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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's Harps and Kate Kate save

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Speaker 1: of course, Craig Harper. Of course. The name of the

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Speaker 1: show is a You Project. It's a Thursday morning in

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Speaker 1: the thriving metropolis of Melbourne. I'm going to say, thank

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Speaker 1: you Jesus. It's not a thousand degrees, Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: it's about a I don't know what is it? Twenty

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Speaker 1: one degrees, it says on my computer, which is much

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Speaker 1: more comfortable. How do you go in the heat, Kate?

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Speaker 1: Are you any good? Or do you struggle?

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Speaker 2: Let's put it this way. On that forty degree day

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Speaker 2: whenever it was, I got home from work at quarter to.

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Speaker 3: Nine at night and I was out of phone battery,

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Speaker 3: but my watch notified me we are aware that your

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Speaker 3: street has no power.

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Speaker 4: We will put it back on. At four am. My

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Speaker 4: kids come running out of the house, going, mom, the

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Speaker 4: television is not working, and I'm like, you're kidding. So

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Speaker 4: I get home on that forty degree night and there

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Speaker 4: are no power, no.

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Speaker 2: Air conditioning, no fans, no anything. So that wasn't great.

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Speaker 2: And well worse than that, no batteries in the house,

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Speaker 2: which means no torches. They had to get down the street,

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Speaker 2: get some batteries and some torches, and.

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Speaker 1: It was some fun, no, I imagine. But you think

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Speaker 1: about this, right, like, for how long we've been around

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Speaker 1: modern modern humans, for all of that whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: three hundred thousand years, we never had apart from the

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Speaker 1: last one hundred years, we didn't have any of this shit.

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Speaker 1: And now we're all like me included, We're like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, like they didn't have anything. They just had

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Speaker 1: fucking heat. Yeah, right, team, way back, we had a

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Speaker 1: little kind of an echoey first minute or two because

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Speaker 1: we had a few tech issues. But we think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm the worst to tech. I think you're just slightly

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Speaker 1: better than me, Kate, So between the two of us,

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Speaker 1: this could be a technological train wreck. But let's hope.

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Speaker 2: When was the last time you did a nineteen degree?

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Speaker 2: You need that to work this stuff these days.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, I'm look for my age, I'm

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Speaker 1: probably okay, but yeah, I'm it's not difficult to perplex me.

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'll ring Melissa and I'll go, ah, it's broken.

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Speaker 1: She goes, have you done this? And I go nah,

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Speaker 1: And I do that and I go, oh, it's not broken.

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Speaker 1: She's like see ya. It's like so annoying how she

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Speaker 1: can even do it without looking at my computer? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she goes, Okay, go down in the bottom corner. There's

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Speaker 1: one of these Oh no, there's not. No, there's not yeah,

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Speaker 1: in the bottom corner next to the Oh, I go,

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Speaker 1: oh there is too. Yeah, cool genius open that. And

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Speaker 1: then there's there's this option. Oh yeah, so there is

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Speaker 1: then click on that and I'm like yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: she goes, now, choose that, and I go ah, But

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Speaker 1: she does that like I've got everything in front of

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Speaker 1: me where I can see it. But you know, but

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Speaker 1: how much can she bench press? Though? Seriously? Like course,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're good at technology, but really,

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Speaker 1: let's see you in the gym where it matters. How

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Speaker 1: have you been What have you been up to?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've been doing some isolated muscle training recently, actually,

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Speaker 2: so that's new for me.

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Speaker 1: What does what does that mean? Tell the like, what

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Speaker 1: is isolated muscle training? So I'm just to me, that's

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Speaker 1: just isolation movements in the gym, single joint movements. What

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Speaker 2: That is exactly it. So I found out I have

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Speaker 2: stage four cartilage damage in both knees bakers in both

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Speaker 2: knees and for Telemel tracking on one side. So then

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Speaker 2: that basically meant no running. But I've gone and seen

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Speaker 2: some great people and I've actually signed up at Keyser

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Speaker 2: the you know, the physio kind of ye and all

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Speaker 2: of their exercises are just single isolation because it's all

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Speaker 2: for rehab and wow, they have a super different philosophy.

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Speaker 2: So you only do one set of exercises for a

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Speaker 2: maximum of ninety seconds to one hundred and twenty seconds.

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Speaker 2: If you get past ninety, you lift the weight. But

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Speaker 2: because you work the muscle to failure and I mean

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Speaker 2: complete failure where you are a shaking mess and you

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Speaker 1: Wow. Different and so you know, the interesting thing about

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Speaker 1: But interesting thing about the strength training is there are

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Speaker 1: a myriad of ways to do it. You know, training

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Speaker 1: You know, I need to be stronger in this plane

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Speaker 1: of movement, but not just stronger, but to be able

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Speaker 1: to generate more so relative to what's going on in Australia.

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Speaker 1: To be able to hit my backhand better or quicker,

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Speaker 1: or you know, control my hips and my glutes and

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Speaker 1: All I've got to do is push this thing on

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Speaker 1: hydro hydraulic stuff. There used to be a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: Not so much anymore. Can I just ask? So when

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, then now you've got me thinking, hang on

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Speaker 2: the obviously leg press is working both ways. They do?

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Speaker 2: They have it loaded both ways.

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Speaker 2: No, they're controlling right your speed. So you're little. You

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Speaker 2: there's no fear of going into something that you should

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of the part of the premise behind

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Speaker 2: But it enables you to do those things better because

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Speaker 2: wherever your weakness is, you're starting to strengthen. And for

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Speaker 2: me it definitely glutes. But even on these machines that

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Speaker 2: lower leg instead my glutes to do abduct or adducter exercises,

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Speaker 2: so they really tighten you in like you have belts

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. I mean when you travel around gyms

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what I need.

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Speaker 1: Closer, yes, and so on. So what you do is

430
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Speaker 1: essentially you sit in there, you put one leg in

431
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: this kind of looks like a cup holder, but it's

432
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: a leg holder on each side, and then you open

433
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: your legs out, which is called abduction abduction, and then

434
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: you're using the muscles on the outside of your legs

435
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: for a more accurate description, and then you bring it

436
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: back in also under load against resistance. That's called add adduction. Well,

437
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: we all need to train our abductors and adductors, but

438
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: almost none of us do. Well, we don't have to,

439
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: but it's not a bad idea. Right. Oh, I'm so weak.

440
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: That was what I was complaining about to start with.

442
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: When I said so as it got hard, right, what

443
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: I did is pointed my toes up to the ceiling

444
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: so I could use my carbs to squeeze this thing

445
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 2: in instead of my inner thighs. And then on the

446
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: way out as I was doing it as well, I

447
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: used the top of my thighs, my cords it was

448
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: strong to open it out instead of using the glute,

449
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: and so I knew I was cheating, But God, it

450
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 2: hurts so much that you really need to stop and

451
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: pause and take some load off, I think, to be

452
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: able to get it to the point where you know

453
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: that you are isolating those inner thighs or those outer

454
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: thighs without recruiting any of the lower back, or using

455
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: your feet as lead, or using the top of your thighs.

456
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: And the other thing I found with the abductor ab one,

457
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: when you squeeze it in, if you can hold and

458
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: make the plates touch or your legs touch for like

459
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: three to five seconds, you won't be able to do

460
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: very many of them, whereas if you just clap them

461
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: and then go back out clap them, you could go

462
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: all day. So you've got to really hold that squeeze.

463
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: And the same as the adductor one, when you push

464
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: out to the furthest point, if you want to activate

465
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: the glutes, you turn your feet out to the side

466
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: and then those poor little glutes don't know what's going on,

467
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: Whereas if you keep your feet forward, or even turn

468
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 2: them in. You won't use the glutes as much, so

469
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: turn them all the way out and you'll find you

470
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: really isolated and they burn.

471
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Speaker 1: It's so funny when you're like me, You've been training

472
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: a thousand years and the gym's your natural habitat, and

473
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: then you go do something that you should probably do

474
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: more of. Right, So a full disclosure, because I'm still

475
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: human and emotional. I try to be as strategic and

476
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: logical as I can, you know, and I tend to

477
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 1: do most muscle groups two days a week or thereabouts,

478
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, split it up, split routurne. The other day

479
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: I went, I never really like my abs are quite strong,

480
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: because I do a lot of things that involve abs,

481
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, like when I do tricep pushdowns with a

482
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: rope on a pulley, I do them either facing away

483
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: from the weight stack or towards the weight stack. But

484
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: either way, I'm on my knees and I'm in that

485
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: almost a kind of spinal flexion. I am in some

486
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: spinal flection which requires app contraction. Blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway,

487
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: the other day I was thinking, I don't really train

488
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: my lower abs much, I'm going to go do some

489
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: hanging leg races. Now, hanging leg races everyone. You can

490
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: do them a couple of ways. So the easy way

491
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: is you just well easy, You hold onto a chin

492
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: up bar, you hold your body weight. That's something we'll

493
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: talk about in a moment, just holding your body weight.

494
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: So you hold your body weight, and then you can

495
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: either just bend your knees and kind of almost like

496
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: crunch your knees up to your waist, or you can

497
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: lift your legs with straight legs up to about belly

498
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: button level, so your upper body is vertical hanging and

499
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: your lower body is horizontal out at ninety degrees to

500
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: your upper body. Well fucking he fuck my, oh my god,

501
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: because I don't think I've done them for three years

502
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: and I felt like somebody had done abdominal surgery on

503
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: me overnight when I got up. And yeah, I've since

504
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: done it again and it was not as horrendous, but yeah,

505
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: I've got it.

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00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: And that range of motion is so because you're all

507
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 2: the way from the bottom to the top of the abs,

508
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: you're working them, rather than that more shallow range when

509
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: you're inflection already, and it's a bit more isometric, so

510
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: you're just holding it there. But when you're doing that

511
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: lead range that whole toolso or the Yeah, really hard.

512
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 2: And I'm sure if you've got big quads, you've got

513
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: a heavy lower body to have that hanging off just

514
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: your abs is a lot of mention.

515
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: Also, one thing I was going to talk about. And

516
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: then you go wherever you want to go. It seems

517
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: like we're talking about strength raining today. We did not

518
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: plan this, but fuck it. I like the conversation is, so,

519
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 1: when you do any movement, there's part of the movement

520
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: in the concentric phase, when you're actually doing the work

521
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: like pulling the weight or pushing the weight the concentric

522
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: bit rather than resisting the weight as it naturally goes

523
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: back to its starting position whatever that was. But there's

524
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: there's a the point where you are the movement is easier.

525
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: I'll explain this with a practical example. So for example,

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Speaker 1: when you do bench press, you lift it off the rack,

527
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: you're on your back, you lift the let's say just

528
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: the bar whatever it is, or whatever the weight is.

529
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: You lift it off, and then you bring it down. Now,

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00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: the first let's say between the top of the movement

531
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: and your chest. The bottom of the movement is let's

532
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: say that's one hundred, one hundred range of movement out

533
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: of one hundred. So as you bring it down, it's easy.

534
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: It's easy because you've got what's called a biomechanical advantage

535
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: right now. The lower that you come, even though it's

536
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: the same weight, the heavier in inverted commas it becomes.

537
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: So let's say you've brought it down ten centimeters, it's

538
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: very easy to push it back to the top, same weight,

539
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: same arm, same person. You bring it down twenty centimeters,

540
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: it's harder, even though it's the same weight, because you're

541
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 1: now at a biomechanical disadvantage. It is literally requires more strength.

542
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: Then you bring it all the way down to your

543
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: chest right and then you've got to get it. So generally,

544
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: with like a lot of exercises, people are weaker if

545
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 1: we look at the totality of the range being one hundred.

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00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: Usually towards the end of the whole movement, the last

547
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of thirty to fifty is where they struggle. So

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00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: here's my suggestion, boys and girls. If that's you and

549
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: you go, oh, it's easy up here, but it's hard

550
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: down here. Lower the weight maybe by half and only

551
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: do the bottom half, So only do the hard bit.

552
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: So one of the things I used to do with powerlifters, bodybuilders,

553
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: AFL players, lots of elite athletes is we do normal

554
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: bench but once a week or once every ten days,

555
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: maybe we would just do the bottom half of the

556
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: movement where it is hardest, where you have the least

557
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: biomechanical advantage. And so what you're doing is that bottom

558
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: fifty percent, especially thirty percent maybe where it's real hard.

559
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: You're getting that area stronger because once you get past

560
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: a point, you can just lock out, you know what

561
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like identifying any weakness, not even

562
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: exercise to exercise, but even range of movement within the

563
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: same exercise, where lots of guys who were stuck. Virtually

564
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: everyone who fails on bench press fails at the bottom,

565
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: virtually everyone people rarely fail at the top of the movement,

566
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying? In other words, they

567
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: have to give up at the bottom. The amount of

568
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: barbells that I have pulled off mainly men where the

569
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: bars stuck on their chest because they just crash and burn.

570
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: So that's another idea, And you can it's like even

571
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: doing say a body weight squat. This is a very

572
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: easy to test and easy to do. Let's say you're

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Speaker 1: doing a body weight squat. Let's say you've got your

574
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: hands out in front of you, say, parallel to the grind,

575
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: one hand on top of the other maybe, and then

576
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: you go into a squat. So you stick your bum

577
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: out and back, you go down, Your knees go forward,

578
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: your ass goes back, and now you bring your ass

579
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: down to be about the same level as your knees,

580
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: which we would call that roughly parallel size. Roughly parallel. Now,

581
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: if your knees are okay, go a tinme it. By

582
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: the way, all this is not medical advice. This is

583
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: us talking about training. So if you've got issues, see

584
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: a doctor, right, But all things being equal, take your

585
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: ass a tiny bit lower than your knees, like an inch,

586
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: a couple of centimeters, and then come back up, but

587
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: only half and then go back down. Do not straighten up.

588
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: Keep your legs under because what happens with most people

589
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: at the top of the squad, their knees lockout, their

590
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: quads switch off. Everything switches off. So now everything's not underload,

591
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: it's relaxed. What's holding you up is your skeleton, not

592
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: your muscles. So when you do that, just say, for example,

593
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: this is one of many examples, but you do that

594
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: squat and you slow it down and you reduce the

595
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: range of movement by half, and you're only doing the

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00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: bottom half you would do, say maybe you can normally

597
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: bang out forty bodyweight squats, you would struggle to do

598
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: fifteen this way, even though you're only doing way less

599
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: reps and you're only doing half the movement. But because

600
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: there is no recovery, it is total time under tension

601
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah. So I love shit like that.

602
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that takes me back to the leg press machine,

603
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: where it's safe if it's pin loaded. So don't do

604
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: this on a free weight leg press. But when it's

605
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: pin loaded, if you reduce your range in the middle

606
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: of it, you can go to failure and literally to

607
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: the point where your legs shake so much that they fail.

608
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: And you're not going to get hurt on a pin

609
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: loaded machine, So you can reduce that range. And I

610
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: think this is the whole thing where I felt so

611
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: so to this training because the weight was definitely less

612
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: than what I would leg press on a free loaded machine,

613
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: but reducing that range to that little middle part where

614
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 2: you don't straighten your legs and you don't come all

615
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: the way in where you could actually sort of take

616
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: a bit of a break and lean up against your

617
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: body just doing that middle part. So it hurts, doesn't it.

618
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

619
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: Going back to fitness and exercise, I know what else

620
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: is new. I did fitness testing the other week with

621
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Speaker 2: that ever lab program, and I mean VO two max testing,

622
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 2: max group strength testing, max push up test, a jump

623
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: test which I dismally failed, but the others I blew

624
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: myself away at how mentally strong I was. I don't

625
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: think I'm as physically strong as I am mentally strong

626
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: that I would not give up on the VO two Max.

627
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: My you know, my devices tell me it's about forty seven.

628
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: I tell what tell people what votwo max is.

629
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: Ah, So you're it's a maximum amount of oxygen per

630
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: kilo per minute that your body can take in the

631
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: way that you test. This could either be on a

632
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: stationary bike or on a treadmill. You wear an ox

633
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: You wear a mask, and that mask captures all of

634
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: your oxygen and carbohydrate and your mix of that, and

635
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: with that mask on your face as you're increasing your

636
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: incline on the treadmill. Incline increases the most like you're

637
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: you're going from don't quote me on the Bruce protocol,

638
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: but whether it's twelve percent incline to then fourteen or

639
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: sixteen percent to twenty percent, your speed is only going

640
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: up slightly. You might be walking at four kilometers and

641
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: then it's six or and then you get to a

642
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: twitch eight kilometers on I think it was a sixteen

643
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: percent incline. You can try and walk it, but you

644
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: kind of need to jog it because it's so steep.

645
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you can't. The average person definitely couldn't

646
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: walk at eight kilometers on that endcline. Yeah.

647
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: And so the guy said to me, I said, what

648
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: would you be happy to get to? And heros fifteen minutes?

649
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: So I did sixteen minutes that last.

650
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Minute did got you did?

651
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,959
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, like that mental I have to beat

652
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: what what he thinks he could get. And this lovely

653
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: man was in his early twenties. I'm in my early

654
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: forties and I had to beat him. I just And

655
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: I think that's what made me so proud at the

656
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: end of the test is when you analyze the results.

657
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 2: My aerobic threshold and my anaerobic threshold were well below

658
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: how far I took the test. I got into such

659
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: an oxygen debt in the test through mental through my

660
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: competitive site. Let's just say that that I was willing

661
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: to kill myself to win this challenge.

662
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: Okay, please don't kill yourself, you know, but what is

663
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: fascinating about this? I love this and I don't want

664
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: you to kill yourself. Also, listeners, we're not recommending you

665
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: do what Kate did, right, We're just having a chat.

666
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: But so you know, there's a thing in the psychology

667
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: of exercise called rate of perceived exertion, and essentially everyone

668
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: we've spoken about it here before. It just means how

669
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: hard you think you're working. So let's make an imaginary scale.

670
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: One to ten is you're working as hard as you

671
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: humanly can, like you couldn't work any harder if your

672
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: life depended on it. That's ten. One is your fucking round.

673
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: Three or four is you going all right, but you're

674
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: not really killing yourself? Seven or eight is you think

675
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: you're working real hard? Ten is you think you're at

676
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: your physiological limit. And the funny thing is that I've literally,

677
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: I have personally seen this thousands of times because I

678
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: spent so much time with so many clients, literally delivering

679
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: over fifty thousand PD sessions myself, not my team, myself, right,

680
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: my team over a million, well over a million, right,

681
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: So I'm not guessing, I'm not theorizing. I'm telling you,

682
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: I've seen thousands of people who did not have a

683
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: fucking clue of what they were capable of, and their

684
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: story about what they were capable of was so fucking

685
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: far from what they were actually physiologically capable of that

686
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: their body was not in any way the problem. Their

687
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: mind was in every way the problem. So this is

688
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: that's why when you know, the first book I ever wrote,

689
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: terrible title, but it was called Fatitude, and the reason

690
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: was you couldn't write that now was twenty five years ago,

691
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: but fuck it, but it was because I realized, even

692
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: as an excise whatever I was, specialist blah blah blah scientist,

693
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: that's XI scientists. At that stage, I realized that, oh,

694
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: the body's not. Of course, the body is an issue.

695
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: We've got a factor around the body. We've got to

696
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: navigate various whatever issues. But at the end of the

697
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: day is the body for most people, the thing that

698
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: gets in the way of them getting better, whatever better means.

699
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: Let's just use that as a blanket term. A bit,

700
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: a stronger, healthier lena, more functional, more resilient, whatever, Right, Well,

701
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: the answer to that is no. The answer to that

702
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: is basically your physiology is at the mercy of your

703
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: psychology in that your body doesn't choose how hard to go.

704
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: Your body gives you data and feedback, of course, but

705
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: your body doesn't choose to have fucking honey smacks on

706
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: neutral grain for breakfast. Your mind does. Your body doesn't

707
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: choose to sit on the couch. Your mind doesn't. Of course,

708
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: people going, oh, you haven't been in my body, I

709
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: have one. Well, not literally, but and also I've worked

710
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: with people with advanced cancer in the gym. I've worked

711
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: with my mate Johnny, who's got a spinal cord injury

712
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: and a traumatic brain injury for eight years. The guy

713
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: that started lifting a broomstick in a chair was told

714
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: he'd never walk, right. I've worked with people who are

715
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: at such a fucking massive physical disadvantage that I think,

716
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: and I never say shit like this, but I have

717
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: a pretty good fucking understanding of human potential on a physiological, psychological,

718
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: and emotional level. So it doesn't surprise me that you

719
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: did that, because you're the check who built this fucking

720
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: amazing company. You're the chick who went on Shark Tank.

721
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: You're the shit, the chick, the shit you are, You're

722
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: k Kate, You're the shit. You're the chick who overcame

723
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: all these personally, all these medical and physical challenges when

724
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: you were young. You're the chick who just went when

725
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: everyone went no, you went nah, fuck you yes. And

726
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm not piercing in your pocket because I've never seen

727
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: any of this stuff publicly, but I would be surprised

728
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: if you didn't outperform that guy's expectations because I know

729
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: you and you're all fucking Mary Poppins, but you ain't

730
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: like I see well through the Mary Poppins persona, and

731
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: it's lovely and you are lovely, and you're a good

732
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: communicator and you're genuinely a good person. But you've got

733
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of the C word in you, which

734
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: we don't say on this show, but you've got a

735
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: little bit of that in you, and I think you

736
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: know me too, like I'm I've been understandably, I've been

737
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: underestimated since I was the fattest kid at school. And

738
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: it's still like some people still think I'm I've just

739
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: been I've had great opportunities, or I'm lucky, or I'm like, okay, okay,

740
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: Well you haven't lived my life and you haven't been

741
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: where I've been, and that's okay, and there's no self

742
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: pity in this. But I know what I've done. You

743
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: don't know I would have done. You know, so that

744
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: what people can't take away from you is your willingness

745
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: to do what they won't do, because rather than then

746
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: say I'm weak or I'm pissy, or fuck it's too hard,

747
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: or they'd rather find fault in you than go and

748
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 1: look in the fucking mirror and go, is there any

749
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: chance that I am the problem? Nah? Fuck it, it's Kate.

750
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: She's this. She's that. They'd rather run you down than

751
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: take ownership of what they're not doing. Steps down off soapbox.

752
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: So on National TV when I was nineteen or twenty,

753
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: there was a show called Dog Eat Dog and I

754
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: was a contestant and they slaughtered me. They called me

755
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: a piece of blonde fluff on National TV and as

756
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: you can imagine. I've just met my who is my

757
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: currently husband, and he was playing footy with all these

758
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: footy mates and I did not know this show was

759
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: on either did he. But some of his mates have

760
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: called him and said, Hey, Fluffy, that's what they call

761
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: me after that show. That nickname has stuck for many years.

762
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: Hey Fluffy's on the TV. Turn it on. I had

763
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: no idea this show was going to air, like I

764
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: knew it would one day. And I crushed them in

765
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: the end, But the whole way through they completely bagged

766
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: me out that I was a piece of blonde fluff

767
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: and this, this and this, and I was so satisfied

768
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: in the end, I wo up coming third. I didn't

769
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: win it, but that being underestimated because I was blonde,

770
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: I was female, and I was the youngest on the

771
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 2: show by a heap. And I think those little things

772
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: kind of grind that. There's been many, many of them that.

773
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: My other favorite one is we need a real CEO

774
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: because of my gender. Apparently I'm not real. So I've

775
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: got a few real winners like that that I think.

776
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: That's that's the scene in there.

777
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, isn't it. It's like, like with you,

778
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's largely just because of your gender. And

779
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, it's so funny that people would

780
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: essentially criticize you, and I know this is a dumb

781
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: thing to say. In twenty twenty six, we're much more

782
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: aware and now, which is not to say that it

783
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: hasn't stopped. For being attractive and for being a female.

784
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, half the world's female bro also being pretty,

785
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 5: not that it's a prerequisite for anything, but she can't

786
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 5: help how she looks, so you know, chill out.

787
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: The blonde hair.

788
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: Bantage when people see the blonde hair, and if I'm

789
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: not overweight or whatever, there's there's an instant hate from

790
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: some people until my challenge is always to break them

791
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: down and try and get them to like me and understand. Oh,

792
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: we're very similar. We both we both get frickin' periods,

793
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: we both had babies, we're both probably going through perimenopause.

794
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: We both maybe have teenage kids that are very hard

795
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: to manage. Oh, maybe we lost our parents, maybe we've

796
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: lost whatever it is. When you can break them down

797
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: and find the human side of them, they're like, oh,

798
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: you're not too bad, that's right.

799
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: You're human. Yeah, it's so interesting. But you know what

800
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: also is interesting as I get older, which I don't

801
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: blame people for this, I totally understand, but you know

802
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: not that I've said many times, I'm not genetically gifted.

803
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm not any of that. I'm not special at all.

804
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: But I have created an operating system and a set

805
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: of habits and behaviors built around how to optimize me,

806
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: and I just do those. I don't do them when

807
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm pumped or excited or motivated. That's just my default setting.

808
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: And so as a byproduct of that, you know, touchwood.

809
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: Who knows what's in the future. But anyway, it seems

810
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: that as of now, I'm okay, and you know all that.

811
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: Don't drink, don't smoke, don't eat shit, don't do drugs,

812
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: never been drunk, never been high, you know, train all that.

813
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: But because you're sixty two, people expect something different and

814
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: they you know, when people they talk to me, Oh,

815
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: where was I? Oh, that's right, when I went to

816
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: get my ears done, right, because I've got ustation tube dysfunction,

817
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: I've got you know, all this shit going on, and

818
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: I had an operation last week and I had a

819
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: general out of sex. So anyway, I get it. But

820
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: they come in and they start talking to me like,

821
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: I'm my mum. Now like, hello, mister Harper, how are you?

822
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: And I'm old, come on, bro, call me jumbo Craig

823
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: Harps anything, not fucking mister Harper. And they're like, then

824
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: the lady who was a sweetheart, it's a job. But

825
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: she's like, have you had any falls lately?

826
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm like, off my motorbike or what? Dude.

827
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, But then I go She's looked at

828
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: the thing and she's seeing how old I am, and oh,

829
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, I probably look like a fucking two hundred

830
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: year old prune in the head. And I'm like, I

831
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: get it, and I said I didn't quite get I said, sorry,

832
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: can you what did you say? She goes, have you

833
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: had any falls lately, mister Harper? And I'm like, you'll

834
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: have a fall in a moment, bro, That's no, no,

835
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: not really. But I'm like and then I went, well,

836
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: of course, you know. It's like but we get and

837
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I I well with you, that's totally

838
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: malicious and bullshit. But I think, you know, people go, oh, well,

839
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: he's this old. I'm looking in his form and he's

840
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: coming in for an operation on his ears, and you know,

841
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: and so you're treated soon.

842
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: Like obviously this is where you're heading, because yeah.

843
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: You're not treated on how you are, you treated on

844
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: how they think you probably are.

845
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: But anyway, but that is a really that is that

846
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: happens in the medical systems. I've worked in hospitals for

847
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 2: two decades and exactly what you said happens all the time.

848
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: And because I'm so aware of this, my mum a

849
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, she came to my house and

850
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 2: the poor grandkids when she'd left, would go my children,

851
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: Grandma keeps farting, and I'm like, what do you mean? Anyway,

852
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: called mum and I was like, Mom, can you not

853
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: like do that around the house. She's like, oh, I've

854
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: told you, I've just got this flatulence and I don't

855
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: understand it. This, this, and this. She goes, I've had

856
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: this bloating. Anyway, A couple of ways goes by, she goes,

857
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: look at my tummy. So Mom's fifty two kilos. She

858
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: lifts up her top and she's super toned and she's

859
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: got this pot belly and I'm like, oh, that's weird.

860
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, I told you I've got wind

861
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: and I've you know, I've got all this blutein and

862
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, Mum, that is like that needs to be

863
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: looked at. That that is a real problem. She goes, oh,

864
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: I've had it since January. I've been to the doctors twice.

865
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: They keep telling me it's constipation. Takes some latulo's And

866
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: so I said no, no, no, you need to go

867
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: to emergency and you need to tell them that this

868
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: has been there like this for a few months now.

869
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: And I said, you're going to the toilet and she goes, oh, barely,

870
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's coming out like string. I'm like, Mum,

871
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: this is please go to emergency. Do not go to

872
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: the doctor. Right. I sent her to emergency three times

873
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: and she came back with so there was lactilo's, then

874
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: there was more the coal, and they kept telling her

875
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: it was constipation. Mum is blonde, thin, loud, and extremely confident,

876
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: well looking at this point, and so they kept sending

877
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: her home. I flew to Africa this particular night and

878
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: the day before I left, Mama's babysitting my kids, and

879
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: I said to her, have you got this like sorded.

880
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: Have they scanned you? She goes, oh, I had a scam.

881
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: They said it's nothing, it's just old age. And I said, Mom,

882
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: they don't know you. They don't know you exercise two

883
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: hours a day, they don't know that you have a

884
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: flat stomach, and all of a sudden, you've got this

885
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: huge protrusion. And I said, you need to go back

886
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: there and not leave until they find something. And I

887
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: actually said to her, Mum, I think you have cancer

888
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, nah, couldn't be. This is and this.

889
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: I got on that plane to Africa and in the

890
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: air I got a text message when your fine kind

891
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: of goes in and out, and it said, now I

892
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: understand why her shop was closed today. Send my wishes

893
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: to your dad. And I'm like, who, well, who is this?

894
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: What is this? I was stuck in the air and

895
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: when I landed, I called Dad and I said, what's

896
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: going on? Your mum collapsed at home. She's got bow cancer.

897
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 2: She's in for surgery. I'm at the hospital and they're

898
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: currently operating. I hope she's going to be okay. And

899
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I knew it. And I was ropeable

900
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: because they sent her home three times, and they judged

901
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 2: her by her age because she was seventy. They didn't

902
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: consider anything else. There was no other past medical history.

903
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: But I mean, I've got photos on my phone because

904
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: I took photos of her stomach because she has a

905
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: flatter stomach than me. And I'm like, this is not right.

906
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: And if you're passing wind and you are shitting string,

907
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 2: you've got a blockage. I don't know what the cause

908
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: of that blockage is, but if you've been on lax

909
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: it is for four or five months, it's not constipation

910
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: like anyway. So I and this is we banged down

911
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: about this last time. Take responsibility for your own health.

912
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: If there is something wrong with you, you know there's

913
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: something wrong with you, don't stop looking like it's your body.

914
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: They are not living in your body. If there's something wrong,

915
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: you need to do something about it. And because mum

916
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: has a high pain threshold, she actually collapsed, which she

917
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: had to go to hospital. Dad had to call to

918
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: take her to hospital. If she hadn't have collapsed, she

919
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: just would have got along with Well, it must just

920
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: be a constipation, you know. That's what they've told me

921
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 2: three times. My doctor twice and emergency sent me home.

922
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: Wow, and I think, well, I'm sorry, obviously, be your mum.

923
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: God bless her.

924
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

925
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 1: Just tell our audience when did your mum pass away?

926
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: It was it last year.

927
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 2: It was three months after this that she passed away

928
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: of no known cause. So they took her body, they

929
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: did the autopsies. The coroner's report came back three or

930
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: four weeks later. No cancer in her body, no heart attack,

931
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: no no stroke, no cholesterol or plaque built up anywhere

932
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 2: in her body, nothing at all. Her cancer had been

933
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: completely removed, she'd been completely put in remission and they

934
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: found no cancer in the autopsy. So she actually died

935
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: of no known cause. I went to africa Apool that

936
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: year and we found her dead on the floor on

937
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: the fifteenth of June. A couple of months later, and

938
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: even more frustrating, that particular morning, she actually went back

939
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: to the oncology center because she woke up in the

940
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: night and said to Dad, my dad, Oh, I've got

941
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: this funny pain. Dad goes, is it yeah, and she goes,

942
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think so, Oh it's gone

943
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: now I'm going back to sleep, and he goes, we

944
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: can go to work. This morning, can you call into

945
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: the medical center and just tell them you had this pain.

946
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: So sure enough she went there and they told her, oh,

947
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: look there's a you know, we don't think it's anything,

948
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: but if you feel it again today, you best call

949
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 2: an ambulance. So she actually went and got a check

950
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: up at nine am that morning. I called her at

951
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: eleven am that day and said, oh, you don't need

952
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: to pick up the kids from school, And by five

953
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: point thirty that night she was found collapsed in her

954
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: shop after dragging in a forty kilo rack from out

955
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: the front that she did all day every day because

956
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: she was strong. But apparently it wasn't harsh. And the

957
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: only thing they say on a coroner's report where there's

958
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: no known cause of death is the only thing they

959
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 2: can't see in the body when it's dead is electrical activity.

960
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: So unless there was some sort of electrical thing with

961
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: the hut up that had never been diagnosed before and

962
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: no other herd issues, that is the only pausible thing.

963
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: No one knows what she died of.

964
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: This wow wow, Well, a cardiac arrest as opposed to

965
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: a heart attack, which often they can come at the

966
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: same time, but often a cardiac arrest is just a

967
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: cardiac arrest, which, as you said, is usually something going

968
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: on with the electrical activity of the heart, which is

969
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: what my training partner had. He had a cardiac arrest

970
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: at the gym, but no heart attack. Yeah, yeah, you know,

971
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: so well that is yeah. We we could go on,

972
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: we could go on. We better wind up. But I

973
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: just think so I want to say, I understand like

974
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: people listening to this are going to go, yeah, but

975
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: I trust my doctor room and I go and he

976
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: or she says this, And I'm not saying you shouldn't

977
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: trust them. I'm just saying you also need to understand

978
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: that even though they might be great people with great

979
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: whatever motives of knowledge, they're human and they're going to

980
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: get stuff wrong and they're going to miss stuff. And

981
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: if you instinctively or intuitively feel like there's actually something

982
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: that's a problem, that's not you being neurotic. That's you

983
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: maybe having some real quality intel from your body, you know,

984
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: and look, the worst thing is or the best thing is,

985
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: it's nothing, And you look like a bit of a

986
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: worry wart and no drama. Good good be a worry

987
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: wart sometimes, like you know, better off than just sweeping

988
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: it under the cognitive carpet or the metaphoric carpet, and gannah,

989
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: it'll be right, it'll be right, and battling on for

990
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: five months with the distended stomach and all that stuff.

991
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, we've both got great older parents. My dad

992
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: just turned eighty three last week, twenty second of January,

993
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: and he, because of losing mum, he thought he'd go first.

994
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: He's ten years older than month. He now, Oh, if

995
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: he has the slightest sneeze, he will go to the

996
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: doctor and go, well, I heard a snooze, you know,

997
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: do you think this could be something? So he gets

998
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 2: everything checked out. But he is proactive. So this man

999
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: that had never strength trained, never exercised before, exercises every day,

1000
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: walks twice a day. And do you know what he

1001
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: wanted for his birthday? Protein shake. I spent one hundred

1002
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: and twenty bucks on two kilos of protein for him.

1003
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: Good for him, and good for you, good daughter. I

1004
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: thought you would have just taken him a couple of

1005
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: chickens and built him a thing at the backyard. Kate,

1006
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: where can people connect with you? Find you, follow you

1007
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: and see what you do when you're not doing podcasting?

1008
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: With Fatty Harps yep so Instagram, Beefit Food Australia or

1009
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: Kate save and LinkedIn You're the best.

1010
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: We were going to which we're not. We were going

1011
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: to bang on about Oprah but that the Oprah boat

1012
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: has sailed everybody, but yeah, one day, all right, Thanks Kate,

1013
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: thank you,