Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live, geta Gay,
Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. So much to get to, including just how
Speaker 1: close we actually came to a rate hike today The
Speaker 1: Reserve Bank told us there wasn't even a discussion about
Speaker 1: cutting rates. To get to that in a second. Oh,
Speaker 1: Albo's still doing his best to suck up at the China,
Speaker 1: as you've heard all night tonight. And believe it or not,
Speaker 1: the plan to replace Biden, somebody's actually putting some details
Speaker 1: to it. I'll get to it all in a moment.
Speaker 1: But first I noticed as a national show, and I
Speaker 1: know it's always dangerous to lead with state politics, but
Speaker 1: there is a figure that is quite specific to our
Speaker 1: audience that I'm very sure you would know when I
Speaker 1: mentioned his name, Matt Kean. Matt Keener is the current
Speaker 1: shadow Health Minister because he was a very big reason
Speaker 1: why the Liberal Party lost to the last state election
Speaker 1: in New South Wales. Well today, this man, who was
Speaker 1: more comfortable in teal or green company, has decided that
Speaker 1: he is going to leave politics. He claims he's leaving
Speaker 1: all forms of politics and it is essentially immediately because
Speaker 1: there's a wonderful place for him apparently somewhere in the
Speaker 1: business community. But the effects of him on politics, not
Speaker 1: just in New South Wales but for liberal politics is
Speaker 1: something worth talking about because I feel it's a bit
Speaker 1: of a good ridden stay now. Today was the News
Speaker 1: of Wales budget and the budget was handed down by
Speaker 1: a Labor party that, yes, like every quote unquote new
Speaker 1: government is still blaming the former government, but very specifically today,
Speaker 1: before anyone even knew Matt Kean was going out the door,
Speaker 1: the current Treasurer, who's had his own problems, pretending that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the biggest threat of the New South
Speaker 1: Wales economy. Okay, settle Down was taking a shot at
Speaker 1: Matt Kean, who, because he couldn't become leader, had to
Speaker 1: settle for second best, and that was Treasurer to Dominique Perrote,
Speaker 1: while undermining Perote at every chance he could, and of
Speaker 1: course losing the election in the process.
Speaker 2: New South Wales can also stabilize its debt trajectory because
Speaker 2: the government is discontinuing the previous government's plans to borrow
Speaker 2: vast sums of money to artificially enlarge the New South
Speaker 2: Wales Generations Fund. Put simply, we will put an end
Speaker 2: to the fiction that by plunging the state further into debt,
Speaker 2: we will eventually get the state out of debt.
Speaker 1: But moments after the budget was released, Matt Keen decided,
Speaker 1: of course, to make it all about himself. Today was
Speaker 1: the day when he had to tell us what some
Speaker 1: people have been seeing for some time. But yeah, he's
Speaker 1: pulling the penies getting out of politics. Then he goes
Speaker 1: at the courtyards of Parliament, gets the cameras with him
Speaker 1: and of course steals the spotlight from the treasurer who
Speaker 1: replaced him.
Speaker 3: After thirteen years as the Member for Hornsby. I'll be
Speaker 3: retiring from parliament.
Speaker 1: So don't you love these people? There was an election
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago in New South Wales. He
Speaker 1: wanted to remain as the Treasurer of New South Wales.
Speaker 1: But of course, after losing the chance to be the treasurer,
Speaker 1: well then he didn't even want to be the leader.
Speaker 1: He basically hasn't done much as a shadow minister and
Speaker 1: now it's time to pull the pin. How different the
Speaker 1: world now is because he's not as powerful as he
Speaker 1: used to be. Now, while patting himself on the back
Speaker 1: like every politician going out the back door, he said this.
Speaker 3: I feel I made significant changes are positive changes in
Speaker 3: energy policy in my time as the Minister for Energy,
Speaker 3: so I intend on continuing to try and make an
Speaker 3: impact in the energy industry in the private sector.
Speaker 1: Now, the idea that a former minister going directly into
Speaker 1: the private sector of which they either helped generate through
Speaker 1: their policy or helped regulate through their policy would generally
Speaker 1: speaking be iffy. But of course, because his is all
Speaker 1: about energy and renewables, exactly what I have been saying
Speaker 1: all the time when he was pushing New South Wales
Speaker 1: over a cliff with a race towards renewables, that what
Speaker 1: he was really doing was burnishing his CV four what
Speaker 1: would eventually be his real future, and that would be
Speaker 1: something somewhere near the private sector. Well, all of that
Speaker 1: has now come out now, whether that's ethical or not,
Speaker 1: I think we can both agree whether it's legal or not. Well,
Speaker 1: of course, surprise, surprise, he's waited a magical two years
Speaker 1: since being a minister, So maybe the system now works
Speaker 1: in his favor that he can go and now work
Speaker 1: in the very sectors that he made decisions for that
Speaker 1: clearly were advantageous to those companies. With no intention at
Speaker 1: all of corruption, but a very convenient scenario that the
Speaker 1: industry that he helped grow through his decisions in government
Speaker 1: well becomes the one that he says he now wants
Speaker 1: to go off and work to in the private sector. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know playing to run his own business. Is
Speaker 1: he's going to go and join fellow former lefty liberals
Speaker 1: running certain companies that of course then turn around and
Speaker 1: remember when it came to the ghost he and Mike
Speaker 1: cannon Brooks, who was a billionaire, was able to get
Speaker 1: money out of the federal government to help them build
Speaker 1: more solar panels. You see, if you know the system,
Speaker 1: then you know how to the system should work. Again,
Speaker 1: all strangely above board. But when he talks about wrapping
Speaker 1: himself for the energy grid, now we can remember that
Speaker 1: there was no other time in recent history when the
Speaker 1: citizens of our biggest state were being told to ration power. Now.
Speaker 1: This wasn't because we're in the middle of a world war.
Speaker 1: This wasn't because there was some giant accident that had
Speaker 1: knocked out part of the power system in a natural disaster.
Speaker 1: This was because it was going to be a day
Speaker 1: when lots of people were going to be using electricity
Speaker 1: because of the weather. And this is what Matt Kean
Speaker 1: said as the then Energy minister. This is what he
Speaker 1: is proud of when it comes to his legacy in
Speaker 1: New South Wales politics, whereas the rest of us that
Speaker 1: are watching on remember him pretty much only for this.
Speaker 3: So what we want to see is if there is
Speaker 3: an opportunity for people to reduce their energy usage, so
Speaker 3: perhaps not using the dishwasher until you go to bed
Speaker 3: that would help.
Speaker 1: Now, of course he claims that he's been thinking about
Speaker 1: this for some time. In fact, he actually said.
Speaker 4: That I've been thinking about this for some time.
Speaker 1: Really, how long is a long time? Because it was
Speaker 1: only a few weeks ago that he was proudly strutting
Speaker 1: the national stage on Q and A, representing the lefty
Speaker 1: liberal position and obviously getting a chance to put a
Speaker 1: few into Peter Dutton, particularly on nuclear policy. So if
Speaker 1: he was already planning to go on the way out,
Speaker 1: then he was planning a hit job. If he wasn't
Speaker 1: planning to go out the back door, well then he
Speaker 1: was telling a lie. Today. Now, anyone who knows Matt
Speaker 1: Kean knows that, of course he is an absolute creature
Speaker 1: of the factional system inside the Liberal Party. Now, the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party is just as factionally riven, if not more so,
Speaker 1: I would say, than the Labor Party. And basically because
Speaker 1: the Labor Party has a system where we keep our
Speaker 1: fights indoor, and even the people who we know are
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the two thirds of the
Speaker 1: party that decide to make a different decision, you go
Speaker 1: out and argue publicly what the party's position is. Think
Speaker 1: Penny Wong remember when she had to pretend that she
Speaker 1: didn't think now was the right time for same sex marriage.
Speaker 1: But of course in the Liberal Party what ends up
Speaker 1: happening is that basically the Bedweaders, well, they end up
Speaker 1: going to the right, meaning that the lefties are the
Speaker 1: ones who constantly call out their own government. Or conversely,
Speaker 1: if the bed Wedders go with the left, then it's
Speaker 1: the right wing that ends up doing it. And the
Speaker 1: factional games inside the Liberal Party are ones that the
Speaker 1: Great John Howard has said are completely unnecessary and are
Speaker 1: beginning to cause permanent problems for the Liberal Party. Matt
Speaker 1: Kean's been involved in all of this, and Matt Kean
Speaker 1: was planning at one point to take his show to Canberra.
Speaker 1: He wanted to become a federal politician because the area
Speaker 1: that he represents in and around Sydney. While safe liberal
Speaker 1: states at the state level, these are areas that are
Speaker 1: kind of prime for potential deal growth going into the
Speaker 1: next federal election. Now, one of the reasons why Matt Kean,
Speaker 1: who was the then deputy leader of the Liberal Party,
Speaker 1: decided not to become the leader of the Liberal Party
Speaker 1: and that's opposition leader, apart from not wanting to do
Speaker 1: the hard work when no one's watching, was of course,
Speaker 1: because all eyes and even in the Turmbul Times, which
Speaker 1: often got exclusives either named or unnamed from people close
Speaker 1: to the Keen camp, made it pretty clear he wasn't
Speaker 1: running for the leadership because he was thinking about moving
Speaker 1: to federal politics. Now, there was one of two options
Speaker 1: that he was exploring. One was to boot out Julian
Speaker 1: Lisa in the seat of Barrera, but that isn't happening.
Speaker 1: So the possibility was that he was going to knock
Speaker 1: out Paul Fletcher in the seat of Bradfield. But then
Speaker 1: on Friday we saw perhaps the real reason why today
Speaker 1: was the announcement that apparently was a long time coming
Speaker 1: from Matt Keane, and that was that the boundaries have
Speaker 1: changed in New South Wales about the different types of
Speaker 1: seats and where the battle lines will be for the
Speaker 1: next federal election. The seat of Bradfield, which presumably was
Speaker 1: one with a low profile Teel candidate who however had
Speaker 1: set up an alternative MP's office as a way of
Speaker 1: sort of psychological warfare and stalking Paul Fletcher, but with
Speaker 1: no indications that Paul Fletcher was going to be going anywhere,
Speaker 1: and the boundaries changing and the former Member for North
Speaker 1: Sydney potentially becoming the candidate in Bradfield. Will guess who
Speaker 1: magically has decided that, after all of his options ran
Speaker 1: out when it came to federal politics, that now was
Speaker 1: the time to say he was getting out of state politics.
Speaker 1: The party is not better for his service. Yes, the
Speaker 1: faction the factional differences are deeper than ever. While he
Speaker 1: thought that he would be able to pull off, among
Speaker 1: other things, as a minister, bringing back the ghost of
Speaker 1: Malcolm Turnbull for a job in the New South Wales government, well,
Speaker 1: of course that got popped on the head. He was
Speaker 1: a bloke who when it came to energy policy, was
Speaker 1: more aggressive than any Teal in any parliament, he would
Speaker 1: be happier in the world of Greens. And now because
Speaker 1: of the way that our system is put together, he
Speaker 1: now gets to go off and make potentially millions of
Speaker 1: dollars in a sector that he helped turn greener. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he loves his family, I'm sure he loves his friends,
Speaker 1: and I know that it is only the left who
Speaker 1: assumes the worst in the human being they disagree with
Speaker 1: I don't. But when it comes to the public discourse
Speaker 1: and what he in part, in my view, did to
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, including putting it in a position where
Speaker 1: they lost and lost badly at the last state election,
Speaker 1: good riddance, goodbye. The Reserve Bank met today and as
Speaker 1: you know, they don't meet every month, going to meet
Speaker 1: every few weeks. So when they meet, they obviously are
Speaker 1: going to make big decisions, big ups, big downs, or
Speaker 1: in this case, of course, they are holding for yet
Speaker 1: another month. Now, of course, that means that those of
Speaker 1: us that are in the middle of the mortgage squeeze
Speaker 1: are still as purple as Raybina, with the rates the
Speaker 1: highest they've been in the best part of a generation.
Speaker 1: So there is no relief. Well, the relief is that
Speaker 1: they didn't go up. There is no relief in still
Speaker 1: things being at modern highs tens of thousands of dollars
Speaker 1: that you've needed to find to try to pay a
Speaker 1: house off since Albanesi became the prime minister and Charmers
Speaker 1: became the treasurer. But interestingly, today, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: obviously we were told the federal budget was so amazing
Speaker 1: and there'd be no inflation re impact and in fact
Speaker 1: they'd be expecting a cut sooner rather than later, the
Speaker 1: Reserve Bank boss came out and said they didn't even
Speaker 1: discuss rate cuts, which meant they only discussed two things today,
Speaker 1: holding which is what they decided, or putting them up,
Speaker 1: which would be extraordinary. But here she is confirming that
Speaker 1: only two of three options were even discussed today.
Speaker 5: No, the case for a cut was not considered.
Speaker 1: Not even considered. So all of those predictions that we've
Speaker 1: been showing you from banks that expect things to be
Speaker 1: happening at best at the very end of this year
Speaker 1: or most likely midway through next year, means that the
Speaker 1: pain that you are feeling and had been feeling every
Speaker 1: month continues for many more months to come. In fact,
Speaker 1: the chance of a rate hike, as remote as it
Speaker 1: may seem because of the financial difficulties that most people
Speaker 1: are well Again, the Reserve Bank governor left the door
Speaker 1: open for things to get worse, for people paying their
Speaker 1: houses off before they get better.
Speaker 5: Recent data have been mixed, but overall I think they
Speaker 5: reinforce the need to remain vigilant to the upside risks
Speaker 5: to inflation. We still think we're on the narrow path.
Speaker 5: It does appear to be getting a bit narrower. We
Speaker 5: need a lot to go our way if we're going
Speaker 5: to bring inflation back down to the two percent target range.
Speaker 5: The Board does need to be confident that inflation is
Speaker 5: moving sustainably towards target and it will do what is
Speaker 5: necessary to achieve that outcome.
Speaker 1: Now, of course not an economist, but I read plenty
Speaker 1: about people's thoughts on the Australian economy and it is
Speaker 1: extraordinary to me that there's even any chance of a
Speaker 1: rate increase, because yet again more information about just how
Speaker 1: tough Australians are doing it comes on the very day
Speaker 1: where this meeting took place. Cost of living, as always
Speaker 1: politically but more importantly the real world, is the number
Speaker 1: one issue, as the living cost crunch causes credit stress.
Speaker 1: Why because people are starting to fall behind. A new
Speaker 1: report has concluding that four out of five Australians are
Speaker 1: suffering from high levels of bill stress, while separate statistics
Speaker 1: released by the Reserve Bank of Australia and the Banking
Speaker 1: Regulator highlight just how debt pressures a rising, specifically credit cards.
Speaker 1: For many people, this the way that they are trying
Speaker 1: to get through these dark days of albonomics. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 1: Reserve Bank figures out this month show that credit card
Speaker 1: debt attracting interest rates climbed for five months in a
Speaker 1: row and has jumped four hundred and fifty million million
Speaker 1: dollars since September. The outstanding amount that currently sits on
Speaker 1: cards around Australia seventeen billion dollars, current interest rate eighteen
Speaker 1: point three percent. That means that three point two billion
Speaker 1: dollars annual interest bill is currently what is being paid
Speaker 1: for by struggling households. But of course none of those
Speaker 1: households have anything to do with the people who run
Speaker 1: the Australian economy. As I told you first off, the
Speaker 1: first cap off the rank last night. The politicians are
Speaker 1: getting a pay rise, no matter how useless the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister can be, no matter how unhelpful many of his
Speaker 1: ministers are, and no matter how terrible the Treasurer is.
Speaker 1: They are getting yet another pay rise, the third since
Speaker 1: they came to office. It's the second biggest in a decade.
Speaker 1: That's because the last one they got was the biggest
Speaker 1: in the decade, and just after they came to power
Speaker 1: they also got a pay rise. That's three in a row.
Speaker 1: Have you got three in a row since twenty twenty two?
Speaker 1: Of course not, because they live in the complete other bubble.
Speaker 1: But then they pretend to understand your problems. They don't. Now,
Speaker 1: if these politicians were serious, someone anyone anywhere would come
Speaker 1: out and say, I don't want it, I don't accept it.
Speaker 1: Let's do something in the Parliament to make sure that
Speaker 1: they don't happen. But of course, unless the opposition does that,
Speaker 1: the government won't do it. In surprise, surprise, nobody seems
Speaker 1: to be interested in sending that real message that they care,
Speaker 1: that they don't really need the pay rise. But when
Speaker 1: the staff around them also get the pay rise, including
Speaker 1: the person who runs the Prime Minister's department, who will
Speaker 1: earn four hundred thousand dollars more than the Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: The public servant a million dollars, the Prime Minister six
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. Meantime, it's not just the Polleys that
Speaker 1: are rolling in extra pay rises. What about the CFMEU.
Speaker 1: Now we heard this when it was a maybe. Well
Speaker 1: now it's been confirmed twenty one percent pay rise for
Speaker 1: people who work with the CFMEU, particularly on work sites
Speaker 1: in and around Victoria. But it won't be limited to
Speaker 1: just Victoria. This means you get the absurdity of people
Speaker 1: with the stop go signs getting paid two hundred thousand dollars. Now,
Speaker 1: this was all confirmed, surprise surprise by the union members today,
Speaker 1: including one of them who was saying twenty percent pay
Speaker 1: rise is over four years. That's not enough four rangers
Speaker 1: in the country. The apprentices all have four raptors. But
Speaker 1: as for the stop and go workers, the people who
Speaker 1: yes do it in the heat or the cold are
Speaker 1: also getting two hundred thousand dollars under the new deal.
Speaker 1: John Setka, the boss of the CFM, says, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty our job. People think just standing there with a
Speaker 1: lollipop sign and you're getting two hundred grand a year.
Speaker 1: They work massive hours when it's speeding down rain, there's
Speaker 1: concrete paorse going on. You can't just walk away. You're
Speaker 1: putting up with all sorts of lunatic drivers, You're putting
Speaker 1: up with trucks flying pasture. You're putting your life and
Speaker 1: some other drivers hands all the time, you know. So
Speaker 1: two hundred grand apparently is okay. Now, amazingly we hear
Speaker 1: tonight that the federal government is thinking about a law
Speaker 1: which way we'll end up breaking up parts of the CFMEU. Now,
Speaker 1: remember the CFWMEU is the maritime union together with the
Speaker 1: Construction Union, the Forestry Union and the mining Union. Apparently
Speaker 1: one of those sections is going to be broken off. Now.
Speaker 1: The CFMEU, of course, is part of the bobber Boy
Speaker 1: network of the labor movement. Now, of course they claim
Speaker 1: to be fully disassociated with the Labor Party, but how
Speaker 1: many of them do you reckon? Are out there campaigning
Speaker 1: for anyone but the left side of politics. So they
Speaker 1: can pretend that it's arm's length, they can pretend they
Speaker 1: don't get their donations, but they well and truly get
Speaker 1: their efforts each and every election. Watch this space. Can
Speaker 1: you believe it? Two hundred grand stop go penalty. Yes,
Speaker 1: I get it, you're outside two hundred thousand dollars. Now,
Speaker 1: often I take some time to try to explain to
Speaker 1: you how the sausages made, and just so they say
Speaker 1: how the sausage is made is kind of uncomfortable and
Speaker 1: you never really want to know what the ingredients are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to show a version of that tonight because I,
Speaker 1: like most, if not all, people who talk about politics
Speaker 1: for a living, what we rely on polls to try
Speaker 1: to give us an idea of whether things are trending
Speaker 1: this way or trending that way. Now, I don't see
Speaker 1: them as absolute signs down to the half a percent
Speaker 1: about which what the actual thoughts are of people, but
Speaker 1: again certainly general trends. Now, as you know, the polls
Speaker 1: have been telling us something rather consistently for the past
Speaker 1: few months, and that's been kind. They've been telling us
Speaker 1: this for at least a year. But among other things,
Speaker 1: when it comes to cost of living, people's opinions are
Speaker 1: turning and turning hard against the federal government Again. Sydney
Speaker 1: Morning Herald, Channel nine newspapers not part of what we
Speaker 1: do here and often highly critical of what we do here.
Speaker 1: So we show you their polling as well as News poll,
Speaker 1: as well as the Morgan pole, as well as the
Speaker 1: Essential poll. We try to show you all of these
Speaker 1: different polls so again we can have a conversation based
Speaker 1: off data, not just off vibes and the same company,
Speaker 1: but a different version the Financial Review. We showed you
Speaker 1: last night that on the issue of cost and standard
Speaker 1: of living it is the Liberal Party that is leading
Speaker 1: thirty six to twenty seven. The Labor Party has lost
Speaker 1: nine points on this issue since the last election. Of course
Speaker 1: they were promising to do something about cost of living.
Speaker 1: But interestingly there was another pole which again I often
Speaker 1: quote and I will later in the program this evening,
Speaker 1: which is the essential pole. I like when they start
Speaker 1: to really get into the granular details and you're able
Speaker 1: to even look and they publicly source their information, of
Speaker 1: which I appreciate, which is that they publicly will show
Speaker 1: us not just the headline numbers, but then they'll show
Speaker 1: you the demographics about which age group and which gender
Speaker 1: group and political lines. It gets complicated if you want
Speaker 1: to go and have a look. But of course this
Speaker 1: was the mob who put out the opinion poll and
Speaker 1: is published in the Guardian. The Guardian, of course, is
Speaker 1: where one of the Prime Minister's eleven personal media staff
Speaker 1: used to come from. I'll make Katherine Murphy not just
Speaker 1: doing the job for Labor in the Guardian or on
Speaker 1: the Insiders program, She's now decided to go and do
Speaker 1: it inside the Prime Minister's office. Well, she would be
Speaker 1: very happy at what her old alumni published today because
Speaker 1: they published a list of quests relating to what issues
Speaker 1: you ranked the parties on. Now you will notice that
Speaker 1: a quick glance at the color chart is that the
Speaker 1: Labor Party is leading on all of these issues. But
Speaker 1: what are the issues that they decided to focus on,
Speaker 1: delivering the transition of renewable energy, support the public's health,
Speaker 1: representing our intersts globally, keeping the public safe, or planning
Speaker 1: for the future like AI. What's missing? Oh, that's right,
Speaker 1: the number one issue in the country cost of living. Now,
Speaker 1: that either means that they forgot unlikely or they deliberately
Speaker 1: chose not to ask that question because they couldn't quite
Speaker 1: trust what the answer was. Now, in fairness, the polling
Speaker 1: by Essential, I believe is generally pretty good. But when
Speaker 1: they turn around and list all of the issues, but
Speaker 1: they leave off the number one issue in the country. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just jumping the gun. Perhaps they're doing a
Speaker 1: whole on it in two weeks time. But when the
Speaker 1: results is tumbleweeds on the biggest issue in the country,
Speaker 1: yet every other poll shows that the government is below
Speaker 1: water level, is it unfair to say that they knew
Speaker 1: which question to ask, or more importantly, not to ask
Speaker 1: because they thought they might see a different answer. Perfect
Speaker 1: example of that, of course, is the politics in and
Speaker 1: around Peter Dutton and the Coalition not wanting to keep
Speaker 1: to the twenty thirty climate targets that the Greens and
Speaker 1: Labor passed through the Parliament with the among others, the
Speaker 1: support of doormat Dave Pocock. It's not a surprise because
Speaker 1: they didn't stand for them at the last election. They
Speaker 1: didn't vote for them, asked after the election. But apparently
Speaker 1: it's a scandal that they won't be bound by the
Speaker 1: decisions of their political opponents. They could, in fact, if
Speaker 1: they had the numbers, choose to pass a different law.
Speaker 1: Of course, as you know, Pety Dutton very clear on why.
Speaker 1: While twenty fifty and net zero by twenty fifty is
Speaker 1: the exact target of the Labor Party and the Liberal
Speaker 1: Party and the National Party. The destination two twenty fifty
Speaker 1: is the debate. The alternative Prime Minister says, whatever the
Speaker 1: targets are for twenty thirty, Labor won't meet them. So
Speaker 1: let's not have the fake targets and let's not put
Speaker 1: one hand behind our back when we're trying to compete
Speaker 1: with the rest of the world, including China that, as
Speaker 1: you know, pollutes thirty times more than we do.
Speaker 6: And we're fully signed up to net zero by twenty fifty.
Speaker 6: But if you think it's a linear progression, they will
Speaker 6: cripple the economy. So I think we have a look
Speaker 6: at all of that information and if there are settings
Speaker 6: that we need to change, then we would change them
Speaker 6: if it means helping families with the cost of living
Speaker 6: crisis that labor has has created.
Speaker 1: And then of course the Prime Minister thought, oh great, awesome,
Speaker 1: this is this issue is like nine out of ten
Speaker 1: people agree with me. So let's go to the barricades
Speaker 1: and pretend that Uga Booger Australian version of.
Speaker 7: Donald Trump abandoning the targets, abandoning investment certainty, which will
Speaker 7: lead to less investment.
Speaker 1: Well, Funnily enough, the opinion poll done by the same
Speaker 1: people who wouldn't ask the question about cost of living
Speaker 1: was asked about the positions that are currently held by
Speaker 1: the existing government and the alternative government and guess but
Speaker 1: it shows It shows that Yes, the majority of Australians
Speaker 1: currently support the current position when it comes to the
Speaker 1: forty three percent energy target, but forty eight percent don't.
Speaker 1: Now what's interesting here is that what is assumed to
Speaker 1: be political death to even go near well isn't. Remember
Speaker 1: the same polls, same organization told us sixty forty that
Speaker 1: Yes was going to win because all of the money,
Speaker 1: all of the institutions, all of the big decision makers
Speaker 1: had made the decision. Well, this shows us that even
Speaker 1: before we get to an election, we're not sitting in
Speaker 1: a sixty forty situation. We're very close to fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: And here's the bit that's going to shake some boots
Speaker 1: for the Labor Party. Have a look at the number
Speaker 1: of people who are Labor voters who think that the
Speaker 1: government's position is the wrong one and Dutton's is the
Speaker 1: right one. It's thirty four percent of Labor voters. It's
Speaker 1: the best part of a third of all Labor voters
Speaker 1: agree with Peter Dutton's position that the current position of
Speaker 1: Albo is, in Goldilock's terms, too hot or too cold,
Speaker 1: depending on the metaphor. Obviously Coalition supporters by a huge number,
Speaker 1: but again important that thirty three percent are they potential
Speaker 1: Teal voters. Would you have a straight swap of Labor
Speaker 1: to liberal voters? Probably not, but there could be some
Speaker 1: churn there. Unsurprisingly, a quarter of Greens think that the
Speaker 1: current situation is too hot and we should be thinking
Speaker 1: twice about what we're doing with twenty thirty. But interestingly,
Speaker 1: minor parties and independence. Now this ideologically is difficult to
Speaker 1: read because this is everything from the Victorian Socialists to
Speaker 1: the Teals, to One Nation to Australian Party, but anyone
Speaker 1: who is apparently part of the double haters and I'll
Speaker 1: deal with that in a few weeks time. People who
Speaker 1: hate the two major parties. The majority of those people
Speaker 1: say that we're in the wrong place. And we're not
Speaker 1: in the wrong place because we are underdoing it. We're
Speaker 1: in the wrong place because we're overdoing it. Nothing to
Speaker 1: see here, of course. Now interestingly, another poll, and again
Speaker 1: we don't take them as gospel. We take them as
Speaker 1: just little litmus tests, a little sort of which way
Speaker 1: is the win going right? This one from the Sydney
Speaker 1: Morning Herald. Have look at the change in Australian politics
Speaker 1: since the last election. You see the next one. Guys
Speaker 1: Albo thinks that everything is the same politics as it
Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty two. Well, guess what's changed. Climate
Speaker 1: change is a serious, urgent problem. We should be taking
Speaker 1: action now, even if it involves significant costs and sacrifices.
Speaker 1: That was fifty one percent of people back in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, it's now forty one percent of people. Climate
Speaker 1: change is a gradual process, so we can deal with
Speaker 1: the problem gradually by taking small steps over time. Was
Speaker 1: twenty seven now thirty two percent. Until we are sure
Speaker 1: that climate change is a real problem, we should only
Speaker 1: consider action that has no significant cost. Has gone from
Speaker 1: twelve to eighteen percent. Fascinating to see how the politics
Speaker 1: is not what the politics was in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Exactly what we knew was the case that in that
Speaker 1: election they were able to put lipstick on the pig
Speaker 1: the people had always voted against by saying two hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five dollars on your power bills when we
Speaker 1: all know that can never happen and nobody's going to
Speaker 1: fall four the three hundred dollars or twenty five dollars
Speaker 1: a month in power bill credits for every mansion in
Speaker 1: the country and every one bedroom unit in the country.
Speaker 1: We know that that's just a distraction to get them
Speaker 1: through an election, so they can turn around and say,
Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty five and we lowered your power bill
Speaker 1: by three hundred dollars. Remember I told you take the
Speaker 1: power bill from May twenty twenty two, put it on
Speaker 1: your fridge. If it's cheaper than that number, and I
Speaker 1: mean real cheaper than that number, not this sort of
Speaker 1: garbage that they're playing with, but it's actually cheaper than that,
Speaker 1: then vote labor. But of course it's way up, which
Speaker 1: is probably the reason why you should think twice, because
Speaker 1: it's only going to keep going up as they push
Speaker 1: in their transition to get to the targets for twenty
Speaker 1: thirty that remember, are essentially meaningless because it is China
Speaker 1: that can continue to do whatever it wants until twenty thirty. Now.
Speaker 1: A couple of other shows have mentioned this tonight, but
Speaker 1: there's an interesting little pushback when it comes to the
Speaker 1: explosion of renewable energy projects, particularly in places like Victoria.
Speaker 1: Now we've told you about the people in and around
Speaker 1: Ballarat who've had enough of that process. Yet at the
Speaker 1: state election to many of them voted labor, so essentially
Speaker 1: no message was delivered to the Victorian government. Well, interestingly,
Speaker 1: the local CFA volunteers have turned around and said they
Speaker 1: are refusing to fight fires that have been caused by
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that is being put in place
Speaker 1: as part of the renewable energy revolution. The brigade has
Speaker 1: written a letter to the state government and it says
Speaker 1: they want an immediate halt of all current and proposed
Speaker 1: high voltage transmission lines and renewable energy infrastructure projects, and
Speaker 1: the demands of the government give genuine consideration to the
Speaker 1: concern and acknowledge the negative impacts for people and communities.
Speaker 1: Now this matters because one thing that absolutely can start
Speaker 1: a bush fire is if there's high winds and power
Speaker 1: lines start banging together. Remember that has been the exclusive
Speaker 1: reason as to why some bushfires that have killed people
Speaker 1: in Victoria have started. And more transhibit mission lines means
Speaker 1: potentially greater sources or threats. When it comes to fires,
Speaker 1: the people who would fight those fires are now turning
Speaker 1: around and saying, we're not going to fight those fires.
Speaker 1: We won't be doing so because you are putting us
Speaker 1: in a difficult position. You're putting us in a place
Speaker 1: where we have to fight fires because of what you
Speaker 1: are doing. When it comes to the high transmission lines
Speaker 1: now to the United States, as we know, crime in
Speaker 1: the United States worth talking about because despite the fact
Speaker 1: the FBI says that it is starting to taper off,
Speaker 1: the reality is compared to where it was a few
Speaker 1: years even earlier than that. There's a great sense of
Speaker 1: crime being a massive problem in the US and great
Speaker 1: cities like Los Angeles that I love very much. I
Speaker 1: love going to LA, but it's not what it used
Speaker 1: to be. Pretty dank and pretty dirty. Well, how's this
Speaker 1: for a story. A Secret Service agent who was there
Speaker 1: in part to guard Joe Biden when he was in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles for the big fundraiser a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: Guess what robbed at gunpoint? Roll of tape.
Speaker 8: A secret agent who was here for President Biden's visit
Speaker 8: to LA was robbed at gunpoint on Saturday. Official say
Speaker 8: the agent had just finished work when the armed robbery
Speaker 8: occurred and a testin neighborhood. The agent ended up firing
Speaker 8: their gun. The saaspact or suspects got away, but this
Speaker 8: surveillance footage you see it here, got a shot of
Speaker 8: their Silver Infinity. Police say the agent's bag was stolen,
Speaker 8: but some belongings have now been recovered.
Speaker 1: Of course, it was there in Los Angeles for the
Speaker 1: giant fundraiser, all sorts of celebrities like George Clooney and
Speaker 1: George Clooney and a whole bunch of other ones that
Speaker 1: were there. Julia Roberts, Jack Black, thank you to the
Speaker 1: people who way you appreciate it well. A story that
Speaker 1: popped up today on the Daily Mail's website is their
Speaker 1: federal political editor. Now, yes, they used to work for
Speaker 1: bright Bart. This will be written nup as a reason
Speaker 1: why to ignore the story, but big bold and exclusive
Speaker 1: headline that they had today the secret Democratic plot to
Speaker 1: replace Biden. Dailymail dot com has learned that if Joe
Speaker 1: Biden stumbles when it comes to the debate coming up
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, you'll see it here on
Speaker 1: Sky News that if his polling numbers keep following, then
Speaker 1: it will take a united front of liberal grandees to
Speaker 1: make Joe throw in the towel. Who are they talking about?
Speaker 1: They would say that they would be a face to
Speaker 1: face meeting with Joe Biden and Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer.
Speaker 1: They would all have to go in and tell him, sorry, Boss,
Speaker 1: time to pull out. But of course the White House says,
Speaker 1: no problem to see here because he's playing mental chess.
Speaker 4: But the president is playing chess and the former president
Speaker 4: at fasta is playing like hungry, hungry hippo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I think the chess is being played by
Speaker 1: somebody else. Tiddley Weeks might be probably what Biden's getting
Speaker 1: involved in. Quick break back with more lots of talk
Speaker 1: about Joe Hildebrand and Senator Holly Hughes. We know you
Speaker 1: love when they agree all of the time, and they
Speaker 1: will agree all of the time straight after the break,
Speaker 1: including about Albo failing surprise, surprise to stand up to China.
Speaker 1: That and a whole lot more. Love to know what
Speaker 1: Holly thinks of Matt Kaine. We're in a second, Thanks
Speaker 1: very much for watching. She should be in the man cap,
Speaker 1: but there's other things to do. Why Holly Hughes is
Speaker 1: currently joining us now, I think from Melbourne. How are
Speaker 1: your Rockster.
Speaker 7: I'm in Melbourne, thank you very much, miss you. I
Speaker 7: wore the velvet so I could be close to the
Speaker 7: man cave.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And he's taking a couple of minutes out
Speaker 1: from well, not just advising the Prime Minister informally, not
Speaker 1: just doing a great podcast with the good people at over,
Speaker 1: not just writing for the Daily Telegraph or appearing here
Speaker 1: at Sky News, but more importantly Candy Crush, he's none
Speaker 1: of them. The wonderful joke, thank.
Speaker 4: You, thank you very much. And no I wore this
Speaker 4: kerchief just to sit on my respect for you, Paul.
Speaker 9: I know how much thank you dressed ug for me.
Speaker 4: I did, Holly.
Speaker 10: And I love the fact that these days now, when
Speaker 10: someone asks you how you are, it's efficient to say
Speaker 10: I'm in Melbourne.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's get to this politicians.
Speaker 9: It's how it works.
Speaker 1: Third pay rise in a turn, third pay rise. Now,
Speaker 1: Chris Bins, who could well and truly give plenty of
Speaker 1: advice to the Prime Minister about how to do things,
Speaker 1: he's turned around and said wage freeze in New South Wales. Right,
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't Albot come out and do exactly the same thing, Joe.
Speaker 1: The third pay rise this.
Speaker 4: Term, I honestly do not know.
Speaker 10: I'm sure we're going to hear plenty of statements saying
Speaker 10: this is a matter for the Remuneration Time Authority.
Speaker 4: I don't know how New South Wales managed to do it.
Speaker 10: I actually was just at a New South Wales government
Speaker 10: function where the state budget was handed down and this
Speaker 10: was one of the measures that. You know, while it
Speaker 10: doesn't necessarily save a huge amount of money in real dollars,
Speaker 10: the message it sends is absolutely invaluable, which is that
Speaker 10: we're not asking anyone else to make sacrifices until we
Speaker 10: make them first, and that that is just laid down
Speaker 10: you know, politics one oh one, So don't I don't
Speaker 10: know why there wouldn't be some kind of wage freeze federally.
Speaker 1: Now, Holly, you're in the ultimate position here to be
Speaker 1: able to tell us all to get stuff. Who cares?
Speaker 1: We deserve more money than ever before because you have
Speaker 1: such freedom now to be able to say such things.
Speaker 1: But do you not think that the problem?
Speaker 9: I do?
Speaker 7: I do have freedom third pay rise in a term.
Speaker 1: Surely they can turn around and say, okay, not this.
Speaker 7: Top You know what though, I mean, the focus is
Speaker 7: going to be on federal parliamentarians who are still getting
Speaker 7: paid at less than a quarter of what secretaries of
Speaker 7: departments are being paid. And I actually think there is
Speaker 7: a massive disconnect because any minister of a government that
Speaker 7: is well, you know, in the old days ministers obviously
Speaker 7: with Andrew Giles. Now that doesn't happen, but ministers used
Speaker 7: to be accountable.
Speaker 9: For what occurred.
Speaker 7: And the department heads are receiving now over a million
Speaker 7: dollars a year, which is nothing what the ministers are
Speaker 7: being paid. Yet the ministers are the one who technolog
Speaker 7: should lose their job if everything goes pear shaped. But
Speaker 7: the other thing I'd just like to point out, and
Speaker 7: there is a misconception still in the Australian you do not.
Speaker 1: Have super forever that ended in two thousand and four.
Speaker 9: We do not.
Speaker 7: There is no such thing as a parliamentary pension anymore.
Speaker 7: I mean people have even said to me since the
Speaker 7: pre selection, all at least you get the pension.
Speaker 9: No I do not.
Speaker 7: When I leave in a year's time, there is nothing,
Speaker 7: thank you very much, pat on the ass, see you later.
Speaker 7: So there is no pension there anymore. But look even
Speaker 7: Amy Ramichez wrote in The Guardian saying that the lack
Speaker 7: of the sort of pension for parliamentarians is a problem
Speaker 7: because why wouldn't parliamentarians spend their last year, the last
Speaker 7: few months whatever, sorting up their next gig, which brings
Speaker 7: us to still got school fees, they've still got a mortgage.
Speaker 7: But they're great community people, they're great volunteers, they're great
Speaker 7: leaders of their community. But instead of them being able
Speaker 7: to go and use those skills, they're forced to look
Speaker 7: for employment. I mean, Scott Morrison is the first Prime
Speaker 7: Minister to leave with no pension whatsoever. And I personally
Speaker 7: think it's disgraceful that we throw a prime minister of
Speaker 7: this country out with nothing, no support. Now, this is
Speaker 7: not something that Albaneze would face, and it's not something
Speaker 7: that Dutton would face, because both of them were elected
Speaker 7: four two thousand and four when it just got rid
Speaker 7: of But we now have a former Prime minister who
Speaker 7: has no staff, no office, no nothing. And I actually
Speaker 7: think that's embarrassing for us as a country.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get to the mat keen of
Speaker 1: it all. So look, I say, you don't let the
Speaker 1: door hit you blah, blah blah ah, I don't care, right,
Speaker 1: good luck. But in his announcement today and I think
Speaker 1: it was time to be underneath the cover of the
Speaker 1: budget and all the rest of it was the actual detail,
Speaker 1: which was, Yep, I'm pulling the pin. Who cares, that's politics,
Speaker 1: But I'm going off to work in the very sector
Speaker 1: that I used to regulate. So he stopped the second
Speaker 1: version of the retirement story, which is where's he going
Speaker 1: to pop up? Now? Again, this is all above board.
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting corruption all the rest of it for
Speaker 1: those that are looking to slay a dragon on his behalf.
Speaker 1: But to me and maybe it, it's into the pension system,
Speaker 1: which is, if you've got a scenario where your parliamentary
Speaker 1: career is going to be about ten years and you
Speaker 1: end up being in a ministry that ends up helping
Speaker 1: a lot of other people grow their businesses or change
Speaker 1: their business well, isn't that the retirement plan? And while
Speaker 1: again it is not corrupt, the perception of oddity I
Speaker 1: think builds with all of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a couple of things.
Speaker 10: One is, I suppose you know you don't want someone
Speaker 10: someone who knows a lot about a particular area could
Speaker 10: be an invaluable asset in the non government sector and
Speaker 10: in the private sector.
Speaker 1: You know, if I certainly know how to apply for
Speaker 1: the government, that's right.
Speaker 10: So lining their own pockets so they can so they
Speaker 10: can get in the door of the next Defense Minister
Speaker 10: or the next whoever it is, or the next energy minister,
Speaker 10: or whether or not they're actually providing, you know, so
Speaker 10: what should be valuable into the record.
Speaker 1: His expertise is is an accountant, that's right, but by
Speaker 1: trade he's an mechanical career.
Speaker 10: I think it was to his credit. I think that
Speaker 10: he said this is clearly what I'm going to do.
Speaker 10: He then has to go and seek the approval of
Speaker 10: the Parliamentary Ethics Committee or some such that will say
Speaker 10: yay or nay, you can do this. I thought what
Speaker 10: was a bit unbecoming is that he did it when
Speaker 10: his successor, his treasurer, was handing down the budget.
Speaker 4: It was obviously an.
Speaker 10: Attention seeking device to sort of detract from that. And
Speaker 10: I thought it was a bloody good budget too. I
Speaker 10: have to say, of course, you stop and stop five
Speaker 10: billion dollars going social that's amazing, that's amazing. But but yeah,
Speaker 10: I thought that was a bit unbecoming, and you know,
Speaker 10: politicians don't have many friends outside of politics, offered. I
Speaker 10: think you know when you when you're actually going out
Speaker 10: and it's the time when you know, Sam and Ralph,
Speaker 10: the sheep dog and the wolf can just sort of
Speaker 10: shake hands and call it a day.
Speaker 4: I don't know why you.
Speaker 11: Holy you use the Liberal Party the better for me, So, honey,
Speaker 11: there are lots of us with friends outside of politics,
Speaker 11: and a lot of us were smart enough to keep
Speaker 11: our friends outside of politics very sick from politics, because
Speaker 11: you know, it's.
Speaker 7: Always important to have a touch with the real world,
Speaker 7: but know that your whole world is not.
Speaker 9: Going to be this.
Speaker 7: So I would like to say I have very dear
Speaker 7: friends outside of politics and always have had.
Speaker 9: So you know, let's talk about Matt. That's a big cruel.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Matt. Change the Liberal Party for the
Speaker 1: better mate.
Speaker 7: Yeah, probbs not in my view, but that's because I
Speaker 7: have a very different view of perspective from him when
Speaker 7: it comes to energy and the security of energy and
Speaker 7: how we need to work going forward. I have to say, though,
Speaker 7: I've spent the last two days in a menopause inquiry,
Speaker 7: so I'm actually not up speed on what the new
Speaker 7: South Wales budget was today because I have been neck
Speaker 7: date in Menopause inquiry.
Speaker 4: That case, take my word, Harry was fantastic.
Speaker 9: Mate. I will follow up tomorrow when I.
Speaker 1: Get to verify that information, I.
Speaker 9: Will double check that. But I do appreciate your input, Joe.
Speaker 4: I'm friends with you.
Speaker 7: Mack was only a week ago saying he wasn't interested
Speaker 7: in moved to federal politics after he was touted as
Speaker 7: maybe wanting to knock off Paul Fletcher. I mean, who
Speaker 7: knows in this game, but I certainly read a statement
Speaker 7: that he put out and it seemed to me that
Speaker 7: he already had something lined up in the energy sector.
Speaker 7: Reading maybe between the lines, but certainly what he put out.
Speaker 9: I don't know how state parliament.
Speaker 7: Works, but I do think there's a period of time
Speaker 7: that you have to wait from when you were a
Speaker 7: minister in a particular area before you can go and
Speaker 7: work in that area.
Speaker 9: And maybe he's done that time. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, perhaps he wants to take a term off to
Speaker 1: come back as a deal. Who knows, but we'll all
Speaker 1: wait and see, because I've got a feeling we'll hear
Speaker 1: from him from a long time, and no doubt he'll
Speaker 1: warp into one of the many former politicians that we've
Speaker 1: been critical of who will all unite in their one
Speaker 1: true hatred, which is us. More than a second year
Speaker 1: on Paul Murray Live, plenty to talk about, including that
Speaker 1: data that shows that we aren't back in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two election when it comes to climate change. In fact,
Speaker 1: it's close to fifty to fifty about whether we keep
Speaker 1: pushing the way the left wants us to or it's
Speaker 1: time to pull up. Thanks for watching. Holly is in
Speaker 1: Melbourne and in the man Cave right now, is other
Speaker 1: than the lovely Joe Hildebrand. So let's get to two.
Speaker 1: The politics that is turning around the twenty thirty emissions
Speaker 1: targets now. When we all read the trumped up stuff
Speaker 1: last week, and remember we went on that journey from
Speaker 1: the interview in The Australian to the spin, what was
Speaker 1: really going on. My first instincts, I won't lie, was
Speaker 1: to go hang on the politics. What we're is this right,
Speaker 1: But of course it's never You're never fighting one election forever, right,
Speaker 1: Like clearly Scott Morrison was not fighting the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two or the twenty nineteen election in twenty two, and
Speaker 1: conversely Elbow will not be fighting the twenty two election
Speaker 1: in twenty four or twenty five. But he thinks that
Speaker 1: he did. Why because it's like all politicians, the last
Speaker 1: one that he won and I've still got the special collection.
Speaker 1: But even when the Guardian polling shows you that it's
Speaker 1: fifty two forty eight. As whether we should keep to
Speaker 1: forty three percent and the twenty thirty target of Labor
Speaker 1: and the Greens or whether we go with the Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton model, that is a change in the politics, the
Speaker 1: romantic trains in the politics. So Joe, I think for
Speaker 1: those that are advocating for the Prime Minister's position on this,
Speaker 1: and we went through up and down and a hell
Speaker 1: and high water and all the rest of it, right,
Speaker 1: is that as soon as cost gets involved, people's opinion changes,
Speaker 1: absolutely correct. That's where we are now, right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 10: And that even came up when we were doing the
Speaker 10: net zero series at news Court, which I was very
Speaker 10: privileged to play a leading role in. We conducted, we commission,
Speaker 10: our own po asked that very question and everyone believed
Speaker 10: in action on climate change until there was a cost
Speaker 10: to it, and the high that cost got, the fewer
Speaker 10: and fewer people seem to rate it as a sort
Speaker 10: of must do protest area. And that was before the
Speaker 10: cost of living stuff was really biting. Now and again,
Speaker 10: you compared it to the Voice in your opening monologue
Speaker 10: that you can see notwithstanding they're just the shambles that
Speaker 10: was the Voice official campaign.
Speaker 1: There's a correlation, don't you.
Speaker 10: But as the cost of living started to buy it
Speaker 10: and interest rates went up and up and up and
Speaker 10: up and up, support for the voices this sort of abstract, distant, big,
Speaker 10: sort of grand national gesture or whatever. It goes down, down, down, down,
Speaker 10: down out so and it is so simple. It's not
Speaker 10: rocket science. Everyone knows it. Holly knows it. People will
Speaker 10: say they want action, people can afford to think about
Speaker 10: big picture stuff, big nation building stuff, vision stuff, long
Speaker 10: term stuff, abstract stuff. They'll support it till the cows
Speaker 10: come home, when they don't have to worry about things
Speaker 10: that are happening in the here and now.
Speaker 4: As soon as there are.
Speaker 10: Real pressures to your household, to education costs, putting food
Speaker 10: on the table, everything else goes out the window.
Speaker 1: And that's where we are now guys in the control
Speaker 1: and if we can bring back that image, and I
Speaker 1: showed during the editorial that showed the change in things
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three. While Holly's
Speaker 1: talking to here, it does mean that that in a
Speaker 1: trend line, things are starting to move back to the
Speaker 1: position that Peter Dutton is saying here, and I think
Speaker 1: rightly so, which is we agree on the destination at
Speaker 1: Zerra twenty fifty. I'll see you there. You can go
Speaker 1: your way. I'm going to go my way. His bet
Speaker 1: is that nuclear at some point supercharges to that goal.
Speaker 1: That's his bet. It's not the Greens and Labor. But
Speaker 1: I tell you what my instinctive feeling about the electorate
Speaker 1: is that while many of the loud voices are still
Speaker 1: in there for the teals and on Channel two, the
Speaker 1: people in the middle are going mate. Sorry, I know
Speaker 1: it's important, but get back to me in a couple
Speaker 1: of years time, and trying to pay off my house,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 7: But this is the same, you know, for those who've
Speaker 7: been around politics for a really long time and followed
Speaker 7: it closely for a really long time, this is the cycle,
Speaker 7: and the cycle has always been put the coalition government in,
Speaker 7: they get the budget back under control, economic conditions back
Speaker 7: under control. People start to be feeling very comfortable. Their
Speaker 7: life is going well, they can afford what they need
Speaker 7: to afford. Everything's you know, hunky dory in their lives,
Speaker 7: so they can start to think about the big issues.
Speaker 7: And you know, we've had the doctors' wives, we've had
Speaker 7: all the different types of different ways of putting it,
Speaker 7: but at the end of the day, it's always been
Speaker 7: the same sort of political cycle that when everything's going well,
Speaker 7: and to Joe's point, people like to think about the
Speaker 7: big issues. But when they can't put food on the table,
Speaker 7: when they can't pay their energy bills, when their mortgage
Speaker 7: is out of control, or they can't find a rental,
Speaker 7: then all of a sudden, it becomes a little bit
Speaker 7: about more me and what my family's experiencing, not what
Speaker 7: I need to do for the greater good. And you know,
Speaker 7: I think this is where we're seeing climate change. Was
Speaker 7: that everyone was like, oh, climate change, Absolutely, we're all
Speaker 7: in favor of supporting things that are going to reduce emissions,
Speaker 7: that are all going to make the world a better place.
Speaker 7: When the reality is where one point three percent of
Speaker 7: global emissions. China is outstripping us almost weekly on what
Speaker 7: they're contributing to them, yet they're excluded from Paris as
Speaker 7: are developing nation. People are starting to wise up to
Speaker 7: this sort of rhetoric, but they're also seeing the costs
Speaker 7: that are being absolutely inflicted on them via this zealotry
Speaker 7: and ideology chasing by Chris Bowen. And they're starting to say,
Speaker 7: we can't afford this. My job's not secure, I can't
Speaker 7: afford to pay the rent or the mortgage, I can't
Speaker 7: put groceries on the table. Like this is getting out
Speaker 7: of control, and I think we're starting to see that.
Speaker 7: And as you said rightly at the beginning, people are
Speaker 7: interested in these sorts of issues when they can afford
Speaker 7: to be interested in them when they can't afford their basics.
Speaker 9: Sorry, not my problem.
Speaker 1: I always do love. By the way, were the channel
Speaker 1: on newspapers find in their polling what you had two
Speaker 1: years ago, I'm god, I do appreciate it. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Guys do appreciate it. Thank you, Joe, thank you, Holly.
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