WEBVTT - The Media Show | 6 December 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:05.480 This is the media issue with Jack outing hello and 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:07.640 welcome to the media show. We have a big one 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.480 tonight with the Prime minister's latest attack on the free press. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.040 But first, there has been a trend in the media 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.239 where blind faith is given to one side of politics, 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.400 while every decision by a conservative leader is viewed with 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.880 skepticism and scorn. This inconsistency was on display when President 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:29.560 Joe Biden promised to not pardon his convicted tax criminal 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:30.720 son Hunter Biden. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:35.159 He is not pardoning his son, which he could do. 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.760 These are federal trojles. He is not doing that. He 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.680 is not doing it because he is living what it 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.120 means to have a rule of law in this country, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.879 and it is I mean, if you want to know 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:51.080 if he believes it, you can actually see what is 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.120 happening with his own son. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.560 For years, these conservatives have been crowing about a politicized 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:02.040 justice department. Biden politicized it and so on. What happened 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:07.760 today The Justice Department convicted the president's own son, his 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.000 only living son. You heard the President say he would 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.920 accept the outcome of the case. I know no other 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.800 word for that, but presidential. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.399 One side Democrats and Joe Biden protecting the justice system, 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.360 and on the other Republicans and Trump protecting Trump. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.280 This week that blind faith was shattered. We're coming on 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:28.920 the air this hour with breaking news. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.560 President Biden has just pardoned his son Hunter on gun 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.680 and tax charges. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.880 Issuing a quote full and unconditional pardon to his son. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.320 President Biden has made a decision to pardon his son. 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.600 Hunter, excusing any offenses the first son may have committed 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:45.399 over the past decade. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.040 And then came the spin. Journalists and media pundance over 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.440 at MSNBC were quick to explain why this betrayal was 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:53.800 actually very justified. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.640 Barb I know you believe that this pardon was justified. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.559 How do you respond to even allies of the president 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.040 who say this is bad for the rule of law, 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.320 bad for trust and the justice system, and bad precedent overall. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:07.720 Just that. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:09.560 Yeah. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.600 I think the biggest concern is Joe Biden's flip flop 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.200 on this. At one point he said he would not 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.600 pardon his son, and now of course he has done so. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.920 And I think that is probably where this feeling of 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.240 betrayal comes from. But I also think you have to 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.520 look at the fact that circumstances have changed since he 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.840 made those statements. We've had Donald Trump now elected president 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:33.000 and vowing to seek retribution against his political rivals. How 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.560 better to get back at Joe Biden than to go 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.520 after Hunter Biden, his son. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:42.000 But not everyone was so daft. John Stewart raised legitimate 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.160 questions about the sweeping wording of the pottom. You know, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.160 I get fine, it's good, it's right, It's just right. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.760 An eighty two year old man doesn't want. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.399 To spend the rest of his life visiting his son 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:53.919 in prison. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:55.880 Can't a wave with all the time. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.720 I'm sure the pardon is a narrowly written, precise drawn 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:05.320 farewell note of compassion for a loved one. 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.480 The pardon sweeping covering offenses that Hunter Biden quote has 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.880 committed or may have committed or taken. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.320 Part in over the past eleven years eleven years is 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:22.960 very specific. Well, joining me on the panel, his host 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.520 of six PR Drive Perth Oliver Peterson, veteran broadcast Joining 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:32.280 me on the desk, cal Richards. John Stewart is brilliant. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.760 He's wonderful, and he's pointed out exactly what the problem is. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.960 This goes back to twenty eleven and it covers whatever 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.360 he did might have done that hasn't been found out yet, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:45.360 or might have been involved in because there is a theory. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.960 Miranda Devine in her book The Big Guy talks about this, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.920 the fact that the whole Biden family was involved. Part 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.640 of what Joe Biden is doing in pardonings Hunter is 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:59.160 protecting himself. Suddenly there's no conviction against his son, so 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.119 we can't questions about, you know, where the money went 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.440 and whether Joe got a few dollars out of it 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.400 or whatever. The whole thing is bizarre, and the reason 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.280 he gave the reason he gave is his own Justice 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.280 Department is rigged and politicized. They went after for Hunda 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.760 because he was my son. That was the only reason. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.800 So Trump has been saying, look, the Justice Department has 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:24.200 rigged and politicized, and Biden has no no, no oh, 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:25.159 except for Hunda. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.320 It is hit for him, it's just absent. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.440 I think the point as well that John Stewart was 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.599 making is that that exact period of time dates back 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.839 to twenty fourteen where you've got the Barisma allegation from 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.400 christ said very complex stuff, but essentially he's been put 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.520 on the board of this energy company making an extraordinary 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.159 amount of money with no qualification, with what kind of 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:46.400 influence that's right? 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.240 And where did the money end up going. 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.560 So obviously there's a lot going on here, and the 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.560 question is who does he pardon next. I mean there 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.000 are people now saying he should give preemptive pardons to anyone, 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.320 preemptive people, not charged, not not on lys should have 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:01.200 done anything. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.640 Just in case it all gets really terrible in the future. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.200 Yes, so much for that moral high ground, Oliver, let's 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.720 bring you in. The thing that really jumped out at 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.840 me with this case is the media. When I went 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.479 back and rewatched some of those clips, there was no skepticism, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.279 there was no probit of questions. If anything, it was 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.000 used as a talking point, by the way, in the 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.880 middle of an election campaign, so he was posturing basically 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.640 for votes. Oh you know, Donald Trump is this evil 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.760 person that uses he's going to use power maliciously. But me, 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.120 I won't even pardon my son. And the way that 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.479 the media just allowed that to permeate without challenging it, 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.840 I think it's rather problematic. 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.839 Absolutely, And even in the clip you played there about 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.920 the flip flop and was justified the circumstances have changed 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.320 because Donald Trump's coming to power. I'll tell you who 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.919 he should have pardoned. As Kel just said, the preemptive pardon. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.960 Why doesn't he pardon Donald Trump? And I mean Donald 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.760 Trump's lawyers obviously now have a the' very good reasons 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.760 we even ask for pardon if you actually want to 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.960 try and bring America back together and actually unite the country. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.200 That's what Biden could have done in the cell of 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.760 trying to pardon his own son. If he pardoned if 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.280 he pardoned Hunter, and he pardoned Trump, imagine, then that 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.839 would just sort of eliminate a lot of I suppose 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:22.000 the hostility around even this discussion, But it is hip 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.880 critical of Joe Biden to do this in the final 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.080 days of his presidency. If you are a Democrat in 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.440 the United States right now, you would just be pulling 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.360 your hair out, just try to gather the pieces together. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.000 After Kamala Harris has lost there in the presidential election, 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.240 then you look at this and go, what in the 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.000 world do we stand for as. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:41.760 A political party? 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.440 If that has been the attack against Donald Trump for 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.480 the last five years now, the Democrats themselves have absolutely 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.200 no leg to stand on. So seeing any justification for this, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.919 and some of those clips you played before, Jack, you 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.800 just can't comprehend it. It cannot defend the decision that's 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:58.240 been made. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.719 Yet some will always find a way. But moving on 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.240 to the assassination of a CEO who ran a health 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.920 insurance company in America, and the disturbing and brazen attack 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.440 in New York City was caught on camera, and the 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.840 murderer is now on the run, And for the most part, 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.640 the media covered this story responsibly, But The New York 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.880 Times used the extra media interest to launch an attack 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.920 on the insurance company before the assailant has even been caught. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.320 They write, United Healthcare has battled a range of complaints 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.960 and investigations from patients, doctors, and lawmakers for its denial 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:37.320 of medical claims. Those practices may face new scrutiny after 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:41.120 law enforcement officials said that the bullet casings found on 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.080 the site of the killing of the United Healthcare chief 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:48.400 executive Brian Thompson on Wednesday appeared to have messages including 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.480 the words deny and delay written on them. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:52.000 Now. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.520 The article also states that social media users were using 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.960 the murder to express frustration over insurance claims being denied 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:04.440 for them and quote others have gone even further, celebrating 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.520 the death of a top insurance executive. Now, there was 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.360 no suggestion in that article that these celebrations were wrong, 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.320 but one journalist refused to dance around the issue and 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:19.160 instead blatantly advocated for the death of insurance executives. Former 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.240 Washington Post reporter Taylor Lorenz, who rose to infamy over 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.160 her bizarre reporting during the pandemic, wrote this, why we 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:32.719 wanted insurance executives dead. No, that does not mean that 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.760 people should murder them. But if you've watched a loved 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.640 one suffer and die from insurance denial, it's normal to 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.920 wish the people responsible would suffer the same fate. And 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.199 she repeated these vile comments on social media platform blue Sky, 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.320 which is supposed to be this safe space away from 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.880 Elon Musk. Remember, and the New York Post reports Taylor 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:58.680 Lorenz defends United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson's murder in sickening post. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.960 People wonder what we want these executives dead? Now? In 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.640 my opinion, this is a call for violence and should 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:13.120 be condemned by all reasonable people. Kel it's a fine 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.320 line between doing some of this more investigative journalism, and 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.400 then at least putting forward the appearance that there was 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:25.439 some sort of justification. Now, honestly, this Taylor Lorenz person indefensible, 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.840 a maniac. The New York Times story is a little 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.600 bit more gray because there are issues in the American 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.000 healthcare system. But the timing of that article, I thought, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.520 if you're a family member, if you're looking at that, 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.080 is that really the time to have that conversation. 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.920 New York Times strade very close, I think to the 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.360 boundary of what you do not say this was murder. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.600 If they were to say there's a problem with private 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.079 health insurance in America. This is a billion dollar company. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:57.800 This man has become ementionally rich, and it's so terrible 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.920 in America. Recently, one of the your companies said they 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.200 won't cover and aesthetics beyond a certain point. If your 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.480 surgery goes longer than that, they stop paying. I mean, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.120 it would be awful if the anesthesia stopped at that point. 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.760 So there are problems. And one person they. 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.800 Also follow the law, They've got the legal framework, they're set. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.560 There, And there was there was one person who was 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.800 joining with Taylor on this, saying he did the victim 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:25.760 have a pre existing condition joke. So once what's happened 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.920 is someone has died, someone has been shot, then nothing 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:34.079 you say about, well, you can understand why people are angry. Well, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.520 this might be justified by their anger with health insurance company. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.920 It would be like if a cop was shot in 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.360 America and then the New York Times ran a story 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.640 about injustices made committed by the police force. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.199 Parallel, more broadly, is. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.640 To me, it's not appropriate that there is no justification. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.040 There is a way to have that fight. It's legislatively, 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.600 it's through potentially social activism on social media. It's not 0:10:58.200 --> 0:10:59.880 justifying them away. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.360 From an event like this, a dramatic event. Then you 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.280 make the case there's a problem with health insurance companies. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.400 Otherwise it does look as though you were saying, well, 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:09.720 Lauder it on himself. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.040 You know, they behave like this, they get shot. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.080 Yeah, and they've got no problems editorializing on every other issue. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.000 But there wasn't a line, and they're saying, you know, reprehensibly. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.640 Some people said they didn't characterize in the way that 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.880 they do other things. Just what jumped out at me, Oliver. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.120 Let's bring you in what do you think of this 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:24.640 whole mess. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:27.319 I think they've lost the plot. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.840 I think if they're as you said, Jack, if they're 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.439 going to be effectively inciting murder, to say, if you're 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.480 not happy with you, you know, health insurer, shoot the CEO. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.679 That's effectively the message, which is just wrong and should 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.720 be condemned in every possible sense of the logic of 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.679 that statement. I just I can't believe that that's what 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.320 would be reported in the Times. 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.120 I think that this is. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.959 A point as well where the media has responsibility, Jack, 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.520 because if this is the sort of path we want 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.679 to tread down in the mainstream media, then you can 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.040 make that justification for anything. Oh I don't like the 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.440 water bill, go and shoot the CEO. I don't like 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.440 my electricity bill, go and shoot the CEO. No, you know, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.680 we're very lucky to be living in democracies like Australian 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.720 Obviously in the United States, this is a really worrying trend, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.640 and I think you can obviously go and map that argument. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.800 You can go and have that investigative piece of journalism 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.200 that sits to some side well and truly away from 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.000 the cold blooded murder of a chief executive. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:27.000 Walking down the street. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.640 I just cannot believe that we are able to even 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.720 publish that sort of stuff and think that it's okay, 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.080 because what's going to be thought provoking? 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:35.800 No, it's not. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.000 You're basically trying to green light murder and it really 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.360 sits really poorly with me. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.320 Yeah, I completely agree, And look, I think the other 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.280 point kel is a lot of Taylor Loren's commentary was 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:50.040 on this new social media platform Blue Sky, which the 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.400 left has abandoned Twitter x whatever. I'm still calling it Twitter. 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.600 That's what it is. I want to hear anything different. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.679 Have abandoned Twitter to go over to this place. These 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.440 are the the conversations I'll have. I don't think you're 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.760 going to hear these human rights groups calling for advertisers 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.400 to boycott this place. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.840 No, No, it's quite bizarre. And when she put in 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.680 her posts, there was a pylon, lots and lots of 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.880 and I must add on this is where social media 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:17.440 got a lot. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.960 Of defense though on it, which is a bit disturbing. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.040 But on the Facebook page for the health insurance company 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:29.840 United Healthcare, there were thirty five thousand ha has underneath 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.000 the news that this man had been killed, and only 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.600 about two thousand, very sads. So social media, we know 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.760 is a poisoned environment. It's a dangerous That's why we 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.320 need mainstream media. And can I just say, this is 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.000 why the New York Times needs to get intact together. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.839 The New York Times of twenty years ago wouldn't have 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.839 done this. They've gone a long way down the road 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.400 of not understanding what good journalism is anymore. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.559 Yeah, I would have liked one paragraph in there quoting 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.200 someone saying, obviously, this is not the right way about it. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.800 Just I think they missed an opportunity to lower the 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.880 tempo of that article in particular. But moving on another 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.160 week and another insane segment, which went to air on MSNBC. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.320 This time, host Joy Read linked opposition to the affirmative 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.720 care approach to child trans procedures to Nazi Germany. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.920 Targeting trans people isn't new. It is an age old 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.760 tradition which Nazi Germany did with brutally violent ends in 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.800 the nineteen thirties. While the Supreme Court refuses to do 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.680 anything about weapons of war in school today, they seemed 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.880 inclined to uphold Tennessee's ban on gender affirming care for minors, 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.359 while the decision is not expected for months. A majority 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.560 of the justices parroted a string of debunked talking points, 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.440 all under the guise of protecting the kids, just not 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:42.320 every kid. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.880 Well, Oliver, let's bring you in. This is a really 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.800 interesting argument about affirmative care, and I think it's a 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.760 really good argument to have. And I'll note that in 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:56.440 the UK the Tavistock issue involved in actually being shut 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.200 down and massive, massive which draws on it. I know 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.320 that in Australia even people like Paul Barry have been 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.040 talking about the dangers of this more affirmative care approach. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.280 But you've got a mainstream network over in the US 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:14.600 which is likening opposition to that affirmative care approach to Nazism. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.640 I think that I think that these people have kind 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:18.400 of lost the plot. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.000 Yeah, it's sort. 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:22.600 Of the theme at the moment, isn't it, Jack, And 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.640 I don't mean to really lighten that up, But ultimately, 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.680 if you can't mount your argument, and you can't get 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.920 any cut through in a sensible conversation and obviously trying 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.880 to present your facts and try to have a balanced debate, 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.480 to then stoop to that sort of below exactly, you've 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.920 lost the plot. You've lost the argument because that's sort 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.520 of a sudden what people are going to go hold 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:47.880 on a moment. I will have a look at that 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.000 and then how we ended up in this situation. It 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:56.800 does not do the activist's role. It doesn't progress the 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.200 activist's role in what they're trying to do, which is 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.720 ultimately bringing about change, and that's what they want to do, 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.640 and that's what we know has been done for generations. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.360 But in this example, Jack, you just you lose the argument. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.920 And I don't know why in this environment as well, 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:16.560 MSNBC would want to actually join those dots together or 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.400 try and mount that case. It just it goes to 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:20.760 the core of its credibility. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.680 Yeah, which is the plot. Yeah, it's so extreme, and 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:26.760 obviously it's good, it's good to have debates. I just 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.200 I think that is one particular thing where I mean, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.320 it's it's a symptom of a left right where they 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.560 everything's Nazism and everything means this threshold. So then you've 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.240 kind of you've lost it for situations where there is 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.120 that real extreme. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.400 Is exactly in fact, what Joey Reid did was to 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:46.360 break Carson's law. Carson is an American lawyer and blogger 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.840 Carson's law says the first person to cite the Nazis 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.360 in a debate loses the debate. Right, that's a great 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.960 law because it exposes how weak what they're saying is. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.440 And she hadn't actually paid attention to what the Supreme 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.880 Court is doing. Justice and Leader question Biden's solicitor general, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.880 who's putting up a case. She put up a case 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.160 saying there's no dispute. This is really safe. Everyone knows that, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.040 and so he cided the case the Cash file. A 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.480 doctor Hillary Cash has just produced a major report in 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.560 Britain in which he said there were all these child 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.760 psychologist who are really worried there are lifelong implications from 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:19.840 puberty blocker. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.480 Drugs and they can't consent. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.080 And Alida said to the person bringing the case on 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.080 behalf of Biden, do you want to reconsider your presentation 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.960 to the court, And she said no, Now that's what's 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.160 actually happening in the court. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:33.919 Joy Reid has missed all of that. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.600 Yeah, yeah, well said, well, we're going to take a 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.359 quick break, but when we return, we're going to have 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.920 a look at the Prime Minister and his latest assault 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:47.800 on journalism. Welcome back now to a feud between Prime 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:52.320 Minister Anthony Albanezi and his Environment Minister Tanya Pliversek and 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.679 how the PM turned his anger towards the media for 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.159 accurately reporting about it. It all related to a draft 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.159 agreement between the PM's government and the Greens over the 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:06.240 establishment of a new environmental protection agency, but on the ABC, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.720 the Prime Minister was denying that the draft agreement even existed. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:11.720 There is a. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.680 Draft agreement though, and a letter to you that says 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.240 draft agreement on the top and spells out what that No, 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.760 there's not that. Well I've seen that the draft letter 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.879 from her, a draft agreement from Tanya Plibersek to the 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.120 Greens laying out the amen. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:29.840 Well, there's no draft agreement to me, and what we did. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.720 Was make sure is saying that letter doesn't exist. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.040 Well, no letter to me exists. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.919 I was negotiating across the parliament and that's how you 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:39.480 have to do it. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.040 The Greens were of the view that you had agreed 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:42.800 to this, but then. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.600 Hours later, no, they weren't. David, I don't accept that. 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:47.199 That's what they've told me. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.040 Well, I don't accept that. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.639 David Spears is a good journalist. If he says on 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.880 national television that he has seen the actual piece of paper, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.040 then either Albanezi does not know what's going on in 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.600 his own government or he has lied yet again. And 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.960 in the same interview, Alberzi also struggled to explain why 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.200 his environment minister appeared to be cut out of negotiations 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:10.360 at the last minute. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.480 It was you, Adamband, Sarah Hanson Young, but not Kady 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.800 Gallaher Okay, but not Tenua Plibusk the minister. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.159 Why not because we had forty five pieces of legislation 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:25.960 David forty five across the economy, bets affairs, social policy, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:27.160 housing policy. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:28.480 That's what has to. 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:29.640 Happen, was Sarah Hanson Young? 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.560 There wasn't it general meeting about. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.960 Also, because he's the Senate leader for the Greens. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.320 Politicians have tension all the time, even within their own parties, 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.520 so I wouldn't normally make a big point of it, 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.240 except for the fact that Alberzi tried to play the 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:48.159 misinformation card yet again. Here he is on ABC radio 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.000 saying that it was extraordinary that the media was focusing 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:53.159 on reports of a feud. 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.520 How are things between you and Chenia plibusc Now though, 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.320 because there's still confusion from some over what happened here 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.520 and talk of it in eternal feud, can you pategorically deny. 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:08.119 That, Absolutely, there's still some It's extraordinary that the media 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.560 want to concentrate on what didn't happen as opposed to 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:11.359 what did happen. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.679 The Sydney Morning Herald has been running articles saying that 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.399 Albanezy threw Plibasek under the bus over this issue. So 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:22.040 you have journalists from the ABC, from here at Sky News, 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.360