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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannons.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Lando Norris defeats Max Forstaffen to victory

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Speaker 1: in a chaotic Australian Grand Prix, while home favorite Oscar

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Speaker 1: Piastre gets his year off on the back foot after

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Speaker 1: spinning off the road and finishing ninth. My name is

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Speaker 1: Michael Lomonato. It's great to have your company and the

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Speaker 1: company of my co host, and thank you ever so much,

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Speaker 1: indeed as ever for waking up at four am.

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Speaker 2: Matt Clayton, I think I happy waking up at four

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Speaker 2: am for about the last week combining the Australian Formula

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Speaker 2: One Grand Prix and a motor GP weekend in Argentina.

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Speaker 2: Not not anyone's idea of a great fun weekend, but

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Speaker 2: what's a good motorsport to talk about? And well, chaotic

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Speaker 2: was the word of Sunday at the Australian Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: There was just a little bit going on, wasn't there.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit too much going on everywhere. Yes,

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Speaker 1: as we said last week, of course, motorsport everywhere, well

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Speaker 1: except for some parts of Sunday. Of course, there was

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Speaker 1: no supercars on Sunday or Formula two because the weather

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Speaker 1: really set the tone for race day Sunday. Heir really

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Speaker 1: heavy rain in the morning, easing off enough that thankfully

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Speaker 1: we've got the Grand Prix going largely without a hit necessit.

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Speaker 1: Isaac Kadjar might mention him a little bit later on,

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Speaker 1: but by and large we got to the end of

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Speaker 1: this race, not an unscathed because we had quite a

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Speaker 1: few retirements, but all told, quite a good Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: in the end to open the season. Cried a good

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix for Orlando Norris in particular. Of course, we

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Speaker 1: emerged the winner ahead of Max Withstappen by less than

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Speaker 1: a second point eight tenths of a second. And I

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Speaker 1: want to start here because of course, the big question

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Speaker 1: of the Australian Grand Prix being round one was always

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Speaker 1: going to be well where's everyone actually who's leading this pack?

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Speaker 1: We suspected it was going to be McLaren. I think

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Speaker 1: that was pretty comprehensively proved. Maybe before we look at

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Speaker 1: that end battle that decided this race map. Let's have

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Speaker 1: a look at that first qualifying and the first sint

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Speaker 1: of this race where it really looked like all that

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Speaker 1: talking down of McLaren's pace advantage by McLaren was exactly

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Speaker 1: that talking down of something that they knew was there

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Speaker 1: all along.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, isn't it. Pre season it's always this

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Speaker 2: race to the bottom and no we're not good. Look

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Speaker 2: at them. There's always ever everyone trying to trying to

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Speaker 2: run away from what the stop watching the eye test

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Speaker 2: tells you after pre season testing. But I think what

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Speaker 2: was most impressive for me was that this was a

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Speaker 2: set of circumstances. As you said, no supercars, no Formula two.

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Speaker 2: The track was super greasy. Track timp was less than

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Speaker 2: half what it was in qualifying. So Melbourne Weather remains

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Speaker 2: undefeated in the Alexicus of things. But this was the

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Speaker 2: perfect set of circumstances for the front running team and

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Speaker 2: in this case the front running driver and Lando Norris,

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Speaker 2: to trip up on something. There were so many trap

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Speaker 2: doors and trip wise for them. In that opening stint

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Speaker 2: of the race. No one had done any wet running.

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Speaker 2: The track was super changeable. Bits were wetter than others,

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Speaker 2: as you know with Albert Park, with some parts that

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Speaker 2: never really dry out because of the canopy of trees.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking of that run between turn five and six

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Speaker 2: across the back there where Albert Road is so lot

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Speaker 2: of a lot of tripwise for McLaren early on. But

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Speaker 2: what we got was this demonstration of the pace they

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Speaker 2: have in hand. We knew that it was there in

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Speaker 2: the dry. To me, it was almost more accentuated in

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Speaker 2: the wet because Norris just had this completely control, particularly

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Speaker 2: because he had for Stappen between him and Piastre in

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Speaker 2: that first into the race, after the Stappen had taken

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Speaker 2: for all this talk of yes McLaren does have a

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Speaker 2: pace advantage, I think that wasn't for debate. It was

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Speaker 2: the extent of the pace advantage. And yes he ends

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Speaker 2: up winning this Grand Prix by less than a second,

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Speaker 2: but realistically there was it was more than that. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd almost think if this was a dry Grand Prix,

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Speaker 1: and in that circumstance, probably Oscar Piastre gets a perfectly

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Speaker 1: that context and that first in once Piastre got past

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Speaker 1: while Red Bull Racing had concerns coming into this race

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Speaker 1: they weren't going to be competitive in the wet at

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Speaker 1: still the second quickest car. George Russell wasn't catching him,

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Speaker 1: this is a head of the field advantage again in

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Speaker 1: these conditions and again at this circuit. But it seems

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Speaker 1: clear that that's certainly the order of things as we

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Speaker 1: anticipate the Chinese Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: I like how you said he in relationship the staff

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Speaker 2: and then corrected yourself to Red Bull Racing because it

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Speaker 2: is still a one car team, and that's something that

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Speaker 2: we'll probably get to a little bit later in this podcast.

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Speaker 2: But to my mind, that and gap that you were

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Speaker 2: It was interesting to see where it was and it

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Speaker 2: was all the third sector, Like they were unbelievable in

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Speaker 2: Like from turns eleven through to fourteen, that thing was

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Speaker 2: that those guys had even that semi wet through that

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Speaker 1: Before we consider Norris and Vestapan's various attempts at winning

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Speaker 1: listening to Andrea Stella talk the mclarentine principle, and he said,

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Speaker 1: because the whole weekend has been, as we sort of

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Speaker 1: about why are you going to be the fastest. Well,

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Speaker 1: after the rest of the lamp? And McLaren always did,

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Speaker 1: wear was very good, but we didn't expect it to

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Speaker 1: course you did, that's why you do that. So there

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Speaker 1: it right, not overplayhand, not get too excited. I suspect

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Speaker 1: there must also be a degree of Well, the opposite

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Speaker 1: interesting aliment here. And yes, it is one track, and

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Speaker 1: everyone likes to say Albert Park is no longer representative,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Oscar Piastre's role in this, because there

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Speaker 1: was inevitable. He had the pace on Lando Norris round

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Speaker 1: perform at home. We've talked a lot and I think

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Speaker 1: it's official curse territory now. I've seen that word floated

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Speaker 1: around the Australian curve. So what did you make of it?

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Speaker 2: We need like an exorcism or something at this point.

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Speaker 2: For all of the weekends, you thought that this podium

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Speaker 2: We won't talk about that anymore. If we don't talk

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Speaker 2: I thought his weekend was genuinely excellent, but just that

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Speaker 2: key part of all of this in that, and we'll

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Speaker 2: we worked out. Wasn't it on Saturday that pstre had

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Speaker 2: After Max had made a mistake, he was second on

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Speaker 2: second driver to encounter the really wet weather late in

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Speaker 2: the race where both Norris and Piastre went off at

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Speaker 2: Piastre went off worse than Norris did and that compromise

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Speaker 2: his final result. So he had a genuinely excellent weekend.

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Speaker 2: I think he handled the attention and the pressure. I

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Speaker 2: think he handled all of that incredibly well. He was

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Speaker 2: But I was going to ask you about the team

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Speaker 2: instruction here. I mean, it didn't play out very well

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Speaker 2: in the press room, as you and I know, there

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Speaker 2: was a bit of a harrumphing going on in a

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Speaker 2: my mind, well two things. A do you think the

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Speaker 2: instruction would have been issued had the cars been in

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Speaker 2: the reverse order, if it was Piastre leading and had

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Speaker 2: let the whole race Norris tried to undo a rubbish

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Speaker 2: context here? Because it was a very wet tracks, particularly offline,

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Speaker 2: it was very treacherous. We'd see people go off they

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Speaker 2: were about to lap a couple of cars. You didn't

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Speaker 2: want to be in a situation where to let them

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Speaker 2: race while lapping traffic on a bit of a slippery track,

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Speaker 2: you could put yourself in peril. Did you understand why

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Speaker 2: they made it? But secondly, do you think it was

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Speaker 2: necessary at this point of the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good way to divide up

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Speaker 1: that question. I can, particularly after hearing from Stellar after

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Speaker 1: there is always context missing in team radio over broadcast

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Speaker 2: Ferrari was the team that he was referencing was probably

436
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Speaker 2: going to be their biggest challenge. So yeah, look, I

437
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Speaker 2: think one in the we'll learn a lot basket for Ferrari,

438
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Speaker 2: but for Hamilton, maybe we shouldn't have been surprised. It

439
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Speaker 2: was a bit difficult.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good call. I think it

441
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Speaker 1: was also interesting in retrospect to think back to how

442
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Speaker 1: much Carlos Science was aggrieved after testing about the prospect

443
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Speaker 1: of him having had only three days in the Williams.

444
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Speaker 1: And he's a driver who's changed teams regularly in his career,

445
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Speaker 1: so you think he'd be best place to be in

446
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Speaker 1: the mindset to adapt correctly. Whatever. And maybe it is

447
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Speaker 1: a case that these cars are just becoming over the

448
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Speaker 1: last decade or however long you want to pick, probably

449
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Speaker 1: overall time, more particular more difficult to jump into. And

450
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Speaker 1: maybe we're learning that with one of the most experienced

451
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Speaker 1: drivers on the grid that actually it's pretty hard and

452
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Speaker 1: he has probably chosen one of the biggest jumps, as

453
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Speaker 1: you said, from the UK to Italy, from the Sadies

454
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Speaker 1: to Ferrari, pretty different setups there. But it'll be interesting

455
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Speaker 1: to see how it evolves. Like you say, Chinese Grand

456
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Speaker 1: Prix is coming up Sprint weekend though, and it's hard

457
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Speaker 1: to know whether that's gonna be good or bad in

458
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Speaker 1: the sense it's less practice and maybe it's harder, but

459
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Speaker 1: it does just mean more competitive seat time. Maybe that

460
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Speaker 1: ends up being a positive but probably they could use

461
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Speaker 1: a little bit less pressure after Australia. But let's look

462
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Speaker 1: at Ferrari overall now, because the talk was that it

463
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Speaker 1: was probably going to be the second quickest team, even

464
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Speaker 1: if it looked maybe harvestep behind McLaren. Friday practice suggested

465
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Speaker 1: as much. In fact, Charlotte Clair was pleasantly surprised as

466
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Speaker 1: it turned out, but also optimistic that contending for Pole

467
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Speaker 1: could be on the cards, and that just got less

468
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Speaker 1: and less through the closer they got to qualifying, until

469
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Speaker 1: eventually they were nowhere near it and in the race

470
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Speaker 1: where when the rain sort of levels things out and

471
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Speaker 1: changes things a bit, but weren't really ever in contention

472
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Speaker 1: for victory for bigger points, as you said, but never

473
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Speaker 1: for the win. Disappointing for Ferrari is no other way

474
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Speaker 1: to cut it, particularly given that McLaren seems to have

475
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Speaker 1: this advantage and was let off a little bit in

476
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Speaker 1: this weekend. Is it too early to say that Ferrari's

477
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Speaker 1: has been dramatically overestimated And I've got a long season

478
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Speaker 1: ahead of us, But how big do you suspect the

479
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Speaker 1: task is for Ferrari to go back to where it

480
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Speaker 1: wanted to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was reminiscent. It was a bit

482
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Speaker 2: sort of pre Freadvess Ferrari for mine. It was a

483
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Speaker 2: bit indecisive and a bit inconclusive, and they sort of

484
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Speaker 2: wildly flight trail. Oh look they're right up the Oh

485
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Speaker 2: no they're not so. The ebbs and flows of the

486
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Speaker 2: weekend reminded me of you know, Ferrari, of days of

487
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Speaker 2: your and not particularly good ones. Look, this is classic

488
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Speaker 2: small sample sized theater, right, so you know, we've had

489
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Speaker 2: one particularly odd weekend with a new driver and the team,

490
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Speaker 2: things fluctuating quite a bit. They will, as they say

491
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Speaker 2: say in football parlance, be better for the run. I

492
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Speaker 2: don't think it everything that could have every fifty to

493
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Speaker 2: fifty thing from my mind over the course of the

494
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Speaker 2: weekend that could have swung things in their favor basically didn't.

495
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Speaker 2: And you had other teams step through that achieve results

496
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Speaker 2: that probably they shouldn't. We'll get to those later in

497
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Speaker 2: the podcast. But small sample sized theater. I don't think

498
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Speaker 2: there's too much to be worried about yet. I think

499
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Speaker 2: in a more normalized weekend, it still to me looks

500
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Speaker 2: a quicker car than the Mercedes. It still looks a

501
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Speaker 2: quicker car than one of the Red Bulls, and we're

502
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Speaker 2: obviously talking about Max at some point. But I don't

503
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Speaker 2: think there's too much to be worried about, simply because

504
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Speaker 2: there's so much of the season to play out. But

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Speaker 2: I was a little underwhelmed with what they did based

506
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Speaker 2: on what Friday showed, and then it just kind of

507
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Speaker 2: just bled away from Saturday. And even if things had

508
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Speaker 2: gone very right for them on Sunday, I don't think

509
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Speaker 2: they are continuing for a podium. They might fix fifth

510
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Speaker 2: or something and might have been a decent result, so

511
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Speaker 2: I would have expected better, But a lot of upside

512
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Speaker 2: I would say for that too.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think qualifying behind one Williams and one racing

514
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Speaker 1: ball from memory suggests to you that this was an

515
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Speaker 1: underperformance on Ferrari's part. As good as Williams and Women's

516
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Speaker 1: in particular, and racing balls looked compared to expectations, no

517
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Speaker 1: one thinks that they should be Ferrari beaters, So there's

518
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Speaker 1: definitely pace to be found as soon as this weekend, perhaps,

519
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Speaker 1: but interesting to see where that eventually tops out, or

520
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Speaker 1: whether they've reached a little bit of a ceiling in

521
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Speaker 1: the last year of these regulations. Let's have a look

522
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Speaker 1: at the order and what we've learned now from this race,

523
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Speaker 1: because it being the first race of the year means

524
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of learning to do, great unknowns

525
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Speaker 1: going in no form book going in to Melbourne. We

526
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Speaker 1: now get a little bit of that. We'll go it

527
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Speaker 1: by constructors Championship order because that'll also give you a

528
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Speaker 1: bit of an indication of where everyone shook out over

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Speaker 1: the course of the weekend.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be grim listening for a couple of teams.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's quite a few teams I think that didn't

532
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Speaker 1: expect to be quite so far down the order. McClaren.

533
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Speaker 1: We've talked about. We know they've done very well. We

534
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Speaker 1: know they're going to be contending for both titles. We

535
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Speaker 1: don't have to go back through that, but I want

536
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Speaker 1: to start with Mercedes second in the order and equal

537
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Speaker 1: on points twenty seven points after Andrea Kimmy Antonelli was

538
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Speaker 1: put back into fourth after having it briefly stripped from

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Speaker 1: him with a five second penalty. Good use of the

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Speaker 1: review system by Mercedes after the race, even if it

541
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Speaker 1: took quite a while to reach a decision. The quiet

542
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Speaker 1: achievers I think of this weekend is how I'd probably

543
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Speaker 1: assess it, considering very rare. Did we have any reason

544
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Speaker 1: to think about them? But then there was George Russell

545
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Speaker 1: on the podium and there was Kimmy Antonelli up from sixteenth.

546
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Speaker 1: I think, wasn't it to fourth in the final order?

547
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Speaker 1: A remarkable performance by him? But what do you think

548
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Speaker 1: Mercedes after this will be thinking about its season, because

549
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Speaker 1: I think they were one of the bigger uncertainties among

550
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Speaker 1: the front runners after testing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were kind of hiding in plain sight for

552
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Speaker 2: the whole weekend because I think we knew that McClaren

553
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Speaker 2: will probably the seem to beat. But every time we

554
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Speaker 2: were having a conversation, all right, so who's going to

555
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Speaker 2: issue them the big challenge? And it was well, perhaps

556
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Speaker 2: it's Ferrari, and perhaps it's a Verstapan driven Red Bull.

557
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Speaker 2: And never at any point did I really think, well,

558
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe things break right, this could be a

559
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Speaker 2: Mercedes weekend to get on the podium will really challenge. Now,

560
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Speaker 2: obviously pastre taken out of a potential podium position opened

561
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Speaker 2: the door for someone to step on that third step,

562
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Speaker 2: and that someone was George Russell. But I thought they

563
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Speaker 2: were just methodically consistent across the weekend and they got

564
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Speaker 2: their reward. Antonelli was the beneficiary of being pitted at

565
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Speaker 2: exactly the right time when that rain came down on

566
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Speaker 2: lap forty four, so he jumped quite a bit forward there.

567
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Speaker 2: But to my mind, you mentioned the fact that they're

568
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Speaker 2: the team that we're not quite sure about. I think

569
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Speaker 2: if any of these front running teams are going to

570
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Speaker 2: not turn the twenty twenty five tap off but perhaps

571
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Speaker 2: look a little bit more closely at twenty six and

572
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Speaker 2: the rule change, I reckon they might be first to

573
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Speaker 2: jump in that. I don't think they're coming into this

574
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Speaker 2: season thinking well, we're an outside shot of the championship here,

575
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Speaker 2: and I think that changes your outlook where it's like, well,

576
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Speaker 2: if we win some races and do well, that's nice.

577
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Speaker 2: But with this existing rule set, we've hit our head

578
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Speaker 2: on a ceiling. It's not gone great over the course

579
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Speaker 2: of the set. Let's get this next one right, which

580
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Speaker 2: we know they did very famously, very very well in

581
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Speaker 2: two thousand and four. So to my mind, they're the

582
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Speaker 2: team of that front running quartet that perhaps thinks about

583
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Speaker 2: next year first, and it'll be interesting to see if

584
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Speaker 2: they have some good results, whether that changes the timetable

585
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Speaker 2: on that or whether they're going to put all their

586
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Speaker 2: eggs in the twenty twenty six basket and whenever they

587
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Speaker 2: get out of this this year is a bonus, and

588
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Speaker 2: this weekend was one of those bonus chips.

589
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Speaker 1: I guess yeah. You kind of feel like if they're

590
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Speaker 1: in a similar situation to last year, in the sense

591
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Speaker 1: that they're the team that can capitalize on your random

592
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Speaker 1: weekends or when there's a mistake up front, that'll probably

593
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Speaker 1: be a success. Not slipping backwards, not ending the year

594
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Speaker 1: feeling like they didn't actually understand anything about these rules

595
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Speaker 1: at all over the last few years would probably be

596
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Speaker 1: a bit of a win. I want to talk briefly

597
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Speaker 1: about Antonelli here as well, because we'll go through the

598
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Speaker 1: rookies as we go through these teams. A little bit

599
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Speaker 1: disappointing after qualifying. I've had some car damage, it turned out,

600
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Speaker 1: which is why he struggled so greatly to get out

601
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Speaker 1: of Q one. But in the race well strategy certainly

602
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: felt his way. He had to be there to capitalize,

603
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Speaker 1: and at that point four out of the five rookies

604
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Speaker 1: were four out of the six rookies were no longer

605
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Speaker 1: there to capitalize. I thought, actually this ended up being

606
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Speaker 1: a little glimpse into why Mercedes rates him so highly.

607
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Speaker 2: And the thing that I loved about his whole weekend

608
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Speaker 2: was that he just seemed a very happy to be

609
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Speaker 2: there and be not overwhelmed at all by what was

610
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Speaker 2: going on. And you have to keep reminding yourself that

611
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: you look at the date of birth and think you

612
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Speaker 2: do a double take when years old as me and go,

613
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Speaker 2: come on, but what do we doing here? This kid's

614
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Speaker 2: eighteen years old. Surely you should be a little bit

615
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Speaker 2: more nervous or jumpy, or flighty or erratic. Nothing seemed

616
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Speaker 2: to phase him. And this was a race weekend where

617
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Speaker 2: there were a lot of things that should be you know,

618
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Speaker 2: phasing a lot of a lot of drives, particularly some

619
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Speaker 2: older ones. He seemed to just take it all in

620
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Speaker 2: his stride. Now, whether that's youthful exuberance or confidence or

621
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Speaker 2: preparation or whatever it might be, I think you're right,

622
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Speaker 2: we got a glimpse into why Mercedes is so high

623
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Speaker 2: on this guy. He looked so assured. And yeah, maybe

624
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Speaker 2: the result was a little bit better than could have

625
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Speaker 2: been on paper, but I don't think it was some outlier.

626
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to take much time at all,

627
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Speaker 2: and yeah, super interested to see how he goes once

628
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Speaker 2: he you know, early in the season, everyone's got the

629
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: right attitude and it's all fantastic. When you get to

630
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 2: race seven or eight and you're on the Triple Header

631
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: or whatever it might be, it'd be curious to see

632
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: where he is then. But I think the signs from

633
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: the start it absolutely justifies the hype, doesn't it.

634
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Red Bull racing next in the

635
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: order on eighteen points. At the end of all this,

636
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: all of them from Max for steffign it sounds like

637
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: we've heard this story before, haven't we. They didn't expect

638
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: to be contending this weekend. I think that's still the

639
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: context of this race and the conditions. Well, in qualifying,

640
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: I suppose that was a bit of Max brilliance, but

641
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: conditions allowed Max to break into it, didn't really allow

642
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: Liam Lawson to break into it though. In the end

643
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: he crashed out of this Grand Prix. Not a great

644
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: way to sy his debut, is it, obviously, but he's

645
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: full time DEBI I don't know how we want to

646
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: keep referring to this as just stop preferring to his

647
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: a rookie. Yeah, wasn't ideal, but there were some mitigating circumstances.

648
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: I think to Lawson's first weekend. There was the lack

649
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Speaker 1: of testing. There was the lack of practice, which left

650
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Speaker 1: him out in qualifying. Admitted to some mistakes. But if

651
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Speaker 1: you're red Bull racing, are you starting to fear that

652
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Speaker 1: you're going to repeat the mistakes after this round?

653
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: I mean that whole one car team thing. It was

654
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: a bit like last year, with fewer kick kats in

655
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: the media center, I guess, but.

656
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: It was.

657
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: Look, the circumstances were right in that he had some

658
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: difficulties with a car problem on Saturday rain and the

659
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: race on Sunday. The only driver that had never raced

660
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: anything at our park before this weekend, which was a

661
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: strange stat when you think that, yes, we had all

662
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: these rookies, but at least they had done Formula two

663
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: and they knew their way around in an open wheel

664
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Speaker 2: around here. He did not. I was going to say

665
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: things will get better, because quite frankly, they could not

666
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: get worse. It was a bad as bad as it

667
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: could be imagined. But I think he's proven over the

668
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: eleven races he did before this race weekend that there

669
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: is a better level than what he showed, So I'm

670
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: not worried about that yet, despite lots of yelling from

671
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: people with Mexican ties on social media, but that's fine

672
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: as for a stapp and this is where you really

673
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 2: find out how good the really really great are in

674
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: that realistically that car didn't have any business being in

675
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: a podium fight or know less than a second behind

676
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: a race win. I still think at points that as

677
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: good as Lando Norris is, he still needs a car

678
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: advantage to beat Max Withstappen and it just shows you

679
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: Verstappen in those conditions, it was Taylor made for him.

680
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: We were joking on Sundays, so who's getting ready to

681
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: write there? Max Forstappen wins Australian Grand Prix and the

682
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: rain story because we've seen this happen before and we

683
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: know how good he is. But his weekend was one

684
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Speaker 2: of extracting every single bit out of what it was

685
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: that he had, and what it was that he had

686
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: wasn't much relative to who he was racing against, so

687
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Speaker 2: a massive tick for him. But Gie, they need that

688
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: second car scoring points because it's been pretty grim for

689
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: about the second half of last season and certainly on

690
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: this weekend. So if they're not going to finish fourth

691
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: in a four horse race at the front of the field,

692
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Speaker 2: then they need more from Leam Lawson. They need it quickly.

693
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: Yesugi Sinoda had a pretty good qualifying at least, and

694
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: I think had a good race until the rain came.

695
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: We'll talk about racing Bullson just the second. Williams is

696
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: next in the Constructor's Championship points. Massive start for them

697
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: could have been more, of course than Carlos. Signs not

698
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: crashed out at the end of the first lap behind

699
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: the safety car said that was also part of his

700
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: learning process, not understanding the talk mapping under the safety

701
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: car safety car engine map, I suppose in the car,

702
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: and that's the reason why he crashed. But Alex Albon

703
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: did what Alex Albon often does, which is just puts

704
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: his head down and nails it and lo and behold

705
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: there they are with ten points. They are I think,

706
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the surprise packet of this season so far.

707
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Speaker 1: I know the race is an asterisk because of all

708
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: the rain and that, but even before in qualifying and

709
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: through practice looked competitive. It's a big unexpected step for

710
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: a team that sort of started the year saying, well

711
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: it's all about twenty twenty six is and it totally

712
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: care what happens is.

713
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: Ye massively so. I mean it's a classic Alex Albot

714
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: Australian Grand Prix. Look up and go, oh, there he is.

715
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: He has been so he's so consistent yet not doing

716
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: anything that's grabbing headlines, and he's just always there. You

717
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: remember when Williams was the worst car in the field

718
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: and you bob up in tenth place with one pit

719
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: stop on the fighter of the penultimate lap of the race.

720
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Speaker 2: But I like the noises that are coming out of that.

721
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: It's not the glasses fully empty. It's not even a

722
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: paper cup with those guys. But they don't over promise things,

723
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: and so everything they do in the context of that

724
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: is seen to be a little bit of over delivery.

725
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: Their driver lineup is a really good driver lineup for

726
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: a team at this stage of its development, if you

727
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: want to call it that, because they've got two dependable

728
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: guys who will work well together. They each have strengths

729
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: that complement the teams and they will always extract the

730
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: most out of what it is that they given operationally,

731
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: they seem a lot sharper than they have been. I

732
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: think James Vows is a particularly good figurehead for that team.

733
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: It feels much more like a serious Formula One team,

734
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: which is not something we've said for a while, which

735
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: is a strange thing to say about a team that's

736
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: had so much historical success. But we've not looked at

737
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: Williams as a normal team down the back because of

738
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: the historical success in the past. I think we've looked

739
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: at them through a different lens. They look to me,

740
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: you know, there's this going to be this battle all

741
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: season who's the fifth best team. I think we know

742
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: there's probably a top four and then who's there with

743
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: that driver line up and that leadership and that trajectory. Yes,

744
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: a little bit of a surprise, but perhaps it'll crystallize

745
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: in the next year. Ransom go. These guys look a

746
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: legitimate get into Q three scrabble for sevenths through to

747
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: tenths on a normal weekend. They look like a team

748
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: that can absolutely do that well.

749
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: The team that did finish fifth last year and is

750
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: fifth in the standings this year is Aston Martin eight points.

751
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: Pretty quiet weekend over all. I would say double Q

752
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: two elimination. Fernando Alonso bidden himself out of the Grand

753
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: Prix later when it was less wet. But advidly everyone

754
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: was being at some point or other in this race,

755
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: and as a Lance Stroll who delivered the goods in

756
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: the end with the sixth place. I don't think I

757
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: heard Lan Stroll talk hardly at all this weekend, but

758
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: it was pretty pleased on Sunday. But I think this

759
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: is my suspicions, this is a little bit, a little

760
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: bit of a reprieve for Aston Martin what's going to

761
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: be a bit of a so so sile start to

762
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: this season.

763
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And for full disclosure here

764
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: for the listeners, you and I looked at each other

765
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: on Sunday after the race with Stroll finished sixth, who

766
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: knew he barely see him on the cover, barely noticed

767
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 2: them all weekend, obviously notice them when clearly not experienced enough.

768
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Fernando a lot so he didn't have enough knowledge of

769
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: how to drive Albert Park in the rain, and that's

770
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: why he bind it. But to me that was a

771
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: little bit of an outlier result because at no real

772
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: point over the weekend did they look like they were

773
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: capable of that, so I think they were the beneficiary

774
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: of a lot of circumstances. It is going to be

775
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: a tricky start to the season for them. We know

776
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: that their focus is further down the road than twenty

777
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: twenty five, so they'll take it while they can get it.

778
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: But I guess the real thing for me is how

779
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: grumpy is Fernando going to get between now at the

780
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: end of the season, because his Friday press debrief was

781
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: quite something, wasn't it.

782
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: He's already not answering questions and they haven't even had

783
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: a full race weekend. Man, I just can't wait to

784
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: see how this one evolves, because you got this is

785
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: the feeling after testing that this was going to be

786
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: a bit of a tough year for him, and he

787
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: doesn't do toughy as well. I think generally they're all

788
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: sixth in the order, which means ahead of Ferrari in

789
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: seventh is Souber the team. Everyone expected to be battling

790
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: with themselves to finish last as they did last year,

791
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: but here they were having a better week than anyone expected. Obviously,

792
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I want to give credit to Gabriell. Bortoletto didn't crash

793
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: out of the race unfortunately, but did really well in qualifying,

794
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: maybe one of the stars of qualifying, considering he is

795
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: a rookie who has probably come in with the least

796
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: F one experience or mileage, notwithstanding he was ere n

797
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: F two last year obviously when he won the title.

798
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: This I really genuinely don't know how to read this

799
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: one for Salva, because there's sort of this impression that

800
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: actually they got testing a bit wrong and there's a

801
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: bit more pace in there, certainly not an enough to

802
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: fishy head of ferrari normal circumstances, but that there might

803
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: be a little bit there. But what did you think

804
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: of their weekend?

805
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: A lot to be optimistic about. I thought Bortiletto handed

806
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: himself really well when we know how good the Junior

807
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: CV is, and there was nothing that we saw over

808
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: the weekend that made you doubt that he's going to

809
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: be a very dependable rookie and do as well as

810
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 2: that car enables him to do. But to my mind,

811
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: this whole weekend for Sowbery is a They bought a

812
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: lot of new parts from testing and transformed the car

813
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: because it did look like a bit of a shedded

814
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: barrain awful. It was clearly the worst car on the

815
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: grid and bahrain and testing. But this is also why

816
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: you're high Nico Holkenberg, because with the experience and the

817
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: dependability and the adaptability, that race was tailor made for

818
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 2: someone like him to come through and get a result

819
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 2: that they shouldn't already beaten last year's points tally, which

820
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: admittedly is which admittedly is a very low number. So

821
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: let's not get too carried away here, but they could

822
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: not have come to Melbourne with any expectation that was

823
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: going to be the case. They were. It's faint praise.

824
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: They were less bad than I was expecting. So it's

825
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: about as excited. It's about as excited as I've got

826
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: to get about. So Albert look good, really good race

827
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: operationally for them. Hulkenberg's a very very safe pair of hands,

828
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: and look excellent weekend for them relative to some of

829
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: the teams that they're going to be around. In the

830
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: Constructor's title.

831
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: Yes, so for Ari seventh, we've talked about the disappointments

832
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: of their weekend and where they can improve. L Pine eighth,

833
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: I would have thought there'd have been a couple of

834
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: points in the story for them Pierre Gasly was in

835
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: good form this weekend, and of course we should talk

836
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: about Jack doing here, who I think actually had spite

837
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: crashing out of the race on the first lap. A

838
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: fairly solid weekend considering the pressure he's under. A. It's

839
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: his home race. B the presidence of Franco colo Pinto

840
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: looking in the shadows as the reserve driver, the talk

841
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: about five races to prove himself, et cetera. I thought

842
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: you'd actually looked pretty assured, like a driver was a

843
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: little bit more experienced than he was. But no points

844
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: was the story for a helping And let's talk about

845
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: Jack doing here. How did your set his weekend look.

846
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: The first lap in those conditions, I mean, Isaac Kadja

847
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 2: didn't make the start, Carlos Signs crashed before the first

848
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: lap had finished. You had a four hundred and one

849
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: race Veterani Fernando a lot So throwing it at the fence.

850
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: It was one of those sorts of days. And so

851
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: you can give Jack a pass to a degree for

852
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: what happened on the first lap. I thought generally on

853
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: track he looked pretty assured. The margins and the comparison

854
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: to Gasley was pretty favorable, probably better than maybe we

855
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: were expecting. Across the sessions and through qualifying, he's qualifying

856
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: got ruined by a yellow flag on his best lap

857
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: in the last sector. I think what was more impressive

858
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: for me was he knew what the narrative was going

859
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: to be coming into this weekend with all of the

860
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: Colopinto stuff, and he's at home and all the pressure.

861
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: I thought he handled that incredibly well. He was assertive

862
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: without being overly punchy and aggressive about it, but he

863
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: also wasn't just going to sit back and cop it either.

864
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: He was very much on the front foot. He used

865
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: that classic set of Australian humor, let's to diffuse a situation.

866
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: There are a few earnest questions being peppered at him

867
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: in the Thursday pre race press conference. I thought you

868
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: handled that incredibly well. I think if there was any

869
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: other narrative than perhaps this guy's a dead man walking

870
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: with this five race deal or whatever it might be,

871
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: we'd look at his weekend very, very differently. I thought

872
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: he handled the weekend pretty well. I think the gap

873
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: between he and Ghastly would give Alpine pause for thought,

874
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: because perhaps it was better than they were expecting it

875
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: was a perfectly dependable I'm going to say debut, even

876
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: though it wasn't his first race of his second, but

877
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: really starting a first full season under that microscope. I

878
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: actually thought he had a pretty decent weekend and they

879
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: should be pretty optimistic with Yeah.

880
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: I've been a big advocate of his raw speed because

881
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: that was clear enough to qualifying. He did do a

882
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 1: little bit better than I expected because he was ahead

883
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: of Ghastly until those yellow flags, so quite a lot

884
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: of pace there. And you do hope that if Alpin

885
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: is considering turfing him later, that this is giving them

886
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of a moment to think that, actually,

887
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: the guy that invested so much money over the last

888
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: few years, maybe he's worth a bit of a crack.

889
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: Racing Bulls in ninth place in the constructors Championship again

890
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: another team that looked like there could have been a

891
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: point or two, particularly in the rain considering where Yuki

892
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: Snoda started, but also Isaac Hadja having qualified eleventh, the

893
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: fastest of the rookies. I guess this doesn't he hasn't

894
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: had He hasn't started his first race, has it? The

895
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: statistics books will show zero starts. I believe. So maybe

896
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: his debut wasn't a write off because it technically hasn't

897
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: happened yet, but a lot I think actually to be

898
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: excited about for this team, considering their testing performance looked

899
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: pretty unremarkable, but this weekend in the dry and qualifying

900
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: and even wow, the WED is a little bit harder

901
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: to read, I suppose, but Yuki Sonoda probably could have

902
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: scored point said strategy for and more of his favor.

903
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: This team looks more together than I expected.

904
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, much more so. I thought Sonoda was clearly the

905
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: second best Rebel back driver over the course of the

906
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: race weekend. And as we know, we'll never see Red

907
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: Bull's main team that's another story, but to my mind

908
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: he probably would have finished around where Hulkerberg was. I

909
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: thought that was probably like a seventh or eighth for

910
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: that team based on where they were in qualifying. He

911
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: was excellent the entire weekend. I think he's really matured

912
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: as a driver at a point where it's probably not

913
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: going to matter within that organization unfortunately. But to my mind,

914
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: they were the team that could be the most disappointed

915
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 2: of that other group leaving Melbourne because they probably should

916
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 2: have had some points as you mentioned, Haja was good

917
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: the entire weekend. We know that he's probably going to

918
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: be a bit spikier in terms of performance trajectory than

919
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: in the other rookies. I think the high points will

920
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: be very high. I think there'll be some races that

921
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: are not so great, or he'll do some things that

922
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: are a bit regrettable. Now, obviously what happened on Sunday

923
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 2: on the formation lap could happen to anybody, probably always

924
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: going to be happening to a rookie. I don't know

925
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: what you made of the scene as he came back

926
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: into the paddock and was consoled by Anthony Hamilton, who

927
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: is the father of Ajar's absolutely idol in Lewis Hamilton.

928
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: I thought that was a nice touch and showed the

929
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: compassion of a parent. I guess, you know, look looking

930
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: knowing how Haji must have been feeling at that time,

931
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I quite subscribe to the helmet Marco

932
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: theory that I was just embarrassing and just dismiss at all.

933
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: There is a human element to this sport that's particular.

934
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: Members of that team seem to have a look from

935
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: time to time. But I thought racing bulls had a

936
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: much better weekend than we were expecting and taking some

937
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: of the randomness out of the back end of the race.

938
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: I thought Sonoda was one of the quiet underachievers of

939
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 2: the weekend.

940
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly don't subscribe to Helmet Marco's viewpoint there. I

941
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: thought that was on most things one most on most things,

942
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean showings, a human emotion, a kind of what

943
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: makes sport. And so I'm glad we heard, you know,

944
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: an unvarnished look at that, and you know he did

945
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: the classic keep your homet on. But that's that's part

946
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: of it. And also they'll have been at a minimum

947
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: massive adrenaline, adrenaline release or let down after crashing out

948
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: as you're going to the grid. I think it's all

949
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: pretty understandable. And yeah, you're right, I think it's I

950
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: think ironically, actually he's walked away from this race, maybe

951
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: with his reputation and expectations a little bit embellished, weirdly

952
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: enough because of the speed he is shown and because

953
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: I think it and that sort of reflects on the

954
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: fact that that formation lap accident was understandable, even if

955
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: it was a little bit unfortunate. And finally, let's talk

956
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: about half the team I didn't think would be attempting

957
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: to constructive standings no points. I mean, at this point

958
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: the constructive standings are kind of meeting this. But tenth

959
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: and last is also where this team seems to be

960
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: on pure pays. They did the same thing last year

961
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: we're in testing. They did no qualifying lap running and

962
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: they turned up to the first race and they were

963
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: reasonable and they had a pretty good year. Same strategy

964
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: this year has not delivered. Have shown no one lap

965
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: pace whatsoever. No race face admitted was in the wet.

966
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: So maybe we give him a little bit of a

967
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a leave pass on that respect. But

968
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: Oliver Bherman atrocious weekend v here haven't got about fourteen

969
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: laps in total before the race, did at least finish,

970
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: but he finished had last. This is a little bit

971
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: concerning after such a good year for us, after so

972
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: much positivity last season. This feels like a real admittedly

973
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: on the basis of one race, but a real step backwards.

974
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: You probably should have paused for about a minute before

975
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: we started talking about hass because that's how far they

976
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: were behind everyone else relative to the forwards over the

977
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: Australian Grand pre weekend. It was slow, it was unreliable.

978
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: Oliver Bherman, the man from Chelmsford, is he was probably

979
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: discussed on the coverage, managed to hit a lot of

980
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: stationary objects and wasn't very fast when he was on track.

981
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: We know that he's better than that because we saw it,

982
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: you know, those cameos that he made last season. But

983
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: it was alarming for me that, I mean, look, someone

984
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: has to be last as the place sport works. But

985
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: they were so nailed on last with absolutely nowhere to go.

986
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: And you know, it's not like they're lacking in experience

987
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: with estebanoc On on the other car, but it just wasn't

988
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: capable of being in a position to even capitalize on

989
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: a bit of late race craziness. It was absolutely nowhere.

990
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: And you're right, I mean, they have had this plan

991
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: the last couple of years where we're not going to

992
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: chase performance runs in testing, going to make sure the

993
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: car's reliable, it's works well on heavy fuel, so and

994
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: so forth. You would hope for their sake that this

995
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 2: was a bit of an outlier because it started badly

996
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: and never got better at any point. They were completely

997
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: cast to drift off the back. Funnily enough, they probably

998
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: did have a little bit of a say in how

999
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: this race was run, as we discussed a little while

1000
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: ago about McClaren saying, hold station while we're lapping these

1001
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: cars because they're so slow and we don't know where

1002
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: they're going to go. But man, they have got a

1003
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: I don't know to my mind who I think the

1004
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: ninth best team is based on Melbourne, because it was

1005
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: a little conclusive and a bit of ratic. Whoever that

1006
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: is halfs is a long long way behind them.

1007
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: Yes, and with approximately as you said, a million races

1008
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: still to go, very long season for them in twenty

1009
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: twenty five. Before we wrap this one up, mat of course,

1010
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: we need to visit in with not only what's happened

1011
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: in the last week of motor sport in terms of action,

1012
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: but also our predictions. Let's start with the move of

1013
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: the week by Shannon's no shortage of motor racing over

1014
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: the course of the weekends. It hasn't been too tricky

1015
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: for us to pick some thing. Why don't you go first?

1016
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: Well, the best bit I like about this is neither

1017
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: of us have shared our answers beforehand, so we can

1018
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: we can surprise one another. I go go back and

1019
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: watch this, but I overtaken them over taken. The week

1020
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: for me in Motor GP was it was the last lap.

1021
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: It was Fabio de gen Antonio on Joanes Ziko for

1022
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: fifth on the last lap in Argentina. Not because fifth

1023
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: there's anything to write home about other than the fact

1024
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: it did lock out the top five places in the race.

1025
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: Fu Jucati, which is another story, but it was an

1026
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: unbelievable move at turn eleven, big long left hand, you

1027
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 2: basically can't pass there. It's that place where you would

1028
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: only try to pass on the last lap. And the

1029
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: best part about it was did Year afterwards said I

1030
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: had to invent somehow the overtake and I want the

1031
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 2: video of this overtake. So that was why he sent

1032
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: it on the last lap, so he requested the video,

1033
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: He got the video, he got the per finishing in

1034
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: the top five, but underlighting Ducatti's dobbitt, it's with a

1035
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: brilliant pass on the last lap. Although a Honda and

1036
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: sixth place is not something we've said for a while,

1037
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: so I don't think Johannes Zarko was too disappointed with that.

1038
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: But that's my overtake of.

1039
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: The week anyway, I like, you know, I don't know

1040
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: when exactly it took hold, but this the idea of

1041
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: sending it to becoming overtaking parlance in other sport. I

1042
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: like the idea that I've requested the video will be

1043
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: the new You've gone for a big, gutsy overtake. I

1044
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: requested the video and I got it.

1045
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: I think that's very Yeah, he aimed high and I

1046
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: hit the target.

1047
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also like, wasn't it only a week ago

1048
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: that he described his shoulder as being at zero percent

1049
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: after injury and was still declared victoration.

1050
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Righter declared fit the greatest three words in Bodo GP.

1051
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: It's partially while we love it, it's like it'll be,

1052
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: it'll be fine. One of my shoulders works. Nothing to

1053
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: see here.

1054
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, look my pick I think was much more well,

1055
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was much more straightfward. It was

1056
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: certainly straightforward. It's something we've already mentioned. In fact, that

1057
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: Oscar Piastri's move on Lewis Hamilton into the turn nineteen

1058
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: she came laid in the races is, of course, after

1059
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: Oscar had already spun off the track. He's podium dreams

1060
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: were dashed. He'd gone to the back and was recovering admirably.

1061
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: I can't really think of the last time I saw

1062
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: and move through there that wasn't on a back marker,

1063
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: although maybe you could argue the Ferraris were a little

1064
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: bit backmarker vibe this weekend considering where they were relative

1065
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: to McLaren. Certainly, certainly Oscar made the Ferrari look like

1066
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: a different category of much lower category of car. But

1067
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: I just liked that controlled anger that I think we

1068
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: sort of talked about the way he was driving there.

1069
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: Not every driver can drive angrily, certainly, and every driver

1070
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: can overtake their angrily such a clean clinical part. Of course,

1071
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: he needed Hamilton to play ball there because he could

1072
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: have so easily punted them both out of the race

1073
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: and made his Ferrari debut even worse. But I mean

1074
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: it took a lot of guts in the wet to

1075
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: pull that off, and I just did superbly.

1076
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's very much one of those you can't pass

1077
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: their corners, as one of those ones where if you

1078
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: are the faster car, you set yourself up for the

1079
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: rundown to turnal eleven and dive down the inside and

1080
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: get it done there with a significantly less peril. But

1081
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: I think final lap of the race, and as we

1082
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: discussed before, a bit of a hometown red mist, he

1083
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: was sending that and did it rather nicely. The point

1084
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: you made about Hamilton is very true, because a less

1085
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: experienced driver or maybe someone realizing, you know, I need

1086
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: to give this guy some space. Yeah, and to be

1087
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: fair to Pastri, there was no lock up, there was

1088
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: nothing sideways, he wasn't on the curve, got it done

1089
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: cleanly and clinically, I feel like it should have been

1090
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 2: worth more than one extra point. It was pretty good, nonetheless.

1091
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: Worth more than just ninth place. Maybe a future I

1092
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: wonder if that'll just give everyone a little bit of

1093
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: a nudge to try it in the future. I think

1094
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: that qulit end disastrously. Oh yeah, people were attempting at

1095
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: nine to ten, But we'll wait and see. That's the

1096
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: last week of racing as it was, But Matt, we

1097
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: can't end without looking forward. Thanks to complete home filtration,

1098
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: our crystal ball for the next week of motorsport. Much

1099
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: quite a week this weekend of motorsport. But of course

1100
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: you can look beyond that. The crystal ball has no

1101
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: limits the crystal You can predict something for twenty twenty

1102
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: eight if you really wanted to. So what are you

1103
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: looking forward to? Crystal ball?

1104
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: The way it's going to get. The moment will Mark

1105
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: makes lose a race before twenty thirty eight, I think

1106
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to go down that path.

1107
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: But look not so good, oh man.

1108
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: The next week of Motor GP, of course, is where

1109
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: we go to the Circuit of the Americas in Texas,

1110
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: where he's quite good. You may have heard over the

1111
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: course of time, so I could say, look, Marquees is

1112
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: going to keep this unbeaten streak for twenty twenty five

1113
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: going at Coja, But that would be the most lame

1114
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: prediction of all time. So what I'm going to predict

1115
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: is Ducati won't lock out the podium in Texas, which

1116
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: is they've been doing for fun basically in every race

1117
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: and sprint so far this year. I think we're going

1118
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: to see an Aprillia on the podium there, and I

1119
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: think it's going to be Marco Bidzeki, simply because I

1120
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: think he's leading the charge there at the moment with

1121
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: Juge Martine still being out injured, and lets we forget

1122
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: Aprillia won a race. They won both races at Coja

1123
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: last year with Maverick Vignalez. That was the last Grand

1124
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 2: Prix Ducati did not win. That's nineteen some days ago,

1125
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: almost a full calendar year. So it's about time we

1126
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: had this streak of Decati podium lockouts end. And I'm

1127
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: saying it's going to be Buzeki at Cota.

1128
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: Well, it would be spectacular because you're also means you well,

1129
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean you're necessarily predicting Mark Marque is not going

1130
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: to have things all his own way, are you, But

1131
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: it's not going to be one hundred percent Caddy, which

1132
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: would be very impressive. So you're going to have Mark Marquez,

1133
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: Alex Marquez and then a brilliant.

1134
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: Correct Well, actually no, I think I think the Berzekie

1135
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: could actually split the Marquess boys. Alex Marquez isn't brilliant

1136
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: around Coda as much as he's been a new rider

1137
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 2: this year. But picking against anyone other than Mark Marquez

1138
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: at Cota most years are silly, and this year is

1139
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: even sillier.

1140
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: Well, I look forward to seeing it. I could have gone,

1141
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: you know, the popular choice for this weekend's Chinese grand

1142
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: friends said, you know Oscar's going to avenge the disappointment.

1143
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: It's going to win the race, going to show us

1144
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: the championships on I still think that will probably happen,

1145
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: but that's just not what I'm going to predict. I'm

1146
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: going to say that Ferrari's start of the season is

1147
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: going to get a little bit worse before it gets better.

1148
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: I think this is a bit of a longer term fix.

1149
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say who. I'm going to say

1150
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: one of them is going to be knocked out lowly

1151
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: in Q two. I think it's not going to be

1152
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: a double Q three, so even worse than they're doing.

1153
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: I know it's very middle of the road prediction now

1154
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: I think about it, but it will be dire because

1155
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: this is Ferrari. Don't forget saying that it was Friday

1156
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: practice that was indicative of their pace. Of course, when

1157
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: Charlottelair topped Friday practice and not the low qualifying and

1158
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: the race results, I think there's a little way to

1159
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: go on this Ferrari. I I thought it was interesting

1160
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: that after the race that you know, often on a

1161
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: Sunday when the team's you know, made a mistake on Saturday,

1162
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: I don't say it at the time, but by Sunday

1163
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: night they say, ah, look, we know we did this

1164
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: wrong this X and Y, and they didn't ever really

1165
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: say that, So I think that there's a little bit

1166
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: more for them to discover before this season gets going well.

1167
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: And also we've got a sprint weekend too, so Friday

1168
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: practice singular, there's only going to be one of them,

1169
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: so we're straight into sprint qualifying on Friday, So the

1170
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: time for that team to cure whatever ills it had

1171
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: on Sunday at Albert Park is pretty limited this weekend,

1172
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: so I don't mind that prediction at all.

1173
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: That's all the time we have for pit Talk today.

1174
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,000
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1175
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,279
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1176
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,200
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00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,600
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1178
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,480
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1179
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,480
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1180
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1181
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