Speaker 1: This is outside, Good morning, and welcome to Outsiders, the
Speaker 1: show that is to woke madness and TVs on steroids.
Speaker 1: What the nineteen eighties rocker Bruce Springsteen, known as The Boss,
Speaker 1: is to putting on an amazing, riveting show of guitar thrashing,
Speaker 1: vigor and rock and roll magic.
Speaker 2: The majority of our elected representatis have failed to protect.
Speaker 3: The American people from the ebusions of the one.
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Speaker 4: Oh dear, Yes, that was poor old Bruce doddering around
Speaker 4: the stage in England, inspiring Donald Trump to put out
Speaker 4: this tweet saying, I see that highly overrated Bruce Springsteen
Speaker 4: go to a foreign country to speak badly about the
Speaker 4: President of the United States. Never liked him, never liked
Speaker 4: his music or his radical left politics. And importantly, he's
Speaker 4: not a talented guy, just a pushy, obnoxious jerk who
Speaker 4: fervently supported crooker Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: And according to this clip, it looks like mister Springsteen
Speaker 5: may have more in common with mister Biden than just
Speaker 5: a politics.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Boss channels the Big Guy, and while we
Speaker 1: wait for Bruce to write a hit song called making
Speaker 1: being Born in the USA Great Again? Or how about
Speaker 1: it Trump was born to run. Let's grab the latest
Speaker 1: outside his news. Well, there's going to be a little
Speaker 1: bit of we told you so here on Outsiders this morning,
Speaker 1: as I don't like to see anybody suffer at the
Speaker 1: head at the hands of the defamation lawyers. But John
Speaker 1: Pursuito is up for some over two million dollars two
Speaker 1: and a half and in two point three I think
Speaker 1: it is million dollars Caroline and Rita four. The more
Speaker 1: redeemed idiocy that the day after MOI Redeeming stood at
Speaker 1: that perfectly legitimate protest for women's rights down in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: Rita Pursuito came out and now a couple of years
Speaker 1: later he's going bankrupt and out of politics.
Speaker 4: Well, yes, we hate to say we told you so,
Speaker 4: but he was told repeatedly on this program. I wrote
Speaker 4: columns about it in the Herald Sun the day after
Speaker 4: that you are on the wrong track with this. You
Speaker 4: need to apologize and deal with this issue in an intelligent,
Speaker 4: honest manner instead of trying to be than Dan Andrews
Speaker 4: against your own MP whose only crime was to stand
Speaker 4: up for women's rights. Now we covered the Let Women
Speaker 4: Speak rally here in Sydney. I went out there. They
Speaker 4: were charming to me, I can tell you and Moreo
Speaker 4: Deeming went out there, she was physically assaulted by these
Speaker 4: leftist protesters. No one said a word about that at
Speaker 4: MP being physically assaulted, police told her and her daughters
Speaker 4: to leave. They couldn't protect her, and instead she was
Speaker 4: blamed for the actions of these dozen costplaying Nazi idiots
Speaker 4: who had nothing to do with the let women's So
Speaker 4: Pursuito knew all this, he was told over and over again,
Speaker 4: did not listen, and now he's in danger of not
Speaker 4: just losing his career, losing his job. He may be
Speaker 4: declared bankrupt if you can't raise this money, which means
Speaker 4: there'll be a by election in his seat. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's hard to think of how you could go out
Speaker 4: in worse terms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Caroline, Well.
Speaker 5: The Liberal Party apparently has a problem with women, or
Speaker 5: so we keep here. The problem is so many of
Speaker 5: them don't be able to can't define what a woman
Speaker 5: is exactly if they can't. If he couldn't see John
Speaker 5: Pursuito that MOI Redeeming was standing up for women's rights
Speaker 5: against a radical trans lobby and a group of neo
Speaker 5: Nazis who were just great gay crashing the whole thing
Speaker 5: out of opportunism, and he's ignorant, he's frankly, he's stupid.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was to me so offensive. It wasn't
Speaker 4: just that he was so absolutely wrong and was obviously
Speaker 4: defaming this woman and causing all sorts of issues. It
Speaker 4: was the political stupidity of it, the fact that he
Speaker 4: didn't recognize this was an opportunity to actually lay a
Speaker 4: glove on Dead Andrews. Because Dead Andrews came out and
Speaker 4: attacked Mora. When we saw the actions of those leftist
Speaker 4: ferals who were causing all sorts of violence, police couldn't
Speaker 4: hold them back. That's how these neo Nazis just managed
Speaker 4: to march up and instead of saying I'm going to
Speaker 4: stand with the majority of Victorians who do believe in
Speaker 4: women's rights, who don't think men should be in women's
Speaker 4: sports and in women's spaces, in women's shelters, change rooms,
Speaker 4: he would have actually elevated himself in his standing and Victoria.
Speaker 4: But no, he was going to be more radically left
Speaker 4: than Dan Andrews, and let's see where he's ended up.
Speaker 1: But there's a few lessons out of this, as well,
Speaker 1: I remember speaking at the time to an MP down
Speaker 1: there in Victoria and a Liberal Member of Parliament there.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he was saying, Oh no, no, John Pursuito
Speaker 1: has got.
Speaker 6: To fight this.
Speaker 1: More redeeming was completely out of line. You know, she's
Speaker 1: brought the party into disrepute. Well, seriously, who's brought the
Speaker 1: party into disrepute? I mean, let's be serious. To two
Speaker 1: point three million dollars in the red bankrupt kick is
Speaker 1: having to stand down seriously, And the stupidity of these people,
Speaker 1: and this goes to the heart of the problem. The woke,
Speaker 1: the woke Liberal Party, the woke you know, so called moderates,
Speaker 1: I call them the bedwedders. But the woke members of
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party and the coalition who did the same
Speaker 1: thing to Catherine Deves. You remember, outstanding candidates who could
Speaker 1: have topped, could have knocked off Zali Stegel, but Scott Morrison,
Speaker 1: you know, because she'd been criticizing the trans lobby. Scott
Speaker 1: Morrison put her in the cupboard, locked the key and
Speaker 1: wouldn't let anyone talk to her for the entire election campaign.
Speaker 1: And she did not win. Same thing with more redeeming.
Speaker 1: These women who were brave enough, the bravery it took,
Speaker 1: and we saw it at the time, the whole Western world,
Speaker 1: you were being canceled if you dared to criticize any
Speaker 1: aspect of the transgender community. There are few, and there
Speaker 1: are very very few brave women, Saldrov among them. We
Speaker 1: had her hero on outside with panic. Yes, but you're
Speaker 1: brave anyway. But these women were out there at the
Speaker 1: marchers and they got demonized for simply standing up for women.
Speaker 1: It does my head in one woman who has risen
Speaker 1: to the top. Maybe it's her numerology that helped her
Speaker 1: get there. The top of the load party is Susan.
Speaker 1: Don't you fooled by the spelling Lee Susonly. I've got
Speaker 1: to kind of remind myself of that. But anyway, because
Speaker 1: I'm tempted to say something else, but she's there at
Speaker 1: the top now, Rita.
Speaker 4: She's a very close thing. A couple of MPs changing
Speaker 4: their mind and it would have been a tied vote.
Speaker 4: So and also that voting box is going to change
Speaker 4: because there's going to be a few changes with the
Speaker 4: election we've just had, so it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of conjecture that she's a placeholder essentially.
Speaker 4: I think that's a very dangerous game to play to
Speaker 4: particularly put a woman into that position in the Liberal Party,
Speaker 4: the first female leader, if they're not serious about her
Speaker 4: taking them to an election, because you can see what
Speaker 4: the reaction would be if she's challenged in six, twelve,
Speaker 4: eighteen months and removed from that role.
Speaker 5: So she will challenges to eventually come from just another woman,
Speaker 5: another woman. She would have to.
Speaker 1: Get into the Lower House before that.
Speaker 4: There is precedent for that. It has happened once before.
Speaker 4: But yeah, she would have to have a very safe
Speaker 4: seat that she will be contesting at the next election
Speaker 4: to be doing anything like that. So I'm sure she'll
Speaker 4: be given an opportunity to prove herself. The criticism, and
Speaker 4: I think it's very well founded criticism, is that she's
Speaker 4: a flip flopper, that her instincts aren't fantastic that she has.
Speaker 4: You know, it was pro Palestine, now she's pro Israel.
Speaker 4: She was anti live sheep trade, now she's for it.
Speaker 4: She was against the Stage three tax cuts, now she's
Speaker 4: for them. Goes on and on. So her instincts.
Speaker 5: Shouldn't necessarily be held against a person. To open your
Speaker 5: minds and be able to change your views. I take
Speaker 5: what you think.
Speaker 4: At that age, you should know what you think. I'm
Speaker 4: not suggesting she's changed her views because she's grown and
Speaker 4: I think she's just political expediency has seen her doing it.
Speaker 5: I think in the issue, I mean she was like
Speaker 5: the chair of the Friends of Palestine group in Parliament
Speaker 5: and she went on a trip to Israel. Julian Lisa
Speaker 5: took her the Federal Jewish MP. She met with lots
Speaker 5: of people. In his view, and I've read a piece
Speaker 5: that he wrote in the last few days. She genuinely
Speaker 5: changed her views. Go she'd grown up in the Middle East,
Speaker 5: She'd was brought up to believe a certain thing, that
Speaker 5: was exposed to certain beliefs which had formed her view
Speaker 5: about the Palestinian people. But she she genuinely changed her views.
Speaker 5: Now it's difficult for us to test.
Speaker 4: That wasn't.
Speaker 1: I think Peter Dutton's greatest legacy and the one thing
Speaker 1: he should be remembered for is his support for Israel
Speaker 1: during from October seventh. The only a straight politician it's
Speaker 1: really really stood up and thought. So Susan Lee is
Speaker 1: competing with that, and I wish her well on that front,
Speaker 1: But I think to the bigger issue, which is going
Speaker 1: to be net zero, and it is clear I would
Speaker 1: say that Susan Lee is there because of the so
Speaker 1: called moderates. Good luck being a moderate. Basically you stand
Speaker 1: for nothing and you will fail in politics if you start.
Speaker 1: But she hasn't ruled it out, but she is clearly
Speaker 1: the candidate of choice of those groups within the Liberal Party,
Speaker 1: and that there is a cancel within the Liberal Party
Speaker 1: which has been there. Everybody knows it. Tony Abbott tried
Speaker 1: to fight against it, which is this kind of awful
Speaker 1: kind of connection between lobbying and politicians and the renewables industry,
Speaker 1: and it has led to candidates being preferred if they
Speaker 1: are in favor of the renewables industry, which means supporting
Speaker 1: net zero. Now, the reality is the Liberals, the Coalition
Speaker 1: will never win government unless they abandon net zero and
Speaker 1: pull out of Paris. I'm promising you that. And the
Speaker 1: sooner Susan Lee wakes up to that fact, she's going
Speaker 1: to have a fight on her hands because the people
Speaker 1: who largely were pushing to get her into that position
Speaker 1: are very very strongly in favor of renewables. We all
Speaker 1: know who we all know invested in it. And the
Speaker 1: battle will be whether the coalition can reconcile because clearly
Speaker 1: the Nats one out of net zero they know it's
Speaker 1: a disaster, Caroline. But if the Liberals stay with net
Speaker 1: zero a they risk fracturing the Liberal the coalition permanently,
Speaker 1: even the Liberal Party fracturing Liberal Party. So it's serious stuff.
Speaker 1: It's net zero or not.
Speaker 4: Well, it's net zero or not. And since they've embraced
Speaker 4: net zero, they've lost two elections directly and lost them badly.
Speaker 4: This is what's astonishing to me. And we talked about
Speaker 4: this the Sunday after the election because you could see
Speaker 4: it happening, and it happens every single time the Liberals
Speaker 4: go labor light and get beaten.
Speaker 7: Ye.
Speaker 4: The analysis, the post mortem is well, no, you didn't
Speaker 4: go left enough. We're listening to those sky and is
Speaker 4: after dusk despite the fact that they listened to nothing
Speaker 4: we said. In fact, we spent all this year criticizing
Speaker 4: them for being weak and unprincipled and not actually giving
Speaker 4: the Australian people a creature.
Speaker 1: Can I just interrupt you there, because we've got this hilarious.
Speaker 1: I thought it was comedy I thought it was a
Speaker 1: stand up comedy. It was the two Barries Barry Cassidy
Speaker 1: speaking copy of Insiders. It would taking the show that
Speaker 1: tried to replicate Outside but never never quite got there Insiders.
Speaker 1: He's back again doing something or other and this character
Speaker 1: Tony Barry from the libertol I have a listeners comedy,
Speaker 1: Gold have listened.
Speaker 8: One of the challenges for Little Party is because media
Speaker 8: has become so tribal these days across the whole spectrum,
Speaker 8: and our branch members love Sky after Ducks there news
Speaker 8: and they are incredibly influential over pre selections and over
Speaker 8: our membership. And you know, I spoke to a fairly
Speaker 8: senior Liberal MP. I was up in Canberra and he said, man,
Speaker 8: I've got to go. I've gotta watch I've gotta watch
Speaker 8: the Skuy after Dark. And I was like, what are
Speaker 8: you watching that for? And he was like, I've gotta
Speaker 8: find out what my branch members are being told, he said.
Speaker 8: You know, he said, I get back to my electorate
Speaker 8: and go to my branch meetings and I've discovered that,
Speaker 8: you know, for the last two weeks they've been told
Speaker 8: this particular issue, so they become highly influential, and that
Speaker 8: is driving a lot of our membership vote, and so
Speaker 8: you know that that influences our pre selections and the
Speaker 8: quality of people we can we can choose, we.
Speaker 1: Should be rolling around with us. I mean, seriously, that
Speaker 1: guy they had the Guardian logo up the head drilling
Speaker 1: into the side of his brain was the word Guardian
Speaker 1: and everything that guy said was complete nonsense. Barry Cassidy
Speaker 1: sat there like the words were coming down from from
Speaker 1: the from the mountains.
Speaker 4: The biggest exposure he has had to someone who supposedly
Speaker 4: on the other side, supposedly going.
Speaker 1: Some liberal MP somewhere. He told them, somebody watches Sky News.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you believe you have?
Speaker 4: I mean, god forbid that you would have liberal MPs
Speaker 4: who actually are in touch with there what their members
Speaker 4: think about. I mean, maybe if they listen to those
Speaker 4: those members and actually formulated policies that we talk about
Speaker 4: here on Sky and is up, maybe they wouldn't be
Speaker 4: absolutely trashed by running a labor light Week policy and
Speaker 4: now veering further to the left and again completely destroying
Speaker 4: any chance they have of being an alternative government. I
Speaker 4: don't understand how they can keep and we've seen it
Speaker 4: in victorious. I can't understand how it happens. Every time
Speaker 4: they listen to these bedwetters, the absolutely as a nine
Speaker 4: commentary and they lose. There's no learnings from it. There's
Speaker 4: no Well, maybe we should, you know, think of something
Speaker 4: a bit more intelligence. Maybe maybe we should stop listening
Speaker 4: to the people who keep having us life. They keep
Speaker 4: going down that.
Speaker 5: They keep listening to people who would never vote Liberal
Speaker 5: in the first place and don't really want other people
Speaker 5: to vote Liberal because like Barry Cassidy, they are labor
Speaker 5: supporters that he worked for a labor prime minister. You know,
Speaker 5: these people need to start listening to people who would
Speaker 5: actually vote for them and have voted for them and
Speaker 5: want them to win, other than people who really don't
Speaker 5: want the Liberals to.
Speaker 4: Be If you listen to those two, you would have
Speaker 4: never opposed the voice. You would have at the very
Speaker 4: least run dead on it. You would have had the
Speaker 4: most sorry, you would have run dead and not taken
Speaker 4: a position and said this is up to the Australian people,
Speaker 4: which is what so many of these bedweatherers were advising
Speaker 4: Peter Dutton to do. And that's part of the reason
Speaker 4: why I took him ten months to finally come out
Speaker 4: and pose it, and we saw what happened when you
Speaker 4: posed it, every state said no. More than sixty percent
Speaker 4: of Australian's voted no. That's Australia. These people would have
Speaker 4: you believe that Australia is inherently they call it progressive,
Speaker 4: they mean woken left wing. Exactly, it is not. But
Speaker 4: you have to give that sixty percent an actual choice.
Speaker 4: You have to give them something.
Speaker 1: Now, sixty percent did not vote for Labor at the
Speaker 1: last selection. In factor was high and that was sixty
Speaker 1: five percent roughly who did not vote for labor. But
Speaker 1: as Rita was saying, the reality is, had the coalition
Speaker 1: listened to the many, many different commentators and voices on
Speaker 1: Sky newsers, obviously if they'd listened to outsiders, they would
Speaker 1: have won in the landslide, as I did say they
Speaker 1: would over a year ago, had they purely gone down
Speaker 1: the route of copying what they'd done on the voice.
Speaker 1: But anyway, they refused to listen to any advice from
Speaker 1: virtually any of the commentators here on Sky many different
Speaker 1: advice on all sorts of different topics. They're pretty much
Speaker 1: ignored at all, That's why they lost because they weren't listening.
Speaker 1: They were listening to the ABC. They were listening to
Speaker 1: the likes of Barry Cassidy or the insiders crowd. They
Speaker 1: were not listening to actual people who want the coalition
Speaker 1: to win. That's what the sky presented. They wanted the
Speaker 1: Coalition to win. They were offering from the bottom of
Speaker 1: their hearts advice on they could see. Can't you see.
Speaker 4: Where they going to be a reckoning? When is there
Speaker 4: going to be a reckoning when they go down the
Speaker 4: road they did where they embraced net zero, they embraced
Speaker 4: big spending at a time where we can ill afford it,
Speaker 4: where they really just the one policy differentiation they had,
Speaker 4: which was nuclear, they barely talked about because they were
Speaker 4: terrified of it and it didn't come into the twenty
Speaker 4: thirties anyway, so it wasn't going to really have an
Speaker 4: impact on people's energy prices in the next few years.
Speaker 4: So when is there going to be a reckoning for
Speaker 4: the people who recommend these catastrophic but.
Speaker 1: Have listened to Tony Abbott? Carol just us to this
Speaker 1: grab of Tony Abbott speaking about the election.
Speaker 6: Is there we go?
Speaker 3: We let the country down. This election was so so winnable.
Speaker 3: People had concluded that the government didn't deserve to be
Speaker 3: re elected. We failed to make a sustained case against
Speaker 3: the government. There was that policy to get the public
Speaker 3: service back into the office. The Labor Party successfully portrayed
Speaker 3: that as an attack on everyone working from home, and
Speaker 3: so we reversed it. We said we were going to
Speaker 3: have a policy on revising the curriculum to make it
Speaker 3: about education, not indocrination. In the end we didn't do it.
Speaker 3: We never had an immigration policy, even though we'd frequently
Speaker 3: said that we thought immigration should be cut. In the
Speaker 3: end we didn't even have a comprehensive energy policy.
Speaker 1: I mean pretty cutting words there. Caroline from Tony Abberts.
Speaker 4: As someone who has won from opposition side it backing policy.
Speaker 4: This is that the very people we just heard from
Speaker 4: the Barries would have told you do not embrace those
Speaker 4: policies because the Australian people aren't interested in that. They're
Speaker 4: not interested in the culture wars, they're not interested in
Speaker 4: these conservative positions. And Tony Abbott proved that yes, you
Speaker 4: can win in a landslide. Caroline backing that the.
Speaker 5: Liberal Party just became scared of their own shadow.
Speaker 1: They terrified.
Speaker 4: They just backed.
Speaker 5: Away from all the policies and ideas that had popular support.
Speaker 5: You might not hear it if you listen to the
Speaker 5: ABC or read nine Papers or the Guardian, but people
Speaker 5: were asked sick of the race to renewaballs, they but
Speaker 5: they weren't given an option between the two.
Speaker 1: I think rather than watching skyne Is, I think all
Speaker 1: those Liberal MP's had the bird cage cover over the
Speaker 1: television when Sky was on because they ignored everything that
Speaker 1: was said. But what a beautiful segue. One liberal member
Speaker 1: of the Liberal Party who I'm going to embarrass him
Speaker 1: because that's what I enjoy doing. Is often compared to
Speaker 1: Tony Abbott from people that I know, is of course,
Speaker 1: Liberal senator from South Australia Alex Antick, and he joins us. Now, Alex,
Speaker 1: great to have you on the show. Good to see you.
Speaker 1: We've just been dissecting the election campaign, so we won't
Speaker 1: put you in the awkward position of saying what went
Speaker 1: terribly wrong? But do you tell Alex what went terribly
Speaker 1: wrong in any election campaign?
Speaker 9: Well you've made me blush rowing My ties turned red
Speaker 9: as a result of that, So thank you for that.
Speaker 6: Look, look, I think.
Speaker 9: I was listening to what you're saying and all of you,
Speaker 9: and I think each one of you had merit in
Speaker 9: the points you're making. I mean, it really is about courage,
Speaker 9: but there is such a big backstory that we don't
Speaker 9: have time for all of it today.
Speaker 6: But I just make this observation.
Speaker 9: This country has stopped I guess dire Fi the lifters,
Speaker 9: and now we are sort of almost putting the leaners
Speaker 9: on a pedestal in this country. We've become a big
Speaker 9: government country that's used to handouts, and I think there
Speaker 9: was a view inside the Party that we need to
Speaker 9: pander to that and to outspin the Labor Party, so
Speaker 9: we lost the economic narrative, and also to run from
Speaker 9: the so called culture wars and to run from I guess,
Speaker 9: policies that really resonate with middle Australia, with ordinary Australians,
Speaker 9: and that comes from, I think, effectively just a lack
Speaker 9: of positioning ourselves for those people. And this is not
Speaker 9: really about left and right, although I would say I
Speaker 9: think the party needs to shift pack to the right.
Speaker 9: I've been quite open about that, but that's because I
Speaker 9: think the vast majority of Australians are sent to right voters,
Speaker 9: as the voice showed, as you quite rightly pointed out.
Speaker 9: So my view is as it's been for many, many
Speaker 9: years here in South Australia. We have been restocking the
Speaker 9: shelves at membership level with people that share our values,
Speaker 9: true liberals. They've been pre selecting people who have been
Speaker 9: making their way to Parliament to the extent that they can.
Speaker 9: I mean obvious, the elections like we saw don't allow
Speaker 9: every candidate to get through, but we had many, many
Speaker 9: of them. We had Leah Blithe, who I think you
Speaker 9: had on your show last week, who is doing some
Speaker 9: great work in the education space here pushing back on that.
Speaker 9: We've had legilative counselors like Ben Hood. It's all about
Speaker 9: making sure that the Liberal Party is pre selecting and
Speaker 9: supporting people with courage, people with true liberal values, and
Speaker 9: you do that by getting involved. You know the minor parties,
Speaker 9: who many of whom and I don't wish to speak
Speaker 9: ill of them, because I know many of the people
Speaker 9: involved with the minor parties in this country. They mean well,
Speaker 9: they speak the right language, but they're never ever, ever
Speaker 9: going to be parties of government. This is The reality
Speaker 9: of the minor party, minor conservative party movement in this
Speaker 9: country is it's a little bit like eating a violet
Speaker 9: crumble for dinner. You feel like you've eaten dinner, you've
Speaker 9: got the sugar rush, but in actual fact you haven't
Speaker 9: done anything substantive. We've got to get true liberals back
Speaker 9: to the Liberal Party, pre selecting strong, true liberal candidates
Speaker 9: and getting them into parliament.
Speaker 1: Violent crumbles for dinner those days sounds.
Speaker 4: I mean for that, but you at the very least,
Speaker 4: if you can't absorb those people back into the party
Speaker 4: and really have the broad church that is spoken about,
Speaker 4: how can you have some preference discipline amongst those right
Speaker 4: landing because we see with the Greens there's great discipline
Speaker 4: with their preferences going to labor, but with those center
Speaker 4: right minor parties, the preferences are all over the shop.
Speaker 4: And you're the Liberals. The coalition isn't really getting the
Speaker 4: net benefit there.
Speaker 9: No, And you're right, and of course we haven't seen
Speaker 9: any I guess purchase coming out of the minor conservative parties.
Speaker 9: We haven't seen I think one nation haven't increased their
Speaker 9: their numbers and aren't likely.
Speaker 6: To at this election. So it is a bit of
Speaker 6: a scatter gun.
Speaker 9: What it does is it takes not only the enthusiasm,
Speaker 9: the manpower and I guess the candidates away from the
Speaker 9: Liberal Party, but it also does, as you say, spray
Speaker 9: the preferences. And this is one of the issues. I mean,
Speaker 9: the left are inherently collective. They do everything with purpose,
Speaker 9: and the Greens and Labor do work hand in glove
Speaker 9: in many instances, as has the teal movement. Frankly, I
Speaker 9: mean that has been part of this picture.
Speaker 6: Whereas on the right of politics.
Speaker 9: And this is exactly what Mensis did back in the forties,
Speaker 9: by the way, as he saw the same problem arising
Speaker 9: and got everybody under the same banner saying, look, you're
Speaker 9: all going to have to take a haircut on your values. Libertarians,
Speaker 9: you're not going to get everything you want. Religious conservatives,
Speaker 9: you're not going to get everything you want. But we're
Speaker 9: better together than a part. And that's been the fine
Speaker 9: balance of the Liberal Party over the years. My view
Speaker 9: is it's like a game of football. You're only ever
Speaker 9: going to get a red team and a blue team
Speaker 9: on the field. The blue team is the only vehicle
Speaker 9: which is going to save this country, to save Australia.
Speaker 9: We need to save the Liberal Party.
Speaker 1: Caroline.
Speaker 5: You heard us talking Alex about the net zero target
Speaker 5: and how we think that needs to be abandoned for
Speaker 5: the Liberals to have any chance of winning. What's your
Speaker 5: view on this and what do you think that the
Speaker 5: new leadership the Liberal Party is going to do.
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 9: First of all, I mean I think myself and Matt
Speaker 9: Canavan might have been the only two Coalition members at
Speaker 9: the time when it was adopted by the Morrison government
Speaker 9: to speak out about it. I mean, I've never had
Speaker 9: any time for the net zero concept. I think it's
Speaker 9: completely flawed. I think it's it's detrimental to our country
Speaker 9: and it's detrimental to our sovereign interests, and it doesn't
Speaker 9: make any sense apart from anything else where one point
Speaker 9: whatever two percent of the world's carbon emissions.
Speaker 6: Why are we doing this?
Speaker 9: You know, if you look at other countries that are
Speaker 9: energy rich, they wouldn't even go near it. So that's
Speaker 9: my very clear view. I've had it for a very
Speaker 9: long time. As to what's going to happen, I don't know.
Speaker 9: I really don't know, but I think the only way
Speaker 9: this party is going to appeal to the electorate is
Speaker 9: to dumb net zero.
Speaker 6: We have to do it, and I hope that's the case.
Speaker 9: I hope we said when Ted O'Brien did some great
Speaker 9: work with nuclear you know along the way, and part
Speaker 9: of that I think was couched in the kind of
Speaker 9: you know, energy forum. We have to keep pushing along
Speaker 9: with that. But it's more than just simply nuclear. As
Speaker 9: Matt Canavan said, We've got other energy sources in this
Speaker 9: country that needs to be properly used and we have
Speaker 9: to drown out those voices of zero, the voices of
Speaker 9: the Paris Agreement. It's all harmful for this country.
Speaker 1: Now, Alex, I want to ask you about I'm going
Speaker 1: to be talking about it later in the next hour
Speaker 1: of the show, but the unrealized super tax. So this
Speaker 1: is this idea that the tax office will decide what
Speaker 1: you've what you're the earnings in your super If you
Speaker 1: happen to have a self managed super fund. For example,
Speaker 1: you might have some farmland in there, or you might
Speaker 1: have shares or assets or property whatever. The tax office goes, oh,
Speaker 1: well that's now worth x more than it was a
Speaker 1: year ago, So we're going to tax you on that. Now,
Speaker 1: this idea. It began with Joe Biden. It's it's to
Speaker 1: my mind, it is capitalism in reverse. It's decided. You know,
Speaker 1: it's creating a profit that isn't there and then taxing
Speaker 1: you on it, whereas surely the entire point of our
Speaker 1: capitalist system is that you make money for yourself and
Speaker 1: then once that money is there, you give some of
Speaker 1: it to the tax office to help the country run. Well,
Speaker 1: how can the coalition and what did the coalition need
Speaker 1: to do to really fight this tax?
Speaker 9: Alex Well, we need to, we need to resist it,
Speaker 9: we need to speak against it, obviously, is my view.
Speaker 9: And I mean, this is the big government ponzi scheme
Speaker 9: we've entered into. I mean we you know, labor governments
Speaker 9: really have no way of creating wealth, so they have
Speaker 9: to take it from somewhere else. That's what we're going
Speaker 9: to see here. And this won't be alone, by the way,
Speaker 9: there will be other grabs on your cash.
Speaker 6: I still hear stories from.
Speaker 9: Farming families of years ago of death duties and what
Speaker 9: that would do to capital, you know, asset rich, cash
Speaker 9: poor families at the time. This could be devastating for
Speaker 9: this country. And look, I mean it's just there are
Speaker 9: many grounds upon which to fight. One of them is economic,
Speaker 9: you know, there are others in a cultural space as well.
Speaker 9: And I'm a bit sick of hearing people saying we
Speaker 9: shouldn't fight the culture was, Well, they started it, by
Speaker 9: the way, So what do you mean we're not going
Speaker 9: to fight that. But in this issue, this is probably
Speaker 9: the pre eminent economic issue I think of the next
Speaker 9: three years. But what I'm concerned about is what else
Speaker 9: is out there as well. I mean, if you're going
Speaker 9: to fund a big government term, well, you know, then
Speaker 9: you need to fund it, and you need to find
Speaker 9: ways in which to get the capital away from hard
Speaker 9: working people.
Speaker 6: That's what we're going to see.
Speaker 1: There was Murray what was interviewed just beforehand, and he
Speaker 1: made a little telling comment. I don't have the words precisely,
Speaker 1: but he said something about, well, it won't be quite
Speaker 1: as concessional as it used to be. Is the idea
Speaker 1: being that, well, the government is not going to give
Speaker 1: you quite as much back as the government always gave you.
Speaker 1: So this is this idea, Alex that the Labor Party
Speaker 1: and the left have that all the money in the
Speaker 1: country is their money, and that they're just letting you
Speaker 1: have bits of it, as opposed to the idea that
Speaker 1: it's our money and we're letting the government have bits
Speaker 1: of it. Is that a fair analysis of the difference
Speaker 1: between left and right?
Speaker 9: Well, I hope so. I mean, you know, we have
Speaker 9: to from my side of politics, resist the temptation to
Speaker 9: outspend it out tax and we have to be.
Speaker 6: Brave on this.
Speaker 9: We haven't seen a lot of reform in politics for many,
Speaker 9: many years. There as a school of thought that the
Speaker 9: electorate needs to go through these bad times in order
Speaker 9: to understand what this actually means. I hope that's not true.
Speaker 9: I don't think that's true. I think we should have
Speaker 9: sold a better case in order to avoid that this
Speaker 9: time around. But look, I think you know we saw
Speaker 9: that with the super scheme in many respects. I mean,
Speaker 9: as you know, my friend Senator Jered Reddick would always
Speaker 9: say it's people's money, it's not your money to the
Speaker 9: other side of the chamber. We would say it all
Speaker 9: the time, and it always resonated with me. Is this
Speaker 9: is not just a honey pot for governments and bureaucrats
Speaker 9: to sink sink their claws into. This is real Australian's
Speaker 9: real money for their real savings, and the whole purpose
Speaker 9: of it was to get them off the government system
Speaker 9: once they retire, not to fund all sorts of other
Speaker 9: big government projects, which is what we're seeing.
Speaker 4: We've got the Union movement emboldened like he never before.
Speaker 4: Then I'm going to waste this landslide victory by labor.
Speaker 4: They're threatening to shut down the country, shut down Australian
Speaker 4: Transport and saying, you know, there's nothing wrong with being militant.
Speaker 4: How do you see that progressing? Are they just going
Speaker 4: to get what they want? Or is alb and Easy
Speaker 4: capable of standing up to them?
Speaker 9: Well, I guess we're entering into that territory of what
Speaker 9: ifs now in a little way, because really all we
Speaker 9: need in the Senate is for the Labor and the
Speaker 9: Labor and the Greens to agree to come to a deal,
Speaker 9: and they pretty much have control of all the leavers
Speaker 9: now with it. That brings a whole lot of problems.
Speaker 9: We're seeing that with the Prime Minister and his own
Speaker 9: internal machinations, with some problems with ministries, and I suppose
Speaker 9: we're going to see that with the Union movement as well.
Speaker 9: I mean, they will be clambering for the spoils like
Speaker 9: everybody else will be. We've heard a lot about this
Speaker 9: Prime minister and how you know he's reported in the
Speaker 9: Australia he's been able to tame the factions. Well, that
Speaker 9: hasn't historically been a very successful full you know, thing
Speaker 9: to say out loud from the labor movement in this country.
Speaker 9: Let's see, I think these are the sorts of problems
Speaker 9: you get. You know, there's the story of Icarus flying
Speaker 9: too close to the sun comes to mind, and you know,
Speaker 9: we all know what happened to poor old Chorus. So
Speaker 9: let's let's see how the Prime Minister goes taming the
Speaker 9: various union movie Icarus.
Speaker 1: Never got to go in the chairman's lounge.
Speaker 5: Just remember that, Alex. Susan Lee, and we should acknowledge
Speaker 5: she lost her mother over the weekend as well, so
Speaker 5: our thoughts go out to her with that. But there
Speaker 5: has been a lot of speculation about whether she is
Speaker 5: going to have the party support all the way up
Speaker 5: to the next election and whether she has what it
Speaker 5: takes to maintain the leadership to that point.
Speaker 9: What's your view, Well, I mean, you know, Susan Susan
Speaker 9: the leader, and yes, I should reiterate that condolences to her.
Speaker 9: I haven't had a chance to speak to her, but
Speaker 9: that's awful news. So that's straight off the bat. But look,
Speaker 9: I mean, look, I think there's a lot of a
Speaker 9: lot of water goes, a lot of I guess difficult
Speaker 9: conversations to be had. Susan's the leader, and you know
Speaker 9: we would expect that that would continue on. I should
Speaker 9: say from the outset, I voted for Angus because I
Speaker 9: think Angus is an extremely capable person. I would have
Speaker 9: voted for j Cina as well, but Susan's the leader.
Speaker 9: We support the leader, and we wish her well and
Speaker 9: I'm looking forward to seeing what she can do.
Speaker 6: I think it's as simple as that.
Speaker 9: And I think she's got some qualities to bring to
Speaker 9: the table that are going to surprise people and let's see.
Speaker 6: Where it goes.
Speaker 9: But you know one thing we don't need is I
Speaker 9: guess ructions in the party room. You know, it's a
Speaker 9: difficult enough business as it is, so let's hope that
Speaker 9: things are smooth sailing as they can be.
Speaker 4: Well, talking about those ructions, we're already seeing leakings and
Speaker 4: briefings against MP's Fairfax papers running with a hit piece
Speaker 4: on Just Enterprise saying that there were liberal MPs or
Speaker 4: upset that she didn't run for that deputy position once
Speaker 4: Angus didn't get the leadership. How do you see that?
Speaker 4: I mean, if there is to be unity, how do
Speaker 4: you bring those factions together? Because I can understand why
Speaker 4: someone who's done the work Senator Price has done would
Speaker 4: be pretty disheartened to see people within the party briefing
Speaker 4: against it.
Speaker 6: Look, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 9: I haven't read the article, but I mean I can
Speaker 9: understand why she didn't. I mean, the numbers just would
Speaker 9: not have been there, so there wasn't much point, I
Speaker 9: suppose in standing. So I totally understand that. As to
Speaker 9: the question of how it's all kept together, well, I
Speaker 9: mean John Howard did it we expect. Look, I don't
Speaker 9: want to go through the old hackneyed statement of it's
Speaker 9: a broad church. I mean, it may not be helpful
Speaker 9: at this point, but we are always, as I said,
Speaker 9: Mensi's always intended this party to be sort of a
Speaker 9: conglomerate of a various different number of ideas. There are
Speaker 9: always going to be at tensions, I guess in that space.
Speaker 9: And you know, once again we have to as a movement,
Speaker 9: I think, take some sort of lead from the labor
Speaker 9: movement and the left in this country, who seem to do,
Speaker 9: you know, hold their line very effectively on keeping those
Speaker 9: tensions a little bit behind closed doors. That's one of
Speaker 9: the problems with the Liberal Party is that because we're
Speaker 9: a bit more open, we have our pre selections in
Speaker 9: a bit more of a democratic manner. A lot of
Speaker 9: these tensions I suppose get aired. But you know, as
Speaker 9: the Howard era shows, we're better off together than a
Speaker 9: part and the country needs us. I mean, I think
Speaker 9: this is the bottom line. Is the only thing that
Speaker 9: can save this country from the sort of things we
Speaker 9: saw in the United Kingdom in the early eighties is
Speaker 9: a Liberal party that's functioning properly. So I mean, that's
Speaker 9: the message. It's got to be here. But you know,
Speaker 9: I maintain we do want the Liberal Party to be successful.
Speaker 6: We have to. There is no other alternative, and it
Speaker 6: just has to work.
Speaker 1: I agree, and that broad church only works when the
Speaker 1: central pillar of the broad Church, Alex in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is opposition to socialism. That's what the party founded on
Speaker 1: net zero is socialism. It's pretty simple to me, Alexander.
Speaker 1: Always great to chat to you, and we'll speak again
Speaker 1: saying thanks mate after the break. Creator's reality. Lots more
Speaker 1: here on Outsiders in a.
Speaker 4: Technical you're watching Outsiders with your hosts Rowan Dean, Caroline Marcus,
Speaker 4: and I'm read to Panahier and soon we'll be delving
Speaker 4: into the world of net Zany, including Sydney missing out
Speaker 4: on events because of the local council's climate obsessions. But first,
Speaker 4: this week, while President Trump was making history in the
Speaker 4: Middle East, pursuing peace and forging partnerships with a bold
Speaker 4: new direction. Yes, Trump has rejected the new con warhawk
Speaker 4: interventioners that have caused astonishing damage to the region. This is
Speaker 4: what is preaching.
Speaker 10: Before our eyes. A new generation of leaders is transcending
Speaker 10: the ancient conflicts of tired divisions of the past and
Speaker 10: forging a future where the Middle East is defined by
Speaker 10: commerce not chaos, where it exports technology not terrorism, and
Speaker 10: where people of different nations, religions, and creeds are building
Speaker 10: cities together, not bombing each other.
Speaker 7: In the end, the so.
Speaker 10: Called nation builders wrecked far more nations than they built,
Speaker 10: and the interventionalists were intervening in complex societies that they
Speaker 10: did not even understand themselves. They told you how to
Speaker 10: do it, but they had no idea how to do
Speaker 10: it themselves.
Speaker 4: And we'll be speaking into Quanta armed about Trump's Middle
Speaker 4: East visit very shortly. But while Stnald Trump was striking deals,
Speaker 4: is signed deals worth around six hundred billion US in
Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia alone and endeavoring to expand the Abraham Accords.
Speaker 7: While all that was going on.
Speaker 4: Back in the US, there were revelations that President Joe
Speaker 4: Biden's decline was so severe during his presidency that AIDS
Speaker 4: discussed putting him in a wheelchair for his second term,
Speaker 4: but they believed it was politically untenable to have him
Speaker 4: in a wheelchair during his re election campaign. You think
Speaker 4: they were so worried about him suffering fall, So they
Speaker 4: then began taking many precautions, like shorter walking parts during
Speaker 4: public appearances. They insisted on handrails for steps up to
Speaker 4: the stage at his appearances, had the president where sneakers
Speaker 4: more often changed his visual briefings before events to ensure
Speaker 4: he knew every step he was expected to take and
Speaker 4: guided him more carefully through the movements to call him
Speaker 4: a puppet president. I think is really giving him too
Speaker 4: much credit. The leftis media is desperate to restore its credibility.
Speaker 4: They're now reporting on Biden's mental and physical decline now
Speaker 4: that it doesn't matter. But don't ever forget that they
Speaker 4: were complicit in the biggest cover up in modern timestive
Speaker 4: participants in covering up the fact that the most powerful
Speaker 4: man in the world had suffered significant, significant cognitive decline
Speaker 4: and was unable to perform the role. What we need
Speaker 4: to know now is not being told what we've been
Speaker 4: telling you for the last four years. What we need
Speaker 4: to know now is who was making the cause, Who
Speaker 4: was making the decisions, who was deciding policy, who was
Speaker 4: deciding what documents Biden's electronic signature would end up on.
Speaker 4: Who decided to grant, for example, preemptive pardons to the
Speaker 4: likes of former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Speaker 4: Mark Milly and doctor Anthony Fauci. That's what we need
Speaker 4: to know now.
Speaker 1: Thanks Frita. Well. Apart from Joe Biden, the big story
Speaker 1: also coming out of the States over the last twenty
Speaker 1: four hours or so has been this extraordinary story eighty
Speaker 1: six forty seven now we'll just have a look. This
Speaker 1: is basically James Comey, who was instrumental in the whole
Speaker 1: Russia Russia collusion thing. We talked about it way back
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen and eighteen, all during the first Trump presidency. Here,
Speaker 1: but what does this mean? Eighty six forty seven? It
Speaker 1: was in shells on the sand someone who put eighty
Speaker 1: six forty seven and James Comey retweeted this or reposted posted.
Speaker 4: This is his post, a stick shell formation. This is
Speaker 4: I think very rightly perceived as if not a death threat,
Speaker 4: then a death wish.
Speaker 1: That eighty six means takeout and forty seven means Trump.
Speaker 4: Well, Trump is forty five and forty seven. He's currently
Speaker 4: the forty seventh president of the United States. Everyone knows
Speaker 4: that this wasn't particularly obscure. Everyone as soon as they
Speaker 4: saw it. Who understands eighty six knew what that meant.
Speaker 4: They're trying to say on owner eighty six means get
Speaker 4: rid of, so you know it could be impeachment or
Speaker 4: you know, winning an election. Well, Trump's already got two terms,
Speaker 4: so he's not running for reelection again, despite the fevered
Speaker 4: dreams of the left. So I can understand well why
Speaker 4: Comy's having to answer question.
Speaker 1: Reporters.
Speaker 11: Briefly, former FBI Director James Comy is being questioned by
Speaker 11: the Secret Service after threatening the president's life. Comy posted
Speaker 11: a photo eighty six forty seven. Eighty six means takeout,
Speaker 11: and Trump's the forty seven president.
Speaker 1: And then you've got Donald Trump's response to that, Caroline,
Speaker 1: So just have a listen to Donald Trump responding to
Speaker 1: this story.
Speaker 12: He knew exactly what that meant. A child knows what
Speaker 12: that meant. If you're the FBI director and you don't
Speaker 12: know what that meant, that meant assassination. And it says
Speaker 12: it loud and clear. Now, he wasn't very competent, but
Speaker 12: he was competent enough to know what that meant.
Speaker 1: Do you want to see it happened?
Speaker 12: I don't want to take a position on it because
Speaker 12: that's going to be up to Pam and all of
Speaker 12: the great people. But I will say this, I think
Speaker 12: it's a terrible thing. And when you add his history
Speaker 12: to that, if he had a clean history, he doesn't.
Speaker 12: He's a dirty cup.
Speaker 1: And Caroline, there were two, at least two assassination attempts
Speaker 1: that we know about on Donald Trump during the campaign.
Speaker 1: They're still shrouded in mystery. Exactly, Caroline, what did you matter?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 5: Comy later deleted it and said I had no idea
Speaker 5: that some people thought it meant violently.
Speaker 4: I don't think that was Why did he post it?
Speaker 5: And also I find it hard to believe, I mean,
Speaker 5: call me a skeptic, that he's just wandering along the
Speaker 5: beach it happens to find this shell formation, or someone
Speaker 5: died the shell formation. I'm just going to take a
Speaker 5: photo and post it. And as the former director of
Speaker 5: the FBI, I have no idea how some people may
Speaker 5: interpret it.
Speaker 4: The party meant he knew precisely. There was no reason
Speaker 4: for him to post that if he didn't know what
Speaker 4: it meant, if he didn't know what eighty six forty said,
Speaker 4: But why would you post that he knew. He's not
Speaker 4: an idiot. He is certainly, in my mind, dishonest. He's devious.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things you could say about him,
Speaker 4: but stupid wouldn't be on top of my list. You
Speaker 4: knows precisely what that meant. And you know what Trump associates,
Speaker 4: people within his administration were pursued over nothing. Some went
Speaker 4: to jail over nothing. So I have absolutely no issue
Speaker 4: when people who want to mess around with this sort
Speaker 4: of nonsense post veil threats having to answer some questions
Speaker 4: of the Secret Service and try to explain what they
Speaker 4: were intending to do there. Because it has been one
Speaker 4: way traffic for far too long. In the US, the
Speaker 4: left have politicized and weaponized the justice system to go
Speaker 4: after their political opponents. That was one of the big
Speaker 4: issues in the election campaign. Something a lot of people
Speaker 4: in Australia and understand that was a huge issue. Trust
Speaker 4: in these institutions, the FBI, CIA has plummeted because so
Speaker 4: many people see them as as political weapons. So I think,
Speaker 4: well also.
Speaker 1: That you know, they used to be the good guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go back to the you know,
Speaker 1: Kennedy assassination. For instance, Lee Harvey Oswald. We know all
Speaker 1: about Lee Harvey Oswald. Everyone knows he was this, he
Speaker 1: was a Patsy, was a Russia, he was here, he
Speaker 1: was there, whatever. The whole story. Everybody has two assassination
Speaker 1: attempts on Donald Trump during the election, and we know
Speaker 1: nothing about either of the characters. We've only seen one
Speaker 1: or two photographs of Ireland. Story completely buried and disappeared.
Speaker 1: There is something deeply, deeply rotten and sinister at the
Speaker 1: heart of the American Secret Services is that I don't know,
Speaker 1: the deep state. Call it whatever you will, Caroline, but
Speaker 1: we need those answers.
Speaker 4: Well, yes we do.
Speaker 5: And I also imagine that Left has come out and
Speaker 5: condemned this Rowan because they're all about words.
Speaker 4: Are violence, So clearly they were.
Speaker 1: Tweet if he goes to England.
Speaker 4: The wonderful thing with the Left is well, they have
Speaker 4: absolutely no principles or standards that will not play even
Speaker 4: by their own rules. I do love people from the left,
Speaker 4: particularly some of the most outspoken ones who want to
Speaker 4: cancel anyone for basically saying, you know, men can't be
Speaker 4: women or men can't breastfeed suddenly becoming free speech.
Speaker 1: Of course he's allowed to say, it's just words, words.
Speaker 1: Just very briefly, Reader pointed out to me earlier, there
Speaker 1: have been some hilarious memes with people doing their own messages.
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of weird shell formations apparently I
Speaker 4: don't know, change.
Speaker 1: Or something that's exactly very funny. We're to take a
Speaker 1: short break. After the break, we've got net Zany we've
Speaker 1: got Lefty using so much. Outside is going to go
Speaker 1: away back in a tick. You're watching Outsiders with Retapana
Speaker 1: here with Caroline Marcus filling in for James Morrow and
Speaker 1: doing a sensational job as she always does, and myself ruined. Dean,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching us every Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: We certainly do appreciate your company. Well, net zero is
Speaker 1: net zany is the mad insane getting worse by the
Speaker 1: moment world of net zero policies. One story which seems
Speaker 1: to keep popping up time and time again, Caroline is
Speaker 1: Andrew Forrest. Twiggy Forrest seems to the great guru of
Speaker 1: the renewables industry, seems to keep firing people and shutting
Speaker 1: down renewals projects. Interesting.
Speaker 5: Imagine that. I mean this time it's there's actually two
Speaker 5: plants that have been impacted. He's asked ninety jobs from
Speaker 5: a Queensland from Queensland and wa plants and closing one
Speaker 5: in Queensland.
Speaker 4: But there's also.
Speaker 5: One in Delaware in the US that he's just shut
Speaker 5: as well, Shore Biden's hometown.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, a lot of these renewable projects, they make
Speaker 4: some very rich people even richer, and often not always
Speaker 4: at the expensive taxpayers, because these things have got huge,
Speaker 4: there's so much market manipulation, so much taxpayer funds are
Speaker 4: going in. It's not something that is often commercially viable
Speaker 4: on its own, and obviously we've seen with these closures
Speaker 4: sometimes it's not even commercially viable with some sort of
Speaker 4: level of government support. So I think there needs to
Speaker 4: be far more transparency in who is becoming very wealthy
Speaker 4: or even wealthier than they already are. And I'm talking
Speaker 4: about Andrew Forrest you, I'm talking about the industry as
Speaker 4: a whole with these projects, particularly when it's taxpayer funds
Speaker 4: that are underwriting it. Some of the conditions that they
Speaker 4: enter into. You can't lose if the prices drop, that
Speaker 4: get you get topped up if the prices go up,
Speaker 4: or you're the beneficiar. That's not how market's supposed to work.
Speaker 4: You're supposed to take a position, take a risk. If
Speaker 4: it pays off, you benefit. If it doesn't, you lose.
Speaker 4: And you can't have this sort of socialism quasi socialism
Speaker 4: in the sector hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And that's why I say the Liberals should be opposing
Speaker 1: everything to do with that zero and renewables because it
Speaker 1: is socialism, because we see the subsidies. If you shut
Speaker 1: the subsidies down today on all the renewables industries, that
Speaker 1: would be it. It would all be over. But there
Speaker 1: was talk during the week as well about in one
Speaker 1: of these instances, should the person who's benefited from the
Speaker 1: subsidies and then shuts down the plant be handing back
Speaker 1: the government's money. We the taxpayers have paid you to
Speaker 1: set this thing up, and you've done it, and then
Speaker 1: the six months down the track or whenever it is,
Speaker 1: you go business.
Speaker 5: It's happened to be no strings attached, but seeing they're
Speaker 5: just hand it.
Speaker 1: Out, there's no real scrutiny.
Speaker 5: As free To points out, there's no requisite requirements on
Speaker 5: the person who's getting the subsidy to fulfill obligations on
Speaker 5: their side. I mean, look, Andrew Forrest and his people
Speaker 5: have said they're doing this because they're redeploying the investment
Speaker 5: into research and development.
Speaker 1: But still it's like.
Speaker 4: It's a foreign it's the sector. It's the renewable sector,
Speaker 4: multi billion dollar industry that is, it needs far greater
Speaker 4: scrutiny and transparency when you've got this much taxpayer funds
Speaker 4: going into an industry. You need to know precisely what's happening,
Speaker 4: particularly because the outcomes have been so disastrous for all
Speaker 4: of us. So you look at our energy bills, you
Speaker 4: look at our energy security, you look at all what's
Speaker 4: coming in the next ten years, it's pretty dark.
Speaker 1: Well, it's similar in a similar vein this story out
Speaker 1: of Iceland Climb Works in Iceland, which is one of
Speaker 1: these carbon capture remember the big thing, carbon capture. We're
Speaker 1: going to capture all the carbon out of the atmosphere
Speaker 1: and bury it under the ground. This is happening in Australia.
Speaker 1: There are companies that are set up doing this stuff.
Speaker 1: Climb Works in Iceland has only captured just over twenty
Speaker 1: four hundred carbon units since it began operations, which is
Speaker 1: not even enough to cover its.
Speaker 4: Own notion of it is.
Speaker 1: So it's great comedy, that's about all it is.
Speaker 4: That's as good as Malcolm's, you know, sending water up
Speaker 4: a hill exactly coming down the hill.
Speaker 5: They were supposed to capture them. I mean, two thousand
Speaker 5: doesn't mean anything to me, but they said that they
Speaker 5: would capture twelve thousand carbon units and it's been about
Speaker 5: two thousand.
Speaker 1: They didn't reach their targeting. What does that remind you of?
Speaker 4: Love the greedies, any subset of greedies that want to
Speaker 4: pop up and please actually do something, do some activism
Speaker 4: about the natural environment, about.
Speaker 1: Issues, trees and things, birds, preserving the.
Speaker 4: Natural environ stopping pollution. We've got a number of countries
Speaker 4: around the world that just dub tons of rubbish into waterways.
Speaker 4: Do something about that, because most people care about the
Speaker 4: natural environment. But the entire environmental movement has been hijacked
Speaker 4: by these grifters who actually don't care for the natural
Speaker 4: environment because they're happy for the countryside to be covered
Speaker 4: with solar panels and ugliness that is in no way natural.
Speaker 1: Well, you've just given the Liberal Party another great policy.
Speaker 1: Why don't you outgreen the greens and actually talk about
Speaker 1: the environment and trees and yes and getting the litter
Speaker 1: out of the ocean. Why don't you talk about that
Speaker 1: Liberal Party and get rid of the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Climate change, of course, is to blame for the closing
Speaker 1: down of numerous events in Sydney. There's been this ban
Speaker 1: this clover More who's been the mayor razy Sydney Council forever.
Speaker 1: As far as I can remember they they banned all
Speaker 1: these out the river insite. There were noodle markets that
Speaker 1: were very popular. They're obviously concerts and things in parks.
Speaker 1: That's all of being banned or the band is continuing
Speaker 1: because of climate But.
Speaker 5: You know, guess what, guys, you know what's not affected
Speaker 5: by the band. There's special carve out.
Speaker 4: A Yabooon festival.
Speaker 5: I'm not from I'm saying it right. It's an Aboriginal
Speaker 5: at All island festival. So they emigology, the ideology fits
Speaker 5: their exempt from climate change.
Speaker 4: Takes a day off on those occasions. That's a greater good.
Speaker 4: Global warming stops and also it stops apparently when you
Speaker 4: have those weekly and Israel protests. You know that through
Speaker 4: the parks and set up there's no damage there. But
Speaker 4: this is serious, I mean to me, it seems the
Speaker 4: local council here in Zidnia has disproportionate power. This should
Speaker 4: be a state government issue. If you're if it's costing
Speaker 4: the state, well.
Speaker 1: All the small businesses that lose out, all those people
Speaker 1: who love doing the markets, people set up their market stalls.
Speaker 1: There's a whole massive industry of small business people who
Speaker 1: miss out on all this. Well done Clover more. Well done,
Speaker 1: Lefties and Greenies, you're destroying more of the economy. Great
Speaker 1: work plenty more to come here on Outsiders after the break,
Speaker 1: can't go wait back in eighty. Hello, you're watching Outsiders
Speaker 1: with Rita, Queen of Hearts, Panahee, Caroline through the looking glass,
Speaker 1: Markers and myself Roan Chesha Katadan. Yes, we are living
Speaker 1: in a topsy turvy world and labors mad taxes are
Speaker 1: out to get us all. And now it begins. Once
Speaker 1: upon a time, not so long ago, the Coalition were
Speaker 1: in position to win majority governments until they decided to
Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole of focus groups, net zero
Speaker 1: and being labor light, chasing the fantasy of being moderates.
Speaker 1: Thanks to the unbelievable cowardice incompetence of the Dutton Liberal
Speaker 1: Party election team, we managed over the space of six
Speaker 1: months to snatch defeat from near certain victory. Australia is
Speaker 1: now on the path to penury. We had the perfect
Speaker 1: visual metaphor for the plant of the Australian economy this
Speaker 1: week when a giant chunk of one of Chris Bowen's
Speaker 1: beloved wind turbines got wedged and stuck under the Mount
Speaker 1: Crosby Road Overpass near Brisbane, causing chaos and disruptions to
Speaker 1: traffic and people's lives, and parts of the highway could
Speaker 1: not now be closed for many months to come, even
Speaker 1: a year. Yes, the perfect metaphor for what labor is
Speaker 1: doing to this country, blocking up all our major economic
Speaker 1: pathways with insane ideological obstructions, not to mention the sheer
Speaker 1: insanity of how labour intends to save the planet with
Speaker 1: gigantic bits of non renewable machinery made in not net
Speaker 1: zero China by God knows who, using non renewable minerals,
Speaker 1: non renewable metals brought here on huge diesel ships, crossing
Speaker 1: thousands of kilometers of oceans and then being hauled by
Speaker 1: a gigantic diesel truck on its way to destroy vast swathes,
Speaker 1: a beautiful bush, decimating flora and fauna to make way
Speaker 1: for thousands of tons of steel and concrete. Now the
Speaker 1: whole thing is stuck under a bridge, just like that
Speaker 1: ridiculous Florence tunneling machine was stuck for yolks deep in
Speaker 1: the snowy mountains. As I said, what perfect metaphors for
Speaker 1: Labour's climate cult economic devastation. But this is just the beginning.
Speaker 1: With the news that Labour won't reach its ridiculous net
Speaker 1: zero targets. Rather than recognizing what they are doing is madness,
Speaker 1: Labour intends to double down on their plans, like Moscow's
Speaker 1: Central planners back in the worst days of the Soviet Union,
Speaker 1: creating havoc out of the economy simply to meet whatever
Speaker 1: spurious numbers and targets they pluck out of some PowerPoint
Speaker 1: presentation or modeling document. And of course it is the
Speaker 1: poorer people who will pay them mone most as living
Speaker 1: standards collapse and the cost of living soars upwards, with
Speaker 1: no credible pathway or plan to get our economy back
Speaker 1: into productive action. But net zero is just the tip
Speaker 1: of Labour's non melting iceberg. Jim charmers plans for taxing
Speaker 1: everyday Australians super on fantasy earnings on money they don't
Speaker 1: have and may never have, is as grotesque as it
Speaker 1: is absurd as it is obscene. This is what is
Speaker 1: known as the unrealized capital gains tax that Jim Charmers
Speaker 1: is bringing in to raid your superannuation to pay for
Speaker 1: the nonsense subsidies we are spending on renewables and Australias
Speaker 1: out of control welfare, including such craziness as the skyrocketing
Speaker 1: NDIS costs. Starting on July one, Label will be increasing
Speaker 1: the thirty percent the tax on earnings on super balances
Speaker 1: over three million dollars. Here's the truly scary part. Many
Speaker 1: Australians have self managed super funds, which include property, farms,
Speaker 1: or shares as assets to provide their income into the future.
Speaker 1: A whole point of super taking an idea that was
Speaker 1: first pushed by the cognitively compromised Joe Biden. Under labor,
Speaker 1: the tax office can simply decide what those assets might
Speaker 1: be worth were they to be sold, and then tax
Speaker 1: you on that profit even though the profit doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: And then to meet your tax bill you may well
Speaker 1: have to start selling off that or other assets, and
Speaker 1: thus begins a downward spiral of enforced selling to pay
Speaker 1: phantom profits, crippling your future prosperity. This same policy idea,
Speaker 1: pushed also by Kamala Harris during her failed presidential election bid,
Speaker 1: was described by experts in the USA as an economy killer,
Speaker 1: rightly so. It's basically Lewis Carroll style economics with the
Speaker 1: tax office playing the part of the demented mad hatter
Speaker 1: or should that be mad taxa. Your profit is whatever
Speaker 1: I say. Your profit is as much or as little
Speaker 1: as I want it to be. Even worse. Once we
Speaker 1: accept the premise that unrealized profit is the source of
Speaker 1: revenue for the government, we reverse the entire premise of
Speaker 1: a successful free market society, where people strive to make
Speaker 1: as much money for themselves, knowing the more they make
Speaker 1: the more they get to keep, and then give it
Speaker 1: to the tax office. The amount that is due this
Speaker 1: tax now is reversing that it is reverse capitalism. Rather
Speaker 1: than encouraging economic growth through encouraging individual effort and risk,
Speaker 1: this vile nonsense de incentivizes the individual by taxing money
Speaker 1: it don't actually have and may never have. Completely mad
Speaker 1: and where will it stop. Once you've accepted the principle
Speaker 1: of unrealized capital gains, add taxes, will no doubt try
Speaker 1: to apply it in ever widening circles. Already there are
Speaker 1: reports that panic selling has begun, with people desperate presumably
Speaker 1: to get their money out of super to avoid these
Speaker 1: phantom taxes. According to Frank Chong, the excellent writer there
Speaker 1: at news dot com Treasurer Jim Chalmers looming plan to
Speaker 1: tax unrealized gains on large superannuation balances has already sparked
Speaker 1: a flight for the exits as wealthy retirees scramble to
Speaker 1: sell assets and restructure their investment portfolios. He goes on,
Speaker 1: quote the budget forward estimates reveal Labor expects to tax
Speaker 1: an extra nine point seven billion dollars from superannuation funds
Speaker 1: over the five years from now to twenty eight twenty
Speaker 1: nine end of quote. That's nearly ten billion dollars conjured
Speaker 1: up out of thin air by the tax offers, raiding
Speaker 1: imaginary profits in people's superannuation. What disgrace. But it gets worse.
Speaker 1: The three million dollars is not indexed, which means each
Speaker 1: year more and more people will fall into that category,
Speaker 1: especially younger, successful people who now could face enormous bills
Speaker 1: that they're unaware of into the future. As Wilson Asset
Speaker 1: Management founded Jeff Wilson says, the impact on Australia's four
Speaker 1: point two trillion dollars superannuation sector will be quote enormous.
Speaker 1: He says, Australia is built and thrived on risk capital.
Speaker 1: Why would you take any risk that you might have
Speaker 1: to pay tax on something you can't afford to pay
Speaker 1: tax on. It's incredibly negative for corporate Australia, for capital
Speaker 1: markets and for innovation, he says. Wilson also points out
Speaker 1: that the policy quote put an end to the Democrats
Speaker 1: in America and has been a disaster in Norway after
Speaker 1: it was implemented there, As Wilson says, all of the
Speaker 1: technology and entrepreneurs have now fled normal. Indeed, one of
Speaker 1: those entrepreneurs, Christa Diaspoe, I think that's the correct pronouncing,
Speaker 1: founder of Norwig and tech company Brava, was so incensed
Speaker 1: about Norway's unrealized capital gains tax that he wrote a
Speaker 1: pop song that went viral, a song warning people to
Speaker 1: avoid Norway because of its insane taxes.
Speaker 13: Come to Norway, we will tax you till you're poor.
Speaker 1: And when you have nothing left, will tax you.
Speaker 14: A little more.
Speaker 13: Before you make a grave mistake, you need to be aware.
Speaker 13: We even tax paper valuations, so you will have to
Speaker 13: sell your shares.
Speaker 1: Don't come to Norway. Yes, they tax your paper shares.
Speaker 1: Unrealized profits the ultimate socialist fantasy, taxing money, plucking it
Speaker 1: out of thin air. As Frank Chunk point, it's out.
Speaker 1: The Norwegian tax, similar to labors here, led to disaster
Speaker 1: in Norway. It was expected to bring in an additional
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty six million US dollars in yearly
Speaker 1: tax revenue, but instead, after everyone fled, ther Way ended
Speaker 1: up with a net decrease of four hundred and forty
Speaker 1: eight million. What a sick joke.
Speaker 13: So if you're good a technology or business, please stay out.
Speaker 13: A booming public sector is what this country is about.
Speaker 1: Don't come to Norway. Yes, a booming public sector. The
Speaker 1: joke gets even sicker. Wait for no surprises here, Albanesian charmers,
Speaker 1: because when they entered parliament, wait for this, they themselves
Speaker 1: will be exempt from this tax because they're super comes
Speaker 1: out of consolidated revenue. One rule for the politicians and
Speaker 1: one rule for everybody else, or as our Lewis Carroll
Speaker 1: mad tax that might put it. Just because our tax
Speaker 1: your invisible profits doesn't mean anyone can touch mine. This
Speaker 1: country had such promise.
Speaker 13: Think of where we could have been, but it took
Speaker 13: just one election to our startup scene.
Speaker 1: Yes, much like Norway, Australia too was an amazing and
Speaker 1: incredible country but so much can change with just one election.
Speaker 1: The Liberal Party is entirely to blame for losing this
Speaker 1: recent election, but they are all politicians and although they
Speaker 1: might miss the perks of office, they have pensions for
Speaker 1: life and won't care too much. But for the average
Speaker 1: Australian who has done the right thing, believe the lies
Speaker 1: about superannuation, had their money compulsory, compulsorily put aside for
Speaker 1: their retirement, only for the robber barons of labor to
Speaker 1: now start raiding those piggybanks with fantasy voodoo economics, it
Speaker 1: is unforgivable. What can be done? I honestly don't know.
Speaker 1: Until the coalition gets serious about our economy and our
Speaker 1: future prosperity and abandons net zero and pulls out of Paris,
Speaker 1: any Conservatives will choose to look to one nation. The
Speaker 1: Libertarians and other parties, as we were discussing earlier with
Speaker 1: Alexantik I, might choose to place their votes there. What
Speaker 1: is clear that somehow or other we need better government. Well.
Speaker 1: Next Sunday, the twenty fifth of May, there is a
Speaker 1: function at the Warrawee Club in Warrewee on Sydney's North Shore,
Speaker 1: which is a fundraiser for an organization called Australians for
Speaker 1: Better Government. My friend John Ruddick, the Libertarian member of
Speaker 1: the New South Wales Parliament, is one of the speakers there.
Speaker 1: Darren DERBOTOLLI he's donating the wine for the occasion. There
Speaker 1: you go. You can go to Australians for Better dot
Speaker 1: com if you're interested in attending that event. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I urge people to get involved in the political party
Speaker 1: of their choice. We're in for a rough ride over
Speaker 1: the next three years. But remember nothing is impossible. Labor
Speaker 1: can and must be defeated before they impoverish us all
Speaker 1: all of us, that is, except themselves. We truly have
Speaker 1: gone through the looking glass. Now. I'm delighted to have
Speaker 1: back on the show Independent Women's Forum fellow dotr Quanta Armored,
Speaker 1: who joins us live from New York. Quanta, great to
Speaker 1: see you as always, Fabulous classes as always, we were
Speaker 1: debating beforehand what color the glasses would be, and you
Speaker 1: did not let us down. I'm pleased to say Quanta.
Speaker 1: Talking about letting us down? Has Donald Trump? What's the
Speaker 1: being the reaction from certainly the Middle East? I want
Speaker 1: to pick your brains on the Israeli action as well
Speaker 1: as the Saudi reaction. You're very familiar with both. You've
Speaker 1: worked in Saudi Arabia, You've worked in Israel. So let's
Speaker 1: kick off with your thoughts on the Donald Trump for
Speaker 1: d a tour through the Middle East, through Qatar, through Saudi.
Speaker 1: What did you make of it?
Speaker 6: Tell us your thoughts.
Speaker 7: Just an extraordinary tourd of course, some are describing it
Speaker 7: as the most extraordinary diplomacy, the White House exercise in
Speaker 7: over a generation. You've just been talking about the extractive
Speaker 7: changes of the economy that are being composed in Australia
Speaker 7: or have happened in Norway. Nothing could be further from
Speaker 7: the truth in terms of the Gulf nations. And I
Speaker 7: think that we're at a moment that is so pivotal.
Speaker 7: It's rather like the beginning of the oil industry and
Speaker 7: the collaboration between the United States and Saudi Arabia that
Speaker 7: bought the world the fossil fuels and raised both nations
Speaker 7: in both regions to extraordinary pinnacles. We're seeing that now
Speaker 7: with artificial intelligence. We're seeing that now with the developments
Speaker 7: of chips. Obviously, there's been a lot of investment in
Speaker 7: defense I think Saudi Arabia has committed one hundred and
Speaker 7: eighty billion, almost twice its defense budget to spend in defense,
Speaker 7: and in total two trillion dollars of deals agreed in
Speaker 7: these four days, with the potential of it expanding to
Speaker 7: four trillion. So I think it has been extraordinary.
Speaker 15: But the.
Speaker 7: Two of things that really stuck out to me was
Speaker 7: the announcement to drop sanctions on Syria. I was, in
Speaker 7: fact very happy to see that the Syrian people have suffered.
Speaker 7: That was the first meeting between an American president and
Speaker 7: Assyrian leader in twenty five years, and the fact that
Speaker 7: that was made in Saudi Arabia and saluting Crown Prince
Speaker 7: Mohammed bin Salman. It places Saudi Arabia on the global
Speaker 7: map for being one of the most extraordinary negotiators, diplomats
Speaker 7: and conduits of communication. And that's going to save Syria
Speaker 7: from the ambitions of Iran of China. It's going to
Speaker 7: moderate that nation and open that nation to the international markets.
Speaker 1: RITA.
Speaker 4: The scenes we've seen in recent days unprecedented, so much
Speaker 4: protocol seemed to be broken. To really welcome Donald Trump
Speaker 4: to the region. Will he be able to maintain the moment,
Speaker 4: will he be able to follow through with what he
Speaker 4: is really an enormous realignment of how the US has
Speaker 4: dealt with that region.
Speaker 7: It's a great question, Reet, and I think the fact
Speaker 7: is that there are multiple partners that are going to
Speaker 7: move to make this happen. It's the not only the
Speaker 7: governments of these Arab Gulf nations. Remember Saudi Arabia is
Speaker 7: not only the richest nation in the Middle East, it's
Speaker 7: the richest nation in Asia. But it's their public that
Speaker 7: also welcome this investment, the public that welcomes Donald Trump.
Speaker 7: There are many places President Trump might not be warmly welcomed.
Speaker 7: You could think of Greenland perhaps, or Panama maybe, but
Speaker 7: in this part of the world, his values and his outlook. Really,
Speaker 7: I think this four days has closed a gap that
Speaker 7: developed on nine to eleven. That was the intention the
Speaker 7: Crown Prince vlad had been. Soman reminded us the intention
Speaker 7: of bin Ladin was to separate and break the US
Speaker 7: Saudi relationship, and that relationship has been under tension and
Speaker 7: difficulty on and off for those decades. I think that
Speaker 7: has completely closed, and that's to the benefit of humanity.
Speaker 7: And much was made of the fact that Israel was
Speaker 7: not visited during this trip. But I think all of
Speaker 7: this alignment and deepening of alliances is ultimately going to
Speaker 7: benefit the state of Israel, and President Trump most likely
Speaker 7: had that very much in mind during his visits.
Speaker 5: Count you mentioned that you know he President Trump didn't
Speaker 5: visit Israel. There's been a lot of talk of an
Speaker 5: apparent rift between him and Benjamin Netaniahu, the Prime Minister
Speaker 5: of Israel, and there has been criticism of his acceptance
Speaker 5: of this gift of a dumbo jet from the Qataris.
Speaker 5: He's seen to shake hands where dictators people. Obviously, the
Speaker 5: new interim Syrian president links to al Qaeda. Do you
Speaker 5: see though, that this new type of diplomacy paying off
Speaker 5: in terms of peace for the region, or do you
Speaker 5: have concerns that maybe he's putting his trust in the
Speaker 5: wrong people.
Speaker 7: So yes, I mean al Shara, the leader of Syria,
Speaker 7: he was aligned with and a member of al Qaeda
Speaker 7: and ISIS. He has taken an extraordinary opportunity in history
Speaker 7: and has now a huge responsibility than Syrian people, eighty
Speaker 7: percent of whom are below the poverty line. They have
Speaker 7: no access to international banking until these sanctions are fully
Speaker 7: lifted which have been announced. So he has a tremendous responsibility.
Speaker 7: And I think he is beholden to Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
Speaker 7: And so President Trump has these tremendous guarranteurs in that
Speaker 7: President Trump has shown that he's been able to re
Speaker 7: align Turkey and Saudi Arabia that had tremendous tensions at
Speaker 7: each other. So I do have confidence that President Trump
Speaker 7: will do this. What's very interesting is that in a survey,
Speaker 7: in the Adleman Survey of Government Trust, I was reading
Speaker 7: Saudi Arabia ranks as the highest level of trust of
Speaker 7: its public in its government at eighty five percent out
Speaker 7: of about thirty eight nations, including my nation and I
Speaker 7: think yours. And that's because President Trump indicated the era
Speaker 7: of neo con a politics or nation building through destruction
Speaker 7: that is in America's past, and the Middle East also
Speaker 7: has a different way of achieving things and they are succeeding.
Speaker 7: I think that this could not only be successful for
Speaker 7: the US and the Middle East, it is going to
Speaker 7: realign the entire global South wealth and that region, which
Speaker 7: does include Israel. I think we're going to see Syria
Speaker 7: joining the Abraham Accords. I think we're going to see Lebanon,
Speaker 7: there's talk of Azerbaijan. Ultimately Saudi Arabia will There needs
Speaker 7: to be some form of Palestinian statehood before that happens. Ultimately,
Speaker 7: that is going to become an economic engine for the
Speaker 7: global self, which is where the population of the world
Speaker 7: is growing in the next decade. So we are going
Speaker 7: to come back and look at this as a historic visit.
Speaker 1: But Quanta, you mentioned some form of Palestinian state. That's
Speaker 1: fairly ambiguous, and it goes to the heart of the
Speaker 1: matter as far as Israel is concerned and security and
Speaker 1: getting rid of Hamas, and of course the threat of
Speaker 1: Iran having a nuclear bomb, so all of that is
Speaker 1: tied in very much to that. Do you think that
Speaker 1: part of the riff that Caroline mentioned with Netan Yahoo
Speaker 1: is because Trump is now leaning on Israel to form
Speaker 1: some kind of Palestinian state within its borders.
Speaker 7: I don't know, and I have no access to those
Speaker 7: conversations of any kind. I don't describe any kind of distance.
Speaker 7: I think President Trump has made it very clear his
Speaker 7: primary allegiances to the American people. He regards Israel as
Speaker 7: America's closest ally all of his efforts are designed to
Speaker 7: support Israel, as he's shown very emphatically tonight, I'm hearing
Speaker 7: that there's now a talk of releasing nine hostages for
Speaker 7: masses offered in exchange for a pause in fighting, and
Speaker 7: that's being discussed. Remember there are twenty three hostages, it's
Speaker 7: still trapped alive and thirty five bodies. So we've done
Speaker 7: nineteen months of this war. Been many times talking to
Speaker 7: you about it. I think the reality is we are
Speaker 7: coming to a point where no one has tolerance for
Speaker 7: more conflict. Not the Israelis, not the families of the hostages.
Speaker 7: The Israeli military is incredible, it will do whatever it's
Speaker 7: people ask for, but they have plaid an extremely high price.
Speaker 7: And the Palestinians that are not Hamas operatives. The Hamas
Speaker 7: itself is still there, but has lost its primary sponsor, Iran.
Speaker 7: Its other sponsor in Qatar, will be now under tremendous
Speaker 7: pressure from GCC nations, from the UA and Saudi Arabia
Speaker 7: and the United States to not be cultivating this barbaric monster.
Speaker 7: I don't know where the Palestinian state will be. I
Speaker 7: don't know what that territory is going to be, but
Speaker 7: I do know there has to be a two nation
Speaker 7: for two people's solution, and that future state has to
Speaker 7: recognize Israel unambiguously. And I also believe in the Arab
Speaker 7: world there is an appetite for a demilitarized Palestinian sovereign state.
Speaker 7: In the future. It will not be permitted to have
Speaker 7: this kind of armaments, or perhaps even any armaments, and
Speaker 7: that's something needs to be solved. But the status quo
Speaker 7: another nineteen months of this war, I don't foresee that,
Speaker 7: and I think the United States will lose its appetite
Speaker 7: for that.
Speaker 1: Read it quickly.
Speaker 4: Yes, I agree with that. Before you go at contact,
Speaker 4: I just want to play a little bit of a vision.
Speaker 4: This had a lot of people fascinated this ceremony that
Speaker 4: Trump was welcomed with. Tell us what the meaning of
Speaker 4: that is? That hair waving ceremony? Donald Trump loved it?
Speaker 1: By you?
Speaker 4: What what does it mean?
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 7: I have never seen that anywhere in the Middle East.
Speaker 7: I wasn't aware of it, and I'm sorry to say
Speaker 7: I didn't even read about it, but I imagine it
Speaker 7: is the way they're facing somebody they're thrilled with. It's
Speaker 7: also celebrating the beauty of the women, the confident of
Speaker 7: the women, and it underlines to me absolutely how pluralist
Speaker 7: the United Arab Emirates is. Remember that, Quanta.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's it's for one of the highest honors you
Speaker 1: can pay. It's a gesture of grace, pride and spiritual blessing,
Speaker 1: which symbolizes honor and purity of intent. So it's a
Speaker 1: it's a big thing, and it's normally only reserved for
Speaker 1: kings and monarchs. Quanta and Director chat To. He was
Speaker 1: always we've got to go, but thanks so much for
Speaker 1: talking just from New York and great right.
Speaker 5: And just don't expect Rid and I to do that
Speaker 5: because it will completely.
Speaker 1: The break Caroline's editorial.
Speaker 6: In a.
Speaker 5: Welcome back here watching outside as I'm Caroline Marcus here
Speaker 5: with Rowan Dean and the lovely Rita Panahe one of
Speaker 5: the few silver linings this election, and let's face it,
Speaker 5: there were slim piggings, was the voting out of Green's
Speaker 5: leader Adam Bant. Bant presided over the most hate filled
Speaker 5: iteration of the Greens, a party ostensibly about the environment,
Speaker 5: but which in recent times has run cover for the
Speaker 5: worst type of extremists free, Free Palestine.
Speaker 16: They wrop up to every community event and meeting to
Speaker 16: offer that connection because they.
Speaker 4: Their tentacles reach in to the areas that tri influence power.
Speaker 6: Should it be dismantled.
Speaker 17: Hamas is an organization that exists in the region that
Speaker 17: we are talking about here, right, who is going to
Speaker 17: who will dismantle it?
Speaker 5: After Conservatives suffered a brutal defeat, not only in the
Speaker 5: landslide Labor victory, but the loss of Liberal leader Peter
Speaker 5: Dutton after twenty four years in politics, you can hardly
Speaker 5: blame Conservatives for celebrating Bant losing his seat of Melbourne
Speaker 5: the Cherry on top of the almost total decimation of
Speaker 5: the Radical Greens in the Lower House. Nor can you
Speaker 5: blame Conservatives or any centrist really for relishing in the
Speaker 5: meltdown of equally devisive influences like Abby Chatfield.
Speaker 14: Having anxiety by Adam Band losing his seat. I was
Speaker 14: so busy celebrating Dutton and losing that I didn't even
Speaker 14: think it was possible for Adam Band lose his seat.
Speaker 1: I think it was possible, and I have.
Speaker 5: To agree comes denial. Well, but wait anymore, after Greef
Speaker 5: comes denial and lashing out.
Speaker 14: I wish Adam Vant would have kept his seat. Thanks
Speaker 14: for asking, but obviously the greater.
Speaker 7: Good was to keep up and out.
Speaker 1: That was achieved. That was the main goal, So I'm
Speaker 1: happy with that.
Speaker 14: I would love though, in returns to willness check on you,
Speaker 14: But I think everyone that's commenting things like that, I
Speaker 14: know for a fact you are deeply unlikable, unintelligent, ugly
Speaker 14: strange Iceland.
Speaker 5: People, deeply unlikable, unintelligent, strange. Have you looked in the
Speaker 5: mirror of Abby? Actually don't answer that. We can see
Speaker 5: it's pretty much all you do. But if you thought
Speaker 5: the absolute drubbing of the Greens in the House of
Speaker 5: Reps would lead to some self reflection and positive change
Speaker 5: in the party, think again. In Bant's concession speech, which
Speaker 5: really was just a twenty four minute self aggrandizing lecture,
Speaker 5: Adam Band blamed everyone but himself for his loss and
Speaker 5: doubled down on the divisiveness.
Speaker 18: We have been really proud, and I've been really proud
Speaker 18: to continue to push for a just and lasting piece
Speaker 18: for the people of Palestine and Israel, which is going
Speaker 18: to be based on an end to the invasion and
Speaker 18: an end to the occupation, not.
Speaker 5: One iota of self awareness about how voters had rejected
Speaker 5: their radical politics, and if there was any hope that
Speaker 5: there's fringe party would reform as a result of its
Speaker 5: complete electoral bollocking, that has now been extinguished. Enter Laressa Waters,
Speaker 5: the Queensland senator and former environment lawyer, made international headlines
Speaker 5: when she became the first person to breastfeed in Parliament
Speaker 5: in twenty seventeen. But don't be fooled by her softer,
Speaker 5: more maternal image. Despite attempts by some corners of the
Speaker 5: media to paint Waters as your typical, single working mum,
Speaker 5: her politics is of the same destructive hue as Bans,
Speaker 5: and the clue is in her very first speech as
Speaker 5: the new leader.
Speaker 15: Of course, we stand firm always on social justice and
Speaker 15: human rights, whether that's First Nations justice, whether that's a
Speaker 15: free Palestine, whether that's peace and human rights. Globally, we
Speaker 15: will always be there calling outrocities, calling out a genocide,
Speaker 15: and standing strongly on social justice and human rights.
Speaker 5: Not only does that kind of rhetoric help incite hatred
Speaker 5: by calling the war against a terror group hamas a genocide,
Speaker 5: she sews further discord by suggesting there are wonderful Jews
Speaker 5: and well the rest.
Speaker 15: I know a lot of wonderful Jewish voters who are
Speaker 15: backing the Greens because they don't want a genocide either.
Speaker 5: Let's not forget too. Marine Ferruki has kept her role
Speaker 5: as Deputy leader of the Greens despite repeatedly refusing to
Speaker 5: condemn hermas posing next to a protester holding a sign
Speaker 5: calling for Jews to be put in the bin, and
Speaker 5: turning the Senate into something resembling an undergraduate pro Palestinian encampment.
Speaker 5: This is the same senator who successfully sued Paulling Hansen
Speaker 5: for racial discrimination after the One Nation leader told her
Speaker 5: to piss off back to Pakistan. Yet Faruki seems to
Speaker 5: have no compunction telling Jews to piss off out of
Speaker 5: their homeland.
Speaker 17: Today we bring the people's protest into Parliament, Free Free Palestine.
Speaker 5: The Greens have become so unrecognizable from their tree hugging
Speaker 5: roots part of the pun even party elders have issued
Speaker 5: warnings over their terror sympathizing. The co founder of the
Speaker 5: National Greens Party alongside Bob Brown, Drew Hutton, said the
Speaker 5: Greens have experimented with what I would call a hyper
Speaker 5: militant approach.
Speaker 4: During the last three years.
Speaker 5: They also overplayed their hand on Gaza and needed to
Speaker 5: make it a bit clearer. They were totally opposed to
Speaker 5: the politics of Hermas. Just a little bit clearer, Rowan
Speaker 5: and Rita just this tiny clearer when they weren't condemned
Speaker 5: them at all. Look someway common sense from a Greenie,
Speaker 5: but of sour if the party can't stand for that.
Speaker 5: Hutton was suspended in recent years for standing up for
Speaker 5: free speech in women's rights in the face of an
Speaker 5: equally militant trans lobby. In the past time of government,
Speaker 5: we saw the offices of government MP's defaced with the
Speaker 5: most vile graffiti, protests that stopped even the PM and
Speaker 5: his staff from going to their own electorate office, and
Speaker 5: the defacing of war memorials or with either the implied
Speaker 5: or stated endorsement of the Greens. We saw the bombings
Speaker 5: of daycare centers and synagogues, the very manifestation of the
Speaker 5: hatred being whipped up by the Protest Party.
Speaker 4: The Greens may have been chased.
Speaker 5: Out of below a House, but they still hold the
Speaker 5: balance of power in the upper House, and now an
Speaker 5: emboldened labor must do everything it can not to allow
Speaker 5: them to abuse that power.
Speaker 1: Great stuff, Thanks can. I wanted to before we get on.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about George Clooney in a second,
Speaker 1: but just before we do that, what did you think
Speaker 1: about Quanta's comments, because I found it slightly disturbing that
Speaker 1: we're starting now to go, oh, we've got to have
Speaker 1: the two state solution. We've got to have this, We've
Speaker 1: got to have that before we get to peace in
Speaker 1: the Middle East. We seem to be crab walking back
Speaker 1: to where we were. But you tell me your thoughts.
Speaker 5: Well, it's just it's a lovely idea on the face
Speaker 5: of it that a lot of people in Israel did support.
Speaker 7: But then how does.
Speaker 1: It work in practice?
Speaker 5: It can't be a master it can't be palaestinan authority
Speaker 5: that people don't support, and the majority of Palestinians still
Speaker 5: support her mass in Gaza, so how will that work?
Speaker 4: Well, she did put the condition on it that any
Speaker 4: Palestinian state would have to accept Israel and Israel's right
Speaker 4: to exist, so it's not.
Speaker 1: M demilitarized, which means under some kind of Israeli or
Speaker 1: But I think someone else's.
Speaker 4: What she said about we can't have another eighteen nineteen
Speaker 4: months of what we've had. I think that's also accurate,
Speaker 4: and maybe people don't want to hear that, but certainly
Speaker 4: the US and even conservatives in the US are starting
Speaker 4: to say this can't go on.
Speaker 1: But the reality is it's only gone on as long
Speaker 1: as it's powers because the US keeps telling Israel to
Speaker 1: back off and goes slower. I mean, even Trump's been
Speaker 1: guilty of that, but that was what Biden was doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it won't go eighteen months.
Speaker 5: That's not that her mass has been almost entirely disable.
Speaker 5: Some officials that the senior officials that Israel and our
Speaker 5: targeting and strikes and ground invasions are extending the ground invasion.
Speaker 5: But it can't. But they need to get their hostages back.
Speaker 5: I mean, that is the goald main goal. And until
Speaker 5: her Mass does that, it will continue. But the vaults
Speaker 5: has to be squarely. The blame is squarely on her masks.
Speaker 5: They won't give up, so it continues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it continues. That's that's what we don't want it
Speaker 1: to do. We wanted to finish, absolutely, but it finishes
Speaker 1: when her mass are defeated. That's the simple thing. When
Speaker 1: the hostages back and her mass is defeated and gone
Speaker 1: from the entire scene. Interesting times.
Speaker 4: But let's be honest. Once a mass in its current
Speaker 4: form is defeated, and we've discussed before that they continue
Speaker 4: to the recent polling that we've seen continue to enjoy
Speaker 4: widespread support in that area from the Palestinian people, We're
Speaker 4: going to have another mass or whatever they will call themselves.
Speaker 4: So that is also the reality of how you're going
Speaker 4: to have any sort of lasting piece, any sort of
Speaker 4: security for Israelis, because yeah, once her Mass is defeated,
Speaker 4: it's not like you're suddenly going to have these peace
Speaker 4: loving tolerants.
Speaker 5: But perhaps it's possible, I'm saying about Syria and the
Speaker 5: new leader who used to have ties to well did
Speaker 5: have ties to okay an Isis. If that can come
Speaker 5: true and if they can turn that around for the
Speaker 5: people of Syria, Syria can even normalize relationships with Israel,
Speaker 5: than maybe it's not well question.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's a lot to be There's
Speaker 4: a lot we've got to wait and see. With Syria.
Speaker 4: I mean, there there there atrocities happening in Syria that
Speaker 4: minorities have been targeted. So again, it's not some Kumbaya
Speaker 4: moment where they got rid of a dictator and this
Speaker 4: new guy is, you know, reformed and wonderful. I know
Speaker 4: he met with mccron, he's met with Trump. He's obviously
Speaker 4: doing everything he can to get sanctions lifted against the country.
Speaker 4: But I will reserve judgment about what sort of.
Speaker 1: Something will be will play into this. And I discussed
Speaker 1: this on my Friday show with Natalie Winters. Was the
Speaker 1: role of China and all of this, and the Trump's
Speaker 1: big goal is to kind of isolate China, and this
Speaker 1: means and part of the whole Saudi Syria deal is
Speaker 1: the Syria deal isolates Russia. A lot of this isolates
Speaker 1: China to some extent.
Speaker 6: So it was.
Speaker 1: Interesting as well to see Rita. The US and China
Speaker 1: reaching their so called trade deal, or the beginnings of
Speaker 1: a trade deal.
Speaker 4: Well, they've got a three month pause, so in this
Speaker 4: three months, they both had tariffs of over one hundred
Speaker 4: percent on each other's goods. The US will reduce its
Speaker 4: tariff on Chinese products to just thirty percent, China's reducing
Speaker 4: their tariffs on US products to just ten percent. So
Speaker 4: in that three months they may come to a more
Speaker 4: lasting agreement, But a lot of people are again pushing
Speaker 4: for Trump to take the more difficult road and really
Speaker 4: have a massive economic realignment where you continue to try
Speaker 4: to weaken China and bring back those manufacturing jobs to
Speaker 4: the US, so you're not just having a more advantageous
Speaker 4: trade deal, but you're actually doing something about reversing some
Speaker 4: of the damage that's been done in recent decades where
Speaker 4: China has been bolstered and American manufacturing has been decimated.
Speaker 1: Exactly. George Clooney very upset, George, very upset because Biden
Speaker 1: didn't recognize him. I mean, George, here's a clue. Biden
Speaker 1: didn't recognize anyone. So you're not special, recognize, don't her
Speaker 1: about it, don't take it Personallyta, he's.
Speaker 4: So trying to rewrite history, Clooney. Really, he's done multiple interviews.
Speaker 4: It was on sixty minutes US sixty minutes talking about
Speaker 4: you know, he's not a hero. He just had to
Speaker 4: do the right thing and tell people Biden wasn't up
Speaker 4: to it. Mate. We've got the timeline, we've got the receipts.
Speaker 4: You held a massive fundraiser for this clown. Remember when
Speaker 4: Biden had to be helped off stage by Barbaraco. But
Speaker 4: that was at George Clooney's.
Speaker 6: We did every week.
Speaker 4: Said nothing after that. Nothing. It was only a few
Speaker 4: weeks after that when that disastrous debate performance happened against
Speaker 4: Trump and Biden refused to stand down. A couple of
Speaker 4: weeks after that, George pinned that infamous New York Times
Speaker 4: peace saying he has to step down, and a lot
Speaker 4: of people suspected Bracco Barba was behind that piece. But anyway,
Speaker 4: he is now trying to paint himself on some sort
Speaker 4: of a hero that tried to save America from this
Speaker 4: cognitive decline of Biden's.
Speaker 1: Please, Caroline, all we need to say to all those
Speaker 1: confused Americans out there, had you been watching outside since
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen, you will, no doubt a lot.
Speaker 4: Of them too.
Speaker 1: Watched Sky here exactly more reason too. There was probably
Speaker 1: more coverage of Biden on Sky News Australia than there
Speaker 1: was on virtually all at the left wing media or
Speaker 1: any media. That's the same thing, isn't it. I've doubt
Speaker 1: the media in America hilarious stuff. We're going to take
Speaker 1: a short break when we come back. We've got Canbra
Speaker 1: clown Show. Can Tech Roll Up, Roll Up, Step right
Speaker 1: this way, ladies and gentlemen, It's the wackiest, craziest, silliest
Speaker 1: show in town. It is, of course, the Canbra Clown Show,
Speaker 1: back by popular demand for another three years season of madness,
Speaker 1: mayhem and mishaps from all your favorite camera clowns. Yes,
Speaker 1: here were two of my favorite clowns pitching their big
Speaker 1: top back on the shores of Lake Burley Griffin earlier
Speaker 1: in the week. One of them is Alboso and one
Speaker 1: of them is Gigi. See if you can spot which
Speaker 1: is which like a sea, you can sign your animation
Speaker 1: office a great stuff. Meanwhile, lots of Shenanigan's over in
Speaker 1: the big Green Big Top as the clowns squabbled amongst
Speaker 1: themselves to see who would be top two two in
Speaker 1: the tent? Would it be Sea Patrol Sarah, the fan
Speaker 1: of fictitious TV dramas, last scene magically pulling a dead
Speaker 1: salmon out of her handbag, throwing up in.
Speaker 15: Stinking in attention, then headection salmon.
Speaker 1: Oh, would it be mad as a cut snake Morine.
Speaker 17: I've just returned from Pakistan after seeing Miami, Australia's criminal
Speaker 17: inaction on climate is deeply felt there, felt in the
Speaker 17: extreme heat, felt in the melting glacials washing away entire villages,
Speaker 17: and felt in the everyday life of children in Pakistan
Speaker 17: who are suffocating in an ever deadly mix of intense
Speaker 17: heat and trapped pollution. So we must remember also to
Speaker 17: lift our gaze, we must start a process of making
Speaker 17: climate reparations to the global South countries who are most
Speaker 17: harmed by Australia's contribution to the climate crisis.
Speaker 1: Okay, note this week the Grains turned to Waters. Literally,
Speaker 1: top clown in the Grains tent went to none other
Speaker 1: than lactating Larissa Waters, the she wolf we made headlines
Speaker 1: around the world eight years ago for breastfeeding her tot
Speaker 1: in Parliament.
Speaker 7: Turning in my name for today relating to black lung
Speaker 7: disease be taken.
Speaker 1: As a formal motion. Great stuff to be applauded. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: another one of our very favorite clowns reappeared this week
Speaker 1: with a whole news circus act and determined to take
Speaker 1: an extravagant show on the road all the way to Gaza.
Speaker 19: The cross section Gaza of colonialism. It's a cross section
Speaker 19: of capitalism. It's the cross section of apartheid, an indigenous struggle, it's.
Speaker 1: A cross section of all of that. This is a revolution.
Speaker 1: We're going to revolutionize Palestine and this country through our
Speaker 1: solidarity and show the rest of the world what can happen.
Speaker 20: Do you think when the war stops and there's a
Speaker 20: free gaza, that we can go to ghaza, We can
Speaker 20: reefing the indigenous community there if you do it well
Speaker 20: in the industry, silent and just bless that land and
Speaker 20: just say listen, the indigenous communities all around wire with you.
Speaker 19: We're right here.
Speaker 20: That Welcome to Country is not just you know, ceremony,
Speaker 20: It's it's we are liberated. We're here as an indigenous
Speaker 20: community to one indigenous community, your free land, our freeland.
Speaker 6: This is our work.
Speaker 20: I think that would be amazing.
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, it would be amazing. And I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure what the Gazans would make of some mob and
Speaker 1: loopy lydia burning gum leaves and glowing smoke in their faces.
Speaker 1: Not much, I suspect, But I hope fans of the
Speaker 1: Canberraclown show paid heed to the very clear message there.
Speaker 1: The Welcome to Country song is regarded by them as
Speaker 1: a revolutionary call to liberation and seizure of land through
Speaker 1: revolution by these clowns, take note if you happen to
Speaker 1: have a mortgage. Meanwhile, in Sydney, the Min's government joined
Speaker 1: forces with the unspeakable sorry Typo the Speakman Liberals to
Speaker 1: plan a whole new raft of abortion laws, much to
Speaker 1: the disquiet of many nurses and midwives, raising.
Speaker 21: That I went into midway three hushion for helping women
Speaker 21: in that very vulnerable time of bringing babies into the world.
Speaker 21: That I wanted to help women, and I never even
Speaker 21: considered that abortion would be a part of it.
Speaker 1: But in the and anti abortion activists led by the
Speaker 1: extraordinary doctor Joanna Howe, managed to get the bills significantly
Speaker 1: watered down.
Speaker 16: I've clearly rattled some cages when you have the Premier
Speaker 16: and the opposition leader agreeing on something.
Speaker 2: Protests in front of State Parliament, pulling up government leaders to.
Speaker 16: Build up customs of charity hospitals to perform abortions.
Speaker 7: They must comply.
Speaker 2: State MP's unimpressed.
Speaker 7: The tactics are bizarre and nasty.
Speaker 4: Say it's not bullying, it's just called democracy.
Speaker 2: The Liberal leader didn't agree, saying he was threatened with
Speaker 2: a campaign.
Speaker 6: I won't cave in to brazen bullying like this.
Speaker 2: Today the Premier claimed NP's records on the abortion you
Speaker 2: have been misrepresented.
Speaker 1: There's enormous amount of misinformation allies that have been spread
Speaker 1: by her.
Speaker 16: I will be seeking a correction of the record and
Speaker 16: an apology from Premier Chris Mins.
Speaker 2: Passing the Lower House sixty five votes to twenty.
Speaker 1: By the clever emotion CAD, we have.
Speaker 16: Managed to gut this bill and that is an incredible
Speaker 16: victory for the people.
Speaker 1: Well done to Joanna. How are there? And speaking of
Speaker 1: unspeakable or other I should say unpronounceable liberal leaders. The
Speaker 1: Canbra clown Show now has a new star. But how
Speaker 1: do you pronounce her name? We keep being told it's
Speaker 1: Susan Lee, but the computer Alas says differently.
Speaker 22: Paul's purchase is how Health Minister sussen Lay is explaining
Speaker 22: her decision to buy an apartment during a taxpayer funded
Speaker 22: trip to the Gold Coast in twenty fifteen. Miss Lays
Speaker 22: under pressure from the opposition over the property she purchased.
Speaker 22: In May twenty fifteen, while traveling to Queensland on ministerial business.
Speaker 1: Sussen Lay, I'll go with that. Then the good news
Speaker 1: is that there's nothing sus about Sussan. That could be
Speaker 1: the libs new slogan, there's nothing sus about Sussan because
Speaker 1: she's already shown she's got a sense of humor and
Speaker 1: she's perfectly happy to dress up in character.
Speaker 4: First, let me introduce my alter ego, Tina Lina Turner.
Speaker 1: Trade stuff. But what about Alboso? Here he is doing
Speaker 1: his best Joe Biden impression walking down the airplane steps
Speaker 1: without falling over, Almost but not quite as good as
Speaker 1: the original hyper bowl. Let's hyperbole as pronounced by Julia
Speaker 1: Gillard extreme exaggeration. Then we've got some great ones here, Caroline.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, Clementine Ford, the feminist that protects all our
Speaker 5: rights as women in this country. While she has gone
Speaker 5: on to Piers Morgan's show and let's just say it
Speaker 5: didn't go very well for her. Let's play the clip.
Speaker 6: What is a woman?
Speaker 7: Cheers? I'm not going down the path of debating transment
Speaker 7: with you, Okay, I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: I know that because this is your.
Speaker 7: Tactic, this is what you do.
Speaker 6: What is a woman?
Speaker 7: I'll tell you, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what a woman is.
Speaker 7: A woman is someone who has at least at one
Speaker 7: point in her life felt scared of a man.
Speaker 6: Sorry, So.
Speaker 7: Any man who's ever felt afraid of another man as
Speaker 7: a woman, It's a.
Speaker 4: Very good question, because who in their lifetime has been
Speaker 4: so blessed not to ever feel Scout would say, every
Speaker 4: bloke has felt scared of another man? So are they
Speaker 4: all women now?
Speaker 1: As every child?
Speaker 4: I mean, it is such a nonsensical position, as is
Speaker 4: the notion that what is a woman is some sort
Speaker 4: of a gotcha question. It is some sort of a
Speaker 4: trick question. It is the most simple and it just
Speaker 4: exposes just how lunatic and dishonest some people have allowed
Speaker 4: themselves to become that they treat this most simple question
Speaker 4: as if it's a gotcha, as if it's an impossible
Speaker 4: question they couldn't.
Speaker 1: Possibly, Caroline, the feminist movement is kind of still or
Speaker 1: the extreme feminist is still clinging on to the trans thing.
Speaker 1: Most of the world has moved on now and going okay,
Speaker 1: that was a bit, let's move on from that one.
Speaker 1: But they're still clinging part of.
Speaker 5: The feminist movement I can't remember if it's the first wave,
Speaker 5: third wave, whatever, the.
Speaker 4: Major it is gender critical.
Speaker 5: There is a true for gender critical feminists, which is
Speaker 5: ter trans exclusionary radical feminists. So a lot of the
Speaker 5: original feminists are actually deeply against this whole transit no.
Speaker 4: As a movement, They're overwhelmingly for the trans movement. I
Speaker 4: think it's I think that's kind of what kind of feminists.
Speaker 4: There's certainly a group who are very active and very
Speaker 4: loud and who've been very much persecuted in recent years
Speaker 4: for being outspoken about women's rights, would like her, But
Speaker 4: they are a minority, and the reason they've been so
Speaker 4: persecuted is because all the polling on this is very clear.
Speaker 4: The people, sadly who are most supportive of the transactivist
Speaker 4: movement and some of the excesses of it is overwhelmingly women.
Speaker 4: Most men rejected whilst women have, which is because it
Speaker 4: is obviously something that infringes on women's rights, so you
Speaker 4: would think women would be I'm subjecting.
Speaker 1: Let's have a look at Robert de Niro at Can
Speaker 1: one of the great TDS exponents trunk arrangement syndrome in
Speaker 1: action at the Can Film Fossil What Film Festival? What's
Speaker 1: all the love? He is sitting there? Just do we applad?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, let's applaud him.
Speaker 23: It looks for truth. Art embraces diversity, and that's why
Speaker 23: art is a threat. That's why we are a threat
Speaker 23: to autocrats and fascists.
Speaker 4: Here's such as I can't think of someone in the
Speaker 4: celebrity world other than those who are being charged with crimes,
Speaker 4: who has been so diminished with his activism because he
Speaker 4: was just like the great actor and now he's become
Speaker 4: a bit of a clown show. Everyone's mocking him. He's
Speaker 4: gone on Bill mass program and just made the most
Speaker 4: insane you know claims. So yeah, he has become a
Speaker 4: bit of a Bruce Springsteen who played at the beginning.
Speaker 1: We can't really tell them about. Let's very quickly have
Speaker 1: a look at Michelle Obama lecturing us about how intelligent
Speaker 1: she is.
Speaker 4: Of course, people line up for my advice, and you
Speaker 4: you're walking away like I'm stupid.
Speaker 1: It's like I've written books. I've written books.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 1: That's all we've got time for. Make sure you watch
Speaker 1: Rita during the week at eleven pm. Make sure Friday
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