Speaker 1: Peter Quedlin Live from year twenty four.
Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin, the war on Seniors, Labour's private health
Speaker 2: shakeup and the brutal tax hit facing pensioners who just
Speaker 2: want to keep working a bit longer. And you know what,
Speaker 2: all of this just puts more pressure on Medicare. In
Speaker 2: the air, I'll explain that in a moment. Plus a
Speaker 2: campaign to ditch the loophole that's allowed convicted rapists to
Speaker 2: keep their identity hidden, As critics worn Victoria's suppression rules
Speaker 2: must be reformed. Here everyone wants to dodge talk of
Speaker 2: one Nation and the Coalition working together.
Speaker 3: In the United Kingdom.
Speaker 2: There's a deal on the table between the UK Reform
Speaker 2: Party and Restore, Plus Tony Abbott's Operation Sovereign Borders British Style.
Speaker 2: The former PM joins me as Nigel Farage imports his
Speaker 2: Stop the Boat's plan into the UK and more. On
Speaker 2: the plunging property market two hundred and thirty billion now
Speaker 2: wiped off the value of your home and Coalition data
Speaker 2: that shows tens of thousands of Australians who bought a
Speaker 2: house with a five percent deposit or they're now teetering
Speaker 2: on the edge of negative equity.
Speaker 4: This is the result of Labour's.
Speaker 5: Taxes government ministers as you saw. Yes, they don't even
Speaker 5: seem to understand the concept of negative equity.
Speaker 6: The government had no idea this was going to happen,
Speaker 6: and then making it up as they go along.
Speaker 2: We will stay with Australia's housing crisis. If you think
Speaker 2: it's hard to be your first home buyer, try watching
Speaker 2: the value of your home slide into free fall, because
Speaker 2: that's what's happening as Australia hit with a once in
Speaker 2: a generation housing slump as the result of catastrophic tax
Speaker 2: changes in the recent May budget. So let's get our
Speaker 2: head across the scale of the problem. Australia's got a
Speaker 2: population of sub twenty seven million and across the country
Speaker 2: there's roughly around eleven point five million separate dwellings. So
Speaker 2: in broad terms, as a reserve bank will tell us,
Speaker 2: about one third of those dwellings are rented, about one
Speaker 2: third owned outright, and about one third are being paid
Speaker 2: off with a mortgage. Now, for most of us, me included,
Speaker 2: our homes are our biggest asset. Not only are they
Speaker 2: our roof over our head. But they represent financial security
Speaker 2: because we know if we had to we could liquidate
Speaker 2: our home, pay off the mortgage and potentially downsize, or
Speaker 2: so we thought.
Speaker 3: That's not guaranteed anymore.
Speaker 2: Because that any works if the home is worth more
Speaker 2: than what we owe. And that's the big headache for
Speaker 2: the Albanzi government, isn't it? With news today that two
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty billions being wiped off property values across
Speaker 2: the board, meaning some of us might have a home
Speaker 2: that is already in negative equity, a home where what
Speaker 2: we owe to the bank is more than what.
Speaker 3: We would get if we had to sell it.
Speaker 2: Today, the coalition released modeling that estimates that thirty four
Speaker 2: thousand Australians could well be in this very predicament. But embarrassingly,
Speaker 2: Labour's Assistant Minister about Filsalthwait exposed himself as not knowing
Speaker 2: the difference between negative equity and mortgage repayment defaults.
Speaker 4: Nine percent of people have met their repayments or are
Speaker 4: head on their mortgages, which means they can't be in
Speaker 4: negative equity because they're a head of their mortgage.
Speaker 3: It's true, that's not how it works, mate.
Speaker 2: No it's not how it works, sorry, Pat. That is
Speaker 2: not what negative equity means. Negative equity is when the
Speaker 2: value of your loan is greater than the value of
Speaker 2: your asset. In other words, you own more on your
Speaker 2: home than what you would get if you tried to
Speaker 2: sell it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Thistle Waiter, Labor front bencher, says on his CV that
Speaker 2: he's got an economics degree, So the level of ignorance
Speaker 2: and the government is staggering. Last night on This Network,
Speaker 2: former Labor Minister Stephen Conroy also tried to ridicule any
Speaker 2: suggestion that negative equity or falling house values in Australia
Speaker 2: were a concern.
Speaker 7: My economically illiterate argument about negative equity. Stop stealing from
Speaker 7: an American housing market. No one is trying to buy
Speaker 7: a house today and sell it tomorrow. Therefore they've suffered
Speaker 7: the full absolute drivel.
Speaker 2: Well, good try, Stephen, But prop track data says otherwise.
Speaker 2: Between March and July this year, and let's not forget
Speaker 2: the budget tax changes were speculated for weeks and weeks
Speaker 2: before the May budget, Australian home values fell some two
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty billion dollars. Further, there are fears that
Speaker 2: a ten percent decliners, some will predict could wipe more
Speaker 2: than one trillion from the market.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: What's also worth noting beyond the loss of value in
Speaker 2: any home you own right now, is increased liability that
Speaker 2: we all bear as taxpayers because of Labour's five percent
Speaker 2: home deposit scheme. All of us, every taxpayer or we
Speaker 2: now carry eleven billion dollars of property liability on the
Speaker 2: budget books. This scheme, that's more than quintupled since Labour
Speaker 2: came to power in twenty twenty two, is also controversial
Speaker 2: due to recent revelations that those accessing this taxpayer help
Speaker 2: do not even need to be an Australian citizen, and
Speaker 2: we know that there's some fifty thousand non citizens who've
Speaker 2: already got onto the scheme, something that Liberal leader Angus
Speaker 2: Taylor says he would not allow.
Speaker 5: I'm appalled by revelations in recent weeks that nearly fifty
Speaker 5: thousand non citizens have used Labour's first home by five
Speaker 5: percent deposit scheme. Labor opened this scheme to permanent residence
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty three, but such a loan scheme financed
Speaker 5: by the Australians taxpayer should be reserved for Australian citizens.
Speaker 2: Well spot on angus and as I discussed here in
Speaker 2: the program last night, incredibly this scheme will now help
Speaker 2: people get into a home even if they earned a
Speaker 2: shy of seven hundred thousand dollars, so three quarters of
Speaker 2: a million dollars per couple.
Speaker 8: This is a classic one where if you are wealthy enough,
Speaker 8: you have enough income coming through the door, you should
Speaker 8: not and do not need the assistance to get into
Speaker 8: your first time because likelihood is you can afford that anyway.
Speaker 8: And so the government is literally giving money away for
Speaker 8: no good reason.
Speaker 2: Yes, house prices are cyclical, but periods of rapid price
Speaker 2: increases tend to be followed by slow, well no increases.
Speaker 2: Rarely do we see big price hikes and then big
Speaker 2: price falls or big losses in value. But that's where
Speaker 2: it appears we are now post Labour's catastrophic May budget.
Speaker 2: Despite the spin from ministers like this, there's.
Speaker 4: Never been a better time to be a first home buyer,
Speaker 4: and not in my lifetime has there been a better
Speaker 4: time to be a first home buyer in Australia. I'm
Speaker 4: so happy to see more than two hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: thousand individuals and couples have made use of our five percent.
Speaker 6: Like, this is early days, and this is a reform
Speaker 6: which will play out not only over months, but over years.
Speaker 9: Over the long term, Treasury is very clear that there
Speaker 9: will be a sustainable increase in house prices, and the
Speaker 9: Reserve Bankers said than less than one percent of borrowers
Speaker 9: actually are facing any sense of negative equity.
Speaker 3: I don't trust them.
Speaker 2: Labor ministers wanting to assure use that house price falls
Speaker 2: are a good thing, that everything will rebound, well, that's
Speaker 2: no comfort. One of their own doesn't even know a
Speaker 2: term as important as negative equity.
Speaker 3: Right before I.
Speaker 2: Move into the news of the day, I just want
Speaker 2: to highlight just how patriotic so many of you are,
Speaker 2: because the flag images that have been flooding into my
Speaker 2: email account from you are assigned that our country is
Speaker 2: on a very different wavelength than what perhaps our Prime
Speaker 2: minister would have us believe.
Speaker 3: Now, as you can.
Speaker 2: See across the TV screens right now, we've got backyards,
Speaker 2: we've got front yards, we've got farm fences, branders, men's sheds, kitchens,
Speaker 2: lounge rooms, cars, utes, and of course flags right across
Speaker 2: our great brown land adorned with Australia's national flag, our
Speaker 2: only national flag.
Speaker 3: Let me make that one clear.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, well, he likes to stand in front
Speaker 2: of three flags, two of them belong to only some
Speaker 2: of us, and only one of those flags, our national flag.
Speaker 3: Well, that one belongs to all of us.
Speaker 2: Australia has many official flags, were they military flags or
Speaker 2: flags like the Aboriginal flag?
Speaker 3: Official?
Speaker 2: Yes, But only our national flag is protected with its
Speaker 2: own Act of Parliament and that's how it should be.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Nothing gives me more hope for our future than to
Speaker 2: see your response to our flag. And when I read
Speaker 2: your emails that accompany those pictures, and again they're on
Speaker 2: the screen right now, and I've read all of the emails.
Speaker 2: I promise you the reasons as to why you are
Speaker 2: flying the flag, what it means to you, and in
Speaker 2: many instances the special event or the family tragedy that
Speaker 2: prompted you to fly it as proudly as you do, well,
Speaker 2: that speaks volumes. It speaks volumes about the sort of
Speaker 2: good people who watch this program, but also to where
Speaker 2: the real heart and soul of our country years and
Speaker 2: as we all know too well, that's not in Canberra,
Speaker 2: is it? And it's certainly not in the Prime Minister's office.
Speaker 2: I promise you I have flags and flags for weeks
Speaker 2: to come. Let's go to Camberan Now for the headlines.
Speaker 2: Our political reporter Ribbon Spargo.
Speaker 10: Good Evening, the acting Prime Minister is playing down fears
Speaker 10: of a broader housing downturn. The Coalition claims thirty four
Speaker 10: thousand buyers who accessed Labour's five percent deposit scheme are
Speaker 10: at risk of falling into negative equity over.
Speaker 6: The time in which people would own a home. You
Speaker 6: see housing prices grow and they will continue to grow.
Speaker 10: Labour's recent tax changes are seemingly colliding with the three
Speaker 10: interest rate hikes this year. Independent Senator David Pocock is
Speaker 10: calling on the Treasurer to fix the budget so called
Speaker 10: widow tax. People who co own investment property can lose
Speaker 10: access to negative gearing if their partner dies or they separate.
Speaker 4: Terribly.
Speaker 3: Sorry for your lost please pay up well.
Speaker 4: I think that speaks volumes of exactly what Labour's toxic
Speaker 4: taxes can do.
Speaker 10: Pauline Hanson says, David Pocock and I don't always agree,
Speaker 10: but he's dead right on this. He shouldn't have to
Speaker 10: fight it alone. Australia's biggest betting companies are rejecting allegations
Speaker 10: of predatory behavior, insisting there is no systemic problem. Former
Speaker 10: NRL player Luke Bateman alleges gambling company staff offered to
Speaker 10: organize illicit drugs while cultivating him as a high value customer.
Speaker 11: There's definitely not a systematic issue with the offering of
Speaker 11: illegal products and there's no culture of that kind of
Speaker 11: business within the regulators licensed on Show Marketing.
Speaker 10: Labour's proposed gambling reforms are being examined as part of
Speaker 10: an eight week Senate inquiry.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into all of that now with
Speaker 2: our News twenty four Political editor Andrew Cleanell Caday. Andrew,
Speaker 2: I heard you just before five o'clock. You took on
Speaker 2: Tanya Pleversek over the comments she made. I think it
Speaker 2: was yesterday morning that this is the best time to
Speaker 2: be a first home buyer.
Speaker 3: Now, Parliament's back next week. Across the ball, we've got.
Speaker 2: A litany of unintended consequences out of the budget, the
Speaker 2: House falls, We've talked about negative equity, the whole widow's
Speaker 2: tax debarcle. Obviously, this gives the red meat there for
Speaker 2: the opposition to run on now doesn't it?
Speaker 11: Well, it does. Let's see if they can do it effectively,
Speaker 11: and let's see if they can get mileage out of it,
Speaker 11: because I just think they need to stick to a
Speaker 11: couple of themes and really hammer away at them. And
Speaker 11: even look, I mean I said to Matt Canavan the
Speaker 11: other day that indexation on tax the where's that gone?
Speaker 11: One even knows about it? That policy. You know, the
Speaker 11: mistake I think they're making, Peter, and you're an expert
Speaker 11: in this field, is they are just not saying stuff
Speaker 11: until they want to vomit. And that's what you've got
Speaker 11: to do. And that's because they're freaked out by one
Speaker 11: nation who anything they say gets a run. But you've
Speaker 11: just got to you've just got to get slick of lines,
Speaker 11: and you've just got to keep hammering away at them,
Speaker 11: and you've got to come up with a couple of
Speaker 11: clever you know, Widow's tax is a good one. You've
Speaker 11: got to come up with these phrases that capture the imagination.
Speaker 11: They get the grab out there, whether it's a house
Speaker 11: price dump or house price disaster, or you know, they
Speaker 11: Angus and his team, they really like that. I think
Speaker 11: they've really got a bit of work to do on
Speaker 11: that front.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a bit like fire the lion, mate. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've got You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: You've got to frame the issue. You've got to frame
Speaker 3: whether it's whether it's.
Speaker 2: A trust issue, whether it's goes to character, whether it's
Speaker 2: sort of a personality trait, or it's you know, your
Speaker 2: political opponent, frame them in terms of who they are.
Speaker 2: But also you've got to frame the issue because, as
Speaker 2: you know, governments profit from the complexity of some of
Speaker 2: these things. I mean, part of the reason that they've
Speaker 2: got a way with saying renewables are cheap is because
Speaker 2: people go, oh, well wind and sol are free, right, Well,
Speaker 2: the sun's free at least, but they're not once they
Speaker 2: understand and they are understanding this now it costs a
Speaker 2: lot to put the infrastructure in and get the power
Speaker 2: from the source to the market. Now now that they
Speaker 2: understand those complex issues, Australians are walking away from supporting renewables.
Speaker 2: But that's taken about ten years of dog and debate
Speaker 2: in the computity. And I just don't think the liberals
Speaker 2: hammer stuff often enough frequently enough, And sometimes I look
Speaker 2: on the TVs and I don't feel like they're out
Speaker 2: in the field enough.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 11: But you know what, governments can profit on complexity, but
Speaker 11: they can lose on complexity. Tax things are case in point,
Speaker 11: because people think that any old inheritance, not just capital
Speaker 11: gains tax properties are sorry, not just investment properties would
Speaker 11: be hit by this, and that's not true. It would
Speaker 11: just be investment properties. And it doesn't come until mid
Speaker 11: next year, so it's presumably going to be fixed by then.
Speaker 11: But if you follow what I'm saying, people just hear
Speaker 11: tax housing that they're not They're not in the weeds
Speaker 11: of negative gearing and capital gains. And therefore this is
Speaker 11: where I think the government could could find itself in
Speaker 11: a bit of trouble because I think a lot of
Speaker 11: people don't understand these changes and think they're more far
Speaker 11: reaching than they are. I'm not saying they're not far reaching,
Speaker 11: but I just think there's there's so much ground there.
Speaker 11: Like I mean Tanya's comment, I mean I couldn't believe it, really.
Speaker 11: I mean house prices a me and bucks median at
Speaker 11: laden Perth. It's so out of time, it's insane, and
Speaker 11: it's never been a worst time to be a first
Speaker 11: home buyer. And the problem they've got is they're trying
Speaker 11: to create this mirage that this is this is the
Speaker 11: thing which is going to make things affordable. If this
Speaker 11: was a thing to make things more affordable, it needed
Speaker 11: to happen ten years ago. Because the horse has bolted,
Speaker 11: they're never going to get the price down. So they're
Speaker 11: going to end up annoying two cohorts, right, They're not
Speaker 11: going to be able to satisfy the first home buyer
Speaker 11: or enough of them, and they're going to annoy the
Speaker 11: people with existing homes who see their paper loss.
Speaker 2: So you end up in a situation and there's a
Speaker 2: lot more at the ladder than the front, and a
Speaker 2: lot more at the ladder than the former.
Speaker 11: Even if you're doing it on principle, and I don't
Speaker 11: believe they are. I think they're doing it for the
Speaker 11: base and to pretend they're doing something. It's not effective enough.
Speaker 11: It's too late. That's the problem they've got. And so
Speaker 11: why the opposition can't go with this and the other
Speaker 11: aspect that the opposition needs to hammer away at. Excuse me, Petter,
Speaker 11: is I remember myself when I was when I was
Speaker 11: saving for a deposit, what do you do right? You
Speaker 11: buy shares. That's one of the things I did to
Speaker 11: save for a deposit all these many years ago. Young
Speaker 11: people do that, they're pretty smart. They buy these EFTs
Speaker 11: or ETFs or whatever they're called. The capital gains changes
Speaker 11: on that stuff. So then so even the saving up
Speaker 11: to the deposit is hurt by these changes. There's just
Speaker 11: so much room if they if the opposition just wants
Speaker 11: to be patient and hammer away and hammer away and
Speaker 11: hammer away. And I don't see a lot of that.
Speaker 11: I just see, you know, going to a small business
Speaker 11: round table getting asked again about one nation. Just not
Speaker 11: that real political skill. You need some skill in this business,
Speaker 11: and I don't think the opposition has enough at the moment.
Speaker 11: It's as simple as that. A guy like James Patterson
Speaker 11: has the capacity to do it. Not many others do.
Speaker 11: Hasty Hasty comes out with some good lines, but he's.
Speaker 12: A bit you know.
Speaker 11: You wouldn't you wouldn't put all your hope in him.
Speaker 11: Where's the great White hope for these guys? They don't
Speaker 11: really have it, and you mightn't need it except you've
Speaker 11: got one nation.
Speaker 3: Just quickly, I want to ask you about Luke Gosling.
Speaker 2: I saw that interview with Mark Butler, the Health Minister
Speaker 2: on the way can this limp justification that he doesn't
Speaker 2: have to stand down because he hasn't got a fed
Speaker 2: in con roll, he's only a special envoy. Well, if
Speaker 2: it isn't really that important, why do we even have it?
Speaker 2: And of course when Parliament returns, all the hypocrisy from
Speaker 2: Melbourne easy about others who have had allegations and still decide.
Speaker 2: And when it's happened, you know, to the Coalition, this
Speaker 2: folk's been charged and he's still in his.
Speaker 11: Job, that'll be interesting.
Speaker 5: So what do you do?
Speaker 11: Do you go more retail or do you go for
Speaker 11: that because you don't get many questions with the crossbencher
Speaker 11: way it is. I don't mind spending a day on
Speaker 11: Gosling because I'm like, you're such a hypoca on this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's Prime Minister's character. It's less about Gosling and it's
Speaker 2: more about.
Speaker 11: It's humorous for large I mean, you know, one of
Speaker 11: the reasons I took this on as a journalist on
Speaker 11: Sunday is because I could scarcely believe that you know,
Speaker 11: someone who went on about standards so much is so
Speaker 11: failing and implementing stef So, I mean, you just can't
Speaker 11: let these guys get away with this, whether you're an
Speaker 11: opposition or a journalist in my view.
Speaker 2: But that's the whole issue with Gena Reinhart and the ABC.
Speaker 2: I mean, every single one of the ministers I've seen
Speaker 2: over last three days have said, oh, I haven't seen it,
Speaker 2: but I don't like the idea of what I've been
Speaker 2: told you, and I know they will have all watched it.
Speaker 2: Their officers would have watched it. Every minister's been briefed.
Speaker 2: There's clearly a line gone out of Labor Head office
Speaker 2: to say, don't acknowledge that you've watched it. Pretend you
Speaker 2: haven't seen it. Go to the principle hold the line
Speaker 2: independence of the ABC. You can personally not like it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know exactly how the game is played here,
Speaker 2: but the Prime Minister can't crow about misogyny. He can't
Speaker 2: go after ditch the witch billboards and the witch is gone,
Speaker 2: I might add, dished by a labor man.
Speaker 3: You can't go on about that.
Speaker 2: At the same time as you can't say that someone
Speaker 2: like Gina Wrighthart, who isn't even in politics, deserves an
Speaker 2: apology and that stuff should be down right now off
Speaker 2: the ABC's platform.
Speaker 11: I think they're hardening any language on it, like I
Speaker 11: think Males was a bit better today. But yeah, I
Speaker 11: mean it's just it's disgraceful stuff, right, and yeah, again
Speaker 11: it smacks of double standards. So you've really got a
Speaker 11: bit to work with. The double standards on the Gosling
Speaker 11: and this particularly Gossling in my view, the tax changes.
Speaker 11: You can build the narrative. They don't really know what
Speaker 11: they're doing. They're collapsing the housing market. They're actually hurting
Speaker 11: first home buyers and young people. And you just push
Speaker 11: and push and push on that, and there's opportunity for
Speaker 11: the first time. Albanezy still ahead on two pp one,
Speaker 11: Nation's helping him with the Libs still got ninety four seats.
Speaker 11: That's where hubrist can creep in, and particularly when you know,
Speaker 11: I mean, I just think journalists need to go a
Speaker 11: bit harder frankly, I mean, I'm not going to be
Speaker 11: critical of other journalists, but I mean we've got a
Speaker 11: situation here where these guys have too much of an
Speaker 11: advantage and that's never good for a political system.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to you getting back to Canberra.
Speaker 5: Mate.
Speaker 2: I think you've been missing and are much needed. I'll
Speaker 2: leave it there, thank you, Andrew Clanell. Now to that
Speaker 2: extraordinary legal loophole that's allowed two recent high profile convicted rapists.
Speaker 2: These are in two separate cases in Melbourne. The loophole
Speaker 2: that has allowed them to retain their anonymity even after
Speaker 2: they've been convicted.
Speaker 3: Well, examine this right now.
Speaker 2: Tom Sylvanney was one and Ralph Carr, sensationally named yesterday,
Speaker 2: both found guilty of rape, have become the latest examples
Speaker 2: of convicted men who have applied successfully to have their
Speaker 2: identities suppressed, at least for a short period of time.
Speaker 2: Although it's been a while in Car's case. I'll get
Speaker 2: to that in a moment. It's prompted questions as to
Speaker 2: how defendants have been able to obtain suppression orders convincing
Speaker 2: a judge that exposing their identities will somehow impact their
Speaker 2: mental health. Savvy barristers, of course, have been taking advantage
Speaker 2: of this for some time. The critics say we've got
Speaker 2: to change the system. Justin Quill's a veteran media lawyer,
Speaker 2: partner of top law firm Thompson's, and he joins me
Speaker 2: now you've been on the front line of this justin
Speaker 2: for a long time. You've written across the news court
Speaker 2: papers today that this sort of secret justice carries all
Speaker 2: sorts of promises and issues, problems and issues.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say.
Speaker 2: Justice is supposed to be transparent. I get suppressing the
Speaker 2: name of the victim, fine, but why are in this
Speaker 2: case convicted perpetrators getting to keep their name out of
Speaker 2: the media.
Speaker 13: Yeah, well they shouldn't be. And of course we're talking
Speaker 13: about two high profile cases, but I can tell you
Speaker 13: there are dozens of them, not just rape cases. There's
Speaker 13: all sorts of defendants out there who have been able
Speaker 13: to achieve an ominity through this. I say loophole in
Speaker 13: the law and the way it's done. And I might
Speaker 13: say Car was for three years. I think Tom Silvanne
Speaker 13: across four different courts, the Magistrate's Court, the County Court,
Speaker 13: the Supreme Court and even up into the Court of Appeal,
Speaker 13: and twelve different hearings with two barrister teams, managed to
Speaker 13: keep their names secret for combined five years, three for Car,
Speaker 13: two for Slvanne. The way they do it is go
Speaker 13: along to a psychiatrist. Tell the psychiatrists a whole stack
Speaker 13: of things. The psychiatrist makes a report and says their
Speaker 13: mental harms in danger. That goes in and becomes evidence.
Speaker 13: We can't test what the psychiatrist has been told, and
Speaker 13: that's the psychiatrist's job to cross examine their patient to
Speaker 13: fact check what they're being told. So effectively they're able
Speaker 13: to get this evidence in by filtering it through the psychiatrists.
Speaker 13: And it's just wrong in my view, and it allows
Speaker 13: this sort of secret justice to happen. And I hate
Speaker 13: to think what what the victims think about it all.
Speaker 2: It's pretty bad in Victoria. Is Victoria the suppression capital
Speaker 2: of Australia.
Speaker 13: There's no doubt about that, no doubt about that. Let's
Speaker 13: look at the numbers. Victoria a wait for it, Victoria
Speaker 13: has more suppression orders made every year. It has done
Speaker 13: for a number of years. More suppression orders made every
Speaker 13: year than every other state in the country combined. That's
Speaker 13: probably the same for our state debt. I suspect, but
Speaker 13: every single state added up together doesn't have as many
Speaker 13: suppresion orders as we have here in Victoria. So I
Speaker 13: might say that's not just mental harm suppression orders. We're
Speaker 13: talking generally. So there's a real problem with these mental
Speaker 13: harm suppression orders. But there's a bigger, broader cultural problem
Speaker 13: here that means there's that many suppression orders made.
Speaker 2: James Debry, who's the Shadow Attorney General for the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party in Victoria, he says there'll be what does a
Speaker 2: reform look like? What needs to change justin Quill.
Speaker 13: Well, look, firstly, just on this mental harm suppression order issue,
Speaker 13: it's really simple. The law that says you can make
Speaker 13: a suppression order to protect someone's safety, which is being
Speaker 13: used was never thought about as mental safety but is
Speaker 13: now being used that way just needs to be changed
Speaker 13: to physical safety from another person. So where there's an
Speaker 13: informer giving evidence against a crook or a bikey or
Speaker 13: someone and they are in danger, sure they should get
Speaker 13: a suppression order to protect their physical safety from someone else.
Speaker 13: So that's an easy change. Beyond that, there needs to
Speaker 13: be cultural change in Victoria that just limits the number
Speaker 13: of suppression orders being made. That's obviously a bigger task,
Speaker 13: but I hope this does become a real election issue.
Speaker 13: It should.
Speaker 2: And just before we go over it, expecting the release
Speaker 2: of an IBAC report related to Daniel Andrews and the
Speaker 2: Firefighters Union that's also been the subject of debate and
Speaker 2: legal action to keep that from the public domain as well.
Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely all. I appeared in the Tom Silvanni and
Speaker 13: Ralph Carr matters, but I also appeared in the Operation
Speaker 13: Richmond Suppression Order hearing as well. That felt a little
Speaker 13: bit like going into a boxing ring with one or
Speaker 13: two hands tied behind my back because I wasn't really
Speaker 13: able to see the material that I was trying to
Speaker 13: argue against, so it was very, very difficult. Ultimately, we
Speaker 13: were able to identify unmask who it was that was
Speaker 13: trying to keep that report secret, but we weren't able
Speaker 13: to unmask what it is that they're trying to keep secret.
Speaker 13: So looking forward to that. Finally, I think it's it
Speaker 13: seven years or maybe even nine years since these allegations
Speaker 13: were first occurred, and we still haven't had this report alway,
Speaker 13: so I'm really looking forward to seeing that.
Speaker 3: Do we have a release date? Have you got any
Speaker 3: understanding where that might be?
Speaker 13: I hope it's tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I don't think it is.
Speaker 13: I don't The short answer is, I don't know, Peter,
Speaker 13: but I hope it's sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2: I'm getting tomorrow in my year as well. Justin quill
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you very much. I thank you for
Speaker 2: your fighting for transparency and free speech there as well.
Speaker 2: Right after the break, they say imitation is the greatest
Speaker 2: form of flattery. So what does Tony Abbott make of
Speaker 2: Nigel Farage basically doing a cut and paste of Abbot
Speaker 2: Stop the Boat's policy, operation Sovereign Borders and will it
Speaker 2: work for the mess that is the English Channel? John
Speaker 2: Howard too on multi culturalism. Abbott says it's failed. Where's
Speaker 2: Howard on this?
Speaker 3: That'll be interesting. We'll talk about that one after the break.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: I'll g got you the latest on the Spanish border crisis,
Speaker 2: including an emerging conspiracy that the Moroccan government orchestrated, the
Speaker 2: whole thing that's coming out with Sophie Illsworth. But staying
Speaker 2: on the issue of illegal migration, Overn eight of the UK,
Speaker 2: Nigel Farage and his Home Affairs spokesman Zia Yusuf laid
Speaker 2: out their vision to stop the stream of illegal boat
Speaker 2: arrivals into the UK once and for all, and Australia
Speaker 2: seemingly has provided the blueprint.
Speaker 14: They tried offshore processing, they tried a number of things
Speaker 14: and in the end, what worked was towing the boats
Speaker 14: back to Indonesia and since then hardly a boat has
Speaker 14: landed in Australia. I am entirely confident, but under a
Speaker 14: reform government, within a fortnight there would be no more boats.
Speaker 2: Let's discuss this now, former PM now, of course, Federal
Speaker 2: Liberal Party President Tony Abbott, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know about the fortnite.
Speaker 2: He has got a big problem and the channel is narrower,
Speaker 2: and I don't know that France is as accommodating as
Speaker 2: Indonesia was in the end to us. But you know
Speaker 2: they've got to do something and it is almost every
Speaker 2: single element in this plan from your Operation Sovereign Borders.
Speaker 15: You're right, Peter, it's a carbon copy of Operation Sovereign Borders.
Speaker 15: There are two elements that are absolutely essential. The first
Speaker 15: is being prepared to send boats back if needs be,
Speaker 15: send people back at unsingable life rafts, which is what
Speaker 15: my government did. The second is disrupting these people gangs
Speaker 15: on land and largely with the cooperation of the Indonesians,
Speaker 15: that's what we did. And the issue for the British
Speaker 15: government is how much cooperation will they get from the French.
Speaker 15: But it has to happen by hook or by crook.
Speaker 15: It just has to happen, because what's happening across the
Speaker 15: English Channel now is a peaceful invasion.
Speaker 3: And of course we saw those shocking scenes out of
Speaker 3: that Spanish territory.
Speaker 15: Too, And this is where Europe collectively has been incredibly weak.
Speaker 15: If you lose control of your borders in the end,
Speaker 15: you lose your sovereignty. And Europe has now tolerated what
Speaker 15: amounts to a peaceful invasion for over a decade.
Speaker 2: Last night I discussed the question of religion, particularly the
Speaker 2: Jewish religion on the twenty twenty sixth census, and I've
Speaker 2: got some of the history wrong. It wasn't a ticker
Speaker 2: box option, as I said in twenty twenty one. In fact,
Speaker 2: the ABS is clarified it. They've always Jews have always
Speaker 2: had to write a tick other and write in Judaism.
Speaker 3: Now I wish that would change. I'd like to see
Speaker 3: that change.
Speaker 2: But I'd also like to see an option to Tony
Speaker 2: to tick the box on Christian because if you look
Speaker 2: down that list and your particular Christian church is not there,
Speaker 2: and a lot of churches are not there, or if
Speaker 2: you're another church going Christian, but you still are of
Speaker 2: the Christian faith. You've got to sort of be told
Speaker 2: it's okay to tick other and write in Christian And
Speaker 2: I think there's a game on to make religion disappear
Speaker 2: in this country from the left, and I'd like to
Speaker 2: see this fixed on the census.
Speaker 15: Well, there's no doubt that the green left establishment is
Speaker 15: deeply uncomfortable with Australia's core Anglo Celtic culture, with our
Speaker 15: foundational Judeo Christian ethos. I certainly think that if Anglicanism
Speaker 15: and Catholicism and Buddhism and Islam are specifically nominated on
Speaker 15: the form, why not Judaism because Jewish people and people
Speaker 15: of Jewish faith have been part of modern Australia since
Speaker 15: the first fleet from.
Speaker 3: Page to The Australian.
Speaker 2: The other day, John Howard said that this debate about
Speaker 2: monoculture versus multiculturalism is pointless. The inference didents specifically say,
Speaker 2: but the inference is that it's sort of a false debate. Now,
Speaker 2: I support a monoculture. I think we should all have
Speaker 2: a unifying, singular culture in this country. You say multiculturalism's failed.
Speaker 2: Are you at odds here with John Howard.
Speaker 15: Well, if you read John Howard's article as I did,
Speaker 15: he said that he had never been comfortable with the
Speaker 15: term multiculturalism, he had tried to avoid using it. In
Speaker 15: the end, I think he settled on something called Australian
Speaker 15: multiculturalism to distinguish it from Canadian multiculturalism, which is I
Speaker 15: suppose a product of Canada's unique history. Personally, I've never
Speaker 15: been very comfortable with the term multiculturalism. And as you know, Peter,
Speaker 15: I've contrasted the concept of Team Australia, where we are
Speaker 15: all barracking for this great country, with the concept of
Speaker 15: Hotel Australia, where people are just living here and making
Speaker 15: the most of the facilities. And I just think that
Speaker 15: we've got to remember that we are all part of
Speaker 15: Team Australia. And if we're not part of Team Australia,
Speaker 15: why are we here? I mean, that's the big question,
Speaker 15: isn't it now. John Howard, to his credit, often said
Speaker 15: that the things that unite us as Australian should always
Speaker 15: be more important than anything that divides us. And right
Speaker 15: now I'd like to see a lot more stress on
Speaker 15: our unity and a lot less on our diversity.
Speaker 2: I think, though, from the time of John Howard and
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott, there's been a real project from the left
Speaker 2: to tear us apart. I don't remember identity politics right
Speaker 2: down to denial of biology issues like that and three
Speaker 2: flags behind the Prime Minister being such a feature of
Speaker 2: our country like it is now.
Speaker 10: You're right.
Speaker 15: And again this is where how it was right to
Speaker 15: contrast the post war immigration where people were referred to
Speaker 15: as new Australians and they are encouraged and expected to
Speaker 15: integrate from day one and to assimilate as quickly as
Speaker 15: possible with the post Whitlam concept of multiculturalism, which in
Speaker 15: this era of ethnic grants and all the rest of it,
Speaker 15: can easily become a form of ethnic separatism. To use
Speaker 15: Jeff Blaney's phrase, we can become a nation of tribes,
Speaker 15: often hostile tribes, and we just have to get right
Speaker 15: away from.
Speaker 3: That quick one.
Speaker 2: You're a former health minister. There hasn't been enough focus.
Speaker 2: I don't think on this decision by the government to
Speaker 2: strip away the extra rebate that people over the age
Speaker 2: of sixty five got to help them keep private health insurance.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why it upsets me, because the government.
Speaker 2: Says It's a sure, it's a tiny saving, but it's
Speaker 2: not a real saving because that extra money from the
Speaker 2: rebate is nowhere near enough to look after these older
Speaker 2: Australians who will cost more given their age in the
Speaker 2: healthcare system. They will cost more because the moment they
Speaker 2: drop their PHR their private health insurance, as you know,
Speaker 2: they'll end up on Medicare. But the flippid response from
Speaker 2: Mike Butler on the weekend really got under my skin.
Speaker 1: Have a listen.
Speaker 16: Our independent modeling done by our officials suggests that maybe
Speaker 16: at most forty four thousand people out of several million
Speaker 16: would drop off private health insurance because of this measure.
Speaker 16: That's a very small percentage, not even one percent, not
Speaker 16: even half a percentage point at a time when insurance
Speaker 16: is growing, and obviously you know most of them wouldn't
Speaker 16: be using the public hospital system anyways.
Speaker 3: Now it's eight.
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars a year minimum if you're a single. Once
Speaker 2: you lose this rebate, the hit sixteen hundred dollar or
Speaker 2: more if you're a couple. Where do you think the pensioners,
Speaker 2: sorry people are going to get this month.
Speaker 15: Well, exactly right, Peter, Particularly pensioners and superbrannuans. They can't
Speaker 15: just go out and earn more money to cope with
Speaker 15: this extra hit. In my time as Health minister, this
Speaker 15: was something that actually saved the government money. It was
Speaker 15: a genuine investment because by helping older people to take
Speaker 15: out private health insurance, we were actually reducing the costs
Speaker 15: on the public health system.
Speaker 3: Yes, so let me make that clip of people at home.
Speaker 2: So if they were getting a thirty percent rebate, so
Speaker 2: thirty percent back from the taxpayer, they were still paying
Speaker 2: seventy percent of it themselves. Of course, if they're not,
Speaker 2: if they're on Medicare, it's one hundred percent paid by
Speaker 2: the taxpayer.
Speaker 14: Correct.
Speaker 15: So this was one of those occasions when judicious governments
Speaker 15: spent can actually reduce the overall costs to government. It's
Speaker 15: the old story. If you've got a government which is
Speaker 15: essentially a tax addict, and Anthony Albanez he is a
Speaker 15: tax addict, they take away benefits, they increase costs, your
Speaker 15: economy goes downhill and in the end the whole thing
Speaker 15: is a long term doom loop. And that's what we're
Speaker 15: on now. Thanks to the alban Ezy government.
Speaker 2: Yep, we can hit the oldies can't we but we
Speaker 2: can pay childcare for someone on half a million dollars
Speaker 2: a year at stinks, Tony, haven't.
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there. You're at arnam Land. I think
Speaker 3: I've got some pictures to put up on the screen.
Speaker 3: He was in nam Landing.
Speaker 2: Wasn't the talk fest, Garma. He was actually out there
Speaker 2: on the tools doing some good work with Nova Peris
Speaker 2: to build facilities that you can see them on the screen.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break after the break. Is there a
Speaker 2: deal between Reform and Restore to defeat Andy Burnham? The
Speaker 2: new government of the UK.
Speaker 3: It's climbing in the polls. We'll get to London in
Speaker 3: the mind moment.
Speaker 2: Welcome back coming out of parment a unity ticket with
Speaker 2: Chris Mins.
Speaker 3: This is about terror laws. We'll get to that very shortly.
Speaker 2: But out of the latest on Spain's illegal migrant crisis,
Speaker 2: authorities in ses tens of thousands of migrants who surged
Speaker 2: across the border have now returned to Morocco, but new
Speaker 2: reports say the crisis is far from over. Migrants are
Speaker 2: allegedly using jet skis to reach mainland Spain. Thousands remain
Speaker 2: hiding and surrounding hills and the precious mounting on the
Speaker 2: government over whether it's really regained control and these impacts
Speaker 2: of course the people movements between Spain and Germany and
Speaker 2: Italy and all the other countries in the EU which
Speaker 2: move to quickly suspend internal movement laws. Here to get
Speaker 2: us up to speed, News twenty four contributor News Corps
Speaker 2: Australia's European correspondent. So he deals with so if It'santiago Aspergal,
Speaker 2: he's the leader of Spain's hard right Vox party.
Speaker 3: He's been down to the region and he's.
Speaker 2: Called for the border with Morocco to stay permanently closed
Speaker 2: until Spain can guarantee it won't happen again.
Speaker 17: Peter, this is incredibly in concerning these reports that have
Speaker 17: been coming out, seeing all this surge of illegal migrants
Speaker 17: acrossing here, and it's put a lot of fear here
Speaker 17: in the UK that these illegal migrants will eventually arrive
Speaker 17: here in Britain, and it's just reignited the debate that
Speaker 17: Europe and the UK do not have control of their borders.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 17: There has been talk from Spain that a lot of
Speaker 17: this reporting has been driven by false information or amplification
Speaker 17: on social media and a lot of criticism of that,
Speaker 17: but Peter, there's no doubt that this crisis is far
Speaker 17: from over and those images that we've seen spread around
Speaker 17: the world. President Donald Trump has described it as a
Speaker 17: catastrophe and has put europe leaders on high alerg.
Speaker 3: What do you make of.
Speaker 2: Those reports that suggest Morocco's deep state may have deliberately
Speaker 2: relaxed the border controls as some sort of pressure tactic
Speaker 2: against Spain.
Speaker 17: Well, of course that has been one of the allegations
Speaker 17: that's come out of this, Peter. But there's so much
Speaker 17: information of flying around, with so many political points on this,
Speaker 17: it can sometimes be difficult to ascertain what is actually
Speaker 17: fact or fiction regarding this crisis. But again it comes
Speaker 17: back to the point that prime ministers and presidents all
Speaker 17: throughout Europe and here in the UK are now discussing
Speaker 17: the issue of illegal migration right up a top of
Speaker 17: the agenda because there are elections coming next year, including
Speaker 17: in Italy and Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney being the
Speaker 17: leader that knows this is one of the very key
Speaker 17: issues that will be a hot topic.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's by Nigel Pfarrage released Reform UK
Speaker 2: is basically carbon copy of Australia's southern borders over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Did they jump on the timing of what's happened in
Speaker 2: Spain because they know it's top of mind with voters.
Speaker 17: Peter, There's no doubt that Nigel Frage has pounced at
Speaker 17: this time because this crisis is making front pages here
Speaker 17: in the UK. The weather, as you can see here
Speaker 17: behind me, is beautiful. In England, it's been glorious for
Speaker 17: weeks on end, very warm here, great weather for illegal
Speaker 17: migrants to cross the channel, and there has been criticism
Speaker 17: that since the new Prime Minister, Andy Burnham came into office,
Speaker 17: thousands have continued to cross that channel. He has not
Speaker 17: spoken about this law of getting a handle on the
Speaker 17: issue of the English Channel between England and France. So
Speaker 17: again Nigel Frage is really seizing the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, feels like there's a real conspiracy in the British
Speaker 2: media in the way that we don't in Australia, where
Speaker 2: they just don't raise topics, that they don't want to
Speaker 2: do anything to assist reform. A lot of it, you know,
Speaker 2: as you know, has come down to Elon Musk or
Speaker 2: social media or Nigel Farage himself going out there to
Speaker 2: kick an isshoe along or get it into the public domain.
Speaker 2: There's talk now of a deal between Farage and Restore Britain.
Speaker 3: What can you tell us, are Sophie.
Speaker 17: Well, that's right. There is this discussion that Restore UK
Speaker 17: and a Reform UK may join forces coming into the
Speaker 17: next general election, which must be held by twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 17: But Peter, I highly doubt this will come to fruition.
Speaker 17: Rupert low the leader of Restore, Nigel Farage, the leader
Speaker 17: of Reform, had a huge falling out. Rupert Lowe was
Speaker 17: booted out of Reform. They despise each other. I cannot
Speaker 17: see how this will work. It's been described by some
Speaker 17: commentators here as a very bad marriage if they were
Speaker 17: to join forces. But we did see in the latest
Speaker 17: poll here in the UK lead here in the UK,
Speaker 17: Peter that Labor twenty five points ahead of Reform at
Speaker 17: twenty four points. It's the first time there've been ahead
Speaker 17: of them in quite some months. They're saying it's the
Speaker 17: burn and bounce, but will it last?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Leave it there, You're right, that weather looks glorious, So
Speaker 2: let's you get out and get amongst it.
Speaker 3: SOPHI.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me after the break the security cordon
Speaker 2: around One Nation leader Pauline Hansen perhaps two candidates. Is
Speaker 2: that going to help them politically or hinder them? My
Speaker 2: panels up next, we'll go back now to the latest
Speaker 2: on the major anti terrorism debating. New South Wales Premier
Speaker 2: Chris Mens has vowed to close a legal loophole after
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court refused to place supervision orders. I'm yak
Speaker 2: and Ben Shabah, the nephew of slain isis terrorist colored
Speaker 2: Sharof Sharof if you remember, had the children and the
Speaker 2: seven head well. Ben Shabiah was convicted this year over
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty four assault of a gay couple. Was
Speaker 2: later charged while on bail over the alleged case of
Speaker 2: pro isis material before the charges were dropped, and was
Speaker 2: released in April after successfully appealing the sentence of the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four assault. The premier says New South Wales
Speaker 2: anti terror laws should err on the side of public safety.
Speaker 2: Here to discuss that and a whole lot more of
Speaker 2: my panel New twenty four contributor lucy's Zelek and One
Speaker 2: Nation Senator of a New South Wales Sewn Bell will
Speaker 2: tell you what Lucy, I'm on an absolute unity ticket
Speaker 2: here with Chris Mins.
Speaker 4: I dare say many of us would be Peter great
Speaker 4: to be with you.
Speaker 3: It's not often that we'll agree with Chris.
Speaker 4: Mins, but on this front, I think copletely in his
Speaker 4: response to Bondai massacre, he's someone that has been leading
Speaker 4: away politics aside on all of the regardless of which
Speaker 4: gode of the old use if I think, would be
Speaker 4: that what Chrismians is advot cating for something that we
Speaker 4: should get behind, and basically pointed to the fact that
Speaker 4: he said we need anti terror architecture in South Wales
Speaker 4: that is strong and earth on the side of keeping
Speaker 4: the public safe is on the right trajectory. Here we've
Speaker 4: seen so far the new South Wales government made free
Speaker 4: attempts to try and slapp terror control.
Speaker 12: Orders on this particular individual, but because of ambiguity in
Speaker 12: the wording of the law, that's why we now find
Speaker 12: ourselves in a situation where this individual walks free and
Speaker 12: without any supervision orders.
Speaker 4: The question is when are we going to grow up
Speaker 4: as a nation, When are we going to recognize that
Speaker 4: in order to put our citizens first, we need to
Speaker 4: rejig our legislation as it stands to ensure that the
Speaker 4: people in this country don't have to endure another BONDAI massacre.
Speaker 3: You know, wrong, recall of Parliament. Crack on with it, Chris.
Speaker 2: Men's let's go to that footage we saw last night
Speaker 2: of your boss, Pauline and said in Melbourne, not just
Speaker 2: obviously where you had to do your launch, it was
Speaker 2: it where you wanted. You wanted the steps of the Parliament, Sean,
Speaker 2: but also the scenes in the Melbourne suburb of Hawthorne.
Speaker 3: You know John Howard.
Speaker 2: I was in a car with him many many years
Speaker 2: ago when he was PM and we turned up at
Speaker 2: an event and there was a whole lot of really angry,
Speaker 2: radical lefty union types and I said, oh god, this
Speaker 2: is this is terrible. That's going to make the news
Speaker 2: is tonight And he said, well, I hope it does.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what ordinary Australians need to see.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Is this a good thing for one nation do you think?
Speaker 2: Or is it going to make you hard, make it
Speaker 2: more difficult for you to get around and about and
Speaker 2: talk to voters in Victoria?
Speaker 1: Look, Peter, if people turning up and doing this had
Speaker 1: any effect of one nation's capacity to get our message
Speaker 1: out to Australian people. We wouldn't be doing as well
Speaker 1: as we are. I mean, this is something that they
Speaker 1: have tried on us for many, many decades and it
Speaker 1: will continue to fail. I mean, nothing exposed is the
Speaker 1: intolerance of the radical left, like the way they react
Speaker 1: to a peaceful gathering of conservatives who are here standing
Speaker 1: up for the best interests of Australians and Victorian's. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was what we were doing, is we were participating
Speaker 1: in democracy. And nothing infuriates the radical left more than
Speaker 1: people who disagree with them participating in democracy. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of this is tacitly supported by
Speaker 1: their labor politicians. I mean you hear them often talk
Speaker 1: about turning the temperature down, and we have seen some
Speaker 1: terrible tragedies that occurred around the world with Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: for instance, and yet you don't ever see the Labor
Speaker 1: government telling these people to turn their temperature down. So look,
Speaker 1: I will want to give them a thank you for
Speaker 1: helping promote the event. You know, the haters are just
Speaker 1: the type of fan But no, it's not going to
Speaker 1: affect us. We've got a thick skin and you know
Speaker 1: where he to deliver for the people of Australia and
Speaker 1: the people of Victoria that they were trying to prevent
Speaker 1: us helping.
Speaker 3: Lucy. Just for a while ago, I spoke to Tony Havebnitt.
Speaker 3: We talked about.
Speaker 2: From the alban Eazy government on older Australians who've got
Speaker 2: private health insurance. What about this one today? A report
Speaker 2: that says people on the pension if they want to
Speaker 2: do a little bit extra work or stay in the
Speaker 2: workforce a little longer, they're really hit hard. They end
Speaker 2: up with an effective margin or tax rate of some
Speaker 2: one hundred and six percent. It feels to me they're
Speaker 2: being punished.
Speaker 3: And I made the point with Tony.
Speaker 2: If you want childcare help in this country, you can
Speaker 2: get it even if you earn half a million dollars.
Speaker 3: But we're going after pensions.
Speaker 4: It's devastating, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Peter.
Speaker 4: I think it was the late Pope Francis who said
Speaker 4: that a civilization is judged by how it treats its
Speaker 4: elderly and the place that it gives them in community life.
Speaker 3: And right now, the place that we are.
Speaker 4: Giving them is a one hundred and six percent marginal
Speaker 4: tax rate. If they earn over sixty five thousand dollars
Speaker 4: and have two hundred k in super It's a disgrace
Speaker 4: and this is something that needs redressing immediately from the
Speaker 4: government because the way that we're treating our elderly now,
Speaker 4: we are failing, not wrong.
Speaker 3: And they've paid taxes.
Speaker 2: I'll remind everybody they've paid taxes all their lives. Lucy Sean,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry it was a bit abbreviated tonight. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much, See you both next week.
Speaker 3: That's even me.
Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow night. More flags too, I've got
Speaker 2: a lot. They'll keep coming.
Speaker 3: Here's Andrew