Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening, Massive show. Tonight, Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: joins me for a one on one interview where he.
Speaker 3: Hits out at the hostile press pack.
Speaker 2: Covering his campaign. He calls them biased activists, not journalists.
Speaker 2: He also gives insight into what his polls are telling
Speaker 2: him about who will win the election. My interview with
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton coming up in a moment. Also tonight, bombshell
Speaker 2: revelations that the Albanezy government knew well before this campaign
Speaker 2: started that Russia made military requests to Indonesia and Australia's
Speaker 2: triple A credit rating under threat from Labour's big spending agenda.
Speaker 2: Shutter treasurer Angus Taylor will be on live pass the
Speaker 2: debate over Welcome to Country ceremonies heats up four days
Speaker 2: until the election. These are the big issues unfolding now.
Speaker 2: I told you this would be a big week on
Speaker 2: the show, so right before the election and tonight alone,
Speaker 2: we've got Peter Dutton and Angus Taylor Duarton interview first
Speaker 2: this half hour, but first tonight, the Prime Minister who
Speaker 2: finds a television show terrifying yet refuses to confront the
Speaker 2: real and growing threat of adversaries like China and Russia
Speaker 2: on our doorstep. Today, these bombshell revelations that the Albanesi
Speaker 2: government knew well before the campaign started about a Russian
Speaker 2: request to use Indonesian airfields for long range military aircraft. Now,
Speaker 2: the Albanesi government was made aware of the request after
Speaker 2: a February meeting between the Indonesian Defense Minister and senior
Speaker 2: officials from Moscow. This is in Dennis Shanahan's exclusive front
Speaker 2: page report today. Now, this was no rumor, no speculation,
Speaker 2: certainly not propaganda as Albanzi claimed it was. This was
Speaker 2: hard in intelligence and it demanded a serious and thoughtful
Speaker 2: response from the Prime Minister to the Australian public. But
Speaker 2: instead Labour try to present this information as fake news
Speaker 2: despite knowing about the official request.
Speaker 4: And the coalition will try to raise a range of
Speaker 4: other issues. They raise issues about briefings on waiting for
Speaker 4: them to ask for a briefing on who faked the
Speaker 4: moon landing. The truth is that the Indonesian president made
Speaker 4: no statement. The alternative Prime Minister of Australia verbaled the
Speaker 4: Indonesian president.
Speaker 5: This is a complete smoke screen. To be frank, what
Speaker 5: the opposition of trying to do with this whole issue
Speaker 5: about whether or not there is a briefing is to
Speaker 5: find some kind of excuse for what Peter Dutton did
Speaker 5: last week.
Speaker 6: Wouldn't it be an act of good faith to just
Speaker 6: give them a briefing on it?
Speaker 7: Andrew, the opposition is asking for a briefing on something
Speaker 7: that doesn't exist. I mean they might as well ask
Speaker 7: for a briefing on the Lockness monster. This is something
Speaker 7: that doesn't exist, that they fabricated.
Speaker 2: Fabricated propaganda Murray Watts, as you heard there comparing.
Speaker 3: It to the Lockness Monster. Well, while Labor was making jokes,
Speaker 3: Russia was making moves.
Speaker 2: Now, Peter Dutton is a former defense minister who understands
Speaker 2: the reality of what it would mean if Russia had
Speaker 2: long range missiles just one thousand, three hundred kilometers from
Speaker 2: our mainland. Yet when he raised the alarm, the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister mocked him, attacked him, and claimed his remarks made
Speaker 2: him unfit to be prime minister.
Speaker 3: Well, no, Alban easy. What makes a leader unfit is
Speaker 3: ignoring such threats. What makes a leader.
Speaker 2: Unfit is belittling national security to prot affect political skin. Now,
Speaker 2: the truth is clear for anyone to see a stronger
Speaker 2: Russian military presence just north of Australia would pose a direct,
Speaker 2: immediate threat to our sovereignty, our security, and potentially to
Speaker 2: the safety of every Australian family. But Albanezi chose to
Speaker 2: trivialize it. He deflected, he chose weakness over vigilance. This
Speaker 2: is a prime minister who is not across the detail.
Speaker 2: He's out of his depth on the international stage, and
Speaker 2: at a time when the world is becoming more dangerous,
Speaker 2: he just doesn't take this issue seriously enough. And so
Speaker 2: today while threats gather at our doorstep, Albanezi stood before
Speaker 2: the media promoting a television series, a TV series called
Speaker 2: Adolescence yep that he said, this was frightening.
Speaker 4: I encourage anyone to have a look at it. It's scary.
Speaker 4: It's scary that these parents depicted not knowing what their
Speaker 4: young son, who they love, has engaged in. And there's
Speaker 4: a scene towards the end there where the father, who's
Speaker 4: brilliant helped write the show, says, we thought he was safe,
Speaker 4: he was in his bedroom, we thought he was safe. Well,
Speaker 4: it's had tragic impact for him, but a worse impact
Speaker 4: for his victim, and so this is something we need
Speaker 4: to have conversations about.
Speaker 3: He's talking about fiction there. Fiction.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know how he had time to binge
Speaker 2: watch a fictional TV series during an election campaign. I
Speaker 2: certainly and he's the Prime Minister campaigning. But let's put
Speaker 2: that to one side for the moment.
Speaker 3: Now. Compare his response when he was asked.
Speaker 2: About a fictional TV show to his response about the
Speaker 2: revelations that his government knew about the request from Russia
Speaker 2: to Indonesia back in February. In March, were you told
Speaker 2: about the Russian request for air base success in Indonesia? O?
Speaker 4: Look, I don't go through again. I refer to my
Speaker 4: previous answer. What adults do on intelligence is receive them
Speaker 4: and not do it conduct it through the media.
Speaker 3: What we know I spoke about the importance of transparencies.
Speaker 4: What we know is I'm sorry, but adults, adults when
Speaker 4: it comes to intelligence, act like adults.
Speaker 2: So we can see clearly the Prime Minister appears more
Speaker 2: concerned about a fictional TV series than actual national security.
Speaker 3: A scripted fictional.
Speaker 2: TV drama, not Russia, not China, a TV drama. And
Speaker 2: then last night he couldn't even bring himself to say that, yes,
Speaker 2: China is the greatest threat to our national security.
Speaker 8: Should we be worried about China though it does China
Speaker 8: pose the biggest risk to our national security?
Speaker 4: Well, China seeks is the major power in the region
Speaker 4: which is seeking to increase its influence.
Speaker 1: Dub name China.
Speaker 4: You didn't, no, no, I said, China is the biggest country.
Speaker 4: Is the country that that seeks influence in the region
Speaker 4: to extend, and that is what we are doing. Well,
Speaker 4: I'm the prime minister of a country and how you
Speaker 4: deal as prime minister is diplomatically.
Speaker 3: And it reminds you of Sam Destillari, doesn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's his response.
Speaker 2: As a Chinese warship conducted live fire exercises off the
Speaker 2: coast of the Tasman Sea for the first time since
Speaker 2: the Second World War, and as a Chinese spyship circumnavigated
Speaker 2: our southern coastline, yep Albin Easy speaks with emotion about
Speaker 2: fictional tragedies while appearing alarmingly unconcerned about the real world
Speaker 2: dangers unfolding right before our eyes. At a time when
Speaker 2: Australia needs a leader with clarity, conviction and courage, we
Speaker 2: have one obsessed with television programs and stage managed soundbites.
Speaker 3: It's not just embarrassing, it's dangerous.
Speaker 2: Our adversaries are watching what he says, and what they
Speaker 2: see is weakness. They see a leader who won't even
Speaker 2: acknowledge a threat or call it a threat, let alone
Speaker 2: prepare for it by increasing defense spending. And history tells
Speaker 2: us one thing, it's that weakness invites aggression. Well, God
Speaker 2: help us all now. The Welcome to Country has become
Speaker 2: a flash point in the election campaign, and Peter Duarton
Speaker 2: is making the case that it's completely overdone, while Alban
Speaker 2: Easy rejects this suggestion for the.
Speaker 9: Start of every meeting at work or the start of
Speaker 9: a football game. I think a lot of Austrains think
Speaker 9: it's overdone and it cheapens the significance of what it
Speaker 9: was meant to do. We want to make sure that
Speaker 9: we can respect to strains, but not diminish the significance
Speaker 9: of a welcome to country, which I think is taking place.
Speaker 4: It's up to people to determine whether they have a
Speaker 4: welcome to country or not, but from my perspective, from
Speaker 4: my perspective for major events, it is of course a
Speaker 4: sign of respect.
Speaker 2: Now Dartin is suggesting that the welcome to country ceremony
Speaker 2: still be conducted at important and significant events like the
Speaker 2: opening of Parliament, just not overdone into nambagin for Price
Speaker 2: as back dutton In, along with Jane Hume and others.
Speaker 2: In fact, just Enterprice has been making this argument consistently
Speaker 2: since the Voice referendum.
Speaker 10: We've got to do more in that space as opposed
Speaker 10: to dividing our country and I want our kids to
Speaker 10: be proud to call themselves Australian and not feel bad
Speaker 10: in any way for feeling a sense of pride in
Speaker 10: our country.
Speaker 11: I think the issue though, is when they're become performative,
Speaker 11: when they occur before every sporting.
Speaker 1: Event or.
Speaker 11: Every meeting and in an office, it does become a
Speaker 11: little bit ridiculous.
Speaker 12: I think what Peter said last night in the in
Speaker 12: the Leader's debate is right. It's been overdone and I
Speaker 12: think it also can be very divisive at times as well,
Speaker 12: because ultimately we're all Australians.
Speaker 2: So what started as a respectful acknowledgment to country and
Speaker 2: to elders past has now been taken to absurd extremes.
Speaker 2: Many preschoolers parrot to welcome to country daily, yet they're
Speaker 2: too young to have any understanding of what they're saying.
Speaker 2: And Australian officials at climate conferences in Europe have acknowledged
Speaker 2: the owners of the land on which they stand when
Speaker 2: they are literally thousands of kilometers away.
Speaker 13: My name is Claire Anderson. I'm the group director of
Speaker 13: Sustainability Performance at Walley and I'm very delighted to be
Speaker 13: here today and to start, I might whilst we're not
Speaker 13: on Australian lands, I'd still like to start with acknowledging
Speaker 13: the traditional owners of Australia and the Torrest Trade Islands
Speaker 13: and pay my respects to their eldest past president and emerging.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, that truly is absurd.
Speaker 2: It's insulting to our intelligence. There's a difference between honoring
Speaker 2: and respecting the past and being made to feel like
Speaker 2: you're a trespasser in your own country. Because that's precisely
Speaker 2: the message the Greens and other radical activists are pushing
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 3: They say they're living on.
Speaker 2: Stolen, unseated land. And one of the most dangerous consequences
Speaker 2: of this message that really hasn't been discussed, and it's
Speaker 2: reinforced by overdoing the welcome to countries is that it
Speaker 2: erodes patriotism, that vital sense of loyalty to Australia and
Speaker 2: if you don't feel like you belong on this land,
Speaker 2: that it's stolen, then you're not going to risk your
Speaker 2: life to fight for the country. Now, on Thursday night,
Speaker 2: we discussed this new research that shows that only sixteen
Speaker 2: percent of gen Z said they defend our nation that
Speaker 2: they go to fight if there was a war. Now,
Speaker 2: this is a huge problem, as Liberal MP Keith Wallahan
Speaker 2: spoke about on the.
Speaker 3: Show disturbs me.
Speaker 14: Is the trend When this survey was last done, the
Speaker 14: numbers that were willing to serve were higher, So the
Speaker 14: trend is down. At the heart of that is a confusion,
Speaker 14: a confusion and institutions about ugly nationalism which no one likes.
Speaker 14: Millions of people have died from that. But healthy patriotism
Speaker 14: and we need to lean into healthy patriotism.
Speaker 3: And it makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, why would you risk your life for a
Speaker 2: land that you are constantly told you don't belong to
Speaker 2: and you're reminded of this every day. And this of
Speaker 2: course is also impacted on the Australian flag. Once a
Speaker 2: proud symbol of unity and freedom. The left has smeared
Speaker 2: our flag as a shameful and racist symbol, and many
Speaker 2: Australians are now too embarrassed to even.
Speaker 3: Fly the flag on Australia Day. Now.
Speaker 2: Friends of ours personally on the central coast of New
Speaker 2: South Wales put up the flag at their home on
Speaker 2: Australia Day. They do so every single year, and for
Speaker 2: this they've become.
Speaker 3: A target of local youths who.
Speaker 2: Turn up at their house and harass them at night
Speaker 2: on the Australia Day weekend. It's become so terrifying that
Speaker 2: this year, after the first night of the Australia Day
Speaker 2: long weekend, when they were again targeted by thugs, they
Speaker 2: had to hire private security to stand outside for the
Speaker 2: following nights or because they put up the Australian flag
Speaker 2: with pride. This is the climate of fear for some normal,
Speaker 2: regular Australians that the radical left has created now. Of course,
Speaker 2: the white supremacists who rudely interrupted ANZAC Day ceremonies in
Speaker 2: Melbourne are vile, disrespectful and have no place in our country.
Speaker 3: I wish they didn't live here.
Speaker 2: But overdoing the welcome to country is also creating its
Speaker 2: own kind of division, bringing its own problems of making
Speaker 2: Australians feel unwelcome in their home and therefore less willing
Speaker 2: to stand up and fight for it in a time
Speaker 2: of war, at a time, at an age when our
Speaker 2: adversaries are on the rise, we need more patriotism and
Speaker 2: not less.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I spoke about these issues and much more with Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton a short time ago in Sydney. In our interview,
Speaker 2: he hit out it the hostile and aggressive journalists covering
Speaker 2: the election campaign. He accused them of being biased activists
Speaker 2: and not journalists. He also said the national polls, which
Speaker 2: favor Albanezi, were being used as a tool of campaigning
Speaker 2: by Labor and by the media. And he did say,
Speaker 2: in his words, there's a big disparity between the national
Speaker 2: polls and his internal Liberal Party research. They're tracking in
Speaker 2: key seats, and he says the millions of undecided voters
Speaker 2: will determine the outcome of this election.
Speaker 3: Well, here's our interview from a little earlier. Peter Dutton, thank.
Speaker 1: You so much for your time, pleasure show. Thank you.
Speaker 2: The demonization campaign against you from Labor has been intense.
Speaker 2: From Mediscare, the cost of nuclear even claiming that you're
Speaker 2: going to have overrituallyllion dollars in debt, which their own
Speaker 2: forecasts show. Do you think in future campaigns there should
Speaker 2: be some sort of election integrity Commissioner well Sarry.
Speaker 9: What it says to me is that if the government
Speaker 9: was so proud and so pleased of their last three years,
Speaker 9: if people were better off and this government had delivered
Speaker 9: for them, they'd be talking about that plan. But of
Speaker 9: course they're not, and that's why they're throwing mard, It's
Speaker 9: why they're running the scare campaigns, completely baseless, but people
Speaker 9: will look at it and superficially accept some of the
Speaker 9: claims being made. I just think we need to push
Speaker 9: back and we need to talk about our positive plan.
Speaker 9: But there's such a dishonesty and I've frankly never seen
Speaker 9: a Prime minister capable as Anthony Albenize is of staring
Speaker 9: down the camera and just lying repeatedly without blinking. And
Speaker 9: I think Australians though, sense that, and I do think
Speaker 9: there is a turning of the mood and I've since
Speaker 9: that over the last few days as well as we've
Speaker 9: moved around. As we've moved around the.
Speaker 2: Country, what about some sort of monitor though integrity commissioner,
Speaker 2: or even a truth in advertising for future campaigns, because
Speaker 2: some have argued that the scare campaigns against you are
Speaker 2: even more egregious than they were.
Speaker 3: Against Scott Morrison. You know the number they've done on you.
Speaker 9: I think, look, there can be a time for that debate.
Speaker 9: I think the focus now is on how do we
Speaker 9: win this election and how can we save our country
Speaker 9: from three more years of absolutely terrible government. How can
Speaker 9: we stop the Labor Green's government introducing the tax on
Speaker 9: unrealized capital gains. I don't think people have heard the
Speaker 9: message yet that if you've got shares, or if you've
Speaker 9: got a house and you have an increase in the
Speaker 9: value of those shares of that house, they're going to tax.
Speaker 1: You before you actually sell it.
Speaker 9: So you're going to be paying the tax before you
Speaker 9: actually realize the game. When people realize that the Prime
Speaker 9: Minister promise before the last election that he wouldn't change
Speaker 9: tax arrangements in relation to superannuation, but now will and
Speaker 9: how would you believe him in relation to the commitments
Speaker 9: on negative gearing or taxes around the family home. It's
Speaker 9: just I think is a real sharpening of the focus
Speaker 9: over the next couple of days. And if people look
Speaker 9: at what is on offer, they know that they can't
Speaker 9: afford three more years of Anthony Albanzi, and they know
Speaker 9: that we've got a positive plan to provide assistance now
Speaker 9: to clean up Labour's economic mess.
Speaker 2: Why not go negative against them with your own negative
Speaker 2: campaign on policies like you just mentioned on capital gains tax,
Speaker 2: but also even on medi scal I mean, we've seen
Speaker 2: Labor use your own line against you in their advertising
Speaker 2: that you'll need a credit card as well as the
Speaker 2: Medicare card. That was your line at our Sky News debate.
Speaker 2: Labour's now running ouds on that saying that you'll need
Speaker 2: your credit card under Peter Dutt.
Speaker 9: Well, again, I just hope people can see through the
Speaker 9: dishonesty of it, and for us, we don't need to
Speaker 9: resort to the lives and the trickery and the deceptiveness
Speaker 9: that the Prime Minister's running.
Speaker 1: This campaign in.
Speaker 9: So we'll call out the lives and we'll highlight the
Speaker 9: Labour's agenda in relation to tax. But I think this
Speaker 9: election is about how do we manage the economy. Who
Speaker 9: was best able to manage the economy, who was best
Speaker 9: able to keep us safe and as Austrainds focus on that,
Speaker 9: I believe very strongly they'll decide that that's the coalition.
Speaker 3: You've also faced a very hostile media.
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary to watch the daily press conferences. Albanize has
Speaker 2: often given what we all call Dorothy Dixon's whereas you
Speaker 2: face hostile interrogations.
Speaker 3: From the press pack.
Speaker 2: You've described the Guardian and the ABC as the hate media.
Speaker 2: Do you think that sort of media and others like
Speaker 2: them actually hate mainstream Australian values.
Speaker 9: I just think they're so biased and many of them
Speaker 9: just activists not journalists, that their position becomes counterproductive and
Speaker 9: they're playing to a particular audience to a Green voter.
Speaker 9: And frankly, as the Prime Minister's demonstrated, his whole government
Speaker 9: has been about how do we please the inner city
Speaker 9: Green voter in Sydney and Melbourne.
Speaker 1: That's why he's.
Speaker 9: Taken such a soft stance in relation to anti Semitism.
Speaker 9: It's why he's allowed the preferencing of Labor Green, of
Speaker 9: Green voters, of Green members, rather knowing that they're anti
Speaker 9: Semitic and knowing that they're Jew haters, that's the reality.
Speaker 9: And knowing that their economic policies are going to harm
Speaker 9: people in the suburbs and in regional areas, but try
Speaker 9: and confer some advantage on green voters in Graindler or
Speaker 9: in Sydney.
Speaker 1: I think people see through that, and I think the.
Speaker 9: Left wing media, frankly by polling day I think will
Speaker 9: be counterproductive of what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, on the cost of living issue at the
Speaker 2: debate last night that was overwhelmingly given to alban Easy.
Speaker 2: Do you really think those voters were undecided?
Speaker 3: It didn't seem like it.
Speaker 9: Well, I was a little emotional because there was one
Speaker 9: journalist out of the Cidney Morning Herald that gave it
Speaker 9: to me that said, I the election and it's about.
Speaker 3: The nicest thing election.
Speaker 9: Certainly not the election, but that was unusual. I was
Speaker 9: the kindest thing they've said about me during this campaign.
Speaker 9: So look, I felt good about the election. I think
Speaker 9: sorry about the debate. I felt good about our policy
Speaker 9: that we're putting forward. And yeah, look I think there's
Speaker 9: a long way to go in this campaign.
Speaker 3: On national security.
Speaker 2: I mean, you said a moment ago that this is
Speaker 2: about Australians feeling safe. We saw the revelations today that
Speaker 2: Russia did put in a formal request to Indonesia back
Speaker 2: in February and the Albanese government knew about this yet
Speaker 2: publicly the Prime Minister has described this as a fabrication,
Speaker 2: as Russian propaganda. Other labor ministers have even said that
Speaker 2: if you believe it, it's like believing in the Lockness monster.
Speaker 1: Well, is this a.
Speaker 2: Prime minister who doesn't think the Australian public deserve to
Speaker 2: know about our national security risks?
Speaker 9: I think what a dem streitch is that this prime
Speaker 9: Minister's prepared to lie about anything and those around him,
Speaker 9: Murray Watt and Katie Gallaher and others are prepared to
Speaker 9: go along with this cover up.
Speaker 1: There's been a.
Speaker 9: Boat arrival on the evidence that we've seen. They don't
Speaker 9: comment on it, they don't provide any information in relation
Speaker 9: to it. Australians deserve to know this detail before they vote.
Speaker 9: And if the Prime Minister is being deceptive about our
Speaker 9: national security, what else would you be deceptive about, well,
Speaker 9: most other things, it would seem.
Speaker 2: And again on China last night, he couldn't even say
Speaker 2: that China was Australia's top national security threat. That's just
Speaker 2: an obvious fact. Do you think he's trying to appease
Speaker 2: China here? And this sort of submission towards a hostile dictatorship?
Speaker 3: I mean, is that even an appropriate from a prime minister?
Speaker 1: Sherry.
Speaker 9: What I think it shows is people understand that this
Speaker 9: prime minister is weak. As John Howard has rightly said
Speaker 9: on a number of occasion, people leaves Anthony Elbanezi to
Speaker 9: be out of his depth as Prime minister. And I
Speaker 9: think the deception and the lies are now on full
Speaker 9: display for people to see the character. I also think
Speaker 9: people hark back now to the voice and they remember
Speaker 9: the deception that took place there. The fact that people
Speaker 9: will promise the detail from the voice. The Prime Minister
Speaker 9: this day hasn't provided.
Speaker 1: All of that detail. So there's a lot that is
Speaker 1: at stake at this election.
Speaker 9: And I hope for the sake of our country that
Speaker 9: we can change the government so we can restore integrity,
Speaker 9: that we can manage our economy so that we can
Speaker 9: bring inflation down and deal with the cost of living crisis.
Speaker 9: Deliver the twenty five cent a letter cut in fuel,
Speaker 9: Deliver the twelve hundred dollars tax rebate.
Speaker 1: And keep our country safe.
Speaker 9: And I don't think Anthony Albanezi can look the Australian
Speaker 9: public in the eye and say to them that.
Speaker 1: He's going to deliver cheaper anything.
Speaker 9: I think what is obvious is that the only thing
Speaker 9: he could believe the Prime Minister on is when he
Speaker 9: tells you that the cost of everything's going to continue
Speaker 9: to go.
Speaker 2: I think one of your best policies on the cost
Speaker 2: of living was the idea you mentioned to Hold Kelly
Speaker 2: and Dennis Shanahan about indexation of tax brackets in line
Speaker 2: with inflation. Why not put this forward earlier in the
Speaker 2: campaign and have it a key feature And are you
Speaker 2: serious about this?
Speaker 9: Very very serious about it, because it's a thief in
Speaker 9: the night, and people when they get a pay rise,
Speaker 9: or when they work some overtime, or when they get
Speaker 9: a promotion a work they've moved into the next tax bracket,
Speaker 9: they pay more for more tax just for doing the
Speaker 9: same job. That's unfair and we do need to address it,
Speaker 9: but it comes at a very significant cost. And when
Speaker 9: John Howard and others were introducing tax reform, they identified
Speaker 9: the savings alongside that expenditure. They never promised to reform
Speaker 9: the tax system from opposition.
Speaker 1: They did it when they were in government.
Speaker 3: Do you worried about budget repairs?
Speaker 9: Well, I'm making sure that we do it in a
Speaker 9: responsible way and I'm making sure, as we've said, that
Speaker 9: we can clean up Labour's mess, that we can get
Speaker 9: the budget back to balance and then into ser and
Speaker 9: along that journey we can introduce support for income tax relief.
Speaker 1: Don't forget that when the Prime Minister.
Speaker 9: Talks about stage three of tax cuts, it was a
Speaker 9: coalition government that legislated and implemented stages one and two,
Speaker 9: and legislated stage three and had the ability to work
Speaker 9: out how we were going to pay for it. The
Speaker 9: Prime Minister has claimed all of that as his own,
Speaker 9: but that was a liberal government, a coalition government that
Speaker 9: introduced that tax reform, that tax relief for Austraans.
Speaker 2: Do you think I mean, you've indicated that there is
Speaker 2: a disconnect between the national polls and what you're seeing
Speaker 2: in the internal key seat tracking. Is this still the
Speaker 2: case four days out from election day? And also do
Speaker 2: you think the narrative from the national polls are being
Speaker 2: used as a tool of campaigning by Labor and the media.
Speaker 9: Well, I've got no doubt about the second point in
Speaker 9: relation to the first point. Yes, there's still a big
Speaker 9: disparity between what we're seeing the track polling in marginal
Speaker 9: seats where we've got hard work local members, where there's
Speaker 9: a lot of anger against the government, particularly in outer
Speaker 9: metro and regional areas, and I don't think that's being
Speaker 9: picked up in the national polls. And for many of
Speaker 9: the media companies it's very expensive to do that seat
Speaker 9: by seat polling analysis. The political parties obviously are doing it,
Speaker 9: and it paints a much more positive picture for us
Speaker 9: than what the published polling does. But there's a long
Speaker 9: way to go, many millions of people who are still
Speaker 9: undecided and will make their decision over the course of
Speaker 9: the next few days.
Speaker 2: Do you think this could be a repeat of twenty nineteen?
Speaker 2: Are are you hoping that you can still win well?
Speaker 9: I was speaking to Lucy Wicks today up on the
Speaker 9: Central Coast in Robertson. Now, she's been around politics for
Speaker 9: a long time, she's seen.
Speaker 1: Good and bad elections.
Speaker 9: It's her assessment, as it is frankly of a number
Speaker 9: of other marginal seat members.
Speaker 1: For herm I have a great deal of respect and.
Speaker 9: They've been in different campaigns who say that the sentiment
Speaker 9: on pre polling is much more positive than it was
Speaker 9: at the last election, and it would have to be
Speaker 9: more negative to reflect the polling at the moment. So ultimately,
Speaker 9: people are going to vote on what they believe is
Speaker 9: in their best interests and in our country's best interests.
Speaker 9: I want to make sure that we can keep Austraian safe.
Speaker 9: I want to keep our country safe.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 9: Reduce crime in local communities. I want to make sure
Speaker 9: that we can restore the dream of hime ownership, provide
Speaker 9: immediate relief to taxpayers who are really doing it tough
Speaker 9: at the moment, and also sort out the energy wreck
Speaker 9: that Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanzi have created. That that
Speaker 9: is just destroying the economy as we speak. And I
Speaker 9: don't want the changes around the abolition of negative gearing
Speaker 9: and the tax on unrealized capital gains that Albanzi is
Speaker 9: proposing in this election.
Speaker 2: Just finally, four days to go until wholing day. Many
Speaker 2: of your supporters are worried you can't win.
Speaker 3: I'm part of the Jewish community.
Speaker 2: Many in the Jewish community tell me that they can't
Speaker 2: take another three years under Penny Wang. Tony Burke and
Speaker 2: Anthony Alberinezi that even talk about moving overseas because it
Speaker 2: is so deeply personal and they think it is a
Speaker 2: national security threat for their children at Jewish schools. What's
Speaker 2: your message to those voters and others who are worried
Speaker 2: that you're not going to get there on Saturday.
Speaker 9: Say to those Australians, please keep the faith and please
Speaker 9: continue to spread the word. But say to other Australians
Speaker 9: who are undecided going into the next few days and
Speaker 9: right up until six pm on Saturday night, listen to
Speaker 9: the experience of the Jewish community. Listen to how they
Speaker 9: were treated by this prime minister. Listen to how they
Speaker 9: were sacrificed in the pursuit of political advantage from green
Speaker 9: inclined labor voters. The Jewish community was treated absolutely appallingly
Speaker 9: like nothing I've ever seen in my life, and certainly
Speaker 9: not in my time in politics.
Speaker 1: They were treated.
Speaker 9: With disdain and the abomination that was the anti Semitism
Speaker 9: ricking ball through our national security and social settings in
Speaker 9: this country has been one of the worst examples of
Speaker 9: government that I've ever seen. And the Prime ministers should
Speaker 9: be held to account for that. And if you know
Speaker 9: somebody from the Jewish community or you in disbelief as
Speaker 9: we have been at the treatment of people in the
Speaker 9: Jewish community. This is not the time to reward Anthony
Speaker 9: Albanezi for it. This is the time to hold him
Speaker 9: to account for the way in which he treated Australians
Speaker 9: of Jewish heritage with complete and utter disdain and at
Speaker 9: this election he should pay a price for that.
Speaker 3: Really appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you, Sherry, very much. Thank you.
Speaker 2: So that's Peter Dutton and he still believes he is
Speaker 2: in the game and that this is a competitive election.
Speaker 2: We'll see in a few more days, and don't forget
Speaker 2: you can watch and must watch Peter Dutton right here
Speaker 2: on Sky News and a no holds barred Ask me
Speaker 2: anything with Paul Murray tomorrow night, right after this show
Speaker 2: at nine o'clock. Now, let's return to this issue of
Speaker 2: Russia's involvement with Indonesia and what the government knew and
Speaker 2: when and joining minaw Australian Strategic Policy Institute Senior analyst
Speaker 2: Malcolm Davis.
Speaker 3: Malcolm, great to see you again. Look, is this concerning
Speaker 3: that the.
Speaker 2: Albanezy government knew about this security threat from Russia that
Speaker 2: they wanted more military long raise missiles on Indonesian territory,
Speaker 2: but they kept it from Australians.
Speaker 15: Well, it is concerning, but it's not surprising in the
Speaker 15: sense that the government would not want to talk about
Speaker 15: such a development because it would completely undermine their policy
Speaker 15: of essentially a drift forward in defense spending up to
Speaker 15: around two point three percent by twenty thirty three. If
Speaker 15: you've got Russia deploying long range bombers that are nuclear
Speaker 15: capable a mere thirteen hundred klometers north of Darwin, that
Speaker 15: would really send a strong message that the government does
Speaker 15: need to do a lot more about defense spending. And
Speaker 15: I'm really getting the strong impression of this government doesn't
Speaker 15: really want to do anything about defense beending beyond this steady,
Speaker 15: slow drift upwards to two point three three percent by
Speaker 15: twenty thirty three. That's inadequate, it's not good enough, and
Speaker 15: I think that's the reason why the government really didn't
Speaker 15: want to talk about Russian bombers operating out of Biak Island, and.
Speaker 2: Perhaps why they why the Prime Minister wouldn't even mention
Speaker 2: in the word threat last night when it came to China.
Speaker 2: Yet we have seen very clear aggression from China towards
Speaker 2: our defense personnel. Some have been injured, others at risk
Speaker 2: of a serious collision. Do you think the sort of
Speaker 2: response we've seen from the Prime Minister is adequate?
Speaker 3: Here is this about winning votes?
Speaker 15: Look, I think we need to as a nation, we
Speaker 15: need to understand that Australia is in a pre war period.
Speaker 15: We are in a period leading up to a major
Speaker 15: confrontation in our region, potentially within this decade, between China
Speaker 15: and the United States over Taiwan. And I think that
Speaker 15: the Australian government, the current Australian government, has not done
Speaker 15: enough to prepare the nation for that continuency if it
Speaker 15: should emerge in the next two to three years time.
Speaker 15: And I think that for the government and for the
Speaker 15: Prime Minister to essentially say, look, it's important to have
Speaker 15: balance and it's important to maintain stabilization.
Speaker 3: Can I just pick you up on that.
Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt, Malcolm, but can I just pick you
Speaker 2: up on that. I mean, the thinking has been as
Speaker 2: you say, that China could be making a move in
Speaker 2: Taiwan in the next two to three years.
Speaker 3: That's been around.
Speaker 2: But now there's the question of whether Donald Trump would
Speaker 2: come to Taiwan's defense.
Speaker 3: At all, and even.
Speaker 2: The extent to which the United States would come to
Speaker 2: Australia's aid. I believe America would come to Australia's aid,
Speaker 2: but certainly it's not conclusive that the US would back
Speaker 2: in Taiwan, and so it might allow China's continued rise
Speaker 2: in the region.
Speaker 15: Well, let's look at those two scenarios. I mean, I
Speaker 15: think there are people in the Trump administration that would
Speaker 15: strongly support the US intervening to defend Taiwan. And if
Speaker 15: the US did that, then the US would expect us
Speaker 15: to step up and support the United States and other allies,
Speaker 15: including Japan and the Philippines, and so we would find
Speaker 15: ourselves in a war with China. If, on the other hand,
Speaker 15: you have the scenario where the Trump administration chooses not
Speaker 15: to support Taiwan and basically China is allowed to take
Speaker 15: Taiwan unfettered, then you have an emboldened, aggressive China that
Speaker 15: can start to push further outwards into Asia, including towards
Speaker 15: our direction. And I think I have a scenario is bad,
Speaker 15: but I think the second scenario is worse because you
Speaker 15: don't have that US support.
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Malcolm, and I've got to commend you
Speaker 2: on your fashion choice.
Speaker 3: We're matching in maroon or merlow. You're in the color
Speaker 3: of the season.
Speaker 2: Thanks for your tom Thanks and still to carve Australia's
Speaker 2: triple A credit rating under threat from Labour's big spending agenda.
Speaker 2: Angust Taylor will be on the show live plus. Bronwan
Speaker 2: Bishop gives her prediction on who will win this election
Speaker 2: and by how many seats.
Speaker 3: That's after this quick break. Welcome back, well for our
Speaker 3: election week coverage.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in now former Speaker of the House from
Speaker 2: Bishop and Sky News' host Joe Hildebrand. And it turns
Speaker 2: out this fashion theme is continuing tonight.
Speaker 3: We're all in book run a.
Speaker 8: Unity ticket, Run a unity ticket.
Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction first to my interview
Speaker 2: with Peter Dutton tonight, Bromwen, what did you make of
Speaker 2: his comments, particularly about the hostile press gallery, about Labour's
Speaker 2: smear campaign and the fact that he says internal Liberal
Speaker 2: party polling is so different from what the national polls
Speaker 2: are reflecting.
Speaker 16: Well, I thought he was wrong in what he had
Speaker 16: to say and I have to say on the ground
Speaker 16: where I have been whether it's in West Australia, or
Speaker 16: whether it's in my old seat of mckller, or whether
Speaker 16: it's not other seats, I find a different attitude. For instance,
Speaker 16: on Antack Day, I found a lot of people came
Speaker 16: up to me and wanted to raise the Russian question
Speaker 16: because they did not believe the government and they were
Speaker 16: threatened by it, and they were right, and they were
Speaker 16: right as it turned out to be. So I think
Speaker 16: there are many When I look at the polling results
Speaker 16: and I see one nation on eight percent, I think
Speaker 16: is that because there are certain seats where they're polling
Speaker 16: very high, which then distorts the rest of the primary votes,
Speaker 16: particularly with regard to Liberal So I'm also interested in
Speaker 16: the fact, and you've pointed it out that the Polster
Speaker 16: for News poll is actually the Labor Party's Polster and
Speaker 16: has been since two thousand and as far back as
Speaker 16: twenty and fifteen credited with the strategy for overturning Perite.
Speaker 16: I just wonder how that interaction works would.
Speaker 3: Be so I experiency around.
Speaker 16: That, and I think, as I've said again and again,
Speaker 16: that I think is being used as a tool.
Speaker 2: And Dutton, by the way, I put that to Dutton
Speaker 2: tonight if you heard any immediately said absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 16: And the idea is pump it out there a bit
Speaker 16: like they did with Kamala Harris to try and get
Speaker 16: the money pouring in on a regular basis. Then if
Speaker 16: you say, look, they're going to win, they're going to win,
Speaker 16: get on my bandwork and don't worry about anyone else.
Speaker 16: And it is to me definitely a tool and different
Speaker 16: from what it's been in the.
Speaker 2: Past, because there are some pragmatic millionaires in billionaires who
Speaker 2: wait to see which way the election looks like it's
Speaker 2: going before they decide who to back with their money.
Speaker 8: They're already backing the tials, not all of them.
Speaker 2: But Joe, I want to ask you though about this
Speaker 2: welcome to country, you know push from the coalition. Do
Speaker 2: you think that's a way to energize the base or
Speaker 2: bring back some voters who might have drifted to one
Speaker 2: nation and the other cons.
Speaker 8: Look, I think it will energize the base, but I
Speaker 8: don't think it will bring any undecided voters to the
Speaker 8: coalition's banner. And I also think I think there's a
Speaker 8: really legitimate debate to be had about it, and that
Speaker 8: debate was ongoing. But to sort of pick up on
Speaker 8: the coattails of a bunch of neo Nazis who.
Speaker 1: Boo and hissed misleading.
Speaker 3: But everyone's condemned the neo Nazis, everybody.
Speaker 8: But I don't think you give them it's like saying
Speaker 8: it's like saying after October the seventh, you know, you know, look,
Speaker 8: I don't agree with what hermus did, but they do
Speaker 8: have some points.
Speaker 3: Is not the same at all. Everyone has condemned those
Speaker 3: Neo Nazis said it.
Speaker 8: Was absolutely but I think now I think, in.
Speaker 3: Fact, it was disgusting to what It.
Speaker 8: Was absolutely disgusting to watch, and it was disgraceful, and
Speaker 8: I think to reward it by then sort of saying, oh,
Speaker 8: but they do make a good point. I think that is,
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 16: Disgusting to listen to a veteran express his concerned do
Speaker 16: conflict is listening to for the Labor Party. And now
Speaker 16: you cannot say that a veteran who is offended at
Speaker 16: a service for Antac Day is somehow, in any way,
Speaker 16: shape or form associated with people who are declared nero Nazis.
Speaker 16: Do not say this was the cause of it. There
Speaker 16: is a genuine concern in the community and to try
Speaker 16: and push it off with that spin line is not
Speaker 16: really it lets you down.
Speaker 8: Have you ever heard can I ask honestly, have you
Speaker 8: ever ever heard or seen behavior like that at a
Speaker 8: dawn service ever before?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 16: I haven't.
Speaker 8: And now you've decided at the right time to have
Speaker 8: a debate about the issue that those protesters were pushing.
Speaker 2: But as I said, just Center Price, Just Center Napa,
Speaker 2: Chipper Price has been raising this issue since during the
Speaker 2: voice I mean she's she's continually said that there are
Speaker 2: too many welcome to countries, that it's creating more division
Speaker 2: because it turns people off them well.
Speaker 16: And also there's confusion between welcome to country and acknowledgment
Speaker 16: of country, which is totally different. Now every morning, as
Speaker 16: Speaker of the House, I used to read an acknowledgment
Speaker 16: of country, which was to acknowledge tribes who had been
Speaker 16: in the Canber area as custodians. Custodians is a word
Speaker 16: that doesn't imply ownership.
Speaker 3: It says you.
Speaker 16: Looked after it. And then there's welcome to country and
Speaker 16: taken to extremes by people who that demand rent and
Speaker 16: reparations and sovereignty. Sovereignty is a Western concept developed probably
Speaker 16: in sixteen forty eight with the pretty of Westphalia. You
Speaker 16: can go back to fifteen fifty five if you like.
Speaker 1: But it did not.
Speaker 16: It came to this country with settlement. So there's a
Speaker 16: lot of confusion in the language it's used, which makes
Speaker 16: no sense at all.
Speaker 2: All Right, I want to while we still have a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes left, Joe, get your feeling for where
Speaker 2: this election is headed. How confident is alban easy feeling?
Speaker 2: How many seats does.
Speaker 3: He think he's going to win this election in the eighties?
Speaker 3: Is that what he is?
Speaker 8: I wouldn't think in the eighties now, but I think
Speaker 8: in the highest seventies, I think it will be majority government.
Speaker 8: It's seventy eight now. I think that the seats that
Speaker 8: they lose will probably be offset by a couple of
Speaker 8: seats they could pick up. This Yeah, Brisbane, I think
Speaker 8: they will definitely get. They definitely want to get Griffith.
Speaker 8: They are pretty optimistic about seats like Bullwinkle, stirts of
Speaker 8: possibility in South Australia.
Speaker 4: And I think.
Speaker 8: That the polls show that. I don't think there's any
Speaker 8: reason to cast dis versions on the integrity of the Poles.
Speaker 8: That's not like there are other Roague poles that point
Speaker 8: to a coalition victory. All the poles are saying pretty
Speaker 8: much the same thing. That includes News Pole, that includes
Speaker 8: red Bridge, that includes you, Gav, that includes the tracking
Speaker 8: pole that News Corp Is doing with red Bridge and extent,
Speaker 8: which shows that support for the coalition has gone from
Speaker 8: fifty two percent in February to forty five point five
Speaker 8: percent and that's in the twenty marginal seats, So that
Speaker 8: is not a national pole. That is all in target seats,
Speaker 8: and that is the second week in a row that
Speaker 8: that exact same result has come out, and that is
Speaker 8: a turn around from a fifty two to forty eight
Speaker 8: coalitions way.
Speaker 16: Very interesting when Alberanzi himself said that none of the
Speaker 16: other poles mattered except Newsbowl Labours, which is.
Speaker 8: Label because it's always a minute less get.
Speaker 2: The official predictions from both of you. So, Joe, you're
Speaker 2: predicting labor majority government. Ye can you what about You've
Speaker 2: said high seventies for labor. What about for the Liberal Party?
Speaker 8: Look, it's hard to know. I think, to be honest,
Speaker 8: it's a quick prediction. Maybe they get to sixty sixty.
Speaker 3: You think they pick up three seats.
Speaker 8: Maybe maybe more, maybe more.
Speaker 3: When what about your seat prediction?
Speaker 16: Well, I think if the voters determined and don't come
Speaker 16: by the way, a liar in the lodge, and I
Speaker 16: think Dutton can get up to thirteen seats, so.
Speaker 2: He gets to sixty eight high sixties and Labor down.
Speaker 16: To well could be on the same high sixties.
Speaker 2: So hung parliament scenario there right, Well a week from now,
Speaker 2: will be here what it's all right? And obviously we
Speaker 2: already saw Peter Dutton's response to the national polls the appointment.
Speaker 3: Joe was just saying that Dutton disagrees with it.
Speaker 2: He says they're a tool of campaigning and it's not
Speaker 2: what internal liberal tracking is showing. We will know on
Speaker 2: Saturday Saturday night here on Sky News. I'll be in
Speaker 2: Brisbane by the way with the Dutton HQ. I'll be
Speaker 2: there with Paul Murray. All right, Roman Bishop right now
Speaker 2: still to come. Trump has loomed large in the Australian election,
Speaker 2: but has he had an even bigger impact on candidates?
Speaker 3: Kosher data will join me later.
Speaker 2: Plus the Albereze government risking our triple A credit rating.
Speaker 3: I'll talk about that with Angus Taylor next.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, and let's bring in now Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor. Angus,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time on this final
Speaker 2: week of the election campaign.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the.
Speaker 2: Australian newspapers analysis today of alban Eazy spending compared to
Speaker 2: bill shortens in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6: Well, it's clear that alban EASi has spending huge windfalls
Speaker 6: four hundred billion dollars of revenue windfalls that have come
Speaker 6: in since Labor has come to power, and they're spending
Speaker 6: all of that. And in fact, what we've seen today
Speaker 6: with their costings which have come out ours have come
Speaker 6: out in a couple of days, is that they're continuing
Speaker 6: to spend. And in fact, what we've actually seen is
Speaker 6: a pathway towards one point two trillion dollars of debt.
Speaker 6: The deficits over the next four years, including this year,
Speaker 6: come to one hundred and eighty just short of one
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty billion dollars of spending Shari. And this
Speaker 6: is a Labor party that inherited monthly balance. When they
Speaker 6: came into power, we were seeing balance in the budget.
Speaker 6: They're taking it over a cliff now. S and P
Speaker 6: is telling us the Rating Agency that there's real risks
Speaker 6: now to our ratings. If our rating has dropped from
Speaker 6: triple A, we will see impacts on interest rates in
Speaker 6: this country, impacts on government interest rates, but also interest
Speaker 6: rates for the economy more generally. And that's a very
Speaker 6: dangerous place to be taking Australia. It's why we've opposed
Speaker 6: over three years, pick you up at one hundred million
Speaker 6: dollars of bad labor spending.
Speaker 2: The Credit Agency SMP has wind against big spending, but
Speaker 2: it also had a pretty harsh message for the coalition
Speaker 2: as well on spending.
Speaker 6: You know what's your response to s sure they haven't
Speaker 6: seen that well, I would say, take a look at
Speaker 6: one hundred billion dollars of spending that we are posed,
Speaker 6: both on budget and off budget. One hundred billion dollars
Speaker 6: is spending and these are important decisions that we've made
Speaker 6: along the way. We're not going to build twenty eight
Speaker 6: thousand kilometers of transmission lines like Chris Bowen wants to do,
Speaker 6: criss crossing our beautiful agricultural country across Australia. We don't
Speaker 6: need to do that. In our energy plan, which is
Speaker 6: a lower cost energy plan, we're not going to spend
Speaker 6: money on housing programs that have not delivered a single
Speaker 6: house that Australian family is living in Shari when these
Speaker 6: are programs that make no sense. We're not going to
Speaker 6: go with Chris Bowen's green hydrogen dream that is not
Speaker 6: delivered and won't deliver manufacturing programs where they invest in
Speaker 6: quantum computing companies out of the West Coast of the US,
Speaker 6: and this is not how Australian taxpayers money should be spent.
Speaker 6: You'll see that in our costings. You'll also see lower taxes,
Speaker 6: tax breaks for small businesses to invest. We won't be
Speaker 6: hitting the Australians with a superannuation.
Speaker 3: Tax just on your costings.
Speaker 2: Do you have an earlier time frame for when you
Speaker 2: return the budget to balance?
Speaker 3: Can you tell us what that is?
Speaker 6: Well, what I will say now is that you're going
Speaker 6: to says sneak preview of what you're going to see
Speaker 6: in the costings this week is that it'll be a
Speaker 6: stronger budget position than labors. And we'll also re establish
Speaker 6: the fiscal rules, the rules around the budget that have
Speaker 6: in place since the nineteen nineties but Jim Chalmers threw
Speaker 6: out in his first budget, and of course there'll be
Speaker 6: people watching this tonight, Shari who run businesses, and of
Speaker 6: course everyone's in a household and you have to have
Speaker 6: rules to manage your budget. People understand that it's just
Speaker 6: common sense. Well, Jim charmers throughout the rule book in
Speaker 6: his first budget, and that's why he's losing control. He's
Speaker 6: got no control over his colleagues. If they want to spend,
Speaker 6: they spend. And it's why we're seeing our budget going
Speaker 6: in exactly the wrong direction under a treasurer who's had
Speaker 6: no private sector experience. He's out of his depth and
Speaker 6: he's out of touch, all right.
Speaker 2: I spoke to Peter Darton earlier about the policy of
Speaker 2: having indexation of tax brackets, and he says, in his words,
Speaker 2: he is very serious about this policy, described racket creep.
Speaker 3: As a thief in the night. Are you committed? Are
Speaker 3: you as committed to this policy as he is?
Speaker 6: One hundred percent. I mean, what we've seen under labor
Speaker 6: is a three and a half thousand dollars per person
Speaker 6: increase in the taxes they're paying because of Labour's homegrown inflation.
Speaker 6: That's what we've saent already now that will continue to
Speaker 6: go up in the coming years and the result of
Speaker 6: that is Australians are paying a lot more personal income tax. Now,
Speaker 6: the truth is we've got a budget now that is
Speaker 6: a complete mess. One hundred and eighty billion dollars of
Speaker 6: debits on our way to one point two trillion dollars
Speaker 6: of debt. So we've got to do the hard work
Speaker 6: of fixing it, as liberals do. This is what we
Speaker 6: do when we get into government. And at the same
Speaker 6: time we've got to fix the household budget and make
Speaker 6: sure we've got money to defend the nation and protect
Speaker 6: the nation in the most uncertain times since the Second
Speaker 6: World War. So that's a balance, but we'll be re
Speaker 6: establishing that balance because that balance has been lost under
Speaker 6: a bad labor government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thought of a trillion dollars of debt is
Speaker 2: truly terrifying.
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor, appreciate your time. Thanks so much. Now, don't
Speaker 3: go anywhere.
Speaker 2: How Donald Trump's popularity is faring with Americans and abroad.
Speaker 3: And how is impacting on the Canadian election? Koshergata would
Speaker 3: join me next.
Speaker 2: All right, well, I'm joined now by Sky News contributed
Speaker 2: Koshergada Kosher. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Khney is now reportedly
Speaker 2: looking to be re elected in his own right, despite
Speaker 2: the challenge from Conservative leader Pierre Polyver. I mean, much
Speaker 2: like here, Trump has overshadowed their campaigns. So how is
Speaker 2: the Trump factor playing out in Canada's election.
Speaker 17: Chary, It's been a pretty stunning collapse in terms of
Speaker 17: the polling, where Pierre poliev has had some twenty point
Speaker 17: lead just three months ago and it's sort of flipped
Speaker 17: now where he's four points underwater.
Speaker 14: That's quite remarkable.
Speaker 17: Some of that consolidation is expected to happen always in
Speaker 17: polling is he get closer to the date, But the
Speaker 17: Trump effect is definitely a big part of it. Tariff's
Speaker 17: very familiar story right now, big deal for Canada because
Speaker 17: so much of their economy is reliant on exporting to
Speaker 17: the US, and he didn't seem to really be able
Speaker 17: to harness that message and show enough contrast I think
Speaker 17: from the incumbent party. And then the other thing is
Speaker 17: I think the Trump effect just has created this external
Speaker 17: bogeyman that allows the left wing the Liberal Party to
Speaker 17: point to and deflect away from their own issues where
Speaker 17: they've really not been very popular in recent years under
Speaker 17: the Trudeau years. So it's given them an escape hatch,
Speaker 17: if you will, and that seems to be coming into
Speaker 17: play and it's sort of been a life saver, I
Speaker 17: think for that party and being able to flip around
Speaker 17: the election.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Trump had an historic meeting with Zelenski over the weekend,
Speaker 2: just one on one. They were in Rome for the
Speaker 2: Pope's funeral. What can you tell us about their meeting
Speaker 2: and how it did lead to a boulder response from
Speaker 2: Trump towards proto.
Speaker 17: Yes, it's very interesting. It was reportedly only fifteen minutes.
Speaker 17: I think the iconography and the imagery that's come out
Speaker 17: of it is something that's going to go down in
Speaker 17: the history books because you've got the setting of the
Speaker 17: Vatican and the two men with their different staff sitting
Speaker 17: there and sort of it's a backdrop of peace, if
Speaker 17: you will. It was also interesting that President mccron of
Speaker 17: France was meant to be in the meeting and then
Speaker 17: at the last minute was asked not to be. Reportedly,
Speaker 17: and the empty seat is visible, but it does seem
Speaker 17: like we don't know. They haven't given any specifics, but PRIMEA,
Speaker 17: which has been an issue with Silanskin Trump have been
Speaker 17: at loggerheads about the willingness to how much of a
Speaker 17: concession to give Russia on that matter. It sounds like
Speaker 17: there's been a little bit of headway made in that effect,
Speaker 17: and maybe that's given Trump the right to go back
Speaker 17: in a more aggressive stance to Russia. But I think
Speaker 17: there's a lot of wood to chop left before we
Speaker 17: see how this story ultimately ends.
Speaker 2: Perhaps not having jd vance in that meeting led to
Speaker 2: a better outcome for Ukraine as well, Right, Koshagada, appreciate.
Speaker 3: Your time, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: All right, make sure you tune in tomorrow night at
Speaker 2: eight o'clock. Big shows every night this week before the
Speaker 2: election on Saturday. But right now, stay tuned because Paul
Speaker 2: Murray is up right now