1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fear and Greed, Politics and Stuff. I'm Michael 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Thompson and hello, Sean Aylmer. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: I can't listen to that name of our podcast here 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: and not lam politics and stuff. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: Do we confess now, Sean? 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: A lot of brand research went into it. Yes, that's 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: what we're confessing, aren't we, Michael, that's right. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: We were so focused on what we were going to 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: be talking about and making sure we covered all of it, 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: that we forgot to think about the name. 11 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: And on the day, yep, Michael just said politics and 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: stuff and we looked at each other and went, Okay, 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: all right, it's known. 14 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, it's out there now. Anyway, the nature of 15 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: this show is that every week between well now and 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: the federal election, we're looking at the campaign, the key issues, 17 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: the polls, how the leaders are fairing, and the lead 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: up to May three? We are are we officially halfway there? 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: We must be close to it. In fact, we might 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: be a little bit over halfway there. 21 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: Goodness. It has got to be one of the stranger 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: selection campaigns. 23 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been totally overwhelmed by Donald Trump. Now we're 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: running to school holidays in Easter, so we're not hearing 25 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: as much as we might normally be. 26 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 1: But if you are paying attention, we are now hearing 27 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: at last about some actual issues. 28 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: Right Housing center stage. Five percent deposit for home buyers 29 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: is what the government's proposing. Tax deductibility of mortgage payments 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: for home buyers is a coalition's policy. In both cases, 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: it's first home buyers, not for everyone. Which one you 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: like depends on whether you can say if you deposit 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: five percent of a rather than a twenty percent deposit, 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: probably means you likely to get into the market sooner. 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: Tax deductibility is one of those things which people are 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: strained about. Tax deductibility of mortgage payments sounds like a 37 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: great idea, and I think it is a great idea 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: so long as you don't get negative gearing as an investor, 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 2: so it would actually work to get people into the market. 40 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: If investors you don't want don't want everyone to have it, 41 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: So that's a problem there. The other big thing that 42 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: we've heard over the last week's tax changes, it's all 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: been about cost of living relief. Both sides kind of 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: tiptate around tax changes. In the budget. We got a 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: small tax cut from the government. Now they're all in, 46 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: you know'out. It's about winning votes. The ALPE wants to 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: introduce a new standard tax deduction of one thousand dollars 48 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: a year and work related expenses. The Coalition a one 49 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: off tax cut of up to twelve hundred dollars at 50 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: the end of the next financial year. They might talk 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: about fiscal discipline, but they want to win votes at 52 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: the moment. 53 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: Which is just the way it goes, isn't it. And 54 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: it always happens. Both parties will always go into an 55 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: election declaring that they are the one to the best 56 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: place to safeguard the economy and to really kind of 57 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: tighten the belt and make sure that we can get through. 58 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: But they will always line up to dish out a 59 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: few few goodies. 60 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: Always always, if you had to pick out. 61 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: Sean the most awkward moments of the week of the week, 62 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: oh yes, let's do that from both parties. 63 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So well, if there's only one for the ALP, 64 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: it's the kiss, isn't it is the kiss? The non 65 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: kiss ALBA going into tenure plebisec Environment Minister. They have 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: electorates next to each other, clearly not friends, No, they 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: just they They didn't even get closed to each other. 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: It was on the It was in Perth at the 69 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: launch of the election campaign for Labor Albaneze was going 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: through saying lad everyone and oh gosh it was awkward. 71 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: Oh it was just and they're even from the same faction. 72 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: There's no I don't know what the background is, but 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: they clearly do not like each other. 74 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: And if you do have differences, surely you put them 75 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: aside during the election campaign, or at least just have 76 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: it out behind closed doors, not when every camera in 77 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: the country is on you. 78 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, it wasn't even an air kiss. It was like, 79 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: what's you know, a massive gap kiss. It was just uncomfortable. 80 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: Now, what about the other side? 81 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: I actually think Peter Dutton brought his son Harry into 82 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: the election campaign and Harry, who is an apprentice carpenter 83 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: twenty year old, very young, said he and his sister 84 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: were struggling to say for a deposit for a house. 85 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: This is part of the housing campaign from the coalition. 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: Now we would not normally ever talk about the kids 87 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: of politicians, except that Peter Dutton introduced him and made 88 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: him sent a stage. Then someone said, so will you 89 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: be helping Harry save now? Peter Dutton has a property 90 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: portfolio and he ignored the question. He just started talking 91 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 2: on other things and it was dreadful and after about 92 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: twenty four hours he first out and cid, I probably 93 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: will help Harry save for a deposit. But it just 94 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: it was like an own goal. 95 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: It was easily foreseeable, ye, especially when the Bank of 96 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: Mum and Dad is one of the top ten lenders 97 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: in Australia. So of course somebody was going. 98 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: To ask about that, especially mentioned to the Greens too. 99 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,679 Speaker 2: They decided to have a dance party on an Anzac 100 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: Dane Perth. Not really appropriate. 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: That's a dishonorable mention that one everyone was against them. 102 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: Oh god, that's uncomfortable. Can I ask you one more question? 103 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: I want to wrap this up, but just briefly, right, 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: And Tanya Plipasek actually reminded me of this, who do 105 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: you think the biggest asset for each party is? Because 106 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: in the past Tanya Plipsek has been one of those 107 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: politicians that has enormous popular appeal yep right, And you 108 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: often see the profile of certain politicians, certain front benches 109 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: from each side really elevated during an election campaign, so 110 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: that if the prime minister or the opposition leader can't 111 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: be in an electorate. They really they send out a proxy. 112 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Who do you think it is for each party this time? 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: Yes, the proxy I mean Jim Charmers obviously the Treasurer. 114 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: There are others who aren't really proxies for Albanisi but 115 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: certainly help him. Penny Wong being the obvious one. I mean, 116 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: she's incredibly capable Foreign Minister and popular Foreign Minister Don Farrell, 117 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: I'd even straight into that the Trade Minister to some 118 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: accept No. 119 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yes, except for the fact that he's a 120 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: lot more prone to gaffes and things. 121 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: It's kind of likable Don Farrell, that's the thing about it. 122 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: I don't know then, you know, sort of the Chris 123 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: Bowens and the Mark Butler's and that of the world 124 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: are probably just the old God yeah, a little bit, 125 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: a little bit. But I mean, I suppose Jim Charmers 126 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: Penny Wong are the two big assets for Labor. 127 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: And I suppose Jim Chalmers had an almost unfair kind 128 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: of head start because of the budget leading into the campaign, 129 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: so he had this huge profile off the back of that. 130 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: So what about the Liberal Party? This is this, I say, 131 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: is this is actually a harder one. 132 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,559 Speaker 2: I mean, so when you're in opposition, it's much harder 133 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: to make ground in this area. Now, Angus Taylor has 134 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: actual you've done a good job the Shadow Treasure. He 135 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: has come out and has kind of found media attention. 136 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: Someone else who actually is a really good media performer 137 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: and gets a lot of attention is Jane Hume. 138 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: Now it's a good point. 139 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:21,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the other coalition members kind of get 140 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: not such good media attention, but Jane Hume, I reckon 141 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: has done a reasonably good job in terms of performing 142 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: in front of the media, and they're happy to push 143 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: her out too, So I'd probably throw her into the mix. 144 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well we kind of wandered off off 145 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: topic a little bit there, but you know what, I 146 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: think it's all interesting. 147 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: I'm with you. 148 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: Thanks Sean. 149 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: Thanks Michael. 150 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: Join us every Wednesday during the campaign for our election coverage. 151 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Thompson, and this is fear and greed, politics 152 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: and stuff.