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Speaker 1: Philip at Billett. Welcome to the Heartiness Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm very glad

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 3: Here, and we are talking about a subject that is

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Speaker 3: really important actually because part of my PhD I was

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Speaker 3: researching around burnout and about half of people in Australian,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand and Singapore, UK, United States, roughly half across

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Speaker 3: all of those our feeling symptoms of burnout, and about

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Speaker 3: ninety percent are saying that it's getting worse. So this

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Speaker 3: is a big expanding problem. You have written a book

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Speaker 3: called Ending Body Burnout, Why Body Burnout?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm a functional medicine practitioner along with other modalities,

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Speaker 4: but we use the term body burnout because when burnout

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Speaker 4: has been happening for too long, it's not just it's

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Speaker 4: not just in the mind.

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Speaker 2: At some point it starts off.

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Speaker 4: There if you're working a lot, or there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of chronic stress. But when that has been going on

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Speaker 4: for too long, your body systems literally start burning out

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Speaker 4: as well. So in functional medicine we're looking at what

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Speaker 4: body systems are burnt out, what are imbalanced and Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so essentially that's where that term comes from.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool and so let's do a little dive before

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Speaker 3: we get into a boat, which are when you talk body,

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Speaker 3: do you mean you incorporating the Brillan here as well?

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about lou the neck?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: Everything?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, So we're talking about the whole thing, but

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Speaker 3: the physical body, not just the thoughts and and things

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Speaker 3: like that, they actual physical manifestation of it, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the three.

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Speaker 4: Main symptoms that often show up when someone's in deeper

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Speaker 4: depths of body burnout energy issues, definitely, mood issues, so

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Speaker 4: there's still mental emotional component to it, and gotten inflammatory

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Speaker 4: issues and that's usually when you know that those body

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Speaker 4: systems really burnt out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cool. And so why did you write the book?

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Speaker 1: What inspired you to getting into it in the first class?

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Speaker 4: It was my journey first, So after I had Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I had body burnout three times, like three pretty big

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Speaker 4: episodes where I had a lot of chronic health issues,

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Speaker 4: and all started after my daughter, I had my first baby,

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Speaker 4: so she's now thirteen.

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Speaker 2: And after I had her it.

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Speaker 4: Was quite a traumatic birth. So even previous before that,

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Speaker 4: I'd been doing a peer at a very young age,

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Speaker 4: and I was that classic overachiever, addictive doer, perfectionist. So

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Speaker 4: I was already creating all these burnout patterns inside my system.

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Speaker 4: But after I had my baby, my body literally just

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Speaker 4: burnt out. Yeah, and every month, instead of me bouncing

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Speaker 4: back as some women do when they have babies, I

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Speaker 4: was accumulating more and more and more health symptoms and

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Speaker 4: just got stuck in the medical system, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: my bloods will come back fine. Sometimes my thorroad was

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Speaker 4: a little bit out, but not enough to be a

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Speaker 4: diagnosed disease. And so then I started looking into nutrition

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Speaker 4: and into the body systems, and then later on into

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Speaker 4: what we call the metaphysical parts of us, so the

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Speaker 4: unconscious mind, the neural pathways, the mental emotional component that

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Speaker 4: really caused the body burnout in myself in the first place.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting combination, right, being a highly driven perfectionist,

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Speaker 3: because perfectionists are more prone to burnout yep, because it's

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Speaker 3: just nothing's ever good enough and it has to be

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Speaker 3: more and more and more and more more. B And

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Speaker 3: that I think in conjunction with being driven, because you know,

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Speaker 3: some people can be perfections about certain things, but when

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Speaker 3: you're driven and perfectionistic, Oh, and then you're taking on

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Speaker 3: a pH D as well, and.

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Speaker 2: Then syndrome as well. I'm like, I'm too young to

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Speaker 2: be here and I'm teaching people.

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Speaker 1: So all of that stuff is bad enough.

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Speaker 3: And then you go through the stress of pregnancy, because

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Speaker 3: pregnancy is ludicrously stressful in the body. You know, women's

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Speaker 3: brains shrink in pregnancy. I think if women knew what

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Speaker 3: was what they were in for, freaking half of them

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Speaker 3: just wouldn't because it's just essentially and look, I've got

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Speaker 3: two kids and they're awesome, but they started off life

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Speaker 3: have pretty bad impacts. And it's interesting because I've done

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Speaker 3: brain in burnout, in what they call clinical burnout, so

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Speaker 3: and the real of researchers, we'll talk about clinical and

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Speaker 3: non clinical burnout. And clinical is where you actually see

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Speaker 3: the brain becomes wired differently. There's loss of functional connectivity,

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Speaker 3: particularly in the frontal lobes. There's the amygdala gets bigger

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Speaker 3: and becomes more sensitive. There's just you know, there's a

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Speaker 3: And then you throw in pregnancy on that and women's

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Speaker 3: brain shrinking basically because they're getting stripped of Nutrientsjee, it's

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Speaker 3: no surprise you ended up in as a basket case, and.

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Speaker 4: That is breastfeeding as well, so bleaching of nutrients. Yes,

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Speaker 4: it's interesting you say that though. So I remember when

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Speaker 4: we were trying to fell pregnant, I was also chucking

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Speaker 4: over exercising. Again, it was a perfectionism over achieving patternher

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Speaker 4: It's like, I can do twenty pull ups?

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Speaker 2: Can any other woman do twenty pull ups? I'm sure

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Speaker 4: And I remember when we fell pregnant with our first baby.

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Speaker 4: Pregnant, it was probably about four weeks into the pregnancy,

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Speaker 4: my body just it felt very depleted. It was almost

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Speaker 4: like I was trying to do a little two kilometer

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Speaker 4: I felt like lead and I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 4: there was lots going on, but definitely a dream or

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Speaker 4: fatigue was part of that as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. So how long did it tick

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Speaker 1: you to get up?

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Speaker 3: I often talked about a vortex when it comes to bonot,

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Speaker 3: and I use the analogy of a woolpool, because the

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Speaker 3: lower dome you get, the stronger the dome would pool

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Speaker 3: actually becomes.

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Speaker 1: And when you're in bonot, it's just right down there.

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Speaker 3: How long did it tick you to get out of

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe ten years?

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Speaker 1: Oh Jesus.

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Speaker 4: So this is this is where the three burnouts came

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Speaker 4: into it. And I guess it makes the components of

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Speaker 4: my book because when I first when my daughter turned one,

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Speaker 4: time I literally felt like an eighty year old. I

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Speaker 4: pick up my baby, and read this book that you

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Speaker 4: could heal your body with good food, that you could

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Speaker 4: prevent disease with clean, nutritious foods. So my initial step

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Speaker 4: into healing myself and into natural medicine was through nutrition.

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Speaker 2: Started fermenting foods and sprouting.

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Speaker 3: I was supposed to ask, did you get did you

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Speaker 3: get perfectionistic of boat you?

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Speaker 4: Well, so this is why I'm getting out of burnout

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Speaker 4: took ten years because I was like one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Luckily, I stripped back exercise, so that was.

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Speaker 4: Beneficial, but look it did, it definitely supported my body

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Speaker 4: and I felt well enough another year later that I

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Speaker 2: So I had baby number two.

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Speaker 4: And this time I'm like, things are going to be

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Speaker 4: so much better because I'm eating healthy, I'm not exercising

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, you know, I'm so healthy this time,

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Speaker 4: and at the two week mark, I'm like, ready to

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Speaker 2: And so all those.

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Speaker 4: Deeper patterns were still there and I couldn't out eat

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Speaker 4: those deeper patterns, and so then all the symptoms came

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Speaker 4: but it was almost like I had to wrap myself

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Speaker 4: a lot of histamine sensitivities as well, so if I

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Speaker 4: I definitely wasn't hardy back then. Or if I only

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Speaker 4: And then things really boiled again in COVID so twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: all the symptoms came raging back, including insomnia, which I'd

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Speaker 2: Before, and that was the worst.

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Speaker 4: And that's where I realized that by this time my

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Speaker 4: that overdoing, which really was just coming from a fear

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Speaker 2: And incapable and being found out by other people.

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Speaker 1: And did juon cover were that?

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Speaker 3: Because often this shit comes from childhood stuff, right, Did

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Speaker 2: I pulled up every single rock.

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Speaker 4: And it was interesting because I had a like what

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Speaker 4: I thought was a normal, happy childhood.

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Speaker 4: I was very safe and loved, but looking back, I

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Speaker 4: It around using my voice, and it started off with

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Speaker 4: memorized a little talk, so I think the talk was

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Speaker 4: read it. And then the moment that I had the

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Speaker 4: shut down my systems like fight flight. Actually I was freeze,

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Speaker 2: Crying was so humiliate.

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Speaker 4: And then I sat on the stage as every other

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Speaker 4: little kid came up and did their talk perfectly. And

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Speaker 4: then that's where I started thinking, like, what's wrong with me?

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Speaker 4: I'm not like the other kids? How can they do

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Speaker 4: of reoccurring events with a similar sort of feel that, yeah,

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Speaker 4: over time cemented a deep belief that I was incapable

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Speaker 2: So then I had to try harder.

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Speaker 1: To try to prove that you weren't.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Isn't an interesting I often say that we are. Everybody

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Speaker 3: me included is living a personalized hallucination of reality. And

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Speaker 3: stress hormones. Forget about fucking optimal functioning right now. I

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Speaker 3: need those nutrients from over here. And I think this

444
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Speaker 3: really is billions why people have those cognitive symptoms, those

445
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Speaker 3: mood symptoms, because, as you rightly said earlier on, if

446
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Speaker 3: you're not producing urotransmitters, fucking good luck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it becomes a bit of a double edged

449
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Speaker 4: sword too, because a lot of people who are then exhausted,

450
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Speaker 4: not thinking straight, overwhelmed, pulling on convenient foods or foods

451
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Speaker 4: yeah like pep up their energy, Like caffeine, which is

452
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 4: a diuretic, so it can pull more stuff out of

453
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: you rather than put into you.

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Speaker 3: And caffeine is just exogenous adrenaline essentially. I mean that's

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Speaker 3: why people drink coffee, you know, That's why they feel good,

456
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Speaker 3: to get a boost of energy from the adrenaline. And

457
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Speaker 3: I always say to people, you're borrowing from the adrenaline bank,

458
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Speaker 3: and the interest rates of the adrenaline bank are fucking crippling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: When we're testing for the brain and the adrenals, it

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Speaker 4: is like a very strict no caffeine. Yeah, it will

463
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Speaker 4: mimic what you're what he's trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So what other things you sorry because I

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Speaker 1: took us on a little deep dive there. So do

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Speaker 1: you are you testing?

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Speaker 3: Are you looking at cortisol profiles as well? DHA the

468
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: balance yeah, okay, yeah, yes, yeah, and that DTA cordisole

469
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Speaker 3: ratio presumably.

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Speaker 2: Yeap the HPA access.

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Speaker 4: So that's like how well is your brain sending the

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Speaker 4: signals down to the adrenals to not only produce cortisol,

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Speaker 4: but the more important hormone when you're looking at the

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Speaker 4: health of your adrenals is DHA. So that's the one

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Speaker 4: that's balancing cortisol back into balance, and it's often the

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Speaker 4: one that depletes first, and then cortisole's left going crazy

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Speaker 4: and essentially your system gets stuck in fight flight freeze

478
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Speaker 4: when that happens.

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Speaker 1: And if you get little DTA, good luck producing tetoster

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Speaker 1: exactly an estrogen an esrogen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, dCas have super important horrimble.

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Speaker 1: And do you look.

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Speaker 3: And the reason I'm asking this question because my little guy,

484
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Speaker 3: Oscar had ended up with Cushing's disease from a tumor

485
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Speaker 3: on the petuitary. So when they tested his first of all,

486
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Speaker 3: they looked at his midnight salivary cortisol and it was

487
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Speaker 3: through the fucking roof, right, And then they did a

488
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Speaker 3: twenty four hour urine analysis of cortisol and he had

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Speaker 3: sixteen times the upper limit of cortisol being produced in

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Speaker 3: his body every day because of the tumor. Right, But

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Speaker 3: this is what happens at a lower and fucking hell,

492
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Speaker 3: I saw the impact of that, like I saw this happy,

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Speaker 3: go lucky little kid who everything was going well for

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Speaker 3: and within I reckon, less than two months, he spiraled

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Speaker 3: into this deep, dark depression and he had no idea

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Speaker 3: what was going on on. He says, I don't know

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Speaker 3: what's happening. I just don't feel like a kid anymore.

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Speaker 3: And that I mean I knew it for a bit

499
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Speaker 3: about court as all, but Jesus Christ that brought it

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Speaker 3: home to me. And he started getting the moon fiercet

501
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Speaker 3: putting on and he's putting on weir, and this is

502
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Speaker 3: what happens. You get your body catabolizes your muscles, you

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Speaker 3: put on we it, you get a moon fierce, you

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Speaker 3: get a drags hump, like Jesus, hypercordas all emia.

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Speaker 1: Fucking hell, that's bad juju. Now Cushing's is obviously the

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Speaker 1: extreme of that, but it happens.

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Speaker 3: You know, hypercordas omia is happening in Bernard and so interesting,

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Speaker 3: So you test.

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Speaker 1: That what other things are testing? So how do you

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Speaker 1: test for mitochondria and function?

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Speaker 3: Because that's interesting because I'm all over the the mitochondria

512
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Speaker 3: are so important, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So we're looking at it via urine as well,

514
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: and we're looking at the different nutrients and the metabolites

515
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: that are produced or needed through the citric acid cycle

516
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 4: that then products yeah, the energy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So we're looking at seeing is there enough

518
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Speaker 3: to say that your mitochondria is functioning well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and if there's nutritional deficiencies that are blocking

520
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 4: your ability to take fats, carbs or proteins and it

521
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 4: kind of looks at those macro nutrients separately as well.

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Speaker 4: Then yeah, the markers will show up high, but there's

523
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Speaker 4: also a pattern that can show up. If a lot

524
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Speaker 4: of your mitochondria markers are low, then it actually means

525
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 4: the cells have become damaged, which often happens with things

526
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 4: like glandular fever, longhol, covid.

527
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Speaker 2: Toxins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the mitochondria are becoming very

529
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Speaker 3: implicated in long covid and friberma, all of those different things.

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Speaker 3: So then what say, somebody's coming back low, and what

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Speaker 3: do you do with them or if they're coming back

532
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: with a particular stress from the body systems, and what's

533
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Speaker 3: your approach in this holistic good to hear that, Yes.

534
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Speaker 4: I mean like back in the day when I thought

535
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Speaker 4: that it's like just it well and take some supplements

536
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Speaker 4: and everything will be fine.

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Speaker 2: That is how I used to practice. It's like take

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Speaker 2: this supplement for this marker.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I still do that because its speeds healing up

540
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 4: when you can discover exactly what your body needs and

541
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Speaker 4: you can give it at the therapeutic low dose and

542
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 4: for the duration.

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Speaker 2: That you need.

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Speaker 4: Then a lot of people, like within three to four

545
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 4: weeks is starting to get their energy back, They're starting

546
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: to feel a bit more calmer, mental clarity is clocking on,

547
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 4: which then helps them to do more of that deeper

548
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: root cause work. And so that's where we're then diving into,

549
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Speaker 4: like definitely lifestyle, but deeper looking at the patterns that

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Speaker 4: they're running that have led to their body systems burning

551
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Speaker 4: out in the first place. So a lot of those

552
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: overdoing busy perfection people, pleasing patterns, fear based patterns that

553
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: you know, if you're eating healthy but taking some supplements

554
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: and maybe sleeping well, your body is still going to

555
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: be burning up and burning through those body systems if

556
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: you've got an internal tiger constantly chasing you.

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Speaker 2: So we're working on all of that at the same time.

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Speaker 3: And how are you assessing that is that through a

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Speaker 3: number of different questionnaires that you've created.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we all when I sorry, I should say

561
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Speaker 4: when I say we, my husband.

562
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Speaker 2: Works inside my practice as well, so it's christ and

563
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Speaker 2: Philly Functional Medicine. But when we're working with.

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Speaker 4: Our clients, we'll look at their we're literally looking at patterns.

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00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 4: So just in the same way that to get the

566
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: physical data, we're using the lab test to look at, well,

567
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 4: what are the patterns showing up in your body systems,

568
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 4: which one of which ones are burnt out or overgrown?

569
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Speaker 4: When it comes to healing rewiring the deeper metaphysical parts

570
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Speaker 4: of them, we start off with patterns that they're running

571
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Speaker 4: behavioral patterns, thought patterns, emotional patterns, and then start digging

572
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Speaker 4: in from there. So every behavior has a belief underneath.

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Speaker 2: And so then we're getting into like, okay, the what's

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Speaker 2: a defunconscious core belief that you have about yourself?

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Speaker 4: And where did that come from? And what events cause

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Speaker 4: that to happen? And when we have all that data.

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Speaker 2: Then using different brain rewiring, subconscious repatenting practices to help

578
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Speaker 2: them essentially change their internal landscape.

579
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Speaker 1: What sort of modalities are you using here?

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Speaker 3: I mean I was hearing elements of CBT in there,

581
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Speaker 3: And what are there any particular modalities that you use

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Speaker 3: around these beliefs and helping to rewire.

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Speaker 1: Is it a system that you guys have come up with?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of like a mush of lots of things

585
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Speaker 4: that have right, So neural linguists, he's probably more so

586
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: than I'm not changed in CBT, but there are some crossovers.

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00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: We also use a lot of somatic practices, so really

588
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: like neurosensory practices where we can use the body and

589
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: self touch and breath to help the body and then

590
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: the brain actually feel safe because if we just stay

591
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Speaker 4: in our brain, in our mental conscious mind kind of

592
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Speaker 4: reframing that can it's wonderful and it's part of what

593
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Speaker 4: we do, but we need the body to also feel

594
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Speaker 4: safe and to drop into a different way of being

595
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Speaker 4: and imagination, like when you can richly imagine something new,

596
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Speaker 4: and that's going back into the past and those distressing,

597
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: emotionally charged events that we were talking about earlier, When

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Speaker 4: you can richuly imagine a different ending or a different

599
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Speaker 4: way of being and move through your timeline and literally

600
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Speaker 4: like rewrite your own story.

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Speaker 1: Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

602
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: The unconscious mind doesn't know the difference between real and imagine,

603
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Speaker 2: so it's going to take it on as a new memory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's simple, but it's so powerful.

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00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Uh and and probably quite difficult.

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Speaker 3: I mean hi, So a couple of questions that then

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Speaker 3: pop into my mind, quidness of the client to this right,

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Speaker 3: because particularly we're in the metaphysical, and some people would

610
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Speaker 3: be a little bit up tight on this and.

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Speaker 1: Fucking why you told them my my childhood and all

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Speaker 1: this sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: So how do how do you prepare them for getting

614
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Speaker 3: in there? And and are there some people where you

615
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: meet them and you just go, this year ain't going

616
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Speaker 3: to work on you. There's too many walls up here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know already yet, Well, a great way would

618
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Speaker 4: be I read my book, listen to our podcast.

619
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that will tell you if you're ready.

620
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it will if you resonate with it. And

621
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Speaker 4: it's like, yes, a lot of people who like our clients,

622
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Speaker 4: have worked with a lot of natural paths nutrition as

623
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Speaker 4: functional medicine practitioners.

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Speaker 1: And they're open to their stuff.

625
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: Anyway, right, well there there, yes, because they've tried so

626
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 4: many physical protocols and they're like, I'm still not where

627
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Speaker 4: I want to be, and so it's almost like this

628
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 4: last leap of faith of this is scary, but I'm

629
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Speaker 4: diving in.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, there's heaps of people that aren't ready for this.

631
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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that they might not ever be and

632
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Speaker 4: they can't change, but it's it's.

633
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Speaker 2: Hard work and it's it's also the most beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Work mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: And what what is the what does a process look

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Speaker 3: like for doing that that metaphysical work? I mean, is

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Speaker 3: there a is there a sort of a standard pathway

638
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: that you follow or is it very specific to the

639
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: individual client. So what I'm trying of getting at is

640
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: high how do you go about on covering some of

641
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: these unconscious beliefs that people may have they done in

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Speaker 3: a coach let's talk about your childhood sort of session.

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Speaker 2: No, we've created inside of our program.

644
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: So we've got we've got like the physical protocols as

645
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: people are working through their body systems. That's going to

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00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 4: be individual based on what their lab tests come up as.

647
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: But then on the metaphysical side of things, we've created

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00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: a process. So essentially it's called the first part is reckoning.

649
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 4: So get clear on your dysfunctional patterns, put all the

650
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 4: dirty laundry out on the table. Then go back into

651
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 4: the past to connect the dots. It's like, why are

652
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: these patterns here? Where did they come from? And then

653
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: what do you want?

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Speaker 2: Instead?

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Speaker 4: So really helping them to direct their brain towards what

656
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: they do want, because if they get stuck in the past,

657
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: nothing changes. You can have so much awareness, but we

658
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 4: want to start seeding the brain towards where you want

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Speaker 4: to go. And then the next part is rewiring the

660
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 4: brain nervous system regulation, and essentially the core components are

661
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 4: creating safeness in the body and deeper parts of you,

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00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: rewriting those stories and those beliefs and those past events

663
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 4: that have happened. And then this might sound a bit

664
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: woo woo, but it's beautiful work starting to communicate with

665
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: your sensations because we believe that the symptoms that you

666
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: probably hate on, that you don't want to have anymore,

667
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: are actually just the most beautiful, loving messages trying to

668
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 4: get your attention.

669
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: Pain is a great way to get.

670
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 4: Our attention, absolutely, and they have so much wisdom as well.

671
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 4: Like I mean, it probably wouldn't come to a surprise

672
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 4: that it's like, oh, okay, right, so this chronic pain

673
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 4: is actually because I'm overworking, I'm doing too much.

674
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: Why is that the case?

675
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: So I'm starting to work with the symptoms also using

676
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 4: some really specific brain rewiring or retraining techniques that come

677
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 4: from It stems from the research of phantom limb pain.

678
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: Ah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah cool, yeah, talks to

679
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: you because this is fascinating.

680
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: Ship is so fascinating. I actually had a client yesterday

681
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: she's like, so, she's like, I don't want to use

682
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: the word skeptical, but what your brain controls your pain?

683
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: But then when I just talked about, yeah, well that's

684
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: what happens. When someone has an arm that has chopped off.

685
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 4: They don't have a hand anymore, but they're feeling pain

686
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: in their hand.

687
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: How the heck is that happening?

688
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: And so when someone's had chronic symptoms or you know,

689
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: they're missing their hand, the brain has remapped the way

690
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 4: that the rest of the body is experiencing their reality

691
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 4: or you know, they're experiencing their body. So I'll take

692
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: like something like bloating. You could do all sorts of

693
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 4: gut work, and for some people it heals bloating. It's fine,

694
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 4: But for other people the bloating is still there because

695
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: over ten years of having this bloating, the brain has

696
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 4: associated different triggers. So it might be food, it might

697
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 4: be stressed, it might be a sell or a sound.

698
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: And anytime the brain experience is that it sends that

699
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 4: signal down to the gut and the bloating shows up.

700
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: But it's very common in chronic pain. What does it

701
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: see chronic complex chronic pain disorder where you might have

702
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: had an injury to the back or the hip or

703
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 4: the leg. Physically it's healed, but the body is still in.

704
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: Pain and the nerve a system still hyper active, right,

705
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: hyper sensitized to it. I remember I remember the Indian

706
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 3: neuroscientists Ratchet Dim or something around Fantom Limpin who then

707
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: discovered the mirror trick that they use with people and

708
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: just bringing out a false hand and a mirror like

709
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 3: I can't remember the detail because it was twenty years ago,

710
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: but it was just like fuck, that's crazy shit, and

711
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: actually hailed people's phantom limpians because it just confused the

712
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: bri right and broader out of that pattern. Yeah, so

713
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: there's so much shit that we really don't understand. I'm

714
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: interested in the nervous system. You talked about calming the

715
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: nervous system, because obviously when people are are burnt out,

716
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: their nervous system is on high alert. So what sort

717
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: of stuff are you doing? You doing any vegal nerve

718
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 3: type stuff with these people?

719
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like mission number one, so the corries change, change

720
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: the deep unconscious care belief you have about yourself. So

721
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: the deepest in other word, is the deepest few you

722
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: have about yourself, because if that isn't changed and you're

723
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 2: only using nervous system regulation practices, whether that's breath work

724
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: or humming or you know, whatever that is, then you're

725
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: kind of just managing and putting a bit of a band.

726
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, under a deeper dysregulation.

727
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 4: So so we're working on that, and that again we're

728
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: just using really simple things that people can do at home.

729
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 4: So embodied, I don't love. We do use the word affirmations.

730
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: Affirmations can fall flat on your face if you just

731
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 4: look in the mirror every day and you're like, I

732
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 4: am wonderful if ninety five percent of your unconscious mind, Yeah, if.

733
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 3: You're gonna I'm wonderful in your unconscious manage going no,

734
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: you're fucking not good ship, And I'll tell you three

735
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: hundred and one way is why you're shit.

736
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then like, don't look at me in

737
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: the mirror anymore.

738
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Speaker 4: So when you can embody the new belief and by

739
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 4: that you're actually having some sort of visceral, physical, or

740
00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: emotional shift when you're reprogramming those beliefs that self.

741
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 3: So is that what you mean by imbody You're actually

742
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: feeling something in the body while you're saying it, right, Okay.

743
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: And even the posture is really important too.

744
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: So if you're kind of like punched over here and

745
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: saying like I choose to know, I'm I'm good enough

746
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: and I'm strong and I'm.

747
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: Capable, it's like the body is that's disconnected.

748
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

749
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: Amy cut has done something interesting research on that, right

750
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 3: on the impact of your body position on hormones and stuff.

751
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: That was AX talk, wasn't it.

752
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: It was a TEDx talk and some people have questioned,

753
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: actually want somebody somebody in her team flag that the

754
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: data may have been.

755
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: Slightly man mishandled.

756
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: But you know, fucking psychology is full of replication crisis, right.

757
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: So coming coming back to so that the whole metaphysical

758
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: process then, was there anything else on that before we

759
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: talk about the environment.

760
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: Well, visualization could be really helpful.

761
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, cool, Now talk talks to the visualization stuff.

762
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I use visualization because that's the

763
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: term that most people resonate with, but some people can't

764
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 4: and don't visualize or do it very well.

765
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: I am sha My wife's great I am fucking rubbish

766
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: at that whole visualization stuff.

767
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: Just don't know what's going on. Do you do.

768
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: Any practices where you have your eyes closed and you're

769
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: imagining something.

770
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: I have had people gay that have been in workshops,

771
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 3: people going and I'm just like.

772
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: There's just nothing.

773
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: Okay, this is this is important people, because if.

774
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: Someone should I know that I don't on the coach.

775
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: Yes, let's do this, so it's okay.

776
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 4: Not every one visualizes, but you will still imagine.

777
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah cool.

778
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: Let you close your eyes right now, Paul yeap, and

779
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 2: just imagine you're picking this beautiful plump lemon off a tree. Oh,

780
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: and you put it up to your nose and you

781
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: smell it.

782
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: It's like cool, so fresh, And then you cut it

783
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 4: in half and you put it in your mouth and you.

784
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: Suckle that delicious juice out of it and makes your

785
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: body shut up.

786
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: Nah naha.

787
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: But how did you know that you're experiencing a lemon? Oh?

788
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: I actually didn't experience because I was as.

789
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: You're saying that, I'm like, I'm waiting for the salivation

790
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: to happen, and it's.

791
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: Just like fucking nothing, and you're saying, but I can't,

792
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: so I don't picture, okay, stuff, I'm trying to picture

793
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: myself and it's just like fuzzy.

794
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: No, okay, So you're probably more like a straight auditory

795
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 2: ah OKAYI the words, you follow it, but you don't

796
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: have kind of like a visceral response in your body

797
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: or you visualize it. Like, I think that's important.

798
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: I think people need to learn how they imagine, so

799
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 4: then you can use that up and like.

800
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 3: It's like it's like learning, right, people learn, some people

801
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: learn auditory, some people are visual, right, So it's the

802
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: different learning starts, right, and so I need to tap

803
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: into a different way of visualizing or imagery.

804
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, or you just stick with auditory, okay, but

805
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 4: you really harness that and you can also practice like

806
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 4: Almvrain is amazing, so you can practice different ways of

807
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 4: imagining as well. So anyway, like that imagination piece is

808
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: like who do you want to be? Imagine in the morning,

809
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: when you're in bed, before you get up for the day,

810
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 4: how are you going to show up to you?

811
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: Imagine your unconscious mind were taken on his new memory.

812
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the whole getting in touch with all of you.

813
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: They're bringing all your senses to it and stuff like that, right,

814
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: the rich in the experience. Here, there's a guy in

815
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: Plymouth University did functional imagery training with athletes and then

816
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: did it with with with other people. Words that whole

817
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: functional imagery where there's a guided meditation and they create

818
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: that the whole thing, and they're bringing the whole census

819
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: and it's actually really really effective. So yeah, look, I

820
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: get it. I'm just I'm just ship at the visualizing bit,

821
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: but I am quite good at imagining, you know how

822
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: I want to show up and all of that sort

823
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: of stuff.

824
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, awesome, Yeah, yeah cool.

825
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about the the last piece, which is

826
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: the environment. So because obviously that obviously plays a role,

827
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: whether it's your house, your foods, your your workplace. You know,

828
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: different stressors, different toxins that mean the fucking hell an

829
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 3: endless of might, right, plastics, microplastics, all of this stuff.

830
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: So what do you do. What's your approach in first

831
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: helping people to.

832
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 3: Analyze their environment and then around obviously getting an environment

833
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: that is supportive.

834
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is actually probably okay. I was going

835
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: to say it's the easiest piece on the physical side

836
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 4: of things. It can be the easiest piece of the puzzle.

837
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: I'll talk about relationships and stuff in a second, because

838
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 4: that would.

839
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the kind of ones.

840
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: There's a whole new podcast.

841
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: There's a whole new vodcast. But I like to keep

842
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: it simple.

843
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 4: When someone is looking at is there anything in their

844
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 4: house that might be preventing them from healing or causing

845
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 4: more body burnout to their body systems. So looking in

846
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 4: your cupboards, what skin care are you using, what cleanings

847
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 4: are you using?

848
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: Also like, is.

849
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: There any visual black mold anywhere in your house or

850
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 4: can you smell it?

851
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: Because that will fuck you up big time? Right? So bad?

852
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: Not well, I mean it's it's bad.

853
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 4: But a quarter of the population have a gene mutation

854
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: that causes them that causes their immune system to overact,

855
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: over react to the mold. So that's quite a big

856
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: that's massive. So in terms of okay, if there's mold,

857
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: that's a whole thing to like get rid of that

858
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 4: or to move from that. But the skin care, cleaning products,

859
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: even your food sources, it's actually pretty easy. Not a

860
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 4: lot of people are addicted to the toilet cleaner that

861
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 4: they're using. Some people might find it harder to get

862
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: rid of chocolate or you know, processed sugar and that

863
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. But I would start off with your

864
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: cleaning products, and there's so many options now where you

865
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 4: can buy organic, natural you can even make your own

866
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 4: very cheaply, very easily.

867
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: Vinegar and yeah, vinegars fucking oil.

868
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 2: That's great.

869
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one.

870
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 3: Vinegar and bacarp disordered together. Jesus Christ. That's good ship.

871
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

872
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: Sprinkling some essential oils and it will smell.

873
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a really important pot thing,

874
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: right because.

875
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: It and a lot of people don't realize that it's

876
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 3: the overall toxic load in your body interacting with high

877
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: resilient your body is right nigh And to your point,

878
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 3: if there's lots of that stress and all that stuff

879
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: that we talked about, your immune system is low. And

880
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 3: if your cope in bay eating shit food and drinking alcohol,

881
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 3: you're further impacting it. And stuff that would normally from

882
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: a toxins in the environment.

883
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: The overall toxic.

884
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: Load, which which may not have been a problem before

885
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden can become a massive problem.

886
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Right yeah. Absolutely, Hence why you do all of these things.

887
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 4: This is why, and the neural pathway can start pathways

888
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: can start becoming involved as well, where it's like, oh,

889
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: I used to be able to smell perfume and you know,

890
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 4: cleaning products and it was fine, but now my body

891
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 4: like the moment that I smell the smallest amount that

892
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 4: doesn't have time to get into the liver.

893
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: So it must be a brain thing.

894
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, brain, the ambig dealer is it's again, it's like

895
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 4: another danger sign that then triggers a whole heap of symptoms.

896
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: For some people.

897
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 4: So working on that and it's pretty I mean, you

898
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 4: can get really geeky, but probably the easiest way of

899
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: figuring out if you've got toxic stuff in your cupboards

900
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 4: is there's a great website called www dot EWG dot org.

901
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: When I was going.

902
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: Through my load, is that the Environmental Working Group?

903
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the one Yeah yeah, yeah,

904
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 3: it's pretty cool.

905
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when I was going through my low tox phase.

906
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 4: This is before there were any apps, Like there's lots

907
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 4: of different apps you can buy now to and you

908
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: just scan your product. But I use that website and

909
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 4: every single ingredient I put into the website, it's like,

910
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: is this safe? So it will come up with green

911
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 4: if it's safe natural.

912
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: Orange.

913
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 4: If there's some studies that might go to or fro

914
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 4: in terms of some people may be fine with it,

915
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 4: some people might not, and then red zone would be get.

916
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: It out of your house.

917
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: So I was really looking for those red ones initially

918
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 4: to just clear all those out. And I had a

919
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 4: very bad habit of waste not want not, So I'm like,

920
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 4: I'll just keep all this nail polish and when I

921
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 4: finish it, or then I'll throw it all out and.

922
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: I'll never buy it again until my child.

923
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 4: I came home one day and my child had smashed

924
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 4: them all and she was painting with them on the tiles. No,

925
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 4: and that was a great opportunity to say, let's just

926
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 4: ditch all this stuff right now.

927
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: We don't need that.

928
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: Ship's going to be some of the worst, right So

929
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: what what?

930
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: What are some of the Because I've been reading recently

931
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: about perfume and after She and the fucking horrible ship

932
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: in that and the more expensive it is, generally the

933
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 3: more the ship that it has in it. And because

934
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 3: I think it's really important for people to understand that

935
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: the skin is the biggest organ in the body and

936
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: it absorbs anything.

937
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: That you put on it.

938
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what tend to be the biggest things that

939
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 3: people should look out for in terms of ingredients, in

940
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: terms of well or in terms of just products or friends.

941
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can. You can talk brands for sure.

942
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 4: Mostly anything in the cleaning aisles or the skincare aisles

943
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 4: in woolworthel coals or department stores, like basically like ninety

944
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 4: percent of them, they're going to be pretty toxic.

945
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: A really sneaky ingredient will be fragrance.

946
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the one I was talking about earlier on

947
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: If it says fragrance, it's like fark and bar Bard, right, yeah, yeah.

948
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 4: And it's really sneaky because there's no laws or what

949
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 4: is it. It's the privacy, you know, when any manufacturer

950
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 4: creates an ingredient, it's.

951
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: Like you can't ah yeah, proprietary.

952
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: Stuff, that's it.

953
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so they'll just call it fragrance because they

954
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,479
Speaker 4: don't want anyone else to steal their recipe. But there's

955
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 4: so much stuff and often a chemical cord formaldehyde, which

956
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 4: was used was it back in the war, It was

957
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,479
Speaker 4: quite a while ago, but they used it on dead

958
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 4: people's bodies to prevent them.

959
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: From Yeah, yeah, yeah.

960
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and birth defects and all sorts of shit for

961
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: malbeky doesn't it. Yeah, So cleaning products, anything on the skin,

962
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: you've got to be aware of. And you could, I guess,

963
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: jump onto environmental working group and then you just plug

964
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 3: in the ingredients and it's going to flash like mad.

965
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: And then what about.

966
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 3: Things like even deodorant, toothpastees, you know these sorts of

967
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 3: things that you factor those in as well.

968
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Colgate is not good.

969
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I started using about eighteen months

970
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 3: ago was just baking soda.

971
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: And then I interviewed on my podcast.

972
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: He was brilliant actually, and it was all about natric oxide,

973
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 3: which is so so important for us, and he said,

974
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: toothpaste kills naitric oxide completely fucks it up. And he

975
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 3: said mouthwash is one of the worst things that you

976
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: could do for your nitric oxide. Natric Oxide is what

977
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: opens up all your blood vessels. It's good for your heart,

978
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: it's good for your brilling. And he's like, yeah, toothpeaste

979
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 3: and mouthwash just destroyed natric oxide because a lot of

980
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 3: it it starts in their miyes.

981
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm using a tooth soap at the moment. Okay,

982
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 4: it's just soap with the senseil oils made by someone

983
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: local to me. That you know, there's so many different

984
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 4: options that you can use. It's just thinking outside the

985
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 4: box and getting out of those old patterns that we

986
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 4: were so used to growing up.

987
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 3: And yeah, absolutely, and even like moisturizers, there's a learly

988
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: I know who created this beef tallow moisturizer, and it's

989
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: fucking brilliant for the skin. And I beef tallow is

990
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 3: amazing for the skin and what I've used, I've used

991
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: it for years.

992
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: Because it was just one of those little things. Gen

993
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: Geen Mari Clemont or Gene Clemont.

994
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: Was the oldest living woman in the world at the time.

995
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: She thinks she lived to like one hundred and twenty

996
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: or something like that, and she spoke until she was

997
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: one hundred and then she thought she should give up.

998
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 3: But they asked her about the secret to her longevity,

999
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 3: and obviously she's got good genes, right, But she said

1000
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 3: she eats stark chocolate every day and the only moisturize

1001
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: that she used for one hundred odd years was extra

1002
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 3: virgin olive oil.

1003
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool.

1004
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: And I have a.

1005
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: Little thing of extra virgin olive oil, and that's what

1006
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 3: I use on my baldy head.

1007
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 5: So shiny, yes exactly, because I thought, fucking hell, that

1008
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 5: just makes so much sense because you know it's absorbed

1009
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 5: into your skin, So why would you put you know.

1010
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: If you look at moisturize the shit that's in them,

1011
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you use something that that's actually good, that's

1012
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 3: going to be absorbed. Yeah cool, So so now or

1013
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 3: we because we are just about our time the very quickly.

1014
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 3: Your book follows the stories of three women rules he

1015
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 3: is alone, Aila, pick one on them to tell us about.

1016
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 4: Oh gosh okay.

1017
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: Or an overview of the review of them.

1018
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: Well, all three a combination.

1019
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 4: They're not real people, but they're combinations of women that

1020
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 4: I've worked with, including myself. So I one of the characters,

1021
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 4: Hazel is probably more what I used to be, like,

1022
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 4: the very overdoing perfectionists got.

1023
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: To be the best. And then Rose is more.

1024
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 4: Of the people pleaser, so but she's still got very

1025
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 4: busy patterns. It's just showing up in different ways. And

1026
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 4: then Ayla is a woman that has had a lot

1027
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 4: of trauma in her life, and so she's very in

1028
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 4: functional freeze and so they're presenting in different ways in

1029
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 4: terms of their patterns. They've all got body burnout symptoms,

1030
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: but slightly different, And throughout the book, I basically use

1031
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 4: those characters as a vehicle into what it looks like

1032
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 4: to heal from body burnout and your body burnout and

1033
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 4: a really holistic root call.

1034
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cool, and one.

1035
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: Doesn't one doesn't do it in the end, because sometimes

1036
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: that happens. Sometimes it's too hard and it's just like, yeah, no,

1037
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: I'd rather stay in pain.

1038
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: Then get on the other side, then do the hard work.

1039
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And eventually they'll have a go again whenever it

1040
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: becomes important enough. Very cool, so, Philip, But where can

1041
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: people go to find out about your work? Obviously the book,

1042
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: But if they want to take on you and your

1043
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 3: husband to help them get out of the funk, where's.

1044
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: The best place to go for all the stuff that

1045
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: you do?

1046
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so our website would be the place where we

1047
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 4: have all the bits and pieces. So www dot Chris

1048
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 4: and Philly dot FM. Hopefully that'll be in the show

1049
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 4: notes because it's people will get the spelling wrong.

1050
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: Yes, I will put that in the show notes for sure,

1051
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: and that.

1052
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: Will Yeah, you can grab a copy of my book

1053
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: off there, and our main program that people work through

1054
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: if you want to get someone on one support to

1055
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: lob test your body systems and work through the metaphysical

1056
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: healing is the ending bodyburnout method. So course on our

1057
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: website as well.

1058
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, good stuff.

1059
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 3: And you know, I like people who are pro academics, right,

1060
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 3: who've actually not just come at this from a theoretical

1061
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 3: academic perspective, that have actually been on the journey themselves.

1062
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: And I think that gives a fur chunk of extra

1063
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: gravitas so helps you have a really good understanding of

1064
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: what's happening with the client. So create to see you

1065
01:00:58,840 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: on the other side.

1066
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1067
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: Of the funk. Keep keep doing your work.

1068
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: And I think you are in an industry one of

1069
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 3: the few that's not going to become affected adversely by AI.

1070
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's so true. Oh my gosh, you're in it.

1071
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: You're in a growth industry for sure. Good stuff. Thanks fellowes,

1072
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Co