war? And he wants it to He's

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<v Speaker 3>he wants to tend to but is there a point

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<v Speaker 3>where you're told not Yahoo, Like you've got to endless

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<v Speaker 3>Now you've got to stake a he wants to.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we'll have a deal next year, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Netanya, who the Israeli Prime Minister, is heading to Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. Early next week and says he'll be meeting

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<v Speaker 1>with Trump, Vice President j d Vance, and top dogs

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<v Speaker 1>Marco Rubio, Pete Hegseth and Steve Wikoff. He's the former

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<v Speaker 1>property developer and Trump buddy who's been leading negotiations for

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<v Speaker 1>Mideast peace.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't be in there, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I see vance in the skirts.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at the Michael Rubil.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a hell of a month, a twelve day

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<v Speaker 1>shooting war with Iran, American strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities,

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<v Speaker 1>civilian deaths in Gaza at food distribution sites. Donald Trump swearing.

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<v Speaker 2>We have we basically have two countries that have been

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<v Speaker 2>fighting so long and so hard that they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?

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<v Speaker 1>And now maybe peace on the ground in Israel. Our

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<v Speaker 1>correspondents Joanni Bishan and Liam Mendez are just getting used

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<v Speaker 1>to life outside the bomb shelter. Liam, what's life like

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<v Speaker 1>in Tel Aviv these days?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's been like night and day compared to when

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<v Speaker 4>Israel was at war with Iran. About an hour after

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<v Speaker 4>the ceasefire was announced, things just completely changed. At first,

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<v Speaker 4>before the ceasefire, all of Tel Aviv was empty. It

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<v Speaker 4>was amazing, almost in a way where we could get

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<v Speaker 4>a park very easily. We'd get from one hour of

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<v Speaker 4>town to the other in a matter of ten to

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<v Speaker 4>twenty minutes, that's how empty it was. It was like

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<v Speaker 4>Covid again. But then an hour into the ceasefire, everyone

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<v Speaker 4>came out, it was impossible to get a reservation at

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<v Speaker 4>a restaurant. It's quite remarkable to watch everyone just emerge

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<v Speaker 4>out of the bunker and resume life and go back

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<v Speaker 4>to normal, you know, after being through what was very

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<v Speaker 4>traumatic twelve days. We saw a lot of people genuinely

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<v Speaker 4>terrified and panicking when the air raid tyrants would go off,

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<v Speaker 4>and when people would file from the beach or from

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<v Speaker 4>the streets into an air raid shelter. And then all

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<v Speaker 4>of that sort of disappeared. It went into the distance,

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<v Speaker 4>and it seems like everyone's just forgotten about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Only something that hasn't changed is the hostage situation. There

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<v Speaker 1>are still about fifty hostages remaining in Gaza of the

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred plus who were taken by Hamas back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three. What's happening with those hostages and what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think their fate is going to be if,

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<v Speaker 1>as Donald Trump is saying, we get some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>deal next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's extremely depressing to think we currently have fifty

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<v Speaker 3>hostages that are being held in Gaza, but not all

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<v Speaker 3>of them are alive. The estimation is that roughly about

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three or thereabouts still living and the rest bodies

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<v Speaker 3>that are being held by Ramasen that itself is so

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<v Speaker 3>abhorrent to think about that this terrorist organization is holding

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<v Speaker 3>the bodies of people, and around Tel Aviv and around

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of Israel, you'll walk around and you'll see

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<v Speaker 3>the posters that are calling for the living hostages to

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<v Speaker 3>come back, but they're also posters for those who have died.

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<v Speaker 3>And they didn't die in captivity, although some of them did.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them died on October seven, and ramas has

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<v Speaker 3>just been holding their bodies for almost two years. So

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<v Speaker 3>the families have no eeed to agree for them, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's truly an appalling situation that they're still there. But

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<v Speaker 3>I guess what the hostage families here have been saying

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<v Speaker 3>is that the ceasefire that was managed to be broken

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<v Speaker 3>with Iran that presented an opportunity for further negotiations and

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<v Speaker 3>discussions over the hostages in Gaza. In fact, what the

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<v Speaker 3>hostages and families for them, that's the organization that advocates

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<v Speaker 3>for families here. What that forum one we're saying is

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<v Speaker 3>that the ceasefire with Iran was a missed opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>broker a further deal to get the hostages out, and

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<v Speaker 3>that the ceasefire with Iran should have been predicated on

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<v Speaker 3>such a deal. It shouldn't have been a ceasefire that

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<v Speaker 3>only focused on stopping the ballistic missiles coming into Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>The hostages should have underpinned those talks the entire time,

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<v Speaker 3>So at this stage it wouldn't appear as though people

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<v Speaker 3>on the ground think that there's much hope of getting

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<v Speaker 3>the hostages out through a military campaign. That's been the

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<v Speaker 3>government's position from the start that military campaigns are what

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<v Speaker 3>provide the leverage for the Israeli government to negotiate the

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<v Speaker 3>hostages released. But what we know is that the hostages

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<v Speaker 3>get out through agreements. In the main, some hostages have

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<v Speaker 3>been released through rescue operations, but the numbers are very small,

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<v Speaker 3>and the hostage families here are saying that the only

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<v Speaker 3>way they'll get their loved ones back is through a deal,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what the hope is now.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving forward here in Australia, we see a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>distressing footage of humanitarian suffering in Gaza, people who are

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<v Speaker 1>hungry and queuing up at distribution centers for aid. The

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli Defense forces have admitted that some of the people

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<v Speaker 1>seeking aid were killed by Israeli troops. What's going on

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<v Speaker 1>as far as we can tell, Yonian and why is

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<v Speaker 1>this so difficult?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what appears to be going on is that the

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<v Speaker 3>distribution of aid has been shambolic. It's high risk and dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that there's no screening process for the Palestinians

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<v Speaker 3>who are rightfully queuing up for food at those aid

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<v Speaker 3>distribution centers, and what that means is that mixed within

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<v Speaker 3>the crowds of ordinary people are members of Hamas. And

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<v Speaker 3>what we also know is that the IDF has made

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<v Speaker 3>admissions to several dozen people having been killed. They've admitted

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<v Speaker 3>to mistakes, grievous grievous mistakes in the process of distributing

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<v Speaker 3>that aid. And what we've had in the last few

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<v Speaker 3>days is the IDF updating its protocols and instituting a

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<v Speaker 3>range of new infant structure around the delivery of aid,

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<v Speaker 3>to include signage and directions and concrete barriers to allow

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<v Speaker 3>for the better flow of the human traffic in the

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<v Speaker 3>area in order to access the aid distribution. And the

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<v Speaker 3>hope is that moving forward this will be cleared up

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<v Speaker 3>and the food that is available to be delivered into

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<v Speaker 3>Gaza can actually reach the people who need it.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up more from our Middle East correspondents Joanni Bishan

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<v Speaker 1>and Leam Mendez. Liam, You and Yonni have been traveling

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<v Speaker 1>around the country talking to ordinary Israelis as you complete

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<v Speaker 1>your reporting of this story, do you get a sense

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<v Speaker 1>from Israelis since Donald Trump has started talking about peace

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<v Speaker 1>that they are hopeful, more hopeful now than perhaps they

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<v Speaker 1>were before the Iran War broke out.

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<v Speaker 4>There is definitely a sense of hope. But one theme

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<v Speaker 4>that keeps coming up is that the Israelis are just

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<v Speaker 4>locked into the fact that these wars come up every

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<v Speaker 4>six to eight years. There's an expectation that people need

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<v Speaker 4>to be ready for either a terrorist attack or some

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<v Speaker 4>sort of attack. Someone was saying to me a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of days ago that they are constantly on the lookout

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<v Speaker 4>for someone that's trying to kill them. The Israelis are

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<v Speaker 4>living in this constant state of peril where they are

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<v Speaker 4>just waiting for when is the next siren going to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>For the first time in a week since the ceasefire,

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<v Speaker 4>we had an alert go off preparing us for a

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<v Speaker 4>potential attack. Now, a ballistic missile from Yemen, a single

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<v Speaker 4>ballistic missile was intercepted by the IDEF yesterday. But there

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<v Speaker 4>is never a true sense of peace and quiet that

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<v Speaker 4>we're so used to having back at home. People are

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<v Speaker 4>still on edge, and it's a fact of life that

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<v Speaker 4>Israel is going to be at war with at least

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<v Speaker 4>one neighbor at any point in time.

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<v Speaker 1>On Benjamin Nettanna, who's on his way to Washington, we

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<v Speaker 1>can only assume that he'll have an Oval Office meeting

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<v Speaker 1>with the President and JD. Vance and the other top brass.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of those meetings haven't gone so well for the

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<v Speaker 1>foreign leaders who've put themselves up. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>it tells us that Benjamin Nettanna, who is agreeing to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Washington at this stage, does this mean that

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<v Speaker 1>a deal is actually in the office.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think, first of all, I'd say that Benjamin

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<v Speaker 3>nettannia who is a very shrewd and very savvy politician.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not expecting to see any scenes, as we

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<v Speaker 3>might call it, in the Oval Office like we saw

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<v Speaker 3>with Vladimir Zelenski of Ukraine. I'm not too sure as

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<v Speaker 3>yet how people should read this visit to Washington. On

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<v Speaker 3>the one hand, we've had Donald Trump quite insistently and

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<v Speaker 3>quite typically getting on truth social and calling for a

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<v Speaker 3>ceasefire to occur as soon as possible, and effectively imploring

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<v Speaker 3>the Israeli Prime Minister to acquiesce to that. There is

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<v Speaker 3>a school of thought that says that Netna, who could

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<v Speaker 3>viably agree to some sort of ceasefire deal because he's

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<v Speaker 3>in such a strong position politically in Israel, given the

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<v Speaker 3>successes that occurred in Iran, so he could agree to

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<v Speaker 3>a cease fire, even if it means causing some degradation

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<v Speaker 3>of his coalition here. On the other hand, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's also worth considering that there have been many opportunities

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<v Speaker 3>to rake over the coals of a cease fire and

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<v Speaker 3>they have mounted to nothing. And it's worth examining another

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<v Speaker 3>aspect of this, which is that Benjamin Netna, who is

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<v Speaker 3>currently on trial here in Israel, a criminal trial, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was due to give two days of evidence this week.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, his legal team had called for that evidence

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<v Speaker 3>to be postponed on security grounds and diplomatic grounds of

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<v Speaker 3>the highest order. A judge rejected that claim, asking for

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<v Speaker 3>further evidence, and in response, Benjamin Netanya, who turned up

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<v Speaker 3>to the court on Sunday with no less than the

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<v Speaker 3>head of the Mossad, David Barnaya and the head of

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<v Speaker 3>IDF Intelligence, And after they gave evidence in a closed court,

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<v Speaker 3>the judge agreed to postpone his evidence by a week

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll hear further evidence next week to put that

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<v Speaker 3>off as well. So I think people should keep that

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<v Speaker 3>in mind when BB goes to visit Donald Trump. There

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<v Speaker 3>has been a war with Iran and there is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a meeting of minds there in Washington, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think top of the agenda will be discussions about

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<v Speaker 3>regional security and the potential for further operations to take

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<v Speaker 3>place in light of what's just occurred. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's hope that there may be talk of a ceasefire,

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<v Speaker 3>but the suggestion is that there could be broader security

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<v Speaker 3>discussions that are going to take place.

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<v Speaker 1>To Leam Mendez and Johanni Vashan are in Israel for

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<v Speaker 1>The Australian. You can check out their reporting live at

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian dot com dot au